This proof has no validity if nobody has done it, no...
If that's what you're asking me.
Are you blind? Can you not read a few simpel words on a screen? I'll copy and paste it for you.
FE Theory would state that man cannot land on Mars. Way to go!
Yeah it's a pain when someone ignores your arguments isn't it? I mean like when people point out typos instead of "inserting counterpoint here".
A vector works because the bubble rises to the point farthest from the ground because air naturally rises in relation to the ground in a denser substance (liquid). If one side of the vector is closer to the ground, the bubble will go the other direction in the tube. I cannot see how the vector example would prove the absence of curvature on the earth.
Can level his home using the same vector.
It still doesn't mean that he does.
lol. sprung.
So far it's still an imaginary experiment. You don't know if a curve would be noticed or not until somebody carries this shit out. Even then the equipment would not be sensetive enough to measure the curve across the space of a few dozen metres.
For example, the CN tower in Canada is the world's largest freestanding structure. It's so tall in fact, that they had to plant lasers at the base of the tower when they were building it. Why, you ask? Well, due to the Coriolis effect, the farther away from the surface of the Earth you are, the faster you're rotating. In effect, if the construction workers built straight up without any references to the ground, the structure would corkscrew and be impossible to build totally straight. Ergo, the construction of tall buildings takes into account a round (and spinning) earth.
1: Person A can have his home leveled parrallel to the earth
2: Person A's neighbor can level his home using the same vector
3: There exists a person in France
4: There exists a person in Romania
5: There exists an urban path between the person in France and the person in Romania
6: Each building on this path can be leveled using its neighbors vector
7: Therefore the path between France and Romania is flat
8: If the earth is round its curvature would be noticeable from France to Romania
9: Therefore the world is not round, but is flat at least where an urban path exists
Exactly. He already states as fact what he sets out to prove, therefore his experiment is a fallacy.
1: Person A can have his home leveled parrallel to the earth
2: Person A's neighbor can level his home using the same vector
3: There exists a person in France
4: There exists a person in Romania
5: There exists an urban path between the person in France and the person in Romania
6: Each building on this path can be leveled using its neighbors vector
7: Therefore the path between France and Romania is flat
8: If the earth is round its curvature would be noticeable from France to Romania
9: Therefore the world is not round, but is flat at least where an urban path exists
How is this any different than me saying:
1: Person A cannot have his home leveled parallel to the earth.
2: Person A's neighbor cannot level his home using the same vector.
3: There exists a person in France
4: There exists a person in Romania
5: There exists an urban path between the person in France and the person in Romania
6: So Each building on this path canot be leveled using its neighbors vector.
7: Therefore the path between France and Romania is curved.
8: If the earth is flat its flatness would be noticeable from France to Romania.
9: Therefore the world is not flat, but is round at least where an urban path exists.
Flat like my mom? What?
From now on, I'm keeping a token douchebag score for narcberry, and it'll be updated every time I see you post something worthless and/or retarded in the forum. So far you're at 2. Keep it up.
Why are you just repeating my proof? I already said the world is flat. flat like your mom.
Why are you just repeating my proof? I already said the world is flat. flat like your mom.
And no i dont want to look at the literature, it doesnt give me anything appropriate.
Is there a simple experiment that can be done at home to prove the Earth is flat? (Dont say no but there isnt one for RE either, I think the earth is round, i want to know why i should think its flat) And no i dont want to look at the literature, it doesnt give me anything appropriate.
How does my homosexuality affect the shape of the earth?
Is there a simple experiment that can be done at home to prove the Earth is flat? (Dont say no but there isnt one for RE either, I think the earth is round, i want to know why i should think its flat) And no i dont want to look at the literature, it doesnt give me anything appropriate.
Contrary to the opinions of the morons above that do not understand the consequences of a proof, you can use my proof as the basis of your own home experimentation.
1: Look at your home floor
2: Notice it is flat, not curved
3: Realize that the earth consists of billions of flat surfaces, all parrallel to each other
4: Write a note to your parents, "Omg the world is flat, you liars"
5: Put the note on your table stand
6: Hang yourself for effect
QED, world is flat
But doesn't the government set up special lenses on lasers to make experiments like this work on the flat earth?A very long Urban or sub-urban road may suffice as well, as long as you can verify its 'flat'ness, and have something to aim at.
Hehe BS aside that's a very good experiment, I wonder how many will actually do it though. I personally don't have access to a salt flat but maybe I could find a prairie. Thanks!
Is there a simple experiment that can be done at home to prove the Earth is flat? (Dont say no but there isnt one for RE either, I think the earth is round, i want to know why i should think its flat) And no i dont want to look at the literature, it doesnt give me anything appropriate.
Contrary to the opinions of the morons above that do not understand the consequences of a proof, you can use my proof as the basis of your own home experimentation.
1: Look at your home floor
2: Notice it is flat, not curved
3: Realize that the earth consists of billions of flat surfaces, all parrallel to each other
4: Write a note to your parents, "Omg the world is flat, you liars"
5: Put the note on your table stand
6: Hang yourself for effect
QED, world is flat
I don't see how this proves FE when you cannot see Romania from France due to curvature.
Is there a simple experiment that can be done at home to prove the Earth is flat? (Dont say no but there isnt one for RE either, I think the earth is round, i want to know why i should think its flat) And no i dont want to look at the literature, it doesnt give me anything appropriate.
Contrary to the opinions of the morons above that do not understand the consequences of a proof, you can use my proof as the basis of your own home experimentation.
1: Look at your home floor
2: Notice it is flat, not curved
3: Realize that the earth consists of billions of flat surfaces, all parrallel to each other
4: Write a note to your parents, "Omg the world is flat, you liars"
5: Put the note on your table stand
6: Hang yourself for effect
QED, world is flat
1: Look at your home floor
2: Notice it is flat, not curved
narcberry, I respect your opinion. I think your proof can be disproven quite easily by the fact that you state as part of it "If the earth is round its curvature would be noticeable from France to Romania", and it is, because we can't see Romania from France, because of the curvature, but I think maybe if you try you can do better.
How about if you respond to my post? There's nothing trollish about it, and I respectfully asked for FEers' opinions. It's headed "How do FEers explain the horizon?" So far, not a single FEer has stepped up to the challenge.
Is there a simple experiment that can be done at home to prove the Earth is flat? (Dont say no but there isnt one for RE either, I think the earth is round, i want to know why i should think its flat) And no i dont want to look at the literature, it doesnt give me anything appropriate.
Contrary to the opinions of the morons above that do not understand the consequences of a proof, you can use my proof as the basis of your own home experimentation.
1: Look at your home floor
2: Notice it is flat, not curved
3: Realize that the earth consists of billions of flat surfaces, all parrallel to each other
4: Write a note to your parents, "Omg the world is flat, you liars"
5: Put the note on your table stand
6: Hang yourself for effect
QED, world is flat
1: Look at your home floor
2: Notice it is flat, not curved
3: Realize that the earth consists of billions of flat surfaces, all parrallel to each other
4: Realize that it is due to perspective
5: Eat some oatmeal
1: Look at your home floor
2: Notice it is flat, not curved
3: Realize that the earth consists of billions of flat surfaces, all parrallel to each other
4: Write a note to your parents, "Omg the world is flat, you liars"
5: Put the note on your table stand
6: Hang yourself for effect
QED, world is flat
1: Person A can have his home leveled parrallel to the earth
2: Person A's neighbor can level his home using the same vector
3: There exists a person in France
4: There exists a person in Romania
5: There exists an urban path between the person in France and the person in Romania
6: Each building on this path can be leveled using its neighbors vector
7: Therefore the path between France and Romania is flat
8: If the earth is round its curvature would be noticeable from France to Romania
9: Therefore the world is not round, but is flat at least where an urban path exists
... a perfectly flat surface placed on the ground would have to be over 700 meters long in order for the ends to be just 1cm off the ground.
2+3 = 6 therefore 2 = 3 therefore 2+3 = 6
The cheese in my refrigerator is white.
The cheese in my refrigerator is white.
Ooh, what kind of cheese?
Mozzerella
back on topic, your kitchen floor is curved. Just the curve is ridiculously small (if your kitchen is five meters lengthwise, then a tile at one end is about 1 micrometer below a tile at the other, far, far, far too small to be noticed by eyes or even by precise instruments.
in addition, the houses in romania that were leveled with respect to the house in france would be slightly tilted. Indeed, the neighbor's house would be tilted, although by a mathematically insignificant number of degrees, incidentally also undetectable by a spirit level. People would start to notice roughly one-quarter the way to romania
1: Person A can have his home leveled parrallel to the earthI find this very funny! You are using circular logic to explain a flat Earth! How hilarious.
2: Person A's neighbor can level his home using the same vector
3: There exists a person in France
4: There exists a person in Romania
5: There exists an urban path between the person in France and the person in Romania
6: Each building on this path can be leveled using its neighbors vector
7: Therefore the path between France and Romania is flat
8: If the earth is round its curvature would be noticeable from France to Romania
9: Therefore the world is not round, but is flat at least where an urban path exists
1: Person A can have his home leveled parrallel to the earthI find this very funny! You are using circular logic to explain a flat Earth! How hilarious.
2: Person A's neighbor can level his home using the same vector
3: There exists a person in France
4: There exists a person in Romania
5: There exists an urban path between the person in France and the person in Romania
6: Each building on this path can be leveled using its neighbors vector
7: Therefore the path between France and Romania is flat
8: If the earth is round its curvature would be noticeable from France to Romania
9: Therefore the world is not round, but is flat at least where an urban path exists
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA1: Person A can have his home leveled parrallel to the earthI find this very funny! You are using circular logic to explain a flat Earth! How hilarious.
2: Person A's neighbor can level his home using the same vector
3: There exists a person in France
4: There exists a person in Romania
5: There exists an urban path between the person in France and the person in Romania
6: Each building on this path can be leveled using its neighbors vector
7: Therefore the path between France and Romania is flat
8: If the earth is round its curvature would be noticeable from France to Romania
9: Therefore the world is not round, but is flat at least where an urban path exists
This is coming from a female scientist. Which of us is being hilarious?
That is exactly what it is saying, astute observation. I think it is finally clicking with everyone as to why the earth must be flat.
That is exactly what it is saying, astute observation. I think it is finally clicking with everyone as to why the earth must be flat.
Ok now go do it. Report back.
In the mean time I will ask if you know the thought experiment that brought on calculus?
yeah ok. So in other news if a person walks toward a wall they will never hit the wall. This is because at some point they will have traveled half the distance to the wall. Then there will be other points that will be half the distance to the wall and the first halfway point. Thus there will always be a point that is half the distance to the wall no matter how close you are to the wall.. This makes the person never hit the wall.That is exactly what it is saying, astute observation. I think it is finally clicking with everyone as to why the earth must be flat.
Ok now go do it. Report back.
In the mean time I will ask if you know the thought experiment that brought on calculus?
Let me give you a little information about a proof.
A proof is not a conjecture based on emperical evidence. A proof is a guided conclusion based on concepts already accepted as true/ proven. As you follow my proof, you will see that the earth is flat.
To prove a proof wrong, you cannot ask that it be performed. You can disprove it from your little chair. You just need to show how any of its conclusions are faulty. You have failed to do this. So my proof stands.
Accept truth.
yeah ok. So in other news if a person walks toward a wall they will never hit the wall. This is because at some point they will have traveled half the distance to the wall. Then there will be other points that will be half the distance to the wall and the first halfway point. Thus there will always be a point that is half the distance to the wall no matter how close you are to the wall.. This makes the person never hit the wall.That is exactly what it is saying, astute observation. I think it is finally clicking with everyone as to why the earth must be flat.
Ok now go do it. Report back.
In the mean time I will ask if you know the thought experiment that brought on calculus?
Let me give you a little information about a proof.
A proof is not a conjecture based on emperical evidence. A proof is a guided conclusion based on concepts already accepted as true/ proven. As you follow my proof, you will see that the earth is flat.
To prove a proof wrong, you cannot ask that it be performed. You can disprove it from your little chair. You just need to show how any of its conclusions are faulty. You have failed to do this. So my proof stands.
Accept truth.
That’s why I said it led to calculus but if you aren’t going to go the calculus (aka just claim you can keep leveling buildings off the neighbor) then calculus doesn’t answer the question, its just a word.
I can say you can't level a build of your neighbor and you cant disprove it.
Yet another vote for my proof. Can anyone find a leak yet?Oh, don't misunderstand. I was laughing at your insult to women. To hell with your proof. :3
By saying "parallel to the earth" you are already assuming the world is flat. Or do you mean tangent to?Must have been a slip, since I think in terms of a flat earth. What I mean is the first home is leveled and is parrallel to the earth at that point. The rest are leveled off of that vector, making it parrallel to the earth if the world is flat, or in tangent to the earth if the earth is round.
Your proof is not backed up. What evidence do you have that shows that 8. is true?
Add time. Just like Achilles and the Tortoise. This is arithmetic series. The distance gets smaller and smaller...yeah ok. So in other news if a person walks toward a wall they will never hit the wall. This is because at some point they will have traveled half the distance to the wall. Then there will be other points that will be half the distance to the wall and the first halfway point. Thus there will always be a point that is half the distance to the wall no matter how close you are to the wall.. This makes the person never hit the wall.That is exactly what it is saying, astute observation. I think it is finally clicking with everyone as to why the earth must be flat.
Ok now go do it. Report back.
In the mean time I will ask if you know the thought experiment that brought on calculus?
Let me give you a little information about a proof.
A proof is not a conjecture based on emperical evidence. A proof is a guided conclusion based on concepts already accepted as true/ proven. As you follow my proof, you will see that the earth is flat.
To prove a proof wrong, you cannot ask that it be performed. You can disprove it from your little chair. You just need to show how any of its conclusions are faulty. You have failed to do this. So my proof stands.
Accept truth.
Umm looks like its saying you can use your neighbors house to level yours all the way to Romania. You would then have to compaire the first and last houses.
You missed what I was getting at, comparing the first and last house would show the curvature.Umm looks like its saying you can use your neighbors house to level yours all the way to Romania. You would then have to compaire the first and last houses.
OH BUT YOU ARE WRONG MY FRIEND.
If someone is your neighbor, then they would live right next to you.
If your neighbor lives in Romania, then you live in Romania
Due to the curvature of the earth being so slight, you could, realistically, use said neighbors house to level yours. Theoretically, however, it would not be completely flat.
If you want to prove a flat earth, STOP thinking in terms of it. think in terms of just Earth...btw, throughout this whole thread you are just throwing out all evidence that contradicts your 'proof'. Stop thinking houses first of all. Houses are built a certain way. The only experiment that holds merit here is that laser experiment out on a flat field that someone posted earlier. Do that. Report back. And you will have almost indisputable evidence of a flat earth. Wouldnt you want that? Go do it.
If you want to prove a flat earth, STOP thinking in terms of it. think in terms of just Earth...btw, throughout this whole thread you are just throwing out all evidence that contradicts your 'proof'. Stop thinking houses first of all. Houses are built a certain way. The only experiment that holds merit here is that laser experiment out on a flat field that someone posted earlier. Do that. Report back. And you will have almost indisputable evidence of a flat earth. Wouldnt you want that? Go do it.
I agree with the intention of a laser experiment, however the light from a laser will bend as forces act on it. This makes it useless over very long distances. I left the idea of "extending a vector" as theoretical to avoid the confusion to the topic that would arise from including a specific method.
If you want to prove a flat earth, STOP thinking in terms of it. think in terms of just Earth...btw, throughout this whole thread you are just throwing out all evidence that contradicts your 'proof'. Stop thinking houses first of all. Houses are built a certain way. The only experiment that holds merit here is that laser experiment out on a flat field that someone posted earlier. Do that. Report back. And you will have almost indisputable evidence of a flat earth. Wouldnt you want that? Go do it.
I agree with the intention of a laser experiment, however the light from a laser will bend as forces act on it. This makes it useless over very long distances. I left the idea of "extending a vector" as theoretical to avoid the confusion to the topic that would arise from including a specific method.
Well light is traveling at 3x10^8 m/s so I think the experiment will be fine.
Yeah I know you wouldnt want to explain how they can use lasers to tell how far away the sun and moon are.I love that topic, it is the perfect example of how people have been confused into believing the round earth theory. But please, stay on topic here.
How can I stay on topic when there is no proof the earth is flat?Yeah I know you wouldnt want to explain how they can use lasers to tell how far away the sun and moon are.I love that topic, it is the perfect example of how people have been confused into believing the round earth theory. But please, stay on topic here.
How can I stay on topic when there is no proof the earth is flat?Yeah I know you wouldnt want to explain how they can use lasers to tell how far away the sun and moon are.I love that topic, it is the perfect example of how people have been confused into believing the round earth theory. But please, stay on topic here.
Everyone things this site is a joke. No one care if a thread goes off topic.How can I stay on topic when there is no proof the earth is flat?Yeah I know you wouldnt want to explain how they can use lasers to tell how far away the sun and moon are.I love that topic, it is the perfect example of how people have been confused into believing the round earth theory. But please, stay on topic here.
While we are off-topic, do you ever feel like it's just us two on these forums some times?
While we are off-topic, do you ever feel like it's just us two on these forums some times?
While we are off-topic, do you ever feel like it's just us two on these forums some times?
Don't worry narc, some of us just watch from the shadows.
*vanishes in a poof of smoke*
Next you'll bump the "My kitchen floor is flat, so the Earth is flat" thread right?
Want to do an interesting experiment regarding circles and tangent lines? Lets inscribe a circle in a shape. A square will produce four tangents, an octogon eight, a dodecahedron, twelve. As you increase the number of lines, and the limit approaches infinity, so too does the number of tangent lines. In short, a circle is a polygon with infinite infintesimal sides and angles. Thus, when you take the vectors of these houses, the variation in the angle between them is something extraordinarily tiny (after all, a large house is 20 meters long, and given that the earth's circumfrence 39891240 meters, this creates an angle so infintesimal that we cannot possibly measure it without calculating it. It makes it hard to declare houses to be on the "same vector," especially when the earth's surface is dotted with hills and mountains and rivers and oceans and lakes as well.Are you saying that two neighbors cannot level their homes on the same vector?
Did I say that? No. I mean to say that mathematically speaking, we cannot create something so fine and infintesimal to measure the small degree of vector deviation between two buildings because of the massive size of the planet versus the mediocre size of a house. Mathematically speaking, NOTHING we do will be "the same vector."
Yet, you fail to note what i had posted:
THE MEASURING DEVICES USED IN BUILDING ARE NOT PRECISE, UNLIKE MATHEMATICAL OPERATIONS. They're not going to go out to 10 decimal places. This means that, on a perfectly flat stretch of earth (which doesn't occur anyway, note hills, mountains, etc.), the earth's curvature is so massive and so gradual that it exceeds the accuracy of our instruments.
1: Person A can have his home leveled parrallel to the earth
2: Person A's neighbor can level his home using the same vector
3: There exists a person in France
4: There exists a person in Romania
5: There exists an urban path between the person in France and the person in Romania
6: Each building on this path can be leveled using its neighbors vector
7: Therefore the path between France and Romania is flat
8: If the earth is round its curvature would be noticeable from France to Romania
9: Therefore the world is not round, but is flat at least where an urban path exists
The earth is flat because my kitchen floor is flat. Bump that thread, it was a winner.
Here's a better experiment, one that actually uses scientific method rather than "A is true, therefore A must be true" logic.The RE team has "performed" a close analog of this experiment. The view of Toronto from 50 km away provides the same test. The Team has spent a great deal of time on this one, and it looks really great. Please see Trekky's wonderful post (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=15483.msg248518#msg248518). Also, this experiment is documented as Experiment 0013 in the RE Primer.
Materials:
A high powered laser
A mirror
Perform at night (to ensure the laser doesn't get "lost" amidst all the sunlight).
Perform over the ocean (if possible), so as to provide a "flat" surface
1) Select an arbitrary altitude*
2) Shine a laser from a point above the north pole at exactly that altitude
3) Set up a receiver 3,000 miles distant, and once more at that altitude.
4) Shine the laser at the receiver "parallel" to the earth.
5) If the laser does not strike the receiver at precisely the same altitude (with tolerances for inaccuracies in measurement), then the earth is not flat.
6) If by some miracle the laser does strike the receiver within the range of tolerance, the world is then flat.
*Ideally the experiment would be run at 0ft, but as a rock might block the laser, higher altitudes might be needed to ensure that the laser does not get blocked by any object that may obstruct it's path.
Note: For a "proof" to have any real logical basis, it can make no arbitrary assumptions. Your "proof" assumes that all of it's statements are true, which is what is being contended. Prove that you can draw a perfect mathematical vector - using only current technology and not hypothetical measurements - between a series of structures, or your "proof" is nonsense.
Prove the basis and inductive hypothesis rather than just stating them please.You have much to learn. That's all MacKenzie does, and when you ask if anyone has done the experiment themselves, she insults you. Of course, she isn't being serious, but it's always fun to entertain yourself with the possibility of her believing the shit she spews from herpies infested mouth.
narc = MacKenzie = a she? Whaaaa?Prove the basis and inductive hypothesis rather than just stating them please.You have much to learn. That's all MacKenzie does, and when you ask if anyone has done the experiment themselves, she insults you. Of course, she isn't being serious, but it's always fun to entertain yourself with the possibility of her believing the shit she spews from herpies infested mouth.
I see I must dumb my proof down.. Commence dumbing:be an idiot to believe in a round earth? let me ask you, where did you hear this ridiculous load of bullshit? really, how can anyone be this retarded. did you fail science class? were you in 3rd grade and you coulden't understand science you just said "fuck it, I'll just drop out of school"
1: The earth's curve is the total of all of its parts
2: If its parts do not add up to the sum of a complete circle, the earth is not round
3: It has been shown (see above) that there is no curve between france and romania
4: The earth is not round
You have to be an idiot to believe in a round earth...
you only believe the Earth is round because everyone has told you the Earth is round, it's simple brainwashingMy mind has been washed by my inner daemon, thank you for your cooperation
narc = MacKenzie = a she? Whaaaa?Prove the basis and inductive hypothesis rather than just stating them please.You have much to learn. That's all MacKenzie does, and when you ask if anyone has done the experiment themselves, she insults you. Of course, she isn't being serious, but it's always fun to entertain yourself with the possibility of her believing the shit she spews from herpies infested mouth.
Midnight, you're the one who found out her name was MacKenzie.
When you found her Myspace page. Her name was MacKenzie.
Are you blind? Can you not read a few simpel words on a screen? I'll copy and paste it for you.
Its true I cannot read a few simpel words. How do you spell simpel? That doesn't look right.. Ug, this spelling normally is so simpel but I can't figure it out.. I'll go prove the world is round instead.
Are you blind? Can you not read a few simpel words on a screen? I'll copy and paste it for you.
Its true I cannot read a few simpel words. How do you spell simpel? That doesn't look right.. Ug, this spelling normally is so simpel but I can't figure it out.. I'll go prove the world is round instead.
First of all simpel is spelled simple, and second of all that does not prove earth is flat. The curvature of the earth is so large you would hardly be able to notice.