The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: Azukre on February 15, 2007, 11:37:44 PM
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And I just can't believe it. This is ridiculous. I click around a bit, at first I thought it was a joke, but then it dawned on me that... holy .... there are a whole bunch of people here, in the year 2007, who think that the world is flat. Incredible.
I noticed a few things... the first thing I noticed was a post in which some poor soul thinks that satellites do not exist and any pictures of the earth have been "manufactured" here on the earth's surface. I suppose if you think the earth is flat then you would also have to convince yourself that satellites do not exist, and I do mean convince yourself, because there is no evidence to support such an idea.
To you sad people, I would kindly like to point out a thing or two. Sattelites do exist my logically challenged friends. Walk outside on a clear night. Now, look up at the sky. Now, just keep your gaze on the stars for a good moment, just until you spot what looks like a star gliding across the sky. That would be a sattelite. It shouldn't take you more than 30 seconds to find one. You can usually find one within ten seconds of looking up at the sky, at any time of night, simply because there are so many satellites circling us. The earths orbit is literally littered with them. Do it on the next clear night. If it is a clear night right now, do it right now. They are surprisingly easy to spot. Like I said, it will look like a star, but it will be gliding across the sky moving in a linear fashion, and as you watch it move you will be able to tell that it is "underneath" all of the other stars, and that it is not a plane.
Second, I would like to point out that I have used google earth to zoom in on the top of my residence. I could see my car parked out front, so if that is a hoax, my goodness have they ever done their research.
The next thing I noticed was the proposterous theories proposed by the self proclaiming "smart people", the people claiming to be physicists and psychologists who think that the world is flat. Um.. hello? Einstein anyone? He explained gravity in a way that makes sense, even in calculation, and the calculations include giant spherical mass known as planets.
Here, I will help you guys out on this one, here it is explained in video form.. since you people do not seem to ... read.. any... sort of... information.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4258041398583592305&q=elegant+universe
The earth shooting upwards pinning us all to its surface was good for a few laughs though, thanks for that. The author of that post, who I noticed is a moderator gets an A+ for effort, but unfortunately Einstein owns you when it comes to physics.. and makes a lot more sense... (his theory includes everything else... yours will have to bend and twist everything else to compensate for it) soooo... watch the aforementioned movie so that you can shut down this site and get on with your life.
Another thing I would like to touch on is the planes being able to fly around the world thing... ok um.. someone brought this up, and someone elses rebuttal was that you can "trace the outside of a coin and come full circle..." .. um... ? wha..? But I thought the earth was flat? The outside of a coin is round? And what would be on the coins surface then? That doesn't really make sense. So can someone else, maybe Tom Bishop who I immediately noticed is the village idiot here, possibly explain to me how planes are able to fly straight and end up in the same spot? If the world is flat then why can't we find its edges?
Also, Tom, I noticed you coming down on others when they can't understand your "perfectly logical theories" which show us how flat the earth is, saying that their lack of education is to blame.
Well... in the second grade I was taught that the world was spherical, so I am curious as to where you got your education from.
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This post is miniscule, I'm just feeling out the forum. I am, after all, dealing with a bunch of people who think the world is flat, I thought I would keep it simple.
Care to touch on anything I brought up, or... just gonna keep believing the world is flat?
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maybe Tom Bishop who I immediately noticed is the village idiot here
But it seems you didn't notice the FAQ. (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1324)
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I noticed a few things... the first thing I noticed was a post in which some poor soul thinks that satellites do not exist
Satellites cannot orbit without gravity.
Second, I would like to point out that I have used google earth to zoom in on the top of my residence. I could see my car parked out front, so if that is a hoax, my goodness have they ever done their research.
The pictures don't have to come from satellites.
The earth shooting upwards pinning us all to its surface was good for a few laughs though, thanks for that. The author of that post, who I noticed is a moderator gets an A+ for effort, but unfortunately Einstein owns you when it comes to physics.
Sigh, Einstein's theories are what allows us to claim that.
Another thing I would like to touch on is the planes being able to fly around the world thing.
The FE is shaped like a cylinder. We inhabit the top surface, which is round, with the north pole in the center. Traveling east/west would mean you are tracing a circle around the center.
I am curious as to where you got your education from.
ASU, one of the top engineering schools in the country.
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No, I didn't notice the FAQ, but I did notice that Tom Bishop is the village idiot of the forum. I'm not going to quote any of you, I can't be bothered to do that either, I'll just copy and paste.
"Satellites cannot orbit without gravity."
And your point is...?
"The pictures don't have to come from satellites."
Go outside on a clear night and look up.
"Sigh, Einstein's theories are what allows us to claim that."
Yet they propose nothing of the sort. A cylindrical earth? Uuh...
"The FE is shaped like a cylinder. We inhabit the top surface, which is round, with the north pole in the center. Traveling east/west would mean you are tracing a circle around the center. "
Um.. wouldn't going east/west be going back and forth across the flat surface? What do you mean 'round'? I'm assuming you mean that the surface of the earth is flat and is shaped like a circle...
"ASU, one of the top engineering schools in the country."
Well that explains why he's such a physics expert.
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And like I said. If it's flat, why can't we find the edges.
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Planes can fly in a pefectly straight line, and end up where they started, without falling off the earth.
You sure? Aren't they flying "around" the earth? How is that straight?
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refer to edit. and the post above your last one. also, that was a nicely crafted dodge of all of the other points I made. You also really "refuted" me good with that last one. Yeah. I guess they wouldn't be going straight.
Good job.
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Um.. wouldn't going east/west be going back and forth across the flat surface? What do you mean 'round'? I'm assuming you mean that the surface of the earth is flat and is shaped like a circle...
Well that explains why he's such a physics expert.
no, flying east/west would be like flying around the north pole in a circle. The north pole is in the center of the earth.
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"Satellites cannot orbit without gravity."
And your point is...?
No gravity, no orbit, no satellites.
"The pictures don't have to come from satellites."
Go outside on a clear night and look up.
What will that prove? Am I going to see a satellite taking a picture of my house?
"Sigh, Einstein's theories are what allows us to claim that."
Yet they propose nothing of the sort. A cylindrical earth? Uuh...
Gravity=acceleration. By Einstein.
Um.. wouldn't going east/west be going back and forth across the flat surface? What do you mean 'round'? I'm assuming you mean that the surface of the earth is flat and is shaped like a circle...
Uh, yea.
Well that explains why he's such a physics expert.
Well, at least I'm appreciated.
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"What will that prove? Am I going to see a satellite taking a picture of my house?"
You will be able to spot lots of satellites. Some might be taking pictures of your house.
"Gravity=acceleration. By Einstein."
Um. No. Although I see where you are coming from, that is not what he thought.
Here I'll help you out again, you must have missed it the first time. Enter SpaceTime.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4258041398583592305&q=elegant+universe
And one person is saying that going east/west would be going back and forth, another is saying it would be going in a circle. So which one of you is right?
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And one person is saying that going east/west would be going back and forth, another is saying it would be going in a circle. So which one of you is right?
Who said it's like going back and forth? oO
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And why can't we find the edges?
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TheEngineer, when I said this..
"Um.. wouldn't going east/west be going back and forth across the flat surface? What do you mean 'round'? I'm assuming you mean that the surface of the earth is flat and is shaped like a circle... "
and he said this..
"Uh, yea."
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Why can't we find the edges?
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he was refering to you saying "I'm assuming you mean that the surface of the earth is flat and is shaped like a circle... "
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Well then he shouldn't have quoted the east/west part too.
Why can't we find the edges?
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Why can't we find the edges?
The edge is the south pole. and it's said that it's guarded so you can't come too close to the real edge.
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"Gravity=acceleration. By Einstein."
Um. No. Although I see where you are coming from, that is not what he thought.
Really? Then why did he come up with the equivalence principle? Why did he base GR on it?
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I just noticed... on this very day, that Earth was flat. I'm filled with glee after finding this forum. Thanks Zues.
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Ah, yes, of course. Guarded. So nobody can ever see it. How convenient.
If the south pole is spread out about the edge of the earth, then what's on the other side of the cylinder? Another two poles?
What a ridiculous stretch. Blasted compasses eh? If they didn't exist your theory would be a lot easier to mould.
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Not really, compasses work quite well on the FE.
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"why did he come up with the equivalence principle? Why did he base GR on it?"
Probably the same reason he thought that planets were spherical and created spherical warping in the spacetime grid which is physical reality.
Maybe the same reason his calculations were of spherical planets.
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"Not really, compasses work quite well on the FE."
Yes, after the theory has been tailored to them. FE mashes things in places they don't fit, rather than seamlessly weaving everything together.
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Did you actually read about the equivalence principle? If you had, you would understand that gravity=acceleration.
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So now I'm curious, what's on the other side of the cylinder?
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FE mashes things in places they don't fit
What things?
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So now I'm curious, what's on the other side of the cylinder?
Space.
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Gravity is quite a bit more complex than =accelleration and has undertaken new understandings since Einstein. The equivelance principle does not prove or disprove your theory, it is just something else you can use to your advantage. Doesn't change the fact that Einstein thought (knew) planets were spheres.
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Gravity is indistinguishable from acceleration. That's what allows us to have the earth accelerating.
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gravity only exists if you believe it exists.
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"What things?"
Most things about it. It is apparent that it began not with calculations and observations, but began with the idea that the earth is flat. The calculations and observations then had to be forced into place.
Spherical earth is the superior theory. It just makes more sense, and there is still room to learn.. there are still things that we don't know. That is what makes it more real, anytime anyone claims to "know everything" and sets up a force field to not let out or in any information pertaining to their "theory", that's when you know you are dealing with an egotistical fanatic who cannot let go of the belief, in which they have invested so much of themselves.
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Gravity is indistinguishable from acceleration. That's what allows us to have the earth accelerating.
Einstein thought planets were spheres. If you're gonna use Einstein, use the whole thing. Can't you see yourself nitpicking information to build your case, taking what you like and leaving what you don't?
Spacetime, etc... what about all that?
Did it just so happen that Einstein was wrong about everything you think is wrong, and right about everything you think is right? How convenient, just like the edges of the earth being guarded.
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Einstein also thought Quantum Mechanics was wrong.
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refer to edit. QM is a whole different world entirely. We are talking about planets, and Einsteins work has been the defining work on planets. He wasn't wrong about it because he never said anything about it, he was simply aghast that just as he seemed to be coming to the end of his theory, this new crevice of reality pops up, and didn't want to accept the fact that it did, because he had invested his life in his belief system.
Just like you.
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I didn't say Einstein was wrong about anything, except QM.
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Well, you are saying he was wrong about planets being spheres,.
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Hmm, don't remember saying that.
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Oh, so planets are spheres? But the earth isn't?
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The earth is not other planets.
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Oh my.. so The Earth is the only planet we have ever come across that is shaped like a cylinder.... is that what you think? And we just happen to be stuck on it with no satellites and can't go into orbit to gain an outside perspective of ourselves... ??
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Oh my.. so The Earth is the only planet we have ever come across that is shaped like a cylinder.... is that what you think? And we just happen to be stuck on it with no satellites and can't go into orbit to gain an outside perspective of ourselves... ??
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Yep.
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Wow.
Don't you think a cylindrical planet wouldn't work properly in a system full of sphericals?
Why would our planet be the only cylindrical one?
So do orbits exist on spherical planets?
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Just because the earth is gravitationally neutral, doesn't mean everyother body is.
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So spherical planets have orbits about them then?
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They could, yes.
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They could? And that's why they "could" have moons orbiting about them, like the moons we can see orbiting the spherical planets using telescopes here on earth? Or are telescopes a conspiracy as well?
So if other planets are spheres, and their moons orbit them, why would you have any reason to believe that The Earth is any different? Even if satellites didn't exist (which they do... sorry to say) and humans had never been into space, just looking outwards at the rest of the universe, we can look at other planets to understand ours.
You make no sense, are you religious? That would explain a lot.
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So if other planets are spheres, and their moons orbit them, why would you have any reason to believe that The Earth is any different?
The earth has life.
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Why the excessive beating around the bush?
Sooo... you're religious then?
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Most Flat Earthers are Atheists.
At least this new member kept all of their questions in one topic, instead of making 40 different topics all asking questions that are answered in the FAQ. Although they could have avoided making even one topic if they simply read the FAQ first, or used the Search function.