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Title: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: sketipical physics on August 02, 2007, 06:06:45 AM
Through not considered science Math has proven Einsteins theory.

The General Theory of Relativity was originally derived from Mathematical theories!  Einstein used mathematical derivation to come up with the General Theory of Relativity.  He took something he knew and learned something new.  He's hailed for his great contributions to Math as well as Physics because of his work in Tensor Calculus.

I've done the proofs and derived the equations (with obvious help from a professor, I'm still an undergrad) I saw the proof first hand the evidence to support it.

This stuff just didn't come out of nowhere, it came from what we already knew.  Grounded in Math, Physics takes those principles and applies them to the real world.
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: andrews on August 02, 2007, 07:04:37 AM
Through not considered science Math has proven Einsteins theory.

The General Theory of Relativity was originally derived from Mathematical theories!  Einstein used mathematical derivation to come up with the General Theory of Relativity.  He took something he knew and learned something new.  He's hailed for his great contributions to Math as well as Physics because of his work in Tensor Calculus.

I've done the proofs and derived the equations (with obvious help from a professor, I'm still an undergrad) I saw the proof first hand the evidence to support it.

This stuff just didn't come out of nowhere, it came from what we already knew.  Grounded in Math, Physics takes those principles and applies them to the real world.

I think the conspiracy is feeding us the math. I mean, at least in Canada, most math research is funded by the government (NSERC).
*Sarcasm*
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: sketipical physics on August 02, 2007, 10:54:53 AM
the thing about math that' so definitive is that anyone can prove it;
you don't need millions of dollars to research, just some old books and a pen & paper
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: CommonCents on August 02, 2007, 11:14:47 AM
the thing about math that' so definitive is that anyone can prove it;
you don't need millions of dollars to research, just some old books and a pen & paper

They say they use the same math under the assumption of a flat Earth and come up with their results.
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: sketipical physics on August 02, 2007, 11:24:22 AM
the math I'm talking about describes how a body is space and affect the space itself, namely tensor calculus.

look up the Ricci tensor
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: CommonCents on August 02, 2007, 11:32:36 AM
My point is that math was written assuming all mass bends spacetime.  This cannot be proven, therefore the math cannot be proven correct in all cases.
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: sketipical physics on August 02, 2007, 12:04:29 PM
since we can't test to see if every piece of matter bends space time, we can't assume that all mass bends space time?
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on August 02, 2007, 12:05:22 PM
since we can't test to see if every piece of matter bends space time, we can't assume that all mass bends space time?

Wow, that's a very good point!
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: sketipical physics on August 02, 2007, 12:07:39 PM
but then again that's why its the General theory of relativity and not Law
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on August 02, 2007, 12:16:50 PM
Another excellent point!  It's just a theory, not a law! 

Are you on the FE side of the fence now?  ???
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: sketipical physics on August 02, 2007, 12:32:44 PM
Another excellent point!  It's just a theory, not a law! 

Are you on the FE side of the fence now?  ???

could be fun......
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: divito the truthist on August 02, 2007, 01:48:42 PM
Er, math doesn't know whether the Earth is flat by the way.
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: sketipical physics on August 02, 2007, 01:53:37 PM
yes it does, math knows lots of things; the life, universe and everything lol
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: divito the truthist on August 02, 2007, 01:57:22 PM
yes it does, math knows lots of things; the life, universe and everything lol

Alright, good luck with that.
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: sketipical physics on August 02, 2007, 01:58:17 PM
::pssst:: from Hitch Hiker's guide to the galaxy
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: divito the truthist on August 02, 2007, 01:59:58 PM
::pssst:: from Hitch Hiker's guide to the galaxy

Looked shitty, never watched it.
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: sketipical physics on August 02, 2007, 02:02:15 PM
people said the movie was in fact shitty, the books however are hilarious
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: divito the truthist on August 02, 2007, 02:05:10 PM
Sou ka?
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: sketipical physics on August 02, 2007, 02:07:34 PM
if you like British humor you'll enjoy 'em
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: CommonCents on August 02, 2007, 02:18:11 PM
::pssst:: from Hitch Hiker's guide to the galaxy

Looked shitty, never watched it.

You should definitely read the books if you like this site.
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: Midnight on August 02, 2007, 04:52:22 PM
Er, math doesn't know whether the Earth is flat by the way.

Yes because MATH is a sentient being.
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: divito the truthist on August 03, 2007, 01:49:06 AM
Er, math doesn't know whether the Earth is flat by the way.

Yes because MATH is a sentient being.

Clearly.
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: trig on August 03, 2007, 12:18:44 PM
My point is that math was written assuming all mass bends spacetime.  This cannot be proven, therefore the math cannot be proven correct in all cases.
It is important that we all understand what makes Maths different from Natural Sciences.

- Maths are not about the world we see, they are about the concepts we can express unambiguously.
- Maths are not subject to observation, experimentation or the scientific method. You do not accumulate evidence trying to get consensus around your hypothesis. You show unambiguous proof or you have essentially nothing.
- Most important, in Maths each field of study has its own axioms that are either proven to be internally consistent (no theorem can be proven both righat and wrong) or internally inconsistent (you can prove both a statement and its opposite) which is the death knell for that field, or is waiting for final proof of consistency. In some cases the impossibility of a proof of consistency has been reached.

In other words, if you define your field of study to be a flat disk, a sphere, a timeless point in a pin, an infinite void, or anything else, you still only have a set of axioms and some theorems that you derived from the axioms. Maths cannot prove or dis-prove anything in the real world.
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: CommonCents on August 03, 2007, 12:21:27 PM
Good for you?
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: sketipical physics on August 03, 2007, 07:16:28 PM
My point is that math was written assuming all mass bends spacetime.  This cannot be proven, therefore the math cannot be proven correct in all cases.
It is important that we all understand what makes Maths different from Natural Sciences.

- Maths are not about the world we see, they are about the concepts we can express unambiguously.
- Maths are not subject to observation, experimentation or the scientific method. You do not accumulate evidence trying to get consensus around your hypothesis. You show unambiguous proof or you have essentially nothing.
- Most important, in Maths each field of study has its own axioms that are either proven to be internally consistent (no theorem can be proven both righat and wrong) or internally inconsistent (you can prove both a statement and its opposite) which is the death knell for that field, or is waiting for final proof of consistency. In some cases the impossibility of a proof of consistency has been reached.

In other words, if you define your field of study to be a flat disk, a sphere, a timeless point in a pin, an infinite void, or anything else, you still only have a set of axioms and some theorems that you derived from the axioms. Maths cannot prove or dis-prove anything in the real world.

yes, math is not about the world we see!  math helps us to understand the world that we see!  Purely mathematical principles led to many of the advances in modern physics.  Math refuses to be confined to one field or subject area which makes it such a unique subject.  Math proves things in a mathematical world and can only prove or disprove new theorem s or axioms in mathematics.  Much of the physical world is dictated by math BUT is not limited to the mathematical world .  Math is infallible, if the real world displays something different than the math predicts then either we don't know everything about the physical world or the math needs to be adjusted   
Title: Re: Math knows whether or not the Earth is Flat
Post by: CommonCents on August 03, 2007, 07:49:14 PM
So then...I'm right