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Title: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Skyburn on March 16, 2007, 06:08:11 PM
For all you FE'ers out there, I want a few explainations, and a few counters to my examples of RE proof:

First of all, how can I, in Southern Illinois, not get on top of my house, with a large telescope, and see the Sears Tower in Chicago? Before one says "the air is too thick." I would like to explain a few things to you: There are more than enough photons. If you study atoms, your body is virtually nothing - really, most of it is absolute nothingness. All it is, basically, is a bunch of electrons loosely orbiting masses of protons and neutrons, and the electromagnetic fields of those electrons make up all sorts of physical resistance we feel.
Expand that to a gas. With the extreme amount of protons moving through the atmosphere, it would take many hundred, if not thousands of miles of air to filter out all of those photons. But, according to the FE'ers, the physics of that means nothing, apparently. Atoms are unbelievably small, and are mostly just a void. It takes thousands of them tightly and coherently packed to deflect them. In air, such deflections are easily reversed, if they occur at all.
Also, using this reason, the horizon would drastically increase on humid days. It doesn't.
So how can't I see Chicago when the air isn't thick enough to stop all of those photons? How can't I see the Appalachian Mountains or my grandma's house?
You might still say that the air is actually thick enough. Let me prove you wrong on that:
How can one on a tower see further than one on the ground? You might say "the air thickens!" Mathematically, you're seeing through more air than before, at certain variables. (Pythagorean theorem coupled with the density of air, which, up to 30,000 feet, is not that substantial in differences, but 30,000 feet is enough to see well over a hundred miles. Mathmatically, you're seeing through more air.
But you're seeing farther. Because of this principle, many Egyptians of old speculated, even knew the Earth was round - as well because they could see ships "sink" over the horizon.
So how can I not see Chicago? How can I not see the Sear's Tower?

How is it possible for my father, a worker employed by Boeing, to travel around the world by airliner on multi-national business trips?

Why is the fastest route to a destination a curve when talking about large distances?

Why are celestial bodies, such as Mars or Jupiter, round when we are not? Gravity and their rotundity are proved through one observed circumstance in which, due to gravitational attraction at different points of a comet, it caused the comet to break into seven separate pieces, in a line, and impact Jupiter at seven different points - as it rotated, a line of impacts were caused due to it's rotation.
------Wouldn't Mars and Jupiter require such "Ice Walls" to produce the effects we see here? Or are they actually round? I remember someone on this site said they were flat. (A bunch of floating disks in space? How do they all happen to point towards us. Why can't anyone see the sides? Why do they always appear circular?)



-Please explain to me how day and night work.
-If the Earth is flat, what's on the other side?

One thing I really want to know is how would the governments of the world/NASA benefit off of this? How, out of many many countries that would have to be involved, is there not one major leak?
Why do liberal, virtually anti-government News Stations show the Earth as round when they have satellites in orbit to prove that it is not?
FYI: Google Earth is a civilian-provided service. No conspiracy there, and it shows the Earth as round.

How did the government photoshop anything before they had the equipment to alter the pictures properly?
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: physics_guy on March 16, 2007, 06:14:21 PM
a little advice to the newbie friend (his first post hehe)

Not many people read the long stuff...

and as an answer to all questions here: Yes.. impossible but true... the earth is flat...
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Skyburn on March 16, 2007, 06:19:24 PM
I've been observing for the past few hours, and I came up with a few theories to help out the FE'ers.

For all you FE'ers, try using these arguements.

1) Spacetime warps itself to our will, because it naturally avoids all dark energy created by the mentality of a conspiracy.
2) Anything we call a conspiracy is one, except for ourselves. We are not a conspiracy. We are the one true anti-conspiracy.
3) We are the only ones who are right. Just because we say so.
4) Your reality is wrong. Because we said so. We care not for physics or logic.
5) The Earth is Flat because it is. There needs to be no logic applied to this, because it is so. Denying this is heresy, and punishable by death.

EDIT:
If they don't read all of that long stuff they won't be able to properly formulate an arguement. I am elaborate for a reason.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: TheEngineer on March 16, 2007, 06:24:31 PM
First off, let me say this:  You should have read the FAQ.

Now:

Circumnavigation is possible on the FE.
Google Earth has nothing to do with space.
I can't see a mountain range that is just over 20 miles from my house do the atmosphere.
I know about atoms and photons, thanks.
Not all celestial bodies are flat.
Gravity does not exist.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on March 16, 2007, 06:25:54 PM
First off, let me say this:  You should have read the FAQ.

Now:

Circumnavigation is possible on the FE. wrong
Google Earth has nothing to do with space. wrong
I can't see a mountain range that is just over 20 miles from my house do the atmosphere. wrong
I know about atoms and photons, thanks. wrong
Not all celestial bodies are flat. very very right
Gravity does not exist. irrelevant
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Skyburn on March 16, 2007, 06:31:17 PM
First off, let me say this:  You should have read the FAQ.

Now:

Circumnavigation is possible on the FE.
Google Earth has nothing to do with space.
I can't see a mountain range that is just over 20 miles from my house do the atmosphere.
I know about atoms and photons, thanks.
Not all celestial bodies are flat.
Gravity does not exist.

Circumnavigation is possible on the FE? Through what sort of magic is this possible if it's flat?

Google Earth has everything to do with a round earth. Hell, that's one of the main points of it.

You know all about atoms and photons? Then you'll obviously apply them to atmospheric logic and realize that atoms and molecules in the air are much too small to stop the photons over such a relatively short distance.

Not all celestial bodies are flat. I'd like you to point out which ones are. I was just saying that someone on this site said they were. (Oh, those 7 pieces of the comet I was talking about? Each one was large enough to cause a fallout enough to cover the surface of the earth, and create craters over a couple hundred miles wide. If Jupiter was flat, it'd have tilted at least a bit. Jupiter is round, if nothing else.)

Gravity doesn't exist. Prove it. I can at least prove that there is something there.
True, gravitational force doesn't exist. Spacetime? Perhaps. All we have are theories, but we do know that there is something keeping me from floating off into the air.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 16, 2007, 06:44:00 PM
For all you FE'ers out there, I want a few explainations, and a few counters to my examples of RE proof:

First of all, how can I, in Southern Illinois, not get on top of my house, with a large telescope, and see the Sears Tower in Chicago?

You can.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Skyburn on March 16, 2007, 06:49:14 PM
Actually, I can't. I've tried. I even did the math. Had teachers do the math. Impossible.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 16, 2007, 06:49:42 PM
Actually, I can't. I've tried. I even did the math. Had teachers do the math. Impossible.

What "math" is involved? As long as you have a clear line of sight, you can see it. The End.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Baby Wizard on March 16, 2007, 06:51:45 PM
First off, let me say this:  You should have read the FAQ.
First off, let me say this:  You should have read the FAQ.
Gravity does not exist.
Gravity doesn't exist. Prove it. I can at least prove that there is something there.
True, gravitational force doesn't exist. Spacetime? Perhaps. All we have are theories, but we do know that there is something keeping me from floating off into the air.

like the other person said read FAQs before posting now if you had read them you would know that gravity is movment through space keeping us to the ground and that absoultly every thing has a gravitational pull
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Skyburn on March 16, 2007, 06:55:31 PM
Actually, I can't. I've tried. I even did the math. Had teachers do the math. Impossible.

What "math" is involved? As long as you have a clear line of sight, you can see it. The End.
Calibration of the telescope/angles, et cetera. As for something requiring virtually no calibration: I can't see the Appalachian Mountains from where I am. They arn't nearly far away enough for the atmosphere for me to not see them... but I can't see them. The horizon of the rounded earth negates that.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: FEIPS on March 16, 2007, 06:56:03 PM
First off, let me say this:  You should have read the FAQ.
First off, let me say this:  You should have read the FAQ.
Gravity does not exist.
Gravity doesn't exist. Prove it. I can at least prove that there is something there.
True, gravitational force doesn't exist. Spacetime? Perhaps. All we have are theories, but we do know that there is something keeping me from floating off into the air.

like the other person said read FAQs before posting now if you had read them you would know that gravity is movment through space keeping us to the ground and that absoultly every thing has a gravitational pull

So just 'cause some FAQ with no actual scientifically accepted evidence says there is no gravity, I should believe that?
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 16, 2007, 06:57:18 PM
Actually, I can't. I've tried. I even did the math. Had teachers do the math. Impossible.

What "math" is involved? As long as you have a clear line of sight, you can see it. The End.
Calibration of the telescope/angles, et cetera. As for something requiring virtually no calibration: I can't see the Appalachian Mountains from where I am. They arn't nearly far away enough for the atmosphere for me to not see them... but I can't see them. The horizon of the rounded earth negates that.

There is no horizon. Be more careful with your calculations and you will be able to see what you are looking for.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: FEIPS on March 16, 2007, 07:01:03 PM
Actually, I can't. I've tried. I even did the math. Had teachers do the math. Impossible.

What "math" is involved? As long as you have a clear line of sight, you can see it. The End.
Calibration of the telescope/angles, et cetera. As for something requiring virtually no calibration: I can't see the Appalachian Mountains from where I am. They arn't nearly far away enough for the atmosphere for me to not see them... but I can't see them. The horizon of the rounded earth negates that.

There is no horizon. Be more careful with your calculations and you will be able to see what you are looking for.

A question, have you tried this with a telescope?
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 16, 2007, 07:01:44 PM
Actually, I can't. I've tried. I even did the math. Had teachers do the math. Impossible.

What "math" is involved? As long as you have a clear line of sight, you can see it. The End.
Calibration of the telescope/angles, et cetera. As for something requiring virtually no calibration: I can't see the Appalachian Mountains from where I am. They arn't nearly far away enough for the atmosphere for me to not see them... but I can't see them. The horizon of the rounded earth negates that.

There is no horizon. Be more careful with your calculations and you will be able to see what you are looking for.

A question, have you tried this with a telescope?

I don't own a telescope. I don't have enough money to waste it on trivial pursuits.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Kasroa Is Gone on March 16, 2007, 07:02:56 PM
It's a good game. Maybe you would have more joy with the junior edition
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Skyburn on March 16, 2007, 07:03:51 PM
Quite some time ago, I tried this. I scoured almost every inch (metaphorically used) of the horizon. There are no landmasses in the way. Illinois is flat.
I actually looked for the St. Louis Arch, too, not more than 50 miles away. Logically, it should be so incredibly easy to find with no more than five minutes searching, it should just practically smack me the the face!
Guess what? Couldn't find that either.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 16, 2007, 07:04:56 PM
Quite some time ago, I tried this. I scoured almost every inch (metaphorically used) of the horizon. There are no landmasses in the way. Illinois is flat.
I actually looked for the St. Louis Arch, too, not more than 50 miles away.
Guess what? Couldn't find that either.

Then you are not very good with a telescope.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: FEIPS on March 16, 2007, 07:05:15 PM
Actually, I can't. I've tried. I even did the math. Had teachers do the math. Impossible.

What "math" is involved? As long as you have a clear line of sight, you can see it. The End.
Calibration of the telescope/angles, et cetera. As for something requiring virtually no calibration: I can't see the Appalachian Mountains from where I am. They arn't nearly far away enough for the atmosphere for me to not see them... but I can't see them. The horizon of the rounded earth negates that.

There is no horizon. Be more careful with your calculations and you will be able to see what you are looking for.

A question, have you tried this with a telescope?

I don't own a telescope. I don't have enough money to waste it on trivial pursuits.

So how would you know if you haven't experimented? You can't really tell a person what they can or can't see with a telescope if you don't even have experiance with one.

Besides telescopes are useful in the hobby of stargazing. Its relaxing, you should try it.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 16, 2007, 07:06:18 PM
I know that you CAN see anything with a clear line of right, because the Earth is flat.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Skyburn on March 16, 2007, 07:08:35 PM
I know that you CAN see anything with a clear line of right, because the Earth is flat.
How do you know the Earth is flat? I clearly have shown you scientifically how I know it to be round. Prove it to be flat.

Quite some time ago, I tried this. I scoured almost every inch (metaphorically used) of the horizon. There are no landmasses in the way. Illinois is flat.
I actually looked for the St. Louis Arch, too, not more than 50 miles away.
Guess what? Couldn't find that either.

Then you are not very good with a telescope.
I found Jupiter, and not the St. Louis Arch? Wow. Yeah, I must really suck, then. I mean, I've even been to the arch.

I like how the only true thing any of the FE's have tackled so far is the horizon line issue.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: FEIPS on March 16, 2007, 07:08:49 PM
I know that you CAN see anything with a clear line of right, because the Earth is flat.

But, you should atleast try a telescope before you diss somebodies usage of it. Maybe you'll discover something you didn't know before.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 16, 2007, 07:12:51 PM
That's preposterous.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Geordi la Forge on March 16, 2007, 07:14:46 PM
That's preposterous.

Typical fanatic FE rhetoric. Just try there advice. Just try it!
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: FEIPS on March 16, 2007, 07:16:48 PM
That's preposterous.

Is it till you try it. You blindly follow this theory without testing it. If you are correct then you should be able to see it personally yourself. If you are wrong, you will see how he sees nothing, when by FE theory there should be something.  Either way, you gain knowledge and what is money and time compared to the pursuit of knowledge.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Skyburn on March 16, 2007, 07:18:14 PM
That's preposterous.
Arrogance?

Seriously, your only arguement right now is "You're wrong! I'm right! (Because you're all just brainwashed!)"

(I'd seriously like to know how the government benefits by brainwashing everyone that the Earth is round when there are better things they could brainwash them into.)
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 16, 2007, 07:18:44 PM
That's preposterous.

Typical fanatic FE rhetoric. Just try there advice. Just try it!

Do you go and investigate what every religious fanatic preaches? In the whole world? If so, you must have no life and I feel sorry for you. If not, why should *I* have to do it?
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: FEIPS on March 16, 2007, 07:22:39 PM
That's preposterous.

Typical fanatic FE rhetoric. Just try there advice. Just try it!

Do you go and investigate what every religious fanatic preaches? In the whole world? If so, you must have no life and I feel sorry for you. If not, why should *I* have to do it?

Well, as an athiest I do study different religions so I have some stuff to back up my arguments. If your going to preach how we're wrong you should atleast look at some of our evidence and reasoning as to why we believe in RE.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 16, 2007, 07:23:16 PM
That's preposterous.

Typical fanatic FE rhetoric. Just try there advice. Just try it!

Do you go and investigate what every religious fanatic preaches? In the whole world? If so, you must have no life and I feel sorry for you. If not, why should *I* have to do it?

Well, as an athiest I do study different religions so I have some stuff to back up my arguments. If your going to preach how we're wrong you should atleast look at some of our evidence and reasoning as to why we believe in RE.

I am an atheist and I see no point in studying nonsense. Why should *I* be beholden to other people's imaginations?
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Skyburn on March 16, 2007, 07:26:34 PM
That's preposterous.

Typical fanatic FE rhetoric. Just try there advice. Just try it!

Do you go and investigate what every religious fanatic preaches? In the whole world? If so, you must have no life and I feel sorry for you. If not, why should *I* have to do it?

Well, as an athiest I do study different religions so I have some stuff to back up my arguments. If your going to preach how we're wrong you should atleast look at some of our evidence and reasoning as to why we believe in RE.

I am an atheist and I see no point in studying nonsense. Why should *I* be beholden to other people's imaginations?


That's preposterous.

Typical fanatic FE rhetoric. Just try there advice. Just try it!

Do you go and investigate what every religious fanatic preaches? In the whole world? If so, you must have no life and I feel sorry for you. If not, why should *I* have to do it?
Because I, an adamant Christian (Southern Baptist) even delve into my faith and it's backgrounds, and many others.
Because I actually study what I'm trying to argue for.
You obviously don't. You are the follower of a theory that has no more backing than wanting to defy the government.

Why should I, Francois Tremblay, listen to your stubbornness? Why should I believe you? You've got no foundation. You are blindly following something even I can disprove and bewilder!

The Earth is round. There are pictures from civilian satellites, unadulturated by governments, to prove it.
If you don't believe that, then you're left with only agreeing with people who agree with you. And when that happens, we get people who don't think.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: FEIPS on March 16, 2007, 07:28:26 PM
That's preposterous.

Typical fanatic FE rhetoric. Just try there advice. Just try it!

Do you go and investigate what every religious fanatic preaches? In the whole world? If so, you must have no life and I feel sorry for you. If not, why should *I* have to do it?

Well, as an athiest I do study different religions so I have some stuff to back up my arguments. If your going to preach how we're wrong you should atleast look at some of our evidence and reasoning as to why we believe in RE.

I am an atheist and I see no point in studying nonsense. Why should *I* be beholden to other people's imaginations?

(Irony of this conversation is that in the General Dicussion you accused REers of getting easily mad and insulting.)

No one is forcing you, but it gives you an extra leg to stand on and it makes you look more credible if you actually have looked through a telescope before you tell people what they can/can't see with one.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 16, 2007, 07:28:42 PM
"Because I, an adamant Christian (Southern Baptist)"

Typical redneck crap. Get outta here, godboy. This board is for serious discussions.  People who believe in sky-pixies that pop humans out of clay are not worthy of being here.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Zee on March 16, 2007, 07:30:33 PM
BA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Oh by the gods themselves, you are... HA HA HA HA

I'm crying right now, this is rich, so rich, hahahaha!
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: FEIPS on March 16, 2007, 07:32:16 PM
"Because I, an adamant Christian (Southern Baptist)"

Typical redneck crap. Get outta here, godboy. This board is for serious discussions.  People who believe in sky-pixies that pop humans out of clay are not worthy of being here.

Okay thats just wrong. When you ridicule someone for their religion, it shows you as the intolerant asshole. I can deal with the arrogance of the I'm right, your wrong attitude of yours, but you have crossed the line.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 16, 2007, 07:33:37 PM
"Because I, an adamant Christian (Southern Baptist)"

Typical redneck crap. Get outta here, godboy. This board is for serious discussions.  People who believe in sky-pixies that pop humans out of clay are not worthy of being here.

Okay thats just wrong. When you ridicule someone for their religion, it shows you as the intolerant asshole. I can deal with the arrogance of the I'm right, your wrong attitude of yours, but you have crossed the line.

You're damn right I am intolerant of a religion that preaches I was made from clay by a fucking sky-pixie. I don't know where the hell you came from, but I didn't come from clay.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Skyburn on March 16, 2007, 07:37:06 PM
"Because I, an adamant Christian (Southern Baptist)"

Typical redneck crap. Get outta here, godboy. This board is for serious discussions.  People who believe in sky-pixies that pop humans out of clay are not worthy of being here.

Okay thats just wrong. When you ridicule someone for their religion, it shows you as the intolerant asshole. I can deal with the arrogance of the I'm right, your wrong attitude of yours, but you have crossed the line.

You're damn right I am intolerant of a religion that preaches I was made from clay by a fucking sky-pixie. I don't know where the hell you came from, but I didn't come from clay.

There is one that teaches that? Wow! What's it called?
I mean, I was always taught that God made me in his own image! It mustn't be Christianity, because there's no clay involved in that. (I'll admit, I am being an asshole)
Seriously, learn before you insult. You're just full of arrogance and ignorance.


"Because I, an adamant Christian (Southern Baptist)"

Typical redneck crap. Get outta here, godboy. This board is for serious discussions.  People who believe in sky-pixies that pop humans out of clay are not worthy of being here.
"I am atheist." Typical liberal crap. Get out of here, anarchist boy!
...Seriously. That's just the same level of insulting you gave me. Plus, I'm not even being arrogant condescending about discriminating people because of their beliefs. Apparently, because I like a round earth and God, I'm stupid and a red-neck! I guess I'll just go get my vittles and trappin's, kiss mah cuzzin and go try tuh reed sum moer!
(Before anyone calls me a flamer for insulting him... basically, just look at what he said.)

Don't call me a redneck, I prefer the term "Appalachian American."
And I'm not even a redneck. I'm more city-folk with a spice of distance from any actual city. I'm simply in the bible-belt. Hell, I'm not even within a redneck area.

Plus, I think we've proven I'm more scientific than you, since I actually experiment rather than blindly follow something someone else told me.

Next time someone says that religion causes intollerance, I'll just divert them to this subject...
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Zee on March 16, 2007, 07:37:26 PM
You're also a college educated person to subscribes to a complete swap of physical laws.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Valcarde on March 16, 2007, 07:38:27 PM
Franky-boy, I think the real reason you aren't willing to do this 'experiment' that was offered is because you're afraid you'll be wrong, and your 'belief' will collapse like a house of cards in a strong breeze.

If you are 100% sure that the earth is flat and you will be able to see the Appalachian Mountains, St.Louis Arch, what have you, then...

Why the apprehension to try it?
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: FEIPS on March 16, 2007, 07:38:49 PM
"Because I, an adamant Christian (Southern Baptist)"

Typical redneck crap. Get outta here, godboy. This board is for serious discussions.  People who believe in sky-pixies that pop humans out of clay are not worthy of being here.

Okay thats just wrong. When you ridicule someone for their religion, it shows you as the intolerant asshole. I can deal with the arrogance of the I'm right, your wrong attitude of yours, but you have crossed the line.

You're damn right I am intolerant of a religion that preaches I was made from clay by a fucking sky-pixie. I don't know where the hell you came from, but I didn't come from clay.


It is hopeless in the case of you.  You try to slander us REers of being insulting and the such when you are even worse.  YOU give atheist and FEers a bad name.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: TheEngineer on March 16, 2007, 07:39:50 PM
Enough.  This is not the place for this.  Take it to angry ranting or the religion board.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 16, 2007, 07:39:58 PM
I am not made in any sky-pixie's image. What you say is offensive and I demand that you stop this bullshit slander.

If you believe that we came from clay because a sky-pixie said the magic words, and that everyone is inherently "sinful," then your belief system is offensive. I don't care if you preach or not, it's just not acceptable to believe this.

How can people in this day and age still be allowed to say these things? Freedom of speech goes too far.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 16, 2007, 07:41:10 PM
Anyone who expresses Christian beliefs on this board should be censored, because these beliefs are offensive. You shouldn't be allowed to say anything that offends others, according to any reasonable utilitarian calculation.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Zee on March 16, 2007, 07:42:20 PM
So we've confirmed Francis to be a Nazi; and TheEngineer, how the heck did you get to be a mod?
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 16, 2007, 07:44:28 PM
If you wanna believe that you were made in the image of some sky-pixie, that's fine, but don't involve the rest of us.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: TheEngineer on March 16, 2007, 07:44:31 PM
So we've confirmed Francis to be a Nazi; and TheEngineer, how the heck did you get to be a mod?

Because I know what I am talking about, and have a good reputation on these boards.  Now, stop with the off topic posts and personal attacks, this will be your last warning.  This is not the place for it.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Zee on March 16, 2007, 07:45:19 PM
You think you know what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Valcarde on March 16, 2007, 07:45:54 PM
If you wanna believe that you were made in the image of some sky-pixie, that's fine, but don't involve the rest of us.

You were the one who brought up the 'sky-pixies'.
You are the only one who keeps going on about 'sky-pixies'.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: FEIPS on March 16, 2007, 07:47:58 PM
Must a topic be moved to the angry rant forum if just a few people are hostile?

Back on topic. I still believe you don't have much credibility if you haven't experimented with evidence of an opposing belief.  So why not try the telescope and figure it out yourself?
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Skyburn on March 16, 2007, 07:49:07 PM
I am not made in any sky-pixie's image. What you say is offensive and I demand that you stop this bullshit slander.

If you believe that we came from clay because a sky-pixie said the magic words, and that everyone is inherently "sinful," then your belief system is offensive. I don't care if you preach or not, it's just not acceptable to believe this.

How can people in this day and age still be allowed to say these things? Freedom of speech goes too far.

Your arrogance, ego, and lack of IQ is bringing the world down.
All who in favor of kicking him out of the gene pool (to keep from corrupting natural selection), say "aye...", all opposed... go play in traffic.

Okay, back on topic. Please revert to these subjects:
1) Horizon line & Increased height = Increased range of vision, not bound to a constant of air density
2) Circumnavigation
3) Fastest distance is a curve (noticable over very long distances)
4) Day and Night in a flat Earth? How?
5) Other side of this disk we live on, if it is indeed flat?
6) How does the government profit from such a conspiracy?
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Zee on March 16, 2007, 07:50:38 PM
Let it be known I suggesting kicking him out earlier:

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11645.msg157152#msg157152 (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11645.msg157152#msg157152)

^^ proofs
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 16, 2007, 07:51:46 PM
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Your arrogance, ego, and lack of IQ is bringing the world down.
All who in favor of kicking him out of the gene pool (to keep from corrupting natural selection), say "aye...", all opposed... go play in traffic.

And you people call ME a Nazi? Just because I am offended by your slanderous beliefs? And you want me to be killed?

Get behind me, Satan.


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Okay, back on topic. Please revert to these subjects:
1) Horizon line & Increased height = Increased range of vision, not bound to a constant of air density

Does not exist.


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2) Circumnavigation

Compatible with FE.


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3) Fastest distance is a curve (noticable over very long distances)

Irrelevant.


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4) Day and Night in a flat Earth? How?

Because of the rising and setting of the suns.


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5) Other side of this disk we live on, if it is indeed flat?

There are other lands, as described by explorers' journals.


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6) How does the government profit from such a conspiracy?

They do not profit, but they have to keep their people within this local area. It is a complicated geopolitical issue involving other lands and armies. The US government is fully aware of the situation.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Skyburn on March 16, 2007, 07:53:05 PM
I know that you CAN see anything with a clear line of right, because the Earth is flat.
How do you know you can? Saying "because the Earth if flat" is not proof.
Prove that you can. How do you know the Earth is flat?
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: FEIPS on March 16, 2007, 08:00:59 PM
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Your arrogance, ego, and lack of IQ is bringing the world down.
All who in favor of kicking him out of the gene pool (to keep from corrupting natural selection), say "aye...", all opposed... go play in traffic.

And you people call ME a Nazi? Just because I am offended by your slanderous beliefs? And you want me to be killed?

Get behind me, Satan.


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Okay, back on topic. Please revert to these subjects:
1) Horizon line & Increased height = Increased range of vision, not bound to a constant of air density

Does not exist.


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2) Circumnavigation

Compatible with FE.


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3) Fastest distance is a curve (noticable over very long distances)

Irrelevant.


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4) Day and Night in a flat Earth? How?

Because of the rising and setting of the suns.


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5) Other side of this disk we live on, if it is indeed flat?

There are other lands, as described by explorers' journals.


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6) How does the government profit from such a conspiracy?

They do not profit, but they have to keep their people within this local area. It is a complicated geopolitical issue involving other lands and armies. The US government is fully aware of the situation.


1. Prove Mr. I've never looked in a telescope to see.

2. True, but it wouldn't be circumnavigation.

3. Very relevant as this supports a curved Earth.

4. Geocentrism was proved false by Gallileo.

5. Christopher Columbus thought he was in India. All those "other" lands could easily been mistaken.

6. So telling the truth of a flat earth and past that is a barren iceland is going to make people go, "Hey I'm going to go to the edge of the Earth..." Doubtful.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Skyburn on March 16, 2007, 08:02:55 PM
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Your arrogance, ego, and lack of IQ is bringing the world down.
All who in favor of kicking him out of the gene pool (to keep from corrupting natural selection), say "aye...", all opposed... go play in traffic.

And you people call ME a Nazi? Just because I am offended by your slanderous beliefs? And you want me to be killed?

Get behind me, Satan.
There are many ways to rid you of the gene pool that don't involve death...

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Okay, back on topic. Please revert to these subjects:
1) Horizon line & Increased height = Increased range of vision, not bound to a constant of air density

Does not exist.
Prove it.

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2) Circumnavigation

Compatible with FE.
How?
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3) Fastest distance is a curve (noticable over very long distances)

Irrelevant.
How?
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4) Day and Night in a flat Earth? How?

Because of the rising and setting of the suns.

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5) Other side of this disk we live on, if it is indeed flat?

There are other lands, as described by explorers' journals.
Which journals? No explorer, i.e. Magellan, mentions anything but what would prove the Earth to be round.

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6) How does the government profit from such a conspiracy?

They do not profit, but they have to keep their people within this local area. It is a complicated geopolitical issue involving other lands and armies. The US government is fully aware of the situation.
Then why the conspiracy?
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 16, 2007, 08:04:27 PM
"1. Prove Mr. I've never looked in a telescope to see."

How?


"2. True, but it wouldn't be circumnavigation."

Technically correct.


"3. Very relevant as this supports a curved Earth."

How?


"4. Geocentrism was proved false by Gallileo."

Well, the whole geocentric v heliocentric issue assumes there is only one, huge Sun and smallish planets. This kind of thinking doesn't really apply to the facts.


"5. Christopher Columbus thought he was in India. All those "other" lands could easily been mistaken."

Not when you need to cross the Ice Wall to get there. The Ice Wall is kindof noticeable.


"6. So telling the truth of a flat earth and past that is a barren iceland is going to make people go, "Hey I'm going to go to the edge of the Earth..." Doubtful."

Why not? We explore everything we can. That is human nature.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: FEIPS on March 16, 2007, 08:20:31 PM
1. Go look through a telescope and try and look for a landmark relatively far from you. If you can try it from a high up place.

3. Due to the curvature of the Earth it would be shorter to just fly somewhat on the curve then, lets say, the equator. Hence why planes will usually fly not fly in a straight path as it is shorter to just fly in a curve.

4. What facts do you speak of?  I know the facts of there being one sun and a bunch of smaller planets circling it, not multiple suns within crators in the Earth which rise and set.  ::)

5. May I ask for these journals and some quotes from them.  They may have seen the coast of antartica, but I doubt they would have gone on there in the age of exploration.

6. But whole populations. Maybe a few explorers, but not whole huge groups.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Skyburn on March 16, 2007, 08:26:51 PM
Explain:
How did the Earth get to be flat?
Why is it flat?
How do you know it's flat?
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 16, 2007, 08:28:43 PM
1. Go look through a telescope and try and look for a landmark relatively far from you. If you can try it from a high up place.

It's your fantasy belief, you try it. I don't have the money or time to indulge your delusions.


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3. Due to the curvature of the Earth it would be shorter to just fly somewhat on the curve then, lets say, the equator. Hence why planes will usually fly not fly in a straight path as it is shorter to just fly in a curve.

That makes no sense whatsoever. A line is the shortest path between two points, not a curve.


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4. What facts do you speak of?  I know the facts of there being one sun and a bunch of smaller planets circling it, not multiple suns within crators in the Earth which rise and set.  ::)

Then you "know" wrong.


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5. May I ask for these journals and some quotes from them.  They may have seen the coast of antartica, but I doubt they would have gone on there in the age of exploration.

I cannot give these to you under any circumstance.


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6. But whole populations. Maybe a few explorers, but not whole huge groups.

In the past, whole armies passed through this land in their enterprises. Nowadays, inter-land treaties prevent this.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: FEIPS on March 16, 2007, 08:33:02 PM
1. Why not try it, unless you are afraid of the possibility of being wrong.

3. Only on a flat plane is a line the shortest path. To understand it, you would have to work upon a sphere.

4. I ask for evidence of your theory.

5. Because you don't have them most likely or is it the conspiracy.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 16, 2007, 08:35:21 PM
1. Why not try it, unless you are afraid of the possibility of being wrong.

Not enough money, not enough time.


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3. Only on a flat plane is a line the shortest path. To understand it, you would have to work upon a sphere.

I still don't understand it.


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4. I ask for evidence of your theory.

I already made a thread with the evidence.


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5. Because you don't have them most likely or is it the conspiracy.

I do have them.
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Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Skyburn on March 16, 2007, 08:38:33 PM
1. Because you are afriaid to be wrong.
3. That curve, because of the Earth being round, is actually the closest thing to a straight line.
4. Prove us wrong.
5. No, you don't. If you did, you'd show them.
You have no reason not to show them.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: FEIPS on March 16, 2007, 08:40:22 PM
I agree, plus I am very interested in these "journals".  Why can't you show them.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 16, 2007, 08:41:16 PM
1. Because you are afriaid to be wrong.

Nice way to kick a man who's down, Round Earther.


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3. That curve, because of the Earth being round, is actually the closest thing to a straight line.

IF the Earth was round, you couldn't go in a straight line to begin with.


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4. Prove us wrong.
5. No, you don't. If you did, you'd show them.
You have no reason not to show them.

You mean getting jailed for being a "terrorist" is not a valid reason?
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: FEIPS on March 16, 2007, 08:47:49 PM
1.  Like you haven't been the least bit offensive.

3. A straight line relative the curve...

4.5.  I fail to see how giving information on some journals is going to get you jailed. Your more likely to be jailed for a hate crime.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Skyburn on March 16, 2007, 08:51:41 PM
1. Because you are afriaid to be wrong.

Nice way to kick a man who's down, Round Earther.
Wow, you actually admitted to being down! (Like you haven't been offensive?)
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3. That curve, because of the Earth being round, is actually the closest thing to a straight line.

IF the Earth was round, you couldn't go in a straight line to begin with.
Exactly. Which is why you have to go what would be considered a curve on a flat map. Because going straight horizontally would actually lead you on a longer path because it's already a curve. Thusly, aircraft travel in curves when in transit.
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4. Prove us wrong.
5. No, you don't. If you did, you'd show them.
You have no reason not to show them.

You mean getting jailed for being a "terrorist" is not a valid reason?
1) The government is not all seeing. They do not have enough personnel to observe everything, even if they wanted to.
2) The government is not unjust, contrary to your stupid "conspiracy" theories. Saying it is is absolute ignorance.
3) That's not terrorism. They wouldn't jail you, they'd laugh at you. If they going to jail you for being a terrorist, they'd have done it already. If they were going to, just for saying that you've got those documents, they'd be after you, that's if your theory of that being a conspiracy is correct.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 16, 2007, 08:55:38 PM
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Wow, you actually admitted to being down! (Like you haven't been offensive?)

I have never been offensive.


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Exactly. Which is why you have to go what would be considered a curve on a flat map. Because going straight horizontally would actually lead you on a longer path because it's already a curve. Thusly, aircraft travel in curves when in transit.

No, going straight would just make you crash into land.



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1) The government is not all seeing. They do not have enough personnel to observe everything, even if they wanted to.

Ever heard of Project Echelon? They *can* observe everything, at least insofar as the Internet is concerned. This is all public knowledge, not conspiracy.


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2) The government is not unjust, contrary to your stupid "conspiracy" theories. Saying it is is absolute ignorance.

Very funny. Don't be ridiculous. Either you never studied history in high school, don't watch the news at all, and have been living under a rock for your whole life, or you are a fanatic statist. Either way, there's no point in debating this.


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3) That's not terrorism. They wouldn't jail you, they'd laugh at you.

Tell those they already arrested.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Skyburn on March 16, 2007, 09:09:06 PM
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Wow, you actually admitted to being down! (Like you haven't been offensive?)

I have never been offensive.
Telling me that, because I'm Christian, that I have no right to speak my mind here, is offensive. Telling me Christians have no right to Freedom of Speech, or that the Freedom of Speech allowing Christians to talk is offensive.

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Exactly. Which is why you have to go what would be considered a curve on a flat map. Because going straight horizontally would actually lead you on a longer path because it's already a curve. Thusly, aircraft travel in curves when in transit.

No, going straight would just make you crash into land.
Exactly.
Going straight on a flat map would cause you to take a longer path as well. However, since the world is flat, on a flat map of paper, you have to take a path that is considered curved, even though it is actually straight. To get from New York to England, going up near Greenland is actually the shortest path, even though it's not actually along the way. FE'ers don't seem to get this, despite civilian flight-records.


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1) The government is not all seeing. They do not have enough personnel to observe everything, even if they wanted to.

Ever heard of Project Echelon? They *can* observe everything, at least insofar as the Internet is concerned. This is all public knowledge, not conspiracy.
They don't have the manpower to sort through all the crap to find what they want. They need leads. They don't look through everything. If they arrested people people who thought that the earth was flat, they;d have you already.
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2) The government is not unjust, contrary to your stupid "conspiracy" theories. Saying it is is absolute ignorance.

Very funny. Don't be ridiculous. Either you never studied history in high school, don't watch the news at all, and have been living under a rock for your whole life, or you are a fanatic statist. Either way, there's no point in debating this.
There are people in the government who aren't just, true. But as a whole, the government is.

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3) That's not terrorism. They wouldn't jail you, they'd laugh at you.

Tell those they already arrested.
I will when you can find them.
If they wanted people who thought the Earth was flat, you'd be rotting in Leavenworth right now.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 16, 2007, 10:09:06 PM
Telling me that, because I'm Christian, that I have no right to speak my mind here, is offensive. Telling me Christians have no right to Freedom of Speech, or that the Freedom of Speech allowing Christians to talk is offensive.[/quote]

Pointing out that someone else is offensive, is not offensive. It's just a fact.



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Going straight on a flat map would cause you to take a longer path as well. However, since the world is flat, on a flat map of paper, you have to take a path that is considered curved, even though it is actually straight. To get from New York to England, going up near Greenland is actually the shortest path, even though it's not actually along the way. FE'ers don't seem to get this, despite civilian flight-records.

I still don't get it. So it's better not to take a straight route either way. How exactly does this prove anything?



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They don't have the manpower to sort through all the crap to find what they want. They need leads. They don't look through everything. If they arrested people people who thought that the earth was flat, they;d have you already.

They don't arrest anyone who says the Earth is flat. They DO arrest anyone who tries to spread forbidden knowledge about other lands. Even now I fear for my life.


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There are people in the government who aren't just, true. But as a whole, the government is.

That is an insane statement, which betrays a total ignorance of history, current events, and human decency.


Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Skyburn on March 16, 2007, 10:50:47 PM
I have two words for your entire arguement. Everything you have ever said in this thread.

Prove.
It.


And one question you never answered. Why do you believe in the flat-earth theory?
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 17, 2007, 12:08:52 AM
I have two words for your entire arguement. Everything you have ever said in this thread.

Prove.
It.

Already have... See my thread on "proofs of FE."


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And one question you never answered. Why do you believe in the flat-earth theory?

Because it is true.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: FEIPS on March 17, 2007, 04:57:13 AM
I've seen your thread, its a sham. Flat Earth is Psuedo Science.

Franc, since its not rude to point out when someones offensive, let me point out that you are offensive.  Your intollerant of thinking different from your own, your ignorant of the facts, you lie when you have no real evidence, and overall you give a bad name to your fellow FEers, 'cause I know they're not all arrogant asses who can't come up with anything good to say.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Skyburn on March 17, 2007, 05:05:41 AM
"Because it is true" is saying nothing more than, "I have no reason to think that way other than that I am brainwashed/I don't know why I think that way." You follow your beliefs blindly.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 17, 2007, 03:32:55 PM
"Because it is true" is saying nothing more than, "I have no reason to think that way other than that I am brainwashed/I don't know why I think that way." You follow your beliefs blindly.

You made a little mistake. Replace "You" with "I" and "your" with "my." You are the one who are following your indoctrination blindly.

I provide evidence and conviction. You provide belief and hatred.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: FEIPS on March 17, 2007, 03:39:27 PM
"Because it is true" is saying nothing more than, "I have no reason to think that way other than that I am brainwashed/I don't know why I think that way." You follow your beliefs blindly.

You made a little mistake. Replace "You" with "I" and "your" with "my." You are the one who are following your indoctrination blindly.

I provide evidence and conviction. You provide belief and hatred.

Bah, thats a lie if I've ever heard one.  You have provided blind belief and hatred yourself, even if you yourself are ignorant of it. Your "evidence" and "conviction" is a bunch of fake journals, the disbelief of the human races greatest scientist, a lack of knowledge in even basic physics, and an ignorance of what CAN'T be seen with a telescope and thats probably just to name a few.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 17, 2007, 03:41:19 PM
"Because it is true" is saying nothing more than, "I have no reason to think that way other than that I am brainwashed/I don't know why I think that way." You follow your beliefs blindly.

You made a little mistake. Replace "You" with "I" and "your" with "my." You are the one who are following your indoctrination blindly.

I provide evidence and conviction. You provide belief and hatred.

Bah, thats a lie if I've ever heard one.  You have provided blind belief and hatred yourself, even if you yourself are ignorant of it. Your "evidence" and "conviction" is a bunch of fake journals, the disbelief of the human races greatest scientist, a lack of knowledge in even basic physics, and an ignorance of what CAN'T be seen with a telescope and thats probably just to name a few.

Your response brims with hatred.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: FEIPS on March 17, 2007, 03:45:32 PM
"Because it is true" is saying nothing more than, "I have no reason to think that way other than that I am brainwashed/I don't know why I think that way." You follow your beliefs blindly.

You made a little mistake. Replace "You" with "I" and "your" with "my." You are the one who are following your indoctrination blindly.

I provide evidence and conviction. You provide belief and hatred.

Bah, thats a lie if I've ever heard one.  You have provided blind belief and hatred yourself, even if you yourself are ignorant of it. Your "evidence" and "conviction" is a bunch of fake journals, the disbelief of the human races greatest scientist, a lack of knowledge in even basic physics, and an ignorance of what CAN'T be seen with a telescope and thats probably just to name a few.

Your response brims with hatred.

But even if it is laced with hatred it has truth to its structure.
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: physics_guy on March 17, 2007, 05:50:03 PM
"Because it is true" is saying nothing more than, "I have no reason to think that way other than that I am brainwashed/I don't know why I think that way." You follow your beliefs blindly.

You made a little mistake. Replace "You" with "I" and "your" with "my." You are the one who are following your indoctrination blindly.

I provide evidence and conviction. You provide belief and hatred.

Bah, thats a lie if I've ever heard one.  You have provided blind belief and hatred yourself, even if you yourself are ignorant of it. Your "evidence" and "conviction" is a bunch of fake journals, the disbelief of the human races greatest scientist, a lack of knowledge in even basic physics, and an ignorance of what CAN'T be seen with a telescope and thats probably just to name a few.

Your response brims with hatred.

But even if it is laced with hatred it has truth to its structure.

Chill out people! Peace all over the world..
Round or flat, we have only one earth.. and we FEers and REers must share it, in peace......

...At least until all RE'ers are dead and FEers rule the world...
Title: Re: Explain a few things to me:
Post by: FEIPS on March 17, 2007, 06:12:16 PM
"Because it is true" is saying nothing more than, "I have no reason to think that way other than that I am brainwashed/I don't know why I think that way." You follow your beliefs blindly.

You made a little mistake. Replace "You" with "I" and "your" with "my." You are the one who are following your indoctrination blindly.

I provide evidence and conviction. You provide belief and hatred.

Bah, thats a lie if I've ever heard one.  You have provided blind belief and hatred yourself, even if you yourself are ignorant of it. Your "evidence" and "conviction" is a bunch of fake journals, the disbelief of the human races greatest scientist, a lack of knowledge in even basic physics, and an ignorance of what CAN'T be seen with a telescope and thats probably just to name a few.

Your response brims with hatred.

But even if it is laced with hatred it has truth to its structure.

Chill out people! Peace all over the world..
Round or flat, we have only one earth.. and we FEers and REers must share it, in peace......

...At least until all RE'ers are dead and FEers rule the world...

Or until the Flat Earth Society dies out again like it has done multiple times.