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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: zach3792 on February 07, 2007, 03:32:09 PM

Title: LOGIC??
Post by: zach3792 on February 07, 2007, 03:32:09 PM
Since us RE'ers have found very many faults in your logic, how is it  that you have failed to find fault in ours?
Title: LOGIC??
Post by: cmdshft on February 07, 2007, 03:33:13 PM
Read the FAQ, and click the link in my sig for some very important information.

Once you follow one of those instructions, you'll notice that FE'ers have indeed found faults.
Title: LOGIC??
Post by: zach3792 on February 07, 2007, 03:42:32 PM
and those are ?
Title: LOGIC??
Post by: Dioptimus Drime on February 07, 2007, 03:45:26 PM
...:lol:


*headdesk*

~D-Draw
Title: LOGIC??
Post by: Tom Bishop on February 07, 2007, 03:48:15 PM
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and those are ?


1. The mechanism for gravity in the RE model is unknown.

2. The reason for the moon looking bigger near the horizon is not described.

3. Ships seem to fade out past the horizon in some cases, and sink into it in others.
Title: LOGIC??
Post by: zach3792 on February 07, 2007, 03:56:30 PM
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and those are ?


1. The mechanism for gravity in the RE model is unknown.


Physics anyone ?

2. The reason for the moon looking bigger near the horizon is not described.

it's closer to the earth than the sun, it is a natural satellite of the earth, we are a natural satellite of the sun... a star

3. Ships seem to fade out past the horizon in some cases, and sink into it in others.

ships sink into the horizon due to the curvature of the earth... other than that... have a visit to the eye doctor.
Title: LOGIC??
Post by: Dioptimus Drime on February 07, 2007, 03:59:57 PM
Quote from: "zach3792"
Physics anyone ?

What physics? Are you saying that you can explain gravity? If you could, you could head of a huge scientific leap in the research of hypothetical sub-atomic particles.

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it's closer to the earth than the sun, it is a natural satellite of the earth, we are a natural satellite of the sun... a star

Why?

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ships sink into the horizon due to the curvature of the earth... other than that... have a visit to the eye doctor.

So, I assume you have first-hand experience in going to the beach and seeing this phenomenon, and numerous times, seeing as you're so confident in your knowledge.

~D-Draw
Title: LOGIC??
Post by: Tom Bishop on February 07, 2007, 04:03:52 PM
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Physics anyone ?


Physics has not found the mechanism for gravity.

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it's closer to the earth than the sun, it is a natural satellite of the earth, we are a natural satellite of the sun... a star


I'm not talking about the moon compared to the sun. I'm talking about the moon illusion where it appears larger near the horizon compared to when it's overhead.

(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4124/moonsketchsc3.gif)

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ships sink into the horizon due to the curvature of the earth... other than that... have a visit to the eye doctor
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Ships always seem to fade out to me.
Title: LOGIC??
Post by: cmdshft on February 07, 2007, 04:05:21 PM
Magnification. It has farther to go to reach our eyes, and so undergoes slight maginfication, appearing larger.
Title: LOGIC??
Post by: zach3792 on February 07, 2007, 04:08:31 PM
You obviously are one of a feeble mind and a low intelligence quotient.
Title: LOGIC??
Post by: cmdshft on February 07, 2007, 04:11:07 PM
Who, me?

Why don't you do a search of CharlesJohnson's posts, or EvilToothPaste's posts? You'll eventually come across a thread which shows this as truth. Plus, have you ever looked into the reason why it looks larger near the horizon and then reduces it's size as it transcends into the sky? Because it's, you know, one of those 4th grade type things...
Title: LOGIC??
Post by: manta_ray007 on February 07, 2007, 04:33:07 PM
Quote from: "Tom Bishop"
2. The reason for the moon looking bigger near the horizon is not described.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_illusion

There's several explanations, but in the end, it comes down to this:

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_110.html

Quote from: "Cecil Adams"
[T]he effect is an optical illusion. If you measure the moon with a ruler held at arm's length (a paper clip bent into the shape of a calipers will also work), you'll find it's always the same size no matter where it happens to be in the sky.
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I got up at several points during the night recently and tried the paper-clip caliper test described earlier to measure the size of the moon's image as it sank toward the horizon. The illusion of great size was compelling toward the end, but it disappeared as soon as I held up the paper clip and confirmed that the size of the lunar image was unchanged.
Title: LOGIC??
Post by: Tom Bishop on February 07, 2007, 04:48:05 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_illusion


All of those solutions rely on human psychology. None can explain why the moon still appears large when photographed.

Also, the blurb you quoted does not describe the mechanism for the effect at all.
Title: LOGIC??
Post by: manta_ray007 on February 07, 2007, 04:56:15 PM
Quote from: "Tom Bishop"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_illusion


All of those solutions rely on human psychology. None can explain why the moon still appears large when photographed.


Does it?  Show me a time-lapse photograph of the moon getting bigger.

Quote from: "Tom Bishop"
Also, the blurb you quoted does not describe the mechanism for the effect at all.


The link is much longer than that, with an explanation of the mechanism.  I cut out the mechanism part, because it wasn't relevant.  It's psychological.  I would show a time-lapse photo from NASA's website showing the moon descending to the horizon and not getting any larger, but NASA's in on the conspiracy, aren't they?