The Flat Earth Society

Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth General => Topic started by: Apokalypt on November 29, 2017, 02:17:00 PM

Title: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Apokalypt on November 29, 2017, 02:17:00 PM
Good question from Elon Musk:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/935572279693516800

Shall we start a Flat Mars Society?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Bullwinkle on November 29, 2017, 02:37:58 PM
Lazy
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Slemon on November 29, 2017, 02:41:06 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP0KdgCXUAUL_rZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on November 29, 2017, 02:44:46 PM
Good question from Elon Musk:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/935572279693516800

Shall we start a Flat Mars Society?
Someone already did: http://z4.invisionfree.com/Theflatmarssociety/index.php?act=idx

That site is long since dead, but there is also a sub-reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/FlatMarsSociety/
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: sokarul on November 29, 2017, 03:36:21 PM
I remember when kids from here started the flat mars society.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: sokarul on November 29, 2017, 03:39:41 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP0KdgCXUAUL_rZ.jpg)

He's like "Yawn. I launch rockets to the space station."
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on November 30, 2017, 09:32:11 AM
I'm about to talk to a journalist right now on this very conversation. Can you guess what I'm going to say?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: NAZA on November 30, 2017, 10:33:05 AM
I'm about to talk to a journalist right now on this very conversation. Can you guess what I'm going to say?

Would you like fries with that order?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Slemon on November 30, 2017, 10:41:00 AM
I'm about to talk to a journalist right now on this very conversation. Can you guess what I'm going to say?
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71NrROgheSL._SX522_.jpg)

Well it's certainly not round.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on November 30, 2017, 11:31:36 AM
I'm about to talk to a journalist right now on this very conversation. Can you guess what I'm going to say?
That the journalist should have his hip waders handy?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: ItsRoundIPromise on November 30, 2017, 12:09:44 PM
I'm about to talk to a journalist right now on this very conversation. Can you guess what I'm going to say?
That you're unveiling the founding of the exciting new Flat Mars Society to help people understand that Mars only looks round because the space around it is curved and using non-Euclidean geometry and fairy dust you can speculate that Mars is flat too?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Alpha2Omega on November 30, 2017, 12:27:06 PM
I'm about to talk to a journalist right now on this very conversation. Can you guess what I'm going to say?
That you're unveiling the founding of the exciting new Flat Mars Society to help people understand that Mars only looks round because the space around it is curved and using non-Euclidean geometry and fairy dust you can speculate that Mars is flat too?

That Mars is obviously a flat disk because when viewed through a telescope from earth it looks like one, and that the surface features only appear to be on the surface of a rotating sphere because of bendy space?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: rabinoz on November 30, 2017, 01:07:42 PM
I'm about to talk to a journalist right now on this very conversation. Can you guess what I'm going to say?
That the journalist should have his hip waders handy?
And a huge shovel?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on November 30, 2017, 01:35:27 PM
No, I just said they were a pain in our ass.

http://nationalpost.com/news/world/why-is-there-no-flat-mars-society
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on November 30, 2017, 01:36:12 PM
On the other hand, good job tfes.org for pointing out why Elon is a tool.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 30, 2017, 01:49:18 PM
Hey John, when are you going to talk to Michael Stevens from VSauce?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Wolvaccine on November 30, 2017, 01:59:17 PM
On the other hand, good job tfes.org for pointing out why Elon is a tool.

Elon musk is paving the way for affordable electric cars that one day may even allow for self driving (although I don't know if I trust my life with it in my lifetime!)

He was also one of the founders that created PayPal, working on 'Hyperloop' transportation that could get you from the east to west coats of the US in just over half an hour, has helped to build the worlds biggest battery power station for South Australians and also help paving the way to have houses with 'solar roofs'.

What have you done for humanity and how are you less of a tool?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: observer on November 30, 2017, 04:54:56 PM
Good question from Elon Musk:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/935572279693516800

Shall we start a Flat Mars Society?
No need, it would only work for martians
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on November 30, 2017, 05:46:29 PM
No, I just said they were a pain in our ass.
No, they were a pain in your ass.  Most of the rest of us were just fine with them.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on December 01, 2017, 07:25:34 AM
You are mistaking the Society for the forums.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: rabinoz on December 01, 2017, 01:23:27 PM
You are mistaking the Society for the forums.
Any discussion on the Flat Mars Society is highly premature.

How can any Zetetic evidence about the flatness of Mars be gathered till someone lacking that 3-D gene is actually there?

Then they look with their own eyes and claim "Mars looks flat, so Mars must be flat".
Mind you, the photos NASA send back look pretty flat to me!
(http://www.winecommonsewer.com/.a/6a00d8341cbb0453ef01676919fad9970b-500wi)
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: ER22 on December 02, 2017, 02:30:53 PM
What about a flat moon?
After all from our flat earth we only see a round disk.
Always the same side of said disk.

And the migrating, light emitting moon shrimp
Create the illusion of moon phases.

And moon light sucks heat

Who could argue with that?

Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: rabinoz on December 02, 2017, 04:26:09 PM
You are mistaking the Society for the forums.
Any discussion on the Flat Mars Society is highly premature.

How can any Zetetic evidence about the flatness of Mars be gathered till someone lacking that 3-D gene is actually there?

Then they look with their own eyes and claim "Mars looks flat, so Mars must be flat".
Mind you, the photos NASA send back look pretty flat to me!
(http://www.winecommonsewer.com/.a/6a00d8341cbb0453ef01676919fad9970b-500wi)
On examining that Mars horizon photo more closely, I suspect that Mars might be "curved" just like Earth.
That (https://mcdonalds.com.au/sites/all/themes/mcdonalds/images/logo.png) stand seems partly hidden.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on December 02, 2017, 04:32:34 PM
You are mistaking the Society for the forums.
Any discussion on the Flat Mars Society is highly premature.

How can any Zetetic evidence about the flatness of Mars be gathered till someone lacking that 3-D gene is actually there?

Then they look with their own eyes and claim "Mars looks flat, so Mars must be flat".
Mind you, the photos NASA send back look pretty flat to me!
(http://www.winecommonsewer.com/.a/6a00d8341cbb0453ef01676919fad9970b-500wi)
On examining that Mars horizon photo more closely, I suspect that Mars might be "curved" just like Earth.
That (https://mcdonalds.com.au/sites/all/themes/mcdonalds/images/logo.png) stand seems partly hidden.
It's just a perspective effect.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: rabinoz on December 02, 2017, 04:43:36 PM
On examining that Mars horizon photo more closely, I suspect that Mars might be "curved" just like Earth.
That (https://mcdonalds.com.au/sites/all/themes/mcdonalds/images/logo.png) stand seems partly hidden.
It's just a perspective effect.
Probably.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: MouseWalker on December 02, 2017, 04:54:10 PM
You are mistaking the Society for the forums.
Any discussion on the Flat Mars Society is highly premature.

How can any Zetetic evidence about the flatness of Mars be gathered till someone lacking that 3-D gene is actually there?

Then they look with their own eyes and claim "Mars looks flat, so Mars must be flat".
Mind you, the photos NASA send back look pretty flat to me!
(http://www.winecommonsewer.com/.a/6a00d8341cbb0453ef01676919fad9970b-500wi)
On examining that Mars horizon photo more closely, I suspect that Mars might be "curved" just like Earth.
That (https://mcdonalds.com.au/sites/all/themes/mcdonalds/images/logo.png) stand seems partly hidden.
It's just a perspective effect.

Obviously a Flat Mars Photoshop, conspiracy. Cut paste, get real people, if you can't see that, there is no hope for you.
And McDonald's getting to Mars before anybody else, and what is the price of a hamburger on Mars?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: rabinoz on December 02, 2017, 05:29:55 PM
Obviously a Flat Mars Photoshop, conspiracy. Cut paste, get real people, if you can't see that, there is no hope for you.
And McDonald's getting to Mars before anybody else, and what is the price of a hamburger on Mars?
Get a quote from Elon Musk on the cost/kg of transporting hamburger makings to Mars. Refrigeration should not be a problem.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on December 02, 2017, 06:32:27 PM
Obviously a Flat Mars Photoshop, conspiracy. Cut paste, get real people, if you can't see that, there is no hope for you.
And McDonald's getting to Mars before anybody else, and what is the price of a hamburger on Mars?
Get a quote from Elon Musk on the cost/kg of transporting hamburger makings to Mars. Refrigeration should not be a problem.

Not sure if he has the numbers to land meat on Mars, but he could probably give you an idea of the cost to put a Tesla Roadster into Mars orbit using a Falcon Heavy.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/12/with-bowie-playing-on-the-radio-elon-musk-plans-to-launch-his-tesla-to-mars/
Quote from: https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/936782477502246912
Payload will be my midnight cherry Tesla Roadster playing Space Oddity. Destination is Mars orbit. Will be in deep space for a billion years or so if it doesn’t blow up on ascent.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: rabinoz on December 03, 2017, 12:52:17 AM
Quote from: https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/936782477502246912
Payload will be my midnight cherry Tesla Roadster playing Space Oddity. Destination is Mars orbit. Will be in deep space for a billion years or so if it doesn’t blow up on ascent.
Why take the risk? Just dump it outside my door, I won't tell anyone it's not on Mars.

Mind you, judging by how badly I handled a Mazda MX-5, I don't know how I'd get on in a rocket like a Tesla Roadster.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Crutchwater on December 03, 2017, 04:40:56 AM
I'm about to talk to a journalist right now on this very conversation. Can you guess what I'm going to say?

Derp derp DERP derp?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: hoppy on December 03, 2017, 05:38:28 AM
I remember when kids from here started the flat mars society.
Reported for pedophelia.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on December 05, 2017, 07:54:15 AM
The pictures from mars are pure nonsense. Does anybody else remember the gopher they found in one of the shots?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on December 05, 2017, 11:50:55 AM
If people can find penis shaped rocks on earth, then why shouldn't NASA be able to find gopher shaped rocks on mars?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: rabinoz on December 05, 2017, 01:46:43 PM
The pictures from mars are pure nonsense. Does anybody else remember the gopher they found in one of the shots?
No, it's a case of how ignorant people interpret the pictures from Mars that is pure nonsense.
Quote from: BBC News
'Virgin Mary' toast fetches $28,000
 A piece of cheese on toast purportedly showing the Virgin Mary
A decade-old toasted cheese sandwich said to bear an image of the Virgin Mary has sold on the eBay auction website for $28,000.


From: 'Virgin Mary' toast fetches $28,000 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4034787.stm)
    (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40534000/jpg/_40534689_toastie-afp203.jpg)

So you've never heard of Pareidolia?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Martian_face_viking_cropped.jpg)
The face on Mars.
And who is this sitting on Mars.
(https://img.purch.com/h/1000/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5zcGFjZS5jb20vaW1hZ2VzL2kvMDAwLzAwMy8xMTYvb3JpZ2luYWwvMDgwMTI0LW1hcnMtc2FzcXVhdGNoLTAyLmpwZw==)

John, I am certain that you do not believe any of the rubbish that you post!
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Wolvaccine on December 05, 2017, 02:22:08 PM
The photos of Mars are fake. It's all shot here on Earth. Here is some evidence

(https://mackquigley.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/mars-mohave-ground-squirrel.jpg)



But do you need anything more than this gem

Here are the technicians in-between the photoshoots
(https://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/curiosity1.jpg)
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Alpha2Omega on December 05, 2017, 03:59:43 PM
The pictures from mars are pure nonsense. Does anybody else remember the gopher they found in one of the shots?

No. I do remember some people saying they thought a rock in some picture kinda sorta resembled a gopher if you imagined real hard, though.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on December 05, 2017, 07:16:03 PM
How about when they found life.... ten different times?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Alpha2Omega on December 05, 2017, 07:37:50 PM
How about when they found life.... ten different times?

When did they "find" life? Can you cite any actual unequivocal declarations?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on December 06, 2017, 10:22:35 AM
Tom Bishop, on a related note, had a wonderful thread where he debunked the mars photos.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Alpha2Omega on December 06, 2017, 10:49:44 AM
How about when they found life.... ten different times?

When did they "find" life? Can you cite any actual unequivocal declarations?
Tom Bishop, on a related note, had a wonderful thread where he debunked the mars photos.

Yeah, sure... I'll bet he did. Maybe it was even convincing to him, and you. Link?

Getting back to the previous, any progress on those citations?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: wise on December 06, 2017, 11:15:28 AM
Flat mars society means "Flat Canada Society!"

Mars seems always flat. Because, NASA is taking the Mars photos from Devon Island, Canada and Canada is flat. So Mars seem as flat.

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SYBrh1T8mSA/Vmr-VqZjssI/AAAAAAAAb5Y/Hw5X1gGE8kA/s1600/devon-island-canada-rovers.jpg)

Devon Island, Canada. (called Mars)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dt9ZdJbSt90/Vmv9km6EVmI/AAAAAAAAb6w/zhLkfwWA6nE/s1600/fake%2Bmars%2Bpicture%2B%25E2%2580%2594%2BIreland%2Bturned%2Binto%2BMars.png)

Surely, Mars (Canada) is flat!

So;

Flat mars society means "Flat Canada Society!"

I don't use the twitter but I hope somebody show him this photo and suggest "The Flat Canada Society" is the better idea than flat Mars society! (somebody should do that to this s.o.w.)
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: ItsRoundIPromise on December 06, 2017, 11:30:01 AM
So are you intentionally lying or are you just ignorant?

"The two hills can be the same because you won’t find this photo “of Mars” in the NASA rover images. It isn’t there and no one ever said it was taken on Mars. This “Mars” photo was created by Danny Wilten to demonstrate that earth locations could be made to look like Mars."
https://truestrange.com/2017/08/20/images-show-mars-rover-photos-shot-on-earth-no-heres-proof/
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on December 06, 2017, 12:21:27 PM
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dt9ZdJbSt90/Vmv9km6EVmI/AAAAAAAAb6w/zhLkfwWA6nE/s1600/fake%2Bmars%2Bpicture%2B%25E2%2580%2594%2BIreland%2Bturned%2Binto%2BMars.png)
Right, because no one would ever fake the second image in order to make NASA look bad or troll conspiracy theorists.  ::)
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Wolvaccine on December 06, 2017, 12:53:49 PM
No, but it demonstrates a good point. That is, not to believe anything you see. Had I not been shown the original, I could have easily been conned to thinking this was a photo from 'a rover 361 million km away'
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: ItsRoundIPromise on December 06, 2017, 01:01:57 PM
No, but it demonstrates a good point. That is, not to believe anything you see.
Now I'm confused.  Should I trust my 5 senses or not believe anything I see?

Is the world flat because it looks flat or should I not believe anything I see?

Could we strive for some semblance of an internally consistent message?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on December 06, 2017, 01:58:57 PM
Flat mars society means "Flat Canada Society!"

Mars seems always flat. Because, NASA is taking the Mars photos from Devon Island, Canada and Canada is flat. So Mars seem as flat.

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SYBrh1T8mSA/Vmr-VqZjssI/AAAAAAAAb5Y/Hw5X1gGE8kA/s1600/devon-island-canada-rovers.jpg)

Devon Island, Canada. (called Mars)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dt9ZdJbSt90/Vmv9km6EVmI/AAAAAAAAb6w/zhLkfwWA6nE/s1600/fake%2Bmars%2Bpicture%2B%25E2%2580%2594%2BIreland%2Bturned%2Binto%2BMars.png)

Surely, Mars (Canada) is flat!

So;

Flat mars society means "Flat Canada Society!"

I don't use the twitter but I hope somebody show him this photo and suggest "The Flat Canada Society" is the better idea than flat Mars society! (somebody should do that to this s.o.w.)
Nice job. Either the earth image is fake as these rabble rousers would have us believe and we can't trust photographic evidence, or the NASA picture is fake and we can't trust photographic evidence; especially from untrustworthy sources like the cocaine fiends at NASA.



Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Alpha2Omega on December 06, 2017, 02:52:32 PM
No, but it demonstrates a good point. That is, not to believe anything you see. Had I not been shown the original, I could have easily been conned to thinking this was a photo from 'a rover 361 million km away'

The vegetation is kind of a giveaway, but maybe you're easily conned.

How about when they found life.... ten different times?

I wonder if this is one of the ten. Along with "the gopher" (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=73003.msg1991832#msg1991832), only eight more for John or someone to pony up.

Still nothing showing scientific claims to have found life, though. I do recall some hypotheses that certain observations might possibly be evidence of previously existing life. Maybe those are what he's referring to. It's hard to tell since he seldom (if ever) provides anything more than vague allegations about stuff like this.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: rabinoz on December 06, 2017, 02:59:28 PM
Tom Bishop, on a related note, had a wonderful thread where he debunked the mars photos.
If Tom Bishop's wonderful thread debunking the Mars photos was any good, surely you would have posted a link to it!

I suppose you mean the thread with this OP?
Look at the computer screens behind this NASA scientist. The martian skies are blue!
The Real Mars Sky? (http://#ws)
Here is a video showing how NASA faked the shots of its most recent rover missions (excuse the bad music):
NASA Mars expedition fraud (http://#)
I believe the above evidence is particularly damning and demonstrates that the shots are fake and were really shot on earth in a desert somewhere.
Now that is so wonderfully informative. I guess the first video is this one:

The Real Mars Sky? Myles O'Howe
And you, Tom Bishop and Myles O'Howe all just jump to the conclusion that the video must be faked!

And like most flat-earthers you are all too blinkered to look at the real story. Look at this:

Why Does Mars Have Blue Sunsets? Seeker
Like to rethink your position yet?

The next video claims "NASA Mars expedition fraud" then shows a fabricated headline reading
NASA DISINFORMING
MARS PHOTO'S TEMPERED
If you believe that an ignoramous that could start his video with a meaningless MARS PHOTO'S TEMPERED you're even more gullible than Tom Bishop. Anyway judge for yourself:

NASA Mars expedition fraud, FreeMindSociety

Take a look at that video from 1:40 where it claims that because two colours on the sun-dial have changed the video must be Photoshopped.
Really! What do the colours green and red look like when viewed under a very reddish light?
Then the video claims that the "The blue rubbers have changed to pink on Mars". Big deal!

Yes, the whole Curiosity Rover has been "photoshopped" by moving from the light on earth to the light on Mars.

John, are you really taken in by these ignorant flat earther YouTube makers?
I would have thought that one of your undoubted intelligence would see through this sort of thing, but
I guess one can be very ignorant and still quite ignorant on many topics.

But what do others think?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: ItsRoundIPromise on December 06, 2017, 03:01:42 PM
Nice job. Either the earth image is fake as these rabble rousers would have us believe and we can't trust photographic evidence, or the NASA picture is fake and we can't trust photographic evidence; especially from untrustworthy sources like the cocaine fiends at NASA.
Or the Earth image is real, and the "NASA picture" isn't a NASA picture at all.  Like the article I linked explains. 
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on December 06, 2017, 03:44:24 PM
No, but it demonstrates a good point. That is, not to believe anything you see. Had I not been shown the original, I could have easily been conned to thinking this was a photo from 'a rover 361 million km away'
It should also demonstrate the importance of knowing the source of the image in question before passing judgement.  If you can't trace the image's origin back to a known NASA source, then you should be wary of any claims of deception.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Wolvaccine on December 06, 2017, 04:10:59 PM
No, but it demonstrates a good point. That is, not to believe anything you see. Had I not been shown the original, I could have easily been conned to thinking this was a photo from 'a rover 361 million km away'
It should also demonstrate the importance of knowing the source of the image in question before passing judgement.  If you can't trace the image's origin back to a known NASA source, then you should be wary of any claims of deception.

But for those that believe in conspiracies, having NASA as a source is all the evidence they need to believe it has been faked
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: rabinoz on December 06, 2017, 04:23:29 PM
No, but it demonstrates a good point. That is, not to believe anything you see. Had I not been shown the original, I could have easily been conned to thinking this was a photo from 'a rover 361 million km away'
It should also demonstrate the importance of knowing the source of the image in question before passing judgement.  If you can't trace the image's origin back to a known NASA source, then you should be wary of any claims of deception.

But for those that believe in conspiracies, having NASA as a source is all the evidence they need to believe it has been faked
And read this to see what ignorant and biased conspiritards can be conned into believing:
Flat Mars Society « Reply #47 on: Today at 07:59:28 AM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=73003.msg1992313#msg1992313)

Those ignorant of a few facts rave on about a blue sky on Mars proving a faked photo! Mars does have blue skies!
(https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/images/largesize/PIA19400_hires.jpg)
NASA's Curiosity Mars rover recorded this view of the sun setting at the close
of the mission's 956th Martian day, or sol (April 15, 2015), from the rover's location in Gale Crater.


This was the first sunset observed in color by Curiosity.
The image comes from the left-eye camera of the rover's Mast Camera (Mastcam).
The color has been calibrated and white-balanced to remove camera artifacts.
Mastcam sees color very similarly to what human eyes see,
although it is actually a little less sensitive to blue than people are.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on December 06, 2017, 05:39:41 PM
No, but it demonstrates a good point. That is, not to believe anything you see. Had I not been shown the original, I could have easily been conned to thinking this was a photo from 'a rover 361 million km away'
It should also demonstrate the importance of knowing the source of the image in question before passing judgement.  If you can't trace the image's origin back to a known NASA source, then you should be wary of any claims of deception.

But for those that believe in conspiracies, having NASA as a source is all the evidence they need to believe it has been faked
Oh, I know full well that conspiracy theorists think that all NASA images are faked.  All I'm saying is that you need to be able to prove that it's NASA doing the faking and not someone trolling the conspiracy theorists.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on December 07, 2017, 12:28:42 PM
Actually, NASA needs to prove they are legitimate pictures. Until they can do this, we have no reason to put any weight into them at all.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on December 07, 2017, 01:18:35 PM
Perhaps FE'ers should send their own lander to mars to see how those real pictures compare to those alleged fakes from NASA.  It's the only way to be sure.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Wolvaccine on December 07, 2017, 01:43:29 PM
Perhaps FE'ers should send their own lander to mars to see how those real pictures compare to those alleged fakes from NASA.  It's the only way to be sure.

A flat earther recently put a lot of effort building a personal rocket that wasn't even to go very high and was shut down by the government recently. Also the US has monopolised space and you need to get clearance through them first which is unlikely if your reasons for going would conflict with their agenda. So why would people invest billions of dollars, only to be shut down for 'reasons' later on? North Korea was heavily sanctioned for simply putting their own satellite in orbit. Apparently, other sovereign nations need 'permission' from the almighty US to do anything
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on December 07, 2017, 01:47:21 PM
Perhaps FE'ers should send their own lander to mars to see how those real pictures compare to those alleged fakes from NASA.  It's the only way to be sure.
Unfortunately, we don't have equal access to the funds they siphon off the working class from their ivory tower.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Alpha2Omega on December 07, 2017, 02:11:52 PM
Perhaps FE'ers should send their own lander to mars to see how those real pictures compare to those alleged fakes from NASA.  It's the only way to be sure.
Unfortunately, we don't have equal access to the funds they siphon off the working class from their ivory tower.

Fortunately, you think Mars is much closer than NASA says it is, so you shouldn't need near as much money as they say it takes! The rapper B.o.B. has already raised almost $7,000 (https://www.gofundme.com/showBoBthecurve) (in only 2 1/2 months!) toward launching weather balloons and satellites. Maybe see if you can convince him to repurpose one of those satellites to land on Mars if you kick in a few bucks!

Well, at least some of you think Mars is close by. Others might not agree, which could be a problem since it's hard to go where you want to go if you're not sure where it is.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on December 07, 2017, 02:38:04 PM
Perhaps FE'ers should send their own lander to mars to see how those real pictures compare to those alleged fakes from NASA.  It's the only way to be sure.
Unfortunately, we don't have equal access to the funds they siphon off the working class from their ivory tower.
So that means that you can't honestly say that NASA's pictures of mars are fake because you don't know what real pictures from mars should look like.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on December 07, 2017, 07:48:34 PM
The filming sites are well known: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_analogue_sites
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: ItsRoundIPromise on December 07, 2017, 08:09:48 PM
The filming sites are well known: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_analogue_sites
It should be pretty easy for an enterprising conspiracy buster to just go to the sites and recreate all of the Martian shots to demonstrate the forgeries.  If NASA's "Mars" pictures were all taken at those sites, then other pictures taken there should match the terrain features of the Martian photos.  I believe that would be the nail in the coffin of the NASA conspiracy.

What would it indicate if none of the Martian photos were able to be duplicated on Earth?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on December 08, 2017, 08:42:04 AM
Why would we? That work has been done. We all know where the sites are, what they look like, and so on. Obviously, we don't have knowledge of every single filming site they use, as they only provide a splattering of them when they get caught and have to explain to the farmers why there are a bunch of astronauts filming nonsense out in the desert.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: ItsRoundIPromise on December 08, 2017, 09:06:54 AM
Why would we? That work has been done.
*citation needed.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on December 08, 2017, 09:50:06 AM
Why would we? That work has been done. We all know where the sites are, what they look like, and so on.
But have you compared the known sites to the original pictures on NASA's site that they claim are from mars (or anywhere else)?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on December 08, 2017, 10:04:25 AM
If it pleases you, then next time I am within distance to one I'll be happy to compare. Either way, as noted earlier, we can't trust hte photographic evidence so the entire point is moot.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on December 08, 2017, 10:08:51 AM
If it pleases you, then next time I am within distance to one I'll be happy to compare. Either way, as noted earlier, we can't trust hte photographic evidence so the entire point is moot.
So you're saying that you can't trust the photos because you haven't verified that they were taken on earth?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on December 08, 2017, 10:11:55 AM
Here you go again, markjo.

Quote
Nice job. Either the earth image is fake as these rabble rousers would have us believe and we can't trust photographic evidence, or the NASA picture is fake and we can't trust photographic evidence; especially from untrustworthy sources like the cocaine fiends at NASA.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on December 08, 2017, 10:26:45 AM
Here you go again, markjo.

Quote
Nice job. Either the earth image is fake as these rabble rousers would have us believe and we can't trust photographic evidence, or the NASA picture is fake and we can't trust photographic evidence; especially from untrustworthy sources like the cocaine fiends at NASA.

To which I say:
All I'm saying is that you need to be able to prove that it's NASA doing the faking and not someone trolling the conspiracy theorists.

Why do you think that it's unreasonable to consider the possibility that you're being trolled by a fake fake?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on December 08, 2017, 10:31:35 AM
I did consider that possibility.

Here, I'll help you read:
Quote
Nice job. Either the earth image is fake as these rabble rousers would have us believe and we can't trust photographic evidence, or the NASA picture is fake and we can't trust photographic evidence; especially from untrustworthy sources like the cocaine fiends at NASA.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: hoppy on December 08, 2017, 10:44:45 AM
Here you go again, markjo.

Quote
Nice job. Either the earth image is fake as these rabble rousers would have us believe and we can't trust photographic evidence, or the NASA picture is fake and we can't trust photographic evidence; especially from untrustworthy sources like the cocaine fiends at NASA.
Markjo'd
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: ItsRoundIPromise on December 08, 2017, 11:29:37 AM
I did consider that possibility.

Here, I'll help you read:
Quote
Nice job. Either the earth image is fake as these rabble rousers would have us believe and we can't trust photographic evidence, or the NASA picture is fake and we can't trust photographic evidence; especially from untrustworthy sources like the cocaine fiends at NASA.
You set up a false equivalence with an either/or that isn't comprehensive.  You've listed only two possibilities, and neither one covers the actual facts.   

The actual fact is the earth image is real, and there is no NASA picture.  The "NASA" picture is a photoshop alteration of the same Earth image by a private citizen to demonstrate his opinion that faking Mars photos from Earth locations is easy.  These two photos have literally nothing to do with NASA and it's either dishonest or ignorant to keep talking about them like they do. 

Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on December 08, 2017, 12:15:40 PM
I did consider that possibility.

Here, I'll help you read:
Quote
Nice job. Either the earth image is fake as these rabble rousers would have us believe and we can't trust photographic evidence, or the NASA picture is fake and we can't trust photographic evidence; especially from untrustworthy sources like the cocaine fiends at NASA.
And I'm saying that you should try to figure out whether or not the earth image was faked by rabble rousers before you declare NASA to be an untrustworthy source.  It seems to me that you wouldn't be willing to accept any photos of the surface of mars to be trustworthy, even if you went there and took them yourself.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on December 08, 2017, 01:10:10 PM
I did consider that possibility.

Here, I'll help you read:
Quote
Nice job. Either the earth image is fake as these rabble rousers would have us believe and we can't trust photographic evidence, or the NASA picture is fake and we can't trust photographic evidence; especially from untrustworthy sources like the cocaine fiends at NASA.
And I'm saying that you should try to figure out whether or not the earth image was faked by rabble rousers before you declare NASA to be an untrustworthy source.  It seems to me that you wouldn't be willing to accept any photos of the surface of mars to be trustworthy, even if you went there and took them yourself.
Its irrelevant if the earth image is faked or if the nasa image is faked. Either way, we know we can't accept photographic evidence. Of course you know this, from being a member of this site for about a decade .
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on December 08, 2017, 02:26:13 PM
I did consider that possibility.

Here, I'll help you read:
Quote
Nice job. Either the earth image is fake as these rabble rousers would have us believe and we can't trust photographic evidence, or the NASA picture is fake and we can't trust photographic evidence; especially from untrustworthy sources like the cocaine fiends at NASA.
And I'm saying that you should try to figure out whether or not the earth image was faked by rabble rousers before you declare NASA to be an untrustworthy source.  It seems to me that you wouldn't be willing to accept any photos of the surface of mars to be trustworthy, even if you went there and took them yourself.
Its irrelevant if the earth image is faked or if the nasa image is faked. Either way, we know we can't accept photographic evidence. Of course you know this, from being a member of this site for about a decade .
So you're saying that since one photo of mars with a questionable origin has been shown to be fake, then no picture of mars can ever be trusted regardless of origin?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on December 08, 2017, 02:34:30 PM
I'm saying that you can't trust photographic evidence.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: ItsRoundIPromise on December 08, 2017, 02:39:27 PM
I did consider that possibility.

Here, I'll help you read:
Quote
Nice job. Either the earth image is fake as these rabble rousers would have us believe and we can't trust photographic evidence, or the NASA picture is fake and we can't trust photographic evidence; especially from untrustworthy sources like the cocaine fiends at NASA.
And I'm saying that you should try to figure out whether or not the earth image was faked by rabble rousers before you declare NASA to be an untrustworthy source.  It seems to me that you wouldn't be willing to accept any photos of the surface of mars to be trustworthy, even if you went there and took them yourself.
Its irrelevant if the earth image is faked or if the nasa image is faked. Either way, we know we can't accept photographic evidence. Of course you know this, from being a member of this site for about a decade .
So you're saying that since one photo of mars with a questionable origin has been shown to be fake, then no picture of mars can ever be trusted regardless of origin?
Can we all acknowledge that there IS no picture of Mars being discussed?  It's a picture of Earth photo shopped to look generally like Mars, and the person who altered the Earth photo never said it was anything but a photo of Earth.  Don't let John argue as though this photo in any way compromises the integrity of the Martian photo library.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on December 08, 2017, 02:49:41 PM
I'm saying that you can't trust photographic evidence.
Then what evidence can you trust?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on December 08, 2017, 05:08:38 PM
I did consider that possibility.

Here, I'll help you read:
Quote
Nice job. Either the earth image is fake as these rabble rousers would have us believe and we can't trust photographic evidence, or the NASA picture is fake and we can't trust photographic evidence; especially from untrustworthy sources like the cocaine fiends at NASA.
And I'm saying that you should try to figure out whether or not the earth image was faked by rabble rousers before you declare NASA to be an untrustworthy source.  It seems to me that you wouldn't be willing to accept any photos of the surface of mars to be trustworthy, even if you went there and took them yourself.
Its irrelevant if the earth image is faked or if the nasa image is faked. Either way, we know we can't accept photographic evidence. Of course you know this, from being a member of this site for about a decade .
So you're saying that since one photo of mars with a questionable origin has been shown to be fake, then no picture of mars can ever be trusted regardless of origin?
Can we all acknowledge that there IS no picture of Mars being discussed?  It's a picture of Earth photo shopped to look generally like Mars, and the person who altered the Earth photo never said it was anything but a photo of Earth.  Don't let John argue as though this photo in any way compromises the integrity of the Martian photo library.
I know we can agree to that, for the purposes of discussion. The sad fact is the organization that we pay our taxes to so they can show us what the world is through use of their discipline have made it impossible to verify any picture of mars, or any of the moon-landing footage. Its a disgrace. Might as well be buying snakeskin oil.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on December 08, 2017, 05:44:59 PM
The sad fact is the organization that we pay our taxes to so they can show us what the world is through use of their discipline have made it impossible to verify any picture of mars, or any of the moon-landing footage.
How would you suggest that NASA make it possible for you to verify pictures of mars or the moon-landing footage?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on December 08, 2017, 05:46:21 PM
I would suggest they not have thrown out the moon landing footage, to start.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on December 08, 2017, 05:50:38 PM
What about all of the moon landing footage that didn't get thrown out?  Doesn't that count for anything?  You do realize that there was more than one moon landing, don't you?

Besides, we're talking about mars, so let's try not to drift too far off topic.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on December 08, 2017, 05:55:42 PM
What they did save has been torn apart for the better half a century by the conspiracy camp, which has shown beyond any doubt that all that we've been shown has been complete jabberwocky. I don't realize there was any moon-landing, because its all a farce.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: rabinoz on December 08, 2017, 10:22:00 PM
What they did save has been torn apart for the better half a century by the conspiracy camp, which has shown beyond any doubt that all that we've been shown has been complete jabberwocky. I don't realize there was any moon-landing, because its all a farce.
Really?
Have you ever looked objectively into the other side of this issue? You might start with, Clavius Moon Base (http://www.clavius.org/).

Then if you are into YouTube videos you might look at debunking the moon hoaxes on the following YouTube channels:
Astrobrant2, Yes, We did! (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgWXC-yoy3fcaDYW_5Sh8kg)
Phil Webb, MoonFaker: Exhibit D: Critique (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6E14DF880C26441F)
And still, there are many more, though some are a bit scathing in their attacks on the FE.

And a discussion by Scott Sutherland:
Celebrate the Moon landing with 10 debunked ‘Moon Hoax’ arguments (https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/geekquinox/celebrate-moon-landing-10-debunked-moon-hoax-arguments-211040304.html)

Still, I won't hold my breath, your whole life is so wrapped if the idea of a flat earth, that you would never look at the other side.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: hoppy on December 08, 2017, 10:30:39 PM
What they did save has been torn apart for the better half a century by the conspiracy camp, which has shown beyond any doubt that all that we've been shown has been complete jabberwocky. I don't realize there was any moon-landing, because its all a farce.
Really?
Have you ever looked objectively into the other side of this issue? You might start with, Clavius Moon Base (http://www.clavius.org/).

Then if you are into YouTube videos you might look at debunking the moon hoaxes on the following YouTube channels:
Astrobrant2, Yes, We did! (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgWXC-yoy3fcaDYW_5Sh8kg)
Phil Webb, MoonFaker: Exhibit D: Critique (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6E14DF880C26441F)
And still, there are many more, though some are a bit scathing in their attacks on the FE.

And a discussion by Scott Sutherland:
Celebrate the Moon landing with 10 debunked ‘Moon Hoax’ arguments (https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/geekquinox/celebrate-moon-landing-10-debunked-moon-hoax-arguments-211040304.html)

Still, I won't hold my breath, your whole life is so wrapped if the idea of a flat earth, that you would never look at the other side.
At least JD has a reason to be here on the Flat Earth Society. What is your reason rab?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: rabinoz on December 08, 2017, 11:15:53 PM
At least JD has a reason to be here on the Flat Earth Society. What is your reason rab?
To do my best to stop those not yet fully infected with the Flat Earth Delusion that there is another side to your silly claims.

To support your fantasy,
you have to claim the many many ordinary people have to be lying about the shape of the earth and have been for millenia.

If that's the sort of person that you, John Davis and others are, fine by me, but I'll do my best to show that there is a better, more honest way.

Thank you for this opportunity to state my thoughts.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on December 10, 2017, 02:47:44 PM
You are the only one lying, as there is no reason we could not simply be mistaken about the shape of the earth. The popularity of error is almost universal.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Nightsky on December 10, 2017, 02:59:53 PM
You are the only one lying, as there is no reason we could not simply be mistaken about the shape of the earth. The popularity of error is almost universal.

Could you present some facts to support your statement.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Nightsky on December 10, 2017, 03:03:07 PM
I'm saying that you can't trust photographic evidence.

Are you saying no photographic evidence is admissible? On what grounds do you make this claim?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Nightsky on December 10, 2017, 03:05:14 PM
The pictures from mars are pure nonsense. Does anybody else remember the gopher they found in one of the shots?
Could you provide a link.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Nightsky on December 10, 2017, 03:08:01 PM
How about when they found life.... ten different times?
Not true.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on December 10, 2017, 03:09:49 PM
Aside from the post modern arguments regarding down hyperrealism, the only person or people the evidence could possibly be valid to are those that were among those that took the photograph. Even then, the way the mind works, it would be impossible to verify that photograph was in actuality representative of the reality. You'd be surprised how often people just believe what they want to. I further evidenced it above, and you can also do a search here for tomes of results on photographic evidence that will collaborate this belief.

How about when they found life.... ten different times?
Not true.
Yes, that was the point. Complete fabrications every time, starting with the one that came back with the moon landings.

The pictures from mars are pure nonsense. Does anybody else remember the gopher they found in one of the shots?
Could you provide a link.
http://bfy.tw/FUmn
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Crutchwater on December 10, 2017, 03:32:31 PM
A gopher shaped rock on Mars?

A man siting on Mars?

A giant face on Mars?

Virgin Mary in your grilled cheese?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on December 10, 2017, 03:38:35 PM
When I see an actual picture of a globe earth, maybe then photographic evidence will be admissible. Why can't we be supplied with at least that?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Crutchwater on December 10, 2017, 03:39:59 PM
When I see an actual picture of a globe earth, maybe then photographic evidence will be admissible. Why can't we be supplied with at least that?

Why do you think the thousands of photographs already available are not "actual".?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Wolvaccine on December 10, 2017, 05:44:09 PM
When I see an actual picture of a globe earth, maybe then photographic evidence will be admissible. Why can't we be supplied with at least that?

Here is one taken from the Himwari 8 satellite. Don't worry. It's not from NASA

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/02/02/01/30CB49D100000578-3427475-image-a-21_1454376012067.jpg)

Ok, so now that the picture of the globe earth for you is out of the way.....
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Slemon on December 10, 2017, 05:55:20 PM
When I see an actual picture of a globe earth, maybe then photographic evidence will be admissible. Why can't we be supplied with at least that?

An actual picture of a globe? Easy, you could probably even get one yourself.

(https://s7d9.scene7.com/is/image/NationalGeographic/1074657)
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Alpha2Omega on December 10, 2017, 06:04:00 PM
The pictures from mars are pure nonsense. Does anybody else remember the gopher they found in one of the shots?
Could you provide a link.
http://bfy.tw/FUmn

The first hit returned by this lmgtfy link is:

Conspiracy theorists discover SQUIRREL living on Mars | Weird ...

The next few hits variously refer to it as a rat or gopher.

"They" are Conspiracy theorists, not NASA. "They" saw a rock in a picture that they want to think looks kinda like a gopher? Or was it a squirrel? Or a rat? It's a rock.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Wolvaccine on December 10, 2017, 06:42:44 PM
Maybe its a chameleon. It just happen to look like a rock. Maybe the rocks themselves are alive. It's another planet. Who are you to say what say what life can or cant be.

Actually, in all seriousness, As I occupy 4 dimensions and time for me is tangible and not linear, I can guarantee you that life exists on Mars. Give it a billion more of your years and Mars will be in the new Goldilocks zone as Venus once was, sprawling with life. Give it 5 billion more years and the moons of Neptune will be quite balmy and you can even holiday on Pluto for a lot of it's orbit. Man kind will simply have to hop, skip and jump to more distant planets as the suns luminosity gets brighter and brighter and what you believe is the goldilocks zone is constantly shifted outward

Attempts to drag the Earths orbit further outward utilising asteroids was working fine until a miscalculation caused the 180km rock to plunge right on top of what used to be the Trump Towers. This happened when someone sprayed graffiti  'MAGA' in white on the asteroid causing its spin to be ever so slightly effected when the sun hit the white paint. The resulting destruction wiped out the entire planet. Billions of people lost in an instant and only a small colony on Mars at the time was left to restart the human race. It was good we had managed to settle on the moons of Jupiter before one of Mars moons 'Phobos', came crashing down wiping out 90% of its population as well. Attempts to stablise its orbit had failed. The only thing that saved us from a complete 100% destruction of the population was because we drilled a hole in it 'Armageddon style' and detonated a multi gigaton nuke that instead fragmented the moon into many smaller pieces. However this rained radioactive rocks all over the Martian surface and left a radioactive ring around the planet. Only those deep underground survived, but no body on Mars would ever leave it again.

Due to the radiation from Jupiter and the much lower gravity and the destruction of the Mars outpost, not having all the technology on hand to remedy these challenges, humanity evolved into creatures much different than what you would recognise now. However, there are a few space faring 'generational' ships out there. So humanity is diverging much differently depending on the settlement.

I wont bore you with the details about all the other star systems we ended up colonising on. The story is much the same for each star system we settle.

We eventually settle into an A.I race however when the universe enters the 'dark era' where there is nothing but black holes. Our homeworlds are just lifeless planetoids orbiting these black holes collecting the Hawking radiation they emit, however in our simulated worlds we live just as you live right now. In fact, you would not be able to tell if you were actually living in such a simulation right now. Even I do not know. We could all be simulations inside simulations to infinity. This could be the nature of our existence. The actual truth of the matter is. Nothing is as it seems.

Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Nightsky on December 10, 2017, 09:26:38 PM
Aside from the post modern arguments regarding down hyperrealism, the only person or people the evidence could possibly be valid to are those that were among those that took the photograph. Even then, the way the mind works, it would be impossible to verify that photograph was in actuality representative of the reality. You'd be surprised how often people just believe what they want to. I further evidenced it above, and you can also do a search here for tomes of results on photographic evidence that will collaborate this belief.

How about when they found life.... ten different times?
Not true.
Yes, that was the point. Complete fabrications every time, starting with the one that came back with the moon landings.

The pictures from mars are pure nonsense. Does anybody else remember the gopher they found in one of the shots?
Could you provide a link.
http://bfy.tw/FUmn

You have a knack for distorting reality. There was indeed a claim from the Viking lander that evidence of life, not life itself, had been discovered on Mars, but on closer examination of the evidence the idea was rejected.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_lander_biological_experiments
But funnily that how science works. There was one other claim, again rejected on farther examination but that was from a meteor discovered in Antartica that had Martian origins. I must have missed the other eight times claimed by you, and you have the nerve to call other people liars. Why not just stick to the facts?
https://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/nasa1.html
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: rabinoz on December 10, 2017, 09:44:58 PM
When I see an actual picture of a globe earth, maybe then photographic evidence will be admissible. Why can't we be supplied with at least that?
And who will decide if this is an "actual picture of a globe earth" - You?

So, here is an "actual picture of a globe earth" taken on a real film camera by a real person.
What objective test are you going to apply to prove whether or not it is genuine?
(https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_feature/public/images/135918main_bm1_high.jpg?itok=2I8-uSUB)
View of the Earth as seen by the Apollo 17 crew -- astronaut Eugene A. Cernan, commander;
astronaut Ronald E. Evans, command module pilot; and scientist-astronaut Harrison H. Schmitt,
lunar module pilot -- traveling toward the moon. This translunar coast photograph extends
from the Mediterranean Sea area to the Antarctica South polar ice cap.
This is the first time the Apollo trajectory made it possible to photograph the South polar ice cap.
Note the heavy cloud cover in the Southern Hemisphere.
Almost the entire coastline of Africa is clearly visible.
The Arabian Peninsula can be seen at the Northeastern edge of Africa.
The large island off the coast of Africa is the Malagasy Republic.
The Asian mainland is on the horizon toward the Northeast.

Image Credit: NASA
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Username on December 11, 2017, 04:52:18 AM
When I see an actual picture of a globe earth, maybe then photographic evidence will be admissible. Why can't we be supplied with at least that?

Here is one taken from the Himwari 8 satellite. Don't worry. It's not from NASA

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/02/02/01/30CB49D100000578-3427475-image-a-21_1454376012067.jpg)

Ok, so now that the picture of the globe earth for you is out of the way.....
That looks legitimate to you? Let alone not stitched together? I'm glad to see imagination is live and well.

More of that nonsense:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/10/science/An-Image-of-Earth-Every-Ten-Minutes.html
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Crutchwater on December 11, 2017, 05:14:08 AM
John, that is one single image, not a composite.

What makes it look not legitimate to you?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: totallackey on December 11, 2017, 09:28:19 AM
At least JD has a reason to be here on the Flat Earth Society. What is your reason rab?
To do my best to stop those not yet fully infected with the Flat Earth Delusion that there is another side to your silly claims.
Don Quixote.

To support your fantasy,
you have to claim the many many ordinary people have to be lying about the shape of the earth and have been for millenia.
Let us examine this claim made by number one RE-tard Geoff, for just a sec.

"...many, many ordinary people..."

I think if I read this argument again, I will hurl in the general direction of the penguin.

First, those many, many people probably have never made a firm statement one way or the other concerning their views on the shape of the Earth. As a matter of fact, I would venture a guess that out of the billions who have lived/died/currently alive, less than 10 percent have made their thoughts known.

Second, those people who have made their thoughts known have been like most RE-tards here...making a general statement about they believe to be true, using talking points just as any political hack would. 

If that's the sort of person that you, John Davis and others are, fine by me, but I'll do my best to show that there is a better, more honest way.

Thank you for this opportunity to state my thoughts.
So, you, despite your delusions of grandeur:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQJhBYV2X2oHgVYJFCc03OHhdiayTdmj7xvdXwtIDIJnHZNSghG)
are indeed, tilting at windmills.

Think..

RE-tard named Rab believes everyone here to be a mental deficient, yet maintains a nearly 24/7 presence to battle these mental deficients...

Who is the mental deficient?

LOL!!!
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: totallackey on December 11, 2017, 09:44:05 AM
John, that is one single image, not a composite.

What makes it look not legitimate to you?
Horse shit.

Every single "whole Earth," image supplied from space (except those purported from Apollo) have been supplied from a digital scanning/imaging device, even Himawari.

Himawari cannot even take a single "point and shoot," encapsulating the entirety of the Japanes Islands, let alone the whole Earth.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on December 11, 2017, 10:36:11 AM
John, that is one single image, not a composite.

What makes it look not legitimate to you?
Horse shit.

Every single "whole Earth," image supplied from space (except those purported from Apollo) have been supplied from a digital scanning/imaging device, even Himawari.
Are you saying that every single digital image from your phone's camera is a composite image?  Well, I suppose that's true if you're pedantic enough to assert that all digital images are composites of many individual pixel sized images scanned from CCD or CMOS imaging sensors.

Himawari cannot even take a single "point and shoot," encapsulating the entirety of the Japanes Islands, let alone the whole Earth.
Why do you say that?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Alpha2Omega on December 11, 2017, 10:40:37 AM
John, that is one single image, not a composite.

What makes it look not legitimate to you?
Horse shit.

Every single "whole Earth," image supplied from space (except those purported from Apollo) have been supplied from a digital scanning/imaging device, even Himawari.

Even if this were true, so what?

Until recently, all video images were scanned. Were video images not to be trusted simply because they're scanned? Are they more believable now?

And, there still are all those pictures from Apollo on film. *Click*

Quote
Himawari cannot even take a single "point and shoot," encapsulating the entirety of the Japanes Islands, let alone the whole Earth.

Again, so what?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Wolvaccine on December 11, 2017, 12:15:53 PM
John, that is one single image, not a composite.

What makes it look not legitimate to you?
Horse shit.

Every single "whole Earth," image supplied from space (except those purported from Apollo) have been supplied from a digital scanning/imaging device, even Himawari.
Are you saying that every single digital image from your phone's camera is a composite image?  Well, I suppose that's true if you're pedantic enough to assert that all digital images are composites of many individual pixel sized images scanned from CCD or CMOS imaging sensors.

Himawari cannot even take a single "point and shoot," encapsulating the entirety of the Japanes Islands, let alone the whole Earth.
Why do you say that?


And who designed that imaging sensor????

NASA!!  :P  https://www.nasa.gov/offices/oct/40-years-of-nasa-spinoff/digital-image-sensors


The plot thickens....
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on December 11, 2017, 12:58:12 PM
John, that is one single image, not a composite.

What makes it look not legitimate to you?
Horse shit.

Every single "whole Earth," image supplied from space (except those purported from Apollo) have been supplied from a digital scanning/imaging device, even Himawari.
Are you saying that every single digital image from your phone's camera is a composite image?  Well, I suppose that's true if you're pedantic enough to assert that all digital images are composites of many individual pixel sized images scanned from CCD or CMOS imaging sensors.

Himawari cannot even take a single "point and shoot," encapsulating the entirety of the Japanes Islands, let alone the whole Earth.
Why do you say that?


And who designed that imaging sensor????

NASA!!  :P  https://www.nasa.gov/offices/oct/40-years-of-nasa-spinoff/digital-image-sensors


The plot thickens....
Sorry, but AT&T's Bell Labs started developing CCD imaging sensors in the late 1960s, long before NASA started working on CMOS imaging sensors in the 1990s.
http://www.forzasilicon.com/history-of-digital-imaging/
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Alpha2Omega on December 11, 2017, 01:04:36 PM
John, that is one single image, not a composite.

What makes it look not legitimate to you?
Horse shit.

Every single "whole Earth," image supplied from space (except those purported from Apollo) have been supplied from a digital scanning/imaging device, even Himawari.
Are you saying that every single digital image from your phone's camera is a composite image?  Well, I suppose that's true if you're pedantic enough to assert that all digital images are composites of many individual pixel sized images scanned from CCD or CMOS imaging sensors.

Himawari cannot even take a single "point and shoot," encapsulating the entirety of the Japanes Islands, let alone the whole Earth.
Why do you say that?


And who designed that imaging sensor????

Exelis Geospatial Systems (now Harris Space & Intelligence Systems). (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himawari_8#Instruments)

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NASA!!  :P  <irrelevant link>

Nope.
 
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The plot thickens....

No, it doesn't...
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: Wolvaccine on December 11, 2017, 01:07:47 PM
John, that is one single image, not a composite.

What makes it look not legitimate to you?
Horse shit.

Every single "whole Earth," image supplied from space (except those purported from Apollo) have been supplied from a digital scanning/imaging device, even Himawari.
Are you saying that every single digital image from your phone's camera is a composite image?  Well, I suppose that's true if you're pedantic enough to assert that all digital images are composites of many individual pixel sized images scanned from CCD or CMOS imaging sensors.

Himawari cannot even take a single "point and shoot," encapsulating the entirety of the Japanes Islands, let alone the whole Earth.
Why do you say that?


And who designed that imaging sensor????

NASA!!  :P  https://www.nasa.gov/offices/oct/40-years-of-nasa-spinoff/digital-image-sensors


The plot thickens....
Sorry, but AT&T's Bell Labs started developing CCD imaging sensors in the late 1960s, long before NASA started working on CMOS imaging sensors in the 1990s.
http://www.forzasilicon.com/history-of-digital-imaging/

I think the Himwari satellite utilises NASA imaging sensors, as does all modern phones or anything digital these days

Or are our phones and modern satellites still using technology from the 1960s?
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: totallackey on December 12, 2017, 04:48:38 AM
John, that is one single image, not a composite.

What makes it look not legitimate to you?
Horse shit.

Every single "whole Earth," image supplied from space (except those purported from Apollo) have been supplied from a digital scanning/imaging device, even Himawari.
Are you saying that every single digital image from your phone's camera is a composite image?  Well, I suppose that's true if you're pedantic enough to assert that all digital images are composites of many individual pixel sized images scanned from CCD or CMOS imaging sensors.

Himawari cannot even take a single "point and shoot," encapsulating the entirety of the Japanes Islands, let alone the whole Earth.
Why do you say that?
Well, probably because its true.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: totallackey on December 12, 2017, 04:55:13 AM
John, that is one single image, not a composite.

What makes it look not legitimate to you?
Horse shit.

Every single "whole Earth," image supplied from space (except those purported from Apollo) have been supplied from a digital scanning/imaging device, even Himawari.

Even if this were true, so what?

Until recently, all video images were scanned. Were video images not to be trusted simply because they're scanned? Are they more believable now?

And, there still are all those pictures from Apollo on film. *Click*

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Himawari cannot even take a single "point and shoot," encapsulating the entirety of the Japanes Islands, let alone the whole Earth.

Again, so what?
Photographic images purported to be from Apollo...

More than likely just elaborate paintings.

As were a vast majority of other solar system/intergalactic/interstellar images produced by NASA in the 60's and 70's.

Digital scanning is not performed as a single scan.

Every full image claimed to be released from Himawari or any other "satellite," is a composite of scans.
Title: Re: Flat Mars Society
Post by: markjo on December 12, 2017, 06:20:21 AM
Every full image claimed to be released from Himawari or any other "satellite," is a composite of scans.
So what if they are?  Composite is not the same as fake.

By the way, in order to take a full disc image of the round earth from geostationary orbit, the camera would require about a 20 degree angle of view.  That would put the required lens in the normal to short telephoto range.