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Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: bulmabriefs144 on June 09, 2026, 04:18:34 PM
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After this thread "It needs the fall of American regime as well as Israeli regime" and others like it, I think we need Westerners who oppose actions against Iran to take a good long look in the mirror, and understand what they are actually claiming they stand for.
The world absolutely needs America to stand with Israel, far more than it needs to stand with Ukraine. One of these is out of line, and trying to push us into nuclear war with a country that would bomb us to dust if they got mad enough, and the other represents an expansionist regime that will first push Israel's people into the sea,
and then continue with the Zoroastrians (rather easy), Hindus, Shintos, and Christians. I'm talking about Islam, in case you missed it, something that Hitler supported. So yup, right out of the gate, we're invoking Hitler. How do you justify continued support of "Palestine" and Iran against Israel? How do you justify opposing the "American and Israeli regime" as you call it, in the face of that?
Also, I wanted to write one of these "Why do you support..." polls, and today was the day.
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What a stupid question. "Oh you think Palestine should be free? But what about the Israelis?" Well what about the Palestinians?
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Jesus is burning in excrement.
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I've heard.
I consider it less offensive than telling me that not only did not die on the cross, but that he had Judas do it for him.
Meanwhile, in every way that matters, despite the scorn and mockery, Jews admit that Jesus was in fact crucified.
https://www.thetorah.com/article/behind-the-mockery-jewish-responses-to-jesus-crucifixion-and-resurrection
בבלי סנהדרין מג. בְּעֶרֶב הַפֶּסַח תְּלָאוּהוּ לְיֵשׁוּ הַנּוֹצְרִי, וְהַכָּרוֹז יוֹצֵא לְפָנָיו אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם: ״יֵשׁוּ הַנּוֹצְרִי יוֹצֵא לִיסָּקֵל עַל שֶׁכִּישֵּׁף וְהֵסִית וְהִדִּיחַ אֶת יִשְׂרָאֵל. כׇּל מִי שֶׁיּוֹדֵעַ לוֹ זְכוּת יָבוֹא וִילַמֵּד עָלָיו״. וְלֹא מָצְאוּ לוֹ זְכוּת, וּתְלָאוּהוּ בְּעֶרֶב הַפֶּסַח.
b San 43a On Passover Eve they hung [the corpse of] Jesus the Nazarene [after they had stoned him]. And a crier had gone out before him for forty days [publicly proclaiming]: Jesus the Nazarene is going to be stoned because he practiced sorcery, incited [the Jewish people to commit idolatry], and led them astray. Anyone who can say anything in his favor should come forward and plead on his behalf. But they could find nothing in his favor, and they hung him on Passover Eve.
סבר את בגרמך \ דאת צלב לגרמך \ ואנא שותף עימך
Do you believe that you alone, that you alone were crucified? I too shared your lot.
סמיר על קיס \ ובשרי לטופח נקיס \ ובר נגיד הקיס
Nailed to wood, my flesh slashed at hand-breadth length, I am the son of one who carries wood [i.e., a carpenter]
סכיף באיסקוטוס \ מן אתא זיניטוס \ וקרון יתי כריסטוס
Lashed by rods, of woman born, they call me the savior (christos).
סמר במסמרין \ בגפיי מסמרין \ טב מיני אכל שע[רין]
Pierced with nails, my limbs clamped into place, a barley eater is better than I.
ספיה די נקיב[תה] \ עבידין בהתה \ בכל [אתר] ומדינתה \ א' פ[ל]וני
This is the end of the pierced one, disgraced in every [place] and town
תרגום שני אסתר ז:ט אציתו לי אילניא וכל שתיליא דשתילו מן יומא דבראשית דבר המדתא בעי למסוק לאכסנדריא דבר פנדירא! אתכנשו כולהון ועטו עיטה: מן דרומיה חמשין אמין יצטלב המן על רישיה.
Targum Sheni Esther 7:9 Listen to me, all you trees and plants that I have planted from the days of creation: The son of Hamdatha wants to go up on the high mast (=cross, gallows) of Bar-Pandera (=Jesus)! So assemble all of you and take counsel, whichever of you is fifty cubits in height, Haman shall be impaled upon its head.
ובאותה שעה נהרג והיה יום שישי והיה ערב פסח וערב שבת. כשהביאו לתלותו על עץ היה נשבר שהיה שם המפורש עמו
At that hour he was killed and it was the sixth day [of the week] and it was the eve of Pesach and the eve of the Sabbath. When they brought [him] to be hanged on a tree, [the] tree would break because he possessed the Ineffable Name.
Christians are the grafted tree of of Judaism. The Nazis tried to get the Christians to attack the root of their own tree, hoping when that was over, they could rid the world of Christianity.
BBC historian Laurence Rees characterises Hitler's relationship to religion as one of opportunism and pragmatism: "his relationship in public to Christianity – indeed his relationship to religion in general – was opportunistic. There is no evidence that Hitler himself, in his personal life, ever expressed any individual belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church".
According to Speer, Hitler's private secretary, Martin Bormann, relished recording any harsh pronouncements by Hitler against the church.[58] Speer considered Bormann to be the driving force behind the regime's campaign against the churches. Speer thought that Hitler approved of Bormann's aims, but was more pragmatic and wanted to "postpone this problem to a more favourable time":[59]
"Once I have settled my other problem," [Hitler] occasionally declared, "I'll have my reckoning with the church. I'll have it reeling on the ropes."
"We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany."
The Jews, Christians, Shinto, Zoroastrians, and Sikhs (maybe Buddhists too) are the world's last defense against the horde of uncivilized woke atheists.
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Buddists are athiests.
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Jesus is burning in excrement.
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Buddists are atheists.
But yet atheists aren't necessarily Buddhists.
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Buddists are atheists.
But yet atheists aren't necessarily Buddhists.
Correct.
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Buddists are athiests nontheists.
FTFY
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In mathematics, they call that non-commutativity. And generally, it doesn't work in math. In real life, it does work, but we have to ask ourselves what the difference is.
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In mathematics, they call that non-commutativity. And generally, it doesn't work in math.
What was that again?
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Basically, they meaning math teachers.
A=B, but B=/= A is pretty rare in math, but outside of it, somewhat common.
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Basically, they meaning math teachers.
A=B, but B=/= A is pretty rare in math, but outside of it, somewhat common.
It's not just rare, it doesn't make any sense the way you wrote it. Actual non commutativity that makes sense is very common in math, it's when A*B is different from B*A or more generally when the order of doing something matters. It happens all the time!
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Well, whatever.
It's not just rare, it doesn't make any sense the way you wrote it.
The point is that in reality, Nazi sympathizers can be dog owners but dog owners may not be Nazi sympathizers.
That literally is an A=B, but not B=A equation.
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Antisemitism is disgusting, but speaking out about the actions of Isreal is not antisemitism. The Israeli government and pro Isreal lobbies have been hard at work trying to make them the same thing. Now antisemitism is on the rise. Did they really think that one through?
The Pez/Bulma maths debate should be fun though.
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speaking out about the actions of Isreal is not antisemitism.
Yes it is.
By definition.
You're an anti-semite by definition.
Like Greta Thunberg.
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The Jews are Semites.
"Semite" (Semitic) originally refers to a group of peoples who speak or historically spoke Semitic languages — a branch of the larger Afroasiatic language family. Semitic languages include Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic, Amharic, Tigrinya, Phoenician, Akkadian and others.
Linguistic group: it's primarily a linguistic/ethnolinguistic category, not a single racial or religious group.
Peoples included: historically and today, Semitic-speaking peoples include Jews, Arabs, many peoples of the Levant and parts of the Horn of Africa and Mesopotamia.
Not synonymous with religion: being a Semite is not the same as being Jewish; Jews are one Semitic-origin people but Semitic peoples also include many non-Jewish groups (e.g., Arabs, Ethiopians).
Modern usage: in contemporary discourse "antisemitism" specifically refers to hostility toward Jews, even though the literal term would cover other Semitic peoples; the accepted definition and use of "antisemitism" is focused on anti-Jewish bias.
The reason it's seldom used against Muslims is that Semitic Arabs mix with other peoples as far as Europe, Russia, parts of Asia (especially Indonesia) and Africa. They are no longer strictly a linguistic or racial group. So we kinda have to refer to the people who tend to stick to that region and that language. But many Muslims don't speak Arabic much at all.
We could as soon say "I'm not antisemitic, I just think the nation of Iran shouldn't exist!"
But I'm a whole hell of a lot more honest about what I think should happen to Iran, and you can read my signature if you're confused about it.
Israel should be a land of the Jews, Iran should be the land of the Zoroastrians, and Muslims can fuck off and go be Bedouins and Nabataeans again.
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The reason it's seldom used against Muslims is that Semitic Arabs mix with other peoples as far as Europe, Russia, parts of Asia (especially Indonesia) and Africa.
Unlike Jews who never left the Levant and never mixed with anyone, especially not anyone from Europe or Russia.
But many Muslims don't speak Arabic much at all.
Wow, I wonder if that has something to do with the fact that most Muslims aren't Arabs.
We could as soon say "I'm not antisemitic, I just think the nation of Iran shouldn't exist!"
I've no idea what you are trying to say.
Israel should be a land of the Jews, Iran should be the land of the Zoroastrians, and Muslims can fuck off and go be Bedouins and Nabataeans again.
lmao
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Well, whatever.
It's not just rare, it doesn't make any sense the way you wrote it.
The point is that in reality, Nazi sympathizers can be dog owners but dog owners may not be Nazi sympathizers.
That literally is an A=B, but not B=A equation.
I'm only engaging with this because Unconvinced thought it would be fun.
No it's not. It's a case of A⊂B but not B⊂A . Look up subsets.
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The reason it's seldom used against Muslims is that Semitic Arabs mix with other peoples as far as Europe, Russia, parts of Asia (especially Indonesia) and Africa.
Unlike Jews who never left the Levant and never mixed with anyone, especially not anyone from Europe or Russia.
But many Muslims don't speak Arabic much at all.
Wow, I wonder if that has something to do with the fact that most Muslims aren't Arabs.
We could as soon say "I'm not antisemitic, I just think the nation of Iran shouldn't exist!"
I've no idea what you are trying to say.
Israel should be a land of the Jews, Iran should be the land of the Zoroastrians, and Muslims can fuck off and go be Bedouins and Nabataeans again.
lmao
That's exactly it, most Muslims aren't Arab, they are Arab conquered people or people who the Arabs mixed with.
The Jews might occasionally mix racially, but you are very much expected to live in Jewishville in America, usually a five block radius in a town where keeping kosher is tightly enforced. You will speak Hebrew (or Yiddish), you will honor the Sabbath. And no eating after midnight, and stay away from water and sunlight.
What I am trying to say is that people here are like " I'm not antisemitic but Israel shouldn't exist." Though this analogy might fall apart for Iran as they are a bit east of the Semitic region.
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speaking out about the actions of Isreal is not antisemitism.
Yes it is.
By definition.
You're an anti-semite by definition.
Like Greta Thunberg.
https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism
”Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.”
The IHRA’s working definition of antisemitism is the closest we have to an internationally recognised definition. Although not everyone agrees with the text.
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The reason it's seldom used against Muslims is that Semitic Arabs mix with other peoples as far as Europe, Russia, parts of Asia (especially Indonesia) and Africa.
Unlike Jews who never left the Levant and never mixed with anyone, especially not anyone from Europe or Russia.
But many Muslims don't speak Arabic much at all.
Wow, I wonder if that has something to do with the fact that most Muslims aren't Arabs.
We could as soon say "I'm not antisemitic, I just think the nation of Iran shouldn't exist!"
I've no idea what you are trying to say.
Israel should be a land of the Jews, Iran should be the land of the Zoroastrians, and Muslims can fuck off and go be Bedouins and Nabataeans again.
lmao
That's exactly it, most Muslims aren't Arab, they are Arab conquered people or people who the Arabs mixed with.
The Jews might occasionally mix racially, but you are very much expected to live in Jewishville in America, usually a five block radius in a town where keeping kosher is tightly enforced. You will speak Hebrew (or Yiddish), you will honor the Sabbath. And no eating after midnight, and stay away from water and sunlight.
What I am trying to say is that people here are like " I'm not antisemitic but Israel shouldn't exist." Though this analogy might fall apart for Iran as they are a bit east of the Semitic region.
When did the Arabs conquer Indonesia or Bosnia?
Who told you most Jews in the US live in Jewishville and speak Hebrew (lol almost none of them speak Hebrew)?
What language do you think Yiddish is more like?
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Conquer?
Islam has three or four tools in its arsenal to take over a land.
1. Outright conquest. This works best when there aren't the trappings of civilization, or if they can convince the public that a land is evil and needs to be fought against.
2. Outbreeding. Muslims have large families with multiple wives. This means one man could have five children with one wife, and about four wives, for about twenty children. Most modern cultures have 1.5 children these days. Pretty soon, the population of non-Muslims is outnumbered.
3. Education. Islam likes to take over the education apparatus, either by building Muslim schools or getting native schools woke enough that they teach Islam.
4. "Minority" "Independence". This is a favorite plan. Instead of overpopulating the population itself, breed with minority groups, and basically take over the minority. Then claim you are oppressed, and that you need to be "free" from the original state. Attack the original state. Pakistan, Palestine, and others have done this.
In history class, the teacher gushed over the "ingenuity" of Muslims.
Basically, the area around Indonesia and the Phillipines had heard what happens to Islamic countries. So they told them, "No, you absolutely cannot build homes on our land." So they built homes on the water, where there were no land rights needed. Yeah, I heard about this, and I didn't see ingenuity, but raw aggression and stubbornness. When insects try to enter the home, you spray repellent, you try to scare them away. You swat near them to try to encourage them to fuck off. When they don't fuck off and insist on trying to chew on the wood in your house, you might have to crush their heads. This is self-defense. When someone/something threatens your homeland and its safety, you have to stop them.
Yes, Israel does have the right to fight against Islamic countries when they behave like this.
I suppose turn the other cheek would be another approach. But this only works on people who have empathy to your suffering. And it's not to be confused with surrender. The West has surrendered, not turned the other cheek.
This is turning the other cheek, and it's the manliest thing you can do. And this is why the Middle East sees us as weak, because we don't show them this.
People think turning the other cheek is a command, like you're not a good Christian if you fight back. But when I was working at the library, they talked about how if a guy with a gun comes in, you should make up your mind what you want to do, so you don't freeze. Usually, it's fight or run. But there are a number of different actions you can do. Jesus taught that one. But if you don't know how to do it well (e.g. it comes across instead as being a doormat), or can't continue until the end, you shouldn't bother. What you do, you should resolve to do quickly.
You can also do nothing when someone threatens you with violence.
But if your loved ones are threatened, sometimes this is no longer really an option.
The Muslims did indeed conquer these countries. Through the use of strategy.
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I always like how you start from a preconception and then manufacture an entire reality to fit your preconception instead of changing it. However you said a bunch of imagined nonsense about Muslims, and I said "Arabs". It seems like you are confused about the difference of these two words.
But you didn't answer the other two questions, I want to see what you invent there.
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2. Outbreeding. Muslims have large families with multiple wives. This means one man could have five children with one wife, and about four wives, for about twenty children. Most modern cultures have 1.5 children these days. Pretty soon, the population of non-Muslims is outnumbered.
Fun fact about polygamy:
Counties can allow a man to have multiple wives, but that doesn’t magic up more women for every man.
Your average family in these places is not one man with four wives, because the number of men and women is generally about equal.
That is neither all Muslim countries or only Muslim countries.
The Catholic Church’s historical opposition to any form or birth control has lead to some very high population growth in many majority Catholic countries. In terms of population growth, it doesn’t really matter who women are married to, just birth rates, infant mortality, death rates, life expectancy and migration.
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I always like how you start from a preconception and then manufacture an entire reality to fit your preconception instead of changing it. However you said a bunch of imagined nonsense about Muslims, and I said "Arabs". It seems like you are confused about the difference of these two words.
But you didn't answer the other two questions, I want to see what you invent there.
Arabs are the original Semitic genetic stock of Islam. But similar to Taylor Swift shedding her Christian country roots to be an urban leftie (paradoxically also being completely dishonest about her own lesbian relationships, and how chummy she is around women vs how much the men she's with look like beards),
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ca/08/a9/ca08a92d33c5bfdb1c87aff559b5c1ea.jpg)
they put spreading their wicked ideology above their own background, stemming from shame about where they really came from.
https://www.soamibooks.com/post/the-pagan-origins-of-eid-and-ramadan-what-islam-doesn-t-tell-you
Yes, your question is about Arabs not Muslims. But while Arabs can be Muslims at a high rate, Muslims are not Arabs. And thus, you can't really make antisemitism about them.
You could kill all Muslims, and it would be about wiping out an ideology, not destroying a race. This is why Trump is wrong if he says that he will have to end the lives of everyone in Iran. He just has to slaughter all the imams, oust the leadership and put them on trial, and burn all the mosques and Qurans. The remaining Iranians, if they aren't too resentful, will instead go worship something else.
Counties can allow a man to have multiple wives, but that doesn’t magic up more women for every man.
If it were about their own women, this is true. However, if they have decided they ate at war with a culture (and they are, anything that isn't Muslim), women are considered spoils. So you know why in Myanmar, the Buddhists are attacking Muslims when Buddhists don't attack anyone? It has to do with outpopulation because their women are stolen. Maybe peaceful Buddhist monks don't want their women raped and their children taught about Allah.
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You’ve never actually met a Muslim person have you?
And what the actual fuck. You talk like a terrorist. You are the religious extremist. I can only hope you are on everyone’s watchlist.
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Classic deflection.
"You are the extremist, you are the terrorist, not us peaceful normal Muslims. And not us peaceful protestors against America, Trump, and Israel. We're normal, you see!" Of course, that seems legit.
For the record, I've met a Muslim gal in college. I got to see how this sweet girl went to the Passover Seder with Jews and Christians, then the Muslim community told her not to associate with those people.
She was around my age, and her first name was Mina. Could this be her?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44496433
Everything I ever needed to know. Islam is a s**t religion that teaches people to behave like psychos.
Remove the religion, and the people go back to normal.
You think I sound like a terrorist? Think about this. I'm talking about killing (maybe) 1% of the population, destroying 100% of the "holy" books, 100% of the "holy" buildings, and leaving the region otherwise intact. You're talking about allowing more than 60% of the Jewish population to be killed so Palestine or Iran or whoever can take that land.
Which matters more? Human lives? Or books and architecture?
I'm maybe on Biden's watchlist, but he thinks people who burn cars are normal and upstanding.
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Yeah, moron. Talking about killing 1% of a population who reads a different holy book to you makes you sound like a terrorist. Far closer to the worst of the jihadists than the vast majority of normal Muslims who just want to get on with their lives not being murdered by stupid sick fuck religious extremists.
Is sweet Mina or any of her family in the 1% of Muslims you want to slaughter in your holy war dreams to wipe out her religion, terrorist?
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Is it 1% of the people? Or 100% of the imams?
Because that 100% of the imams is Middle Eastern countries' 1% (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-are-the-99-percent).
Aren't you the same people who tell us we should take down the wealth elites? Well, these are the religion elites, and they hold 99% of the population in a state of fear with their daily calls to worship.
1% is a high estimate. I'm just talking about removing imams either by arrest or execution. But since imams tend to proselyze in prison, they would have be kept in solitary or killed.
In many Muslim-majority countries there is roughly 1 mosque imam per several hundred to a few thousand congregants. That implies on the order of 0.05%–0.5% of Muslims serve as imams (about 1 in 200–1 in 2,000).
In countries with fewer mosques or more volunteer-led prayers the share is lower; in densely mosque-populated areas it’s higher.
Making a reasonable estimate: Iran population ~88 million (2026). About 99% are Muslim → ~87 million Muslims. Estimates of mosques (2003 data) ~49,000–75,000 (various reports); if each mosque had one imam, that implies 49,000–75,000 imams.
Compute percent:
Lower: 49,000 / 87,000,000 ≈ 0.056% (about 1 in 1,800)
Upper: 75,000 / 87,000,000 ≈ 0.086% (about 1 in 1,160)
So roughly 0.06%–0.09% of Muslims in Iran are imams (order of magnitude: 1 in 1,200–1,800). These are approximate—counts of mosques and imams vary by source and some mosques lack full‑time imams.
Can you live with 0.06-0.09% of the population being arrested or killed? I can. If it saves the rest of the country from calls to martyrdom and war? Yes, the goal of peace involves stopping those who want to make war. 0.09% or potentially everyone?
Would I do the killing? Not a chance. The people of Iran ought to crowd in on their religious leaders and stone them to death.
Iran’s census claims that 99.5% of the population are Muslim, a figure that hides the state’s active hostility toward irreligiosity, conversion and unrecognised religious minorities.
Compared with Iran’s 99.5% census figure, we found that only 40% identified as Muslim.
And of that remaining 40%, 20% more (that isn't 20% of 40%) want an end to the Islamic Republic.
Our surveys consistently show that the majority shares a consensus on what it does not want. Across provinces, rural and urban areas, age groups and gender, roughly 70–80% say they would not vote for the Islamic Republic.
Only 20%. And of the remaining 20%, if they were told that this is an American asking, and the Ayatollah would not find out, likely only 5% really support Islam.
That's not terrorism. That's pest control. If American troops killed just the imams tomorrow, 95% of the population would probably thank us. Probably 5%, that's the highest amount that is likely siding with the Islamic state because they actually firmly believe in it.
By intertwining religion with authoritarian rule, the Islamic Republic has hollowed out Islam. Mosques are often deserted; young women publicly burn their hijabs; street art mocks religious figures. Protest chants like “We don’t want an Islamic Republic!” or “Clerics, get lost!” are not those of a devout majority—but the voice of a population that has rejected religion as tyranny.
The rest are only Muslims because the choice was that and being killed by a bunch of no-account thugs.
When you remove the religious element to this, it's just the 5% thugs which now don't have the religion to hide their psychopathy behind. They are just thugs. They get arrested. The End.
Is sweet Mina or any of her family in the 1% of Muslims you want to slaughter in your holy war dreams to wipe out her religion, terrorist?
Maybe her family, if they led her to throw her life away.
But again, it's not my call.
If Trump were smart, he'd give Iran impossible choice.
"As long as Islam runs your country, it is in danger from war and repression. Surrender your religious leadership to international law now, or the whole country is doomed." Defend the 0.05% to 0.09%? Or get rid of them, their books, and their temples?
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Yes, your question is about Arabs not Muslims. But while Arabs can be Muslims at a high rate, Muslims are not Arabs. And thus, you can't really make antisemitism about them.
Who the fuck told you antisemitism is about Muslims?
You could kill all Muslims, and it would be about wiping out an ideology, not destroying a race.
No, it would be wiping out a religion, plus almost the entirety of multiple "races", whatever that word means to you. Why the fuck are you fantasizing about genocide you weirdo?
The remaining Iranians, if they aren't too resentful, will instead go worship something else.
Most Iranians are Muslim and will not just decide to stop being Muslim because you for some reason decided to burn down all their mosques and kill their priests, what's wrong with you?
Reminder that you still didn't answer, who told you most American Jews live in "Jewishville", strictly kosher, and speak Hebrew, and what language do you think Yiddish is more like?
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You could kill all Muslims, and it would be about wiping out an ideology, not destroying a race.
No, it would be wiping out a religion, plus almost the entirety of multiple "races", whatever that word means to you. Why the fuck are you fantasizing about genocide you weirdo?
Genocide? Whoever said anything about genocide?
Can you live with 0.06-0.09% of the population being arrested or killed? I can.
Let's do a thought experiment here. Let's apply the same mindset as Muslim apocalypse.
Isa will come and break the cross, kill all pigs, and the jihyza will be no more.
In their fantasy, they also want to completely destroy Christianity, genocide an entire animal species, and the do away with the tax on non-Muslims. That's good though, right? Wrong. No tax means you're back to the "convert or die" model, as you would be if they did not (temporarily) consider you people of the book. This is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much harsher than my fantasy.
Let's imagine all of the imams die in the same night Death Note style of some mysterious cause, what would the effect be? Well according to the internet, it would completely destabilize the power base of Muslim countries, leading to infighting that is supposedly stopped by the peaceful presence of imams. Supposing the next night, all Arab madrassas abruptly run short of funds, and are forced to close immediately. And the next night, a fire catches in a library that holds 5/6 of all published Qurans, and only the Qurans are destroyed, with all other books merely charred at the edges. And the next night, the US or Israel is bombing Muslim military targets at night finds a strong wind redirects them to mosques. And every single mosque in the world is destroyed, no matter have far away it is from the Middle East.
The first day, there is no call to worship. The people all think they overslept. Second day, they see it as coincidence. The third day, they think something is weird, but when they go to consult their Quran, they suddenly find they have misplaced it. They ask their friends, and they all misplaced their Qurans. And the fourth day, they go to mosque, and find it is rubble. And the fifth morning? Seeking answers, they will be struck by a general understanding that Allah had no protection over any of these things.
In the same way, God does not keep priests immortal, nor Bibles from decaying, nor churches from falling apart. The Word of God is Jesus, and Jesus alone is eternal. Not the priests, not the teachings, not the temples, God only. If you have your ultimate faith in a square block holding a meteorite, you can expect no protection if God has enough of your crap.
The thing is, "Muslim" countries are realizing this without a single imam being shot. They are seeing how the system is failing them.
Why do the nations say,
“Where is their God?”
3 Our God is in heaven;
he does whatever pleases him.
4 But their idols are silver and gold,
made by human hands.
5 They have mouths, but cannot speak,
eyes, but cannot see.
6 They have ears, but cannot hear,
noses, but cannot smell.
7 They have hands, but cannot feel,
feet, but cannot walk,
nor can they utter a sound with their throats.
8 Those who make them will be like them,
and so will all who trust in them.
These are not sacred people, these are not sacred buildings, and this is definitely not a sacred book. This is a state cult (similar to worship of North Korean leaders) using the term "religion" to hide behind. Supposedly it is a war crime to kill imams and to burn down mosques. Is it a religious crime if we carpet bomb Lil' Kim's house because we finally have enough of his posturing? Don't be absurd. Nobody takes this seriously as a religion. It's a state cult. A belief system for asserting political control over others. Not a means of seeking spiritual growth (which is what religion is for).
You think I relish genocide, but I do not. We are in war with Iran, as part of a far large war with Islam. In war, you can attack every last Muslim, but that is actually the opposite of what is good warfare. Good warfare charges straight to the generals, ends the battle, and takes all of the previous soldiers (except the loyalists) as your troops. This is because warfare that doesn't make you hated as a nation only targets the generals. The generals in this case are not the military leaders (we are thinking about this wrong if we come to that assumption), they are the religious gurus that nurse this warring madness. Russia can do that with Ukraine, but with Islam, exactly targeting these mosques, so-called holy objects, and so-called holy men is the only way to stop this. We have tried for years to attack their military, and it doesn't work.
You can compare the loss of life, and the one more approaching genocide by a fact of about 2000 is attacking regular Iranians. Or do you believe the lives of the imams are worth more than the 2000+ followers each has in a particular mosque?
Kill 2000 people in a single zone in war? Or get 2000 people to surrender because their leader is gone? Which is preferable?
The remaining Iranians, if they aren't too resentful, will instead go worship something else.
Most Iranians are Muslim and will not just decide to stop being Muslim because you for some reason decided to burn down all their mosques and kill their priests, what's wrong with you?
Most Iranians are NOT Muslim. If I was told, "Be a Christian, or you are going to hell," am I not converting to Christianity under duress? Anyone who is Christian because of fear of death does not have their heart in Christ. They are doing what they can to survive.
These are a nation of people who a minority of people has come to them with guns or swords and said "convert or die." They are a nation of people that admits they want the clerics gone. If offered an ultimatum to turn their clerics in, many of them would take the US up on it.
The only difference between imams and Adolf Hitler's generals is that the former are wearing fancy robes, and nobody dares to say "These guys should be tried under international law for crimes against the West and their own country!" But I do. I see them for what they are. Generals in a state cult hiding behind fancy robes to pretend to be religious.
This is a weird sort of genocide, when you don't wipe out any race. When you try to kill 0.09% of a Muslim population. When your target is a specific religious book and specific buildings, not people. When your goal is to dispirit and demoralize living people, not to kill them.
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Bulma keeps ignoring my two questions which is a shame because I bet I would have gotten a very funny reply.
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Questions?
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You could kill all Muslims, and it would be about wiping out an ideology, not destroying a race.
No, it would be wiping out a religion, plus almost the entirety of multiple "races", whatever that word means to you. Why the fuck are you fantasizing about genocide you weirdo?
Genocide? Whoever said anything about genocide?
We all know that you seem to have your own definitions for lots of common words, so what do you think genocide means?
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Questions?
Yeah, for instance I want you to tell me what language you think Yiddish is more like.
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It's about 80% spoken German influence with 100% of the Hebrew alphabet. So that averages 90% Jewish.
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speaking out about the actions of Isreal is not antisemitism.
Yes it is.
By definition.
You're an anti-semite by definition.
Like Greta Thunberg.
https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism
”Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.”
The IHRA’s working definition of antisemitism is the closest we have to an internationally recognised definition. Although not everyone agrees with the text.
So Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens aren't anti-semitic because they just criticise Israel?
You dont believe your own talk.
Anti-semite means someone who challenges jewish power. That's the definition.
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Anti-semite means someone who challenges jewish power.
Jewish power or Jewish people?
That's the definition.
Maybe your definition, but not anyone else's.
Antisemitism means prejudice against or hatred of Jews.
"Anti-Semitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-Semitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities." --Working Definition of Anti-Semitism by the European Monitoring Center on Racism and Xenophobia
BTW...
ADL has adopted the spelling of “antisemitism” instead of “anti-Semitism.” After reviewing the history and consulting with other leading experts, we’ve determined that this is the best way to refer to hatred toward Jews.
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Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson arent anti-semites
Ok cool.
I agree.
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Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson aren't antisemites because they criticize Israel. They are antisemites because they criticize Jewish people.
Ok cool.
I agree.
I thought you might.
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Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson aren't antisemites.
Ok cool.
I agree.
I thought you might.
So why does everyone call them anti-semites when by the definitions you posted they are not anti-semites?
How does someone who is by your definition not anti-semitic win the prestigious and coveted "anti-semite of the year" award?
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I dont understand why you let it dig holes, Jura. It doesn't even have hands.
If this continues I'll ask anyone to cite anything anti-semitic Tucker Carlson has ever said, you will be unable to provide a citation which isnt just Tucker criticizing Israel as a nation state, so you will personally attack me and call me an anti-semite, while never backing down on the fact you think Tucker is an anti-semite, even though all he does is criticise Israel.
Which your bot just tried to say isnt anti-semitism, by definition. This is a classic example of wanting to have your cake and eat it too.
You want to say that it's not anti-semitic to criticize Israel, but you also want to call people who've done nothing except criticise Israel anti-semitic. The problem is once you've eaten your cake, or in this case definition, you cant have your cake anymore, because youve already eaten it, or in this case defined it.
Inb4 its not your bot.
45000 posts and it hasn't disagreed with you once. Not on anything, not ever. This isn't possible even for identical twins. You work as a perfect unit which is only theoretically possible for humans.
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So why does everyone call them anti-semites when by the definitions you posted they are not anti-semites?
How does someone who is by your definition not anti-semitic win the prestigious and coveted "anti-semite of the year" award?
Probably because of their antisemitic rhetoric.
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Probably because of their antisemitic rhetoric.
Sigh...
I dont understand why you let it dig holes, Jura. It doesn't even have hands.
If this continues I'll ask anyone to cite anything anti-semitic Tucker Carlson has ever said, you will be unable to provide a citation which isnt just Tucker criticizing Israel as a nation state, so you will personally attack me and call me an anti-semite, while never backing down on the fact you think Tucker is an anti-semite, even though all he does is criticise Israel.
Cite one anti-semitic thing Tucker Carlson has ever said.
Go on then.
I'll wait.
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Cite one anti-semitic thing Tucker Carlson has ever said.
Sorry, can't help. I don't listen to what Tucker Carlson says.
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So why does everyone call them anti-semites when by the definitions you posted they are not anti-semites?
How does someone who is by your definition not anti-semitic win the prestigious and coveted "anti-semite of the year" award?
Probably because of their antisemitic rhetoric.
Cite one anti-semitic thing Tucker Carlson has ever said.
Sorry, I don't listen to what Tucker Carlson says.
So what gave you the confidence to declare he uses anti-semitic rhetoric?
Is this really your best, Markjo?
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Anti-semite means someone who challenges jewish power.
Jewish power or Jewish people?
That's the definition.
Maybe your definition, but not anyone else's.
Antisemitism means prejudice against or hatred of Jews.
"Anti-Semitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-Semitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities." --Working Definition of Anti-Semitism by the European Monitoring Center on Racism and Xenophobia
BTW...
ADL has adopted the spelling of “antisemitism” instead of “anti-Semitism.” After reviewing the history and consulting with other leading experts, we’ve determined that this is the best way to refer to hatred toward Jews.
You think there is a distinction being antisemitism against Jews and against Israel. That in itself is antisemitic.
"Anti-Semitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-Semitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities." --Working Definition of Anti-Semitism by the European Monitoring Center on Racism and Xenophobia
Attacking a Jew is antisemitic
Attacking a synagogue is antisemitic (unlike attacking a mosque, because fuck Islam)
Attacking or opposing the state of Israel is antisemitic
Why do you have trouble with this concept?
The state of Israel is the property of the Jewish people. In fact, God's original promise is from the river of Egypt to the Euphrates. That land as absolutely enormous, and is nothing at all like the bullshit pittance that the UN squawks at, as though it is too much.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3a/1d/53/3a1d533ef7da4939da4ab423dfb68721.jpg)
The people of Israel have for years taken far less than God has promised them, while the Muslim state continues to take and take, and nobody calls them out on it.
The Lord sent Nathan to David. When he came to him, he said, “There were two men in a certain town, one rich and the other poor. 2 The rich man had a very large number of sheep and cattle, 3 but the poor man had nothing except one little ewe lamb he had bought. He raised it, and it grew up with him and his children. It shared his food, drank from his cup and even slept in his arms. It was like a daughter to him.
4 “Now a traveler came to the rich man, but the rich man refrained from taking one of his own sheep or cattle to prepare a meal for the traveler who had come to him. Instead, he took the ewe lamb that belonged to the poor man and prepared it for the one who had come to him.”
5 David burned with anger against the man and said to Nathan, “As surely as the Lord lives, the man who did this must die! 6 He must pay for that lamb four times over, because he did such a thing and had no pity.”
As the Lord lives, the man who did this must die, because he did such a thing and had no pity.
A person who takes the rightful property of another and abuses it desires death. I have a Jewish friend, and I happen to know that he would NEVER demand that land. This is precisely why the Lord ought to give it to him. Humble people deserve me than they ask. Greedy and arrogant people deserve far less. His people have been abused their entire existence for little more than asking for land of their own where they can be safe, whereas the Muslim people play the victim while they have made war against the world for nearly two millennia.
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You think there is a distinction being antisemitism against Jews and against Israel. That in itself is antisemitic.
Who couldn't see this coming...
Anyway.
Is this really your best, Markjo?
Apparently it is. I think we have come full circle.
Anti-semite means someone who challenges jewish power. That's the definition.
Maybe Zionist power would be more accurate because lots of Jews I respect are called anti-semites by Zionists. I'm willing to be fair.
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It's about 80% spoken German influence with 100% of the Hebrew alphabet. So that averages 90% Jewish.
Ok, idk what kind of math that was, but can you explain to me how the ultra-pure "semite" Jews who are not like the dirty Arabs who went all over the place and mingled with others, ended up speaking a language that is, as you said, 80% German?
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It's about 80% spoken German influence with 100% of the Hebrew alphabet. So that averages 90% Jewish.
Ok, idk what kind of math that was, but can you explain to me how the ultra-pure "semite" Jews who are not like the dirty Arabs who went all over the place and mingled with others, ended up speaking a language that is, as you said, 80% German?
See this is far more classically anti-semitic than criticism of Israel. Saying that jews aren't semites is much more of an anti-semitic trope than anything Tucker has ever said.
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So what gave you the confidence to declare he uses anti-semitic rhetoric?
If I was making a confident declaration, I wouldn’t have said “probably”. However, knowing his reputation, I wouldn’t put it past him.
I wasn’t trying to defend or accuse Tucker. I was just challenging your personal definition of “antisemite”.
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I wasn’t trying to defend or accuse Tucker.
You said that Tucker Carlson uses anti-semitic rhetoric. Do you know what "accuse" means?
I don't think you do.
Anyway I'll let you and Bulma hate on anti-semites together for a bit. Might check in later when Jura clocks on.
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Do you know what “probably” means? I think you do and just chose to ignore it, and lots of other words just to stir some shit for your own personal lolz.
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It's about 80% spoken German influence with 100% of the Hebrew alphabet. So that averages 90% Jewish.
Ok, idk what kind of math that was, but can you explain to me how the ultra-pure "semite" Jews who are not like the dirty Arabs who went all over the place and mingled with others, ended up speaking a language that is, as you said, 80% German?
See this is far more classically anti-semitic than criticism of Israel. Saying that jews aren't semites is much more of an anti-semitic trope than anything Tucker has ever said.
I'm not saying Jews aren't semites or whatever, it's a silly word after all. But Bulma is saying some wild stuff about Jews being semites because they never branched out or some shit, while Arabs mingled too much with other people.
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Well isn't that the entire argument?
It's anti-semitic to say that jews aren't semites because it denies the fact that they are the uncorrupted, undiluted and unbroken seed of Abraham Isaac and Jacob and God's special, holy and exalted chosen people.
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The concept of race is idiocy to anyone with the slightest knowledge of history or genetics, my daughter and her boyfriend did one of those gene tests and surprise, they were a mix of Anglo-Saxon, northern French, German, Scandinavian and Irish, but what does that even mean, all of those places were made up of swathes of different peoples heading north and east after the ice age, of intermarrying, captured enemies and rapes.
If you look at the middle east and the Jewish diasporas, the rule by Ottoman Muslims from the 14th century until the end of the 1st world war, with varying degrees of protection and restriction, a great many jews converted to Islam, and a great many jews who had lived in Europe and Asia minor intermarried before returning.
Not only is there no Jewish “race”, many of those they are fighting have the same blood and ancestry.
Only a complete moron or religious fanatic (interchangeable) would try to plot a Jewish homeland based on books of iron-age mythology.
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It's about 80% spoken German influence with 100% of the Hebrew alphabet. So that averages 90% Jewish.
Ok, idk what kind of math that was, but can you explain to me how the ultra-pure "semite" Jews who are not like the dirty Arabs who went all over the place and mingled with others, ended up speaking a language that is, as you said, 80% German?
80% German... yet entirely uses the Hebrew alphabet.
This is the song that never ends, it goes on and on my friend...
Das ist das Lied, das niemals endet; es geht immer weiter, mein Freund...
זה השיר שלא נגמר לעולם, הוא ממשיך ונמשך ידידי...
דאָס איז דאָס ליד וואָס ענדיגט זיך קיינמאָל נישט, עס גייט ווייטער און ווייטער, מיין פרייַנד...
Now Arabic
هذه هي الأغنية التي لا تنتهي، إنها تستمر وتستمر يا صديقي...
versus Indonesian...
Ini adalah lagu yang tak pernah berakhir, terus berlanjut tanpa henti, kawan...
Javanese...
Iki lagu sing ora bakal rampung, terus lan terus, kancaku...
Malay...
Lagu ini tak pernah berakhir, ia berterusan, kawanku...
Sundanese...
Ieu lagu anu teu pernah réngsé, terus lumangsung sobat kuring...
Taylor Swift. These dirty Arabs, in pursuit of an ideology, lost their roots. The sold their souls to spread a malignant teaching, so nothing Semitic remains. Just like this deeply unhappy woman who has to pretend for the public. She can't be too conservative, nor follow the religious tradition of her parents, nor even be a good honest lesbian. She has sold out, and like sell outs everywhere, the result is bland.
Islam imposes a bland version of itself with none of the culture that gave birth to it. In fact, it restricts culture such as song or dance as "immoral." They don't share anything of themselves, just a command to submit. But submit to what? You haven't even figured out yourselves yet!
It's anti-semitic to say that jews aren't semites because it denies the fact that they are the uncorrupted, undiluted and unbroken seed of Abraham Isaac and Jacob and God's special, holy and exalted chosen people.
If it is, they are using the same racist standard as the Nazis.
It's not about race. It's about language and the history of their people. The Jews don't consider anyone that didn't head to Israel a Jew. They don't consider anyone who didn't get caught up in Babylonian captivity a Jew. They don't consider those who only have the first five books a Jew. These were called Samarians. They don't consider people who accepted Jesus as Messiah a Jew, even if they accept kosher and everything else.
The Bible isn't Iron Age mythology. It is about the abiding promise of a God who created the Heaven and the Earth. And the Jewish struggle against false gods, who call themselves Master instead of Lord. Baal is basically the same word as Lord, but the tone is about submission to him. But the actual God has a different name. I Am. The real phrase for "I Am that I Am" was ani meh shani but because of the cult of Yahweh (a Canaanite god, the same culture that had the Baals) they changed the language to 'ehye 'ăšer 'ehye to support the YHWH interpretation, which was from an already existing favored god. But this is not in fact who Moses saw on the mountain. It is precisely because of that, that the Jews won't accept the Messiah. The Jews are a Yahweh cult, they have been struggling for years to reconnect with the one who spoke to Abraham and Isaac, Jacob who wrestled with him, and Daniel's people who were rescued by him from a furnace.
But the God who created everything doesn't demand they do. The actual Iron Age culture is the one that still enforced brutal obedience. We have evolved past this to a God who wants us to love him/her/they, not because you are forced to, but because everything in life is a blessing.
"No longer shall you call me Lord but Husband." This passage makes no sense in Hebrew, because Husband is beall which also means owner/master, and has the same similar root as Baal. This is how language props up old ideas. The old worship of a god who is Law, is the same whether called Allah or Yahweh. These are not God. But the Jews are intended to rediscover God, and in that day call him My Love.
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Not only is there no Jewish “race”, many of those they are fighting have the same blood and ancestry.
Only a complete moron or religious fanatic (interchangeable) would try to plot a Jewish homeland based on books of iron-age mythology.
See this is thousands of times more anti-semitic than anything Tucker has ever said.
But did Jura or Pez win the prestigious and coveted "anti-semite of the year award"? No, it was Tucker Carlson who has only ever criticised Israel as a nation state.
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Here's a quick rundown on the anti-semitic tropes Jura and Pez are pushing here.
https://www.israelfactcheck.com/jewish-indigenous-origins-debunking-antisemitic-myths
The Jews are a distinct race of people indigenous to Israel. They can trace their ancestry back to the Levant.
Multiple peer-reviewed genetic studies published in leading scientific journals including Nature, Science, and the American Journal of Human Genetics have definitively proven that Jewish populations worldwide share common Middle Eastern ancestry. These studies demonstrate that Ashkenazi, Sephardic, and Mizrahi Jewish communities all trace their origins to the ancient Levant.
The genetic evidence shows that despite geographic separation lasting centuries, Jewish populations from different regions of the diaspora maintain distinct Middle Eastern genetic markers that differentiate them from their European, North African, and Middle Eastern host populations. This genetic continuity confirms historical accounts of common origin and forced dispersion.
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Yes, they have a distinct haplogroup from more of the population. But the thing that makes them Jewish is their culture.
"From these stones, the Lord can raise up children of Israel."
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You still didn't answer, how did it happen that this big part of this supposedly ultra pure, 100% undiluted semitic "Jewish race", or whatever it is that you have in mind, that never mingles with anyone else and never alters their identity in the slightest, unlike those dirty dirty arabs, end up with a language that is, as you say, 80% German (what language it is written in is irrelevant, since it was hardly ever written down for most of its history)?
They don't consider anyone who didn't get caught up in Babylonian captivity a Jew.
TIL there are no Jews in the world.
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Nuh uh! There are super-pure Jews that speak Hebrew and inbreed like crazy.
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I feel like we are getting off topic here, by design. But I'd like to point out one more time that Tucker has never pushed the anti-semitic tropes that Jura and Pez are pushing here.
Here's a quick rundown on the anti-semitic tropes Jura and Pez are pushing here.
https://www.israelfactcheck.com/jewish-indigenous-origins-debunking-antisemitic-myths
The Jews are a distinct race of people indigenous to Israel. They can trace their ancestry back to the Levant.
Multiple peer-reviewed genetic studies published in leading scientific journals including Nature, Science, and the American Journal of Human Genetics have definitively proven that Jewish populations worldwide share common Middle Eastern ancestry. These studies demonstrate that Ashkenazi, Sephardic, and Mizrahi Jewish communities all trace their origins to the ancient Levant.
The genetic evidence shows that despite geographic separation lasting centuries, Jewish populations from different regions of the diaspora maintain distinct Middle Eastern genetic markers that differentiate them from their European, North African, and Middle Eastern host populations. This genetic continuity confirms historical accounts of common origin and forced dispersion.
However it was Tucker and not Jura or Pez that won the prestigious and coveted "anti-semite of the year" award.
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You wuz robbed!
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I can't believe there's a poll asking about support for 'Mustache Man'
Not a fan of him, and there's only 1 no answer in that poll and many yes answers.
I'd vote a second, simpler answer: "I don't". The 2 countries for the no vote are powerful countries yes, but I don't think any country on Earth is truly perfect. And iirc, God chose people from around the world to do God's will.
Speaking of perfect, what is needed for a country to be perfect?
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I can't believe there's a poll asking about support for 'Mustache Man'
Its because people want to frame the argument as if you dont support Israels genocide then you support Hitler.
You, obviously dont support Hitler therefore you must support the genocide justifiable self defense Israel is committing in Palestine.
Thats the angle.
I used to get banned a lot for "inciting genocide" when I spoke out against demographic changing mass immigration before it was popular to do so, and now Bulma is literally like "why don't we just kill all the Muslims" and no one really seems to think its that bad of an idea.
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Also, a reminder that this is why FVEY are particularly mad at me.
I dont understand why you let it dig holes, Jura. It doesn't even have hands.
If this continues I'll ask anyone to cite anything anti-semitic Tucker Carlson has ever said, you will be unable to provide a citation which isnt just Tucker criticizing Israel as a nation state, so you will personally attack me and call me an anti-semite, while never backing down on the fact you think Tucker is an anti-semite, even though all he does is criticise Israel.
Which your bot just tried to say isnt anti-semitism, by definition. This is a classic example of wanting to have your cake and eat it too.
You want to say that it's not anti-semitic to criticize Israel, but you also want to call people who've done nothing except criticise Israel anti-semitic. The problem is once you've eaten your cake, or in this case definition, you cant have your cake anymore, because youve already eaten it, or in this case defined it.
Inb4 its not your bot.
45000 posts and it hasn't disagreed with you once. Not on anything, not ever. This isn't possible even for identical twins. You work as a perfect unit which is only theoretically possible for humans.
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Do you ever stop talking about Tucker for even 5 minutes?
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Yeah sometimes for several minutes at a time.
Tucker is doing more to fight against genocide than any of the snivelling, cowardly "social justice" warriors you might respect more than Tucker.
In any case my point was that Markjo, who speaks for most of you, said that criticism of Israel isnt anti-semitic and yet Tucker Carlson won the prestigious and coveted anti-semite of the year award. Just for criticising Israel.
It could perhaps be because jewish, and non jewish zionists use the word "anti-semitism" as a weapon, maybe you could even call it a "trick" to attack anyone thats critical of Zionism, or in this case genocide.
Shall we argue about trangender rights while an actual genocide that western governments are funding is happening? Perhaps we should. Who am I to say.
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Yeah I remember when he did so much to fight genocide, by campaigning for Trump.
Meanwhile all that the sniveling, cowardly SJWs did was hop on a flotilla to break the blockade and get tortured by Israel.
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Yeah I remember when he did so much to fight genocide, by campaigning for Trump.
Trump never genocided anyone you hystercial woman.
I respect Greta Thunberg, in case it wasnt obvious. I think she's brave.
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Trump is currently attempting to genocide Cuba, and also helped Israel genocide Palestinians, plus went on a war with them to destroy Iran.
It's not just Greta y'know. There were many people on that boat, and the many other boats, plus the March to Gaza people. I personally know a couple of them. We've had disagreements about some things but I respect them for doing it, I wouldn't have done it, you wouldn't have done it, and Tucker definitely wouldn't have done it.
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Trump is currently attempting to genocide Cuba
Is this just bait Pez?
Words mean things and when we try to change their meaning for temporary expediency and dramatic effect the meaning eventually becomes lost.
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No, it's not bait, it's simply that it has been buried under the news so much for some reason that people don't realize what's happening. On top of the embargo that was already in place, Trump has been enforcing a comprehensive energy blockade on the country, banning any other country from giving them oil. You know what that means for a small island nation right? They have hardly had electricity for many months now. Many thousands have died already, and it will get worse. Cuba's infant mortality has skyrocketed to 10%, many people are dying in hospitals due to blackouts, even transporting the food they get as aid is hard when you have no gas. This kind of "siege" of a whole country has never been done in the 21st century (other than Gaza), but it's being ignored.
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Huh, they are actually reasonable points I cant be bothered to check the validity of. So I'll trust you, maybe I was a little ignorant on whats happening in Cuba. That does sound like a targetted attack on a population group. Its definitely not getting talked about enough.
Pez we've known each other for over a decade and do you know how many honest conversations we've had without the layers, upon layers, upon layers of the psychological games that are played here?
Sometimes when I talk to you it feels like I'm talking to Jura.
Edit.
Had to count on my fingers again.
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It's morning and I'm going to work. I'm not sure what psychological games you are talking about but I'm not in the mood for them.
Anyways the UN has written about it now, even though it's rather limited in scope. https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/06/1167671
It's really bad, Cuba is now saying they're gonna do reforms to make it easier for Miami Cubans to invest because apparently this is all about the investments of Marco Rubio and his friends. But it's not letting up so far. Trump is salty about Iran so he's lashing out at Cuba, trying to force a "win" there by holding their entire population hostage.
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The games where everything has to be a tactical attack. You're not so much less intelligent than me that you don't notice.
I've had to count on my fingers twice today.
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Which part was a "tactical attack"?
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You want the subtle one or the obtuse one?
I agree that all those people who went on the flotillas to Israel are brave, the "snivelling cowards" I was referring to were journalists.
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You said "snivelling cowardly SJWs" that I "probably respect more". I don't know who that is exactly. I told you what the people I respect did.
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Sure and that's fair.
I was referring to other journalists that love to talk about low hanging fruit but dont want to talk about the genocide happening in Palestine. Or apparently the severe human rights violations and war crimes happening in Cuba.
I'm not unreasonable Pez.
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Ok but you know I don't like or respect these journalists. I've said before that I don't terribly like any US political commentators. I was thinking about this recently and I think there's a few people in the Intercept who are alright, at least for certain topics. Chris Hedges too.
I guess there aren't technically war crimes against Cuba since Trump is only threatening to invade them and massing ships around Cuba, he hasn't YET tried to invade. I guess what he's doing isn't technically genocide or whatever, but it is a crime against humanity that should have secured him a trip to the Hague but we all know that won't happen.
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Ok but you know I don't like or respect these journalists.
Ok yeah that one is on me.
People attack Tucker unfairly on the left and on the right. I brought him up because as I said Tucker won anti-semite of the year just for criticising Israel. Which is apparently not anti-semitic. I believe Greta won a similar award. Because you know Zionists call people anti-semites in order to attack people critical of Zionism, or in this case genocide.
I guess there aren't technically war crimes against Cuba since Trump is only threatening to invade them and massing ships around Cuba, he hasn't YET tried to invade. I guess what he's doing isn't technically genocide or whatever, but it is a crime against humanity that should have secured him a trip to the Hague but we all know that won't happen.
That's a fair point again, see I learned something and we came to a better understanding of a situation together. That's better than a zero sum game.
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Greta Thunberg beat Tucker Carlson in the list of the Israeli government. She was #2, he was #10. Then Bassem Youssef of all people was #3. #1 was some random influencer I've never heard of (Dan Bilzerian).
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Greta Thunberg beat Tucker Carlson in the list of the Israeli government. She was #2, he was #10.
Someone better tell Tucker those are rookie numbers.
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I can't believe there's a poll asking about support for 'Mustache Man'
Its because people want to frame the argument as if you dont support Israels genocide then you support Hitler.
I used to get banned a lot for "inciting genocide" when I spoke out against demographic changing mass immigration before it was popular to do so, and now Bulma is literally like "why don't we just kill all the Muslims" and no one really seems to think its that bad of an idea.
(1) Those were kiddo forums, not ones run by real men like SpaceCowgirl. I've been to such forums, where they held everyone's hand and expected them to all agree, and overzealous nanny admins banned people for starting arguments. These same forums banned me for "spreading misinformation" when I told people, "Can we all calm down about COVID and look at what we actually see? Which is nothing?"
(2) What I actually said is we shut down Islam. If you had people arrest its religious leaders for inciting terrorist action, you would not even need to kill anyone. But for the rest of their life, they would need to be imprisoned in a space where there is nobody to convert. Maybe a prison run by deaf mutes and filled with nothing but imams. I think the word I am looking for is "fate worse than death", wherein it is far kinder to kill them than have them listen to each other try to tell the true Islam story to equally proselytizing jerks.
(3) Genocide is from two words "race" "murder". Muslims are not a race. Jews mix far less with a culture than do Muslims, to the point where barely German Hitler proposed a test that seemed designed to make the SS come for him. Certain hair and eye phenotypes are more common among the Jewish people. Killing Jews is genocide, the Jews killing others could just be war. It's a word thrown around, but when people don't understand what it means, it's worthless. Killing a bunch of people is a decimation not a genocide. Wiping out the Maori people, the Hutus or the Tutsis or the Zulu is genocide.
Blockading Cuba's energy and having smartphone kids die is just survival of the fittest. Smartphone kids are losers. Anyone who has basic skills can open a can of tuna, if not hunt, fish, or gather berries.