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Title: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Space Cowgirl on November 06, 2022, 06:15:19 AM
All the predictions are for the Republicans to retake the House, and probably the Senate.

I can't help but be pissed at Democrats for funding right wing weirdos. I don't even want to know how many of them are set to win their general elections. https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2022/07/democrats-spend-millions-on-republican-primaries/ 
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Bullwinkle on November 06, 2022, 06:38:05 AM
Silly democrats. 
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Crouton on November 06, 2022, 08:30:18 AM
From what I can tell it's more random than it appears.

But yes, GOP will almost certainly take the house.  I'm predicting somewhere between 3 and 8 impeachments for Biden.  Possibly multiple impeachments for his cabinet as well.

Also the greatest legislative achievement for the next two years will be keeping the government funded.  So sort of like Trump's last two years.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Lorddave on November 06, 2022, 09:25:05 AM
I predict Trump will announce his candicy IF THEY WIN!
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Space Cowgirl on November 06, 2022, 09:34:42 AM
I think he pretty much announced his candidacy when he tested out a nickname for DeSantis.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 06, 2022, 12:53:27 PM
If dems know the winds blowing are for repugs to win a seat - isn't it better for them to have a non Qanon Trump cultist moron? Someone they could work with? It's like get a reasonable and mature repug vs someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene. Who would you rather work with lol

I can't think of any other reason for one side to fund the candidacy of the other side

I guess it's weird because most other nations don't have bat shit crazies in their main political parties that can do some real damage like support an insurrection.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Lorddave on November 06, 2022, 12:57:56 PM
I think he pretty much announced his candidacy when he tested out a nickname for DeSantis.
Ooohh.  What did he call him?
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Space Cowgirl on November 06, 2022, 02:49:21 PM
I think he pretty much announced his candidacy when he tested out a nickname for DeSantis.
Ooohh.  What did he call him?

Ron DeSanctimonious! lol



Shifter, the Dems dumped all that money into the kookiest Republican campaigns because they thought their Dem candidates would have a better chance winning against the crazies. I don't know if those crazies are now in the lead or not, but it wouldn't surprise me if some of them were. People are attracted to populist weirdos right now.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on November 06, 2022, 04:00:23 PM
From what I can tell it's more random than it appears.

But yes, GOP will almost certainly take the house.  I'm predicting somewhere between 3 and 8 impeachments for Biden.  Possibly multiple impeachments for his cabinet as well.

Also the greatest legislative achievement for the next two years will be keeping the government funded.  So sort of like Trump's last two years.

I predict the Democrats will try to cheat, actually. Biden basically said when one country basically rigged the election (I think it was Venezuela), that it was a crime to talk about it. I think they'll try to cheat, and try to make it a criminal offense to protest the results (even verbally).

The GOP needs to win, because Democrats are out of control. In a fact and honest election, yes, I wouldn't care who won. I wouldn't in fact even vote. Leftism and rightism are okay, but the US is getting close to a violent socialist regime, and is trying to do it very very quickly, because they know that their time is limited to have this sort of chance.

The US needs a centrist government. It is very far from that right now.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 06, 2022, 05:02:08 PM
OUR DEMOCRACY IS AT STAKE!!!

You beat me to making the thread.

I think the Dems keep the house and senate. I think it's naive to assume a Republican victory or swing.

They are all controlled by the same donors anyway.

Who's going to protest the result this time?
Yeah, I didn't think so.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Rayzor on November 06, 2022, 05:15:53 PM
I predict a Dem landslide,  led by women voters and the 18-20 age group.

How DeSantis does will be interesting.  Since Trump has openly come out against him.   He will probably win against  Crist since he's currently about 11 point up according to 538. But if he wins by anything much less than say 5 points,  he will blame Trump. 

I think Warnock will win in Georgia,  but I feel sad that we will lose the entainment value of Hershel Walker.   ( He's great for a laugh and making everyone else feel smart).

The recent attempt by the GOP to flood the zone with shitty partisan polls is a weird strategy,  all it does is energize DEM voters, and lull GOP voters into not voting.

Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 06, 2022, 05:21:33 PM
I predict a Dem landslide.

You guys can laugh now but I get my best information from him.

Thanks fren.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Rayzor on November 06, 2022, 05:27:51 PM
I predict a Dem landslide.

You guys can laugh now but I get my best information from him.

Thanks fren.

LOL. 

Back to Georgia Senate,  which is currently forecast as a dead heat.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/2022/georgia/

If you only take the A grade rated pollsters,  ( use the filter by pollster slider ) Warnock is  4-5 point clear.   WTF.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Space Cowgirl on November 06, 2022, 05:48:15 PM
What's crazy is that Oregon's governor race is a dead heat. I think the Dem candidate will probably squeak out a win, but for a Republican to get so close is remarkable.

I don't think Crist has a chance in Florida. It really doesn't matter that Trump is trying out a nickname for DeSantis. DeSantis won't blame Trump if the election is close. That's all lefty fantasy.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Crouton on November 06, 2022, 06:18:50 PM
Polls show a comfortable lead for DeSantis.

I'm surprised hershel walker might win. In the past these sorts of allegations would force a candidate to drop out. Different times I guess.

Another interesting race. Oz vs fetterman. I mean.. I get it. The guy can barely speak. I sort of understand why centrists might want to switch to Oz.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 06, 2022, 08:12:35 PM
I predict a Dem landslide.

You guys can laugh now but I get my best information from him.

Thanks fren.

LOL. 

You just have to think about what voters want.

Higher inflation, more violent crime, greater censorship, more power to multi national corporations, open borders, greater protection of pedophiles.

Wait.

I meant to say the strong simply take what they will and the weak are powerless to stop them.

I also predict a large win by the Democrats. They will deliver more of what people crave.

Any honest person would be predicting a Dem landslide at this point. Only conspiracy theorists think the Republicans are in better shape.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Lorddave on November 06, 2022, 08:59:40 PM
From what I can tell it's more random than it appears.

But yes, GOP will almost certainly take the house.  I'm predicting somewhere between 3 and 8 impeachments for Biden.  Possibly multiple impeachments for his cabinet as well.

Also the greatest legislative achievement for the next two years will be keeping the government funded.  So sort of like Trump's last two years.

I predict the Democrats will try to cheat, actually.
How would you know?   

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Biden basically said when one country basically rigged the election (I think it was Venezuela), that it was a crime to talk about it.
I haven't heard this.  Source?

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I think they'll try to cheat, and try to make it a criminal offense to protest the results (even verbally).
That would be a direct violation of the first amendment and the supreme court is mostly conservative.  They wouldn't bother trying.

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The GOP needs to win, because Democrats are out of control. In a fact and honest election, yes, I wouldn't care who won. I wouldn't in fact even vote. Leftism and rightism are okay, but the US is getting close to a violent socialist regime, and is trying to do it very very quickly, because they know that their time is limited to have this sort of chance.

The US needs a centrist government. It is very far from that right now.

Hehe.
Every election, Republicans say that and every election they're wrong.  Hell, I remember when Republicans said Obama would put people in FEMA camps and turn America into an Islamic nation.  They swore it would happen.
It didn't.
Nor is America anywhere close to a violent socialist regime.  They are hovering, quite comfortably, on violent corporate controlled republic.  Very free market.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Crouton on November 06, 2022, 10:10:16 PM

I also predict a large win by the Democrats. They will deliver more of what people crave.

Any honest person would be predicting a Dem landslide at this point. Only conspiracy theorists think the Republicans are in better shape.

I see we have a sort of pessimism in common.

Well come Tuesday one of us will be disappointed and one of us will be, maybe not quite the opposite but not horrified.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 06, 2022, 10:27:00 PM
From what I can tell it's more random than it appears.

But yes, GOP will almost certainly take the house.  I'm predicting somewhere between 3 and 8 impeachments for Biden.  Possibly multiple impeachments for his cabinet as well.

Also the greatest legislative achievement for the next two years will be keeping the government funded.  So sort of like Trump's last two years.

I predict the Democrats will try to cheat, actually.
How would you know?

Rayzor told me.

Anyway the precedent is set for how to deal with election deniers now.

You'll be fine, don't stress so much. The worst thing for you now would be cold feet.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on November 07, 2022, 02:49:14 AM
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That would be a direct violation of the first amendment and the supreme court is mostly conservative.  They wouldn't bother trying.

You weren't paying attention during the height of COVID. Rights were tossed aside because "emergency". You want to meet up with your friends? Sorry but people can't meet in groups of 4 or more (that's an unconstitutional abridgement of right to assembly). And I was banned from at least two forums for "spreading lies."

 The Jan 6 protest. One person died of actual violence, and it was a protestor shot by cops. Potentially thousands were imprisoned. I foolishly wanted to go, but my folks talked me out of it. All of these was labeled the most violent protest ever. Actually it went our with a whimper. The French Revolution was the most violent protest ever.

Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 07, 2022, 03:05:21 AM
Remember when Tucker asked that politician if he considered the bill of rights before the covid lockdown measures and the politician said that he hadn't considered it.

Good times.
No apology yet.

In Australia we had soldiers with fully automatic AUG steyrs on the streets keeping watch for grandma's in the park.

Still no apology.

Violence is the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived.

Words on paper are just words on paper. They have exactly as much authority and power as any other words on paper.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Space Cowgirl on November 07, 2022, 05:58:40 AM
Polls show a comfortable lead for DeSantis.

I'm surprised hershel walker might win. In the past these sorts of allegations would force a candidate to drop out. Different times I guess.

Another interesting race. Oz vs fetterman. I mean.. I get it. The guy can barely speak. I sort of understand why centrists might want to switch to Oz.

The Oz vs Fetterman thing is so terrible! Dr Oz is a quack TV doctor and the other guy has had a horrible stroke. WTF are people supposed to do with that? lol
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Stash on November 07, 2022, 07:52:36 AM
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That would be a direct violation of the first amendment and the supreme court is mostly conservative.  They wouldn't bother trying.

You weren't paying attention during the height of COVID. Rights were tossed aside because "emergency". You want to meet up with your friends? Sorry but people can't meet in groups of 4 or more (that's an unconstitutional abridgement of right to assembly).

Who stopped you from meeting up with friends?

And I was banned from at least two forums for "spreading lies."

Not surprising. And being banned from a forum is not a constitutional issue, by any means.

The Jan 6 protest. One person died of actual violence, and it was a protestor shot by cops. Potentially thousands were imprisoned. I foolishly wanted to go, but my folks talked me out of it. All of these was labeled the most violent protest ever. Actually it went our with a whimper. The French Revolution was the most violent protest ever.

Doesn't look like a whimper to me...

(https://i.imgur.com/zXQiSej.gif)
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Rayzor on November 07, 2022, 05:17:27 PM
I'm changing sides in the Warnock vs Walker battle.   I'm now hoping Walker wins,  since he now supports Martians as family.

The entainment value of this guy is off the charts!  :)

https://www.newsweek.com/herschel-walker-says-martians-belong-his-family-pre-midterm-rally-1757623
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 07, 2022, 05:19:39 PM
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That would be a direct violation of the first amendment and the supreme court is mostly conservative.  They wouldn't bother trying.

You weren't paying attention during the height of COVID. Rights were tossed aside because "emergency". You want to meet up with your friends? Sorry but people can't meet in groups of 4 or more (that's an unconstitutional abridgement of right to assembly).

Who stopped you from meeting up with friends?

In the case of Australia, Australian soldiers with fully automatic AUG steyrs, 5.56 NATO rounds and the authority to use deadly force.

We forget so soon.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Rayzor on November 07, 2022, 08:44:01 PM

In the case of Australia, Australian soldiers with fully automatic AUG steyrs, 5.56 NATO rounds and the authority to use deadly force.

We forget so soon.

Totally not true.  ADF were never armed during covid,  much less authorized to use deadly force. 

Show me the proof of your accusation.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 07, 2022, 08:47:26 PM

In the case of Australia, Australian soldiers with fully automatic AUG steyrs, 5.56 NATO rounds and the authority to use deadly force.

We forget so soon.

Totally not true.  ADF were never armed during covid,  much less authorized to use deadly force. 

Show me the proof of your accusation.

Was gonna say... What a crock of shit. But given the author, to be expected.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Stash on November 07, 2022, 09:51:16 PM
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That would be a direct violation of the first amendment and the supreme court is mostly conservative.  They wouldn't bother trying.

You weren't paying attention during the height of COVID. Rights were tossed aside because "emergency". You want to meet up with your friends? Sorry but people can't meet in groups of 4 or more (that's an unconstitutional abridgement of right to assembly).

Who stopped you from meeting up with friends?

In the case of Australia, Australian soldiers with fully automatic AUG steyrs, 5.56 NATO rounds and the authority to use deadly force.

We forget so soon.

Yikes, we had nothing even remotely like that here. There were no patrols or anything like that. The worst we got here was shelter in place, meaning only go out if you have to. I think the shelter in place only lasted a week or two. Though some other cities, like New York, might have had longer because of the shitshow that was NYC and the like early on.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 07, 2022, 09:56:08 PM
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That would be a direct violation of the first amendment and the supreme court is mostly conservative.  They wouldn't bother trying.

You weren't paying attention during the height of COVID. Rights were tossed aside because "emergency". You want to meet up with your friends? Sorry but people can't meet in groups of 4 or more (that's an unconstitutional abridgement of right to assembly).

Who stopped you from meeting up with friends?

In the case of Australia, Australian soldiers with fully automatic AUG steyrs, 5.56 NATO rounds and the authority to use deadly force.

We forget so soon.

Yikes, we had nothing even remotely like that here.

Neither did Australia. D1 is talking out his arse. Dumb cunt might actually believe it though. He's delusional

Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 07, 2022, 10:18:38 PM

In the case of Australia, Australian soldiers with fully automatic AUG steyrs, 5.56 NATO rounds and the authority to use deadly force.

We forget so soon.

Totally not true.  ADF were never armed during covid,  much less authorized to use deadly force. 

Show me the proof of your accusation.

The armed soldiers walking around the streets.

I'm gad you're taking my advice and trying to memory hole the entire thing.

There were no mandates, no lockdowns.
Oceania has always been at war with East Asia.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/army-to-enforce-stay-at-home-orders-as-delta-spreads-through-children-20210729-p58e3r.html

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Army troops will door-knock homes of people who have tested positive to COVID-19 and those deemed to be close contacts to ensure they are isolating in a crackdown on Sydney hotspots after NSW reached a record number of new infections.

The ADF has accepted NSW’s request for six weeks of assistance to ensure people are staying home and not mixing with extended families.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Stash on November 07, 2022, 10:20:18 PM

In the case of Australia, Australian soldiers with fully automatic AUG steyrs, 5.56 NATO rounds and the authority to use deadly force.

We forget so soon.

Totally not true.  ADF were never armed during covid,  much less authorized to use deadly force. 

Show me the proof of your accusation.

The armed soldiers walking around the streets.

With the "authority to use deadly force"? Under what circumstances? Walking down the sidewalk?
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 07, 2022, 10:25:49 PM
The police have the authority to use deadly force, Stash.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/army-to-enforce-stay-at-home-orders-as-delta-spreads-through-children-20210729-p58e3r.html

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Army troops will door-knock homes of people who have tested positive to COVID-19 and those deemed to be close contacts to ensure they are isolating in a crackdown on Sydney hotspots after NSW reached a record number of new infections.

The ADF has accepted NSW’s request for six weeks of assistance to ensure people are staying home and not mixing with extended families.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 07, 2022, 10:27:34 PM
They were not armed and had no authority to use deadly force. Of course, D1 is unable to backup his lie because, well, it's a lie

An article in SMH saying ADF personnel were utilised for various duties is not the same as saying they carried weapons and authorised to kill people.

They fulfilled roles like supporting the aged care sector

https://news.defence.gov.au/national/adf-support-aged-care-set-increase

D1 is a dispshit and a liar. Lies make baby Jesus cry.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 07, 2022, 10:28:10 PM
You're fine with this.

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Army troops will door-knock homes of people who have tested positive to COVID-19 and those deemed to be close contacts to ensure they are isolating in a crackdown on Sydney hotspots after NSW reached a record number of new infections.

The ADF has accepted NSW’s request for six weeks of assistance to ensure people are staying home and not mixing with extended families.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 07, 2022, 10:30:06 PM
We're is your proof they were armed and authorised to use deadly force?

And this thread is about the US midterms FFS. Start your own 'D1 lying about ADF roles during Aussie covid lockdowns' thread
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 07, 2022, 10:31:58 PM
They were carrying around guns.

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Army troops will door-knock homes of people who have tested positive to COVID-19 and those deemed to be close contacts to ensure they are isolating in a crackdown on Sydney hotspots after NSW reached a record number of new infections.

The ADF has accepted NSW’s request for six weeks of assistance to ensure people are staying home and not mixing with extended families.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 07, 2022, 10:36:29 PM
They were carrying around guns.

Lies again. So easily debunked too.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-30/adf-soldiers-to-arrive-in-sydney-covid19-lockdown/100336124

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"They don't come with powers and they won't be carrying firearms but they come with an enormous amount of training, very disciplined, they understand the task."


Will you apologise for being wrong - or lying? Or will you post your evidence that they were armed with powers to kill? ::)
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 07, 2022, 10:38:15 PM
Everyone saw soldiers on the street with guns.

Ensuring people didn't visit their friends.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Rayzor on November 07, 2022, 10:39:34 PM
They were carrying around guns.

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Army troops will door-knock homes of people who have tested positive to COVID-19 and those deemed to be close contacts to ensure they are isolating in a crackdown on Sydney hotspots after NSW reached a record number of new infections.

The ADF has accepted NSW’s request for six weeks of assistance to ensure people are staying home and not mixing with extended families.

Where is your proof they were armed?   The ones who were in our area door knocking certainly weren't armed.

And what has this got to do with US Midterm Elections.    Just D1 derailing thread after thread.

Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 07, 2022, 10:41:10 PM
Everyone saw the armed soldiers on the street.

They weren't enforcing covid measures by asking politely.

You can't defend this. Step down.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 07, 2022, 11:12:07 PM
Everyone saw the armed soldiers on the street.

They weren't enforcing covid measures by asking politely.

You can't defend this. Step down.

Then given that would be a huge breach of their standing orders there should be lots of photos and media articles all over it.

It's you who can't defend this.

You wanna go back to talking about the mid terms now? We have an AUSTRALIA thread in which this BS was already talked about. Revive that nonsense with your lies there
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Crouton on November 07, 2022, 11:20:52 PM
The day is upon us.

Brace yourselves, lads.  We're in for a bloodbath.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 07, 2022, 11:22:36 PM
The day is upon us.

Brace yourselves, lads.  We're in for a bloodbath.

(https://media.tenor.com/wMTMgtuZIJYAAAAC/michael-jackson-popcorn.gif)
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Rayzor on November 07, 2022, 11:35:33 PM
The day is upon us.

Brace yourselves, lads.  We're in for a bloodbath.

Hershel Walker has secured the Martian Vote for the GOP.   

Tucker claims that Democrats are going to declare civil war if they lose.   (  So, get those Martian weapons charged up and ready )

Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 07, 2022, 11:36:44 PM
Everyone saw the armed soldiers on the street.

They weren't enforcing covid measures by asking politely.

You can't defend this. Step down.

Then given that would be a huge breach of their standing orders there should be lots of photos and media articles all over it.

Uh, there is?

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sydney+adf+covid&t=fpas&ia=web

Democrats are winning by a landslide.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Rayzor on November 08, 2022, 12:18:51 AM
Everyone saw the armed soldiers on the street.

They weren't enforcing covid measures by asking politely.

You can't defend this. Step down.

Then given that would be a huge breach of their standing orders there should be lots of photos and media articles all over it.

Uh, there is?

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sydney+adf+covid&t=fpas&ia=web

Democrats are winning by a landslide.

None of those show ADF carrying weapons.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 08, 2022, 12:21:52 AM
The ADF clearly denies its soldiers were armed. Everyone saw armed soldiers on the streets. The police were carrying their rifles in any case I don't see the big deal.

This isn't ok.

You can't say it's ok.

Stand down.

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Army troops will door-knock homes of people who have tested positive to COVID-19 and those deemed to be close contacts to ensure they are isolating in a crackdown on Sydney hotspots after NSW reached a record number of new infections.

The ADF has accepted NSW’s request for six weeks of assistance to ensure people are staying home and not mixing with extended families.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Colonel Gaydafi on November 08, 2022, 05:03:19 AM
Everyone saw the armed soldiers on the street.

They weren't enforcing covid measures by asking politely.

You can't defend this. Step down.

Then given that would be a huge breach of their standing orders there should be lots of photos and media articles all over it.

Uh, there is?

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sydney+adf+covid&t=fpas&ia=web

Democrats are winning by a landslide.

The image search there shows lots of pictures of them not carrying weapons.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 08, 2022, 05:08:29 AM
I concede that they claimed they were unarmed. Everyone saw people in body armor and riot gear holding rifles. Maybe they were police, it really makes little difference to me.

This isn't ok.

You can't say it's ok.

Stand down.

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Army troops will door-knock homes of people who have tested positive to COVID-19 and those deemed to be close contacts to ensure they are isolating in a crackdown on Sydney hotspots after NSW reached a record number of new infections.

The ADF has accepted NSW’s request for six weeks of assistance to ensure people are staying home and not mixing with extended families.

This thread is about the red mirage and surprising blue wave we will see in the coming week.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Lorddave on November 08, 2022, 05:25:23 AM

In the case of Australia, Australian soldiers with fully automatic AUG steyrs, 5.56 NATO rounds and the authority to use deadly force.

We forget so soon.

Totally not true.  ADF were never armed during covid,  much less authorized to use deadly force. 

Show me the proof of your accusation.

The armed soldiers walking around the streets.

I'm gad you're taking my advice and trying to memory hole the entire thing.

There were no mandates, no lockdowns.
Oceania has always been at war with East Asia.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/army-to-enforce-stay-at-home-orders-as-delta-spreads-through-children-20210729-p58e3r.html

Quote
Army troops will door-knock homes of people who have tested positive to COVID-19 and those deemed to be close contacts to ensure they are isolating in a crackdown on Sydney hotspots after NSW reached a record number of new infections.

The ADF has accepted NSW’s request for six weeks of assistance to ensure people are staying home and not mixing with extended families.

Your article didn't seem to mention they would be armed or have a standing order to use deadly force.
Or did I miss it?
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 08, 2022, 05:28:39 AM
Dave could you describe what self awareness means to you in your own words?

I concede that they claimed they were unarmed. Everyone saw people in body armor and riot gear holding rifles. Maybe they were police, it really makes little difference to me.

This isn't ok.

You can't say it's ok.

Stand down.

Quote
Army troops will door-knock homes of people who have tested positive to COVID-19 and those deemed to be close contacts to ensure they are isolating in a crackdown on Sydney hotspots after NSW reached a record number of new infections.

The ADF has accepted NSW’s request for six weeks of assistance to ensure people are staying home and not mixing with extended families.

This thread is about the red mirage and surprising blue wave we will see in the coming week.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: wise on November 08, 2022, 05:32:34 AM
Biden completely reset the West and served it to China on a gold platter. Xi Pin said that from now on, they will invest much more in armament and prepare for war. He clearly wouldn't have dared to do that under Trump's presidency.

I wonder how Trump will save the US and the rest of the world from this pathetic situation against China. Oh, he'll have to play the Messiah, that's for sure. Are we surprised? Of course not, this role is set for him years ago. And a stickman was brought to the head of the democrats so that the future (so-called) Messiah Trump would be an easy bite. The Republicans are sure to win this one. And long live the (false) Christ!
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 08, 2022, 05:36:01 AM
Trump did such a terrible job the first time I'm not sure why people want him to run again. He did start a movement to be fair but there are better men to lead it, it's also changed into something different after nearly seven years the medias attempt to divide the left and right is failing.

Today I heard Russel Brand speak with open admiration about Tucker Carlson. I get it, I'm not going to lie. He would never claim to be like the Messiah, however he could rival Napoleon or Alexander in terms of greatness if he chose it. What a cross to bear, I wouldn't understand.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Space Cowgirl on November 08, 2022, 06:10:17 AM
Pls stop turning every thread into a boring COVID fight.

Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 08, 2022, 06:18:53 AM
I'm sorry.

I hope you can see that I'm not the one doing it. I'm happy to keep it in the covid thread. Bulmabreifs brought it up and was asked who stopped him from going outside and seeing friends.

I just pointed out that in Australia, that was done by the Australian military.

I can't help but notice that Shifter gets a really, really long leash here. That's fine I appreciate the freedom.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Space Cowgirl on November 08, 2022, 06:43:56 AM
Well, that's why I didn't mention you specifically. There are several people who blame you for derailing threads when they participate in the derailment themselves. One person can't derail a thread!
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 08, 2022, 06:51:10 AM
I am partly responsible so I replied.

I hope the results of your midterms don't take too long to be counted. I've heard estimates of a week, I think it would be problematic if it took that long.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Lorddave on November 08, 2022, 07:29:07 AM
I wonder how voting is going.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: boydster on November 08, 2022, 07:49:07 AM
My duty has been fulfilled, now the waiting begins before we can start to see how the cards fall.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 08, 2022, 08:01:29 AM
My duty has been fulfilled, now the waiting begins before we can start to see how the cards fall.

Good luck to your country whatever the result. Hopefully however the cards fall, the vote is respected
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on November 08, 2022, 08:30:38 AM
My duty has been fulfilled, now the waiting begins before we can start to see how the cards fall.


This is intriguing and as I have lost my 5 eyes code breaker in a poker game, I must speculate as to what that actually means.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: boydster on November 08, 2022, 09:05:09 AM
My duty has been fulfilled, now the waiting begins before we can start to see how the cards fall.


This is intriguing and as I have lost my 5 eyes code breaker in a poker game, I must speculate as to what that actually means.
It just means that I went and cast my vote (my civic duty, in other words) and now we wait for the results to start being reported. I didn't even think about planning ahead to show up and make myself an unofficial poll watcher, now that I reflect back... That seems like a shame. How will anyone in my neck of the woods be able to trust the results if I'm not standing there being sufficiently intimidating?
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Lorddave on November 08, 2022, 09:09:30 AM
My duty has been fulfilled, now the waiting begins before we can start to see how the cards fall.


This is intriguing and as I have lost my 5 eyes code breaker in a poker game, I must speculate as to what that actually means.
It just means that I went and cast my vote (my civic duty, in other words) and now we wait for the results to start being reported. I didn't even think about planning ahead to show up and make myself an unofficial poll watcher, now that I reflect back... That seems like a shame. How will anyone in my neck of the woods be able to trust the results if I'm not standing there being sufficiently intimidating?

I wanna see MAGA and ANTIFA, both dressed and armed, watchijg the same poll/ballot box.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Crouton on November 08, 2022, 09:45:36 AM
I am so glad we have mail in ballots in Utah.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Username on November 08, 2022, 10:51:30 AM
Turn out was amazing here. Also noticed a very female leaning turnout.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: JimmyTheLobster on November 08, 2022, 10:57:05 AM
Also noticed a very female leaning turnout.
I bet you did.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Username on November 08, 2022, 11:30:03 AM
Also noticed a very female leaning turnout.
I bet you did.
(https://c.tenor.com/2ZHOSWcGrSkAAAAC/literally-grasping-at-straws-reaching.gif)
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Alexei on November 08, 2022, 11:30:58 AM
What is the meaning of this? You're grasping your little John Davis?
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Space Cowgirl on November 08, 2022, 04:59:44 PM
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1590118240654696449?s=20&t=Eg0E9ghwgYUWQ4ZmQhGftQ

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Elections and anxiety often go hand in hand. Here are some evidence-based strategies that can help you cope.

(https://i.ibb.co/G3DCdtG/spinster13.jpg)

I had to double check to make sure this wasn't a parody!
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 08, 2022, 05:01:12 PM
I wonder how voting is going.

Huge number of mail in ballots. 60% democrat according to my sources.

I also can't tell the difference between satire and reality anymore.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Junker on November 08, 2022, 07:12:54 PM
why is conservative election coverage so much more enjoyable to watch?
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 08, 2022, 08:21:44 PM
My duty has been fulfilled, now the waiting begins before we can start to see how the cards fall.

Good luck to your country whatever the result. Hopefully however the cards fall, the vote is respected

You know when you're playing poker, and one player keeps talking about how everyone needs to accept the hands they have been dealt and it's not their fault they keep getting good hands.

Then later in the game he has three aces and beats your ace pair, he then tells you all card decks have five aces in them.

This is a lot like that.

People will accept the result.

Men with guns will ensure they accept the result.
(https://i.postimg.cc/wMyd1xrS/4e924abf82bb85cefbf7c8db765cc664.jpg)
That's democracy.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Stash on November 08, 2022, 08:30:24 PM
Our police looks sharper than your police...

(https://ammo.com/media/AN/images/police-militarization-weapons-of-war-hero.jpg)
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 08, 2022, 08:31:20 PM
How good do they look arresting 80 year old women sitting in the park?

That's the true measure of a democracy.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Stash on November 08, 2022, 09:15:33 PM
How good do they look arresting 80 year old women sitting in the park?

I don't know as they didn't arrest an 80 year old women sitting in the park.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: bulmabriefs144 on November 08, 2022, 09:22:31 PM
I wonder how voting is going.

Huge number of mail in ballots. 60% democrat according to my sources.

I also can't tell the difference between satire and reality anymore.

Since the 2022 election, Dems have figured out how to lock elections. We need to put the brakes on some of these declared victories, and check whether records match (wach person who voted in mail-in)

Quote
That's democracy.

Remember, if GOP wins the House "democracy" is doomed.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 08, 2022, 09:23:11 PM
How good do they look arresting 80 year old women sitting in the park?

I don't know as they didn't arrest an 80 year old women sitting in the park.

How would you feel if you didn't have dinner last night?
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 08, 2022, 10:23:34 PM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-09/live-updates-us-midterms-joe-biden/101608144#live-blog-post-11207

Sucked in Dr Oz! 8)

Just as well. Liar, fraud, grifter.... America has too many of those already.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Crouton on November 08, 2022, 10:25:30 PM
I'm just worried that it'll start a trend of politicians intentionally getting strokes to win elections.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 08, 2022, 10:26:18 PM
He clearly won fairly.

He's just the best man for the job and voters recognised it.

I hope those conspiracy theorists accept the result.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Crouton on November 08, 2022, 10:39:38 PM
I don't know.  I think the GOP might complain that his garbled speech gives him a similar advantage to campaigning that Trump has.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 08, 2022, 10:42:09 PM
Hah, you're so bold.

You'll be fine, don't stress so much. The worst thing for you now would be cold feet.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: wise on November 08, 2022, 11:12:44 PM
Our police looks sharper than your police...

We Türks have the nicest cop in the world. He politely tells you to open the door in the most polite way. ("Lütfen açar mısınız kapıyı" means Would you please open the door?) Oh, if you don't, he will open it himself. In the past, there were key makers, they used something like a skeleton key to open door. However, the classical method always works.



Stash take care yourself, bir gece ansızın gelebiliriz.  ;D
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Stash on November 08, 2022, 11:17:28 PM
Stash take care yourself, bir gece ansızın gelebiliriz.  ;D

"we can come suddenly one night"?

Seriously, could you be any creepier? Are you into threats these days?
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: wise on November 08, 2022, 11:23:37 PM
Stash take care yourself, bir gece ansızın gelebiliriz.  ;D

"we can come suddenly one night"?

Seriously, could you be any creepier? Are you into threats these days?

It means in terms of visit. This is a frequently used term.

Erdogan told "bir gece ansızın gelebiliriz" about Greece and a Greek journalist has told what it means, do you mean you may attack the Greece?

Erdoğan replies as "well you understand it true actually,... but..."  ;D



(English version)
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Lorddave on November 08, 2022, 11:25:54 PM
Stash take care yourself, bir gece ansızın gelebiliriz.  ;D

"we can come suddenly one night"?

Seriously, could you be any creepier? Are you into threats these days?

It means in terms of visit. This is a frequently used term.

Erdogan told "bir gece ansızın gelebiliriz" about Greece and a Greek journalist has told what it means, do you mean you may attack the Greece?

Erdoğan replies as "well you understand it true actually,... but..."  ;D



Language is hard.  Alot of things don't translate well, especially cultural based phrases.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: wise on November 08, 2022, 11:28:55 PM
Stash take care yourself, bir gece ansızın gelebiliriz.  ;D

"we can come suddenly one night"?

Seriously, could you be any creepier? Are you into threats these days?

It means in terms of visit. This is a frequently used term.

Erdogan told "bir gece ansızın gelebiliriz" about Greece and a Greek journalist has told what it means, do you mean you may attack the Greece?

Erdoğan replies as "well you understand it true actually,... but..."  ;D



Language is hard.  Alot of things don't translate well, especially cultural based phrases.

I change the video with an English one. Journalist ask English but Erdoğan still replies Turkish, nothing to do about it.

Erdoğan's reply "yani konuyu anlamışsın aslında" means well you actually understand the issue true.  ;D
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: wise on November 08, 2022, 11:34:54 PM
It is a nostalgic song actually.



We can think of it this way too, haha.

Lyrics tell: ""Don't call me so heartily,
I can come suddenly one night".

So actually, these harsh-looking statements are actually extremely romantic. But that has nothing to do with our topic.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Stash on November 08, 2022, 11:36:10 PM
Stash take care yourself, bir gece ansızın gelebiliriz.  ;D

"we can come suddenly one night"?

Seriously, could you be any creepier? Are you into threats these days?

It means in terms of visit. This is a frequently used term.

Erdogan told "bir gece ansızın gelebiliriz" about Greece and a Greek journalist has told what it means, do you mean you may attack the Greece?

Erdoğan replies as "well you understand it true actually,... but..."  ;D



Language is hard.  Alot of things don't translate well, especially cultural based phrases.

I change the video with an English one. Journalist ask English but Erdoğan still replies Turkish, nothing to do about it.

Erdoğan's reply "yani konuyu anlamışsın aslında" means well you actually understand the issue true.  ;D

Erdogan Threatens Greece: “We May Come Suddenly One Night” (https://greekreporter.com/2022/09/03/erdogan-threatens-greece-we-may-come-suddenly-one-night/)
On Saturday, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan threatened Greece it would pay a “heavy price” if it continued to “harass” Turkish planes over the Aegean.

“When the time comes, we will do what’s necessary [, and as] we say, we may come suddenly one night,” he added, using his often-repeated words when he talked about launching an operation into neighboring Syria.


Ummm, yeah, that's what is known as a threat. Are you into threatening people now?


Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 08, 2022, 11:52:18 PM
It's OK.

He's unarmed. Just like the ADF. It's for your own protection.

"we can come suddenly one night"?

There's a pill for that.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Rayzor on November 08, 2022, 11:57:39 PM
I'm betting Dems will finish with 52  to  GOP 48 in the senate.   Any takers?


I see D1 is still derailing...   sad. 

Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 08, 2022, 11:59:15 PM
I'm betting Dems will finish with 52  to  GOP 48 in the senate.   Any takers?


I see D1 is still derailing...   sad.

I also predicted a surprising Dem victory.
Seems we agree.

You really have to retire that bot. You shouldn't let it post using your account.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Crouton on November 09, 2022, 12:51:48 AM
There was always a decent chance they'd keep the senate.

The house is a different story.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 09, 2022, 12:59:09 AM
Regardless of who wins, it seems Trumps glory days are over. This should have been an easy victory for the repugs

At least it'll be DeSantis who will most likely win the primary. That means less chance of bullshit election rigging claims and if he wins (likely if up against Biden), you have someone who is more statesman like, experienced in how politics work and who served his nation in the defense force and wasn't a coward. Respect where its due

Regardless of what you think of his politics - the repugs need a man like that over Trump. I dont know who else they have that has any chance of clinching the primary

Who else would run if Trump doesn't? Does Ted Cruze wanna go? I think he's stayed quiet so far because his BFF Trump looks to want another go
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 09, 2022, 01:07:29 AM
This should have been an easy victory for the repugs.

(https://i.postimg.cc/g2MxszpB/h12tthcbmx741.jpg)

Did the site go down for everyone or just me? I didn't check down detector this time.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 09, 2022, 01:09:29 AM
I predict a Dem landslide.

You guys can laugh now but I get my best information from him.

Thanks fren.

Thanks fren.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on November 09, 2022, 01:12:43 AM
This should have been an easy victory for the repugs.

(https://i.postimg.cc/g2MxszpB/h12tthcbmx741.jpg)

Did the site go down for everyone or just me? I didn't check down detector this time.

I couldn't get on this morning for about 1/2nhr
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 09, 2022, 01:13:36 AM
This should have been an easy victory for the repugs.

(https://i.postimg.cc/g2MxszpB/h12tthcbmx741.jpg)

Did the site go down for everyone or just me? I didn't check down detector this time.

I couldn't get on this morning for about 1/2nhr

Was about the same for me. Probably just a server issue.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: wise on November 09, 2022, 01:57:55 AM
For half an hour, when I couldn't access the site, I thought that the institution had switched to VPN again.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Crouton on November 09, 2022, 02:00:21 AM
Yes that was me.  I couldn't risk certain information propagating before we could implement our evil plan of fixing the election so that the dems narrowly lose both houses of congress.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 09, 2022, 02:03:15 AM
Has the count finished?

I was unaware. It will take a while to count all the legitimate ballots. I haven't been paying close attention to be honest.

I took Rayzor at his word.

You're the only one talking about evil plans of rigging elections. It seems your issue is more with your conscience than me.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Rayzor on November 09, 2022, 03:14:36 AM
Wow,  Kari Lake trailing Katie Hobbs in AZ Governors race.

That's interesting, since Kari Lake has said she won't accept the result if she loses. 

She did an ad where she smashes CRT monitors with a sledge hammer...   That probably cost her the vintage computer vote.   
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Crouton on November 09, 2022, 03:31:33 AM
I'm not sure how serious these election deniers are.  Maybe it's wishful thinking but I think a lot of them are just larping.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 09, 2022, 03:49:22 AM
I'm not sure how serious these election deniers are.  Maybe it's wishful thinking but I think a lot of them are just larping.

No one actually doubts Joe Biden got the most votes of anyone in any election ever. They are just larping.

Have you seen the man?
He's like a taller version of Napoleon, absolutely awe inspiring.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on November 09, 2022, 04:10:34 AM

I’m not so sure where I stand anymore on western democracy, I’ve just read about one of the Republican candidates called Herschel Walker, a black dude with a string of abortions he’s alleged to have paid for, a history of domestic violence and child abandonment who seems to have an 11 year old’s’ grasp on any given subject, who has an imaginary previous incarnation as a FBI agent, and of whom an NRA poster girl has said “I don’t care if Herschel Walker paid to abort endangered baby eagles. I want control of the Senate.”

I mean a republican?

Oh! He used to play egg-ball, now I get it.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Lorddave on November 09, 2022, 04:17:44 AM
Man, all those "Red Wave" facebook posts did not age well.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Rayzor on November 09, 2022, 04:17:50 AM

I’m not so sure where I stand anymore on western democracy, I’ve just read about one of the Republican candidates called Herschel Walker, a black dude with a string of abortions he’s alleged to have paid for, a history of domestic violence and child abandonment who seems to have an 11 year old’s’ grasp on any given subject, who has an imaginary previous incarnation as a FBI agent, and of whom an NRA poster girl has said “I don’t care if Herschel Walker paid to abort endangered baby eagles. I want control of the Senate.”

I mean a republican?

Oh! He used to play egg-ball, now I get it.

Hey,  don't knock Hershel,  he is the ONLY one to come out publically in support of Martian immigrants,  where is your sense of social justice!! 

In other election rated news, the Dem policy of pushing extreme candiates in GOP primaries, has been a complete sweep.  Every single one was a Dem win.

https://twitter.com/Robillard/status/1590238360534413317

Ok,  I think it was a stupid risky gamble,  and could have backfired in getting more GOP crazies elected into congress.  But it worked.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Lorddave on November 09, 2022, 04:19:32 AM

I’m not so sure where I stand anymore on western democracy, I’ve just read about one of the Republican candidates called Herschel Walker, a black dude with a string of abortions he’s alleged to have paid for, a history of domestic violence and child abandonment who seems to have an 11 year old’s’ grasp on any given subject, who has an imaginary previous incarnation as a FBI agent, and of whom an NRA poster girl has said “I don’t care if Herschel Walker paid to abort endangered baby eagles. I want control of the Senate.”

I mean a republican?

Oh! He used to play egg-ball, now I get it.

Hey,  don't knock Hershel,  he is the ONLY one to come out publically in support of Martian immigrants,  where is your sense of social justice!! 

In other election rated news, the Dem policy of pushing extreme candiates in GOP primaries, has been a complete sweep.  Every single one was a Dem win.

https://twitter.com/Robillard/status/1590238360534413317

Ok,  I think it was a stupid risky gamble,  and could have backfired in getting more GOP crazies elected into congress.  But it worked.

HOLY SHIT!
I... Am at a loss for words. 
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: boydster on November 09, 2022, 04:33:15 AM
The good folks of Colorado might actually be moving away from Lauren Boebert. The fact that it's still too close to call is already interesting. Add to that the fact that she's still trailing her opponent and it's almost a little exciting.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 09, 2022, 04:41:20 AM
Man, all those "Red Wave" facebook posts did not age well.

The moral of the story is that Joe Biden and the democratic party is giving the American people what they crave. All this talk about voter dissatisfaction is dangerous disinformation.

I called it.

I predict a Dem landslide.

You guys can laugh now but I get my best information from him.

Thanks fren.

LOL. 

You just have to think about what voters want.

Higher inflation, more violent crime, greater censorship, more power to multi national corporations, open borders, greater protection of pedophiles.

Wait.

I meant to say the strong simply take what they will and the weak are powerless to stop them.

I also predict a large win by the Democrats. They will deliver more of what people crave.

Any honest person would be predicting a Dem landslide at this point. Only conspiracy theorists think the Republicans are in better shape.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Lorddave on November 09, 2022, 05:23:47 AM
Man, all those "Red Wave" facebook posts did not age well.

The moral of the story is that Joe Biden and the democratic party is giving the American people what they crave. All this talk about voter dissatisfaction is dangerous disinformation.

I called it.

I predict a Dem landslide.

You guys can laugh now but I get my best information from him.

Thanks fren.

LOL. 

You just have to think about what voters want.

Higher inflation, more violent crime, greater censorship, more power to multi national corporations, open borders, greater protection of pedophiles.

Wait.

I meant to say the strong simply take what they will and the weak are powerless to stop them.

I also predict a large win by the Democrats. They will deliver more of what people crave.

Any honest person would be predicting a Dem landslide at this point. Only conspiracy theorists think the Republicans are in better shape.

But its not a landslide.  Democrats are gonna get maybe 1 seat in the senate and probably lose like 5 in the house.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 09, 2022, 05:46:59 AM
JD Vance won his senate seat ladies and gentlemen. I wasn't expecting that. A pleasant surprise.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Space Cowgirl on November 09, 2022, 06:25:39 AM
Lauren Boebert is out! I think about half the Trump backed candidates lost, which could be very good news for the country.

The Florida elections went the way I expected them to. Crist didn't have a chance, and it's not because Florida is suddenly a red state. It's because Crist has been in office before, he's been in the political spotlight off and on for about 20 years. He looks like my grandma's creepy second husband (RIP). DeSantis is appealing to centrists, not just extreme Doritos right wingers. I like Val Demings, but she didn't have a chance against Rubio, either. He's got the Cuban vote locked. 

I wish we could have a purple wave! Get away from the fruitcakes in both parties, we need people willing to work together for the good of the country.

Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 09, 2022, 06:33:46 AM
Well Donald Trump apparently said

"well, I think if they win, I should get all the credit. If they lose, I should not be blamed at all"


Classic Trump ::)


I dont think the repugs are going to care. These results show he's pretty much done. What an embarrassment. Good for the country though. Maybe politics can be boring again
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 09, 2022, 06:34:14 AM
I wish we could have a purple wave! Get away from the fruitcakes in both parties, we need people willing to work together for the good of the country.

Like a third party?
The problem with two party systems is one party always wins.

Shifter would like a purple revolution in the sense that every politician Republican and Democrat voted exclusively for corporate interests. That's what they mean when they talk about uniting people. Uniting people under the WEF, Blackrock and Vanguard.

I don't particularly like either party. I liked Trump because of how much the media hated him. He didn't do a great job but he's not the cartoonishly evil figure the media made him out to be. Just a narcissist and arguably incompetent. The hysteria he caused with people was a result of them seeing the media's hysteria and succumbing to the group instinct.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Space Cowgirl on November 09, 2022, 06:48:25 AM
Our two main political parties and the media collaborate to make sure third parties don't have a chance here.  I was watching some of the results last night, and the R and the D candidates had pictures next to their names, most of the 3rd party candidates just had an outline of a man next to their names.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 09, 2022, 06:53:11 AM
It's exactly the same in Australia. Everyone thought that third parties would do well after the clown show that was labour and liberal governments but we get mad at one then vote in the other. Nothing changes, we're in a bit of a pickle. I knew better but even people who usually agree with me got mad when I called the labour victory.

I do totally agree with you people need to think more about their country than their party. Not in the way the media talks about democracy being at stake, there's always the possibility for misuse.

JP is pretty optimistic lately, so is Russel Brand but I think they are just where I was at a few years ago. Maybe I'm just a pessimist, maybe they are right and I am wrong. People never guess it but I like being wrong because usually I assume the worst of close to it. I've just lost all faith in people.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Crouton on November 09, 2022, 06:57:52 AM
This is the reality of first past the post voting.

It inevitably leads to a two party duopoloy and fear based politics.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 09, 2022, 06:59:41 AM
fear based politics.

Tell us more about the time when Dolan tried to steal the US democracy please uncle Crouton.

Only joking.

Its late and I like at least 6 hours of sleep a night. I'm not sure how you guys do it. Goodnight old friend.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Space Cowgirl on November 09, 2022, 07:04:10 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/2MDHNyW/fes1.png)

I am really happy none of the fruitcakes the Democrats helped win their primaries were elected, but I am afraid this will only encourage the Dems to do it again!  You will never see the msm really call this garbage out, CBS won't put this on their "Democracy Desk"!

Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Crouton on November 09, 2022, 07:17:42 AM
It's very unfortunate.  The DNC is acting a lot like a business with that sort of decision. 

Oh look.  Sarah Huckabee Sanders is now the governor of Arkansas.  You can't cuck the huck. 

I think that's what the kids are saying these days.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 09, 2022, 07:28:04 AM
I wish we could have a purple wave! Get away from the fruitcakes in both parties, we need people willing to work together for the good of the country.
Shifter would like a purple revolution in the sense that every politician Republican and Democrat voted exclusively for corporate interests. That's what they mean when they talk about uniting people. Uniting people under the WEF, Blackrock and Vanguard.

Or you know, when parties can put aside their differences for the national interest, respect democracy, not launch insurrections and not divide the country on partisan bullshit, would be nice - the way it used to be.

Politics should not be cultist. It should be boring.


Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Lorddave on November 09, 2022, 07:42:04 AM
I wish we could have a purple wave! Get away from the fruitcakes in both parties, we need people willing to work together for the good of the country.
Shifter would like a purple revolution in the sense that every politician Republican and Democrat voted exclusively for corporate interests. That's what they mean when they talk about uniting people. Uniting people under the WEF, Blackrock and Vanguard.

Or you know, when parties can put aside their differences for the national interest, respect democracy, not launch insurrections and not divide the country on partisan bullshit, would be nice - the way it used to be.

Politics should not be cultist. It should be boring.

I'm not sure its ever really been like that.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 09, 2022, 07:48:18 AM
I wish we could have a purple wave! Get away from the fruitcakes in both parties, we need people willing to work together for the good of the country.
Shifter would like a purple revolution in the sense that every politician Republican and Democrat voted exclusively for corporate interests. That's what they mean when they talk about uniting people. Uniting people under the WEF, Blackrock and Vanguard.

Or you know, when parties can put aside their differences for the national interest, respect democracy, not launch insurrections and not divide the country on partisan bullshit, would be nice - the way it used to be.

Politics should not be cultist. It should be boring.

I'm not sure its ever really been like that.



Contrast that to Trump
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Lorddave on November 09, 2022, 07:51:38 AM
I wish we could have a purple wave! Get away from the fruitcakes in both parties, we need people willing to work together for the good of the country.
Shifter would like a purple revolution in the sense that every politician Republican and Democrat voted exclusively for corporate interests. That's what they mean when they talk about uniting people. Uniting people under the WEF, Blackrock and Vanguard.

Or you know, when parties can put aside their differences for the national interest, respect democracy, not launch insurrections and not divide the country on partisan bullshit, would be nice - the way it used to be.

Politics should not be cultist. It should be boring.

I'm not sure its ever really been like that.



Contrast that to Trump
Trump, we hope, is a glitch.  An abboration.
I mean, have any of the losers cried "rigged!" Yet?
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 09, 2022, 10:47:58 PM
Politics should not be cultist. It should be boring.

When politics are boring, interest rates are low and the cost of living is cheap, then you have your power.

You lament this because people are now politically engaged and tend to notice your bs.

It isn't my fault, it's your fault. You took away their bread and circuses, what did you expect to happen?

What has always happened?
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on November 10, 2022, 01:20:25 AM


Why are Americans more liable to vote sensibly if they can see the ocean?

Or to flip this, is there something about being surrounded by miles and miles of other americans with no visible means of escape, that makes you a paranoid hater?

D1 do you live near the sea? In UK terms my house is about as far from the coast as you can get, but I can still be there in two hours in a car, I was there two weeks back (we are allowed holidays here), walking the Abergele beach, I wasn’t conscious of a greater empathy for others, discuss.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 10, 2022, 01:22:29 AM
I live within 15 minutes of a lot of beautiful beaches. Its been raining today which is out of season but I often like watching the sunset over the ocean.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 10, 2022, 02:33:51 AM
Have you ever been to Australia Jura? I've never been to England. I want to go and see the castles, and dragons. We don't have any here.

Everyone from England loves the beaches and weather here. I get along with them well. Depending on where they are from.

True story I used to work with a guy from Leeds and we couldn't understand a word the other one said, one day we went to the pub after work and found out we could communicate perfectly after two pints. I still laugh about that, it was so long ago now.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on November 10, 2022, 02:49:20 AM
So not the sea per-se, although I believe the majority of Aussies cling to the coast as inland is a burned hellscape, so there may be other factors there (lazy stereotype).

(Back in the USA) Is it perhaps having contact with other people from differing cultures that are not your indentured servants, that dispels suspicions that they are, up to no good, after our women, stealing our jobs, jealous of the freedoms we have*.


No, I haven’t been to your country D1, TBH, the distance and the ambient temperature difference has always been a barrier, my eldest did though, worked for a year in a beachfront restaurant in Manly (? Aussie overcompensation?), and he loved it.



*This one seems to be widely held and is probably the one most likely to provoke unconstrained spontaneous laughter, or the spitting of coffee/food over the speaker.     
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 10, 2022, 02:53:58 AM
Wait. What's the difference between the ocean and the sea.

I also once knew this girl, who at the age of around 26, was amazed when she found out going to the beach is going to the edge of Australia. She was pretty and sweet so it was forgiveable.

Have you seen the crime statistics in the USA? Chinese people aren't doing the drive by shootings.

I do enjoy talking to you.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on November 10, 2022, 03:26:50 AM
Wait. What's the difference between the ocean and the sea.


The spelling? Not sure we haven’t crossed wires here. What I was hinting at was, I have only spent a small amount of time in the US, but in that time, it seemed that the news (that I saw) was US 1st, local news second (mainly helicopters over crash sites or car pursuits), adverts, and other news in flash form, Rabbits chase dog! Man marries tree! Europe exists beyond Harry Potter books!

So, my premise is that being coastal, that is where most of the rest of the world is first contacted, as a legacy of ports and the age of boats, and inevitably those that interact with other nations are more open-minded due to that interaction with healthier, better looking and educated foreigners. 
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on November 10, 2022, 03:29:53 AM


Although I flew straight into Charlotte and was met by heat, the rudest passport control in the world and streets lined with churches.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 10, 2022, 03:39:33 AM
Wait. What's the difference between the ocean and the sea.


The spelling?
Heh, nice.

interaction with healthier, better looking and educated foreigners.
Slightly racist but OK.
Do your children know you think they are inferior?
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 10, 2022, 03:41:43 AM
Ok, it's not Donalds fault guys.

It's Melanias

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-furious-at-ozs-pennsylvania-election-loss-and-blames-melania-maggie-haberman-says
Quote
Former President Donald Trump is “furious” about Tuesday’s lackluster midterm showing, tossing his ire at Dr. Oz and blaming his wife Melania for advising him to endorse the TV celeb, The New York Times’ Maggie Haberman reported. Hours later, Semafor reported that Trump is also pointing the finger at Fox News star Sean Hannity, his pal and unofficial adviser. Trump suffered a poor night with several of his swing state endorsements losing key races, including gubernatorial candidates in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Oz conceded to Democrat John Fetterman in Pennsylvania after losing a highly contested race that may determine Senate control. Backed by Trump, Oz won the primary by a razor thin plurality. Haberman’s reporting was echoed by Semafor, as well as Axios’ Jonathan Swan, who described Trump as “not happy,” and CNN’s Jim Acosta, who reported that Trump was “livid” and “screaming at everyone.” Several insiders are now pushing Trump to reschedule his anticipated Nov. 15 announcement on his 2024 candidacy, Haberman reported.

Hilarious if true
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 10, 2022, 03:43:57 AM
It's honestly just a solid endorsement of the staus quo and the ruling class.

We can finally put to rest all this dangerous disinformation about voter dissatisfaction. Everyone is happy with the establishment, the voters proved they are doing a fine job.

Did you hear they increased the chocolate ration from 30 grams to 20 grams?
More boots were made this year than any other year on record.
All signs are double plus good. The war on disinformation is within measurable distance of ending.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on November 10, 2022, 03:52:20 AM
Wait. What's the difference between the ocean and the sea.


The spelling?
Heh, nice.

interaction with healthier, better looking and educated foreigners.
Slightly racist but OK.
Do your children know you think they are inferior?

Is it late there D1 or am I not writing clearly?

The "interaction with healthier, better looking and educated foreigners." is why the coastal US become more Liberal, by inference the rest of the world, including me, you and my offspring are the good looking ones, it's my joke, at their expense, for being American and bigger than us, and inventing everything and spreading peace and freedom.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 10, 2022, 03:53:18 AM
If you're talking about a people as "healthier and better looking" you sound a bit like Hitler talking about the Germans in the 1930s.

Just in my opinion.

It's 7:53pm.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on November 10, 2022, 04:07:40 AM

You know those hideous meme things you think are cool, do you have one for when someone completely misses a point/joke, or is so fixated on shoehorning their point of view into a conversation that they come across as slightly deranged?

Just asking?
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 10, 2022, 04:09:54 AM
That "whoosh" one.

It's kind of old but I can't think of a more relevant one.

Don't be like this. Can't we just talk like equals?
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on November 10, 2022, 04:35:37 AM

Absolutely, but you did the Hitler thing in response to me making a joke about americans being unhealthy and ugly, if your opinion is the opposite or you are having an attack of the Jackblacks, where you are trumpeting your virtue by saying jokes about people are like phosgene, then I didn’t mean any offense.

By the way, I don’t think all Americans are unhealthy and ugly, and I do not dispute the truth that some members of all countries fit this description, and that my jokes sometimes miss their mark, but has something happened in Australia lately that has made you all such snowflakes?

Oh! and the midterms, go Biden!
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 10, 2022, 04:38:37 AM
I was assuming you were making a comment about race more than nationality.

If this was my error, I apologise.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Rayzor on November 10, 2022, 05:17:13 AM
Ok, it's not Donalds fault guys.

It's Melanias

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-furious-at-ozs-pennsylvania-election-loss-and-blames-melania-maggie-haberman-says
Quote
Former President Donald Trump is “furious” about Tuesday’s lackluster midterm showing, tossing his ire at Dr. Oz and blaming his wife Melania for advising him to endorse the TV celeb, The New York Times’ Maggie Haberman reported. Hours later, Semafor reported that Trump is also pointing the finger at Fox News star Sean Hannity, his pal and unofficial adviser. Trump suffered a poor night with several of his swing state endorsements losing key races, including gubernatorial candidates in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Oz conceded to Democrat John Fetterman in Pennsylvania after losing a highly contested race that may determine Senate control. Backed by Trump, Oz won the primary by a razor thin plurality. Haberman’s reporting was echoed by Semafor, as well as Axios’ Jonathan Swan, who described Trump as “not happy,” and CNN’s Jim Acosta, who reported that Trump was “livid” and “screaming at everyone.” Several insiders are now pushing Trump to reschedule his anticipated Nov. 15 announcement on his 2024 candidacy, Haberman reported.

Hilarious if true

In case anyone was wondering what Rupert Murdoch was thinking... 

From https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-is-the-gops-biggest-loser-midterm-elections-senate-house-congress-republicans-11668034869

Trump Is the Republican Party’s Biggest Loser
He has now flopped in 2018, 2020, 2021 and 2022.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Crouton on November 10, 2022, 08:45:16 AM
To answer Jura's question, it's not the coast, it's the big cities.  Nearly all the big cities are blue, I think this is a common feature of large populations throughout the world, not just the US.  Most of the interior of America is empty space so most of the big cities are on the coast.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Lorddave on November 10, 2022, 10:37:17 AM
To answer Jura's question, it's not the coast, it's the big cities.  Nearly all the big cities are blue, I think this is a common feature of large populations throughout the world, not just the US.  Most of the interior of America is empty space so most of the big cities are on the coast.

I suspect its because you're exposed to a lot more people and ideas while low population towns are basically insulated and all have the same ideas.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Space Cowgirl on November 10, 2022, 11:56:40 AM
To answer Jura's question, it's not the coast, it's the big cities.  Nearly all the big cities are blue, I think this is a common feature of large populations throughout the world, not just the US.  Most of the interior of America is empty space so most of the big cities are on the coast.

I suspect its because you're exposed to a lot more people and ideas while low population towns are basically insulated and all have the same ideas.

If this is the case then it should change, because the small towns have internet.

I suspect the mentality is different because people in BFE have to be more self reliant, and are more likely to do labor. There aren't a lot of the professional managerial class in small towns (until they retire and move to Florida, then they become busybodies in their HOAs).
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Stash on November 10, 2022, 02:43:06 PM
To answer Jura's question, it's not the coast, it's the big cities.  Nearly all the big cities are blue, I think this is a common feature of large populations throughout the world, not just the US.  Most of the interior of America is empty space so most of the big cities are on the coast.

I suspect its because you're exposed to a lot more people and ideas while low population towns are basically insulated and all have the same ideas.

If this is the case then it should change, because the small towns have internet.

I suspect the mentality is different because people in BFE have to be more self reliant, and are more likely to do labor. There aren't a lot of the professional managerial class in small towns (until they retire and move to Florida, then they become busybodies in their HOAs).

I'm not sure that internet access really leads to exposure to broader ideas. For some, perhaps. For most, if they watch FOX or CNN on TV or read the NY Post or NYT in paper form, they probably follow the same paths on the web. It's really only all of us here at the Society who embrace ideas that come in all forms...Right?
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on November 10, 2022, 03:05:00 PM

There you see, the US peeps answered my question, ignored the bad jokes and no one mentioned hitler, respect.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Space Cowgirl on November 10, 2022, 03:28:56 PM
To answer Jura's question, it's not the coast, it's the big cities.  Nearly all the big cities are blue, I think this is a common feature of large populations throughout the world, not just the US.  Most of the interior of America is empty space so most of the big cities are on the coast.

I suspect its because you're exposed to a lot more people and ideas while low population towns are basically insulated and all have the same ideas.

If this is the case then it should change, because the small towns have internet.

I suspect the mentality is different because people in BFE have to be more self reliant, and are more likely to do labor. There aren't a lot of the professional managerial class in small towns (until they retire and move to Florida, then they become busybodies in their HOAs).

I'm not sure that internet access really leads to exposure to broader ideas. For some, perhaps. For most, if they watch FOX or CNN on TV or read the NY Post or NYT in paper form, they probably follow the same paths on the web. It's really only all of us here at the Society who embrace ideas that come in all forms...Right?

I do think people get into echo chambers online. Still, if you're from out here in the middle of nowhere and you go online, even in the echo chambers you're going to be exposed to more ideas than you would have been.

I also think it's funny to read posts from people who think small towns are isolated and we're all sitting on our porches spitting tobaccy at a picture of Joe Biden.

ALSO HITLER.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Stash on November 10, 2022, 03:36:13 PM
To answer Jura's question, it's not the coast, it's the big cities.  Nearly all the big cities are blue, I think this is a common feature of large populations throughout the world, not just the US.  Most of the interior of America is empty space so most of the big cities are on the coast.

I suspect its because you're exposed to a lot more people and ideas while low population towns are basically insulated and all have the same ideas.

If this is the case then it should change, because the small towns have internet.

I suspect the mentality is different because people in BFE have to be more self reliant, and are more likely to do labor. There aren't a lot of the professional managerial class in small towns (until they retire and move to Florida, then they become busybodies in their HOAs).

I'm not sure that internet access really leads to exposure to broader ideas. For some, perhaps. For most, if they watch FOX or CNN on TV or read the NY Post or NYT in paper form, they probably follow the same paths on the web. It's really only all of us here at the Society who embrace ideas that come in all forms...Right?

I do think people get into echo chambers online. Still, if you're from out here in the middle of nowhere and you go online, even in the echo chambers you're going to be exposed to more ideas than you would have been.

Fair point. I think I'm focusing on those that get into their preferred weberrific echo chamber and are exposed to new ideas that lead them deeper into the preferred echo chamber cess[pool. Example being the Qanon folks.

I also think it's funny to read posts from people who think small towns are isolated and we're all sitting on our porches spitting tobaccy at a picture of Joe Biden.

You aren't? That obliterates my view of the non-coastal elites.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Space Cowgirl on November 10, 2022, 03:57:43 PM
Sometimes it is fun to visit an echo chamber that is not your own.

Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Rayzor on November 10, 2022, 04:25:59 PM
I also think it's funny to read posts from people who think small towns are isolated and we're all sitting on our porches spitting tobaccy at a picture of Joe Biden.

In Australia the townies think that all outback people are either the guy from Wolf Creek,  or Crocodile Dundee.

The reality is we sit around on the porch chewing tobacco, spitting at a picture of Joe Biden.

Still waiting for a decision on who controls the house.  Looks like the margin will be unworkable for either side.

 
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Crouton on November 10, 2022, 04:38:48 PM
If Boebert the clown is cheated out of her election I will march on the capitol of Utah!!!

I know Utah doesn't have anything to do with it but it's a much shorter drive.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 10, 2022, 04:56:02 PM
To answer Jura's question, it's not the coast, it's the big cities.  Nearly all the big cities are blue, I think this is a common feature of large populations throughout the world, not just the US.  Most of the interior of America is empty space so most of the big cities are on the coast.

I suspect its because you're exposed to a lot more people and ideas while low population towns are basically insulated and all have the same ideas.

If this is the case then it should change, because the small towns have internet.

I suspect the mentality is different because people in BFE have to be more self reliant, and are more likely to do labor. There aren't a lot of the professional managerial class in small towns (until they retire and move to Florida, then they become busybodies in their HOAs).

Manual labouring changes your perspective on reality. To change the world with your hands.

Sometimes it is fun to visit an echo chamber that is not your own.

I mean I like it here.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Rayzor on November 10, 2022, 08:34:26 PM
Can anyone tell me what the minimum number for a majority in the House is, let's say it ends up Dem 217,  Gop 218,  but the Gop has to nominate a speaker, does that mean it ends up 217:217?


Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Lorddave on November 11, 2022, 01:03:20 AM
To answer Jura's question, it's not the coast, it's the big cities.  Nearly all the big cities are blue, I think this is a common feature of large populations throughout the world, not just the US.  Most of the interior of America is empty space so most of the big cities are on the coast.

I suspect its because you're exposed to a lot more people and ideas while low population towns are basically insulated and all have the same ideas.

If this is the case then it should change, because the small towns have internet.

I suspect the mentality is different because people in BFE have to be more self reliant, and are more likely to do labor. There aren't a lot of the professional managerial class in small towns (until they retire and move to Florida, then they become busybodies in their HOAs).

I'm not sure that internet access really leads to exposure to broader ideas. For some, perhaps. For most, if they watch FOX or CNN on TV or read the NY Post or NYT in paper form, they probably follow the same paths on the web. It's really only all of us here at the Society who embrace ideas that come in all forms...Right?

I do think people get into echo chambers online. Still, if you're from out here in the middle of nowhere and you go online, even in the echo chambers you're going to be exposed to more ideas than you would have been.

I also think it's funny to read posts from people who think small towns are isolated and we're all sitting on our porches spitting tobaccy at a picture of Joe Biden.

ALSO HITLER.

All I have to go on is popular media and stories an old coworker told me about growing up in the heart of Nebraska where he spent his youth sitting around a campfire in a field drinking beer because there was nothing to do.

And the internet has only made echo chamber ideas worse by making it look like your crazy idea, like 5G is being injected into your body by the vaccine, as legitimate because you found 5,000 people who agree with you. 


Also: I assume they do cow tipping, tractor races, and making crop circles in addition to spitting/shooting pictures of Joe Biden.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Space Cowgirl on November 11, 2022, 07:26:29 AM
Right, well a lot has changed since your old co-worker grew up! When I was a kid there was no internet. We did sit around a fire and drink beer a lot when I was a teen. When I lived in the city, we all congregated in some remote area and drank (until the cops showed up). Or someone's parents went out of town and we partied at their house (until the cops showed up).  The difference was in the city there were arcades, and we could go there and drink and do drugs in the parking lot. In the country towns, you might have to drive a bit to find something like that. Teens just find a way to party, no matter where they live. Doesn't really have anything to do with echo chambers.

About the crazy ideas, though. You probably don't mean to, but you are making it seem like it's only the country yokels buying into conspiracies. Like someone crammed into a city is somehow immune. The internet should have made the echo chambers disappear, but media and politics combine to make sure we stay mad at each other, because outrage sells, outrage gets votes, outrage keeps us busy fighting each other and we pay less attention to what they are up to. 
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Crouton on November 11, 2022, 08:12:20 AM
Can anyone tell me what the minimum number for a majority in the House is, let's say it ends up Dem 217,  Gop 218,  but the Gop has to nominate a speaker, does that mean it ends up 217:217?

The House has 435 seats.  218 are needed for a majority.  It's not like the senate which has an even number.

Last time I checked if the counting stopped now and everyone ahead in the race just won then the republics would have a 3 vote majority in the House.

In the senate is currently at 49 republicans and 48 democrats.  We're waiting on the results in arizona and nevada, georgia is headed for a runoff.

It's difficult to see how democrats could lose arizona, so 49 to 49.  I don't know how Nevada will turn out.  It's conceivable that we'll head into the runoff in exactly the same situation as we were 2 years ago.

And in an astonishing repeat of history it could be Donald Trump that saves the senate for the democrats.  Word is Trump is going to announce his run this coming Tuesday.  When that happens then the Georgia runoff won't be about inflation or CRT or whatever, it'll be about Trump.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Lorddave on November 11, 2022, 09:45:06 AM
Right, well a lot has changed since your old co-worker grew up! When I was a kid there was no internet. We did sit around a fire and drink beer a lot when I was a teen. When I lived in the city, we all congregated in some remote area and drank (until the cops showed up). Or someone's parents went out of town and we partied at their house (until the cops showed up).  The difference was in the city there were arcades, and we could go there and drink and do drugs in the parking lot. In the country towns, you might have to drive a bit to find something like that. Teens just find a way to party, no matter where they live. Doesn't really have anything to do with echo chambers.

About the crazy ideas, though. You probably don't mean to, but you are making it seem like it's only the country yokels buying into conspiracies. Like someone crammed into a city is somehow immune. The internet should have made the echo chambers disappear, but media and politics combine to make sure we stay mad at each other, because outrage sells, outrage gets votes, outrage keeps us busy fighting each other and we pay less attention to what they are up to.

Appologies.  I know full well that crazies exist everywhere and not everyone in small towns buy in.  Hell, my mom is a crazy one and she lives in a fairly populated area of New York.

It could be as simple as "we don't need alot of direct government services (public transit, police protection, etc...) Because we're more self reliant.
Or it could be about trust.  People in small towns probably trust one another more because they interact with the same people often.  But in a city, well, you could have a different cashier at the grocery store, every trip, for a month.

As for echo chambers:
Its less about media and politicians doing it and more about them using it.  People like echo chambers.  They like being right.  So those things naturally grew online.  Politicians and media use it to keep their audience/support.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Space Cowgirl on November 11, 2022, 02:16:42 PM
There's also "audience capture" which helps create echo chambers.

Personally, I despise echo chambers. It's one of the reasons I love forums, and especially the FES. I know some forums are echo chambers, but I always gravitated to the ones where people argue all sorts of positions. There's nothing more boring than a forum where you can't tell someone they are full of shit.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Rayzor on November 11, 2022, 03:18:22 PM
Can anyone tell me what the minimum number for a majority in the House is, let's say it ends up Dem 217,  Gop 218,  but the Gop has to nominate a speaker, does that mean it ends up 217:217?

The House has 435 seats.  218 are needed for a majority.  It's not like the senate which has an even number.

Last time I checked if the counting stopped now and everyone ahead in the race just won then the republics would have a 3 vote majority in the House.

In the senate is currently at 49 republicans and 48 democrats.  We're waiting on the results in arizona and nevada, georgia is headed for a runoff.

It's difficult to see how democrats could lose arizona, so 49 to 49.  I don't know how Nevada will turn out.  It's conceivable that we'll head into the runoff in exactly the same situation as we were 2 years ago.

And in an astonishing repeat of history it could be Donald Trump that saves the senate for the democrats.  Word is Trump is going to announce his run this coming Tuesday.  When that happens then the Georgia runoff won't be about inflation or CRT or whatever, it'll be about Trump.

What I was trying to find out is does the speaker normally get a vote? 

In the Australian Parliment the speaker of the house is like an independent umpire and doesn't get a vote.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Space Cowgirl on November 11, 2022, 03:36:43 PM
Yes, the speaker gets to vote and participate in debates.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Stash on November 11, 2022, 07:21:44 PM
Crazier still, the Speaker doesn't have to be an incumbent congressional representative. The Speaker can be literally anyone. It's never happened, but allowed.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 11, 2022, 09:02:23 PM
Crazier still, the Speaker doesn't have to be an incumbent congressional representative. The Speaker can be literally anyone. It's never happened, but allowed.

It would be similar in concept to how companies court experienced executives outside of their organization to be their leaders.

Why is your incredulity and ignorance of the Constitution "crazy"?
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Stash on November 11, 2022, 09:39:39 PM
Crazier still, the Speaker doesn't have to be an incumbent congressional representative. The Speaker can be literally anyone. It's never happened, but allowed.

It would be no different from how companies court experienced executives outside of their organization to be their leaders.

Why is your incredulity and ignorance of the Constitution "crazy"?

Lighten up Francis. Where's the ignorance? All I pointed out is that anyone can be Speaker. A-N-Y-O-N-E. Something a lot of people don't know b/c it's never happened. Incredulity doesn't apply either. I believe it to be true.

When you use words make sure you understand their meaning.

I just think it's kinda nutty that the Speaker, with voting privileges and especially, 3rd in line to the presidency, could literally be anyone. No people's vote required. But hey, that's the way it works.

Now that I think about it, there was a semi-popular movie where some guy deep down the line of succession became an unwilling president. So maybe people do know about this little constitutional nugget.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 11, 2022, 09:43:18 PM
Stash is a neural network.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: wise on November 11, 2022, 09:58:35 PM
Stash is a car's AI-powered in-car computer. Technically, there's not much difference between arguing with Stash and asking Siri questions.

Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Rayzor on November 11, 2022, 10:25:36 PM
Well, they said there would be civil war if the GOP lost,  what they neglected to say was that the civil war would be inside the GOP. 

Important detail.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Tom Bishop on November 11, 2022, 10:29:31 PM
Lighten up Francis. Where's the ignorance? All I pointed out is that anyone can be Speaker. A-N-Y-O-N-E. Something a lot of people don't know b/c it's never happened. Incredulity doesn't apply either. I believe it to be true.

When you use words make sure you understand their meaning.

I just think it's kinda nutty that the Speaker, with voting privileges and especially, 3rd in line to the presidency, could literally be anyone. No people's vote required. But hey, that's the way it works.

Well, it sounds like ignorance to me. The US is a Representative Democracy, which means that state representatives vote on our laws or choose the leaders of the country. Not all positions are chosen by the public. This is why the US President can sometimes lose the popular vote but win on the electoral vote. The Electoral College consists of representatives who choose the President. Therefore it makes perfect sense that the House of Representatives would be solely responsible for choosing the leader of the House.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Rayzor on November 11, 2022, 10:46:28 PM
This fake twitter verification is getting funnier by the minute....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhUtJElWIAAZ_0c?format=jpg&name=small)

Seriously,  Chuck Grassley will be dead in the house and no body will notice for about a week. 

Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Crouton on November 11, 2022, 10:55:05 PM
My favorite now delete tweet is SpaceX saying just bring us a jar and we'll fill it up with rocket fuel for $11.

You've got to admit, it doesn't sound like something Musk would do.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Unconvinced on November 12, 2022, 06:32:19 AM

It could be as simple as "we don't need alot of direct government services (public transit, police protection, etc...) Because we're more self reliant.
Or it could be about trust.  People in small towns probably trust one another more because they interact with the same people often.  But in a city, well, you could have a different cashier at the grocery store, every trip, for a month.

I think in the US, some of it might be a bit deeper than that.  (Bare in mind, Im basing this largely on Hill Valley in the Back to the Future trilogy)

A lot of small towns were built only a few generations ago by a bunch of mainly European settlers who wanted to leave the old world behind and start from scratch.

In Europe, small towns tend to be quite ancient and even before current countries emerged, the land was ruled by feudal kings and lords going back to the Middle Ages.  In the village I grew up in, the church is over 800 years old and there’s been some kind of settlement there since at at least the Roman Empire.  No one can say their great grandfather arrived when there was basically nothing and helped build the clock tower.

It’s not that surprising that much of small town America would have a strong sense of just wanting to do their own shit without too much interference from central government. It’s basically why many of these towns exist in the first place.  That would naturally be much less evident in the cities.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Lorddave on November 12, 2022, 12:58:45 PM

It could be as simple as "we don't need alot of direct government services (public transit, police protection, etc...) Because we're more self reliant.
Or it could be about trust.  People in small towns probably trust one another more because they interact with the same people often.  But in a city, well, you could have a different cashier at the grocery store, every trip, for a month.

I think in the US, some of it might be a bit deeper than that.  (Bare in mind, Im basing this largely on Hill Valley in the Back to the Future trilogy)

A lot of small towns were built only a few generations ago by a bunch of mainly European settlers who wanted to leave the old world behind and start from scratch.

In Europe, small towns tend to be quite ancient and even before current countries emerged, the land was ruled by feudal kings and lords going back to the Middle Ages.  In the village I grew up in, the church is over 800 years old and there’s been some kind of settlement there since at at least the Roman Empire.  No one can say their great grandfather arrived when there was basically nothing and helped build the clock tower.

It’s not that surprising that much of small town America would have a strong sense of just wanting to do their own shit without too much interference from central government. It’s basically why many of these towns exist in the first place.  That would naturally be much less evident in the cities.
Nah.  Most small towns in the middle of America were founded by people moving west for work or the promise of land.  Land that used to be indian land.

Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Unconvinced on November 12, 2022, 02:47:30 PM

It could be as simple as "we don't need alot of direct government services (public transit, police protection, etc...) Because we're more self reliant.
Or it could be about trust.  People in small towns probably trust one another more because they interact with the same people often.  But in a city, well, you could have a different cashier at the grocery store, every trip, for a month.

I think in the US, some of it might be a bit deeper than that.  (Bare in mind, Im basing this largely on Hill Valley in the Back to the Future trilogy)

A lot of small towns were built only a few generations ago by a bunch of mainly European settlers who wanted to leave the old world behind and start from scratch.

In Europe, small towns tend to be quite ancient and even before current countries emerged, the land was ruled by feudal kings and lords going back to the Middle Ages.  In the village I grew up in, the church is over 800 years old and there’s been some kind of settlement there since at at least the Roman Empire.  No one can say their great grandfather arrived when there was basically nothing and helped build the clock tower.

It’s not that surprising that much of small town America would have a strong sense of just wanting to do their own shit without too much interference from central government. It’s basically why many of these towns exist in the first place.  That would naturally be much less evident in the cities.
Nah.  Most small towns in the middle of America were founded by people moving west for work or the promise of land.  Land that used to be indian land.

I was going with the romanticized version, where native Americans don’t count.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Lorddave on November 12, 2022, 03:22:41 PM

It could be as simple as "we don't need alot of direct government services (public transit, police protection, etc...) Because we're more self reliant.
Or it could be about trust.  People in small towns probably trust one another more because they interact with the same people often.  But in a city, well, you could have a different cashier at the grocery store, every trip, for a month.

I think in the US, some of it might be a bit deeper than that.  (Bare in mind, Im basing this largely on Hill Valley in the Back to the Future trilogy)

A lot of small towns were built only a few generations ago by a bunch of mainly European settlers who wanted to leave the old world behind and start from scratch.

In Europe, small towns tend to be quite ancient and even before current countries emerged, the land was ruled by feudal kings and lords going back to the Middle Ages.  In the village I grew up in, the church is over 800 years old and there’s been some kind of settlement there since at at least the Roman Empire.  No one can say their great grandfather arrived when there was basically nothing and helped build the clock tower.

It’s not that surprising that much of small town America would have a strong sense of just wanting to do their own shit without too much interference from central government. It’s basically why many of these towns exist in the first place.  That would naturally be much less evident in the cities.
Nah.  Most small towns in the middle of America were founded by people moving west for work or the promise of land.  Land that used to be indian land.

I was going with the romanticized version, where native Americans don’t count.
Then it would be...
"We moved west, from the crowded, polluted cities like Boston and Philidelphia, following the Railway lines and the Oregan trail.  We lost 3 children to dysentery."
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: markjo on November 12, 2022, 05:14:12 PM
My favorite now delete tweet is SpaceX saying just bring us a jar and we'll fill it up with rocket fuel for $11.
RP-1 or methane?
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Crouton on November 12, 2022, 05:31:28 PM
I imagine a soda fountain time situation.

Personally I'd opt for lox.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Crouton on November 12, 2022, 06:35:45 PM
The democrats have officially kept the senate.

Probably will lose the house still.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Rayzor on November 12, 2022, 06:36:46 PM
Dems hold the Senate.  So if Warnock wins the Georgia Runoff that will be 51:49

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhaOiXeWIAErBpd?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Crouton on November 12, 2022, 06:47:24 PM
It would be great to keep Georgia. We wouldn't have to appease manchin.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 12, 2022, 09:37:44 PM
Thanks Trump. The dems hold the senate. If you hadn't inserted yourself in this the repugs would have smashed them.

Trump gave the democrats the election in 2020 and now ensured they held the senate.

Trump may be the dems best weapon.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Lorddave on November 13, 2022, 01:16:45 AM
God damn.
All those Red Wave memes would look even worse aged if Dems gained a seat.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Crouton on November 14, 2022, 07:31:47 PM
Down does Kari lake. And on the eve of Trump's big announcement.

Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 14, 2022, 07:54:16 PM
Down does Kari lake. And on the eve of Trump's big announcement.

Nice! 8)
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Rayzor on November 16, 2022, 11:18:35 PM
Hershel Walker,  has started rambling on and on about vampires and werewolves.   I guess it's a step up from Martians.

Seriously, this guy is fantastic entertainment value. 

https://www.sbnation.com/2022/11/16/23463103/herschel-walker-georgia-vampires-speech-runoff
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 16, 2022, 11:21:55 PM
The holy spirit really can and will use anyone.

I don't need holy water, or a wooden cross. He's not wrong.
My faith alone can move mountains.

Quote
But as he floated from the ceiling the kid jumped behind their hero, and they jumped behind their hero, the guy jumped in front of them with this holy water threw it on the vampire forehead, he covered his eyes. Then he took his hand away and started laughing. And he said “that don’t work.” He took the cross and put it on the vampire forehead and the vampire didn’t even do anything he said “that don’t work.” And that’s where it is in our life. It don’t even work unless you’ve got faith.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Rayzor on November 16, 2022, 11:31:28 PM
My faith alone can move mountains.

Can your faith keep you on-topic?
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: disputeone on November 16, 2022, 11:35:10 PM
We settled this topic.

You were right.

You called it.

No one else expected such a strong Democratic showing. I told a few of my friends that Democrats would do far better than expected and I told them I have it on very good authority.

Again, thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Rayzor on November 22, 2022, 04:47:22 AM
Back to Hershel Walker,

The ‘riding in an elevator to see Satan’ story didn’t work.
The bull getting 6 cows pregnant story was ill-advised.
The werewolves killing vampire story was bizarre.
Warnock cancelling Archie Bunker was a mess.
Support for Martian immigrants didn't catch on like he thought it would.

I missed the Archie Bunker thing,  but it's worth a recap.  https://www.wonkette.com/herschel-walker-just-wondering-why-raphael-warnock-canceled-archie-bunker

Can you imagine the fun we will have if this guy becomes a US Senator,   please please Georgia, don't let this opportunity pass by.


I would have preferred Alf Garnet over Archie Bunker anyway.  Another great comedy completely screwed over by the Yanks.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Rayzor on November 22, 2022, 10:16:15 PM
I can't let this one pass...

“This erection is about the people.” - Herschel Walker

yes, he said that

I guess he's excited.
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Crouton on November 23, 2022, 06:18:08 AM
I WILL MARCH ON THE VAMPIRE CAPITOL IF THE ELECTION IS STOLEN FROM HERSCHEL WALKER!!!
Title: Re: 2022 US midterm elections
Post by: Stash on November 23, 2022, 10:56:59 AM
Seriously, this guy is fantastic entertainment value. 

Half of me, the sane half, doesn't want him anywhere near a wall socket, let alone any other power source. The other half soooo wants him in just for the comedy that will ensue.