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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: Dionysios on April 17, 2006, 10:44:53 PM

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Post by: Dionysios on April 17, 2006, 10:44:53 PM
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Post by: Condraz23 on April 18, 2006, 12:27:03 AM
Why not?

However, I don't think it'll be very active though since only 10% of all members here believe in a flat Earth.
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Post by: Erasmus on April 18, 2006, 12:53:38 AM
I certainly have no objection to the idea.  If it gives flat-Earthers a forum in which to expand upon their understanding of the flat-Earth, then maybe they can bring new ideas to a stagnating debate.

-Erasmus
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Post by: Dionysios on April 18, 2006, 12:57:16 AM
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Post by: Chaltier on April 18, 2006, 02:19:39 AM
As Dionysios stated already, I'm in full favour of the idea of an FE-only section here. The way I've envisioned it personally, there could be two rule possibilities, first one being that all members must believe the Earth is flat. Second being that all posts must be made under the assumption that the Earth is flat. The first being cautious about RE interference at all, the second being a bit more inclusive, hopefully without dramatically changing the content in the forum in question. Either way, I hope and trust that the moderators will choose wisely.

As for that little part about my moderating it, I've replied, and will do so here, as well. Such a position isn't something that should be requested nor pressed for, and is a gift bestowed upon those who the administration believes can best keep order as per the rules established. As such, I'll not be requesting the position, but were it to look me in the face, I wouldn't turn it away.


--Chal
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Post by: EnragedPenguin on April 18, 2006, 07:36:35 AM
I'm not opposed to the idea, but I agree with Dionysios that it should only be flat earthers who are allowed to post.
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Post by: Dionysios on April 18, 2006, 07:39:13 AM
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Post by: Dionysios on April 18, 2006, 07:43:06 AM
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Post by: Unimportant on April 18, 2006, 07:55:00 AM
You would be surprised how differently people will respond when you make a respectful suggestion, instead of self-righteous accusations.

A "No Criticism" forum would be fine. Could serve as a decent repository for FE ideas, instead of having to wade through the FAQ and old threads.
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Post by: Knight on April 18, 2006, 08:57:29 AM
I agree with "No Criticism" for a flat-earther forum in that I don't think they should be flamed by immature people.  Because of this, I can only agree that flat-earthers should have their own private forum (even though I'll always be wondering what they're talking about).
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Post by: Dionysios on April 18, 2006, 09:25:34 AM
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Post by: joffenz on April 18, 2006, 09:56:57 AM
Well as Dionysios has already said, I am in favour of this idea. I think it can only enhance the forums and since there is no apparent drawback to it, why not?
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Post by: Chaltier on April 18, 2006, 10:39:06 AM
Quote from: "Dionysios"
Chaltier and Enraged Penguin,

What are your opinions with reguard to the ability to view the posts?


Well, your suggestion seems reasonable, though I can see both sides of the argument. On the one hand, if a stream of flames starts up in the general forum about something said in the FE one, that acts as yet another deterrant to FEers wishing to participate in a civilized discussion here. On the other, a stream of flame threads starting about FE forum content relies heavily on the assumption that flamers would actually read the FE forum, and they're probably not the type of people who would do so.

In other words, I'm really not partial either way as to who can or cannot read posts made there, as both of the aforementioned positions seem reasonable to me.


--Chal
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Post by: Dionysios on April 18, 2006, 10:55:05 AM
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Post by: EnragedPenguin on April 18, 2006, 11:40:53 AM
If you guys don't have a problem with it being viewable by the public  then we could set it up like that. I don't think flamers in the regular sections will be a real problem.
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Post by: Erasmus on April 18, 2006, 01:43:36 PM
As it happens, the regular sections are already deluged with anti-FE flame.  I don't think a new FE-only section will increase that flaming significantly, so if the present level doesn't prevent diehard FEers from posting in their "haven" forum, then the level resulting from allowing the ignorant masses to observe but not interact shouldn't deter them either.

-Erasmus
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Post by: joffenz on April 18, 2006, 02:35:01 PM
Yeah, plus they don't actually have to listen to the rants in the regular forum ...
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Post by: Dionysios on April 18, 2006, 05:56:21 PM
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Post by: EnragedPenguin on April 18, 2006, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: "Dionysios"
Even if pspunit or Cinlef do not reply or even disagree, there is still a majority of moderators in favor (all of whom are non-flat earthers).  Well, Daniel man, what do you say?

- Dionysios


Actually Cinlef did say he was in favor of it in the moderator boards, so that just leaves pspunit.
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Post by: Dionysios on April 18, 2006, 09:25:10 PM
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Post by: Knight on April 18, 2006, 10:07:41 PM
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Since you have access to the moderator boards, and you indicated above you guys could set it up in the manner described, then do you speak for the forum when you say that? (aka - Is it approved?)


I don't know what aka really stands for.  *edit* (i.e. - Is it approved?)
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Post by: Chaltier on April 22, 2006, 03:07:09 AM
So, any updates on this idea, or has it gone the way of the dinosaur?


--Chal
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Post by: EnragedPenguin on April 22, 2006, 09:35:30 AM
Well Daniel has the final word on the matter. His post in the moderator boards indicates that he's in favor of the idea but I'm still waiting for the go-ahead.
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Post by: lizardogre on April 22, 2006, 09:36:49 AM
You guys having your own forum is a good idea, and i'd want to be able to see it, because even though I don't beleive in a flat Earth, I'd still like to learn more about it, because evntually, I could beleive in flat Earth.

Make your own forum and let us read it but not post in it, it's a good idea.
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Post by: Cinlef on April 22, 2006, 04:42:51 PM
Would it really be nessecary to p[rohibit all REs from posting in this section? I understand that the FEs are tired of the endless deluge of pointless RE flames repeating the same pointless easily debunked arguments in favour of an  Spherical Earth. Despite being an adamant Round Earther I must admit those people are beginning to wear on my nerves as well. However permitting the more reliable forum members, ie the regulars, would I think give us a place where the quality of disccussion would be significantly highers. No that I oppose an Fe only section, but still
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Post by: EnragedPenguin on April 22, 2006, 05:34:28 PM
Alright, the section is up. Chaltier, you are the moderator so it will be up to you to decide who is admitted and who isn't.

It's going to be hidden to the public until we get all the details worked out. And you guys also need to come up with a name for it (I named it "flat earthers only" temporarily).
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Post by: Knight on April 23, 2006, 12:38:49 AM
Quote from: "Cinlef"
Would it really be nessecary to p[rohibit all REs from posting in this section?


I know, I was thinking the same thing about this.  But they want a forum where only FEs can contribute to the discussions so we might as well give it to them.  You and I both know that Dionysios wouldn't want any REs debunking his mythical fantasy world.  So we'll have to be content with just being able to read what they write and debunking it on our own forums.  By the way, we are going to be able to read their forum, right?  After all, Dionysios did say this:

Quote from: "Dionysios"
What are your opinions with reguard to the ability to view the posts? It seems unnecessary to me to restrict others viewing. I was not thinking of that, nor asking for it. If flat earthers want any secret communications that other forum members would not see, they can simply do that already by means of e-mails outside of this forum and private messaging within it. No issues there.
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Post by: Cinlef on April 23, 2006, 02:49:48 PM
I think everyone will be able to see it althought their may be technical issues with that.
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Post by: Chaltier on April 23, 2006, 06:42:25 PM
Quote from: "EnragedPenguin"
Alright, the section is up. Chaltier, you are the moderator so it will be up to you to decide who is admitted and who isn't.

It's going to be hidden to the public until we get all the details worked out. And you guys also need to come up with a name for it (I named it "flat earthers only" temporarily).


Alrighty, thanks! I've never been a moderator before, but I'll do my best not to dissapoint the administration.

*starts putting together first post for the FE-only board*


--Chal
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Post by: Marshy on April 23, 2006, 07:13:04 PM
theres no need for a FE forum, the FAQ outlines the theory and all "evidence". true or not, i dont see the point of dividing th eFAQ into individual topics.
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Post by: Chaltier on April 23, 2006, 08:05:32 PM
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theres no need for a FE forum, the FAQ outlines the theory and all "evidence". true or not, i dont see the point of dividing th eFAQ into individual topics.


The FE forum isn't there for the purpose of dividing the FAQ into individual topics, it's there to discuss flat-Earth beliefs without RE interference, regardless of their existance in the FAQ.

As for the name of the forum, I think "Flat Earth Believers" would do fine, though it's open to suggestions, of course.

Also, with regard to who can see it/post in it, I've made an introductory post based on what appeared to be the current idea for the forum, stating therein that REers can see the forum but not post there. However, allowing the more established RE members to post wouldn't be horrible, so long as their posts are made to further the FE discussion (pro-RE arguments about the FE ideas to be made in the General area). And, as Cinlef already said, there could be technical difficulties I'm not aware of, prohibiting us from allowing viewers who cannot post. If this is the case, we'll have to think of something else, which will likely be the allowing of established members to join, but disallowing pro-RE posting.


--Chal
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Post by: Euclidean on April 23, 2006, 08:40:34 PM
When I came across this site it reminded me of the "lesbian chatroom senerio".
Lets say someone makes a lesibian chatroom where homosexual women can chat.
But what happens here is a bunch of guys get this "bright idea" that they will pretend to be women to engage in racy conversations.
As time goes by, horny men have taken over the population and they all become duped by their own joke, still thinking their in the lesbian chatroom.

Here we have a website for the FEers and the curious but instead its been overrun by REers who only want to mock the FE view and think there so clever by registering and preaching to the FE community on how moronic they are.

So I am very much for a FE only section. This should be a place where FEers can come together and the curious can understand FES.
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Post by: Chaltier on April 23, 2006, 08:45:35 PM
Quote from: "Euclidean"
When I came across this site it reminded me of the "lesbian chatroom senerio" [Rest cut for length.]


Hm, interesting analogy, though surprisingly accurate. :shock:


--Chal
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Post by: Marshy on April 24, 2006, 06:55:57 AM
Quote from: "Euclidean"
When I came across this site it reminded me of the "lesbian chatroom senerio".
Lets say someone makes a lesibian chatroom where homosexual women can chat.
But what happens here is a bunch of guys get this "bright idea" that they will pretend to be women to engage in racy conversations.
As time goes by, horny men have taken over the population and they all become duped by their own joke, still thinking their in the lesbian chatroom.

Here we have a website for the FEers and the curious but instead its been overrun by REers who only want to mock the FE view and think there so clever by registering and preaching to the FE community on how moronic they are.

So I am very much for a FE only section. This should be a place where FEers can come together and the curious can understand FES.


Wow. You are DEFINATELY not proving my stereotype that FE'rs believe it "to be different".
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Post by: Knight on April 24, 2006, 04:16:09 PM
Is the new category always going to block uninvited visitors?  Isn't it possible to allow anybody in, just not allow any REs to post?
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Post by: EnragedPenguin on April 24, 2006, 04:25:13 PM
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Is the new category always going to block uninvited visitors?  Isn't it possible to allow anybody in, just not allow any REs to post?


You should be able to see it already, try going to it again.
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Post by: Knight on April 24, 2006, 04:26:10 PM
Yeah it works now.
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Post by: EnragedPenguin on April 24, 2006, 04:28:50 PM
Ok good, you had me worried for a second there.
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Post by: pspunit on April 24, 2006, 07:22:18 PM
Quote from: "Euclidean"
When I came across this site it reminded me of the "lesbian chatroom senerio".
Lets say someone makes a lesibian chatroom where homosexual women can chat.
But what happens here is a bunch of guys get this "bright idea" that they will pretend to be women to engage in racy conversations.
As time goes by, horny men have taken over the population and they all become duped by their own joke, still thinking their in the lesbian chatroom.

Here we have a website for the FEers and the curious but instead its been overrun by REers who only want to mock the FE view and think there so clever by registering and preaching to the FE community on how moronic they are.

So I am very much for a FE only section. This should be a place where FEers can come together and the curious can understand FES.



It hasn't been overrun. How many insulting threads can you find outside of "Angry Ranting"? I personally count zero. The round-earthers here are generally here because they are curious, I'd say. Hell, maybe I'm wrong, but that's the vibe I'm getting. The trolls that do come around every so often are banned and their posts are deleted pretty quickly.
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Post by: Erasmus on April 25, 2006, 12:28:29 AM
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How many insulting threads can you find outside of "Angry Ranting"? I personally count zero.


True, though to be honest, I have often moved threads that are naught but mindless insults into that forum, whose description contains something like "Mindless insults here please."  I would guess that other mods do so as well.

-Erasmus
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Post by: Marshy on April 26, 2006, 04:48:54 AM
I think there should be a Round Earth forum too, to discuss evidence for the round earth, to keep this discussion balanced.
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Post by: Chaltier on April 26, 2006, 10:15:46 AM
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I think there should be a Round Earth forum too, to discuss evidence for the round earth, to keep this discussion balanced.


I thought of suggesting that, but then quickly realized how foolish it'd be. Most of the internet is pro-RE, and there are plenty of places to discuss it besides the Flat Earth Society.


--Chal
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Post by: lizardogre on April 26, 2006, 10:42:11 AM
If you let me post in there, I have actually had quite alot of ideas to prove that the Earth is flat (I'm still a round alearther though), and I wouldn't even talk about Round Earth there, though I'm not a very good member yet (only joined a week ago).
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Post by: Erasmus on April 26, 2006, 01:07:37 PM
Quote from: "Chaltier"
Most of the internet is pro-RE,


Not the least example of which is this forum.

-Erasmus
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Post by: Chaltier on April 26, 2006, 05:53:16 PM
Quote from: "lizardogre"
If you let me post in there, I have actually had quite alot of ideas to prove that the Earth is flat (I'm still a round alearther though), and I wouldn't even talk about Round Earth there, though I'm not a very good member yet (only joined a week ago).


Well, I'm currently thinking of opening the forum to some REers, so long as they post within the rules defined therein. I've asked for feedback on the idea on the mod forum, so I'm waiting to hear what the others think before doing this. If this is changed, I'd expect the admission requirements to be something along the lines of:

I: Must have participated in ~x number of debates in which you have argued pro-FE (mock arguments don't count).

II: Must agree to post within the rules of the believers' forum. All posts that break the rules will be deleted.

III: Must apply to the board moderator(s) and be approved. Even if conditions I and II are met, you may be turned down if the moderator(s) has doubts about your ability to follow to the rules of the believers' forum.

(Flat Earth believers may have any or all of these requirements waived at the discretion of the moderator(s). Any or all of these are, naturally, subject to waiving for any board member by the administration.)

It's a bit lonely with only three members (one of whom rarely posts, another who's on holiday, and myself), so I'm hoping to get some such thing working soon. Any ideas for additional conditions or alterations to them would be nice, also. Speaking of which, Unimportant, check your PM box when you get the chance.

Quote from: "Erasmus"
Quote from: "Chaltier"
Most of the internet is pro-RE,



Not the least example of which is this forum.


Too true. :shock:


--Chal
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Post by: Chaltier on April 27, 2006, 01:42:26 AM
Okies, well, with no responses from either forum, I'll go ahead and change that.

Any REer who's shown reason and fairness, has debated pro-FE at least once, and wishes to take part in the new forum, PM me.

And with that, perhaps this thing'll get off the ground. :)


--Chal