The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: roy30103 on January 21, 2018, 04:02:29 PM
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I wanted to verify my understanding of the Earth with my own experiment and not use input from other people. This post is not intended to change anybody's mind. Someone else can do this same experiment and make their own conclusions. I need to make a definition of "viewing size". I am defining viewing size as the apparent size of an object as seen. An object that does not change its size will have a smaller viewing size as it moves away and becomes distant.
My question is: "Do star constellations change their viewing size as they come from the horizon and pass over head?
I selected a pair stars that rose from the north east at 6:45PM. I looked at the stars through a cardboard tube. I could not see both stars at once because the tube was too long and narrow. I kept shortening the tube to the point where I could see both stars at once. I even rotated the tube to verify that it was round and gave consistent results. At 8:45 PM the stars were higher in the sky but still just fit in my tube sight. At midnight when they were straight up I still got the same results. My conclusion is that that pair of stars kept their same viewing size throughout the night.
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I wanted to verify my understanding of the Earth with my own experiment and not use input from other people. This post is not intended to change anybody's mind. Someone else can do this same experiment and make their own conclusions. I need to make a definition of "viewing size". I am defining viewing size as the apparent size of an object as seen. An object that does not change its size will have a smaller viewing size as it moves away and becomes distant.
My question is: "Do star constellations change their viewing size as they come from the horizon and pass over head?
I selected a pair stars that rose from the north east at 6:45PM. I looked at the stars through a cardboard tube. I could not see both stars at once because the tube was too long and narrow. I kept shortening the tube to the point where I could see both stars at once. I even rotated the tube to verify that it was round and gave consistent results. At 8:45 PM the stars were higher in the sky but still just fit in my tube sight. At midnight when they were straight up I still got the same results. My conclusion is that that pair of stars kept their same viewing size throughout the night.
I am of the opinion you can utilize the term, "apparent size," and nearly every person in the forum will have the same definition.
What stars were you observing?
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Castor and Pollux
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I wanted to verify my understanding of the Earth with my own experiment and not use input from other people. This post is not intended to change anybody's mind. Someone else can do this same experiment and make their own conclusions. I need to make a definition of "viewing size". I am defining viewing size as the apparent size of an object as seen. An object that does not change its size will have a smaller viewing size as it moves away and becomes distant.
My question is: "Do star constellations change their viewing size as they come from the horizon and pass over head?
I selected a pair stars that rose from the north east at 6:45PM. I looked at the stars through a cardboard tube. I could not see both stars at once because the tube was too long and narrow. I kept shortening the tube to the point where I could see both stars at once. I even rotated the tube to verify that it was round and gave consistent results. At 8:45 PM the stars were higher in the sky but still just fit in my tube sight. At midnight when they were straight up I still got the same results. My conclusion is that that pair of stars kept their same viewing size throughout the night.
If you use more sophisticated equipment (sighting telescope with az/el mount with measuring circles, theodolite, spotting scope with reticle, etc.) you can repeatedly perform measurements of extremely high accuracy over many nights with the constellations in many different locations and orientations. Don't just rely on one set of measurements. Perform the measurements for many pair of stars over many nights and many months (even a full year).
Do it yourself without anyone else telling you what the results should be or what conclusion to draw.
After you have made these measurements, you should have an answer to your question.
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I am of the opinion you can utilize the term, "apparent size," and nearly every person in the forum will have the same definition.
What stars were you observing?
The term "apparent size" is often used in place of "angular size" or "angular spacing".
In this case, all that was claimed was that the "angular size" of the pair or "angular spacing" of the stars did not change.
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Plus if you don't specify apparent on this forum, some FE idiot will try to say you think the stars are only an inch apart or some other retarded outburst.
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I wanted to verify my understanding of the Earth with my own experiment and not use input from other people. This post is not intended to change anybody's mind. Someone else can do this same experiment and make their own conclusions. I need to make a definition of "viewing size". I am defining viewing size as the apparent size of an object as seen. An object that does not change its size will have a smaller viewing size as it moves away and becomes distant.
My question is: "Do star constellations change their viewing size as they come from the horizon and pass over head?
I selected a pair stars that rose from the north east at 6:45PM. I looked at the stars through a cardboard tube. I could not see both stars at once because the tube was too long and narrow. I kept shortening the tube to the point where I could see both stars at once. I even rotated the tube to verify that it was round and gave consistent results. At 8:45 PM the stars were higher in the sky but still just fit in my tube sight. At midnight when they were straight up I still got the same results. My conclusion is that that pair of stars kept their same viewing size throughout the night.
This is an argument that comes up a lot against FET. It crushes the model because it's not topologically possible for there to be two axes of celestial rotation and for the angular distance (which is the most correct term) between any two selected stars to remain constant when viewed from a flat earth. Flattening out the earth necessitates having to unfold the sky in order to keep the stars where they need to be seen, and it just doesn't fit easily observable evidence, such as you have provided.
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Plus if you don't specify apparent on this forum, some FE idiot will try to say you think the stars are only an inch apart or some other retarded outburst.
It's OK, you can say Jroa. You don't have to camouflage him as "some FE idiot".
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The goal of my experiment is to have no outside influence, to be inexpensive, and not complicated. I especially wanted to avoid terms and equipment from the RE astronomy community.
This experiment is relevant to someone like myself so I can make this claim: "I have personally decided the FE issue based on my own experiment and no outside influence."
I am definitely open to improvements based on the above criterion.
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My question is: "Do star constellations change their viewing size as they come from the horizon and pass over head?
The answer is “No, they do not”
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He talks about angular distance, not angular size, you minions! :)
There is no need to be very precise. In a FE scenario stars would have to change their angular distances to each other so much, that the constellations would become unrecognizable.