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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth General => Topic started by: Constellator on October 15, 2018, 08:48:45 PM

Title: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Constellator on October 15, 2018, 08:48:45 PM
I started this account a few years ago, spammed some vitriol in support of the Round Earth Theory, and then ran off to find a new target to offend, criticize, and mock. Now, at last, I see the light. It's taken me a long while, but there was a moment at which everything clicked, and now I'm a Flat Earther all the way. And I've finally learned to properly debate, too. No more big words and defensiveness and personal attacks. I'm ready to patiently answer the questions of any Round Earther who has them. See you in the debate section.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on October 15, 2018, 09:10:16 PM
I started this account a few years ago, spammed some vitriol in support of the Round Earth Theory, and then ran off to find a new target to offend, criticize, and mock. Now, at last, I see the light. It's taken me a long while, but there was a moment at which everything clicked, and now I'm a Flat Earther all the way. And I've finally learned to properly debate, too. No more big words and defensiveness and personal attacks. I'm ready to patiently answer the questions of any Round Earther who has them. See you in the debate section.


Ok so what was the moment?
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: wise on October 16, 2018, 12:45:59 AM
I started this account a few years ago, spammed some vitriol in support of the Round Earth Theory, and then ran off to find a new target to offend, criticize, and mock. Now, at last, I see the light. It's taken me a long while, but there was a moment at which everything clicked, and now I'm a Flat Earther all the way. And I've finally learned to properly debate, too. No more big words and defensiveness and personal attacks. I'm ready to patiently answer the questions of any Round Earther who has them. See you in the debate section.

I hope you continue to following the light.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Constellator on October 16, 2018, 01:08:03 PM
Ok so what was the moment?

First of all, I started to see the nature of people—how easy it is to make ideas seem certain if you yourself are convinced of them (and they don't have any inclinations already, as it is when educating children). Second of all, I started to see just how malleable scientific theory is. In this day and age, even such basic assumptions as unitarity and causality are being called into question, because of tiny deviations from expected observations. Yet there are much larger discrepancies in our current understanding of our planet that are sitting right under our noses.

I don't think there's any conspiracy or cover-up involved here. I think everybody is convinced, and for good reason. A round Earth gives a very good approximation of what we observe of the cosmos. But it's time to throw away those toy models and really get to the bottom of the issue. I exaggerated a bit; I'm not "a Flat Earther all the way", but I have a strong suspicion that it's a step in the right direction. At the very least, I'm willing to at least endorse it as an explanation.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Smoke Machine on October 16, 2018, 02:45:55 PM
So, you're throwing away your google earth app in favor of.......?
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Crutchwater on October 16, 2018, 02:49:31 PM
and massive amount of photographic evidence? You say you don't believe there's any conspiracy, so what are all those images at https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/index.html ?
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: rabinoz on October 16, 2018, 04:19:51 PM
Ok so what was the moment?

First of all, I started to see the nature of people—how easy it is to make ideas seem certain if you yourself are convinced of them (and they don't have any inclinations already, as it is when educating children). Second of all, I started to see just how malleable scientific theory is. In this day and age, even such basic assumptions as unitarity and causality are being called into question, because of tiny deviations from expected observations. Yet there are much larger discrepancies in our current understanding of our planet that are sitting right under our noses.

I don't think there's any conspiracy or cover-up involved here.
If there is no conspiracy how do you explain these photos which to my simple mind seem such strong evidence that the earth os a Globe:
We have photos of the Globe from at least the USA, Europe, Russia, India, China and Japan. It would take an unbelievable worldwide conspiracy for all these countries to be faking these photographs.
Here are a couple. The earth rotates very slowly, completing one revolution relative to the sun each 24 hours.
Here is a motion gif where one frame is is taken every hour:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/An_EPIC_Eclipse.gif)
USA, Taken with DSCOVR EPIC.
             

Then there are the Himawari-8 Animations. (https://himawari8.nict.go.jp/himawari8-movie.htm) Here is one:

Taken taken by the Japanese Himawari-8 satellite.
And then photos by USA and Russia:
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Earth%20from%20Space/20160726%20-%20DSCOVR%20EPIC%20187_1003703_africa_zpsduxzmo1m.png)
USA, DSCOVR EPIC 187_1003703_africa
   
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Earth%20from%20Space/20160727%20-%20Russian%20Satellite%20Photo%20around%20midday%20-%20December%202015_zpsuep9wrte.png)
Russian Satellite Photo (around midday) - December 2015
   
(http://mentallandscape.com/C_Zond07_9.jpg)
Russian Zond 7 "Earth Rising"

And now there are more photos from Chinese and Indian launched spacecraft and satellites.

The flat-earth simply demands a conspiracy to be able to claim that all photos from space of the jast 60 years are "fake".

Quote from: Constellator
I think everybody is convinced, and for good reason. A round Earth gives a very good approximation of what we observe of the cosmos. But it's time to throw away those toy models and really get to the bottom of the issue. I exaggerated a bit; I'm not "a Flat Earther all the way", but I have a strong suspicion that it's a step in the right direction. At the very least, I'm willing to at least endorse it as an explanation.
You say you're "willing to at least endorse it as an explanation" but an "explanation" of what? What doesn't the Globe explain adequately?
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: markjo on October 16, 2018, 04:29:04 PM
and massive amount of photographic evidence?
Bah.  Who cares about photographic evidence?  I'd settle for a plausible explanation for a flat earth sunset.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: EarthFromSpace on October 17, 2018, 03:50:23 AM
.. but there was a moment at which everything clicked...
That moment your psychosis started 8)
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: WestToEastEastToWest on October 18, 2018, 05:38:25 AM
and massive amount of photographic evidence?
Bah.  Who cares about photographic evidence?  I'd settle for a plausible explanation for a flat earth sunset.

Just a rudimentary working map would be a start.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: New Earth on October 18, 2018, 10:04:18 AM
This is a question for round Earthers, do you think google earth shows accurate sizes of continents and countries?
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: dutchy on October 18, 2018, 10:34:31 AM
Here is a motion gif where one frame is is taken every hour:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/An_EPIC_Eclipse.gif)
USA, Taken with DSCOVR EPIC.
             

Then there are the Himawari-8 Animations. (https://himawari8.nict.go.jp/himawari8-movie.htm) Here is one:

Taken taken by the Japanese Himawari-8 satellite.
And then photos by USA and Russia:
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Earth%20from%20Space/20160726%20-%20DSCOVR%20EPIC%20187_1003703_africa_zpsduxzmo1m.png)
USA, DSCOVR EPIC 187_1003703_africa
   
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Earth%20from%20Space/20160727%20-%20Russian%20Satellite%20Photo%20around%20midday%20-%20December%202015_zpsuep9wrte.png)
Russian Satellite Photo (around midday) - December 2015
   
(http://mentallandscape.com/C_Zond07_9.jpg)
Russian Zond 7 "Earth Rising"

I'm always baffled that you really think this is what you see at a certain altitude....
Are you really that bad at discerning reality from cgi/photoshop/artist rendering/jigsaw data ??

It's utter crap that for some unknown reason has convinced you & co that it is what earth looks like, althaugh even a ten year old can spot the ''cartoon'' quality from a distance.

Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Crutchwater on October 18, 2018, 11:10:50 AM
Translation: "It doesn't look right"!

Though, you have no idea what it SHOULD look like!
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: dutchy on October 18, 2018, 11:21:10 AM
Translation: "It doesn't look right"!

Though, you have no idea what it SHOULD look like!
I know one thing...this is most certainly as real as those really bad....and i mean really bad globe pics rabinoz posts time and time again.....
(https://www.artforum.com/uploads/upload.002/id01502/article0_1064x.jpg)
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on October 18, 2018, 11:44:45 AM
This is a question for round Earthers, do you think google earth shows accurate sizes of continents and countries?

Are they not?
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: rabinoz on October 18, 2018, 02:29:52 PM
Translation: "It doesn't look right"!

Though, you have no idea what it SHOULD look like!
I know one thing...this is most certainly as real as those really bad....and i mean really bad globe pics rabinoz posts time and time again.....
(https://www.artforum.com/uploads/upload.002/id01502/article0_1064x.jpg)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/pclnwb3x1z9nhni/Sarcasm%20151117_LEX_emoji-oxford-dictionary-word-of-year.jpg.CROP.rectangle2-mediumsmall.jpg?dl=1) Dutchy demonstrating his juggling prowess! (https://www.dropbox.com/s/pclnwb3x1z9nhni/Sarcasm%20151117_LEX_emoji-oxford-dictionary-word-of-year.jpg.CROP.rectangle2-mediumsmall.jpg?dl=1)

 Like these "really bad globe pics rabinoz posts time and time again..... "?
Here is a motion gif where one frame is is taken every hour:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/An_EPIC_Eclipse.gif)
USA, Taken with DSCOVR EPIC.
             

Then there are the Himawari-8 Animations. (https://himawari8.nict.go.jp/himawari8-movie.htm) Here is one:

Taken taken by the Japanese Himawari-8 satellite.
And then photos by USA and Russia:
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Earth%20from%20Space/20160726%20-%20DSCOVR%20EPIC%20187_1003703_africa_zpsduxzmo1m.png)
USA, DSCOVR EPIC 187_1003703_africa
   
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Earth%20from%20Space/20160727%20-%20Russian%20Satellite%20Photo%20around%20midday%20-%20December%202015_zpsuep9wrte.png)
Russian Satellite Photo (around midday) - December 2015
   
(http://mentallandscape.com/C_Zond07_9.jpg)
Russian Zond 7 "Earth Rising"

Now kindly either:
        explain exactly what is wrong with those photos.
        admit that you haven't the slightest idea of what you are talking about.
I'll opt for the latter.

Why do you even bother posting, Dutchy, with your big-mouth but never anything to back up your claims.

Now please explain two little questions about this nice photo looking across Lake Michigan:
(http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/images/gpsunset.jpg)
photo by:Gail of Waynes This and That (http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/index.htm)

You're so funny, Dutchy. You seem to think that disproving space-flight proves the earth flat ::).
In case you hadn't heard the Globe has been the accepted shape for a couple on millennia and the Heliocentric Globe for quite a few centuries.

Ignorantly ridiculing photos of the Globe and space-flight proves nothing!
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: New Earth on October 18, 2018, 02:33:27 PM
This is a question for round Earthers, do you think google earth shows accurate sizes of continents and countries?

Are they not?


No they are not. For example From Cairo Egypt to Johanesburg South Africa is roughly 5 thousand miles and it takes 8 hours to fly. From Chicago to Paris is about 4 thousand miles and it also takes 8 hours to fly. So there is a difference of thousand miles yet takes the same amount of time to fly. Something is wrong I think? LOL
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Alpha2Omega on October 18, 2018, 02:40:21 PM
This is a question for round Earthers, do you think google earth shows accurate sizes of continents and countries?

Accurate for what purpose? The digital model of the earth it's based on is quite accurate for most purposes, but for very detailed work it's probably not good enough. It's based on the WGS 84 ellipsoid, which is an approximation of the overall shape of the earth, so that isn't perfect, and if you zoom in enough and look around you can probably find mismatches amounting to a few meters in the stitching of the imagery.

Any projection of the surface of the ellipsoidal earth onto a flat surface (such as a computer monitor) will have some distortion. Whether the distortion is a problem depends on what you're trying to do.

For just looking at the relationships between continents, countries, and subdivisions within countries, then I'd say yes, it's accurate except at very small scales (when distortion becomes significant). If I wanted to establish the location of boundaries for legal purposes based on the imagery at very large scales ("zoomed way in"), then no, it's not accurate enough. For that you need real surveys.

Aha! I see you answered part of that while I was typing... for those purposes, yes, GE is quite accurate.

This is a question for round Earthers, do you think google earth shows accurate sizes of continents and countries?

Are they not?


No they are not. For example From Cairo Egypt to Johanesburg South Africa is roughly 5 thousand miles and it takes 8 hours to fly. From Chicago to Paris is about 4 thousand miles and it also takes 8 hours to fly. So there is a difference of thousand miles yet takes the same amount of time to fly. Something is wrong I think? LOL

There's not enough information to tell if something is wrong or not. Were these both nonstop flights (note that a direct flight is not the same as a nonstop flight)? Did they use the same equipment? Do they have the same prevailing winds? Do both follow approximately a great-circle path?

What are the flight numbers of these two routes?

[Edit to add] GE gives 4155 miles from ORD (Chicago O'Hare) to CDG (Paris Charles de Gaulle) and 3844 miles from CAI to JNB. That's a difference of about 300 miles, not 1,000. This agrees with published flight distances.

What's wrong appears to be that you goofed.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: New Earth on October 18, 2018, 03:00:44 PM
I don't know the flight numbers but the winds or the age of an airplane nor any other factors cannot justify thousand miles difference yet the same flight time. Thousand miles is a very long distance. So if the flight times are the same this means the globe is wrong.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: magellanclavichord on October 18, 2018, 03:35:47 PM
This is a question for round Earthers, do you think google earth shows accurate sizes of continents and countries?

Are they not?


No they are not. For example From Cairo Egypt to Johanesburg South Africa is roughly 5 thousand miles and it takes 8 hours to fly. From Chicago to Paris is about 4 thousand miles and it also takes 8 hours to fly. So there is a difference of thousand miles yet takes the same amount of time to fly. Something is wrong I think? LOL

Cairo to Johannesburg is 6265 kilometers and takes 8 hours 5 minutes on EgyptAir.
Cairo to Paris is 4,618 kilometers and takes 5 hours on Air France. The flight does not follow the most direct route, instead crossing the Mediterranean from Tunisia to Italy, probably to reduce the over-water time.

Note that not all planes/airlines fly at the same speed. Different aircraft types have different top and ideal speeds, and some airlines will be willing to burn more fuel and fly faster than others for the convenience of their passengers.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Crutchwater on October 18, 2018, 03:42:36 PM
Translation: "It doesn't look right"!

Though, you have no idea what it SHOULD look like!
I know one thing...this is most certainly as real as those really bad....and i mean really bad globe pics rabinoz posts time and time again.....
(https://www.artforum.com/uploads/upload.002/id01502/article0_1064x.jpg)

What makes those images "really bad"?
Do you have a sample of what they SHOULD look like?

You continually criticize my musicianship, yet there is absolutely no way you could have even the slightest clue as to my playing abilities, aside from my humble, self-depricating comments.

You are no one
You have nothing.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Stash on October 18, 2018, 03:52:39 PM
I don't know the flight numbers but the winds or the age of an airplane nor any other factors cannot justify thousand miles difference yet the same flight time. Thousand miles is a very long distance. So if the flight times are the same this means the globe is wrong.

I'm not sure where you get your data from. But here are two flights that took place this week. Cruising speed for the fights:

ORD-CDG: 560 knots (most likely due to flying with the jetstream)
CAI-JNB: 480 knots

Approx 450km difference.

(https://i.imgur.com/PfRI3M8.jpg)
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: rabinoz on October 18, 2018, 03:55:39 PM
This is a question for round Globe Earthers, do you think google earth shows accurate sizes of continents and countries?
Yes I do!

This is a question for flat-Earthers, where do you think Google Earth shows inaccurate sizes of continents and countries?

But look at this:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/fs1q6zk3y1o5w1v/Australia%20Dimensions%20-%20Ice%20Ring%20Map.png?dl=1)
Australia Size on Ice Wall Map,
E-W 8,700 km and N-S 3,300 km
   
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/v9fp0ih0pz7l8xm/1892-new-standard-map-Australia.png?dl=1)
Australia on Gleason's Map,
E-W 8,700 km and N-S 3,200 km
   
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/8yj1twpbdxhqtqf/Australia%20on%20Google%20Earth.png?dl=1)
Australia on Google Earth,
E-W 3,700 km and N-S 3,200 km

Measurement   
   Ice Wall   Gleason's   Google Earth
West-East 30° Lat   
   8,700 km   8,700 km   3,700 km
Cape Yk-Wils Prom   
   3,300 km   3,200 km   3,200 km

If you complain that these distances are from that "terrible" Google Earth, here is a map surveyed before 1855.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/yqh9iqdddv88soa/Map%20of%20Australia%201855%20-%20768x640.jpg?dl=1)
Map of Australia 1855
All I can do on that map is to measure distances the old way - measure distances from the map, but the same distances are close with 3659 km along the 30° parallel latitude.

The shape and dimensions of Australia on Google Earth look right to me.
So, New Earth, you prove me wrong!


Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Alpha2Omega on October 18, 2018, 04:47:01 PM
I don't know the flight numbers but the winds or the age of an airplane nor any other factors cannot justify thousand miles difference yet the same flight time. Thousand miles is a very long distance. So if the flight times are the same this means the globe is wrong.

More likely your distances are wrong. Maybe you didn't notice my edit. The difference is more like 300 miles, not 1,000. Check your GE distances.

Can you check the distances you reported?

As a helpful suggestion, if you're making claims like this, having some information to back up your claims, so readers can check for themselves what you're saying, strengthens them if they're valid. Flight numbers, for example.

Many airlines publish the nominal distance along with the estimated times for their flights and the type of aircraft they use (especially for very long routes). It's possible to find typical airspeed specs for different types of aircraft online, and they do vary. If you find a significant difference between your measured distance and the published distance, a second look is called for. Sometimes scheduled routes deviate from the shortest possible for various political (you don't want to fly over an actively hostile country or a shooting war), practical (avoiding volcanic ash, minimizing travel over oceans or large deserts), or logistical (difficult to reach in the event of an emergency landing) reasons.

Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Smoke Machine on October 18, 2018, 09:46:54 PM
New Earth, not only does Google Earth show accurate sizes and shapes of countries, but it all fits perfectly like a giant 3d jigsaw puzzle.

This means you can zoom out from most locations to a globe earth, or zoom in on almost any location in the world.

What's the  name and street name of your local library? We can all view it using Google Earth, right now.

Next year, my plan is to work in Antarctica. What does that tell you about flat earth and the stupid ice wall proposition? If it tells you flat earth is impossible, you would be right.

Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: New Earth on October 19, 2018, 06:09:31 AM
New Earth, not only does Google Earth show accurate sizes and shapes of countries, but it all fits perfectly like a giant 3d jigsaw puzzle.

This means you can zoom out from most locations to a globe earth, or zoom in on almost any location in the world.

What's the  name and street name of your local library? We can all view it using Google Earth, right now.

Next year, my plan is to work in Antarctica. What does that tell you about flat earth and the stupid ice wall proposition? If it tells you flat earth is impossible, you would be right.
 

Work in Antarctica? So what. Just because you gonna work there how do you know it's shape? They are not gonna fly you to space and show you that right? They will take you South and land you on some remote icy landmass, but how you gonna know its really Antarctica? You are not going to. Belief in a globe is based on trust that is all it is.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: magellanclavichord on October 19, 2018, 06:59:42 AM
New Earth, not only does Google Earth show accurate sizes and shapes of countries, but it all fits perfectly like a giant 3d jigsaw puzzle.

This means you can zoom out from most locations to a globe earth, or zoom in on almost any location in the world.

What's the  name and street name of your local library? We can all view it using Google Earth, right now.

Next year, my plan is to work in Antarctica. What does that tell you about flat earth and the stupid ice wall proposition? If it tells you flat earth is impossible, you would be right.
 

Work in Antarctica? So what. Just because you gonna work there how do you know it's shape? They are not gonna fly you to space and show you that right? They will take you South and land you on some remote icy landmass, but how you gonna know its really Antarctica? You are not going to. Belief in a globe is based on trust that is all it is.

To paraphrase the above: Just because you're working there, how do you know it really exists?  ::)
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on October 19, 2018, 07:18:13 AM
New Earth, not only does Google Earth show accurate sizes and shapes of countries, but it all fits perfectly like a giant 3d jigsaw puzzle.

This means you can zoom out from most locations to a globe earth, or zoom in on almost any location in the world.

What's the  name and street name of your local library? We can all view it using Google Earth, right now.

Next year, my plan is to work in Antarctica. What does that tell you about flat earth and the stupid ice wall proposition? If it tells you flat earth is impossible, you would be right.
 

Work in Antarctica? So what. Just because you gonna work there how do you know it's shape? They are not gonna fly you to space and show you that right? They will take you South and land you on some remote icy landmass, but how you gonna know its really Antarctica? You are not going to. Belief in a globe is based on trust that is all it is.

To paraphrase the above: Just because you're working there, how do you know it really exists?  ::)

Just because a map shows the shape of the continent, how do you know it really looks like that?
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: magellanclavichord on October 19, 2018, 08:53:00 AM
New Earth, not only does Google Earth show accurate sizes and shapes of countries, but it all fits perfectly like a giant 3d jigsaw puzzle.

This means you can zoom out from most locations to a globe earth, or zoom in on almost any location in the world.

What's the  name and street name of your local library? We can all view it using Google Earth, right now.

Next year, my plan is to work in Antarctica. What does that tell you about flat earth and the stupid ice wall proposition? If it tells you flat earth is impossible, you would be right.
 

Work in Antarctica? So what. Just because you gonna work there how do you know it's shape? They are not gonna fly you to space and show you that right? They will take you South and land you on some remote icy landmass, but how you gonna know its really Antarctica? You are not going to. Belief in a globe is based on trust that is all it is.

To paraphrase the above: Just because you're working there, how do you know it really exists?  ::)

Just because a map shows the shape of the continent, how do you know it really looks like that?

Just because you put peanut butter on a sandwich how do you know it can't fly if you put it on a banana leaf?
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on October 19, 2018, 09:51:46 AM
New Earth, not only does Google Earth show accurate sizes and shapes of countries, but it all fits perfectly like a giant 3d jigsaw puzzle.

This means you can zoom out from most locations to a globe earth, or zoom in on almost any location in the world.

What's the  name and street name of your local library? We can all view it using Google Earth, right now.

Next year, my plan is to work in Antarctica. What does that tell you about flat earth and the stupid ice wall proposition? If it tells you flat earth is impossible, you would be right.
 

Work in Antarctica? So what. Just because you gonna work there how do you know it's shape? They are not gonna fly you to space and show you that right? They will take you South and land you on some remote icy landmass, but how you gonna know its really Antarctica? You are not going to. Belief in a globe is based on trust that is all it is.

To paraphrase the above: Just because you're working there, how do you know it really exists?  ::)

Just because a map shows the shape of the continent, how do you know it really looks like that?

Just because you put peanut butter on a sandwich how do you know it can't fly if you put it on a banana leaf?

Just because you post on the internet how do you know that you aren't part of the matrix?
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: New Earth on October 19, 2018, 11:26:20 AM
Lots of trolling here but its OK. I wish admins would cull the herd here. LOL Anyways did you guys know there are no time zones in Antarctica nor the North Pole. That is right if you were to go to Antarctica which appears to be a huge landmass on the globe you and your co workers would literally have to pick any time zone agree upon it and go from there. For example South Pole mostly shares same time zone with New Zealand even thou its no where near it.  How can such huge continent have no clear time zones? Same thing with North Pole no set time zone. Imagine going to sleep there and asking your friend to wake you up at 8 a.m. Only to find out that hours do not really exist where you at. You guys always ask for the evidence to prove that globe is not real, well I just gave you one. This does not prove flat earth, but clearly disproves the globe.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on October 19, 2018, 11:33:37 AM
Lots of trolling here but its OK. I wish admins would cull the herd here. LOL Anyways did you guys know there are no time zones in Antarctica nor the North Pole. That is right if you were to go to Antarctica which appears to be a huge landmass on the globe you and your co workers would literally have to pick any time zone agree upon it and go from there. For example South Pole mostly shares same time zone with New Zealand even thou its no where near it.  How can such huge continent have no clear time zones? Same thing with North Pole no set time zone. Imagine going to sleep there and asking your friend to wake you up at 8 a.m. Only to find out that hours do not really exist where you at. You guys always ask for the evidence to prove that globe is not real, well I just gave you one. This does not prove flat earth, but clearly disproves the globe.

No designated timezone does not disprove the globe.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Stash on October 19, 2018, 12:18:28 PM
Lots of trolling here but its OK. I wish admins would cull the herd here. LOL Anyways did you guys know there are no time zones in Antarctica nor the North Pole. That is right if you were to go to Antarctica which appears to be a huge landmass on the globe you and your co workers would literally have to pick any time zone agree upon it and go from there. For example South Pole mostly shares same time zone with New Zealand even thou its no where near it.  How can such huge continent have no clear time zones? Same thing with North Pole no set time zone. Imagine going to sleep there and asking your friend to wake you up at 8 a.m. Only to find out that hours do not really exist where you at. You guys always ask for the evidence to prove that globe is not real, well I just gave you one. This does not prove flat earth, but clearly disproves the globe.

I don't know what timezones have to do with much of anything here. But for example, India has their own unique timezone offset from the rest of the world's timezones by 30 minutes.

"Indian ServerTime (IST) is the time observed throughout India, with a time offset of UTC+05:30. India does not observe daylight saving time (DST) or other seasonal adjustments."

Does the fact that India has their own unique timezone or that Antarctica shares theirs with New Zealand have anything to do with disproving the globe? I think not.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Copper Knickers on October 19, 2018, 02:21:26 PM
Lots of trolling here but its OK. I wish admins would cull the herd here. LOL Anyways did you guys know there are no time zones in Antarctica nor the North Pole. That is right if you were to go to Antarctica which appears to be a huge landmass on the globe you and your co workers would literally have to pick any time zone agree upon it and go from there. For example South Pole mostly shares same time zone with New Zealand even thou its no where near it.  How can such huge continent have no clear time zones? Same thing with North Pole no set time zone. Imagine going to sleep there and asking your friend to wake you up at 8 a.m. Only to find out that hours do not really exist where you at. You guys always ask for the evidence to prove that globe is not real, well I just gave you one. This does not prove flat earth, but clearly disproves the globe.

Leaving aside the fact that several time zones are in use in Antarctica (https://www.timeanddate.com/time/zone/antarctica), how would it disprove a globe if that wasn't the case?

The choice of time zone at the poles is somewhat arbitrary. This is a consequence of the earth being a globe. Do you see why that is?
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Stash on October 19, 2018, 02:51:05 PM
Leaving aside the fact that several time zones are in use in Antarctica (https://www.timeanddate.com/time/zone/antarctica), how would it disprove a globe if that wasn't the case?

The choice of time zone at the poles is somewhat arbitrary. This is a consequence of the earth being a globe. Do you see why that is?

Funny, this is where I was going, but I thought the concept would be lost on New Earth.

New Earth, there are 24+ timezones in the world. Put on your thinking cap and ruminate on why that may have been avoided at the poles. Hint: Looking at a globe may help you understand the concept.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: rabinoz on October 19, 2018, 03:28:23 PM
Lots of trolling here but its OK. I wish admins would cull the herd here. LOL Anyways did you guys know there are no time zones in Antarctica nor the North Pole. That is right if you were to go to Antarctica which appears to be a huge landmass on the globe you and your co workers would literally have to pick any time zone agree upon it and go from there. For example South Pole mostly shares same time zone with New Zealand even thou its no where near it.  How can such huge continent have no clear time zones?
Totally incorrect! Look at this little gem:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/sxr0lceeabe9x6v/Time%20Zones%20Currently%20Being%20Used%20in%20Antarctica%20including%20at%20THE%20South%20Pole.png?dl=1)
Time Zones Currently Being Used in Antarctica including at THE South Pole

Right at THE Geographic Pole, where the Amundsen-Scott Base is located, they do "same time zone with New Zealand" because most flights are from and to there.
But other places use time zones relevant to their location.

Quote from: New Earth
Same thing with North Pole no set time zone. Imagine going to sleep there and asking your friend to wake you up at 8 a.m. Only to find out that hours do not really exist where you at.
Since the Geographic South Pole has 24-hour daylight from the September equinox to the March equinox and the North pole the other half year "going to sleep there and asking your friend to wake you up at 8 a.m" in quite unavoidable.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/b9krfz3uw31phka/Flat%20Earth%20-%20Debunked%21%2024%20Hour%20Sun%20at%20the%20South%20Pole%20-%20Don%27t%20Stop%20Motion.jpg?dl=1)
Flat Earth - Debunked! 24 Hour Sun at the South Pole - Don't Stop Motion (https://www.youtube.co/watch?v=pcppf47VhrU&t=36s)

Quote from: New Earth
You guys always ask for the evidence to prove that globe is not real, well I just gave you one. This does not prove flat earth, but clearly disproves the globe.
Yup, we certainly do "always ask for the evidence to prove that globe is not real" but I'm afraid all you did not give us anything.

Now, while the time-zones and 24-hour daylight might not prove the earth a Globe it certainly debunks that usual Ice-Wall/UN Flag flat earth latout!
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: magellanclavichord on October 19, 2018, 04:04:05 PM
Regardless of whether the Earth is flat or round, both the north and south pole have 6 months of sunlight followed by six months of dark. It really doesn't matter what time zone you use there. So it makes sense for each station to use the time zone of its sponsoring country.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Alpha2Omega on October 19, 2018, 04:25:30 PM
Right at THE Geographic Pole, where the Amundsen-Scott Base is located, they do "same time zone with New Zealand" because most flights are from and to there.

To clarify, most flights to and from Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station, and most of the station's logistics and support, are from McMurdo Station, at the edge of the Ross Ice Shelf. So, for convenience, since any time zone is as good as any other at the pole, they both use the same time zone.

Most flights to and from McMurdo are from the US Antatrctic Program's support and logistics facility in Christchurch, NZ, so, again for convenience, McMurdo uses NZ time; it makes scheduling flights easier since no time change is involved, and office hours coincide. McMurdo is roughly due south of Christchurch, so when there are day-night cycles there around the equinoxes, they're in sync with NZ anyway, so it's a logical choice for that reason, too.

Time zones are a human creation to make interaction among different regions around the globe simpler. Their application near the poles becomes more a matter of convenience since whether the sun is above the horizon or not is dictated less by the time of day than it is by the season.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: rabinoz on October 19, 2018, 06:13:28 PM
Lots of trolling here but its OK. I wish admins would cull the herd here.
Yes, New Earth, there sure is "lots of trolling here" and much of it is coming from the likes of you posting quite incorrect material as your own post.

I guess you'd prefer a forum where you're free to post any sort of disinformation you like without any opposition.

Well, do I have news for you. Just submit an application to those admins for you to be  ;) elevated ;) to the "rank of True Believer".
Then you can join the underworld in the Flat Earth Believers' Forum. If you wish, post only there and never be concerned by "true facts" again.

That's one way the herd can be "culled" of those who refuse to see reality.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Smoke Machine on October 20, 2018, 01:17:59 AM
New Earth, it's ok, I know you're not a troll. You can't troll support for a flat earth on a flat earth forum, can you?

So, you're question to me was, "So you're working there, but how do you know the shape of the land your're working on?" Is that about right?

Well, New Earth, I don't need to travel into outer space in a spaceship to answer that question. There is this other invention called an "aircraft". You may have heard of it?

I will be doing flights across Antarctica, from one side to the other, straight over the magnetic south pole. I'll be living on one of the scientific bases.

Find yourself a flat piece of paper, New Earth, scrunch it into a ball and write, "Earth" on it. On the bottom of your new earth ball is where you can find me.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: magellanclavichord on October 20, 2018, 07:00:42 AM
Time zones are a human creation to make interaction among different regions around the globe simpler.

Time zones were actually created to make railroad timetables easier. When every town set its clocks to local noon, railroad timetables were a holy mess.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Alpha2Omega on October 20, 2018, 07:15:49 AM
Time zones are a human creation to make interaction among different regions around the globe simpler.

Time zones were actually created to make railroad timetables easier. When every town set its clocks to local noon, railroad timetables were a holy mess.

Yep, but the benefit applies globally.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: magellanclavichord on October 20, 2018, 01:41:50 PM
Time zones are a human creation to make interaction among different regions around the globe simpler.

Time zones were actually created to make railroad timetables easier. When every town set its clocks to local noon, railroad timetables were a holy mess.

Yep, but the benefit applies globally.

But those benefits came later, since at the time communication between distant places took long enough that the coordination of the time of day was not an issue. Railroad travel, not communicating across distances, was the impetus.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: New Earth on October 21, 2018, 01:27:45 PM
New Earth, it's ok, I know you're not a troll. You can't troll support for a flat earth on a flat earth forum, can you?

So, you're question to me was, "So you're working there, but how do you know the shape of the land your're working on?" Is that about right?

Well, New Earth, I don't need to travel into outer space in a spaceship to answer that question. There is this other invention called an "aircraft". You may have heard of it?

I will be doing flights across Antarctica, from one side to the other, straight over the magnetic south pole. I'll be living on one of the scientific bases.

Find yourself a flat piece of paper, N ew Earth, scrunch it into a ball and write, "Earth" on it. On the bottom of your new earth ball is where you can find me.


You guys are so full of shit about time zones. Time zones exist because Heleocentric model of the rotating globe must be explained. The concept of time is not something people agree upon, its either real or not. They could not figure out how to lie about South or North Pole. They could not solve it. I don't wanna talk about this anymore please do not comment. But hey Sunset you are full of shit dude. You more full of shit then Rab at this point. First of all why you getting smart with me and asking me if I know what aircraft is? I have been on more flights then most people. You saying you will fly across Antarctica straight over South Pole, since there are no airports in Antarctica how? what exactly do you do? Why would anyone fly you across Antarctica. Its a no fly zone. You never going there,  you a troll my dude.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Stash on October 21, 2018, 01:48:58 PM
You guys are so full of shit about time zones. Time zones exist because Heleocentric model of the rotating globe must be explained. The concept of time is not something people agree upon, its either real or not. They could not figure out how to lie about South or North Pole. They could not solve it. I don't wanna talk about this anymore please do not comment. But hey Sunset you are full of shit dude. You more full of shit then Rab at this point. First of all why you getting smart with me and asking me if I know what aircraft is? I have been on more flights then most people. You saying you will fly across Antarctica straight over South Pole, since there are no airports in Antarctica how? what exactly do you do? Why would anyone fly you across Antarctica. Its a no fly zone. You never going there,  you a troll my dude.

If not wanting comment, why ask questions?

And if your no comment comments are directed toward the notion of Antarctica being a 'no fly zone', etc. can you provide proof of that fact? I mean it's one thing to 'think you can't fly there' and another thing to 'know you can't fly there'. The 'know' requires evidence. In the absence of 'know', 'think' is, well, just 'think'.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: MicroBeta on October 21, 2018, 02:40:28 PM
Translation: "It doesn't look right"!

Though, you have no idea what it SHOULD look like!
I know one thing...this is most certainly as real as those really bad....and i mean really bad globe pics rabinoz posts time and time again.....
(https://www.artforum.com/uploads/upload.002/id01502/article0_1064x.jpg)
What specifically is bad about them?

Mike
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Alpha2Omega on October 21, 2018, 03:30:33 PM
You guys are so full of shit about time zones. Time zones exist because Heleocentric model of the rotating globe must be explained.

No, they exist because dealing with the fact that the sun crosses the meridian at different times at different longitudes is easiest in approximately one-hour chunks.

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The concept of time is not something people agree upon, its either real or not.

Time has an effect on our lives. If you don't want to believe it's real or not is irrelevant.

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They could not figure out how to lie about South or North Pole. They could not solve it.

There's nothing to solve except what to use as the reference for time of day near the poles since any reference is as good as any other. Groups of people simply agree to one that is most practical for them, and use that.

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I don't wanna talk about this anymore please do not comment.

Feel free not to comment further, then, or even read the replies. Problem solved.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: magellanclavichord on October 21, 2018, 04:05:20 PM
New Earth, it's ok, I know you're not a troll. You can't troll support for a flat earth on a flat earth forum, can you?

So, you're question to me was, "So you're working there, but how do you know the shape of the land your're working on?" Is that about right?

Well, New Earth, I don't need to travel into outer space in a spaceship to answer that question. There is this other invention called an "aircraft". You may have heard of it?

I will be doing flights across Antarctica, from one side to the other, straight over the magnetic south pole. I'll be living on one of the scientific bases.

Find yourself a flat piece of paper, N ew Earth, scrunch it into a ball and write, "Earth" on it. On the bottom of your new earth ball is where you can find me.


You guys are so full of shit about time zones. Time zones exist because Heleocentric model of the rotating globe must be explained. The concept of time is not something people agree upon, its either real or not. They could not figure out how to lie about South or North Pole. They could not solve it. I don't wanna talk about this anymore please do not comment. But hey Sunset you are full of shit dude. You more full of shit then Rab at this point. First of all why you getting smart with me and asking me if I know what aircraft is? I have been on more flights then most people. You saying you will fly across Antarctica straight over South Pole, since there are no airports in Antarctica how? what exactly do you do? Why would anyone fly you across Antarctica. Its a no fly zone. You never going there,  you a troll my dude.

You can phone someone in another part of the world and ask them what time it is there. It will be different than where you are if they are any considerable distance east or west of you.

There are no commercial airlines operating in Antarctica, but the research stations all have landing strips and get their supplies by air. Tourists cannot fly over the pole, but researchers can and do.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: rabinoz on October 21, 2018, 04:17:09 PM
You guys are so full of shit about time zones. Time zones exist because Heleocentric Heliocentric model of the rotating globe must be explained.
Totally incorrect garbage!
Whether you believe it or not the sun rises and reaches its zenith at different times around the earth and it even the flat earth explains this, though incorrectly!

Quote from: New Earth
The concept of time is not something people agree upon, its either real or not.

They could not figure out how to lie about South or North Pole.
No-one except idiots like you "lie about South or North Pole". Why lie? Both the North and South Pole are real - get used to it!

Quote from: New Earth
They could not solve it.
Garbage! What's to solve?

Quote from: New Earth
I don't wanna talk about this anymore please do not comment.
Tough! You spout your total garbage then run away like all cowards do!

Quote from: New Earth
But hey Sunset you are full of shit dude. You more full of shit then Rab at this point. First of all why you getting smart with me and asking me if I know what aircraft is? I have been on more flights then most people. You saying you will fly across Antarctica straight over South Pole, since there are no airports in Antarctica how?
What a total ignoramus your are! Just Google "list of airstrips in Antarctica"! Look at this great list: List of airports in Antarctica (https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/List_of_airports_in_Antarctica.html)


Quote from: New Earth
what exactly do you do? Why would anyone fly you across Antarctica. Its a no fly zone. You never going there,  you a troll my dude.
Antarctica is not a no fly zone!
Now run away and peddle your garbage elsewhere!
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: markjo on October 21, 2018, 04:55:58 PM
You guys are so full of shit about time zones. Time zones exist because Heleocentric model of the rotating globe must be explained. The concept of time is not something people agree upon, its either real or not. They could not figure out how to lie about South or North Pole.
Nonsense.  Time zones weren't invented until about the 19th century.  Before then, everyone used local time based on the sun.  Blame the railroads for time zones.
https://www.timeanddate.com/time/time-zones-history.html
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Smoke Machine on October 22, 2018, 08:04:48 AM
I'm very very sorry, New Earth. But my application is in to work in the Australian contingent on Antarctica as a Communications Officer. Excuse the pun, but it will be pretty cool.

Rab is right, there are airstrips. Not for tourists though. There are also a few volcanoes in Antarctica.

New Earth, I guess I was wrong about you and planes. How are you in helicopters?

It's not my fault the place has appealing work going. It's also not my fault the place disproves the most popular flat earth model. But I don't know why you're annoyed? Isn't your theory that earth is a ball in the 3d, but flat in the 4th dimension as per your visions?
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: sceptimatic on October 22, 2018, 11:12:04 PM
Here is a motion gif where one frame is is taken every hour:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/An_EPIC_Eclipse.gif)
USA, Taken with DSCOVR EPIC.
             

Then there are the Himawari-8 Animations. (https://himawari8.nict.go.jp/himawari8-movie.htm) Here is one:

Taken taken by the Japanese Himawari-8 satellite.
And then photos by USA and Russia:
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Earth%20from%20Space/20160726%20-%20DSCOVR%20EPIC%20187_1003703_africa_zpsduxzmo1m.png)
USA, DSCOVR EPIC 187_1003703_africa
   
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Earth%20from%20Space/20160727%20-%20Russian%20Satellite%20Photo%20around%20midday%20-%20December%202015_zpsuep9wrte.png)
Russian Satellite Photo (around midday) - December 2015
   
(http://mentallandscape.com/C_Zond07_9.jpg)
Russian Zond 7 "Earth Rising"

I'm always baffled that you really think this is what you see at a certain altitude....
Are you really that bad at discerning reality from cgi/photoshop/artist rendering/jigsaw data ??

It's utter crap that for some unknown reason has convinced you & co that it is what earth looks like, althaugh even a ten year old can spot the ''cartoon'' quality from a distance.
He doesn't believe it, in my opinion. He's just arguing for the side of mass indoctrination.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Themightykabool on October 22, 2018, 11:24:00 PM
Didnt scept get banned for making insulting a goat?
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: New Earth on October 22, 2018, 11:37:57 PM
I'm not annoyed at all Sunset. Yes in 3D Earth is a globe matrix in 5D its infinite plane. It will always be this way no matter what Rab, Stash or others say. I called my senator and asked if I can go to Antarctica as civilian he said no. I'm a pretty important guy around these parts so if I cannot go you Sunset surely cannot go. You are not a pilot nor will you be traveling to Antarctica by a ship. You will be given a job there but you wont be going there, they are selling you snake oil. You will most likely end up on uncharted island close to Antarctica, Greenland, Northern Canada or Russia, thinking you are at the South Pole. Tell them no and work for Starbucks instead, at least you will know where you at LOL
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Stash on October 23, 2018, 12:31:55 AM
I'm not annoyed at all Sunset. Yes in 3D Earth is a globe matrix in 5D its infinite plane. It will always be this way no matter what Rab, Stash or others say. I called my senator and asked if I can go to Antarctica as civilian he said no. I'm a pretty important guy around these parts so if I cannot go you Sunset surely cannot go. You are not a pilot nor will you be traveling to Antarctica by a ship. You will be given a job there but you wont be going there, they are selling you snake oil. You will most likely end up on uncharted island close to Antarctica, Greenland, Northern Canada or Russia, thinking you are at the South Pole. Tell them no and work for Starbucks instead, at least you will know where you at LOL

I've read a lot of strange stuff around here, but this, whoa, pretty much bests all else.

Let me try and get this straight. You're an important person and you called your Senator and asked him if you can go to Antarctica? You called your Senator? And they, the actual senator, said, "No, I'm sorry New Earth, though you are very important around here, you may not go to Antarctica."

I don't even know where to go with this. There's such a fine line between clever and stupid.

Hey, if your delusions make you happy, who am I to challenge them.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: rabinoz on October 23, 2018, 02:18:58 AM
I'm not annoyed at all Sunset. Yes in 3D Earth is a globe matrix in 5D its infinite plane. It will always be this way no matter what Rab, Stash or others say. I called my senator and asked if I can go to Antarctica as civilian he said no.
Anybody can go to Antarctica and even the South Pole as a tourist. It costs money and obviously requires suitable preparation.
I've got no idea what you requested but there have been many adventurers  treking to the South Pole.
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SOUTH POLE - ALL THE WAY (https://www.adventureconsultants.com/expeditions/antarctica/south-pole-all-the-way/)
Of the ample adventures to dream of in this world, there are very few which appeal to the spirit more than an opportunity to travel unencumbered in the Antarctic continent.

Of the ample adventures to dream of in this world, there are very few which appeal to the spirit more than an opportunity to travel unencumbered in the Antarctic continent.

This incredible journey to the southernmost point on earth involves a long and strenuous 730mile/1170km trek over 50-60 days.

An expedition of unspoiled beauty and isolation not often found in today’s world; this is a highlight trip for those with a healthy work ethic and a genuine sense of adventure!
Then there have been numerous organised expeditions crossing Antarctica coast-to-coast via the South Pole.
You might (or might not) read of some Antarctic expeditions: Re: Where did Amelia Earhart disappear? (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=78078.msg2110099#msg2110099)

Quote from: New Earth
I'm a pretty important guy around these parts so if I cannot go you Sunset surely cannot go. You are not a pilot nor will you be traveling to Antarctica by a ship. You will be given a job there but you wont be going there, they are selling you snake oil.
Would you care to provide any evidence for your claims and your unsupported words are not evidence!
How do you know what Sunset is or is not doing or how he is travelling?
Though if he's going to the South Pole he's presumably flying and not walking or riding a bicycle as some have done.

Quote from: New Earth
You will most likely end up on uncharted island close to Antarctica, Greenland, Northern Canada or Russia, thinking you are at the South Pole. Tell them no and work for Starbucks instead, at least you will know where you at LOL
New Earth it is very easy to verify that one is at the South Pole - look at what the sun does!
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/b9krfz3uw31phka/Flat%20Earth%20-%20Debunked%21%2024%20Hour%20Sun%20at%20the%20South%20Pole%20-%20Don%27t%20Stop%20Motion.jpg?dl=1)
Flat Earth - Debunked! 24 Hour Sun at the South Pole - Don't Stop Motion (https://www.youtube.co/watch?v=pcppf47VhrU&t=36s)

You are probably going to claim all these are faked but I'd believe all that in preference to any of your claims.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: magellanclavichord on October 23, 2018, 08:51:28 AM
... Tell them no and work for Starbucks instead, at least you will know where you at LOL

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!! Don't work for Starbucks. They'll tell you you're going to work at the corner coffee store, but they'll really transport you to their secret gulag run by lizard people where you'll have to mine coffee beans by digging through rock with your fingernails. You'll have no idea where you are because all the maps there are upside down.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Alpha2Omega on October 23, 2018, 10:02:25 AM
You are not a pilot nor will you be traveling to Antarctica by a ship. You will be given a job there but you wont be going there, they are selling you snake oil. You will most likely end up on uncharted island close to Antarctica

How are they going to find that uncharted island if it's uncharted?

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Greenland, Northern Canada or Russia, thinking you are at the South Pole.

That should be easy enough to tell.

Is the sun up all day or most of the day in December or January? If yes, you're in the southern hemisphere, so you're not in Greenland, Northern Canada, or Russia.

When you stand facing the sun, does it appear to move across the sky from your left to your right, or from your right to your left? If the latter, again, you're in the southern hemisphere, so you're not in Greenland, Northern Canada, or Russia.

Easy peasy.

If the sun is up all day at any time during your stay, and it's after September and before March, you know you're at higher latitude than the antarctic circle.

If you can measure the elevation angle of the sun above the horizon at its highest and lowest point any day it's above the horizon all day (or grazes the horizon, in which case lowest elevation = 0°), you can estimate your latitude. The difference between highest and lowest elevation angle is twice your angular distance from the pole, so

Latitude = 90° - (highest - lowest)/2.

Here's a "handy" way to estimate angles in the sky without instruments: https://oneminuteastronomer.com/860/measuring-sky/

There are other ways to do this with a single elevation angle measurement, but those require additional information. The elegance of the above technique is that it's self-contained.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: New Earth on October 23, 2018, 10:04:19 AM
So they have a building at the South Pole Rab? How come google earth doesn't show it. See even they couldn't fake it. You mention multiple expeditions to south pole? Prove to me those expeditions actually occurred. It never happened.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Stash on October 23, 2018, 10:11:19 AM
So they have a building at the South Pole Rab? How come google earth doesn't show it. See even they couldn't fake it. You mention multiple expeditions to south pole? Prove to me those expeditions actually occurred. It never happened.

Google Maps does show it. I just looked:

(https://i.imgur.com/5HykjHf.png)
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Themightykabool on October 23, 2018, 10:24:35 AM
The sat images on google sat arent in real time...
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: dutchy on October 23, 2018, 02:31:37 PM
Ahhhh every single satelite can reveal my personal belongings in the backyard.
But the moment the Apollo artifacts are captured by a satelite orbiting the moon the resolution isn’t good enough, so we have to interpret some blurry pixels that present 10m each ( to small for a detailed rover) :o :o

But the magic jargon of the church of scientism can easily fix this idiocy.
And the believers think this is just the way it is....
Car in the street captured by a satelite ? Of course !!!
Apollo rover captured by a satelite ? Of course !!!  but not in any detail whatsoever...to small , wrong orbit, wrong camera....

Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Themightykabool on October 23, 2018, 02:39:51 PM
Ahhhh every single satelite can reveal my personal belongings in the backyard.
But the moment the Apollo artifacts are captured by a satelite orbiting the moon the resolution isn’t good enough, so we have to interpret some blurry pixels that present 10m each ( to small for a detailed rover) :o :o

But the magic jargon of the church of scientism can easily fix this idiocy.
And the believers think this is just the way it is....
Car in the street captured by a satelite ? Of course !!!
Apollo rover captured by a satelite ? Of course !!!  but not in any detail whatsoever...to small , wrong orbit, wrong camera....

Is it commercially viable to upgrade 50yrold equipment?
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: rabinoz on October 23, 2018, 03:44:03 PM
So they have a building at the South Pole Rab?
Yes, they have buildings and a good astronomical telescope there.
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South Pole Telescope (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pole_Telescope)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/South_pole_telescope_nov2009.jpg/220px-South_pole_telescope_nov2009.jpg)
The South Pole Telescope at the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station is constantly scanning the universe.
The South Pole Telescope (SPT) is a 10 meter (394 in) diameter telescope located at the Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station, Antarctica. The telescope is designed for observations in the microwave, millimeter-wave, and submillimeter-wave regions of the electromagnetic spectrum, with the particular design goal of measuring the faint, diffuse emission from the cosmic microwave background (CMB). The first major survey with the SPT–designed to find distant, massive, clusters of galaxies through their interaction with the CMB, with the goal of constraining the dark energy equation of state–was completed in October 2011. In early 2012, a new camera (SPTpol) was installed on the SPT with even greater sensitivity and the capability to measure the polarization of incoming light. This camera operated from 2012-2016 and was used to make unprecedentedly deep high-resolution maps of hundreds of square degrees of the Southern sky. In 2017, the third-generation camera SPT-3G was installed on the telescope, providing nearly an order-of-magnitude increase in mapping speed over SPTpol.

And more in: Seeker, Extreme Astronomy Unlocks Cosmic Secrets From the South Pole (https://www.seeker.com/south-pole-telescope-extreme-astronomy-dark-energy-cosmology-2200868930.html)

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How come google earth doesn't show it.
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See even they couldn't fake it.
Of course, they could fake it but since Google Earth is not fake, they don't fake it.

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You mention multiple expeditions to south pole?
And I gave numerous references to them. If you're too lazy to read them that's not my problem. Here read these!
South Pole (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pole)
List of Antarctic expeditions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Antarctic_expeditions)
First circumnavigation of Antarctica in a sailboat south of the 60th parallel (http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/527119-first-circumnavigation-of-antarctica-in-a-sailboat-south-of-the-60th-parallel)

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Prove to me those expeditions actually occurred.
Why bother? Prove to me that you ever exist and aren't just an AI chatbot.

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It never happened.
Just the sort of response I'd expect from "an AI chatbot" - said so.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Alpha2Omega on October 23, 2018, 05:18:49 PM
So they have a building at the South Pole Rab? How come google earth doesn't show it. See even they couldn't fake it.

I can think of several reasons but don't know if they are correct. You should be asking Google, anyway, not Rab.

If they wanted to fake it, they could. Apparently didn't see any reason to do so.

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You mention multiple expeditions to south pole? Prove to me those expeditions actually occurred. It never happened.

Trip reports exist, but those aren't proof. Go yourself. Here's a tour company (picked at random) that offers to get you there (https://www.swoop-antarctica.com/adventures/south-pole). There are others. Spoiler: it's not cheap.

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Google Maps does show it. I just looked:

(https://i.imgur.com/5HykjHf.png)

That's McMurdo, not the South Pole Station. McMurdo is about 800 miles from the geographic south pole.

Ahhhh every single satelite can reveal my personal belongings in the backyard.

Sorry to disappoint, but high-resolution Google Earth imagery is from aerial photography, not satellites. Areas covered only by satellites have much lower resolution. This is one reason why the South Pole Station may not be obvious in GE.

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But the moment the Apollo artifacts are captured by a satelite orbiting the moon the resolution isn’t good enough, so we have to interpret some blurry pixels that present 10m each ( to small for a detailed rover)

But the magic jargon of the church of scientism can easily fix this idiocy.
And the believers think this is just the way it is....
Car in the street captured by a satelite ? Of course !!!
Apollo rover captured by a satelite ? Of course !!!  but not in any detail whatsoever...to small , wrong orbit, wrong camera....

Lunar photographic mapping is from much higher above the lunar surface than typical aerial photography of earth, so even the best detailed images of landing sites aren't as good as terrestrial images of earth available from GE. If someone wanted to launch a lunar probe whose whole purpose was to image the Apollo sites, they could probably (or at least theoretically) do better, but it's not worth the cost and effort. Sorry. Besides... you'd most likely still just dismiss the results anyway.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: rabinoz on October 23, 2018, 06:21:02 PM
Ahhhh every single satelite can reveal my personal belongings in the backyard.
Incorrect! Every single satelite cannot reveal your personal belongings in the backyard!
The highest resolution weather satellite is the Elektro-L No.1 Russian weather satellite and "the images have a resolution of one kilometer per pixel"
There might be a few "spy satellites" with this sort of perfirmance:
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It appears, the largest known spy satellite has a mirror about 2.4 meters in diameter (there's no coincidence this is the size of the Hubble and the size of the space shuttle cargo bay). Now at visual wave-lengths and at 250km, this gives a resolution of 0.05 meters, or about a few inches.

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But the moment the Apollo artifacts are captured by a satelite orbiting the moon the resolution isn’t good enough, so we have to interpret some blurry pixels that present 10m each ( to small for a detailed rover) :o :o
The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter does not have a mirror anything like 2.4 meters in diameter!
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What is LROC (Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera)? (http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/about)
The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera, or LROC, is a system of three cameras mounted on the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) that capture high resolution black and white images and moderate resolution multi-spectral images of the lunar surface.
(http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/assets/NAC-67a13688b98f2f5a33e1693196549707.jpg)
LROC Narrow Angle Camera (NAC)

LROC consists of two Narrow Angle Cameras (NACs) that are designed to provide 0.5 meter-scale panchromatic images over a 5 km swath, and a Wide Angle Camera (WAC) that provides images at a scale of 100 meters/pixel in seven color bands over a 60 km swath. The Sequence and Compressor System (SCS) supports data acquisition for both cameras.
You might note (if you know what the words mean) that's its best resolution is 0.5 meter compared to 0.05 meter on the best spy satellites.
Hence the LROC gives photos like:
(http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/data/support/featured_sites/Apollo/11/M175124932R.jpg)
Apollo 11 landing site
     (http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/data/support/featured_sites/Apollo/12/M135338254R.jpg)
Apollo 12 landing site
     (http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/data/support/featured_sites/Apollo/14/M150633128L.jpg)
Apollo 14 landing site

(http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/data/support/featured_sites/Apollo/15/M111571816L.jpg)
Apollo 15 landing site
     (http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/data/support/featured_sites/Apollo/16/M152770233R.jpg)
Apollo 16 landing site
     (http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/data/support/featured_sites/Apollo/17/M134985003LR.jpg)
Apollo 17 landing site

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But the magic jargon of the church of scientism can easily fix this idiocy.
No "magic jargon of the church of scientism" is needed, just facts - something that's never bothered you much.
Of course your adherence to the false teachings of "the Church of neo-Flat Earthism" doesn't help!

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And the believers think this is just the way it is....
Car in the street captured by a satelite ? Of course !!!
Apollo rover captured by a satelite Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter? Of course !!!  but not in any detail whatsoever...to small, wrong orbit, wrong camera....
Why should NASA go to the expanse of a sending a telescope of that capability to the moon? You'd just ridicule the result as you do with everything else.

And if you ever prove the lunar missions a hoax, dutchy, what have you proven about the shape of the earth - a big fat nothing ;D!

Enjoy ;)!

Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Smoke Machine on October 23, 2018, 09:33:17 PM
New Earth, any chance you can mix in a few emojis occasionally? I honestly can't tell when you're joking or not.

I know people working in Antarctica right now as I type. They are there, and I will be there. Again, you say you believe Earth is a globe, so I don't understand any issue you may have with Antarctica?

Wise or Dutchy on the other hand, well, that might be a whole other story.

Dutchy, I wouldn't worry too much about those pics being too low quality for your liking of the Apollo 11 equipment still on the moon. I'm pretty sure when the Chinese land on the moon, they will visit that spot and provide much clearer images, or maybe even bring some equipment back to Earth for NASA.

If you sit down and do the maths, getting to the moon while complicated, wasn't impossible.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Unconvinced on October 24, 2018, 03:37:50 AM
Ahhhh every single satelite can reveal my personal belongings in the backyard.
But the moment the Apollo artifacts are captured by a satelite orbiting the moon the resolution isn’t good enough, so we have to interpret some blurry pixels that present 10m each ( to small for a detailed rover) :o :o

But the magic jargon of the church of scientism can easily fix this idiocy.
And the believers think this is just the way it is....
Car in the street captured by a satelite ? Of course !!!
Apollo rover captured by a satelite ? Of course !!!  but not in any detail whatsoever...to small , wrong orbit, wrong camera....

Yeah!  You tell him Dutchy.

The fundamental principles of optical design is all part of the conspiracy!

It’s just as ridiculous as someone taking pictures on a beach with their camera and claiming it proves the earth if flat because they don’t believe in refraction.

Like the rest of anti science brigade, flat earthers are perfectly happy with using consumer products of science and technology to tell us all how woke they are.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: WestToEastEastToWest on October 24, 2018, 09:15:42 AM
I love the dichotomy of claiming all satellite photos are faked but then pointing to the lack of detailed photos of Antarctica or the Apollo landing sites as proof neither exist.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: magellanclavichord on October 24, 2018, 03:32:09 PM
I love the dichotomy of claiming all satellite photos are faked but then pointing to the lack of detailed photos of Antarctica or the Apollo landing sites as proof neither exist.

They didn't bother to fake photos of the Amundsen station in Antarctica or the Apollo moon landing site because they want us to figure out that all the other satellite photos are fake and that the Earth is really flat. The round-Earth conspiracy was never intended to be taken seriously, but now that pretty much everyone is a globist they're afraid to admit it was all a joke to begin with, so they're putting out little hints, hoping people will figure it out. So far, this little corner of the internet is the only place where anyone has.  8)
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on October 24, 2018, 04:01:04 PM
I love the dichotomy of claiming all satellite photos are faked but then pointing to the lack of detailed photos of Antarctica or the Apollo landing sites as proof neither exist.

They didn't bother to fake photos of the Amundsen station in Antarctica or the Apollo moon landing site because they want us to figure out that all the other satellite photos are fake and that the Earth is really flat. The round-Earth conspiracy was never intended to be taken seriously, but now that pretty much everyone is a globist they're afraid to admit it was all a joke to begin with, so they're putting out little hints, hoping people will figure it out. So far, this little corner of the internet is the only place where anyone has.  8)

Right.....A conspiracy that was started over 2 millennia ago that no one figured out until recently.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: magellanclavichord on October 24, 2018, 06:14:01 PM
I love the dichotomy of claiming all satellite photos are faked but then pointing to the lack of detailed photos of Antarctica or the Apollo landing sites as proof neither exist.

They didn't bother to fake photos of the Amundsen station in Antarctica or the Apollo moon landing site because they want us to figure out that all the other satellite photos are fake and that the Earth is really flat. The round-Earth conspiracy was never intended to be taken seriously, but now that pretty much everyone is a globist they're afraid to admit it was all a joke to begin with, so they're putting out little hints, hoping people will figure it out. So far, this little corner of the internet is the only place where anyone has.  8)

Right.....A conspiracy that was started over 2 millennia ago that no one figured out until recently.

Wouldn't you get tired of perpetuating a conspiracy after two thousand years?  :o
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Smoke Machine on October 25, 2018, 02:59:35 AM
Nice use of your emojis, magelanclavichord :)
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: magellanclavichord on October 25, 2018, 06:14:34 AM
Nice use of your emojis, magelanclavichord :)

Thank you, Sunset.  :D
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on October 25, 2018, 07:15:04 AM
I love the dichotomy of claiming all satellite photos are faked but then pointing to the lack of detailed photos of Antarctica or the Apollo landing sites as proof neither exist.

They didn't bother to fake photos of the Amundsen station in Antarctica or the Apollo moon landing site because they want us to figure out that all the other satellite photos are fake and that the Earth is really flat. The round-Earth conspiracy was never intended to be taken seriously, but now that pretty much everyone is a globist they're afraid to admit it was all a joke to begin with, so they're putting out little hints, hoping people will figure it out. So far, this little corner of the internet is the only place where anyone has.  8)

Right.....A conspiracy that was started over 2 millennia ago that no one figured out until recently.

Wouldn't you get tired of perpetuating a conspiracy after two thousand years?  :o

If it were a conspiracy.
Title: Re: I am very, very sorry.
Post by: Alpha2Omega on October 25, 2018, 10:28:07 AM
Wouldn't you get tired of perpetuating a conspiracy after two thousand years?  :o
If it were a conspiracy.

Nice use of the subjunctive, NSS! ;)