I recently flew on Air New Zealand flight 28 from Auckland, NZ to Houston, Texas, USA. This flight crossed the southern part of the Baja Peninsula and northern Mexico, slightly north of the great circle passing through these airports. This flight must have gone right through the middle of your "no radar" zone.
Elapsed time between wheels up and wheels down, using my wristwatch's "chrono" (stopwatch) mode, was 13h15m57s, about 8 minutes less than the predicted flight time announced at the beginning of the flight.
The outbound flight (NZ 29) a few weeks earlier was about 90 minutes longer, and we were aloft for almost exactly the announced time at the beginning of that flight according to my watch. The portion of that flight over North America was dark and mostly cloudy, so land features could not be identified once we left the Houston area.
Google earth reports the great-circle distance between the airports as 11934 km, giving the effective average ground speed as about 820 km/h for the outbound flight and 900 km/h for the return, but the actual ground speeds must be at least a little higher since the actual flight paths must be longer than the great circle path. This seems consistent with the stated cruising speed of the Boeing 787 used on this route, 567 mi/h (912 km/h), considering winds aloft, reduced speed at take-off and landing, and true distances flown.
Any questions?
Very interesting and useful work. There's a flat earth group on facebook I was in contact with a year ago attempting to do the same thing. Would you like me to introduce you? I haven't seen how far they've gotten, but there might be some room to work between each others findings.
I recently flew on Air New Zealand flight 28 from Auckland, NZ to Houston, Texas, USA. This flight crossed the southern part of the Baja Peninsula and northern Mexico, slightly north of the great circle passing through these airports. This flight must have gone right through the middle of your "no radar" zone.
Elapsed time between wheels up and wheels down, using my wristwatch's "chrono" (stopwatch) mode, was 13h15m57s, about 8 minutes less than the predicted flight time announced at the beginning of the flight.
The outbound flight (NZ 29) a few weeks earlier was about 90 minutes longer, and we were aloft for almost exactly the announced time at the beginning of that flight according to my watch. The portion of that flight over North America was dark and mostly cloudy, so land features could not be identified once we left the Houston area.
Google earth reports the great-circle distance between the airports as 11934 km, giving the effective average ground speed as about 820 km/h for the outbound flight and 900 km/h for the return, but the actual ground speeds must be at least a little higher since the actual flight paths must be longer than the great circle path. This seems consistent with the stated cruising speed of the Boeing 787 used on this route, 567 mi/h (912 km/h), considering winds aloft, reduced speed at take-off and landing, and true distances flown.
Any questions?
Of course, there is no radar zone. I'm trying to understand why pilot are going wrong path.
Now I'm thinking that pilots are first trying to arrive to the middle of path. According to them, the middle of path is a place near to mexico.
The path is equal to:
(https://i.hizliresim.com/1JyD8b.png)
Thanks for your comment.
In my oinion, aircrafts use this path instead of a line:No, it can't be.
(https://i.hizliresim.com/W7nnOY.png)
This route is about 10.000 kms and corrects the wole map
(https://i.hizliresim.com/1Jyy5N.png)
Can it be?
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Of course, there is no radar zone. I'm trying to understand why pilot are going wrong path.Perhaps you should try it without first assuming Earth is flat.
One has to wonder about that area, given the accounts we've seen concerning it.Not regarding flights which complete in a time far too short to be possible on your FE model.
I digress, and don't want this to become an Easter Island thread. Please address this concern in a new thread, if you will by politeness.
Of course, there is no radar zone. I'm trying to understand why pilot are going wrong path.
I feel the point was relevant to the discussion, but the globularist mind has severe attention issues that I have to be on constant guard against. This is likely due to him gobbling up whatever is on the tele at the time.I digress, and don't want this to become an Easter Island thread. Please address this concern in a new thread, if you will by politeness.
“I’ve raised a complete non sequitor, please don’t notice it or talk about it”
Why not just stay on topic?
Now I'm thinking that pilots are first trying to arrive to the middle of path. According to them, the middle of path is a place near to mexico.
The path is equal to:
(https://i.hizliresim.com/1JyD8b.png)
Actually, no. I arrived in Houston, Texas, not Los Angeles, California. Houston is east of San Antonio and a little east of due south of Dallas. The flight passed between Monterrey, NL, Mexico and San Antonio.
Something like the green arrow in the image below doesn't require unnecessary looping around to thread the way between those cities:
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c118/FromVegaButNotVegan/NZ28Flight_zpstejtkiad.png)