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Title: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Spanky on January 14, 2019, 09:18:12 AM
In fact, what is the reason for the government to lie to us that the Earth is round?What can they benefit from this?If there is no benefit, why would they do this?
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Ski on January 14, 2019, 09:22:51 AM
 Why do women lie about their weight?
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: JCM on January 14, 2019, 11:01:17 AM
Why do women lie about their weight?

I’d argue everyone lies about their weight.  Ask any man about his member...  Aweful lot of lying there too... Average American male pants is now 38 inches and average height has shrunk a little too.   

As for NASA lying... obviously NASA overlords have decided to rid the world of God for the past 2000 years and they figured showing how insignificant our little speck of dust is compared to the Universe would be the best way to do this.  Maybe it’s a long play... they hope people will stop paying churches and will pay NASA overlords instead, those offering bowl donations add up!
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on January 14, 2019, 11:03:00 AM
Why do women lie about their weight?

Because their appearance/figure is important to them.

I see no correlation to the original question.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Crutchwater on January 14, 2019, 11:03:43 AM
They do it for the lols
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Wolvaccine on January 14, 2019, 06:48:42 PM
In fact, what is the reason for the government to lie to us that the Earth is round?What can they benefit from this?If there is no benefit, why would they do this?

Power over the masses

Get an entire population to believe a falsehood about their own world and you have great influence over them. If you can believe some ludicrous ideology about the Earth being a globe zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h (using some made up 'Great Attractor as a reference' you will have them believe anything regardless of what their own eyes say otherwise.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on January 14, 2019, 06:53:14 PM

Get an entire population to believe a falsehood about their own world and you have great influence over them. If you can believe some ludicrous ideology about the Earth being a globe zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h (using some made up 'Great Attractor as a reference' you will have them believe anything regardless of what their own eyes say otherwise.

That's an interesting hypothesis that has no basis in fact.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Stash on January 14, 2019, 06:55:44 PM
In fact, what is the reason for the government to lie to us that the Earth is round?What can they benefit from this?If there is no benefit, why would they do this?

Power over the masses

Get an entire population to believe a falsehood about their own world and you have great influence over them. If you can believe some ludicrous ideology about the Earth being a globe zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h (using some made up 'Great Attractor as a reference' you will have them believe anything regardless of what their own eyes say otherwise.

You're presupposing a falsehood. A lot of the "falsehood" can be independently verified as a "truehood". The preponderance of evidence is overwhelmingly on the side of the "falsehood" actually being true as originally thought prior to indoctrination into said falsehood.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Wolvaccine on January 14, 2019, 06:58:13 PM

Get an entire population to believe a falsehood about their own world and you have great influence over them. If you can believe some ludicrous ideology about the Earth being a globe zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h (using some made up 'Great Attractor as a reference' you will have them believe anything regardless of what their own eyes say otherwise.

That's an interesting hypothesis that has no basis in fact.

Exactly. The Earth zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h, NO basis in fact whatsoever. Thank you for affirming. And what of us Australians? Are we hanging by our feet as we zoom around the universe? Everywhere I have been on this planet, from Canberra to Reykjavik, I have felt the exact same orientation. The ground beneath me and the sky above me.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: rabinoz on January 14, 2019, 07:31:14 PM
In fact, what is the reason for the government to lie to us that the Earth is round?What can they benefit from this?If there is no benefit, why would they do this?

Power over the masses

And what power would that be? The masses couldn't care less about the shape of the earth.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Wolvaccine on January 14, 2019, 07:34:02 PM
In fact, what is the reason for the government to lie to us that the Earth is round?What can they benefit from this?If there is no benefit, why would they do this?

Power over the masses

And what power would that be? The masses couldn't care less about the shape of the earth.

Indeed. Yet they believe.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on January 14, 2019, 07:45:51 PM

Get an entire population to believe a falsehood about their own world and you have great influence over them. If you can believe some ludicrous ideology about the Earth being a globe zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h (using some made up 'Great Attractor as a reference' you will have them believe anything regardless of what their own eyes say otherwise.

That's an interesting hypothesis that has no basis in fact.

Exactly. The Earth zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h, NO basis in fact whatsoever. Thank you for affirming.

Oooooh. I bet you think that's clever.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Wolvaccine on January 14, 2019, 07:50:41 PM

Get an entire population to believe a falsehood about their own world and you have great influence over them. If you can believe some ludicrous ideology about the Earth being a globe zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h (using some made up 'Great Attractor as a reference' you will have them believe anything regardless of what their own eyes say otherwise.

That's an interesting hypothesis that has no basis in fact.

Exactly. The Earth zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h, NO basis in fact whatsoever. Thank you for affirming.

Oooooh. I bet you think that's clever.

It is what it is.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Ski on January 14, 2019, 07:55:07 PM
In fact, what is the reason for the government to lie to us that the Earth is round?What can they benefit from this?If there is no benefit, why would they do this?

Power over the masses

And what power would that be? The masses couldn't care less about the shape of the earth.

Indeed. Yet they believe.

Just so.

“In the Middle Ages people believed that the earth was flat, for which they had at least the evidence of their senses: we believe it to be round, not because as many as one percent of us could give the physical reasons for so quaint a belief, but because modern science has convinced us that nothing that is obvious is true, and that everything that is magical, improbable, extraordinary, gigantic, microscopic, heartless, or outrageous is scientific.”

~ George Bernard Shaw


Why, indeed.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Unconvinced on January 14, 2019, 08:39:52 PM

“In the Middle Ages people believed that the earth was flat, for which they had at least the evidence of their senses: we believe it to be round, not because as many as one percent of us could give the physical reasons for so quaint a belief, but because modern science has convinced us that nothing that is obvious is true, and that everything that is magical, improbable, extraordinary, gigantic, microscopic, heartless, or outrageous is scientific.”

~ George Bernard Shaw


Why, indeed.

Probably not the best idea to get your science opinions from playwrights

Anyone can check the main evidence for the shape of the Earth.  The real question is why aren't Flat Earther's interested?
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: rabinoz on January 14, 2019, 09:14:00 PM
In fact, what is the reason for the government to lie to us that the Earth is round?What can they benefit from this?If there is no benefit, why would they do this?

Power over the masses

And what power would that be? The masses couldn't care less about the shape of the earth.
Indeed. Yet they believe.
I asked "And what power would that be?" Would you care to answer the question?
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: rabinoz on January 14, 2019, 09:21:29 PM
If you can believe some ludicrous ideology about the Earth being a globe zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h (using some made up 'Great Attractor as a reference' you will have them believe anything regardless of what their own eyes say otherwise.
How do you make the enormous leap from the topic, "Why would NASA claim Earth is round?" to "the Earth being a globe zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h".

Neither the topic nor the OP made any reference to "the Earth . . . . . . zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h".
You do like your straw-man arguments.   
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Wolvaccine on January 14, 2019, 09:26:58 PM
In fact, what is the reason for the government to lie to us that the Earth is round?What can they benefit from this?If there is no benefit, why would they do this?

Power over the masses

And what power would that be? The masses couldn't care less about the shape of the earth.
Indeed. Yet they believe.
I asked "And what power would that be?" Would you care to answer the question?

I dont know their agenda. Maybe they do it for kicks. But lets face it, if you have indoctrinated people to believe certain things about the nature of their existence, in a way you control them. You are their God whether they see it or not.

If you can believe some ludicrous ideology about the Earth being a globe zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h (using some made up 'Great Attractor as a reference' you will have them believe anything regardless of what their own eyes say otherwise.
How do you make the enormous leap from the topic, "Why would NASA claim Earth is round?" to "the Earth being a globe zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h".

Neither the topic nor the OP made any reference to "the Earth . . . . . . zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h".
You do like your straw-man arguments.   

Indeed. How does NASA make the leap from a round Earth to a spinning ball zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h. Yet that is what we are told and that is what many believe.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Ski on January 14, 2019, 09:39:07 PM
Quote from: shifter
I dont know their agenda. Maybe they do it for kicks.

The less plain the truth is, the more man needs an interpreter. All "truth" flows through the pulpit of the Orthodoxy. They fill pliable minds with the counter-intuitive to obfuscate truth and make it unreachable by the unwashed masses. 
It's the same reason the Catholic Church resisted first, the Vulgate and then, later translations.  Rationalism deposed the Church from it's throne, and then promptly wrapped itself in the former's trappings. "Modern man" is controlled by the same mechanisms all the while thinking himself above such "superstition" because his priest wears a labcoat instead of a frock.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: rabinoz on January 14, 2019, 10:08:46 PM
In fact, what is the reason for the government to lie to us that the Earth is round?What can they benefit from this?If there is no benefit, why would they do this?

Power over the masses

And what power would that be? The masses couldn't care less about the shape of the earth.
Indeed. Yet they believe.
I asked "And what power would that be?" Would you care to answer the question?

I dont know their agenda. Maybe they do it for kicks. But lets face it, if you have indoctrinated people to believe certain things about the nature of their existence, in a way you control them. You are their God whether they see it or not.
Unacceptable! In answer to, "If there is no benefit, why would they do this?" you answered, "Power over the masses."
So, I ask again, "What power to the masses?"

And exactly how does the shape of the earth have anything to do with "the nature of their existence?"

Quote from: Shifter
If you can believe some ludicrous ideology about the Earth being a globe zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h (using some made up 'Great Attractor as a reference' you will have them believe anything regardless of what their own eyes say otherwise.
How do you make the enormous leap from the topic, "Why would NASA claim Earth is round?" to "the Earth being a globe zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h".

Neither the topic nor the OP made any reference to "the Earth . . . . . . zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h".
You do like your straw-man arguments.   

Indeed. How does NASA make the leap from a round Earth to a spinning ball zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h. Yet that is what we are told and that is what many believe.
Unacceptable!  I asked YOU why you dragged "the Earth . . . . . . zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h" into the mix?
You haven't even shown that NASA makes such a leap so there's no need for me to try to guess how NASA may or may not have done something.

Now this time answer the simple questions that I asked:


Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Wolvaccine on January 14, 2019, 10:20:22 PM
Unacceptable!  I asked YOU why you dragged "the Earth . . . . . . zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h" into the mix?
You haven't even shown that NASA makes such a leap so there's no need for me to try to guess how NASA may or may not have done something.

Now this time answer the simple questions that I asked:
  • What power does lying to us "that the Earth is round" give anyone over masses"?

  • How do you make the enormous leap from the topic, "Why would NASA claim Earth is round?" to "the Earth being a globe zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h"?

  • And exactly how does the shape of the earth have anything to do with "the nature of their existence"?

I have already answered these.... It's not my fault I cant doctor an answer to your level of acceptability
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Spanky on January 14, 2019, 10:27:10 PM
Well they government has much better ways to control the masses. They can just do it like North Korea, or by mass media advertisement, in fact the rich and the government do control us by making people buy from them, when we use electricity  mobile phones etc.That is much more sensible than trying to control people by lying to them that the flat Earth is round eh
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: rabinoz on January 14, 2019, 11:22:41 PM
Now this time answer the simple questions that I asked:
  • What power does lying to us "that the Earth is round" give anyone over masses"?
  • How do you make the enormous leap from the topic, "Why would NASA claim Earth is round?" to "the Earth being a globe zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h"?
  • And exactly how does the shape of the earth have anything to do with "the nature of their existence"?

I have already answered these.... It's not my fault I cant doctor an answer to your level of acceptability
Incorrect! All you did was add more confusion but you never gave any straight answer to any of those questions.

And what power would that be? The masses couldn't care less about the shape of the earth.
And you meaningless answer:
Indeed. Yet they believe.
So I, hopefully, ask again:
I asked "And what power would that be?" Would you care to answer the question?
To which you give the inane response:
I dont know their agenda. Maybe they do it for kicks. But lets face it, if you have indoctrinated people to believe certain things about the nature of their existence, in a way you control them. You are their God whether they see it or not.

And addition asked:
How do you make the enormous leap from the topic, "Why would NASA claim Earth is round?" to "the Earth being a globe zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h".

Neither the topic nor the OP made any reference to "the Earth . . . . . . zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h".
You do like your straw-man arguments.
And back comes another carefully crafted non-answer:
Indeed. How does NASA make the leap from a round Earth to a spinning ball zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h. Yet that is what we are told and that is what many believe.

And you've injected another bit of total crap:
But lets face it, if you have indoctrinated people to believe certain things about the nature of their existence, in a way you control them.
So I ask a straight forward question:
And exactly how does the shape of the earth have anything to do with "the nature of their existence?"

I guess that we've established that you have no idea what you are talking about.
I suggest that you go back to the Flat Earth Community University - FECU! (https://www.youtube.co/watch?v=gfey42QUNf4) and do a refresher in your Flat Earth Indoctrination 101 course.

Now maybe those that have something worth saying can continue with the topic, "Why would NASA claim Earth is round?".
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Spanky on January 15, 2019, 05:53:53 AM
Obviously there is no reason,unless NASA is as bored as the flatties.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: psionicinversion on January 18, 2019, 01:55:57 AM
the way i see it is science is the evolution of knowledge, the more knowledge you have the more things you can explain through science. blaming everything on NASA and the government shows an extreme level of mistrust which is common in all conspiracy theorists despite people doing experiments 100's and 1000's of years before even america as a country existed let alone NASA.

sure at one point they thought the earth was flat then erastosthenes did an experiment that could only work on a globe and pretty much proved the earth was sphericle or an oblate spheroid as NDT puts it cus its grown abit of a spare tyre round its waist in its old age!! they also thought we were the center of the universe (mans ego) then they found out that cant be right so it must just be our solar system that revolves around us (again mans ego), then they figure out we revolve around the sun all way way before NASA existed. all that is gaining the knowledge through science to ask more questions.

its like bridges or something like that over big stretches of water that seem to sink over long distance but its just following the curve of the earth. Eric Dubay asked some engineer (was in the early part of his 200 things for flat earth) if you would compensate for the curvature of the earth by say dropping a road by how ever many feet and the engineer laughed and said no that would be stupid but Dubay though that as proof of flat earth. Nope, like over water if you build those structure at say 10 feet above sea level or the lakes level or whatever. it will naturally follow the curvature of the earth. its the same with anything on land the earths curve is so tiny that as long as what you are building is level it will always follow the curve of the earth. Its like taking a ruler and put it on the top of a basketball and keep the ruler level and move the ruler side to side rolling the basketball, the ball will move yet the ruler will always stay level. same thing

i think some people just like the idea of seeing something that isnt there. if the earth was flat why hide it as the educational system would have come into play way way before then to teach earth is flat. Technology would have grown with that in mind. Technology mainly grows with the need of something, take the GPS system which surrounds the earth, not sure if that system would work on a flat earth because you might need satellites off to the side to give you an elevation reading but im sure there are other ways to read elevation anyway.

Actually if the earth was flat and the sun was only 3000 miles up or whatever you guys believe creating a dyson sphere to harness 100% of the the suns solar energy for our planets consumption would be orders of magnitude easier to do, in fact we could probably do it right now so having the earth as flat would actually benefit the planet far more than having a solar system with a huge in space with millions of galaxies.

bit long i think but just some thoughts
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: dutchy on January 18, 2019, 10:17:52 AM
NASA is just a name..is it ?
The Apollo program is begging for answers.
Apollo God of the Sun (heliocentric model)
The rays of light that radiate from Apollo's head symbolize that he is the god of the sun. According to the Greek myth, each morning Apollo rides a golden flaming chariot across the sky bringing daylight to the world.

Why in the world would a supposed ''christian'' nation use occult symbolism in their biggest scientific achievement ?
The NASA logo of the vector image is a representation of the serpent's forked tongue despite what they claim to the general public.
What has Wernher von Braun the war criminal in charge of Apollo got to say on the matter ?
“It [the rocket] will free man from his remaining chains, the chains of gravity which still tie him to this planet. It will open to him the gates of heaven.”

So we have an ancient Greek sun god, snake tongue satanical symbolism and the head of NASA claiming that the rocket is our way out of our remaining earthly chains to finally concor the heavens.
It is all over the bible to warn for this end times wickedness and agenda of the lawless generation.

Of course this will be ridiculed, but there is more to come......

Outlets like NdGT and Elon Musk are slowly prepairing the world for this ''other'' dimensions that our limited awareness cannot really comprehend.
Our world is just an illusion, a hologram of a reality that lies underneath this 3D (+ time) shallow dimension.
In fact reality could be a hologram, a game of super itelligent aliens, or even far more outlandish than that i want to write here and now....

Bottom line,......they are slowly teaching a reality from scratch that no one has ever teached from the dawn of this world nor our own forefathers..
It will lead to a total and massive alienation of reality as we know it to be for thousends of years.
They can program whatever cosmic reality into our children's minds as long as they label it as ''based on true science''.
I follow this discussion from the beginning of the string theory and what is offered right now is wicked and satanical.

My children are addults, but i will surely urge them to be extremely critical towards this new reality when it will become part of every day education.





Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: simba on January 18, 2019, 12:11:22 PM
NASA is just a name..is it ?
The Apollo program is begging for answers.
Apollo God of the Sun (heliocentric model)
The rays of light that radiate from Apollo's head symbolize that he is the god of the sun. According to the Greek myth, each morning Apollo rides a golden flaming chariot across the sky bringing daylight to the world.

Why in the world would a supposed ''christian'' nation use occult symbolism in their biggest scientific achievement ?
The NASA logo of the vector image is a representation of the serpent's forked tongue despite what they claim to the general public.
What has Wernher von Braun the war criminal in charge of Apollo got to say on the matter ?
“It [the rocket] will free man from his remaining chains, the chains of gravity which still tie him to this planet. It will open to him the gates of heaven.”

So we have an ancient Greek sun god, snake tongue satanical symbolism and the head of NASA claiming that the rocket is our way out of our remaining earthly chains to finally concor the heavens.
It is all over the bible to warn for this end times wickedness and agenda of the lawless generation.

Of course this will be ridiculed, but there is more to come......

Outlets like NdGT and Elon Musk are slowly prepairing the world for this ''other'' dimensions that our limited awareness cannot really comprehend.
Our world is just an illusion, a hologram of a reality that lies underneath this 3D (+ time) shallow dimension.
In fact reality could be a hologram, a game of super itelligent aliens, or even far more outlandish than that i want to write here and now....

Bottom line,......they are slowly teaching a reality from scratch that no one has ever teached from the dawn of this world nor our own forefathers..
It will lead to a total and massive alienation of reality as we know it to be for thousends of years.
They can program whatever cosmic reality into our children's minds as long as they label it as ''based on true science''.
I follow this discussion from the beginning of the string theory and what is offered right now is wicked and satanical.

My children are addults, but i will surely urge them to be extremely critical towards this new reality when it will become part of every day education.

Ok, this right here is not your average, everyday dutchy, this is advanced dutchy
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: dutchy on January 18, 2019, 01:03:04 PM
Ok, this right here is not your average, everyday dutchy, this is advanced dutchy
Still not advanced dutchy though, because many things don't belong on a forum.
Reality should be a personal quest before anything else, not someting you believe because it was spoonfed to you by authorities that really don't care what you believe in the first place as long as it does not challenge their authority.

But what's there to challenge nowadays, apart from the leftovers in the far corners of an artificial scientific construct that has trapped every induvidual ?
It is fixed what's debatable and what's not as long as the structure remains it's full rigidity.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: rabinoz on January 18, 2019, 02:09:13 PM
NASA is just a name..is it ?
The Apollo program is begging for answers.
Apollo God of the Sun (heliocentric model)
The rays of light that radiate from Apollo's head symbolize that he is the god of the sun. According to the Greek myth, each morning Apollo rides a golden flaming chariot across the sky bringing daylight to the world.

Why in the world would a supposed ''christian'' nation use occult symbolism in their biggest scientific achievement ?
The NASA logo of the vector image is a representation of the serpent's forked tongue despite what they claim to the general public.
What has Wernher von Braun the war criminal in charge of Apollo got to say on the matter ?
“It [the rocket] will free man from his remaining chains, the chains of gravity which still tie him to this planet. It will open to him the gates of heaven.”

So we have an ancient Greek sun god, snake tongue satanical symbolism and the head of NASA claiming that the rocket is our way out of our remaining earthly chains to finally concor the heavens.
It is all over the bible to warn for this end times wickedness and agenda of the lawless generation.

Of course this will be ridiculed, but there is more to come......

Outlets like NdGT and Elon Musk are slowly prepairing the world for this ''other'' dimensions that our limited awareness cannot really comprehend.
Our world is just an illusion, a hologram of a reality that lies underneath this 3D (+ time) shallow dimension.
In fact reality could be a hologram, a game of super itelligent aliens, or even far more outlandish than that i want to write here and now....

Bottom line,......they are slowly teaching a reality from scratch that no one has ever teached from the dawn of this world nor our own forefathers..
It will lead to a total and massive alienation of reality as we know it to be for thousends of years.
They can program whatever cosmic reality into our children's minds as long as they label it as ''based on true science''.
I follow this discussion from the beginning of the string theory and what is offered right now is wicked and satanical.

My children are addults, but i will surely urge them to be extremely critical towards this new reality when it will become part of every day education.
Even if all your silly ideas were correct, where does it get you? Nowhere!

Anyone with half a brain and a pair of eyes can see that the earth cannot be flat with the sun, moon, planets and stars circling above.
And that is why the Globe has been the only wisely accepted shape for the earth for a couple of millenia!

I repeatedly ask you to explain the simple things that we can see with no assistance from instruments other than perhaps a compass, a stick and a tape measure.

But you never have an answer - you always go back to ridiculing NASA with stupidity like "Apollo God of the Sun" - "Apollo" is just a name!
Might I ask you what your names of the week are?
Surely you don't use names like:
      maandag after the "goddess of the moon",
      woensdag after the Norse god Wodan (Odin) or
      donderdag from the Norse god of thunder (Thor)?
You are so superstitious when you want to ridicule space missions but even all your ridicule contains no evidence against the reality of space missions.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: dutchy on January 18, 2019, 02:53:52 PM
Even if all your silly ideas were correct, where does it get you? Nowhere!
Isn't this a contradiction ?
If my silly ideas are right it gives me inside in the truth .
If my silly ideas are the figments of an idiot i continue being what i am....an idiot.
Only your ''Even if all your silly ideas were correct, where does it get you? Nowhere!'' is an erronious outcome !
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Anyone with half a brain and a pair of eyes can see that the earth cannot be flat with the sun, moon, planets and stars circling above.
Have you seen a ship going over the bulge lately by using your eyes only ?
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And that is why the Globe has been the only wisely accepted shape for the earth for a couple of millenia!
You think you choose wisely to trust men that have a record of recorded wickedness,....your choice.
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I repeatedly ask you to explain the simple things that we can see with no assistance from instruments other than perhaps a compass, a stick and a tape measure.
And i have answered you that i am a default flatearther, because i dismiss all claims derived from hypothetical musings that fall apart the moment you zoom in....
Starting with the superiour eyesight of the ancient Greeks that concluded that ships sunk below an imaginary bulge.
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But you never have an answer - you always go back to ridiculing NASA with stupidity like "Apollo God of the Sun" - "Apollo" is just a name!
Might I ask you what your names of the week are?
Surely you don't use names like:
      maandag after the "goddess of the moon",
      woensdag after the Norse god Wodan (Odin) or
      donderdag from the Norse god of thunder (Thor)?
You are so superstitious when you want to ridicule space missions but even all your ridicule contains no evidence against the reality of space missions.
Your examples go back a long time in history....
NASA could use whatever name, image,symbol they thought resembled their journey best.
They choose for the occult and idols instead of names and symbols related to christianity.....why ?
If a president does not ''believe'' in the christian god...he/she stands no chance at all in the final election.
Why look away when NASA introduces mythical and occult names and symbolism ?
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Crutchwater on January 18, 2019, 03:43:03 PM
you can literally make anything sound evil, if you really try...

KISS: Kings In Satan's Service
RUSH: Rulers Under Satan's Hand
AC/DC: Anti-Christ / Devil's Children

None of those are remotely true, but some whacko actually thought that shit up!!
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: dutchy on January 18, 2019, 04:11:09 PM
you can literally make anything sound evil, if you really try...

KISS: Kings In Satan's Service
RUSH: Rulers Under Satan's Hand
AC/DC: Anti-Christ / Devil's Children

None of those are remotely true, but some whacko actually thought that shit up!!
Agreed ! But what has any of this has to do what i have said ?
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Crutchwater on January 18, 2019, 05:21:34 PM
you can literally make anything sound evil, if you really try...

KISS: Kings In Satan's Service
RUSH: Rulers Under Satan's Hand
AC/DC: Anti-Christ / Devil's Children

None of those are remotely true, but some whacko actually thought that shit up!!
Agreed ! But what has any of this has to do what i have said ?

Did you not just attach evil connotations based solely on an organizations name and logo?

I think you did.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: rabinoz on January 18, 2019, 06:29:28 PM
Even if all your silly ideas were correct, where does it get you? Nowhere!
Isn't this a contradiction ?
If my silly ideas are right it gives me inside in the truth .
If my silly ideas are the figments of an idiot i continue being what i am....an idiot.
No, I won't claim that you are an idiot. My point was that they have nothing to do with whether of not the "Earth is round".

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Anyone with half a brain and a pair of eyes can see that the earth cannot be flat with the sun, moon, planets and stars circling above.
Have you seen a ship going over the bulge lately by using your eyes only ?
I said nothing about seeing "a ship going over the bulge".
I was talking about the impossibility of explaining what we can easily observe "with the sun, moon, planets and stars circling above".

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Quote from: rabinoz
And that is why the Globe has been the only wisely accepted shape for the earth for a couple of millenia!
That is only a minor part of it and ships disappearing etc seems to have been common knowledge centuries before.
I guess you ignored Homer in, Moon. « Reply #6 on: December 23, 2018, 12:29:49 PM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=78809.msg2127802#msg2127802).
And it is still common knowledge among sailors, especially before modern navigation equipment.
Celestial Navigation 101: Sailors Always Knew... By Vincent Pica (https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/windcheck/pages/677/attachments/original/1538727788/WindCheck_October_2018_issue_web_compressed_.pdf?1538727788) and, if I'm permitted, a "short quote" from that:
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Going back centuries, journals of seafarers are peppered with language indicating that they knew the Earth was round. “In the offing” meant, and means today, the waters you can see from where you are to the horizon.

“Ahoy, captain, vessel off the starboard bow! Hull down, sir,” might yell the lookout from the crow’s nest
aloft. This meant that all he could see from his vantage point were the sails – the ship’s hull was still below the horizon.

So, “round has been around” (pun intended) for thousands of years. How many thousands? About 22 centuries before the epic confrontation between Galileo and the medieval Church, Phoenician sailors circumnavigated Africa, sailing down the east coast and back up the western shores, through the “Pillars of Hercules” at Gibraltar and back to Egypt, to report to the Pharaoh that, indeed, the world must be round.

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You think you choose wisely to trust men that have a record of recorded wickedness,....your choice.
I choose the earth's shape that fit's what I see with my own eyes.
That happens to be the same shape as promoted by people like The Venerable Bede, Johannes Sacrobosco and Martin Luther.
You (and I) might not agree with their theology but I would not dare judge them as "that have a record of recorded wickedness".

And the "evil men" you list have nothing to gain from promoting and nothing to do with the shape of the earth.

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Quote from: rabinoz
I repeatedly ask you to explain the simple things that we can see with no assistance from instruments other than perhaps a compass, a stick and a tape measure.
And i have answered you that i am a default flatearther, because i dismiss all claims derived from hypothetical musings that fall apart the moment you zoom in....
Starting with the superiour eyesight of the ancient Greeks that concluded that ships sunk below an imaginary bulge.
I mabe no claim about "the superiour eyesight of the ancient Greeks that concluded that ships sunk below an imaginary bulge".
None of the observations that I was referring to have the slightest connection with that.
My comment "Anyone with half a brain and a pair of eyes can see that the earth cannot be flat with the sun, moon, planets and stars circling above" should have made that obvious to anyone "with half a brain".

Quote from: dutchy
Quote from: rabinoz
But you never have an answer - you always go back to ridiculing NASA with stupidity like "Apollo God of the Sun" - "Apollo" is just a name!
Might I ask you what your names of the week are?
Surely you don't use names like:
      maandag after the "goddess of the moon",
      woensdag after the Norse god Wodan (Odin) or
      donderdag from the Norse god of thunder (Thor)?
You are so superstitious when you want to ridicule space missions but even all your ridicule contains no evidence against the reality of space missions.
Your examples go back a long time in history....
NASA could use whatever name, image,symbol they thought resembled their journey best.
They choose for the occult and idols instead of names and symbols related to christianity.....why ?

If a president does not ''believe'' in the christian god...he/she stands no chance at all in the final election.
Why look away when NASA introduces mythical and occult names and symbolism ?

Because Apollo was just the name they chose and any connection with paganism, idols and the occult is in your own mind!

But, I always get back to the obvious fact that it had nothing whatever to do with the shape of the earth and you have never given evidence otherwise!

The only possible answer to the topic,
    "Why would NASA claim Earth is round?" is that NASA claim Earth is round because that has been know to be the true shape for many many centuries.

It certainly wasn't just the Greeks that "say Earth is round", they included:And I suspect we might find a few Dutch if we care to look. Try Gerardus Mercator the famous Dutch Cartographer.
etc, etc! And these are just a few of the "figureheads" that tend to get the credit.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Smoke Machine on January 20, 2019, 05:24:31 PM
The word KISS can be used as the acronym for a fantastic principle.

Keep It Simple Stupid.

So, with the opening question, "Why would NASA claim Earth is round?"

All you have to do is apply the KISS principle. That's the reason why. ....
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Spanky on January 21, 2019, 06:33:41 AM
NASA claim that the Earth is flat becsuse they are part of Freemason. Freemason is an organisation contorlled by Satan. They are anti Christs and wants to deceive the entire human population about the structure of the world. In this way wisdom that God granted to mankind would be undermined, and the world will be filled with ignorance, which God detests.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Stash on January 21, 2019, 11:15:33 PM
NASA claim that the Earth is flat becsuse they are part of Freemason. Freemason is an organisation contorlled by Satan. They are anti Christs and wants to deceive the entire human population about the structure of the world. In this way wisdom that God granted to mankind would be undermined, and the world will be filled with ignorance, which God detests.

I think God, being godlike and all, could have just smote the Freemasons/NASA a long time ago if he doth detest world ignorance so much.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Spanky on January 21, 2019, 11:54:05 PM
For the same reason, God would not have allowed any crime to occur. However crime still occurs. This is not because God is not good, or because God is not almighty, but because the sins of the world is a necessity for free will, abd forcibly removing evils, would remove free will inevitably.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Stash on January 22, 2019, 01:13:38 AM
For the same reason, God would not have allowed any crime to occur. However crime still occurs. This is not because God is not good, or because God is not almighty, but because the sins of the world is a necessity for free will, abd forcibly removing evils, would remove free will inevitably.

So god can detest the NASA and the Freemasons all he wants b/c they are the work of Satan, but damnit, he does nothing b/c of that damn 'freewill' clause? Lovely.

Back to matter at hand, NASA is not the claimant that the earth is round. If anything, NASA has used all of the tenets of heliocentric globe earth theory to accomplish the things they have claimed to have accomplished. Ex., without 'sling shot' orbiting calculations and subsequent executions based upon globe earth theory, we wouldn't have any of the NASA stuff that has occurred. Now whether you believe any of the NASA stuff has actually occurred, that's a different story. But the bottomline, NASA is and never has been sole authority, nor voice, that the earth is round. 
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: dutchy on January 22, 2019, 01:37:03 AM
For the same reason, God would not have allowed any crime to occur. However crime still occurs. This is not because God is not good, or because God is not almighty, but because the sins of the world is a necessity for free will, abd forcibly removing evils, would remove free will inevitably.

So god can detest the NASA and the Freemasons all he wants b/c they are the work of Satan, but damnit, he does nothing b/c of that damn 'freewill' clause? Lovely.

Back to matter at hand, NASA is not the claimant that the earth is round. If anything, NASA has used all of the tenets of heliocentric globe earth theory to accomplish the things they have claimed to have accomplished. Ex., without 'sling shot' orbiting calculations and subsequent executions based upon globe earth theory, we wouldn't have any of the NASA stuff that has occurred. Now whether you believe any of the NASA stuff has actually occurred, that's a different story. But the bottomline, NASA is and never has been sole authority, nor voice, that the earth is round.
Ahem...... we got off to space in the late fifties and Gagarin in the Vostok 1 was the first human being to look down towards earth from a modest height orbiting earth.
Alan Shepard reached an altitude of 187 km that same year...althaugh only for 15 minutes.

Both are at an altitude that makes it impossible to see the globe in it’s entirety !
Not by along shot.

But within 8,5 years America puts a man on the moon and safely return to earth after the Baron report showed that the whole programm was in abysmal state all together in 1966-1967.
So within 2-3 years NASA did everything right.
All sling shots and orbital mechanics derived from few explorations worked flawlessly and they gave us a nice blue marble picture.

Of course NASA is on top of the pyramid that sold us the heliocentric lies !
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Stash on January 22, 2019, 01:56:57 AM
For the same reason, God would not have allowed any crime to occur. However crime still occurs. This is not because God is not good, or because God is not almighty, but because the sins of the world is a necessity for free will, abd forcibly removing evils, would remove free will inevitably.

So god can detest the NASA and the Freemasons all he wants b/c they are the work of Satan, but damnit, he does nothing b/c of that damn 'freewill' clause? Lovely.

Back to matter at hand, NASA is not the claimant that the earth is round. If anything, NASA has used all of the tenets of heliocentric globe earth theory to accomplish the things they have claimed to have accomplished. Ex., without 'sling shot' orbiting calculations and subsequent executions based upon globe earth theory, we wouldn't have any of the NASA stuff that has occurred. Now whether you believe any of the NASA stuff has actually occurred, that's a different story. But the bottomline, NASA is and never has been sole authority, nor voice, that the earth is round.
Ahem...... we got off to space in the late fifties and Gagarin in the Vostok 1 was the first human being to look down towards earth from a modest height orbiting earth.
Alan Shepard reached an altitude of 187 km that same year...althaugh only for 15 minutes.

Both are at an altitude that makes it impossible to see the globe in it’s entirety !
Not by along shot.

But within 8,5 years America puts a man on the moon and safely return to earth after the Baron report showed that the whole programm was in abysmal state all together in 1966-1967.
So within 2-3 years NASA did everything right.
All sling shots and orbital mechanics derived from few explorations worked flawlessly and they gave us a nice blue marble picture.

Of course NASA is on top of the pyramid that sold us the heliocentric lies !

Don't know dutchy, your guess is as good as mine. All I know is that, for instance, and I know this is an abstraction, the iphone came out in 2008. Within a few years, I could summon any amount of data, games, find my personal location with in a meter of where I was standing, hail a ride, order food, what have you, after a poke of a button or two and slip the device into my back pocket. I couldn't conceive of that 5 years earlier. Things happen rapidly, technology happens rapidly, especially under duress and competition and out and out "fear of the communists". Throw enough money and resources at a problem, problem probably solved. Now that's not equating necessarily to putting a man on the moon, granted. But I don't think an argument against doing extraordinary things in extraordinary times is that sound.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Spanky on January 22, 2019, 02:33:35 AM
NASA is not the sole organisation that says Earth is round. True. However, Freemason is an organisation that controls the rest of the world. It is extremely powerful that it can control most governments. It existed 4000 years ago. Search for this organisation and know more about it. You will know it has the power to lie that Earth is round.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: dutchy on January 22, 2019, 02:40:41 AM
For the same reason, God would not have allowed any crime to occur. However crime still occurs. This is not because God is not good, or because God is not almighty, but because the sins of the world is a necessity for free will, abd forcibly removing evils, would remove free will inevitably.

So god can detest the NASA and the Freemasons all he wants b/c they are the work of Satan, but damnit, he does nothing b/c of that damn 'freewill' clause? Lovely.

Back to matter at hand, NASA is not the claimant that the earth is round. If anything, NASA has used all of the tenets of heliocentric globe earth theory to accomplish the things they have claimed to have accomplished. Ex., without 'sling shot' orbiting calculations and subsequent executions based upon globe earth theory, we wouldn't have any of the NASA stuff that has occurred. Now whether you believe any of the NASA stuff has actually occurred, that's a different story. But the bottomline, NASA is and never has been sole authority, nor voice, that the earth is round.
Ahem...... we got off to space in the late fifties and Gagarin in the Vostok 1 was the first human being to look down towards earth from a modest height orbiting earth.
Alan Shepard reached an altitude of 187 km that same year...althaugh only for 15 minutes.

Both are at an altitude that makes it impossible to see the globe in it’s entirety !
Not by along shot.

But within 8,5 years America puts a man on the moon and safely return to earth after the Baron report showed that the whole programm was in abysmal state all together in 1966-1967.
So within 2-3 years NASA did everything right.
All sling shots and orbital mechanics derived from few explorations worked flawlessly and they gave us a nice blue marble picture.

Of course NASA is on top of the pyramid that sold us the heliocentric lies !

Don't know dutchy, your guess is as good as mine. All I know is that, for instance, and I know this is an abstraction, the iphone came out in 2008. Within a few years, I could summon any amount of data, games, find my personal location with in a meter of where I was standing, hail a ride, order food, what have you, after a poke of a button or two and slip the device into my back pocket. I couldn't conceive of that 5 years earlier. Things happen rapidly, technology happens rapidly, especially under duress and competition and out and out "fear of the communists". Throw enough money and resources at a problem, problem probably solved. Now that's not equating necessarily to putting a man on the moon, granted. But I don't think an argument against doing extraordinary things in extraordinary times is that sound.
Sure some development is different compared to others.
But your example is logical because it has to do with the level of computing power allready available in 2003 that in itself took decades. Not surprising while the whole world was working on improvements that you had a vastly superiour phone in 2008 compared to 5 years earlier

But look at the hypothetical quantum computer.... it’s the holy grail the whole technological world is after.
From as far back as the eightties the field of quantum computing was initiated.
We are in it’s extreme infancy and we don’t know how long it takes before we have a real operating computer based on superposition and entanglement that we can actually use.

But only 24 people went further than low earth orbit.
Few robots went to the moon and they claim that with the data derived from a few astronauts ( prior to Apollo 11) and some unmanned probes it was enough data to go to the moon, safely land, protect the astronauts, create proper batteries, moonsuits etc.
All based on data gathered by minimal efforts on the most alien place men has ever gone to.

There is no single event in history that is remotely comparable.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: rabinoz on January 22, 2019, 03:17:03 AM

Back to matter at hand, NASA is not the claimant that the earth is round. If anything, NASA has used all of the tenets of heliocentric globe earth theory to accomplish the things they have claimed to have accomplished. Ex., without 'sling shot' orbiting calculations and subsequent executions based upon globe earth theory, we wouldn't have any of the NASA stuff that has occurred. Now whether you believe any of the NASA stuff has actually occurred, that's a different story. But the bottomline, NASA is and never has been sole authority, nor voice, that the earth is round.
Ahem...... we got off to space in the late fifties and Gagarin in the Vostok 1 was the first human being to look down towards earth from a modest height orbiting earth.
Alan Shepard reached an altitude of 187 km that same year...althaugh only for 15 minutes.

Both are at an altitude that makes it impossible to see the globe in it’s entirety !
Not by along shot.
So what? An altitude of 187 km is certainly enough to see that the earth cannot be flat!
But why do you only mention crewed missions? There were plenty of uncrewed missions that took photos of the earth.

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But within 8,5 years America puts a man on the moon and safely return to earth after the Baron report showed that the whole programm was in abysmal state all together in 1966-1967.
And why do you think that the "Baron report showed that the whole programm was in abysmal state"?
The Baron report was into the safety practices of North American Aviation and not about  NASA or "the whole program".
And so it did not "show that the whole programm was in abysmal state all together in 1966-1967".
Have you read this bit in the preface to the released Baron Report?
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When his indictments were finally aired before Teague's subcommittee, during a meeting at the Cape on 21 April, Baron's credibility was impaired by one of his alleged informants, a fellow North American employee named Mervin Holmburg. Holmburg denied knowing anything about the cause of the accident, although Baron had told the committee that Holmburg "knew exactly what caused the fire." Holmburg testified that Baron "gets all his information from anonymous phone calls, people calling him and people dropping him a word here and there. That is what he tells me."
From Baron Report (1965-1966), AN APOLLO REPORTBYTHOMAS RONALD BARON, September 1965-November 1966 (https://history.nasa.gov/Apollo204/barron.html)
Of course the fire in what is now called Apollo 1 was a tremendous set-back because North American Aviation were building crucial components.

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So within 2-3 years NASA did everything right.
Have you ever bothered to read any of the tremendous amount of research, testing and development before Apollo? I guess not.
Have you ever bothered to read what the earlier missions did as part of NASA's testing of various systems? I guess not.
Apollo 5 (AS-204) was the first unmanned test flight of LM in Earth orbit.
Apollo 6 (AS-502) which carried a CSM and a LM Test Article as ballast but failed in its objective.
Apollo 7 was an 11-day Earth-orbital flight which tested the CSM systems.
Apollo 8 was the first to orbit the Moon but with a Lunar Module Test Article in place of the LM.
Apollo 9 was the first flight of the command and service module with the lunar module and
Apollo 10 was the was a full "dress rehearsal" for the first Moon landing, testing all components in lunar orbit just short of actually landing.

So, dutchy, NASA did not just send Apollo 11 to the moon and have it all work perfectly "first time".
And if you bothered to read the mission reports after all of these you might have learnt that many things did go wrong and we're overcome because the missions were crewed.

Quote from: dutchy
All sling shots and orbital mechanics derived from few explorations worked flawlessly and they gave us a nice blue marble picture.
And why shouldn't they work flawlessly when "sling shots and orbital mechanics" were understood and utilised on numerous uncrewed lunar missions before Apollo?

That is the difference between the achievements of people that understand the theories involved and ignorant people that sit on the sidelines and ridicule.

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Of course NASA is on top of the pyramid that sold us the heliocentric lies !
That is another example of your totally ignorance.
The heliocentric system was well accepted and was the "working model" for at least three centuries before NASA turned up.

But you simply cannot escape from your NASAphobia long enough to realise that NASA changed nothing and were not even the first in space or the first to reach the moon.
Luna 2 was the first spacecraft to reach the Moon's surface (1959).
Luna 9 was the first spacecraft to achieve a controlled soft landing (1966) and
Luna 10 became the first mission to enter lunar orbit (1966).
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: dutchy on January 22, 2019, 04:41:11 AM
Poor , poor rabinoz so far out of touch with the real world because of his ongoing NASA drugs.

A formula 1 car needs to be tested on track countless of times....even when it is about a very minor change in hardware of any kind.
Countless of windtunnel tests with mixed results when put to the test in real life on a real track....
And the engine itself is running most of the year connected to a simulation programm to find ways to improve the capabilities of the engine.
And we are talkng about a very small closed environment that has been around for a while.

But your few and very rare tests actually performed on the moon gave the scientists in the sixties enough data to perform all manouvres like 'rendezvous' , landing, ascending from the moon and re- entry...
The amount of REAL tests with REAL humans practicing REAL events on the MOON equalls almost zero prior to Apollo 11.

In F1 you see cars go outside and immidiatly return to the garage during practice because despite meticulously precision, in the real world some things simply have to be understood by going out 'on track' and 'surprise' results are often the case.

But Apollo 11 wasn't able to go back to the garage..... so somehow without practicing a manned moonlanding on the real moon they did everything right on the fly...
Superb landing
Superb scenery and footage made by the first amature on the moon
Superb condition and sustainability of all involved equipment and materials
Superb communication with earth
Superb propellant tested for the first time on the moon for take off
Superb rendezvous in space
Superb re-entry
Superb capsule ocean 'pick up'

All based on a handfull dodgy probe missions and a handfull of astronauts that went further than LEO before Apollo 11.

I think it's wonderfull how you somehow seem to exagerate the amount of testing prior to Apollo 11 into total fantasy territory.
There was basically no testing on the scene at all if you compare it to other somewhat comparable fields and what they have to do to fine tune their equipment OUT ON TRACK.


It should take at least half a century and hundreds of probes and multiple failures to pull something off what NASA did in less than a decade ( man in orbit- man on the moon )

So please spare me the very limited list with extremely limited test data about the real moon that is never sufficiant enough to fly to the moon and somewhat knowing what you are doing in real time with men carrying out many tasks no one has ever done before.
'Go guys .. good luck , America is counting on you in front of national TV ...please everything is there on the moon to find out for yourself... and if something is not working try to use some ducttape or simply ignore dangerous areas in space.... maybe 'it' doesn't  know you are trying to cross the forbidden zone and lets you pass " (Alan Bean and the VAB's)



Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: rabinoz on January 22, 2019, 05:12:15 AM
Poor , poor rabinoz so far out of touch with the real world because of his ongoing NASA drugs.
Poor, poor Dutchy so far out of touch with the real world because he simply can't comprehend how these things are done.
And so all the poor fellow can do is ridicule.

Quote from: dutchy
A formula 1 car needs to be tested on track countless of times....even when it is about a very minor change in hardware of any kind.
Countless of windtunnel tests with mixed results when put to the test in real life on a real track....
And the engine itself is running most of the year connected to a simulation programm to find ways to improve the capabilities of the engine.
They did the nearest equivalent to those things!

Quote from: dutchy
But your few and very rare tests actually performed on the moon gave the scientists in the sixties enough data to perform all manouvres like 'rendezvous' , landing, ascending from the moon and re-entry...
The amount of REAL test with REAL humans practicing REAL events equalls almost zero prior to Apollo 11.
How could the test landing on the moon till the landed on the moon the first time? Are you a total idiot.
But Apollo 10 did take a LM to within 50,000 ft of the surface.

And they did "manoeuvres like rendezvous", "ascending from near the moon and re-entry".
Quite a number of earlier missions did re-enter namely Apollo 7, Apollo 8, Apollo 9 and Apollo 10.
Besides that the pre-Apollo missions all re-enter the atmosphere so that was not any new experience.

Quote from: dutchy
It should take at least half a century and hundreds of probes and multiple failures to pull something off what NASA did in less than a decade ( man in orbit- man on the moon )
Why? There were numerous unmanned probes beforehand but what would you know about such things anyway?

Quote from: dutchy
So please spare me the very limited list with extremely limited test data about the real moon that is never sufficiant enough to fly to the moon and somewhat knowing what you are doing in real time.

No, I won't "spare you the very limited list" because you have no idea what you are talking about. Your stupid ideas about "at least half a century and hundreds of probes and multiple failures" just proves how out-of-touch you are with reality.

Look YOU have no practical experience of anything approaching this sort of thing.
They were not trying to achieve peak performance like a Formula 1 racing car. They were aiming for a safe system that works and NASA succeeded at that.

Bye bye I have more important things to do, like sleep.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Unconvinced on January 22, 2019, 06:42:08 AM
The amount of REAL tests with REAL humans practicing REAL events on the MOON equalls almost zero prior to Apollo 11.

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Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Crutchwater on January 22, 2019, 07:02:10 AM
The amount of REAL tests with REAL humans practicing REAL events on the MOON equalls almost zero prior to Apollo 11.

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Hey dutchy, would you be OK with me printing and selling T Shirts with this on it?

Don't we have men on Mars right now, practicing for the first manned mission to the red planet?
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: dutchy on January 22, 2019, 07:32:41 AM
The amount of REAL tests with REAL humans practicing REAL events on the MOON equalls almost zero prior to Apollo 11.

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Only if you promiss ( when having success with MY quote) that you throw a handfull of coins in 'me mum's basement' too ( iow i want a small chunk of the profits)
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: rabinoz on January 22, 2019, 06:30:40 PM
The amount of REAL tests with REAL humans practicing REAL events on the MOON equalls almost zero prior to Apollo 11.
Don't you yet see the total stupidity of what you just posted?

Since Apollo 11 was the first human landing on the moon how could there ever be ANY "humans practicing REAL events on the MOON . . . .  prior to Apollo 11".

There had to be a first time and Apollo 11 was it!

Dutchy, I think you are really scratching the bottom of the barrel for inane excuses now.

Quote from: dutchy
maybe 'it' doesn't  know you are trying to cross the forbidden zone and lets you pass " (Alan Bean and the VAB's)
Look give up on your silly VAB excuses! Apollo was designed to handle them and it did with measured radiation doses below that even expected.
Of course you think that you're smarter and know more about the Van Allen Belts the Dr James Van Allen himself - but you don't so shut up about it!
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Wolvaccine on January 22, 2019, 06:38:18 PM
The amount of REAL tests with REAL humans practicing REAL events on the MOON equalls almost zero prior to Apollo 11.
Don't you yet see the total stupidity of what you just posted?

Since Apollo 11 was the first human landing on the moon how could there ever be ANY "humans practicing REAL events on the MOON . . . .  prior to Apollo 11".

There had to be a first time and Apollo 11 was it!

Dutchy, I think you are really scratching the bottom of the barrel for inane excuses now.

Quote from: dutchy
maybe 'it' doesn't  know you are trying to cross the forbidden zone and lets you pass " (Alan Bean and the VAB's)
Look give up on your silly VAB excuses! Apollo was designed to handle them and it did with measured radiation doses below that even expected.
Of course you think that you're smarter and know more about the Van Allen Belts the Dr James Van Allen himself - but you don't so shut up about it!

Because it's staged duh! When you go to a theater, is the performance the first time any of the actors have played the show? It might be the first time they have played that show in front of an audience, but it would have taken them months to prepare and rehearse - just like the moon.  8)
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Stash on January 22, 2019, 06:57:12 PM
The amount of REAL tests with REAL humans practicing REAL events on the MOON equalls almost zero prior to Apollo 11.
Don't you yet see the total stupidity of what you just posted?

Since Apollo 11 was the first human landing on the moon how could there ever be ANY "humans practicing REAL events on the MOON . . . .  prior to Apollo 11".

There had to be a first time and Apollo 11 was it!

Dutchy, I think you are really scratching the bottom of the barrel for inane excuses now.

Quote from: dutchy
maybe 'it' doesn't  know you are trying to cross the forbidden zone and lets you pass " (Alan Bean and the VAB's)
Look give up on your silly VAB excuses! Apollo was designed to handle them and it did with measured radiation doses below that even expected.
Of course you think that you're smarter and know more about the Van Allen Belts the Dr James Van Allen himself - but you don't so shut up about it!

Because it's staged duh! When you go to a theater, is the performance the first time any of the actors have played the show? It might be the first time they have played that show in front of an audience, but it would have taken them months to prepare and rehearse - just like the moon.  8)

Depends, maybe the moon is more like improv theater.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: rabinoz on January 22, 2019, 09:20:18 PM
It might be the first time they have played that show in front of an audience, but it would have taken them months to prepare and rehearse - just like the moon.  8)
And they did practice for years, right back to the Gemini missions.

And there were quite a number of earlier Apollo missions with Apollo 10 going through all the steps except for the final landing.

But they could not practice on the moon until they were on the moon ::).

And that first landing was Apollo 11.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Wolvaccine on January 22, 2019, 09:34:50 PM
It might be the first time they have played that show in front of an audience, but it would have taken them months to prepare and rehearse - just like the moon.  8)
And they did practice for years, right back to the Gemini missions.

And there were quite a number of earlier Apollo missions with Apollo 10 going through all the steps except for the final landing.

But they could not practice on the moon until they were on the moon ::).

And that first landing was Apollo 11.

Did you watch the movie Interstellar rab? They actually reveal the truth in there. Here is part of the story



    Teacher: It's an old federal textbook. We've replaced them with the corrected versions.

    Cooper: Corrected?

    Teacher: Explaining how the Apollo missions were faked to bankrupt the Soviet Union.

    Cooper: You don't believe we went to the Moon?

    Teacher: I believe it was a brilliant piece of propaganda that the Soviets bankrupted themselves pouring resources into rockets and other useless machines.
 
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: wise on January 22, 2019, 09:40:27 PM
It is really hard to believe Soviets or today Russians gone to space somewheres. If you open any Russian ordinary city in google map or yandex, so you'll feel yourself in the date of 1960's or 70's after see a few cars. And some cities in Russia still seems are very primative.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: rabinoz on January 22, 2019, 10:25:37 PM
Did you watch the movie Interstellar rab? They actually reveal the truth in there. Here is part of the story

    Teacher: It's an old federal textbook. We've replaced them with the corrected versions.
    Cooper: Corrected?

    Teacher: Explaining how the Apollo missions were faked to bankrupt the Soviet Union.
    Cooper: You don't believe we went to the Moon?

    Teacher: I believe it was a brilliant piece of propaganda that the Soviets bankrupted themselves pouring resources into rockets and other useless machines.
So you get your truth from fictional films, dutchy gets his from flatardian and lunar hoaxer videos and many flat-earthers get theirs from a quack cure salesman,  figures.

But maybe it was such a brilliant piece of US technology that the Soviets bankrupted themselves by pouring resources into rockets and other space technology.
And still failed.
The Soviets had designed and built their N1 rocket, comparable to the Saturn V, but on 4 launches it exploded 4 times - not a promising start.
And they had their equivalent of the LM but with only one cosmonaut to make a very lonely moon landing.

The Soviet would have relished the political coupe of the century if they could prove it was a hoax but with their own failures and the US successes they just gave up.

But whatever the Soviets were virtually bankrupted and limited crewed missions to LEO space stations Salyut 1 though Mir and finally the ISS.

The USSR could track the Apollo craft and monitor the conversations as could quite a number of amateur groups but all those simply verified those  missions.

And Earth sourced transmissions wouldn't fool anybody because highly directional antennae were used.
Some professional centres used radio telescope dishes and at least one HAM radio operator made this special purpose antenna:
Quote from: Chris Graney
Eavesdropping on Apollo 11
The nearly forgotten story of how a radio amateur successfully detected transmissions from the first men to land on the Moon.


In July of 1969 a ham radio operator and amateur radio-astronomer by the name of Larry Baysinger, W4EJA, accomplished an amazing feat. He independently detected radio transmissions from the Apollo 11 astronauts on the lunar surface. Fortunately, his accomplishments were recorded by Glenn Rutherford, a young reporter for the Louisville (Kentucky) Courier-Journal. “Lunar Eavesdropping: Louisvillians hear moon walk talk on homemade equipment,” sporting Rutherford’s byline, appeared in the Wednesday, July 23, 1969 issue of that paper — front page of section B, the local news section (see Figure 1).
     
(http://www.arrl.org/images/view/AWE/Graney/Figure2b.jpg)
Figure 1
Larry at the receiver

Rutherford opened the Courier story with “Thanks to some homemade electronic equipment, including a rebuilt 20 year old radio receiver from an Army tank (see Figure 2) and an antenna made of spare pieces of aluminum, nylon cord and chicken wire (see Figure 3 and 4), a small band of Louisvillians was able to ‘eavesdrop’ Sunday (July 20) night on the American astronauts’ conversation directly from the moon.”
(http://www.arrl.org/images/view/AWE/Graney/LB001.jpg)
Figure 2, The Antenna
     (http://www.arrl.org/images/view/AWE/Graney/LB002_SSA1.jpg)
Figure 3, Antenna Design

The story discussed how Baysinger recorded 35 minutes of conversation from VHF signals transmitted between astronauts Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins (he did not attempt to pick up the encoded S-band signals from the main Moon-Earth communication link).1 These 35 minutes included the time during which President Richard Nixon transmitted a message of congratulations to the astronauts.

Rutherford’s story briefly mentioned how Baysinger had been previously successful in constructing a device to detect radio signals from Jupiter and in tracking and reproducing pictures transmitted from Earth-orbiting satellites. It briefly described the antenna used for the lunar eavesdropping project — a fully steerable 8 × 12 foot “corner horn” — and it briefly discussed the amazing sensitivity of the receiver, which Baysinger specially modified for the lunar eavesdropping project. Rutherford finished the story with “Needless to say, the receiver worked to perfection Sunday night.”
. . . . .
Lunar Eavesdropping Link
More information on Larry’s lunar eavesdropping, including some audio clips, can be found on Christopher Graney’s Otter Creek-South Harrison Observatory Web page, Lunar Eavesdropping In Louisville, Kentucky (http://observatory.jctcfaculty.org/).

Read a lot more in: ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio, (http://www.arrl.org/eavesdropping-on-apollo-11)

Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Stash on January 22, 2019, 10:47:30 PM
It might be the first time they have played that show in front of an audience, but it would have taken them months to prepare and rehearse - just like the moon.  8)
And they did practice for years, right back to the Gemini missions.

And there were quite a number of earlier Apollo missions with Apollo 10 going through all the steps except for the final landing.

But they could not practice on the moon until they were on the moon ::).

And that first landing was Apollo 11.

Did you watch the movie Interstellar rab? They actually reveal the truth in there. Here is part of the story



    Teacher: It's an old federal textbook. We've replaced them with the corrected versions.

    Cooper: Corrected?

    Teacher: Explaining how the Apollo missions were faked to bankrupt the Soviet Union.

    Cooper: You don't believe we went to the Moon?

    Teacher: I believe it was a brilliant piece of propaganda that the Soviets bankrupted themselves pouring resources into rockets and other useless machines.

Great movie. However, competing with Apollo (NASA) was pretty insignificant in the fall of the USSR. More out and out defense spending, Afghan war, unsustainable and weakened infrastructure, societal disillusion, separatist minded baltic states, the list goes on. As they say, it's complicated.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Unconvinced on January 22, 2019, 11:02:52 PM

Did you watch the movie Interstellar rab? They actually reveal the truth in there. Here is part of the story



    Teacher: It's an old federal textbook. We've replaced them with the corrected versions.

    Cooper: Corrected?

    Teacher: Explaining how the Apollo missions were faked to bankrupt the Soviet Union.

    Cooper: You don't believe we went to the Moon?

    Teacher: I believe it was a brilliant piece of propaganda that the Soviets bankrupted themselves pouring resources into rockets and other useless machines.

The film where the protagonist was a former NASA pilot who later goes into space?

I'm fairly sure the audience was meant to side with the protagonist in thinking the teacher was being ridiculous.

On a side note, I enjoyed it, but was disappointed in the massive inconsistencies in Interstellar, especially as it was touted as being more sciency than most sci fi.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Lonegranger on January 23, 2019, 01:06:37 AM
It is really hard to believe Soviets or today Russians gone to space somewheres. If you open any Russian ordinary city in google map or yandex, so you'll feel yourself in the date of 1960's or 70's after see a few cars. And some cities in Russia still seems are very primative.
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It is really hard to believe Soviets or today Russians gone to space somewheres. If you open any Russian ordinary city in google map or yandex, so you'll feel yourself in the date of 1960's or 70's after see a few cars. And some cities in Russia still seems are very primative.

Have you ever been to Turkey? Some parts are so primitive, just like they were in the Middle Ages.
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: dutchy on January 23, 2019, 07:49:23 AM
It might be the first time they have played that show in front of an audience, but it would have taken them months to prepare and rehearse - just like the moon.  8)
And they did practice for years, right back to the Gemini missions.

And there were quite a number of earlier Apollo missions with Apollo 10 going through all the steps except for the final landing.

But they could not practice on the moon until they were on the moon ::).

And that first landing was Apollo 11.
Okay i understand how happy you are when you finally find something which i could have said a bit different.

What i meant is that Neil Armstrong himself said in an interview that he believed he had a 50-50 chance of actually touching the moon. (Abort the landing at any given stage)
Armstrong continues claiming THERE ARE TO MANY UNKNOWNS when trying to land on the moon for the first time.

So your entire rebutal about ‘going through all the steps’ goes down the counterclock drain (Australia  ::)
A bit of research reveals that even months before the Saturn 5 was launched they were in a much worse scenario to get the landing simulations right.

So without an impeccable track record of landing simulations on earth ( far from it) , they fly to the moon and the astronaut in command thinks he has a 50-50 chance of actually landing on the moon ?

How about that !  ;D
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Crutchwater on January 23, 2019, 08:08:43 AM
As a former test pilot, 50/50 was probably good enough in HIS mind!
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: dutchy on January 23, 2019, 08:59:01 AM
As a former test pilot, 50/50 was probably good enough in HIS mind!
I don't believe that for a second, but i cannot read into the mind of Neil Armstrong the former test pilot.

What i did show is how bad rabinoz' arguments are about meticulously tested equipment and manouvres before the actual take off.




Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Crutchwater on January 23, 2019, 09:04:24 AM
Sorry, but I don't see where you showed that at all.

A little research will show you the incredible level of testing and simulation they performed. Short of actually practiceing a manned landing on the moon, obviously! 🤣🤣
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: dutchy on January 23, 2019, 09:15:27 AM
Sorry, but I don't see where you showed that at all.

A little research will show you the incredible level of testing and simulation they performed. Short of actually practiceing a manned landing on the moon, obviously! 🤣🤣
So why thinks Neil Armstrong he has a 50-50 chance of actually touching the moon surface ?

1 They simply couldn't replicate the moon circomstances correctly on earth during testing..to many unknowns (contrary to what rabinoz claims)
2 They failed and succeded 50-50 during most simulation programs on earth....and Neil simply believed the 50-50 results during simulation would be representative for the moon as well.
3 Neil is talking out of his ass, deliberately exagerating to increase his own bravery when mentioning a 50-50 chance, because everything they could possible test was covered for 99% in all those years prior to Apollo 11.
4 ''here to laugh at you'' is playing ''da stupid''  ::)
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Crutchwater on January 23, 2019, 09:17:54 AM
Well, he made it, after a small bit of drama concerning fuel, to the surface of the moon.

So 5: DutChy Is da stupid!!
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: dutchy on January 23, 2019, 09:23:21 AM
Well, he made it, after a small bit of drama concerning fuel, to the surface of the moon.

So 5: DutChy Is da stupid!!
Please elaborate about why Neil Armstrong says he believed he had a 50-50 chance of touching the moon while everything they needed to know about a safe moon landing was tested and understood in the years prior to Apollo according to rabinoz and appearently yourselves too?

Is this some sort of logic derived from a different dimension that i fail to understand ?
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: Crutchwater on January 23, 2019, 09:27:00 AM
Who said "everything" was tested?

They tested all that they possibly could.

I will not waste my time with you, dUtcHy, do you blame me?

I will, however, laugh at you! 🤣
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: dutchy on January 23, 2019, 09:35:11 AM
Who said "everything" was tested?

They tested all that they possibly could.

I will not waste my time with you, dUtcHy, do you blame me?

I will, however, laugh at you! 🤣
Great that means you have a different opinion than rabinoz who claims ''they tested everything they HAD to know for a successfull moonlanding''
And i imagine no one thinks a 50-50 chance of proper landing is all you need to know.

Now i laugh at you for leaving such a huge gap for me to poke holes in.,.....

Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: rze on January 25, 2019, 10:08:42 AM

Get an entire population to believe a falsehood about their own world and you have great influence over them. If you can believe some ludicrous ideology about the Earth being a globe zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h (using some made up 'Great Attractor as a reference' you will have them believe anything regardless of what their own eyes say otherwise.

That's an interesting hypothesis that has no basis in fact.

Exactly. The Earth zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h, NO basis in fact whatsoever. Thank you for affirming. And what of us Australians? Are we hanging by our feet as we zoom around the universe? Everywhere I have been on this planet, from Canberra to Reykjavik, I have felt the exact same orientation. The ground beneath me and the sky above me.

No ,you are not hanging by your feet ,because there is no side force that can pull you from Earth.Are you serious with this questions ? Learn first ,how physics work and then try to act smart with those silly questions.It's obvious that there aren't any educated people like scientists ,pilots,engineers and etc among you..but come on ! You have a couple of years left to prove your point ,because technology is advancing ,and soon there will be space tours for civilians.So you must provide creditable evidence for your "theory" ,but so far ,you are getting nowhere !
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: rabinoz on January 25, 2019, 03:02:48 PM
Well, he made it, after a small bit of drama concerning fuel, to the surface of the moon.

So 5: DutChy Is da stupid!!
Please elaborate about why Neil Armstrong says he believed he had a 50-50 chance of touching the moon while everything they needed to know about a safe moon landing was tested and understood in the years prior to Apollo according to rabinoz and appearently yourselves too?

Is this some sort of logic derived from a different dimension that i fail to understand ?
"Neil Armstrong says he believed he had a 50-50 chance of touching the moon" but he did not say that he had a 50-50 chance of returning alive.

Apollo 13 failed to touch the moon but the crew returned safely.

But I did not say that "everything they needed to know about a safe moon landing was tested and understood in the years prior to Apollo"!

If you disagree please show exactly where I made that claim?

What has been said is that by the time the Apollo 10 mission returned on 26 May 1969 everything that could be done to prepare for the final step of landing on the moon had been done. Obviously, the actual landing could not be practised until the final landing and that was the Apollo 11 mission.

Many say that they had not practised flying the LM until Apollo 11 but that is quite untrue. Both Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin practised for many hours on the Lunar Landing Training Vehicle:

Lunar Landing Training Vehicle (LLTV): "300 Feet To The Moon" ~ 1971 NASA; Lunar Module Trainer
In addition, Apollo 9 gave practice in handling the LM under weightless conditions in LEO and during the Apollo 10 mission the LM was taken to within 50,000 ft (about 15 km) of the moon's surface.

So, it is not "some sort of logic derived from a different dimension that i fail to understand" but from facts that you refuse to acknowledge!
Title: Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
Post by: rabinoz on January 26, 2019, 02:57:04 AM
Btw , why did you sneek out of the topic where i presented that Neil Armstrong said he had a 50-50 chance of actually landing the lander on the moon ?( very much  contradictory to your ‘they were on top of every possible circomstances because of superb testing prior to Apollo 11)

What did I sneak out if? Do you mean this silly post?
I will not waste my time with you, dUtcHy, do you blame me?
I will, however, laugh at you! 🤣
Great that means you have a different opinion than rabinoz who claims ''they tested everything they HAD to know for a successfull moonlanding''
And i imagine no one thinks a 50-50 chance of proper landing is all you need to know.

Now i laugh at you for leaving such a huge gap for me to poke holes in.,.....
Laugh away if that's what makes you happy, but you've nothing to laugh at!

I replied to that and I see nothing inconsistent in my reply and there is no huge gap for you to poke holes in!
There is nothing even inconsistent between "'they tested everything they HAD to know for a successfull moonlanding'' And "a 50-50 chance of" a successful landing.
There was always a risk of unforeseen events, as in Apollo 13.
On most mission many little things did go wrong but with crew present "work-arounds" were found.

But please show where I said these exact words ''they tested everything they HAD to know for a successfull moonlanding''.
You put that in quotes thus claiming that those were the exact words that I said!
Now either you show where I said exactly that or admit to you are guilty of a fraudulent claim.

I expanded on that in my reply that you shied away from answering.
Quote from: dutchy
Go back and take your losses for once. << Idiotic garbage ignored! >>
What losses? I see no losses.

By the way in case you hadn't heard there were six successful Apollo landings as well as three others that orbited the moon, get used to the facts!
Here's a little of the third party evidence:
         Third-party evidence for Apollo Moon landings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings)
         How Do We Know The Moon Landing Really Happened? (https://spacecentre.co.uk/blog-post/know-moon-landing-really-happened/)
          How to See All Six Apollo Moon Landing Sites (https://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/how-to-see-all-six-apollo-moon-landing-sites/)
         11 Proofs That The Apollo Moon Landings Were NOT Fake, Humans have been to the Moon. (https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/11-proofs-that-the-apollo-moon-landings-were-not-fake_uk_5971d821e4b00e4363decb38?guccounter=1&guce_referrer_us=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS5hdS8&guce_referrer_cs=gWa14-of4zE8YBc4NjJVEA)

But just what do you gain if you prove the that they were not real?
Most of the evidence from Bill Kaysing (the proven liar) and Bart Sibrel (the proven deceiver) comes from other space missions so if you claim that all space missions are faked you are a total hypocrite.

Bye bye, have a nice day.