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Title: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on March 23, 2007, 03:54:25 PM
1: Person A can have his home leveled parrallel to the earth
2: Person A's neighbor can level his home using the same vector
3: There exists a person in France
4: There exists a person in Romania
5: There exists an urban path between the person in France and the person in Romania
6: Each building on this path can be leveled using its neighbors vector
7: Therefore the path between France and Romania is flat
8: If the earth is round its curvature would be noticeable from France to Romania
9: Therefore the world is not round, but is flat at least where an urban path exists
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Wiru on March 24, 2007, 01:19:15 PM
Can level his home using the same vector.

It still doesn't mean that he does.

lol. sprung.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Curiosity on March 24, 2007, 01:28:41 PM
A vector works because the bubble rises to the point farthest from the ground because air naturally rises in relation to the ground in a denser substance (liquid).  If one side of the vector is closer to the ground, the bubble will go the other direction in the tube.  I cannot see how the vector example would prove the absence of curvature on the earth.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: inuyashakusho on March 24, 2007, 05:45:51 PM
You cannot actually do so with an absolutely perfect vector.  The curvature between two points so close is only an arc of something like 0.000000000000000001 degrees.  Therefore, it is close enough that even with the curvature, they well still work at parralell planes, simply because they are so close to paralell that it is within the vectors tollerance.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on March 24, 2007, 05:50:40 PM
I don't see how this proves FE when you cannot see Romania from France due to curvature.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Viva La Relativity on March 24, 2007, 11:11:13 PM
You can see that the Earth is curved if you stand on a cliff and look out at the ocean - it not flat, there's a definite curve to the horizon.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on March 25, 2007, 01:38:12 PM
I see I must dumb my proof down.. Commence dumbing:

1: The earth's curve is the total of all of its parts
2: If its parts do not add up to the sum of a complete circle, the earth is not round
3: It has been shown (see above) that there is no curve between france and romania
4: The earth is not round

You have to be an idiot to believe in a round earth...
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on March 25, 2007, 04:44:48 PM
I love all the people demanding proof of fe, then strategically avoiding this post.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on March 25, 2007, 04:45:56 PM
What equipment would be used to level these buildings?
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on March 25, 2007, 04:54:14 PM
Whatever clever device will extend a vector from your neighbors home to your own.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on March 25, 2007, 04:54:41 PM
I thought this has been done before? What did they use?
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on March 25, 2007, 04:57:57 PM
I have not extended a vector from france to romania, personally. Therefore this proof has no validity?
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on March 25, 2007, 05:00:15 PM
I didn't say you had...
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on March 25, 2007, 05:04:54 PM
<insert your point or counter-proof here>
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on March 25, 2007, 05:08:32 PM
This proof has no validity if nobody has done it, no...


If that's what you're asking me.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on March 25, 2007, 05:12:51 PM
This proof has no validity if nobody has done it, no...


If that's what you're asking me.

So your saying that I'm wrong because I have not performed the above mentioned procedure?
By your "logic":
Man cannot land on the mars, despite all our science, because we have not done it. Nevermind that we have centuries of science that demonstrate how we could do it, it just cannot be done.

You see Kasroa, a proof is used to show something is true without having to do it. I understand this may be a hard concept, so I suggest you step aside and take lead from those who understand this complicated stuff.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on March 25, 2007, 05:14:19 PM
You would think RE'ers would jump at the chance to disprove FE... Instead they just ignore the facts.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on March 25, 2007, 05:14:42 PM
Are you blind? Can you not read a few simpel words on a screen? I'll copy and paste it for you.

This proof has no validity if nobody has done it, no...
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on March 25, 2007, 05:15:28 PM
FE Theory would state that man cannot land on Mars. Way to go!
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on March 25, 2007, 05:19:04 PM
Are you blind? Can you not read a few simpel words on a screen? I'll copy and paste it for you.

Its true I cannot read a few simpel words. How do you spell simpel? That doesn't look right.. Ug, this spelling normally is so simpel but I can't figure it out.. I'll go prove the world is round instead.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on March 25, 2007, 05:20:16 PM
FE Theory would state that man cannot land on Mars. Way to go!

Im sorry I was dumbing it down for you. Dont you RE'ers aspire to land on mars? Next time I'll use simple shapes only to demonstrate my points.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on March 25, 2007, 05:21:18 PM
Yeah it's a pain when someone ignores your arguments isn't it? I mean like when people point out typos instead of "inserting counterpoint here".
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on March 25, 2007, 05:21:38 PM
Yeah it's a pain when someone ignores your arguments isn't it? I mean like when people point out typos instead of "inserting counterpoint here".

Read above pls.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on March 25, 2007, 05:23:43 PM
I'd rather you used good arguments and facts than simple shapes to be perfectly honest.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on March 25, 2007, 05:25:24 PM
If you have a problem with my proof, present it.
Otherwise, please stop diluting my proof with your rambling.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on March 25, 2007, 05:27:51 PM
My problem with your proof is that nobody has tried it so how does it proove anything?
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on March 25, 2007, 05:29:11 PM
Ug, are you serious? go play in the sandbox, we'll get you when we're done.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on March 25, 2007, 05:30:13 PM
Ug? Are you a cave-man?
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on March 25, 2007, 05:33:30 PM
OMG the world IS round!!!
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on March 25, 2007, 05:34:02 PM
Glad you finally saw sense.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on March 25, 2007, 05:36:07 PM
A vector works because the bubble rises to the point farthest from the ground because air naturally rises in relation to the ground in a denser substance (liquid).  If one side of the vector is closer to the ground, the bubble will go the other direction in the tube.  I cannot see how the vector example would prove the absence of curvature on the earth.

Vectors dont have bubbels
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on March 25, 2007, 05:36:45 PM
Can level his home using the same vector.

It still doesn't mean that he does.

lol. sprung.

But because he can, and the process is continuous, the induction holds.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on March 25, 2007, 05:40:57 PM
So far it's still an imaginary experiment. You don't know if a curve would be noticed or not until somebody carries this shit out. Even then the equipment would not be sensetive enough to measure the curve across the space of a few dozen metres.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on March 25, 2007, 05:51:54 PM
So far it's still an imaginary experiment. You don't know if a curve would be noticed or not until somebody carries this shit out. Even then the equipment would not be sensetive enough to measure the curve across the space of a few dozen metres.

The proof is there, the proof is solid, and you still find it wanting.

World is round.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: RAmenBrother on March 25, 2007, 06:44:08 PM
You're using circular logic to prove your point. Your "experiment" only makes sense if you know the world is flat, which you are trying to prove. The argument is a fallacy by the very definition of an argument, because your answer is also a variable in the equation.

Therefore, you cannot argue that the world is flat with your statement.

Being a Canadian, there's one thing I've learned about conservative Americans like yourself: you like your guns, tall buildings, and fast cars. I can provide strong indications of a round earth using these things.

For example, the CN tower in Canada is the world's largest freestanding structure. It's so tall in fact, that they had to plant lasers at the base of the tower when they were building it. Why, you ask? Well, due to the Coriolis effect, the farther away from the surface of the Earth you are, the faster you're rotating. In effect, if the construction workers built straight up without any references to the ground, the structure would corkscrew and be impossible to build totally straight. Ergo, the construction of tall buildings takes into account a round (and spinning) earth.

Now, guns. If you know any sniper specialists in the Army, they will back this up. When a sniper has to make a shot at extreme distances (over a mile), they cannot simply shoot straight at their target, due to wind and the arc of the bullet, obviously. However, they also need to take into account where on the Earth they are, so they can account for the rotation of the earth. If they do not, they cannot properly hit their target. Ergo, a round (and spinning) earth is a sniper's enemy, but one he has to contend with.

Cars are a little trickier, so I will use commercial airplanes. The proposed shape of the flat earth is like a dollar coin, with all the continents up top. Say a pilot wanted to get from Sydney Australia to Washington DC. In a flat earth, the most direct route will be roughly across the North Pole, but in reality they travel over the Pacific Ocean, which in a flat earth would equate to much more time and fuel wasted. I've seen this argument refuted in other posts as planes stopping at many cities along the way, but that's inapplicable here as there is nowhere to stop over the Pacific. And since commercial airliners like saving fuel, and money, they take the most direct route. So, pilots take a route that highly indicates a round earth, being the most efficient path.

One final morsel of food for thought is time zones. If you look on a map of the time zones, you will see they stretch from pole to pole. On a flat earth, they would need to all begin at true North and radiate outward like bicycle spokes. This analysis does not match the actual arrangement of the time zones, as then Australia and Africa would be one huge time zone, instead of several moderately sized ones, which they actually are.

I understand that a key tenet of Flat Earthers is a worldwide conspiracy to hide the true nature of the earth, in which case my argument, and by extension all others, are meaningless. In that case, do not quote vectors and angles and gradients without actually understanding the scientific method.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on March 25, 2007, 06:47:37 PM


For example, the CN tower in Canada is the world's largest freestanding structure. It's so tall in fact, that they had to plant lasers at the base of the tower when they were building it. Why, you ask? Well, due to the Coriolis effect, the farther away from the surface of the Earth you are, the faster you're rotating. In effect, if the construction workers built straight up without any references to the ground, the structure would corkscrew and be impossible to build totally straight. Ergo, the construction of tall buildings takes into account a round (and spinning) earth.

That's cool I didn't know they had to account for that when building skyscrapers.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: RAmenBrother on March 25, 2007, 06:58:29 PM
Yeah, I know. My grandpa used to be an architect, and they did the same thing with the World Trade Centres and underwater drilling platforms.

The thing I find most fascinating is snipers taking into account the rotation of the earth when making their shot. I find that incredible; I only heard of that recently.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Ammo on March 25, 2007, 11:34:54 PM
1: Person A can have his home leveled parrallel to the earth
2: Person A's neighbor can level his home using the same vector
3: There exists a person in France
4: There exists a person in Romania
5: There exists an urban path between the person in France and the person in Romania
6: Each building on this path can be leveled using its neighbors vector
7: Therefore the path between France and Romania is flat
8: If the earth is round its curvature would be noticeable from France to Romania
9: Therefore the world is not round, but is flat at least where an urban path exists

How is this any different than me saying:
1: Person A cannot have his home leveled parallel to the earth.
2: Person A's neighbor cannot level his home using the same vector.
3: There exists a person in France
4: There exists a person in Romania
5: There exists an urban path between the person in France and the person in Romania
6: So Each building on this path canot be leveled using its neighbors vector.
7: Therefore the path between France and Romania is curved.
8: If the earth is flat its flatness would be noticeable from France to Romania.
9: Therefore the world is not flat, but is round at least where an urban path exists.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: RAmenBrother on March 26, 2007, 04:58:01 AM
Exactly. He already states as fact what he sets out to prove, therefore his experiment is a fallacy.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Ammo on March 26, 2007, 10:03:21 AM
Exactly. He already states as fact what he sets out to prove, therefore his experiment is a fallacy.

Yeah, his first statement is already an assumption that the earth is flat. 

and btw, are you a Pastafarian?
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: RAmenBrother on March 26, 2007, 12:41:05 PM
Lol, you're the first person to ask me that. And yes I am.

May you be blessed by His noodly appendage for your consideration.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on March 26, 2007, 12:43:05 PM
hehe pastafarian
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: silverhammermba on March 26, 2007, 03:11:59 PM
One of my life-long dreams is to create a museum that's just one long, straight corridor. The entrance would be built perfectly tangent to the Earth and it would be constructed using lasers or whatnot to ensure its straightness. Basically, you'd go in and along the walls every now and then would be a simple level (the kind with the bubble inside) so that as you walk you could see how the corridor is becoming more and more "slanted" as it gets further away from the Earth. By the end you'd be standing on a slanted surface probably a good distance off the ground and you could look back and see the straight corridor you'd just walked down.

I know that it's not really a plausible construction, but it would be so sweet to witness the curvature firsthand.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on March 26, 2007, 03:15:23 PM
Didn't Lewis Carroll write about something like that in Sylvie and Bruno? Pretty sure he did. bah I need the book back now to look it up
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on March 26, 2007, 03:15:50 PM
It probably wouldn't have to be that long. The world's longest suspension bridges have to account for the curve and they are all less than 2 Km long.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on March 26, 2007, 05:40:44 PM
1: Person A can have his home leveled parrallel to the earth
2: Person A's neighbor can level his home using the same vector
3: There exists a person in France
4: There exists a person in Romania
5: There exists an urban path between the person in France and the person in Romania
6: Each building on this path can be leveled using its neighbors vector
7: Therefore the path between France and Romania is flat
8: If the earth is round its curvature would be noticeable from France to Romania
9: Therefore the world is not round, but is flat at least where an urban path exists

How is this any different than me saying:
1: Person A cannot have his home leveled parallel to the earth.
2: Person A's neighbor cannot level his home using the same vector.
3: There exists a person in France
4: There exists a person in Romania
5: There exists an urban path between the person in France and the person in Romania
6: So Each building on this path canot be leveled using its neighbors vector.
7: Therefore the path between France and Romania is curved.
8: If the earth is flat its flatness would be noticeable from France to Romania.
9: Therefore the world is not flat, but is round at least where an urban path exists.

Why are you just repeating my proof? I already said the world is flat. flat like your mom.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: RAmenBrother on March 26, 2007, 05:43:57 PM
Flat like my mom? What?

From now on, I'm keeping a token douchebag score for narcberry, and it'll be updated every time I see you post something worthless and/or retarded in the forum. So far you're at 2. Keep it up.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on March 26, 2007, 05:44:33 PM
Flat like my mom? What?

From now on, I'm keeping a token douchebag score for narcberry, and it'll be updated every time I see you post something worthless and/or retarded in the forum. So far you're at 2. Keep it up.

Brilliant! ;D
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Ammo on March 26, 2007, 06:47:08 PM

Why are you just repeating my proof? I already said the world is flat. flat like your mom.

I'm not just repeating your so called "proof".  Im asking you how is it any different than me saying the same thing but for Round Earth.

Not only that, but your "proof" is flawed.  You already assume what you  set out to prove in your first statement. 
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: RAmenBrother on March 26, 2007, 07:52:05 PM
Exactly. What a douchebag.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Christopher Columbo on March 26, 2007, 08:18:52 PM
Why are you just repeating my proof? I already said the world is flat. flat like your mom.

Your poof is about as good as when RE'ers provide a picture of a round earth.  I'm sorry you fail to spearhead real proof of a FE.  Please try again.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Tobias on March 27, 2007, 12:12:56 PM
Is there a simple experiment that can be done at home to prove the Earth is flat? (Dont say no but there isnt one for RE either, I think the earth is round, i want to know why i should think its flat) And no i dont want to look at the literature, it doesnt give me anything appropriate.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Ammo on March 27, 2007, 01:51:49 PM
And no i dont want to look at the literature, it doesnt give me anything appropriate.

Not to mention its 100 years old.  Before modern technology.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on March 28, 2007, 01:25:59 PM
Is there a simple experiment that can be done at home to prove the Earth is flat? (Dont say no but there isnt one for RE either, I think the earth is round, i want to know why i should think its flat) And no i dont want to look at the literature, it doesnt give me anything appropriate.

Contrary to the opinions of the morons above that do not understand the consequences of a proof, you can use my proof as the basis of your own home experimentation.

1: Look at your home floor
2: Notice it is flat, not curved
3: Realize that the earth consists of billions of flat surfaces, all parrallel to each other
4: Write a note to your parents, "Omg the world is flat, you liars"
5: Put the note on your table stand
6: Hang yourself for effect
QED, world is flat
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on March 28, 2007, 01:29:02 PM
How does my homosexuality affect the shape of the earth?

OMG it doesnt, read the proof and stay on topic please.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: CommonCents on March 28, 2007, 01:40:45 PM
Is there a simple experiment that can be done at home to prove the Earth is flat? (Dont say no but there isnt one for RE either, I think the earth is round, i want to know why i should think its flat) And no i dont want to look at the literature, it doesnt give me anything appropriate.

Contrary to the opinions of the morons above that do not understand the consequences of a proof, you can use my proof as the basis of your own home experimentation.

1: Look at your home floor
2: Notice it is flat, not curved
3: Realize that the earth consists of billions of flat surfaces, all parrallel to each other
4: Write a note to your parents, "Omg the world is flat, you liars"
5: Put the note on your table stand
6: Hang yourself for effect
QED, world is flat


And how do we know all these flat surfaces are parallel? I don't recall seeing anything that supports that statement other than saying the earth is flat so they must be parallel.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: GroundControl on March 28, 2007, 02:25:17 PM
Here's an experiment I propose to you:


-Go to a large, open, flat* area. Preferably one in which there is a fairly large upright structure. (For example, a slat flat with a nearby cliff or mountain. Or, a Prairie with a water tower.)
-Stand a great distance from the tall object, and set up a Tripod with a Laser-pointer on it.
-Point the Laser at the tall object, and level it with a vector.
-Measure the height of the tripod.
-Leaving the tripod as it is, go to the Tall object and measure the height at which the laser hits it. (If conditions are making the tripod unstable, have a friend keep track of it while you make the second measurement, or just do the experiment on a nicer day)
-Compare the measured heights, and how they relate to the accepted curvature of RE.
-Repeat the experiment at different distances, and at multiple locations.

If the world is flat, the measured altitudes will not differ by any significant value. (Margin of error and all that)

If the world is round, you will find that the altitude on the distant object will be consistently higher than that of the tripod, and that this difference increases with distance.

[If your numbers don't suggest anything either way, find a more accurate way of levelling the laser and try again]

I suggest that others try the same. Even if it doesn't change your position on anything, it's an excuse to go for a nice drive and spend some time outside with friends.

*I define 'flat' here to mean that all points on the field are measured as having the same altitude.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: CommonCents on March 28, 2007, 02:45:16 PM
But doesn't the government set up special lenses on lasers to make experiments like this work on the flat earth?
Hehe BS aside that's a very good experiment, I wonder how many will actually do it though.  I personally don't have access to a salt flat but maybe I could find a prairie.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: GroundControl on March 28, 2007, 02:47:54 PM
But doesn't the government set up special lenses on lasers to make experiments like this work on the flat earth?
Hehe BS aside that's a very good experiment, I wonder how many will actually do it though.  I personally don't have access to a salt flat but maybe I could find a prairie.  Thanks!
A very long Urban or sub-urban road may suffice as well, as long as you can verify its 'flat'ness, and have something to aim at.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Ammo on March 28, 2007, 03:43:23 PM
Is there a simple experiment that can be done at home to prove the Earth is flat? (Dont say no but there isnt one for RE either, I think the earth is round, i want to know why i should think its flat) And no i dont want to look at the literature, it doesnt give me anything appropriate.

Contrary to the opinions of the morons above that do not understand the consequences of a proof, you can use my proof as the basis of your own home experimentation.

1: Look at your home floor
2: Notice it is flat, not curved
3: Realize that the earth consists of billions of flat surfaces, all parrallel to each other
4: Write a note to your parents, "Omg the world is flat, you liars"
5: Put the note on your table stand
6: Hang yourself for effect
QED, world is flat

Wrong.
That is neither an experiment nor a proof.
Like I, and others said before, you are already assuming IN your proof what you set out to prove.  Thats like defining a word using the word you are trying to define.

Take out a graphing calculator.  Draw a curve.  Any curve will do.  Zoom in on a small area on that  curve 4-5 times.  It starts looking like a straight line.   The same thing hapens with the earth.  The earth is so massive and when you look out your window and look at a small portion of the earth (like you do when you zoom in on a line with your calculator) it appears flat.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on March 28, 2007, 04:17:17 PM
narcberry, I respect your opinion.  I think your proof can be disproven quite easily by the fact that you state as part of it "If the earth is round its curvature would be noticeable from France to Romania", and it is, because we can't see Romania from France, because of the curvature, but I think maybe if you try you can do better.

How about if you respond to my post?  There's nothing trollish about it, and I respectfully asked for FEers' opinions.  It's headed "How do FEers explain the horizon?"  So far, not a single FEer has stepped up to the challenge.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: DakaSha on March 28, 2007, 04:33:06 PM
I don't see how this proves FE when you cannot see Romania from France due to curvature.

LOL
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: DakaSha on March 28, 2007, 04:39:12 PM
Is there a simple experiment that can be done at home to prove the Earth is flat? (Dont say no but there isnt one for RE either, I think the earth is round, i want to know why i should think its flat) And no i dont want to look at the literature, it doesnt give me anything appropriate.

Contrary to the opinions of the morons above that do not understand the consequences of a proof, you can use my proof as the basis of your own home experimentation.

1: Look at your home floor
2: Notice it is flat, not curved
3: Realize that the earth consists of billions of flat surfaces, all parrallel to each other
4: Write a note to your parents, "Omg the world is flat, you liars"
5: Put the note on your table stand
6: Hang yourself for effect
QED, world is flat

1: Look at your home floor
2: Notice it is flat, not curved
3: Realize that the earth consists of billions of flat surfaces, all parrallel to each other
4: Realize that it is due to perspective
5: Eat some oatmeal
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Ammo on March 28, 2007, 05:03:33 PM
1: Look at your home floor
2: Notice it is flat, not curved


These statements have nothing to do with the earth.

My home floor is flat because my parents paid thousands of dollars for my house to be built that way.
Same goes for my apartment.  The architect that designed the building designed the floors to be flat because nobody wants a curved floor.

Have you ever seen a house being built?  The house is parallel with the ground because all of the earth is taken out from under the house for the foundation to be laid out.  The foundation is built and the earth is filled back in so that the house will be sturdy.  If the house was just built without this process the house would not be stable.  That is why it seems like all houses are parallel with the earth.  Not because the earth is flat, but because it is made that way to make the house stable.

Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on April 02, 2007, 10:09:35 AM
narcberry, I respect your opinion.  I think your proof can be disproven quite easily by the fact that you state as part of it "If the earth is round its curvature would be noticeable from France to Romania", and it is, because we can't see Romania from France, because of the curvature, but I think maybe if you try you can do better.

How about if you respond to my post?  There's nothing trollish about it, and I respectfully asked for FEers' opinions.  It's headed "How do FEers explain the horizon?"  So far, not a single FEer has stepped up to the challenge.


I wasnt intending to ignore your question. I have a simple answer that explains the horizon. I will post that in your topic, however.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on April 02, 2007, 10:22:11 AM
Is there a simple experiment that can be done at home to prove the Earth is flat? (Dont say no but there isnt one for RE either, I think the earth is round, i want to know why i should think its flat) And no i dont want to look at the literature, it doesnt give me anything appropriate.

Contrary to the opinions of the morons above that do not understand the consequences of a proof, you can use my proof as the basis of your own home experimentation.

1: Look at your home floor
2: Notice it is flat, not curved
3: Realize that the earth consists of billions of flat surfaces, all parrallel to each other
4: Write a note to your parents, "Omg the world is flat, you liars"
5: Put the note on your table stand
6: Hang yourself for effect
QED, world is flat

1: Look at your home floor
2: Notice it is flat, not curved
3: Realize that the earth consists of billions of flat surfaces, all parrallel to each other
4: Realize that it is due to perspective
5: Eat some oatmeal

...the best you guys can do?
why cant you just admit the proof to be flawless and concede that the earth is indeed, flat.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: leclerc on April 02, 2007, 10:45:34 AM
Because it isn't flat.The flat earth theory has so many errors.Wake up and open up your eyes.It's time to end your one thousand year sleep.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: silverhammermba on April 02, 2007, 11:56:32 AM
1: Look at your home floor
2: Notice it is flat, not curved
3: Realize that the earth consists of billions of flat surfaces, all parrallel to each other
4: Write a note to your parents, "Omg the world is flat, you liars"
5: Put the note on your table stand
6: Hang yourself for effect
QED, world is flat

Lol, I love this proof! "IF THE EARTH IS CURVED THEN MY KITCHEN FLOOR SHOULD BE AS WELL!"

Even assuming that the Earth is perfectly spherical (no hills, rivers, etc), a perfectly flat surface placed on the ground would have to be over 700 meters long in order for the ends to be just 1cm off the ground. Combine this with the fact that the Earth is a very bump sphere, us humans are very small, and it's far simpler to construct flat, square things than curved ones then you can see why we make our houses with flat floors.

And as to number 3 in your "proof", that is only true if you know that the Earth is flat already (as many other people have already stated), so your proof is a fallacy. It is essentially equivalent to me saying "2+3 = 6 therefore 2 = 3 therefore 2+3 = 6"
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Pablo the Incredible on April 02, 2007, 12:40:59 PM
1: Person A can have his home leveled parrallel to the earth
2: Person A's neighbor can level his home using the same vector
3: There exists a person in France
4: There exists a person in Romania
5: There exists an urban path between the person in France and the person in Romania
6: Each building on this path can be leveled using its neighbors vector
7: Therefore the path between France and Romania is flat
8: If the earth is round its curvature would be noticeable from France to Romania
9: Therefore the world is not round, but is flat at least where an urban path exists

Now all you have to do is perform this expiriment. If you just say that #6 is true, I could just say that hypothetically, the moon is cheese because if I say so, it must be true. Why? well it's quite simple really. The cheese in my refrigerator is white. The moon is white. Therefore, the moon is cheese.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on April 02, 2007, 12:44:01 PM
... a perfectly flat surface placed on the ground would have to be over 700 meters long in order for the ends to be just 1cm off the ground.

These numbers arent as impressive as you think. In fact, I think it clearly demonstrates how curved the RE'ers think the earth is, and how easily it can be shown to be flat.


2+3 = 6 therefore 2 = 3 therefore 2+3 = 6

no wonder you guys think the world is round.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Agent_0042 on April 02, 2007, 12:45:21 PM
The cheese in my refrigerator is white.

Ooh, what kind of cheese?
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Pablo the Incredible on April 02, 2007, 12:46:28 PM
Mozzerella
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on April 02, 2007, 12:52:30 PM
The cheese in my refrigerator is white.

Ooh, what kind of cheese?
Mozzerella

And RE'ers are saying FE is pointless.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: wgzero on April 02, 2007, 06:13:29 PM
back on topic, your kitchen floor is curved. Just the curve is ridiculously small (if your kitchen is five meters lengthwise, then a tile at one end is about 1 micrometer below a tile at the other, far, far, far too small to be noticed by eyes or even by precise instruments.

in addition, the houses in romania that were leveled with respect to the house in france would be slightly tilted. Indeed, the neighbor's house would be tilted, although by a mathematically insignificant number of degrees, incidentally also undetectable by a spirit level. People would start to notice roughly one-quarter the way to romania
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on April 02, 2007, 06:17:35 PM
back on topic, your kitchen floor is curved. Just the curve is ridiculously small (if your kitchen is five meters lengthwise, then a tile at one end is about 1 micrometer below a tile at the other, far, far, far too small to be noticed by eyes or even by precise instruments.

in addition, the houses in romania that were leveled with respect to the house in france would be slightly tilted. Indeed, the neighbor's house would be tilted, although by a mathematically insignificant number of degrees, incidentally also undetectable by a spirit level. People would start to notice roughly one-quarter the way to romania

Well thats the point, if the earth were round, then that would be true. But since the earth is flat, you can level your home in romania off a vector derived in france.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: wgzero on April 02, 2007, 06:51:20 PM
or, as i have just thought of, you could use doublethink and simultaneously believe that the earth is both round, flat, and any other shape that comes to mind, while at the same time disbelieving each. Likewise, you could believe that what you suggested is both possible and impossible, (whichever suits the matter at hand).
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: WhatShapeDidUSayEarthWas? on April 02, 2007, 07:37:59 PM
you don't notice a curve because the earth is so large, if you look at a tennis ball and a basketball then you would notice that the basketball's curve is much less significant which is what causes it's size, the earth is so immense that you don't notice the curve at all
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: femalescientist on April 02, 2007, 08:05:48 PM
1: Person A can have his home leveled parrallel to the earth
2: Person A's neighbor can level his home using the same vector
3: There exists a person in France
4: There exists a person in Romania
5: There exists an urban path between the person in France and the person in Romania
6: Each building on this path can be leveled using its neighbors vector
7: Therefore the path between France and Romania is flat
8: If the earth is round its curvature would be noticeable from France to Romania
9: Therefore the world is not round, but is flat at least where an urban path exists
I find this very funny!  You are using circular logic to explain a flat Earth!  How hilarious.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on April 02, 2007, 08:08:38 PM
1: Person A can have his home leveled parrallel to the earth
2: Person A's neighbor can level his home using the same vector
3: There exists a person in France
4: There exists a person in Romania
5: There exists an urban path between the person in France and the person in Romania
6: Each building on this path can be leveled using its neighbors vector
7: Therefore the path between France and Romania is flat
8: If the earth is round its curvature would be noticeable from France to Romania
9: Therefore the world is not round, but is flat at least where an urban path exists
I find this very funny!  You are using circular logic to explain a flat Earth!  How hilarious.

This is coming from a female scientist. Which of us is being hilarious?
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Gamma on April 02, 2007, 08:10:09 PM
Don't be so mean.  :-X
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Flat Earth Master Mint on April 03, 2007, 01:44:36 AM
1: Person A can have his home leveled parrallel to the earth
2: Person A's neighbor can level his home using the same vector
3: There exists a person in France
4: There exists a person in Romania
5: There exists an urban path between the person in France and the person in Romania
6: Each building on this path can be leveled using its neighbors vector
7: Therefore the path between France and Romania is flat
8: If the earth is round its curvature would be noticeable from France to Romania
9: Therefore the world is not round, but is flat at least where an urban path exists
I find this very funny!  You are using circular logic to explain a flat Earth!  How hilarious.

This is coming from a female scientist. Which of us is being hilarious?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

narc, I love you.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on April 03, 2007, 11:46:43 AM
Yet another vote for my proof. Can anyone find a leak yet?
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: sokarul on April 03, 2007, 11:50:17 AM
Umm looks like its saying you can use your neighbors house to level yours all the way to Romania.  You would then have to compaire the first and last houses.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on April 03, 2007, 11:54:48 AM
That is exactly what it is saying, astute observation. I think it is finally clicking with everyone as to why the earth must be flat.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: sokarul on April 03, 2007, 11:56:33 AM
That is exactly what it is saying, astute observation. I think it is finally clicking with everyone as to why the earth must be flat.

Ok now go do it.  Report back. 
In the mean time I will ask if you know the thought experiment that brought on calculus?
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on April 03, 2007, 12:00:05 PM
That is exactly what it is saying, astute observation. I think it is finally clicking with everyone as to why the earth must be flat.

Ok now go do it.  Report back. 
In the mean time I will ask if you know the thought experiment that brought on calculus?

Let me give you a little information about a proof.

A proof is not a conjecture based on emperical evidence. A proof is a guided conclusion based on concepts already accepted as true/ proven. As you follow my proof, you will see that the earth is flat.

To prove a proof wrong, you cannot ask that it be performed. You can disprove it from your little chair. You just need to show how any of its conclusions are faulty. You have failed to do this. So my proof stands.

Accept truth.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 03, 2007, 12:02:18 PM
What exactly is an "urban path"?

If I understood this term, I might be more accepting of your proof...
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: sokarul on April 03, 2007, 12:14:05 PM
That is exactly what it is saying, astute observation. I think it is finally clicking with everyone as to why the earth must be flat.

Ok now go do it.  Report back. 
In the mean time I will ask if you know the thought experiment that brought on calculus?

Let me give you a little information about a proof.

A proof is not a conjecture based on emperical evidence. A proof is a guided conclusion based on concepts already accepted as true/ proven. As you follow my proof, you will see that the earth is flat.

To prove a proof wrong, you cannot ask that it be performed. You can disprove it from your little chair. You just need to show how any of its conclusions are faulty. You have failed to do this. So my proof stands.

Accept truth.
yeah ok.  So in other news if a person walks toward a wall they will never hit the wall.  This is because at some point they will have traveled half the distance to the wall.  Then there will be other points that will be half the distance to the wall and the first halfway point.  Thus there will always be a point that is half the distance to the wall no matter how close you are to the wall..  This makes the person never hit the wall.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on April 03, 2007, 12:25:15 PM
That is exactly what it is saying, astute observation. I think it is finally clicking with everyone as to why the earth must be flat.

Ok now go do it.  Report back. 
In the mean time I will ask if you know the thought experiment that brought on calculus?

Let me give you a little information about a proof.

A proof is not a conjecture based on emperical evidence. A proof is a guided conclusion based on concepts already accepted as true/ proven. As you follow my proof, you will see that the earth is flat.

To prove a proof wrong, you cannot ask that it be performed. You can disprove it from your little chair. You just need to show how any of its conclusions are faulty. You have failed to do this. So my proof stands.

Accept truth.
yeah ok.  So in other news if a person walks toward a wall they will never hit the wall.  This is because at some point they will have traveled half the distance to the wall.  Then there will be other points that will be half the distance to the wall and the first halfway point.  Thus there will always be a point that is half the distance to the wall no matter how close you are to the wall..  This makes the person never hit the wall.

You are a master of un-science. Calculus clearly explains the this.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: sokarul on April 03, 2007, 12:38:38 PM
Thatís why I said it led to calculus but if you arenít going to go the calculus (aka just claim you can keep leveling buildings off the neighbor) then calculus doesnít answer the question, its just a word. 

I can say you can't level a build of your neighbor and you cant disprove it.   
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on April 03, 2007, 12:58:22 PM
Thatís why I said it led to calculus but if you arenít going to go the calculus (aka just claim you can keep leveling buildings off the neighbor) then calculus doesnít answer the question, its just a word. 

I can say you can't level a build of your neighbor and you cant disprove it.   

So you are saying that if you and your neighbors home had parrallel floors, either your home or his would be unlevel?
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 03, 2007, 01:30:37 PM
Well, unless something was done to flatten the earth beneath the two houses, no, they wouldn't be level.  Show me where on earth there is a perfectly flat piece of land.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on April 03, 2007, 01:39:14 PM
duuuh, why dont you wait on the sidelines for a bit. I dont think you're quite up to speed as to what we are saying.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Roundy the Truthinessist on April 03, 2007, 01:43:27 PM
Well, the point is, anyway, that no, they wouldn't be perfectly level, although that wouldn't be visible to the naked eye.  The earth's curvature is so big we can't observe it with the naked eye.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on April 03, 2007, 01:50:52 PM
duuuh, sidelines... now please.

We are talking here. We are both making the same assumption for the sake of argument, and you think the assumption is up for debate? Just cool it.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Flat Earth Master Mint on April 03, 2007, 01:54:15 PM
Yet another vote for my proof. Can anyone find a leak yet?
Oh, don't misunderstand. I was laughing at your insult to women. To hell with your proof. :3
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Guns N. Roses on April 04, 2007, 07:17:37 AM
By saying "parallel to the earth" you are already assuming the world is flat. Or do you mean tangent to?

Your proof is not backed up. What evidence do you have that shows that 8. is true?

Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on April 04, 2007, 07:28:58 AM
By saying "parallel to the earth" you are already assuming the world is flat. Or do you mean tangent to?

Your proof is not backed up. What evidence do you have that shows that 8. is true?


Must have been a slip, since I think in terms of a flat earth. What I mean is the first home is leveled and is parrallel to the earth at that point. The rest are leveled off of that vector, making it parrallel to the earth if the world is flat, or in tangent to the earth if the earth is round.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: CommonCents on April 04, 2007, 10:28:26 AM
Narc on a curve if you tried to level something based on a tangent found 20 miles away the something wouldn't be tangent to the curve anymore....
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: EIFR on April 04, 2007, 11:38:56 AM
That is exactly what it is saying, astute observation. I think it is finally clicking with everyone as to why the earth must be flat.

Ok now go do it.  Report back. 
In the mean time I will ask if you know the thought experiment that brought on calculus?

Let me give you a little information about a proof.

A proof is not a conjecture based on emperical evidence. A proof is a guided conclusion based on concepts already accepted as true/ proven. As you follow my proof, you will see that the earth is flat.

To prove a proof wrong, you cannot ask that it be performed. You can disprove it from your little chair. You just need to show how any of its conclusions are faulty. You have failed to do this. So my proof stands.

Accept truth.
yeah ok.  So in other news if a person walks toward a wall they will never hit the wall.  This is because at some point they will have traveled half the distance to the wall.  Then there will be other points that will be half the distance to the wall and the first halfway point.  Thus there will always be a point that is half the distance to the wall no matter how close you are to the wall..  This makes the person never hit the wall.
Add time. Just like Achilles and the Tortoise. This is arithmetic series. The distance gets smaller and smaller...
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: EIFR on April 04, 2007, 11:42:35 AM
If you want to prove a flat earth, STOP thinking in terms of it. think in terms of just Earth...btw, throughout this whole thread you are just throwing out all evidence that contradicts your 'proof'. Stop thinking houses first of all. Houses are built a certain way. The only experiment that holds merit here is that laser experiment out on a flat field that someone posted earlier. Do that. Report back. And you will have almost indisputable evidence of a flat earth. Wouldnt you want that? Go do it.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: spike315 on April 04, 2007, 12:58:13 PM
Umm looks like its saying you can use your neighbors house to level yours all the way to Romania.  You would then have to compaire the first and last houses.

OH BUT YOU ARE WRONG MY FRIEND.

If someone is your neighbor, then they would live right next to you.
If your neighbor lives in Romania, then you live in Romania

Due to the curvature of the earth being so slight, you could, realistically, use said neighbors house to level yours.  Theoretically, however, it would not be completely flat.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: sokarul on April 04, 2007, 01:02:34 PM
Umm looks like its saying you can use your neighbors house to level yours all the way to Romania.  You would then have to compaire the first and last houses.

OH BUT YOU ARE WRONG MY FRIEND.

If someone is your neighbor, then they would live right next to you.
If your neighbor lives in Romania, then you live in Romania

Due to the curvature of the earth being so slight, you could, realistically, use said neighbors house to level yours.  Theoretically, however, it would not be completely flat.
You missed what I was getting at,  comparing the first and last house would show the curvature. 
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Guns N. Roses on April 04, 2007, 09:29:52 PM
The earth is round but bumpy, warped, wrinkled and deformed so this proof seems quite full of holes.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on April 05, 2007, 02:01:45 PM
If you want to prove a flat earth, STOP thinking in terms of it. think in terms of just Earth...btw, throughout this whole thread you are just throwing out all evidence that contradicts your 'proof'. Stop thinking houses first of all. Houses are built a certain way. The only experiment that holds merit here is that laser experiment out on a flat field that someone posted earlier. Do that. Report back. And you will have almost indisputable evidence of a flat earth. Wouldnt you want that? Go do it.

I agree with the intention of a laser experiment, however the light from a laser will bend as forces act on it. This makes it useless over very long distances. I left the idea of "extending a vector" as theoretical to avoid the confusion to the topic that would arise from including a specific method.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: sokarul on April 05, 2007, 02:21:58 PM
If you want to prove a flat earth, STOP thinking in terms of it. think in terms of just Earth...btw, throughout this whole thread you are just throwing out all evidence that contradicts your 'proof'. Stop thinking houses first of all. Houses are built a certain way. The only experiment that holds merit here is that laser experiment out on a flat field that someone posted earlier. Do that. Report back. And you will have almost indisputable evidence of a flat earth. Wouldnt you want that? Go do it.

I agree with the intention of a laser experiment, however the light from a laser will bend as forces act on it. This makes it useless over very long distances. I left the idea of "extending a vector" as theoretical to avoid the confusion to the topic that would arise from including a specific method.

Well light is traveling at 3x10^8 m/s so I think the experiment will be fine. 
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on April 05, 2007, 02:24:24 PM
If you want to prove a flat earth, STOP thinking in terms of it. think in terms of just Earth...btw, throughout this whole thread you are just throwing out all evidence that contradicts your 'proof'. Stop thinking houses first of all. Houses are built a certain way. The only experiment that holds merit here is that laser experiment out on a flat field that someone posted earlier. Do that. Report back. And you will have almost indisputable evidence of a flat earth. Wouldnt you want that? Go do it.

I agree with the intention of a laser experiment, however the light from a laser will bend as forces act on it. This makes it useless over very long distances. I left the idea of "extending a vector" as theoretical to avoid the confusion to the topic that would arise from including a specific method.

Well light is traveling at 3x10^8 m/s so I think the experiment will be fine. 

It would work enough to prove my point, yes. I was just trying to avoid having to explain anything about lasers and just focus on the proofs.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: sokarul on April 05, 2007, 02:34:07 PM
Yeah I know you wouldnt want to explain how they can use lasers to tell how far away the sun and moon are. 
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on April 05, 2007, 02:37:04 PM
Yeah I know you wouldnt want to explain how they can use lasers to tell how far away the sun and moon are. 
I love that topic, it is the perfect example of how people have been confused into believing the round earth theory. But please, stay on topic here.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: sokarul on April 05, 2007, 02:38:36 PM
Yeah I know you wouldnt want to explain how they can use lasers to tell how far away the sun and moon are. 
I love that topic, it is the perfect example of how people have been confused into believing the round earth theory. But please, stay on topic here.
How can I stay on topic when there is no proof the earth is flat?
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on April 05, 2007, 02:42:06 PM
Yeah I know you wouldnt want to explain how they can use lasers to tell how far away the sun and moon are. 
I love that topic, it is the perfect example of how people have been confused into believing the round earth theory. But please, stay on topic here.
How can I stay on topic when there is no proof the earth is flat?

While we are off-topic, do you ever feel like it's just us two on these forums some times?
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: sokarul on April 05, 2007, 02:43:58 PM
Yeah I know you wouldnt want to explain how they can use lasers to tell how far away the sun and moon are. 
I love that topic, it is the perfect example of how people have been confused into believing the round earth theory. But please, stay on topic here.
How can I stay on topic when there is no proof the earth is flat?

While we are off-topic, do you ever feel like it's just us two on these forums some times?
Everyone things this site is a joke.  No one care if a thread goes off topic. 
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: CommonCents on April 05, 2007, 03:36:55 PM
While we are off-topic, do you ever feel like it's just us two on these forums some times?

Don't worry narc, some of us just watch from the shadows.

*vanishes in a poof of smoke*
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on April 05, 2007, 03:43:42 PM
While we are off-topic, do you ever feel like it's just us two on these forums some times?

Don't worry narc, some of us just watch from the shadows.

*vanishes in a poof of smoke*

blast, he's gone again.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on July 16, 2007, 12:28:50 PM
With one quick bump, countless others are converted to FE theory.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: CommonCents on July 16, 2007, 12:33:50 PM
Next you'll bump the "My kitchen floor is flat, so the Earth is flat" thread right?
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on July 16, 2007, 12:39:19 PM
Next you'll bump the "My kitchen floor is flat, so the Earth is flat" thread right?

Thats this one.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: CommonCents on July 16, 2007, 12:41:44 PM
Oh, I thought one started like that.  Hehe  ;D
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Ferdinand Magellen on July 16, 2007, 01:48:46 PM
Want to do an interesting experiment regarding circles and tangent lines? Lets inscribe a circle in a shape. A square will produce four tangents, an octogon eight, a dodecahedron, twelve. As you increase the number of lines, and the limit approaches infinity, so too does the number of tangent lines. In short, a circle is a polygon with infinite infintesimal sides and angles. Thus, when you take the vectors of these houses, the variation in the angle between them is something extraordinarily tiny (after all, a large house is 20 meters long, and given that the earth's circumfrence 39891240 meters, this creates an angle so infintesimal that we cannot possibly measure it without calculating it. It makes it hard to declare houses to be on the "same vector," especially when the earth's surface is dotted with hills and mountains and rivers and oceans and lakes as well.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on July 16, 2007, 02:27:12 PM
Want to do an interesting experiment regarding circles and tangent lines? Lets inscribe a circle in a shape. A square will produce four tangents, an octogon eight, a dodecahedron, twelve. As you increase the number of lines, and the limit approaches infinity, so too does the number of tangent lines. In short, a circle is a polygon with infinite infintesimal sides and angles. Thus, when you take the vectors of these houses, the variation in the angle between them is something extraordinarily tiny (after all, a large house is 20 meters long, and given that the earth's circumfrence 39891240 meters, this creates an angle so infintesimal that we cannot possibly measure it without calculating it. It makes it hard to declare houses to be on the "same vector," especially when the earth's surface is dotted with hills and mountains and rivers and oceans and lakes as well.
Are you saying that two neighbors cannot level their homes on the same vector?
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Ferdinand Magellen on July 16, 2007, 02:37:56 PM
Did I say that? No. I mean to say that mathematically speaking, we cannot create something so fine and infintesimal to measure the small degree of vector deviation between two buildings because of the massive size of the planet versus the mediocre size of a house. Mathematically speaking, NOTHING we do will be "the same vector."
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on July 16, 2007, 02:53:17 PM
Did I say that? No. I mean to say that mathematically speaking, we cannot create something so fine and infintesimal to measure the small degree of vector deviation between two buildings because of the massive size of the planet versus the mediocre size of a house. Mathematically speaking, NOTHING we do will be "the same vector."

If the earth is curved, than even the distance to the next home could not be leveled to the same vector. Yet in some places in the world, this is a traditional practice.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Shimakaze on July 16, 2007, 02:59:09 PM
What's this "vector" thing you guys are talking about? Are you referring to a mathematical vector?
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Ferdinand Magellen on July 16, 2007, 03:11:03 PM
Yet, you fail to note what i had posted:

THE MEASURING DEVICES USED IN BUILDING ARE NOT PRECISE, UNLIKE MATHEMATICAL OPERATIONS. They're not going to go out to 10 decimal places. This means that, on a perfectly flat stretch of earth (which doesn't occur anyway, note hills, mountains, etc.), the earth's curvature is so massive and so gradual that it exceeds the accuracy of our instruments.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on July 16, 2007, 03:14:20 PM
Yet, you fail to note what i had posted:

THE MEASURING DEVICES USED IN BUILDING ARE NOT PRECISE, UNLIKE MATHEMATICAL OPERATIONS. They're not going to go out to 10 decimal places. This means that, on a perfectly flat stretch of earth (which doesn't occur anyway, note hills, mountains, etc.), the earth's curvature is so massive and so gradual that it exceeds the accuracy of our instruments.

So are you saying, because we cannot measure it accureately (something most RE'ers here will disagree with) the whole cureveature thing is moot?
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Ferdinand Magellen on July 16, 2007, 03:33:20 PM
I'm saying this--

The instruments that we use to measure for construction sites are not precise enough to reveal a significant change from one house to the next. I said nothing about the earth's curvature.

FURTHERMORE, when houses such as you have described are build, House A is used as the measurment for house B is used for the measurment for house C is used for the measurement of house D. This means any error between A and B is amplified between B and C, in addition to any error that might have already occured there.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: sokarul on July 16, 2007, 03:35:57 PM
The earth is flat because my kitchen floor is flat.  Bump that thread, it was a winner. 
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: TeflonTuxedo on July 16, 2007, 08:06:40 PM
Quote
1: Person A can have his home leveled parrallel to the earth
2: Person A's neighbor can level his home using the same vector
3: There exists a person in France
4: There exists a person in Romania
5: There exists an urban path between the person in France and the person in Romania
6: Each building on this path can be leveled using its neighbors vector
7: Therefore the path between France and Romania is flat
8: If the earth is round its curvature would be noticeable from France to Romania
9: Therefore the world is not round, but is flat at least where an urban path exists

1.the concrete bases aren't completely level with the earth, otherwise your house will have a slight curve.
2. once again, concrete bases.
3.he most likely has parents.
4.he probably hasn't died yet.
5.the path is curved. or, like 1/2, concrete bases.
6. must I repeat myself?
7.it's either curved or...concrete bases.
8.yes...you can't see Romania from France.
9.this makes the least sense. you're saying that in some spots it's flat and in others it's round. and guess what made it flat? concrete.....bases.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Ferdinand Magellen on July 17, 2007, 07:03:48 AM
Don't forget as well that the Alps are between Romania and France. it's a pain to make equivalent vectors through some of the tallest mountains in the world.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on July 17, 2007, 07:54:37 AM
The earth is flat because my kitchen floor is flat.  Bump that thread, it was a winner. 

This is that thread.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Ferdinand Magellen on July 17, 2007, 07:57:58 AM
Exactly
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Aezer on July 25, 2007, 03:15:01 AM
Here's a better experiment, one that actually uses scientific method rather than "A is true, therefore A must be true" logic.

Materials:
A high powered laser
A mirror

Perform at night (to ensure the laser doesn't get "lost" amidst all the sunlight).
Perform over the ocean (if possible), so as to provide a "flat" surface

1) Select an arbitrary altitude*
2) Shine a laser from a point above the north pole at exactly that altitude
3) Set up a receiver 3,000 miles distant, and once more at that altitude.
4) Shine the laser at the receiver "parallel" to the earth.
5) If the laser does not strike the receiver at precisely the same altitude (with tolerances for inaccuracies in measurement), then the earth is not flat.
6) If by some miracle the laser does strike the receiver within the range of tolerance, the world is then flat.

*Ideally the experiment would be run at 0ft, but as a rock might block the laser, higher altitudes might be needed to ensure that the laser does not get blocked by any object that may obstruct it's path.

Note: For a "proof" to have any real logical basis, it can make no arbitrary assumptions.  Your "proof" assumes that all of it's statements are true, which is what is being contended.  Prove that you can draw a perfect mathematical vector - using only current technology and not hypothetical measurements - between a series of structures, or your "proof" is nonsense.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Gulliver on July 25, 2007, 05:07:37 AM
Here's a better experiment, one that actually uses scientific method rather than "A is true, therefore A must be true" logic.

Materials:
A high powered laser
A mirror

Perform at night (to ensure the laser doesn't get "lost" amidst all the sunlight).
Perform over the ocean (if possible), so as to provide a "flat" surface

1) Select an arbitrary altitude*
2) Shine a laser from a point above the north pole at exactly that altitude
3) Set up a receiver 3,000 miles distant, and once more at that altitude.
4) Shine the laser at the receiver "parallel" to the earth.
5) If the laser does not strike the receiver at precisely the same altitude (with tolerances for inaccuracies in measurement), then the earth is not flat.
6) If by some miracle the laser does strike the receiver within the range of tolerance, the world is then flat.

*Ideally the experiment would be run at 0ft, but as a rock might block the laser, higher altitudes might be needed to ensure that the laser does not get blocked by any object that may obstruct it's path.

Note: For a "proof" to have any real logical basis, it can make no arbitrary assumptions.  Your "proof" assumes that all of it's statements are true, which is what is being contended.  Prove that you can draw a perfect mathematical vector - using only current technology and not hypothetical measurements - between a series of structures, or your "proof" is nonsense.
The RE team has "performed" a close analog of this experiment. The view of Toronto from 50 km away provides the same test. The Team has spent a great deal of time on this one, and it looks really great. Please see Trekky's wonderful post (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=15483.msg248518#msg248518). Also, this experiment is documented as Experiment 0013 in the RE Primer.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on September 02, 2007, 08:18:54 PM
The primer is broken. Post the experiment here.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: John Davis on September 03, 2007, 01:20:08 AM
Prove the basis and inductive hypothesis rather than just stating them please.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Jimmy Crackhorn on September 03, 2007, 01:31:31 AM
Prove the basis and inductive hypothesis rather than just stating them please.

You have much to learn. That's all MacKenzie does, and when you ask if anyone has done the experiment themselves, she insults you. Of course, she isn't being serious, but it's always fun to entertain yourself with the possibility of her believing the shit she spews from herpies infested mouth.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: John Davis on September 03, 2007, 05:35:22 AM
Prove the basis and inductive hypothesis rather than just stating them please.

You have much to learn. That's all MacKenzie does, and when you ask if anyone has done the experiment themselves, she insults you. Of course, she isn't being serious, but it's always fun to entertain yourself with the possibility of her believing the shit she spews from herpies infested mouth.
narc = MacKenzie = a she?  Whaaaa?
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: baptist_christian2 on September 03, 2007, 09:08:49 AM
I see I must dumb my proof down.. Commence dumbing:

1: The earth's curve is the total of all of its parts
2: If its parts do not add up to the sum of a complete circle, the earth is not round
3: It has been shown (see above) that there is no curve between france and romania
4: The earth is not round

You have to be an idiot to believe in a round earth...

be an idiot to believe in a round earth? let me ask you, where did you hear this ridiculous load of bullshit? really, how can anyone be this retarded. did you fail science class? were you in 3rd grade and you coulden't understand science you just said "fuck it, I'll just drop out of school"

honestly, are you retarded? that isn't a rhetorical question, are you retarded? cuz a retarded person could tell you that people have gone into outer space and have seen the earth is clearly a sphere.

really, the entire idea of a flat earth and people actually believing this bullshit is mind-boggeling.

really, I had a hard time understanding that people believe that the earth is 6000 years old, but flat? I think I might kill myself cuz people can be so stupid in this world
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on September 03, 2007, 09:10:43 AM
you only believe the Earth is round because everyone has told you the Earth is round, it's simple brainwashing
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Tom Dipshit on September 03, 2007, 09:21:34 AM
you only believe the Earth is round because everyone has told you the Earth is round, it's simple brainwashing
My mind has been washed by my inner daemon, thank you for your cooperation
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on September 03, 2007, 09:22:58 AM
What cooperation? Are you slow or something?
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Midnight on September 03, 2007, 11:54:33 AM
Prove the basis and inductive hypothesis rather than just stating them please.

You have much to learn. That's all MacKenzie does, and when you ask if anyone has done the experiment themselves, she insults you. Of course, she isn't being serious, but it's always fun to entertain yourself with the possibility of her believing the shit she spews from herpies infested mouth.
narc = MacKenzie = a she?  Whaaaa?

I have no idea what that simian douche-teabag is talking about, but around here, Narcberry is Tom Bishop, and vice versa. This means anything you respond to by them will be a waste of your time, and all the free time Tom has.

My advice? Ignore it, and it will blow its brains out when enough people latch onto the idea.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Jimmy Crackhorn on September 03, 2007, 11:56:00 AM
Midnight, you're the one who found out her name was MacKenzie.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Midnight on September 03, 2007, 11:59:32 AM
Midnight, you're the one who found out her name was MacKenzie.

And where is your data on this? Produce it, or leave me be.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Jimmy Crackhorn on September 03, 2007, 12:00:09 PM
When you found her Myspace page. Her name was MacKenzie.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: Midnight on September 03, 2007, 09:23:48 PM
When you found her Myspace page. Her name was MacKenzie.

LOL.

That was a hint. Although nonperson can be witty, and sometimes creative, nonperson is not stupid enough to put his real name on there. But I see your point. LOL. Look at his friends list. Tom Bishop awaits.

Oh noes I did it again! :O
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on September 04, 2007, 06:49:08 PM
I still cannot believe you found out my true identity. Stan is really going to go at me on the roof this week.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: TheRationalTheist on September 22, 2007, 03:00:06 PM
Are you blind? Can you not read a few simpel words on a screen? I'll copy and paste it for you.

Its true I cannot read a few simpel words. How do you spell simpel? That doesn't look right.. Ug, this spelling normally is so simpel but I can't figure it out.. I'll go prove the world is round instead.

First of all simpel is spelled simple, and second of all that does not prove earth is flat. The curvature of the earth is so large you would hardly be able to notice.
Title: Re: Proof of FE
Post by: narcberry on September 24, 2007, 07:49:41 AM
Are you blind? Can you not read a few simpel words on a screen? I'll copy and paste it for you.

Its true I cannot read a few simpel words. How do you spell simpel? That doesn't look right.. Ug, this spelling normally is so simpel but I can't figure it out.. I'll go prove the world is round instead.

First of all simpel is spelled simple, and second of all that does not prove earth is flat. The curvature of the earth is so large you would hardly be able to notice.

Oh, it really is spelled 'simple'? Wow, so simpel.