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Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: wise on March 14, 2019, 10:54:16 PM
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Attacker posted 87-page "anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim" manifesto
So far, police have arrested four people in connection with the attack on two Christchurch mosques -- three men and one woman.
Shooter believed to be an "Australian national": TVNZ
TVNZ journalist Anna Burns-Francis told CNN at least one of the shooters is believed to be an Australian national.
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https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/new-zealand-christchurch-shooting-intl/index.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47578798
I condemn this cruel act against the humanity.
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I condemn this cruel act against the humanity.
100%
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Deads 40 for now.
As a preventation to provocations, internet is darkened in Turkey since this morning. I am connecting with a secure connection but general usage for public is closed.
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Retards, no justification
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Retards, no justification
Internet hate groups have a lot to answer for. These crazies have no filter to separate truth from fiction.
49 dead according to Al Jazeera
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Internet hate groups have a lot to answer for. These crazies have no filter to separate truth from fiction.
4chan?
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Internet hate groups have a lot to answer for. These crazies have no filter to separate truth from fiction.
4chan?
Yep, thems a nest of right plumb crazies in that there 4chan thingy.
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Internet has returned back with video filtering. I saw it in a friend's smartphone. It acts like rpg. It's like the people there don't live at all. It is a pity that new zealand will be remembered with this event.
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The manifesto, littered with conspiracy theories about white birthrates and “white genocide,” is the latest sign that a lethal vision of white nationalism has spread internationally. Its title, “The Great Replacement,” echoes the rallying cry of, among others, the torch-bearing protesters who marched in Charlottesville in 2017.
The digital platforms apparently enlisted in the shooting highlight a distinctly 21st-century dimension of mass gun violence — one sure to put more pressure on social media companies already under scrutiny about how they police their services.
Yeah this is why we rail so hard against white supremacist talking points here. Because this is what it leads to.
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Do they have the death penalty in NZ? I hope so so they can fry these f*ckers.
I know this might sound like I am trying to start a gun debate, but the last time someone shot up a church here, he was stopped by a civilian who had a rifle.
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I'm guessing they have gun laws similar to Australia. But that's poorly informed speculation on my part. I doubt strong gun laws would have done much here. These were extremely determined terrorists. Gun laws are more effective towards casual and poorly motivated terrorists.
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I've heard there is a political manifesto floating around online from one of the shooters.
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Wasn't he on 8chan? I think there is also a torrent of the shooting somewhere.
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I've heard there is a political manifesto floating around online from one of the shooters.
Yeah, not sure where to find it though. There's also the shooting video somewhere and a bunch of people managed to glance at his Twitter and Facebook before they were taken down. Apparently he said "subscribe to Pewds" just before the shooting.
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Wasn't he on 8chan? I think there is also a torrent of the shooting somewhere.
Yeah, he posted about the attack on 8chan and a bunch of freaks there were cheering for him.
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Oh, look, they're still cheering for him: https://8ch.net/pol/res/12920393.html
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Here's an archive of the 8chan thread https://archive.fo/yxi4m
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Just be careful because they've uploaded the vids there and they're obviously NSFL.
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What the actual fuck
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I found his manifesto:
https://pastebin.com/DMtt5xka
Not sure if it's the full thing.
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I haven't read the manifesto, but I heard he thought he'd start a civil war in the US... by shooting up Muslims in NZ. That doesn't even make sense.
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I haven't read the manifesto, but I heard he thought he'd start a civil war in the US... by shooting up Muslims in NZ. That doesn't even make sense.
The idea is to "inspire" more people to make similar terrorist attacks globally. He's not the only one or the first one with this idea.
I'm reading his manifesto right now, I'll mention anything interesting I come across.
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He talks a lot about "white genocide" and fertility rates, obviously.
He made some money from Bitconnect (lol).
This is how he explains the reasons for his attack:
Why did you carry out the attack?
To most of all show the invaders that our lands will never be their lands,
our homelands are our own and that, as long as a white man still lives,
they will NEVER conquer our lands and they will never replace our
people.
To take revenge on the invaders for the hundreds of thousands of deaths
caused by foreign invaders in European lands throughout history.
To take revenge for the enslavement of millions of Europeans taken from
their lands by the Islamic slavers.
To take revenge for the thousands of European lives lost to terror attacks
throughout European lands.
To take revenge for Ebba Akerlund.
To directly reduce immigration rates to European lands by intimidating
and physically removing the invaders themselves.
To agitate the political enemies of my people into action, to cause them to
overextend their own hand and experience the eventual and inevitable
backlash as a result.
To incite violence, retaliation and further divide between the European
people and the invaders currently occupying European soil.
To avenge those European men and women lost in the constant and never
ending wars of European history who died for their lands, died for their
people only to have their lands given away to any foreign scum that
bother to show up.
To agitate the political enemies of my people into action, to over extend
their own hand and experience the eventual backlash.
To show the effect of direct action, lighting a path forward for those that
wish to follow.A path for those that wish to free their ancestors lands
from the invaders grasp and to be a beacon for those that wish to create a
lasting culture, to tell them they are not alone.
To create an atmosphere of fear and change in which drastic,powerful and
revolutionary action can occur.
To add momentum to the pendulum swings of history, further
destabilizing and polarizing Western society in order to eventually
destroy the current nihilistic, hedonistic, individualistic insanity that has
taken control of Western thought.
To drive a wedge between the nations of NATO that are European and
the Turks that also make a part of the NATO forces, thereby turning
NATO once more into a united European army and pushing the Turkey
once more back to the true position of a foreign, enemy force.
Finally, to create conflict between the two ideologies within the United
States on the ownership of firearms in order to further the social, cultural,
political and racial divide within the United states.This conflict over the
2nd amendment and the attempted removal of firearms rights will
ultimately result in a civil war that will eventually balkanize the US along
political, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.
This balkanization of the US will not only result in the racial separation
of the people within the United States ensuring the future of the White
race on the North American continent, but also ensuring the death of the
“melting pot” pipe dream.
Furthermore this balkanization will also reduce the USA’s ability to
project power globally, and thereby ensure that never again can such a
situation as the US involvement in Kosovo ever occur again(where
US/NATO forces fought beside muslims and slaughtered Christian
Europeans attempting to remove these Islamic occupiers from Europe).
I believe this is the part you were talking about, SCG.
Directly after it he says:
We must ensure the existence of our people, and a future for white
children.
The 14 words. Of course.
He claims the first major event that made him turn towards a "revolutionary solution" was the terror
attack in Stockholm on the 7th of April 2017 and the death of a little girl there. After that it was the French elections. He was really disappointed that LePen lost, although he considered her a "milquetoast civic nationalist", and lost faith in "democratic solutions". Finally, it was him visiting France and seeing all the "invaders" there.
He also says this:
Did the groups you support/are aligned with order or promote your
attack?
No.No group ordered my attack, I make the decision myself. Though I
did contact the reborn Knights Templar for a blessing in support of the
attack, which was given.
This is referring to Breivik as is later explained. Not sure how he communicated with Breivik.
This was also kinda interesting, although I am not 100% sure to what extent it is honest and to what extent it's just him trolling journalists:
I could have chosen any weapons or means.A TATP filled rental van.
Household flour, a method of dispersion and an ignition source.A
ballpeen hammer and a wooden shield.Gas,fire,vehicular attacks,plane
attacks, any means were available. I had the will and I had the resources.
I chose firearms for the affect it would have on social discourse, the extra
media coverage they would provide and the affect it could have on the
politics of United states and thereby the political situation of the world.
The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state,
social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.
With enough pressure the left wing within the United states will seek to
abolish the second amendment, and the right wing within the US will see
this as an attack on their very freedom and liberty.
This attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic
polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing
of the US along cultural and racial lines.
And of course he plays on the now familiar trope of how the REAL diversity is everyone living in different countries:
Was the attack anti-diversity in origin?
No, the attack was not an attack on diversity, but an attack in the name of
diversity. To ensure diverse peoples remain diverse, separate, unique,undiluted in
unrestrained in cultural or ethnic expression and autonomy.
To ensure that the peoples of the world remain true to their traditions and
faiths and do not become watered down and corrupted by the influence of
outsiders. The attack was to ensure a preservation of beauty, art and
tradition. In my mind a rainbow is only beautiful to due its variety of
colours, mix the colours together and you destroy them all and they are
gone forever and the end result is far from anything beautiful.
What pisses me off is that we keep saying this is Nazi shit and so many people don't believe us and this crap happens.
Also he likes cops, he says that he'd avoid killing one at all costs because they're "loyal to their people" in NZ and Australia.
He says he will plead not guilty, because "the attack was a partisan action against a
occupying force, and I am a lawful, uniformed combatant".
He then keeps talking about he has no issue with people living in their own countries, he only hates "invaders", and how he is not a conservative because it's "corporatism in disguise", and then this:
Were/are you a christian?
That is complicated.
When I know, I will tell you.
Not sure what this is supposed to mean.
Also this is kinda interesting:
Were/are you a fascist?
Yes. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist.
I am sure the journalists will love that.
I mostly agree with Sir Oswald Mosley’s views and consider myself an
Eco-fascist by nature.
The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the
People’s Republic of China.
Was there a political figure or party in history you most associate
yourself with?
Sir Oswald Mosley is the person from history closest to my own beliefs.
Not sure who this Mosley guy is, I'll look into it more.
Then there is this non-sensical passage:
Were/are you “right wing”?
Depending on the definition, sure.
Were/are you “left wing”?
Depending on the definition, sure.
Were/are you a socialist?
Depending on the definition. Worker ownership of the means of
production? It depends on who those workers are, their intents, who
currently owns the means of production, their intents and who currently
owns the state, and its intents.
He says he supports Trump when it comes to "renewed white identity", but not as a leader and policy maker. He supports Brexit for countering immigration.
Also this:
Did you always hold these views?
No, when I was young I was a communist, then an anarchist and finally a
libertarian before coming to be an eco-fascist.
He also praised Luca Traini, Anders Breivik, Dylan Roof, Anton Lundin
Pettersson, and Darren Osbourne.
Also this ridiculous thing:
I do not just expected to be released, but I also expect an eventual Nobel
Peace prize.As was awarded to the Terrorist Nelson Mandela once his
own people achieved victory and took power. I expect to be freed in 27 years from my incarceration, the same number
of years as Mandela, for the same crime.
He memes some more.
His idea about democracy and education:
Democracy is the only solution, why are you committing to force?
Democracy is mob rule and the mob itself is ruled by our enemies. The
global and corporate run press controls them, the education system(long
since fallen to the long march through the institutions carried out by the
marxists)controls them, the state(long since heavily lost to its corporate
backers)controls them and the anti-white media machine controls them.
Do not suffer under the delusion of an effortless, riskless democratic
victory.
Prepare for war, prepare for violence and prepare for risk, loss, struggle,
death.
Force is the only path to power and the only path to true victory.
His views on various groups:
To Conservatives
Ask yourself, truly, what has modern conservatism managed to conserve?
What does it seek to conserve? The natural environment?Western Culture?
Ethnic autonomy? Religion? The nation? The race?
Nothing is conserved. The natural environment is industrialized,
pulverized and commoditized.
Western culture is trivialized, pulped and blended into a smear of
meaningless nothing, with the only tenets and beliefs seemingly held to
are the myth of the individual, the value of work (productivity for the
benefit of your capitalist owners) and the sovereignty of private property
(to ensure none of us get grand ideas of taking the unearned wealth of our
owners).
Ethnic autonomy? Destroyed in the name of cheap labour, whilst they
may publicly object to the illegal immigration of the third world masses,
privately they push for as much migration as possible, anything to
decrease the labour cost of production and line their pockets with the
profits. They removed the Europeans peoples autonomy and sovereignty
for their own lust for power and wealth.
Religion? What remains? Empty churches and full shopping centers?
Drive through confessionals and no fault divorce? Any religious ideal that
stood between the wealthy and wealth generation was downplayed,
sidelined and quietly dismantled. All so that they could line their pockets
without complaints or objections
The nation? What nations do we have to conserve? What our own nations
now based on? Their is no shared culture, ethnicity, language, values or
beliefs. Anyone can be a member of our nation, as long as they have the
paperwork. They need not be born here, share our race, our language, our
culture or our beliefs. Hear the conservatives cry, as long as they are
willing to WORK, let them in! Let them earn our wealthy benefactors
their second yachts and their fifth properties!
The Race? They don’t even BELIEVE in the race, they don’t even have
the gall to say race exists. And above all they don’t even care if it does.
It’s profit, and profit alone that drives them, all else is secondary. The
notion of a racial future or destiny is as foreign to them as social
responsibilities.
Not a thing has been conserved other than corporate profits and the the
ever increasing wealth of the 1% that exploit the people for their own
benefit.
Conservatism is dead. Thank god. Now let us bury it and move on to
something of worth.
CONSERVATISM IS DEAD, THANK GOD
To Christians
“The people worthy of glory, the people blessed by God Our Lord, moan
and fall under the weight of these outrages and most shameful
humiliations. The race of the elect suffers outrageous persecutions, and
the impious race of the Saracens respects neither the virgins of the Lord
nor the colleges of priests. They run over the weak and the elderly, they
seize the children from their mothers so that they might forget, among the
barbarians, the name of God. That perverse nation profanes the
hospices … The temple of the Lord is treated like a criminal and the
ornaments of the sanctuary are robbed.
“What more shall I say to you?
“We are disgraced, sons and brothers, who live in these days of calamities!
Can we look at the world in this century reproved by Heaven to witness
the desolation of the Holy City and remain in peace while it is so
oppressed? Is it not preferable to die in war rather than suffer any longer
so horrible a spectacle? Let us all weep for our faults that raise the divine
ire, yes, let us weep… But let not our tears be like the seed thrown into
the sand. Let the fire of our repentance raise up the Holy War and the
love of our brethren lead us into combat. Let our lives be stronger than
death to fight against the enemies of the Christian people.”
ASK YOURSELF, WHAT WOULD POPE URBAN II DO?
To Antifa/Marxists/Communists
I do not want to convert you, I do not want to come to an understanding.
Egalitarians and those that believe in heirachy will never come to terms.I
don’t want you by my side or I don’t want share power.
I want you in my sights. I want your neck under my boot.
SEE YOU ON THE STREETS YOU ANTI-WHITE SCUM
To turks
You can live in peace in your own lands, and may no harm come to you.
On the east side of the Bosphorus.
But if you attempt to live in European lands, anywhere west of the
Bosphorus.We will kill you and drive you roaches from our lands.
We are coming for Constantinople and we will destroy every mosque and
minaret in the city.
The Hagia Sophia will be free of minarets and Constantinople will be
rightfully christian owned once more.
FLEE TO YOUR OWN LANDS, WHILE YOU STILL HAVE THE
CHANCE
The Constantinople bit is extremely reminiscent of what loads of dumb fucks here in Greece believe.
He then panics a lot about rape of women by non whites.
He disses diversity a bunch for making nations weak in contrast to China, and he talks about how it creates conflict.
He says that green nationalism is the only true nationalism, because we have to preserve our lands or something. He also says this:
For too long we have allowed the left to co-opt the environmentalist
movement to serve their own needs. The left has controlled all discussion
regarding environmental preservation whilst simultaneously presiding
over the continued destruction of the natural environment itself through
mass immigration and uncontrolled urbanization, whilst offering no true
solution to either issue.
This too:
KILL ANGELA MERKEL, KILL ERDOGAN, KILL SADIQ KHAN
There's a big section of repetitive rants where he calls to kill your local "anti white CEO", drug dealer, "invader", etc.
This was also very telling of their world view:
It is never wise to become a minority group.
In every country, on every continent, those that are in the minority are
oppressed. If you become a social, political or ethnic minority it will
always lead to your oppression.
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MINORITIES ARE NEVER TREATED WELL, DO NOT BECOME
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It's interesting how these people don't deny that oppression of minorities exists. I think it's a big part of forming racist worldviews and the mentalities of these extremists. There are people who recognize the oppression and want to end it, then there are people who panic that they will end up being oppressed themselves.
He also thinks all institutions are controlled by marxists, or something. And of COURSE he talks about evil "cultural marxists".
That about covers it. Now you won't need to go through this drivel yourselves if you're curious.
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I don't know how I know this but I"m certain Trump is going to use this as further proof that we need to build a wall.
This starting a civil war in America over gun rights though, these people don't understand us obviously. If our response to Sandy Hook is to do exactly nothing then why does he think we'd budge for this?
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I don't know how I know this but I"m certain Trump is going to use this as further proof that we need to build a wall.
This starting a civil war in America over gun rights though, these people don't understand us obviously. If our response to Sandy Hook is to do exactly nothing then why does he think we'd budge for this?
His chan echo chambers don't always give that impression, I occasionally browse them and the people there have some confused ideas about things.
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BREAKING NEWS: When asked if white nationalism was a rising threat in the wake of the attacks on mosques in New Zealand that left 49 people dead, President Trump on Friday said: “I don’t really. I think it’s a small group of people.” Trump called the incident “a terrible thing” and said he had not seen a manifesto, purportedly from one of the attackers, that named him as an inspiration for white identity ideology.
Trump made the remarks during an Oval Office ceremony in which he vetoed legislation aimed at halting his border emergency and complained about an “invasion” of illegal immigrants over the southern U.S. border.
It's Charlottesville all over again.
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BREAKING NEWS: When asked if white nationalism was a rising threat in the wake of the attacks on mosques in New Zealand that left 49 people dead, President Trump on Friday said: “I don’t really. I think it’s a small group of people.” Trump called the incident “a terrible thing” and said he had not seen a manifesto, purportedly from one of the attackers, that named him as an inspiration for white identity ideology.
Trump made the remarks during an Oval Office ceremony in which he vetoed legislation aimed at halting his border emergency and complained about an “invasion” of illegal immigrants over the southern U.S. border.
It's Charlottesville all over again.
Fucking lame. Btw, as I mentioned, the manifesto did say that he supported Trump as a "symbol of renewed white identity", so he's being pretty damn dishonest here.
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Wasn't he on 8chan? I think there is also a torrent of the shooting somewhere.
Yeah but JerkFace wanted to take a dig at disputeone
Quite sad he used this atrocity for pettiness.
I don't think there will be any justice though. He acted in a country that is soft on its crime for a reason. This guy will live out the remainder of his life in a relatively comfortable jail protected by his "rights"
Just put a bullet in his worthless head and chuck the body in a landfill of rubbish where he belongs.
The media needs to stop posting his rubbish 'manifesto' and stop posting shit about this guys life. Stop posting his name and for gods sake, don't make yet another movie about this real life atrocity.
If the guy was after notoriety, then do not grant it.
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Wasn't he on 8chan? I think there is also a torrent of the shooting somewhere.
Yeah but JerkFace wanted to take a dig at disputeone
Actually d1 said he doesn't use 4chan and prefers some other chan, which I think was 8chan. A lot of the stuff mentioned in the manifesto was very similar to what d1 said tbh, but with less Jews generally.
I don't think there will be any justice though. He acted in a country that is soft on its crime for a reason. This guy will live out the remainder of his life in a relatively comfortable jail protected by his "rights"
Nah, the guy didn't really care about dying or being arrested. He said that he originally went to NZ to train, or get equipment, or something like that (don't remember exactly) but he realised there were plenty of "intruders" there as well, and he also thought that it would be better because no one expected anything like that to happen there, and it would make people think that no place is safe and that "intruders" are everywhere, so he stayed.
The media needs to stop posting his rubbish 'manifesto'
The media is not posting his manifesto, I had to go to 4chan to find it.
and stop posting shit about this guys life. Stop posting his name and for gods sake, don't make yet another movie about this real life atrocity.
No, people have to be aware of what leads to these actions.
f the guy was after notoriety, then do not grant it.
He specifically said he doesn't care about notoriety and expects he will be forgotten in a few years anyways. That was not the main point of his attack.
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Do they have the death penalty in NZ? I hope so so they can fry these f*ckers.
I know this might sound like I am trying to start a gun debate, but the last time someone shot up a church here, he was stopped by a civilian who had a rifle.
Some guy managed to tackle him, and almost got his gun but the shooter managed to shoot him before that.
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Wasn't he on 8chan? I think there is also a torrent of the shooting somewhere.
Yeah but JerkFace wanted to take a dig at disputeone
Actually d1 said he doesn't use 4chan and prefers some other chan, which I think was 8chan. A lot of the stuff mentioned in the manifesto was very similar to what d1 said tbh, but with less Jews generally.
I don't think there will be any justice though. He acted in a country that is soft on its crime for a reason. This guy will live out the remainder of his life in a relatively comfortable jail protected by his "rights"
Nah, the guy didn't really care about dying or being arrested. He said that he originally went to NZ to train, or get equipment, or something like that (don't remember exactly) but he realised there were plenty of "intruders" there as well, and he also thought that it would be better because no one expected anything like that to happen there, and it would make people think that no place is safe and that "intruders" are everywhere, so he stayed.
The media needs to stop posting his rubbish 'manifesto'
The media is not posting his manifesto, I had to go to 4chan to find it.
and stop posting shit about this guys life. Stop posting his name and for gods sake, don't make yet another movie about this real life atrocity.
No, people have to be aware of what leads to these actions.
f the guy was after notoriety, then do not grant it.
He specifically said he doesn't care about notoriety and expects he will be forgotten in a few years anyways. That was not the main point of his attack.
The media here keeps posting excerpts of his manifesto. His face, his name etc. They should stop. Not in a 'censored' way but in a dismissive way. The guys name is not worth a shit.
Refreshing to see the media call him a terrorist though and lump him with the other shit bags this guy professes to hate.
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The media here keeps posting excerpts of his manifesto.
Yeah, they're posting small excerpts, but it's hard to find the whole thing on the Internet.
His face, his name etc. They should stop.
There's like 0 reason to stop. What would it change? As I said, it's better if people know. Knowing makes you understand the issues that lead to people doing things like this. Not knowing is. Not publishing this information leads to only the chan assholes talking about it.
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Do these white nationalist dudes not know that they are the intruders?
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I'm guessing they have gun laws similar to Australia. But that's poorly informed speculation on my part. I doubt strong gun laws would have done much here. These were extremely determined terrorists. Gun laws are more effective towards casual and poorly motivated terrorists.
This goes to show a nut that wants a gun will figure out a way to get one. That is why we should all be allowed and encouraged to open carry a gun with the proper training courses.
No one will do this if they know it is a high possibility to die before shooting one person.
The media here keeps posting excerpts of his manifesto. His face, his name etc. They should stop. Not in a 'censored' way but in a dismissive way. The guys name is not worth a shit.
Refreshing to see the media call him a terrorist though and lump him with the other shit bags this guy professes to hate.
Absolutely...I hate when they give these poor excuses of humans any voice. I don't give a fuck anything this fuck has to say...
As to your other post, he shouldn't be given the death penalty. He should be put in a public square and anyone who was effected should be allowed to whip him. Just for a day...then dropped in the middle of the ocean to let drown. Knowing every stroke he takes is closer and closer to his death...then finally, when he runs out of energy, taking that last breath of only water....knowing no one is coming for you and absolutely NO ONE cares.
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I'm guessing they have gun laws similar to Australia. But that's poorly informed speculation on my part. I doubt strong gun laws would have done much here. These were extremely determined terrorists. Gun laws are more effective towards casual and poorly motivated terrorists.
This goes to show a nut that wants a gun will figure out a way to get one.
I'm not sure what the laws there are like, but he got the guns legally.
No one will do this if they know it is a high possibility to die before shooting one person.
I mean, even in the US usually they're not stopped before they shoot at least some people, even when they are eventually stopped by civilians...
Absolutely...I hate when they give these poor excuses of humans any voice. I don't give a fuck anything this fuck has to say...
Then this stuff will keep happening and you'll be wondering why it is happening.
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I'm guessing they have gun laws similar to Australia. But that's poorly informed speculation on my part. I doubt strong gun laws would have done much here. These were extremely determined terrorists. Gun laws are more effective towards casual and poorly motivated terrorists.
This goes to show a nut that wants a gun will figure out a way to get one.
I'm not sure what the laws there are like, but he got the guns legally.
No one will do this if they know it is a high possibility to die before shooting one person.
I mean, even in the US usually they're not stopped before they shoot at least some people, even when they are eventually stopped by civilians...
Absolutely...I hate when they give these poor excuses of humans any voice. I don't give a fuck anything this fuck has to say...
Then this stuff will keep happening and you'll be wondering why it is happening.
In areas where people carry guns in a high dilution, yes they are. Military cases for example, the only place shootings have happened is in areas that did not allow weapons.
Other cases the person was stopped after a couple shots or shooting one person when they would have shot way way more. If the majority of people carried guns openly, it would all but stop this shit.
Also, all they should say is the guy was a white supremacist and then that's it. One blurb, give him nothing else.
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I'm guessing they have gun laws similar to Australia. But that's poorly informed speculation on my part. I doubt strong gun laws would have done much here. These were extremely determined terrorists. Gun laws are more effective towards casual and poorly motivated terrorists.
This goes to show a nut that wants a gun will figure out a way to get one. That is why we should all be allowed and encouraged to open carry a gun with the proper training courses.
No one will do this if they know it is a high possibility to die before shooting one person.
I disagree with this. We use laws in general to deter criminals. They're effective because overcoming them takes determination and intelligence. Most criminals tend to be lazy and stupid.
Also, I seriously doubt you would ever reach a state of combat readiness that the instant someone draws a gun they get shot. Stoneman Douglas had armed guards. Didn't help at all. At the Mandalay bay massacre, if you armed every single person in the crowd it would have done exactly nothing.
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I'm guessing they have gun laws similar to Australia. But that's poorly informed speculation on my part. I doubt strong gun laws would have done much here. These were extremely determined terrorists. Gun laws are more effective towards casual and poorly motivated terrorists.
This goes to show a nut that wants a gun will figure out a way to get one. That is why we should all be allowed and encouraged to open carry a gun with the proper training courses.
No one will do this if they know it is a high possibility to die before shooting one person.
I disagree with this. We use laws in general to deter criminals. They're effective because overcoming them takes determination and intelligence. Most criminals tend to be lazy and stupid.
Also, I seriously doubt you would ever reach a state of combat readiness that the instant someone draws a gun they get shot. Stoneman Douglas had armed guards. Didn't help at all. At the Mandalay bay massacre, if you armed every single person in the crowd it would have done exactly nothing.
Yes, combat readiness is one thing, however, it is more mental than anything.
Mentally you will not want to draw a gun to shoot someone when everyone around you has pistols on their hip. Subliminally your brain will say no.
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Attacker posted 87-page "anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim" manifesto
So far, police have arrested four people in connection with the attack on two Christchurch mosques -- three men and one woman.
Shooter believed to be an "Australian national": TVNZ
TVNZ journalist Anna Burns-Francis told CNN at least one of the shooters is believed to be an Australian national.
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https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/new-zealand-christchurch-shooting-intl/index.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47578798
I condemn this cruel act against the humanity.
I have to agree 100%. I've not commented so far because it's just too terrible to put into words.
Possibly he was seeking "vengence" for some acts by Islamic extremists in Europe and elsewhere.
But Muslims in general seem as much against these senseless acts by Islamic extremists as anybody else.
If that was his excuse he chose the wrong target and will only bolster more support for the extremists of all persuasions.
In my opinion one of the main objectives if these Islamic extremists is to drive a wedge between moderate Muslims and the rest of society.
And this terrible act in New Zealand by an Australian, I'm ashamed to say, is just going to drive that wedge still deeper.
So, I can do little more than express the deepest sorrow and sympathy to the families and friends of the victims of this tragic event.
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The media here keeps posting excerpts of his manifesto.
Yeah, they're posting small excerpts, but it's hard to find the whole thing on the Internet.
His face, his name etc. They should stop.
There's like 0 reason to stop. What would it change? As I said, it's better if people know. Knowing makes you understand the issues that lead to people doing things like this. Not knowing is. Not publishing this information leads to only the chan assholes talking about it.
Zero reason to stop? That bastard that killed all those people in Norway has a cult following. The more we post about this piece of shit the more people he snares an audience.
He's not exactly going to say 'Cool I'm on TV! Everyone will remember me! They're even going to make a movie about me!
He knew going into this the MSM would do it, egged on by his 8chan dickwads.
Why you believe giving noteriety to these hideous people escapes me.
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I'm guessing they have gun laws similar to Australia. But that's poorly informed speculation on my part. I doubt strong gun laws would have done much here. These were extremely determined terrorists. Gun laws are more effective towards casual and poorly motivated terrorists.
This goes to show a nut that wants a gun will figure out a way to get one. That is why we should all be allowed and encouraged to open carry a gun with the proper training courses.
No one will do this if they know it is a high possibility to die before shooting one person.
I disagree with this. We use laws in general to deter criminals. They're effective because overcoming them takes determination and intelligence. Most criminals tend to be lazy and stupid.
Also, I seriously doubt you would ever reach a state of combat readiness that the instant someone draws a gun they get shot. Stoneman Douglas had armed guards. Didn't help at all. At the Mandalay bay massacre, if you armed every single person in the crowd it would have done exactly nothing.
Yes, combat readiness is one thing, however, it is more mental than anything.
Mentally you will not want to draw a gun to shoot someone when everyone around you has pistols on their hip. Subliminally your brain will say no.
FFS, stop it with the pro gun bullshit.
The real problem is on-line radicalization. Youtube and Facebook algorithms pushing people into echo chambers.
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I never said that wasn't the problem Rayzor.
I was simply saying people would be very hesitant to try and shoot up a place if there were visible guns everywhere.
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I never said that wasn't the problem Rayzor.
I was simply saying people would be very hesitant to try and shoot up a place if there were visible guns everywhere.
Not really, one simply shoots all the people with guns first. That's what soldiers are trained to do. And I'm pretty sure this maniac wasn't hesitant about anything.
There's literally no pro-gun stance amid the senselessness of yet another mass slaying.
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In areas where people carry guns in a high dilution, yes they are. Military cases for example, the only place shootings have happened is in areas that did not allow weapons.
Somehow I think it's a really bad and weird idea to militarize everything...
Other cases the person was stopped after a couple shots or shooting one person when they would have shot way way more. If the majority of people carried guns openly, it would all but stop this shit.
Or cause more shit. If it's normalized then someone walking around with a bunch of guns won't raise any eyebrows. Not to mention all the accidents and the people pulling guns out of rage and the potentially deadly false alarms. And in many cases they wouldn't have been able to do anything anyways.
He did say he could have used any other means of killing these people, he chose guns because that would turn attention to the gun controll issue.
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Zero reason to stop? That bastard that killed all those people in Norway has a cult following. The more we post about this piece of shit the more people he snares an audience.
The people who would do that ALREADY KNEW. People on 8chan knew this would happen a day ahead, and he had posted all his writings etc.
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Zero reason to stop? That bastard that killed all those people in Norway has a cult following. The more we post about this piece of shit the more people he snares an audience.
The people who would do that ALREADY KNEW. People on 8chan knew this would happen a day ahead, and he had posted all his writings etc.
So what?
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Zero reason to stop? That bastard that killed all those people in Norway has a cult following. The more we post about this piece of shit the more people he snares an audience.
The people who would do that ALREADY KNEW. People on 8chan knew this would happen a day ahead, and he had posted all his writings etc.
So what?
Feelings.
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Zero reason to stop? That bastard that killed all those people in Norway has a cult following. The more we post about this piece of shit the more people he snares an audience.
The people who would do that ALREADY KNEW. People on 8chan knew this would happen a day ahead, and he had posted all his writings etc.
So what?
So, it wouldn't change anything for the people who are responsible for these attacks whether or not the media mentioned anything about him.
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Lol did you see the video where Fraser Anning got egged?
I'm wondering if the kid posted the video he took anywhere... Also the people chokeholding him don't seem very normal at all.
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Zero reason to stop? That bastard that killed all those people in Norway has a cult following. The more we post about this piece of shit the more people he snares an audience.
The people who would do that ALREADY KNEW. People on 8chan knew this would happen a day ahead, and he had posted all his writings etc.
So what?
So, it wouldn't change anything for the people who are responsible for these attacks whether or not the media mentioned anything about him.
Some of these people enjoy the stardom shit like this gives them. The whole world media is talking about this man now. His whole life, corrupt values, and hope for the future is put on display.
I'm not saying what he did should be ignored. But his shit 'manifesto', his past life, the continued use of his name, where he went on frigging holidays etc should be cut. And damn if they make another movie trying to cash in on this.
So a few dickless boy wonders on the 8chan will keep their regressive views. So what? But let's not assistvin making this guy inspirational. Kick this arsehole to the curb.
Better men than you or I have also expressed reservations about how the media treat mass murderers the way we do. Personally I agree with them.
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Lol did you see the video where Fraser Anning got egged?
I'm wondering if the kid posted the video he took anywhere... Also the people chokeholding him don't seem very normal at all.
That kid has more friends than that senator. That senator will be tossed aside in a few months. He only got in riding on someone else's party platform and then broke away from them when he had the chance. No one likes him and no one will preference him.
Good riddance I say. I'm pretty sure there are millions more who will be cheering when he gets booted out of the house for good too
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Some of these people enjoy the stardom shit like this gives them. The whole world media is talking about this man now. His whole life, corrupt values, and hope for the future is put on display.
His hope for the future is already on display, that's the issue.
I'm not saying what he did should be ignored. But his shit 'manifesto', his past life, the continued use of his name, where he went on frigging holidays etc should be cut.
But it's exactly that which reveals the reason behind the attacks.
So a few dickless boy wonders on the 8chan will keep their regressive views. So what?
So what? They're gonna do another attack in a few months, that's what. This is a movement, and attacks like these are the logical conclusion of that movement.
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Some of these people enjoy the stardom shit like this gives them. The whole world media is talking about this man now. His whole life, corrupt values, and hope for the future is put on display.
His hope for the future is already on display, that's the issue.
I'm not saying what he did should be ignored. But his shit 'manifesto', his past life, the continued use of his name, where he went on frigging holidays etc should be cut.
But it's exactly that which reveals the reason behind the attacks.
So a few dickless boy wonders on the 8chan will keep their regressive views. So what?
So what? They're gonna do another attack in a few months, that's what. This is a movement, and attacks like these are the logical conclusion of that movement.
The media (and you) is having a live affair with this terrorist. In doing so you forget about the victims of the atrocity as you dig about for the life of this pathetic piece of shit.
I'm sure the 8chan blow hards are looking and thinking they can be the next Brenton Tarrant. That guy is paraded.
Seriously why do you insist we use his name? Just call him what he is. A hateful terrorist mass murderer. No caption should say his name. Replace 'Brenton Tarrant' with 'Terrorist'
What's the issue you have about that? Why are you focusing on the attacker and not the victims? You're part of the problem and you don't even realise it.
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The media (and you) is having a live affair with this terrorist. In doing so you forget about the victims of the atrocity as you dig about for the life of this pathetic piece of shit.
That makes no sense but whatever. They shouldn't focus on his life but they should focus on his ideas.
I'm sure the 8chan blow hards are looking and thinking they can be the next Brenton Tarrant.
Yes, because they were ALREADY DOING THAT.
Seriously why do you insist we use his name? Just call him what he is. A hateful terrorist mass murderer. No caption should say his name. Replace 'Brenton Tarrant' with 'Terrorist'
In his manifesto he was prepared for that, or for people forgetting his name, and he didn't care, because that wasn't what he was trying to do. They could have shown his name, they could have replaced it with whatever, I don't care either way.
What's the issue you have about that? Why are you focusing on the attacker and not the victims?
What does "focusing on the victims" change? How does one focus on the victims anyways?
You're part of the problem and you don't even realise it.
Fuck off. YOU are part of the problem, not me. The time to deplatform and hide these views is BEFORE they spread and these people start killing people. But every time you come out and defend people with these views and sometimes propagate them yourself, don't act like you didn't. And now people start dying and completely coincidentally the people who talked about these things are suddenly very concerned about giving attention to the murderer's views. Just fuck off. Just acknowledge this shit is really fucking dangerous and shut up.
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Some of these people enjoy the stardom shit like this gives them. The whole world media is talking about this man now. His whole life, corrupt values, and hope for the future is put on display.
His hope for the future is already on display, that's the issue.
I'm not saying what he did should be ignored. But his shit 'manifesto', his past life, the continued use of his name, where he went on frigging holidays etc should be cut.
But it's exactly that which reveals the reason behind the attacks.
So a few dickless boy wonders on the 8chan will keep their regressive views. So what?
So what? They're gonna do another attack in a few months, that's what. This is a movement, and attacks like these are the logical conclusion of that movement.
The media (and you) is having a live affair with this terrorist. In doing so you forget about the victims of the atrocity as you dig about for the life of this pathetic piece of shit.
I'm sure the 8chan blow hards are looking and thinking they can be the next Brenton Tarrant. That guy is paraded.
Seriously why do you insist we use his name? Just call him what he is. A hateful terrorist mass murderer. No caption should say his name. Replace 'Brenton Tarrant' with 'Terrorist'
What's the issue you have about that? Why are you focusing on the attacker and not the victims? You're part of the problem and you don't even realise it.
So who do you think is the intended audience of the live stream? It's not intended for mainstream media. I think it's simply intended to inspire copycats.
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Shifter, Rayzor and pez....come play werepenguin it will be fun, last day to sign up!
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The media (and you) is having a live affair with this terrorist. In doing so you forget about the victims of the atrocity as you dig about for the life of this pathetic piece of shit.
That makes no sense but whatever. They shouldn't focus on his life but they should focus on his ideas.
I'm sure the 8chan blow hards are looking and thinking they can be the next Brenton Tarrant.
Yes, because they were ALREADY DOING THAT.
Seriously why do you insist we use his name? Just call him what he is. A hateful terrorist mass murderer. No caption should say his name. Replace 'Brenton Tarrant' with 'Terrorist'
In his manifesto he was prepared for that, or for people forgetting his name, and he didn't care, because that wasn't what he was trying to do. They could have shown his name, they could have replaced it with whatever, I don't care either way.
What's the issue you have about that? Why are you focusing on the attacker and not the victims?
What does "focusing on the victims" change? How does one focus on the victims anyways?
You're part of the problem and you don't even realise it.
Fuck off. YOU are part of the problem, not me. The time to deplatform and hide these views is BEFORE they spread and these people start killing people. But every time you come out and defend people with these views and sometimes propagate them yourself, don't act like you didn't. And now people start dying and completely coincidentally the people who talked about these things are suddenly very concerned about giving attention to the murderer's views. Just fuck off. Just acknowledge this shit is really fucking dangerous and shut up.
You want to pretend I mirror this guys views now? Aren't you a piece of work. Go and back that up by posting a quote of mine.
For your information, THIS is the shit I think is wrong. A news article completely devoted to getting to know the attacker. From his childhood and child photos to his stupid holiday around the world. When you keep posting shit like this, people start to sympathise with him. People get curious and want to learn more. They keep referencing 8chan in every article. Maybe someone will want to check it out. THEY SHOULD STOP GIVING IT COVERAGE
I feel disgusted posting it but to show you what I think needs to stop, here it is.
https://www.news.com.au/world/pacific/christchurch-mosque-shooters-bizarre-trip-to-north-korea/news-story/e840b3a5a16b9266c9a562260c6c4b59
His manifesto is literally one big hate speech and an attempt to justify one of the worst mass murders. It is not in the public interest to be read by the public. The authorities and those who are building a case for him in court, fine. The rest of us don't need to see it in mass print.
But now his stupid manifesto is viewed by millions who would not have ever read it because they don't need to 'find' it. We are just lucky the media isn't posting the video too. You keep going on about 8chan already knowing. No shit. I am talking about impressionable minds seeing this guys bullshit who otherwise wouldn't.
We don't need to see this guys baby photos. We don't need to know about his personal life. We don't need to see an attempt for his terrorism justified in his 'manifesto' and his 'I expect to be forgotten' is just him trying to sound noble. Sad you believe his writings
How do we focus on the victims? How can you even ask?
Well there was one report that the first to die said something like 'hello brother' and tried to welcome the guy with open arms despite obviously seeing all the weapons. He may have tried to diffuse the situation with peace instead of trying to combat hate with hate. I'm more interested in reading about him or about the survivors recoveries then having his murderers baby photos and hate speech reprinted on my screen.
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Shifter, come join the game! Even pez joined!
Do I need to remove my angry shitter quote?
We all can use a break calling each other an idiot and instead call each other back stabbers for a bit!
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Shifter, come join the game! Even pez joined!
Do I need to remove my angry shitter quote?
We all can use a break calling each other an idiot and instead call each other back stabbers for a bit!
I'll be deadwood if I join. Won't make it online enough.
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You want to pretend I mirror this guys views now? Aren't you a piece of work. Go and back that up by posting a quote of mine.
Did you never act really concerned about all the immigration and multiculturalism? Did you never defend dispute when he started ranting about that crap and about the "replacement" of white people (ok I'm not sure if that was you or CFC but I'm pretty sure it was both)? Or how minorities are actually super privilleged now at the expense of white people? You don't mirror his views, but a lot of the stuff he used to justify is stuff that you too, and many other people, propagate and I'm crazy when I point out that it's dangerous.
For your information, THIS is the shit I think is wrong. A news article completely devoted to getting to know the attacker. From his childhood and child photos to his stupid holiday around the world. When you keep posting shit like this, people start to sympathise with him. People get curious and want to learn more. They keep referencing 8chan in every article. Maybe someone will want to check it out. THEY SHOULD STOP GIVING IT COVERAGE
I don't give a fuck about his childhood or his holidays. That's lame. I do give a fuck about the people knowing what the views that led to this was.
His manifesto is literally one big hate speech and an attempt to justify one of the worst mass murders. It is not in the public interest to be read by the public.
90% of it is just stuff you routinely see on the internet. A big part of it is kind of mainstream actually. This is why I'm telling you that people have to know that some of the stuff that's taken as normal is dangerous.
I am talking about impressionable minds seeing this guys bullshit who otherwise wouldn't.
Said impressionable minds are routinely exposed to this stuff. The best context to discuss them is now that people can see what it leads to.
Sad you believe his writings
I believe it's what he believed. Lots of people are trying to pretend like it's steeped in irony. It's not, there's some ironic parts but most of it is pretty damn serious (and really repetitive too). There's no reason to do it.
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I wonder why the majority that they shouldn't publicize the views of Tarantino or whatever the fuck his name is are the people with similar views? Mighty suspicious, if you ask me.
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Apparently he said "subscribe to Pewds" just before the shooting.
Felix Kjellberg has already released a statement. That dude just can't escape controversy.
Kevin Roose, a columnist for The New York Times (http://The New York Times), is spewing nonsense. 'Subscribe to PewDiePie' is a meme; it wasn't a way for the shooter "to inflame political tensions and to serve as a knowing nod to those who might be watching the gunman’s actions with approval."
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I wonder why the majority that they shouldn't publicize the views of Tarantino or whatever the fuck his name is are the people with similar views? Mighty suspicious, if you ask me.
It's because they are scared as shit that people will notice that they hold the exact same views as this piece of shit. Only difference is that this guy took those views to their logical conclusion.
The problem is, we've already noticed. We see what they are doing. And always remember that these shitstains have names and adressess.
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The problem is, we've already noticed. We see what they are doing. And always remember that these shitstains have names and adressess.
What does that mean?
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Apparently he said "subscribe to Pewds" just before the shooting.
Felix Kjellberg has already released a statement. That dude just can't escape controversy.
Kevin Roose, a columnist for The New York Times (http://The New York Times), is spewing nonsense. 'Subscribe to PewDiePie' is a meme; it wasn't a way for the shooter "to inflame political tensions and to serve as a knowing nod to those who might be watching the gunman’s actions with approval."
It sure is a meme. But also all the white supremacists LOVE Pewdiepie. He's doing nothing to push them away from his fanbase and it kinda seems like he is actively trying to attract them.
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(https://i.imgur.com/mTpyjoj.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/mTpyjoj.jpg)
LOL I keep seeing that everywhere. Ben Shapiro is awful. I'm not at all sure if this particular incident was influenced by him, but let's not forget he was the #1 Google search of the guy who shot up a mosque in Canada 2 years ago, the same guy who was admired by Tarrant and mentioned on his guns and his manifesto.
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The reaction from the professional race baiters to this has been odd.
Not sure how much these people are to blame but I would think that if someone was quoting me and killing in my name then at the very least it's time to do some soul searching.
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"Calling out the people, including me, who spread the ideas that lead to this is precisely what the killer wanted. Doing exactly nothing to prevent it from happening again is how you stick it up to him!".
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WHAT THE FUCK Sargon literally says that the stuff in the manifesto actually has basis in reality so he is going to make a video discussing these points in the end! Worst room reader in the world.
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Sargon is interesting because I don't know if he seriously believes all of these bad faith arguments or not. If he does then it's very disconcerting. It means that it's possible to trick people into ardently supporting talking points that are absurd.
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Sargon is interesting because I don't know if he seriously believes all of these bad faith arguments or not. If he does then it's very disconcerting. It means that it's possible to trick people into ardently supporting talking points that are absurd.
Richard Spencer has expressed his satisfaction with exactly that.
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Sargon is interesting because I don't know if he seriously believes all of these bad faith arguments or not. If he does then it's very disconcerting. It means that it's possible to trick people into ardently supporting talking points that are absurd.
Richard Spencer has expressed his satisfaction with exactly that.
fACts aNd LoGiC
But also he unironocally goes by the handle Sargon of Akkad... And Richard Spencer has a daughter who sends him bikini photos. Can we switch to a new reality yet?
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And Richard Spencer has a daughter who sends him bikini photos.
Can we just end this world?
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Just to put in context how shitty and tone deaf what Sargon is doing is:
(https://i.imgur.com/UrUi5xb_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
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It sure is a meme. But also all the white supremacists LOVE Pewdiepie. He's doing nothing to push them away from his fanbase and it kinda seems like he is actively trying to attract them.
Nothing I've noticed seems to support this claim.
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It sure is a meme. But also all the white supremacists LOVE Pewdiepie. He's doing nothing to push them away from his fanbase and it kinda seems like he is actively trying to attract them.
Nothing I've noticed seems to support this claim.
It started with him making holocaust jokes and coming under fire for them, all the white supremacist freaks came in his defence. Then he said nigger on stream, twice. He made a video with Ben Shapiro and he also follows a bunch of far right nut jobs and race biters on Twitter, like Stefan Molyneux, Lauren Southern and Sargon of Akkkad. If you go on 4chin or one of the other lame knockoffs you'll see a bunch of neckbeards memeing about him. They think he is hiding his power level. In fact we had our very own lame PewDiePie loving neo nazi here, on this forum saying the same shit. The comments in some of his videos are pretty atrocious as well.
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In fact we had our very own lame PewDiePie loving neo nazi here, on this forum saying the same shit. The comments in some of his videos are pretty atrocious as well.
Yep.
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The comments in some of his videos are pretty atrocious as well.
To be fair, most youtube comments are shit.
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The comments in some of his videos are pretty atrocious as well.
To be fair, most youtube comments are shit.
Those comments are a competition.
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https://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/oceania/he-will-when-i-speak-be-nameless-jacinda-ardern-refuses-to-identify-accused-mosque-gunman-20190319-p515gk.html
At least the New Zealand PM gets it and refuses to ever name the attacker again and does not believe his hate filled manifesto should ever make for public viewing.
I know I'm accused of being a far right twit on here but I have never even heard of some of the people mentioned here like Ben Shapiro or Sargon of Akkad. Never seen anything by this PewPew character either. I knew of 4chan but never logged to it and didn't know there was an 8chan until now. Truth be told I don't give a rats arse about or follow anyone on social media. Hell, I don't even use it anymore. ::)
I still believe the best thing the media can do is stop posting about this gunman. He made a 'white power' salute in court - so what does the media do? Takes a photo and posts it to millions. Stop giving him an audience. It gives him power.
I have seen titles of another dozen it seems articles about his childhood. FFS let the guy rot. The media should stop posting anything to do with his bullshit manifesto and only post the basics in relation to his trial. Everything else serves and empowers this dickhead.
This guy may try to use the court as a platform for his views. They may even forego charging him with terrorism and make it a simple murder case. This is sad.
It's such an open and shut case of terrorism. Just close the court to the public. What this guy wants to say and his defence of his actions are not on the public interest. The only thing in the public interest now is to hear that he will be locked up for life in solitary confinement without parole.
Then after that, the media should not speak his name or about his whinging (like that Norway terrorist) again.
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https://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/oceania/he-will-when-i-speak-be-nameless-jacinda-ardern-refuses-to-identify-accused-mosque-gunman-20190319-p515gk.html
At least the New Zealand PM gets it and refuses to ever name the attacker again and does not believe his hate filled manifesto should ever make for public viewing.
I know I'm accused of being a far right twit on here but I have never even heard of some of the people mentioned here like Ben Shapiro or Sargon of Akkad. Never seen anything by this PewPew character either. I knew of 4chan but never logged to it and didn't know there was an 8chan until now. Truth be told I don't give a rats arse about or follow anyone on social media. Hell, I don't even use it anymore. ::)
I still believe the best thing the media can do is stop posting about this gunman. He made a 'white power' salute in court - so what does the media do? Takes a photo and posts it to millions. Stop giving him an audience. It gives him power.
I have seen titles of another dozen it seems articles about his childhood. FFS let the guy rot. The media should stop posting anything to do with his bullshit manifesto and only post the basics in relation to his trial. Everything else serves and empowers this dickhead.
This guy may try to use the court as a platform for his views. They may even forego charging him with terrorism and make it a simple murder case. This is sad.
It's such an open and shut case of terrorism. Just close the court to the public. What this guy wants to say and his defence of his actions are not on the public interest. The only thing in the public interest now is to hear that he will be locked up for life in solitary confinement without parole.
Then after that, the media should not speak his name or about his whinging (like that Norway terrorist) again.
The problem with supressing this shit, is that you are handing the control of the narrative over to those who support and/or inspired him. He named several people in his manifesto, and it's not an accident that those very same people are now all over the internet saying "hey, let's bury this thing and never speak about it again". They are scared shitless that they will be rightfully implicated in radicalizing this guy. And they want to hide that from you.
Sweeping this filth under the rug isn't going to make it go away. It should be dragged into the sunlight to get trampled to death.
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The problem is, we've already noticed. We see what they are doing. And always remember that these shitstains have names and adressess.
What does that mean?
I'm sure you can figure it out.
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I found this an interesting glimpse of the ideology that drives the right extremist views.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/03/22/warped-history-that-fuels-right-wing-terrorism/?utm_term=.db98908ee4b8
The clash of cultures is co-incidentally the very thing that ISIS seeks to achieve.
I think it's funny that the extreme views from both ends of the spectrum coincide... A global shoot out, cultural warfare on a global scale.
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I think some online games terrorizing people. I mean, manipulation in online games based on people shooting at each other can encourage people to really kill other people. they can make them think of it as an ordinary thing. If you remember, a lot of people have committed suicide because of the blue whale game. Then it has been forbid in entire world. this is perhaps a different version of it. Think like that. if this person really has an atmosphere in his own game world, for example, if he breaks into the mosque and knows the inside of the mosque, he can really try to think about how easy it is.
Online games for provocations seem appropriate. For example, in an online game in Tehran, if the players continue to enter the church and kill the people inside, it can affect their subconscious. I think that provocative changes in games have been used by intelligence organizations for some time. and I think someone is deliberately doing this to trigger a Muslim-Christian conflict. as to its general tendency in Turkish public that it has planned by the US as a response to the UK's exit from the brexit. But I don't agree the public opinion in Turkey.
In my opinion, I think China is behind this. The conflicts between Muslims and Christians are only in the interests of China. With the fall of the boeing planes, the Muslim-Christian conflict, which could be a more serious problem for the United States, may have been planned as another version of the conflict between the global damage to the interests of the United States and the huawai problem and taxes. China has no such problem as religion.
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I think some online games terrorizing people. I mean, manipulation in online games based on people shooting at each other can encourage people to really kill other people. they can make them think of it as an ordinary thing. If you remember, a lot of people have committed suicide because of the blue whale game. Then it has been forbid in entire world. this is perhaps a different version of it. Think like that. if this person really has an atmosphere in his own game world, for example, if he breaks into the mosque and knows the inside of the mosque, he can really try to think about how easy it is.
Online games for provocations seem appropriate. For example, in an online game in Tehran, if the players continue to enter the church and kill the people inside, it can affect their subconscious. I think that provocative changes in games have been used by intelligence organizations for some time. and I think someone is deliberately doing this to trigger a Muslim-Christian conflict. as to its general tendency in Turkish public that it has planned by the US as a response to the UK's exit from the brexit. But I don't agree the public opinion in Turkey.
In my opinion, I think China is behind this. The conflicts between Muslims and Christians are only in the interests of China. With the fall of the boeing planes, the Muslim-Christian conflict, which could be a more serious problem for the United States, may have been planned as another version of the conflict between the global damage to the interests of the United States and the huawai problem and taxes. China has no such problem as religion.
Hey, you forgot to do the "I am a Turk and I write really shitty English" thing.
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We have many more racists here like falseprophet, rabinoz, NSS, scg and many others may be dangereous for muslims.