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Title: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 05:16:08 AM
Evolution is pure bullshit and so is the Heliocentric Hypothesis and below is the mathematically proof:

Evolution is to have taken billions of years to happen and life on earth set foot some 300 million years. I believe that this is what “Scientist” say?

In order for Evolution to happen, you need the Earth to also be at least 300 million years old

Let’s do the math

Have you heard of leap year, every 4 years we add a date to the calendar (February 29).

There is also something called leap second.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second

Since this system of correction was implemented in 1972, 27 leap seconds have been inserted, the most recent on December 31, 2016 at 23:59:60 UTC

So the rate that the leap second is added is

27 seconds / 44 years = 0.613636364 seconds/year
.

What does that actually means?

Last year the earth needed 0.614 seconds to complete it’s revolution.

Than in turn means that last year was spinning faster than this year.

Let extrapolate the math at this rate:


(https://preview.ibb.co/nG00h5/Leap_second.jpg) (https://ibb.co/miPRN5)

We see that in the bible timeline, the earth rotation is very close to our about 23 hours in a day, but at 140,800 years, the earth spins at 60 RPM, that is 60 revolutions per minute.

At 1 million years ago, the earth rotated at a rate of about 480 RPM
At 100 million years ago, the earth rotated at a rate of 42,613.6 RPM

But let me guess, gravity was much stronger back them and kept everything in place…

Busted!!!

PS. Carbon dating, and rock dating work on a linear calculations!!!

If it is a scientific method for Spherical Earthers, then it's good for Flat Earthers...
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 25, 2017, 05:32:28 AM
Quote from: InFlatEarth link=topic=71415.msg1934339#msg1934339

If it is a scientific method for Spherical Earthers, then it's good for Flat Earthers...
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Then I suggest you use one.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: markjo on July 25, 2017, 05:37:53 AM
Let extrapolate the math at this rate:
You're assuming that days are slowing at a linear rate.  That is not a valid assumption.
Quote from: http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2012/11/28/3642932.htm
So would the day length during the age of the dinosaurs have been 21 hours?

"The dinosaurs were around 100 million years ago, which at the current rate [of day lengthening] adds up to 2000 seconds, which is less than an hour."
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 05:58:19 AM
I'm not assuming anything. It's a scientific principles that everything dealing in time is calculated on a linear,

The speed of light,
Carbon Dating
Radiometric dating

And think about it, when you spin a top, the top slows  down. Same principles applied.

The Earth is losing it's energy do to rotation.

Your scientist are saying it, not mine!!!

Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: JackBlack on July 25, 2017, 06:10:24 AM
Evolution is pure bullshit and so is the Heliocentric Hypothesis and below is the mathematically proof:

Evolution is to have taken billions of years to happen and life on earth set foot some 300 million years. I believe that this is what “Scientist” say?

In order for Evolution to happen, you need the Earth to also be at least 300 million years old

Let’s do the math

Have you heard of leap year, every 4 years we add a date to the calendar (February 29).

There is also something called leap second.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second

Since this system of correction was implemented in 1972, 27 leap seconds have been inserted, the most recent on December 31, 2016 at 23:59:60 UTC

So the rate that the leap second is added is

27 seconds / 44 years = 0.613636364 seconds/year
.

What does that actually means?

Last year the earth needed 0.614 seconds to complete it’s revolution.

Than in turn means that last year was spinning faster than this year.
No, what this means is that the rotation rate of Earth is not a perfect 24 hours.

Let extrapolate the math at this rate:
Using what form? Linear, exponential, cubic, logarithmic?
You have no basis to extrapolate with.

How about you make a mathematical model of what is actually causing it, and then extrapolate that backwards?

PS. Carbon dating, and rock dating work on a linear calculations!!!
No, they work on exponential decay.


I'm not assuming anything. It's a scientific principles that everything dealing in time is calculated on a linear,

The speed of light,
Carbon Dating
Radiometric dating
No, it isn't.
Carbon dating is a form of radiometric dating. That is done on an exponential decay.
Chemical reactions have numerous different rate equations depending upon the reaction. Some will be approximately linear. Others exponential, others more complex.
Bacterial growth is approximately exponential.

So no, you are making a very big assumption, that is it entirely linear, which you have no basis for.

Even if it was linear, which should be linear? The angular velocity, or the period?
e.g, if the period starts at 2 pi and goes to 3 pi after 5 years, should it then go to 4 pi after another 5 years?
Or should it be that the angular velocity starts at 1, then after 5 years has dropped to 2/3, and thus after 10 should drop to 1/3?
Notice how 2 linear extrapolations have given different results?
A period of 4 pi corresponds to an angular velocity of 1/2. An angular velocity of 1/3 corresponds to a period of 6 pi

Your scientist are saying it, not mine!!!
No it is you saying it.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 06:19:33 AM
If I use exponential rate, the news is even worse. I did the best scenario for you. You can't go any slower than a linear growth.

In order to decrease the rotation, it means that the angular acceleration is negative.

It is simple physics, are you saying that the physics behind angular motion is wrong, when it comes to debunk the heliocentric hypothesis.

You know, I'm going to spot calling it hypothesis hypothesis and start calling it hypothesis fair-tail.

Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: markjo on July 25, 2017, 07:30:46 AM
It is simple physics, are you saying that the physics behind angular motion is wrong, when it comes to debunk the heliocentric hypothesis.
I think that you're trying to grossly over simplify the physics involved.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: Pezevenk on July 25, 2017, 07:31:30 AM
If I use exponential rate, the news is even worse. I did the best scenario for you. You can't go any slower than a linear growth.

In order to decrease the rotation, it means that the angular acceleration is negative.

It is simple physics, are you saying that the physics behind angular motion is wrong, when it comes to debunk the heliocentric hypothesis.

You know, I'm going to spot calling it hypothesis hypothesis and start calling it hypothesis fair-tail.

If days are slowing at an exponential rate, it's not "worse", it's much, much "better". It would mean that the rate with which the rotation slowed down in the past used to be much lower.

But all that is pretty irrelevant. I explained where you go wrong in the other thread.

Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: Pezevenk on July 25, 2017, 07:34:25 AM
Ok, I will post here my answer to you in the other thread, hoping that you won't ignore it this time:

Evolution is pure bullshit and below I will prove it mathematically:

Evolution is to have taken billions of years to happen and life on earth set foot some 300 million years. I believe that this is what “Scientist” say?

In order for Evolution to happen, you need the Earth to also be at least 300 million years old

Let’s do the math

Have you heard of leap year, every 4 years we add a date to the calendar (February 29).

There is also something called leap second.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second)

Since this system of correction was implemented in 1972, 27 leap seconds have been inserted, the most recent on December 31, 2016 at 23:59:60 UTC

So the rate that the leap second is added is

27 seconds / 44 years = 0.613636364 seconds/year

What does that actually means?

Last year the earth needed 0.614 seconds more to complete it’s revolution.

Than in turn means that last year was spinning faster than this year.

Let extrapolate the math:

(https://preview.ibb.co/nG00h5/Leap_second.jpg) (https://ibb.co/miPRN5)

We see that in the bible timeline, the earth rotation is very close to our about 23 hours in a day, but at 140,800 years, the earth spins at 60 RPM, that is 60 revolutions per minute.

At 1 million years ago, the earth rotated at a rate of about 480 RPM

At 100 million years ago, the earth rotated at a rate of 42,613.6 RPM

But let me guess, gravity was much stronger back them and kept everything in place…

Busted!!!

You could have at least read the page you linked that said that the length of the day becomes about 1.7ms every century. Which, assuming it is stable, means that 300.000.000 years ago, one solar day would be shorter than it is now by 1.41 hours approximately. Lol. I'm assuming so many leap seconds had to be added because a day wasn't exactly 86400 seconds when the counting started either, so leap seconds would still have to be added even if the rotation of the earth wasn't slowing down. Besides, the Wiki page states that since 1971 the rotation has sped up a bit. Try to look a bit more carefully into the sources you're quoting next time.

That is pure speculation to excuse the fact that their theory is wrong.

It's not speculation, the wiki page says that 86400 seconds was close to the length of a day in like 1750. So a day is inherently a few milliseconds longer than 86400 seconds. Do you even read your sources?

Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 08:04:07 AM
It is simple physics, are you saying that the physics behind angular motion is wrong, when it comes to debunk the heliocentric hypothesis.
I think that you're trying to grossly over simplify the physics involved.

Physics is not hard, it's child's play

OK, show me the math and experimental results that disproves what I have stated.

Citation please and the dates that we subtracted a leap second.

I have documentations for these years that we added a leap second

1972 - +2 second
1973 - +1 second
1974 - +1 second
1975 - +1 second
1976 - +1 second
1977 - +1 second
1979 - +1 second
1981 - +1 second
1982 - +1 second
1983 - +1 second
1985 - +1 second
1987 - +1 second
1989 - +1 second
1990 - +1 second
1992 - +1 second
1993 - +1 second
1994 - +1 second
1995 - +1 second
1997 - +1 second
1998 - +1 second
2005 - +1 second
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 08:12:50 AM
If I use exponential rate, the news is even worse. I did the best scenario for you. You can't go any slower than a linear growth.

In order to decrease the rotation, it means that the angular acceleration is negative.

It is simple physics, are you saying that the physics behind angular motion is wrong, when it comes to debunk the heliocentric hypothesis.

You know, I'm going to spot calling it hypothesis hypothesis and start calling it hypothesis fair-tail.

If days are slowing at an exponential rate, it's not "worse", it's much, much "better". It would mean that the rate with which the rotation slowed down in the past used to be much lower.

But all that is pretty irrelevant. I explained where you go wrong in the other thread.


If this is true, then it would also mean the same for the speed of light. Do you want to go down that road?

Can you please show me an angular acceleration of deceleration in the real world, where we have it in as an experiential rate
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: aisantaros on July 25, 2017, 08:26:20 AM
The earth slowing down because of tidal forces is just ONE factor contributing the inconsistency between earth rotation and atomic time. So your argument is invalid.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 08:28:28 AM
The earth slowing down because of tidal forces is just ONE factor contributing the inconsistency between earth rotation and atomic time. So your argument is invalid.

tidal forces???

OK smart ass, show me your mathematical model to prove it!!!!

Oh, you have to believe me, because the scientist said it, it must be true, just like the Russians did it!!!
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: MicroBeta on July 25, 2017, 08:35:16 AM
The earth slowing down because of tidal forces is just ONE factor contributing the inconsistency between earth rotation and atomic time. So your argument is invalid.

tidal forces???

OK smart ass, show me your mathematical model to prove it!!!!

Oh, you have to believe me, because the scientist said it, it must be true, just like the Russians did it!!!
You posted that you're an ME so you should know such numeric models already exist and work.  Asking someone to provide you with what you should already know is no trivial task is just plain silly.

You're the one refuting models that you know already exists then the onus is on you to disprove the current models.

Mike
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: aisantaros on July 25, 2017, 08:43:06 AM
The earth slowing down because of tidal forces is just ONE factor contributing the inconsistency between earth rotation and atomic time. So your argument is invalid.

tidal forces???

OK smart ass, show me your mathematical model to prove it!!!!

Oh, you have to believe me, because the scientist said it, it must be true, just like the Russians did it!!!

Since you asked it soooo nicely

http://jkas.kas.org/journals/2012v45n2/v45n2p049_naa.pdf
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: aisantaros on July 25, 2017, 08:55:06 AM
Anyway what is the reason for leap seconds on flat earth ? You argue here with a classical BALL EARTH creationist technique, where they kindly forget that the earth rotation is irregular on the atomic time precision and unpredictable.

The reason we have to add a second now and then is that the velocity of Earth's rotation around its own axis does not match the speed of atomic time. On average, it is a tiny bit too slow—and it is gradually slowing down, although very slightly.

Atomic clocks, however, tick away at pretty much the same speed over millions of years. Compared to the Earth's rotation, atomic clocks are simply too consistent

Leap seconds are irregularly spaced because the Earth's rotation speed changes irregularly. Indeed, the Earth's rotation is quite unpredictable in the long term, which explains why leap seconds are announced only six months in advance.

Deviation of day length from SI-based day (86'400 s) 1962–2015: daily, moving 365-day average and cumulative. For comparison, displays UTC leap seconds:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Deviation_of_day_length_from_SI_day.svg
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: sandokhan on July 25, 2017, 09:20:51 AM
Since you asked it soooo nicely

http://jkas.kas.org/journals/2012v45n2/v45n2p049_naa.pdf

That reference cannot be used as proof of anything.

It is totally based on the results first published by J. Laskar, namely this one:

https://www.imcce.fr/fr/presentation/equipes/ASD/preprints/prep.2004/La_2004_prep.pdf

Those types of calculations are useless without specifying first THE SET OF INITIAL VALUES of the orbital equations of motion.

All of the necessary details here, including an analysis of Laskar's papers:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1774581#msg1774581

For example, a difference in the initial position of 1 cm grows to ∼1 AU (= 1.496 x 10^11 m) after 90–150 million years.

Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: aisantaros on July 25, 2017, 09:24:49 AM
After we learned that Leap seconds are NOT the actual rate which earth slowing down its just the cumulating difference between International Atomic Time (TAI)(A time scale that combines the output of some 200 highly precise atomic clocks worldwide, and provides the exact speed for our clocks to tick) and Universal Time (UT1)(also known as Astronomical Time, refers to the Earth's rotation around its own axis, which determines the length of a day.)

Lets find out the real rate of earth slowing down : The main reason for the slowing down of the Earth's rotation is tidal friction, which alone would lengthen the day by 2.3 ms/century.

(Stephenson, F.R.; Morrison, L.V. (1995). "Long-term fluctuations in the Earth's rotation: 700 BC to AD 1990". Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London, Series A. 351 (1695): 165–202. Bibcode:1995RSPTA.351..165S. doi:10.1098/rsta.1995.0028)

In a nutshell  in terms of solar time, most days are a little longer than 24 hours.

And that lead to a cumulative error, thats why Leap seconds added, so you can see that adding a leap second NOT equal + 1 second longer day, lets see an example:

Today is predicted to be 0,5701 ms (milliseconds) or 0,0005701 seconds longer than 24 hours. This is the time it takes Earth to rotate 26,52 cm (10,44 in), as measured at the equator.

This means that today lasts:

24,0000001584 hours or
24 hours and 0,57 ms
On average, a mean solar day in the last 365 days was 24 hours+ 1,17 ms. Over this period, 5167695 days have been longer than today, while 319 have been shorter than today.

If every day was as long as today, a leap second would have to be added every 1754,08 days.

In rare cases, a day can also be shorter than 24 hours. The last time this happened was on Mon, 18 Jul 2016 (day was 0.03 ms short). However, the average day exceeds 24 hours.

To make up for the additional duration, leap seconds are added to our clocks from time to time.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: aisantaros on July 25, 2017, 09:30:21 AM
Since you asked it soooo nicely

http://jkas.kas.org/journals/2012v45n2/v45n2p049_naa.pdf

That reference cannot be used as proof of anything.

It is totally based on the results first published by J. Laskar, namely this one:

https://www.imcce.fr/fr/presentation/equipes/ASD/preprints/prep.2004/La_2004_prep.pdf

Those types of calculations are useless without specifying first THE SET OF INITIAL VALUES of the orbital equations of motion.

All of the necessary details here, including an analysis of Laskar's papers:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1774581#msg1774581

For example, a difference in the initial position of 1 cm grows to ∼1 AU (= 1.496 x 10^11 m) after 90–150 million years.

And I dont used it as a proof, just provided as a model.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 09:37:02 AM
How about this for the reason for the tides,

A Letter Dated 1577 from Mercator to John Dee which talk about a magnetic moutain that pulled the nails out of two ship that sank and I believe 4 ships got lost in the giant whirpool in the center of the North Poll.

This letter was written for the King, and the author was the Einstein of the time for making maps. I don't believe that if Eistein would have written a letter to the President of the United States, that he would lie.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1150242?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Also below is a video of a Russian airplane over the North Poll. I don't know if the video it is true or not, but let me throw it out their for you to decide.

But the letter is real



Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: Badxtoss on July 25, 2017, 09:40:54 AM
It is simple physics, are you saying that the physics behind angular motion is wrong, when it comes to debunk the heliocentric hypothesis.
I think that you're trying to grossly over simplify the physics involved.

Physics is not hard, it's child's play

OK, show me the math and experimental results that disproves what I have stated.

Citation please and the dates that we subtracted a leap second.

I have documentations for these years that we added a leap second

1972 - +2 second
1973 - +1 second
1974 - +1 second
1975 - +1 second
1976 - +1 second
1977 - +1 second
1979 - +1 second
1981 - +1 second
1982 - +1 second
1983 - +1 second
1985 - +1 second
1987 - +1 second
1989 - +1 second
1990 - +1 second
1992 - +1 second
1993 - +1 second
1994 - +1 second
1995 - +1 second
1997 - +1 second
1998 - +1 second
2005 - +1 second
Right.  They do that because a day is not a perfect 24 hours.  Same reason we do leap year.  It has nothing to do with the earth speeding up or slowing down.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: sokarul on July 25, 2017, 09:45:14 AM
Evolution is pure bullshit and so is the Heliocentric Hypothesis and below is the mathematically proof:

Evolution is to have taken billions of years to happen and life on earth set foot some 300 million years. I believe that this is what “Scientist” say?

In order for Evolution to happen, you need the Earth to also be at least 300 million years old

Let’s do the math

Have you heard of leap year, every 4 years we add a date to the calendar (February 29).

There is also something called leap second.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second

Since this system of correction was implemented in 1972, 27 leap seconds have been inserted, the most recent on December 31, 2016 at 23:59:60 UTC

So the rate that the leap second is added is

27 seconds / 44 years = 0.613636364 seconds/year
.

What does that actually means?

Last year the earth needed 0.614 seconds to complete it’s revolution.

Than in turn means that last year was spinning faster than this year.

Let extrapolate the math at this rate:


(https://preview.ibb.co/nG00h5/Leap_second.jpg) (https://ibb.co/miPRN5)

We see that in the bible timeline, the earth rotation is very close to our about 23 hours in a day, but at 140,800 years, the earth spins at 60 RPM, that is 60 revolutions per minute.

At 1 million years ago, the earth rotated at a rate of about 480 RPM
At 100 million years ago, the earth rotated at a rate of 42,613.6 RPM

But let me guess, gravity was much stronger back them and kept everything in place…

Busted!!!

PS. Carbon dating, and rock dating work on a linear calculations!!!

If it is a scientific method for Spherical Earthers, then it's good for Flat Earthers...

Close but wrong.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/why-in-the-jurassic-era-an-earth-day-may-have-been-only-23-hours-long/2013/09/23/a75c548a-f2dc-11e2-ae43-b31dc363c3bf_story.html?utm_term=.a8bf388065b1
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: aisantaros on July 25, 2017, 09:47:32 AM
How about this for the reason for the tides,

A Letter Dated 1577 from Mercator to John Dee which talk about a magnetic moutain that pulled the nails out of two ship that sank and I believe 4 ships got lost in the giant whirpool in the center of the North Poll.

This letter was written for the King, and the author was the Einstein of the time for making maps. I don't believe that if Eistein would have written a letter to the President of the United States, that he would lie.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1150242?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Also below is a video of a Russian airplane over the North Poll. I don't know if the video it is true or not, but let me throw it out their for you to decide.

But the letter is real



Good joob pooping your own thread, anyway you officially dropped the leap sec argument ?
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 09:53:31 AM
Evolution is pure bullshit and so is the Heliocentric Hypothesis and below is the mathematically proof:

Evolution is to have taken billions of years to happen and life on earth set foot some 300 million years. I believe that this is what “Scientist” say?

In order for Evolution to happen, you need the Earth to also be at least 300 million years old

Let’s do the math

Have you heard of leap year, every 4 years we add a date to the calendar (February 29).

There is also something called leap second.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second

Since this system of correction was implemented in 1972, 27 leap seconds have been inserted, the most recent on December 31, 2016 at 23:59:60 UTC

So the rate that the leap second is added is

27 seconds / 44 years = 0.613636364 seconds/year
.

What does that actually means?

Last year the earth needed 0.614 seconds to complete it’s revolution.

Than in turn means that last year was spinning faster than this year.

Let extrapolate the math at this rate:


(https://preview.ibb.co/nG00h5/Leap_second.jpg) (https://ibb.co/miPRN5)

We see that in the bible timeline, the earth rotation is very close to our about 23 hours in a day, but at 140,800 years, the earth spins at 60 RPM, that is 60 revolutions per minute.

At 1 million years ago, the earth rotated at a rate of about 480 RPM
At 100 million years ago, the earth rotated at a rate of 42,613.6 RPM

But let me guess, gravity was much stronger back them and kept everything in place…

Busted!!!

PS. Carbon dating, and rock dating work on a linear calculations!!!

If it is a scientific method for Spherical Earthers, then it's good for Flat Earthers...

Close but wrong.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/why-in-the-jurassic-era-an-earth-day-may-have-been-only-23-hours-long/2013/09/23/a75c548a-f2dc-11e2-ae43-b31dc363c3bf_story.html?utm_term=.a8bf388065b1

Int he word of our President, FAKE NEWS
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 09:55:47 AM
It is simple physics, are you saying that the physics behind angular motion is wrong, when it comes to debunk the heliocentric hypothesis.
I think that you're trying to grossly over simplify the physics involved.

Physics is not hard, it's child's play

OK, show me the math and experimental results that disproves what I have stated.

Citation please and the dates that we subtracted a leap second.

I have documentations for these years that we added a leap second

1972 - +2 second
1973 - +1 second
1974 - +1 second
1975 - +1 second
1976 - +1 second
1977 - +1 second
1979 - +1 second
1981 - +1 second
1982 - +1 second
1983 - +1 second
1985 - +1 second
1987 - +1 second
1989 - +1 second
1990 - +1 second
1992 - +1 second
1993 - +1 second
1994 - +1 second
1995 - +1 second
1997 - +1 second
1998 - +1 second
2005 - +1 second
Right.  They do that because a day is not a perfect 24 hours.  Same reason we do leap year.  It has nothing to do with the earth speeding up or slowing down.

let me explain it to to   y  o  u     v  e  r y     s  l  o  w.

We we are going slower today from yesterday, that means that yesterday was going faster... do the math
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: sokarul on July 25, 2017, 10:00:59 AM
Evolution is pure bullshit and so is the Heliocentric Hypothesis and below is the mathematically proof:

Evolution is to have taken billions of years to happen and life on earth set foot some 300 million years. I believe that this is what “Scientist” say?

In order for Evolution to happen, you need the Earth to also be at least 300 million years old

Let’s do the math

Have you heard of leap year, every 4 years we add a date to the calendar (February 29).

There is also something called leap second.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second

Since this system of correction was implemented in 1972, 27 leap seconds have been inserted, the most recent on December 31, 2016 at 23:59:60 UTC

So the rate that the leap second is added is

27 seconds / 44 years = 0.613636364 seconds/year
.

What does that actually means?

Last year the earth needed 0.614 seconds to complete it’s revolution.

Than in turn means that last year was spinning faster than this year.

Let extrapolate the math at this rate:


(https://preview.ibb.co/nG00h5/Leap_second.jpg) (https://ibb.co/miPRN5)

We see that in the bible timeline, the earth rotation is very close to our about 23 hours in a day, but at 140,800 years, the earth spins at 60 RPM, that is 60 revolutions per minute.

At 1 million years ago, the earth rotated at a rate of about 480 RPM
At 100 million years ago, the earth rotated at a rate of 42,613.6 RPM

But let me guess, gravity was much stronger back them and kept everything in place…

Busted!!!

PS. Carbon dating, and rock dating work on a linear calculations!!!

If it is a scientific method for Spherical Earthers, then it's good for Flat Earthers...

Close but wrong.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/why-in-the-jurassic-era-an-earth-day-may-have-been-only-23-hours-long/2013/09/23/a75c548a-f2dc-11e2-ae43-b31dc363c3bf_story.html?utm_term=.a8bf388065b1

Int he word of our President, FAKE NEWS
And like him, you have no evidence it is. You just need it to be fake out of necessity.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: Kami on July 25, 2017, 10:03:27 AM
It is simple physics, are you saying that the physics behind angular motion is wrong, when it comes to debunk the heliocentric hypothesis.
I think that you're trying to grossly over simplify the physics involved.

Physics is not hard, it's child's play

OK, show me the math and experimental results that disproves what I have stated.

Citation please and the dates that we subtracted a leap second.

I have documentations for these years that we added a leap second

1972 - +2 second
1973 - +1 second
1974 - +1 second
1975 - +1 second
1976 - +1 second
1977 - +1 second
1979 - +1 second
1981 - +1 second
1982 - +1 second
1983 - +1 second
1985 - +1 second
1987 - +1 second
1989 - +1 second
1990 - +1 second
1992 - +1 second
1993 - +1 second
1994 - +1 second
1995 - +1 second
1997 - +1 second
1998 - +1 second
2005 - +1 second
Right.  They do that because a day is not a perfect 24 hours.  Same reason we do leap year.  It has nothing to do with the earth speeding up or slowing down.

let me explain it to to   y  o  u     v  e  r y     s  l  o  w.

We we are going slower today from yesterday, that means that yesterday was going faster... do the math
You are right, the earth is slowing down. That has nothing to do with leap seconds though. Leap seconds are because a day is not exactly 24 hours. It is a little different, by about 1 second every 1.5 years (rough ballpark estimate). But this difference stays the same! (Well roughly, we have slowed down by a few microseconds since the last million years, but this is basically neglible).

Do you really think scientists are this stupid? That such a simple argument would not have been detected decades ago? You are extremely ignorant.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 10:17:31 AM
Quote
You are right, the earth is slowing down. That has nothing to do with leap seconds though. Leap seconds are because a day is not exactly 24 hours. It is a little different, by about 1 second every 1.5 years (rough ballpark estimate). But this difference stays the same! (Well roughly, we have slowed down by a few microseconds since the last million years, but this is basically neglible).

In the last 44 years, the scientist have added 27 lead seconds and subtracted 0 leap second. Their is  a pattern in the leap second.

If the scientist have added a leap second in the last 44 years, that is from the time that they began talking about time correction and leap seconds, please post citation of the year.


Quote
Do you really think scientists are this stupid?


No Liars, when it comes to defend the heliocentric fair-tail


Quote
That such a simple argument would not have been detected decades ago?

When did it become important to have a an accurate time system?
Oh yes in the computer age.

When did the computer age start?
in the 60's

Quote
You are extremely ignorant.

So tell me, how does it feel that an ignorant man was able to debunk your heliocentric fair-tail?

But if I am wrong, please post citation where it states that from 1972 and afterwards they subtracted a leap year!!!
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: aisantaros on July 25, 2017, 10:25:19 AM
Quote
You are right, the earth is slowing down. That has nothing to do with leap seconds though. Leap seconds are because a day is not exactly 24 hours. It is a little different, by about 1 second every 1.5 years (rough ballpark estimate). But this difference stays the same! (Well roughly, we have slowed down by a few microseconds since the last million years, but this is basically neglible).

In the last 44 years, the scientist have added 27 lead seconds and subtracted 0 leap second. Their is  a pattern in the leap second.

If the scientist have added a leap second in the last 44 years, that is from the time that they began talking about time correction and leap seconds, please post citation of the year.


Quote
Do you really think scientists are this stupid?


No Liars, when it comes to defend the heliocentric fair-tail


Quote
That such a simple argument would not have been detected decades ago?

When did it become important to have a an accurate time system?
Oh yes in the computer age.

When did the computer age start?
in the 60's

Quote
You are extremely ignorant.

So tell me, how does it feel that an ignorant man was able to debunk your heliocentric fair-tail?

But if I am wrong, please post citation where it states that from 1972 and afterwards they subtracted a leap year!!!

Lenght of a day today : 24 hours and 0.57 ms

Lenght of a day at Wednesday, 25 July 1973
24 hours and 2.2120 milliseconds

Where is your claimed +27 seconds longer day ?
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 25, 2017, 10:29:44 AM
Atomic clocks were not invented for computers.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: aisantaros on July 25, 2017, 10:34:37 AM
Also leap seconds BY DEFINITION do not mean +1 sec longer day:

When the difference between UTC and UT1 approaches 0.9 seconds, a leap second is added to UTC and to clocks worldwide. By adding an additional second to the time count, our clocks are effectively stopped for that second to give Earth the opportunity to catch up.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: markjo on July 25, 2017, 10:35:37 AM
How about this for the reason for the tides,

A Letter Dated 1577 from Mercator to John Dee which talk about a magnetic moutain that pulled the nails out of two ship that sank and I believe 4 ships got lost in the giant whirpool in the center of the North Poll.

This letter was written for the King, and the author was the Einstein of the time for making maps. I don't believe that if Eistein would have written a letter to the President of the United States, that he would lie.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1150242?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Also below is a video of a Russian airplane over the North Poll. I don't know if the video it is true or not, but let me throw it out their for you to decide.

But the letter is real


???  Why are you trying to derail your own thread?  You seem to do that a lot.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 10:44:05 AM
Quote
You are right, the earth is slowing down. That has nothing to do with leap seconds though. Leap seconds are because a day is not exactly 24 hours. It is a little different, by about 1 second every 1.5 years (rough ballpark estimate). But this difference stays the same! (Well roughly, we have slowed down by a few microseconds since the last million years, but this is basically neglible).

In the last 44 years, the scientist have added 27 lead seconds and subtracted 0 leap second. Their is  a pattern in the leap second.

If the scientist have added a leap second in the last 44 years, that is from the time that they began talking about time correction and leap seconds, please post citation of the year.


Quote
Do you really think scientists are this stupid?


No Liars, when it comes to defend the heliocentric fair-tail


Quote
That such a simple argument would not have been detected decades ago?

When did it become important to have a an accurate time system?
Oh yes in the computer age.

When did the computer age start?
in the 60's

Quote
You are extremely ignorant.

So tell me, how does it feel that an ignorant man was able to debunk your heliocentric fair-tail?

But if I am wrong, please post citation where it states that from 1972 and afterwards they subtracted a leap year!!!

Lenght of a day today : 24 hours and 0.57 ms

Lenght of a day at Wednesday, 25 July 1973
24 hours and 2.2120 milliseconds

Where is your claimed +27 seconds longer day ?

Funny people make funny math!

Leap second, not millisecond.

A leap second is a one-second adjustment that is occasionally applied to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) in order to keep its time of day close to the mean solar time, or UT1.

This song might help you.

Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 25, 2017, 10:45:50 AM
A leap second is a one-second adjustment that is occasionally applied to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) in order to keep its time of day close to the mean solar time, or UT1.

Glad you've finally come to your senses.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 10:47:47 AM
https://www.sciencealert.com/sorry-everyone-2016-will-have-an-extra-second-added-to-the-end-of-it

Sorry Everyone, 2016 Will Have an Extra Second Added to The End of It


Yep, as you finally count down the end of 2016, you'll have to make it past 11:59:60, thanks to the addition of an extra 'leap second'.

These leap seconds are added to make up for the fact that Earth's rotation is gradually slowing down, and to make sure that our precise clocks remain in sync with how long a day lasts on Earth.

"This extra second, or leap second, makes it possible to align astronomical time, which is irregular and determined by Earth's rotation, with Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) which is extremely stable and has been determined by atomic clocks since 1967," explained the Paris Observatory in France, which houses the International Earth Rotation and Reference Systems Service (IERS), responsible for synchronising time.

When exactly that leap second will be added depends on your time zone - UTC is the primary time standard by which the rest of the time zones around the planet are set - but it'll be an extra second in the last minute of the year, which means the final minute of 2016 will last for 61 seconds.

"The sequence of dates of the UTC second markers will be: 2016 December 31 23h 59m 59s, 2016 December 31 23h 59m 60s, 2017 January 1, 0h 0m 0s," the IERS website states.

A leap second was added last year at the end of June, and it's usually done either in the middle or at the end of the year, because our poor old technology can't handle slotting the extra second in anywhere else.


So why do we need leap seconds at all? An astronomical day is marked by how long it takes Earth to spin on its axis, and this isn't as reliable as you might think.

Earth's rotation fluctuates slightly year to year, sometimes getting longer, sometimes shorter. Overall, it's gradually slowing down ever so slightly as a result of the Moon's tidal pull acting like a brake on our planet.

The spin is also influenced by geological events such as strong earthquakes, and even the freezing and melting of ice sheets.

As the planet spins slower, astronomical time gradually falls out of sync with atomic time (TAI), which is measured here on Earth by nearly 400 super-accurate atomic clocks.

"As a result, sometimes we need to add an extra second to our clocks, because Earth's rotation is slowing down by two-thousandths of a second every day," Signe Dean explained for us last year.

This is also the same reason that we add leap days to certain years. And if you thought 2016 felt extra long, then, you're right, because this year had a leap day as well as getting an extra leap second. 
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 10:50:13 AM
A leap second is a one-second adjustment that is occasionally applied to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) in order to keep its time of day close to the mean solar time, or UT1.

Glad you've finally come to your senses.

Yes , but from 1972 we have just been adding, never subtracting. Because the earth slows down, they even say it!

Read

https://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/leap-second-add-december-2016.html
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: aisantaros on July 25, 2017, 10:52:45 AM
Quote
You are right, the earth is slowing down. That has nothing to do with leap seconds though. Leap seconds are because a day is not exactly 24 hours. It is a little different, by about 1 second every 1.5 years (rough ballpark estimate). But this difference stays the same! (Well roughly, we have slowed down by a few microseconds since the last million years, but this is basically neglible).

In the last 44 years, the scientist have added 27 lead seconds and subtracted 0 leap second. Their is  a pattern in the leap second.

If the scientist have added a leap second in the last 44 years, that is from the time that they began talking about time correction and leap seconds, please post citation of the year.


Quote
Do you really think scientists are this stupid?


No Liars, when it comes to defend the heliocentric fair-tail


Quote
That such a simple argument would not have been detected decades ago?

When did it become important to have a an accurate time system?
Oh yes in the computer age.

When did the computer age start?
in the 60's

Quote
You are extremely ignorant.

So tell me, how does it feel that an ignorant man was able to debunk your heliocentric fair-tail?

But if I am wrong, please post citation where it states that from 1972 and afterwards they subtracted a leap year!!!

Lenght of a day today : 24 hours and 0.57 ms

Lenght of a day at Wednesday, 25 July 1973
24 hours and 2.2120 milliseconds

Where is your claimed +27 seconds longer day ?

Funny people make funny math!

Leap second, not millisecond.

A leap second is a one-second adjustment that is occasionally applied to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) in order to keep its time of day close to the mean solar time, or UT1.

This song might help you.



Then have it in seconds

24 hours, 0 minutes, 0.0022120 seconds

and

24 hours, 0 minutes, 0.0005701 seconds

So Where is your claimed +27 seconds ? Isnt that its just like they correct the accumulating error from irregularities between UTC and UT1 ? BY STOPPING UTC for a sec..

THat means no +1 sec longer days for you, sorry

Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: aisantaros on July 25, 2017, 10:56:19 AM
https://www.sciencealert.com/sorry-everyone-2016-will-have-an-extra-second-added-to-the-end-of-it

Sorry Everyone, 2016 Will Have an Extra Second Added to The End of It


Yep, as you finally count down the end of 2016, you'll have to make it past 11:59:60, thanks to the addition of an extra 'leap second'.

These leap seconds are added to make up for the fact that Earth's rotation is gradually slowing down, and to make sure that our precise clocks remain in sync with how long a day lasts on Earth.

"This extra second, or leap second, makes it possible to align astronomical time, which is irregular and determined by Earth's rotation, with Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) which is extremely stable and has been determined by atomic clocks since 1967," explained the Paris Observatory in France, which houses the International Earth Rotation and Reference Systems Service (IERS), responsible for synchronising time.

When exactly that leap second will be added depends on your time zone - UTC is the primary time standard by which the rest of the time zones around the planet are set - but it'll be an extra second in the last minute of the year, which means the final minute of 2016 will last for 61 seconds.

"The sequence of dates of the UTC second markers will be: 2016 December 31 23h 59m 59s, 2016 December 31 23h 59m 60s, 2017 January 1, 0h 0m 0s," the IERS website states.

A leap second was added last year at the end of June, and it's usually done either in the middle or at the end of the year, because our poor old technology can't handle slotting the extra second in anywhere else.


So why do we need leap seconds at all? An astronomical day is marked by how long it takes Earth to spin on its axis, and this isn't as reliable as you might think.

Earth's rotation fluctuates slightly year to year, sometimes getting longer, sometimes shorter. Overall, it's gradually slowing down ever so slightly as a result of the Moon's tidal pull acting like a brake on our planet.

The spin is also influenced by geological events such as strong earthquakes, and even the freezing and melting of ice sheets.

As the planet spins slower, astronomical time gradually falls out of sync with atomic time (TAI), which is measured here on Earth by nearly 400 super-accurate atomic clocks.

"As a result, sometimes we need to add an extra second to our clocks, because Earth's rotation is slowing down by two-thousandths of a second every day," Signe Dean explained for us last year.

This is also the same reason that we add leap days to certain years. And if you thought 2016 felt extra long, then, you're right, because this year had a leap day as well as getting an extra leap second.

Then you finally understand and acknowledge your error ? Good
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 11:04:08 AM
Are yous stupid or something.

On December 31, 2016 the day was not 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59 seconds, but it was 23 hours, 59 minutes and 60 seconds.

https://www.google.gr/search?q=leap+second+added&oq=leap+second+added&gs_l=serp.1.0.0l2j0i22i30k1l4.96053.97444.0.99648.6.6.0.0.0.0.175.761.0j5.5.0....0...1.1.64.serp..1.5.757...0i20k1j0i10k1j0i22i10i30k1.FYb-a7PiX1Q
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 11:06:12 AM
Quote
When exactly that leap second will be added depends on your time zone - UTC is the primary time standard by which the rest of the time zones around the planet are set - but it'll be an extra second in the last minute of the year, which means the final minute of 2016 will last for 61 seconds.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 11:07:35 AM
When have we ever subtracted a leap second from 1972
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: Mikey T. on July 25, 2017, 11:27:19 AM
Look, look, folks.  The young troll is displaying his peacock feathers by increasing the size of his font.  It is meant to be a show of size and power.  Too bad everyone just laughs and continues to look at the small brainpan.

Folks if you are really diligent, you could witness the full scale meltdown that trolls are so famous for.  It could be accompanied by the disappearance of some troll adolescents.  Hopefully this one will just croon and strut till he calms down.  I would hate to lose another comedy performer here.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 11:31:07 AM
Atomic clocks were not invented for computers.

Yes, you are correct about that, but they are used by them.

It's like saying that the mile was not developed for the car speedometer!!!!
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: MicroBeta on July 25, 2017, 11:33:41 AM
When have we ever subtracted a leap second from 1972
You're right.  We never have and never will have a negative leap second.  That's the very nature of a leap. 

However, I don't think it's indicative of anything other than we're much more accurate at time keeping then we ever have been.  That and we've never had a time scale that matches exactly one solar year...one trip around the sun.

Mike
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 11:46:23 AM
Bottom line, the Earth spins slower every year and we have to add a leap second to make it up every x years.

That means that the earth was spinning faster in the previous years and thus 140,800 years ago, the earth would be spinning at 60 RPM.

Therefore, at 60 RPM, life could not existed, that means that either

1) your timescales is wrong, that the dinesores live 100 million years ago

or

2) The Earth is Flat.


You can decide what is right, but in the infamous words of MC Hammer




At the beginning, based on the Bible timeline about 6,500 years ago, the earth needed 22.89 hours to make a revolution

Which is more believable



Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: Pezevenk on July 25, 2017, 11:55:44 AM
If I use exponential rate, the news is even worse. I did the best scenario for you. You can't go any slower than a linear growth.

In order to decrease the rotation, it means that the angular acceleration is negative.

It is simple physics, are you saying that the physics behind angular motion is wrong, when it comes to debunk the heliocentric hypothesis.

You know, I'm going to spot calling it hypothesis hypothesis and start calling it hypothesis fair-tail.

If days are slowing at an exponential rate, it's not "worse", it's much, much "better". It would mean that the rate with which the rotation slowed down in the past used to be much lower.

But all that is pretty irrelevant. I explained where you go wrong in the other thread.


If this is true, then it would also mean the same for the speed of light. Do you want to go down that road?

Can you please show me an angular acceleration of deceleration in the real world, where we have it in as an experiential rate

As an answer to your last question, off the top of my head, damped oscillations. Also air resistance (since it is dependent on velocity).

I don't know what the speed of light has to do with this.

Also I did not argue that the deceleration of the earth's rotation is exponential.

Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: Pezevenk on July 25, 2017, 11:59:38 AM
No, you don't get it. The variations in the earth's angular velocity are the reason leap seconds are added irregularly. The main reason leap seconds are added is because right from the start a day was a bit more than 24 hours. Look at the wiki page you cited. The day gets longer by about 1.7ms per century.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: aisantaros on July 25, 2017, 12:03:55 PM
Bottom line, the Earth spins slower every year and we have to add a leap second to make it up every x years.

That means that the earth was spinning faster in the previous years and thus 140,800 years ago, the earth would be spinning at 60 RPM.

Therefore, at 60 RPM, life could not existed, that means that either

1) your timescales is wrong, that the dinesores live 100 million years ago

or

2) The Earth is Flat.


You can decide what is right, but in the infamous words of MC Hammer




At the beginning, based on the Bible timeline about 6,500 years ago, the earth needed 22.89 hours to make a revolution

Which is more believable


I see where you lost

We    measure    time   passed in DAYS then years NOT in seconds

That mean when International Atomic time count 1 day by x milliseconds sooner that will accumulate day by day against  Universal Time.

Lets exaggerate 

IAT 24h

UT is 24 hour +1 sec constant

There you have to add a leap second EVERY DAY

Does that mean that after 10 days your days will be 10 sec longer ?

YES/NO ? :

Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 12:05:30 PM
If I use exponential rate, the news is even worse. I did the best scenario for you. You can't go any slower than a linear growth.

In order to decrease the rotation, it means that the angular acceleration is negative.

It is simple physics, are you saying that the physics behind angular motion is wrong, when it comes to debunk the heliocentric hypothesis.

You know, I'm going to spot calling it hypothesis hypothesis and start calling it hypothesis fair-tail.

If days are slowing at an exponential rate, it's not "worse", it's much, much "better". It would mean that the rate with which the rotation slowed down in the past used to be much lower.

But all that is pretty irrelevant. I explained where you go wrong in the other thread.


If this is true, then it would also mean the same for the speed of light. Do you want to go down that road?

Can you please show me an angular acceleration of deceleration in the real world, where we have it in as an experiential rate

As an answer to your last question, off the top of my head, damped oscillations. Also air resistance (since it is dependent on velocity).

I don't know what the speed of light has to do with this.

Also I did not argue that the deceleration of the earth's rotation is exponential.

oscillation

plural noun: oscillations
1.
movement back and forth in a regular rhythm.

In the last 44 years, that is from the time that it was important to have accurate time, we have been adding leap seconds, never removing them.  Not even once did they subtract a second.

This is not an oscillation, but a pure linear movement!!
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 12:15:39 PM
Bottom line, the Earth spins slower every year and we have to add a leap second to make it up every x years.

That means that the earth was spinning faster in the previous years and thus 140,800 years ago, the earth would be spinning at 60 RPM.

Therefore, at 60 RPM, life could not existed, that means that either

1) your timescales is wrong, that the dinesores live 100 million years ago

or

2) The Earth is Flat.


You can decide what is right, but in the infamous words of MC Hammer




At the beginning, based on the Bible timeline about 6,500 years ago, the earth needed 22.89 hours to make a revolution

Which is more believable


I see where you lost

We    measure    time   passed in DAYS then years NOT in seconds

That mean when International Atomic time count 1 day by x milliseconds sooner that will accumulate day by day against  Universal Time.

Lets exaggerate 

IAT 24h

UT is 24 hour +1 sec constant

There you have to add a leap second EVERY DAY

Does that mean that after 10 days your days will be 10 sec longer ?

YES/NO ? :

Let me put it in a way that you can understand, a day has 24 hours - Yes

1 hour has 60 minutes and 1 minute has 60 seconds

therefore a day has 86,400 seconds.

If we add 1 second, that means that the day has 86,401 seconds instead of 86,400 seconds.

That means that the earth needed more time to make 1 revolution.

velocity is distance divided by time if you increase the time and keep the distance the same, then your velocity decrease.

if your velocity decreases, that means that you are decelerating or slowing down than before

Does everybody understand!!!
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: markjo on July 25, 2017, 01:10:28 PM
Bottom line, the Earth spins slower every year and we have to add a leap second to make it up every x years.

That means that the earth was spinning faster in the previous years and thus 140,800 years ago, the earth would be spinning at 60 RPM.
No.  Adding a leap second every few years is not the same thing as redefining the length of a year.

A year is defined as 31,536,000 seconds (give or take).  Adding a leap second means that this year will be 31,536,001 seconds long, but next year will still be 31,536,000 seconds (unless they need to add another leap second).

There is even talk of abolishing the leap second.
https://qz.com/432787/the-origin-of-leap-seconds-and-why-they-should-be-abolished/
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 01:30:48 PM
Bottom line, the Earth spins slower every year and we have to add a leap second to make it up every x years.

That means that the earth was spinning faster in the previous years and thus 140,800 years ago, the earth would be spinning at 60 RPM.
No.  Adding a leap second every few years is not the same thing as redefining the length of a year.

A year is defined as 31,536,000 seconds (give or take).  Adding a leap second means that this year will be 31,536,001 seconds long, but next year will still be 31,536,000 seconds (unless they need to add another leap second).

There is even talk of abolishing the leap second.
https://qz.com/432787/the-origin-of-leap-seconds-and-why-they-should-be-abolished/


But a earth revolution only needs 86,400 seconds. Why are you talking years to confuse the people. The people are really smart and can understand everything and you are really discrediting the Spherical Earth Society.

It is clear that you don't understand the basic angular velocity or that you are a troll.

Go ask a fifth grader, maybe he can help you...

Ask him to turn his bicycle upside down so the wheels face up.

Ask him to spin the wheel. If the wheel needs more time to complete the 360 degrees, will it accelerate of decelerate?

If you increase the time, while having the 360 Degrees the same, you will slow down.


Your under pressure to prove to your masters that you are worthy of your position!

Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: Crutchwater on July 25, 2017, 01:44:49 PM
While you're at it, ask the sixth grader what the Earth looks like!


Oh, that's right... You'll simply claim "total indoctrination".
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: aisantaros on July 25, 2017, 01:55:38 PM
Bottom line, the Earth spins slower every year and we have to add a leap second to make it up every x years.

That means that the earth was spinning faster in the previous years and thus 140,800 years ago, the earth would be spinning at 60 RPM.
No.  Adding a leap second every few years is not the same thing as redefining the length of a year.

A year is defined as 31,536,000 seconds (give or take).  Adding a leap second means that this year will be 31,536,001 seconds long, but next year will still be 31,536,000 seconds (unless they need to add another leap second).

There is even talk of abolishing the leap second.
https://qz.com/432787/the-origin-of-leap-seconds-and-why-they-should-be-abolished/


But a earth revolution only needs 86,400 seconds. Why are you talking years to confuse the people. The people are really smart and can understand everything and you are really discrediting the Spherical Earth Society.

It is clear that you don't understand the basic angular velocity or that you are a troll.

Go ask a fifth grader, maybe he can help you...

Ask him to turn his bicycle upside down so the wheels face up.

Ask him to spin the wheel. If the wheel needs more time to complete the 360 degrees, will it accelerate of decelerate?

If you increase the time, while having the 360 Degrees the same, you will slow down.


Your under pressure to prove to your masters that you are worthy of your position!



Its called LEAP second, is that word ring a bell ? Almost like they named it like that because it SKIP a second, leap it , right ? Thats right they dont add it they skip it to allow UT1 to catch up to atomic time.

Is that clear ?
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 01:56:23 PM
While you're at it, ask the sixth grader what the Earth looks like!


Oh, that's right... You'll simply claim "total indoctrination".

You must have some great dreams about the heliocentric fair-tail

Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: aisantaros on July 25, 2017, 02:36:54 PM
While you're at it, ask the sixth grader what the Earth looks like!


Oh, that's right... You'll simply claim "total indoctrination".

You must have some great dreams about the heliocentric fair-tail



Give you one last chance, first think about that why nobody else define apply use or otherwise think about leap second as you, maybe you are the one not understanding it and not the International Earth Rotation and Reference Systems Service ? :D Just maybe

Then Lets examine an actual practical case :

Length of the day today  86400.0005597 seconds thats the Universal time

International Atomic Time  86400 sec a day.

Difference: 0.0005597

remember we have this difference because of the definitions of a day in the two system Atomic time measures the day as 86400 si seconds and universal time refers to the Earth's rotation around its own axis.

What happens when that remains constant for a year ? Means no change in earth angular speed and other factors.

Lets count Days together !

Chose a fairly big number let pass 1787 day

In Atomic Time its : 86400.0005597*1787 = 154396800

In Universal Time : 86400.0005597*1787 = 154396801

Did you noticed something ? 154396801

Thats in red right there is your Leap second, that means we have to LEAP that second to allow Universal time to catch up with the day counting of Atomic time. And Earth not even slowed a bit in our example, we just had the initial difference based on the definitions.

So that is the whole reason behind leap second, hope you understand now.

Any question ?

Hope thats clear.

Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: markjo on July 25, 2017, 02:55:52 PM
Bottom line, the Earth spins slower every year and we have to add a leap second to make it up every x years.

That means that the earth was spinning faster in the previous years and thus 140,800 years ago, the earth would be spinning at 60 RPM.
No.  Adding a leap second every few years is not the same thing as redefining the length of a year.

A year is defined as 31,536,000 seconds (give or take).  Adding a leap second means that this year will be 31,536,001 seconds long, but next year will still be 31,536,000 seconds (unless they need to add another leap second).

There is even talk of abolishing the leap second.
https://qz.com/432787/the-origin-of-leap-seconds-and-why-they-should-be-abolished/


But a earth revolution only needs 86,400 seconds. Why are you talking years to confuse the people.
Because it generally takes years before a leap second is needed.

Even so, a leap second isn't redefining the length of a day.  A leap second is added to allow the relatively imprecise rotation of the earth to catch up to the incredibly precise atomic clocks.

Try to understand that one second is no longer defined as 1/86,400 of a day.  One second is defined as 9,192,631,770 Caesium vibrations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesium_standard
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: rabinoz on July 25, 2017, 03:05:24 PM
I'm not assuming anything. It's a scientific principles that everything dealing in time is calculated on a linear,

Quote from: InFlatEarth
The speed of light, Carbon Dating, Radiometric dating
What of earth do these have to do with your claims.

Quote from: InFlatEarth
And think about it, when you spin a top, the top slows  down.
Totally incorrect! Ever heard of Newton's First Law of motion.
Yes, "when you spin a top, the top slows  down"
DUE to friction in the "pivot" and air resistance.

Quote from: InFlatEarth
Same principles applied. The Earth is losing it's energy do to rotation.
Sure "same principles", but The rotating earth has no "pivot" and no air resistance.
The earth loses energy not "due to rotation" but from known causes,
mainly do to transfer of angular momentum to the moon and "tidal" friction.

So the earth is down, but not at your idiotic rate, bit on average about 1.4 ms/day each century!

Quote from: InFlatEarth
Your scientist are saying it, not mine!!!
No it is not OUR SCIENTISTS it is your total inability to read and understand a document.

I will agree that it is not YOUR SCIENTISTS because there are NO FLAT EARTH SCIENTISTS worth the name!
Complete and utter balderdash!
What about reading the whole document? Instead of your usual cherry picking bits that you think you can deceitfully twist to suit your own delusion.

"Roughly every 100 years, the day gets about 1.4 milliseconds, or 1.4 thousandths of a second, longer."

You have been totally wrong with all your claims! Do you remember these? Shall I count your stupid blunders?
Shall I go on?

Mr InFlatEarth, a serious question - a you really a totally ignorant and stupid Flat Earther or
a very smart Globe supporter, like Leo Ferrari, trying to make the whole Flat Earth Hypothesis look ridiculous?
Because, either way you are succeeding admirably at the latter. You are really the best argument I have seen for the Globe.
       
       
       
       

Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: JackBlack on July 25, 2017, 04:16:30 PM
If I use exponential rate, the news is even worse. I did the best scenario for you. You can't go any slower than a linear growth.
Yes you can.
The rate can be speeding up.
Use an exponential growth instead of an exponential decay. See what happens?

It is simple physics, are you saying that the physics behind angular motion is wrong, when it comes to debunk the heliocentric hypothesis.
No we aren't.

We are claiming your analysis of it is wrong.

OK, show me the math and experimental results that disproves what I have stated.
No. You are the one making the claims. The burden of proof is on you.
So you show us the math which indicates this slowing should be linear.

If this is true, then it would also mean the same for the speed of light. Do you want to go down that road?
How? The speed of light is constant. That would mean the rate of exponential growth would be 0.

Can you please show me an angular acceleration of deceleration in the real world, where we have it in as an experiential rate
Again, stop shifting the burden of proof.

How about this for the reason for the tides,

A Letter Dated 1577 from Mercator to John Dee which talk about a magnetic moutain that pulled the nails out of two ship that sank and I believe 4 ships got lost in the giant whirpool in the center of the North Poll.

This letter was written for the King, and the author was the Einstein of the time for making maps. I don't believe that if Eistein would have written a letter to the President of the United States, that he would lie.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1150242?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Also below is a video of a Russian airplane over the North Poll. I don't know if the video it is true or not, but let me throw it out their for you to decide.

But the letter is real


The tides change quite often, typically having 2 high and low tides a day. Are you suggesting these magnetic mountains are magically moving around Earth twice a day?
And you don't provide open access to the letter.
The closest reference I can find to what you say is a report from someone else mentioning magnetic lands and 4 ships getting shipwrecked on rocked, out a fleet.

So nothing like what you are claiming.

As for the video, there is so little detail it is impossible to tell what it is.
But it may be the remenants of an open cut mine which has had a gas explosion which has been left burning.

Are yous stupid or something.

On December 31, 2016 the day was not 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59 seconds, but it was 23 hours, 59 minutes and 60 seconds.
No, it was 24 hours and 1 second.
This was to shift the day, not lengthen it.
The day before was 24 hours and 0 seconds, as was the day after.

https://www.sciencealert.com/sorry-everyone-2016-will-have-an-extra-second-added-to-the-end-of-it

Sorry Everyone, 2016 Will Have an Extra Second Added to The End of It
It already did.

Guess what? That doesn't mean a day is 1 second longer. That means the day has shifted by 1 second.

You fundamentally misunderstand what a leap second is.

When have we ever subtracted a leap second from 1972
NEVER! That doesn't mean the day is growing in length. That means the day is longer than 24 hours. As an example, if an astronomical day is 24 hours and 0.0027 s, then over a year that will add up to roughly 0.986 s so you will need to add a leap second every year. If Earth slows down such that an average day grows to 0.0028, then over a year it will add up to 1.022 s, so it will need a leap second more than every year. If it slows down to 0.0026 seconds, then over a year it adds up to 0.949 s, so you still need to add a leap second every year or so.

All you can do with your measurement is calculate the average length of the year.

Bottom line, the Earth spins slower every year and we have to add a leap second to make it up every x years.

That means that the earth was spinning faster in the previous years and thus 140,800 years ago, the earth would be spinning at 60 RPM.
Do the math.
Show how this is the case, taking note of what a leap second really is.

In the last 44 years, that is from the time that it was important to have accurate time, we have been adding leap seconds, never removing them.  Not even once did they subtract a second.

This is not an oscillation, but a pure linear movement!!
No it isn't. A linear movement would be starting off adding 1 leap second a year, then going to 2 per year, then 3 and so on.
Instead we just add 1 every now and then. sometimes a year apart, some times more, some times less.
That is an oscillation.

But a earth revolution only needs 86,400 seconds. Why are you talking years to confuse the people. The people are really smart and can understand everything and you are really discrediting the Spherical Earth Society.
No it doesn't It needs roughly 86400 seconds for a solar day. It actually needs slightly more than that. (for a sidereal day it needs less).


It is clear that you don't understand the basic angular velocity or that you are a troll.
No, it is clear that you don't understand how leap seconds work or lengthening a day.

Perhaps this is simpler, a car completes a circuit once every 100 seconds, roughly, but after 1000 laps it has taken a total of 100 001 seconds.
Does this mean the last lap took longer? No. It just means that on average it is actually 100.001 seconds per lap. Some can be faster, some can be longer.
The same applies to leap seconds.

If it was slowing at the rate you claimed, 2016 wouldn't need 1 leap second, it would need 27. 2017 would also need 27, and 2015 would need 26.

Go ask a fifth grader, maybe he can help you...
Good advice. You should follow it.
Ask them about average times.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: Alpha2Omega on July 25, 2017, 08:55:36 PM
[In the] word of our President, FAKE NEWS

That's two words.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 25, 2017, 10:43:21 PM
While you're at it, ask the sixth grader what the Earth looks like!


Oh, that's right... You'll simply claim "total indoctrination".

You must have some great dreams about the heliocentric fair-tail



Give you one last chance, first think about that why nobody else define apply use or otherwise think about leap second as you, maybe you are the one not understanding it and not the International Earth Rotation and Reference Systems Service ? :D Just maybe

Then Lets examine an actual practical case :

Length of the day today 82800.0005597 seconds thats the Universal time

International Atomic Time 82800 sec a day.

Difference: 0.0005597

remember we have this difference because of the definitions of a day in the two system Atomic time measures the day as 86400 si seconds and universal time refers to the Earth's rotation around its own axis.

What happens when that remains constant for a year ? Means no change in earth angular speed and other factors.

Lets count Days together !

Chose a fairly big number let pass 1787 day

In Atomic Time its : 86400.0005597*1787 = 154396800

In Universal Time : 86400.0005597*1787 = 154396801

Did you noticed something ? 154396801

Thats in red right there is your Leap second, that means we have to LEAP that second to allow Universal time to catch up with the day counting of Atomic time. And Earth not even slowed a bit in our example, we just had the initial difference based on the definitions.

So that is the whole reason behind leap second, hope you understand now.

Any question ?

Hope thats clear.

You are wrong and trying to confuse the people that read this thread.

We stopped our watches for 1 second on December 31, 2016 to give time for the earth to come in position!

My math is correct

Let me put it in a way that you can understand, a day has 24 hours - Yes

1 hour has 60 minutes and 1 minute has 60 seconds

therefore a day has 86,400 seconds.

If we add 1 second, that means that the day has 86,401 seconds instead of 86,400 seconds.

That means that the earth needed more time to make 1 revolution.

velocity is distance divided by time if you increase the time and keep the distance the same, then your velocity decrease.



Wharton Studio circle LED clock displays leap second at 23:59:60 on 31 December 2016. Synchronised via a local NTP stratum 1 GPS master clock.





On 2016-12-31 in the UTC-laboratory at VTT MIKES, Otaniemi, Finland.
Note how 23:59:59 is held for 2 seconds on the displays.





maybe you prefer this





Your Heliocentric Fair-tail is over

Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 12:13:42 AM
A graph of the years past from 1972 and the number of leap seconds added

(https://preview.ibb.co/duRK9k/Leap_Seconds_trend.jpg)[/url]

DATA

The years that leap seconds where added

Year   Leap Seconds
1972   2
1973   1
1974   1
1975   1
1976   1
1977   1
1978   1
1979   1
1980   0
1981   1
1982   1
1983   1
1984   0
1985   1
1986   0
1987   1
1988   0
1989   1
1990   1
1991   0
1992   1
1993   1
1994   1
1995   1
1996   0
1997   1
1998   1
1999   0
2000   0
2001   0
2002   0
2003   0
2004   0
2005   1
2006   0
2007   0
2008   1
2009   0
2010   0
2011   0
2012   1
2013   0
2014   0
2015   1
2016   1
2017   0
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 12:42:52 AM
Look at it from an economical view,

If you are taking loans to by stuff and never pay them back, what is gong to happen?

1) You are going to owe a lot of Money

2) The loans will balance themselves out and you will not owe anything.

Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: aisantaros on July 26, 2017, 01:15:19 AM
A graph of the years past from 1972 and the number of leap seconds added

(https://preview.ibb.co/duRK9k/Leap_Seconds_trend.jpg)[/url]

DATA

The years that leap seconds where added

Year   Leap Seconds
1972   2
1973   1
1974   1
1975   1
1976   1
1977   1
1978   1
1979   1
1980   0
1981   1
1982   1
1983   1
1984   0
1985   1
1986   0
1987   1
1988   0
1989   1
1990   1
1991   0
1992   1
1993   1
1994   1
1995   1
1996   0
1997   1
1998   1
1999   0
2000   0
2001   0
2002   0
2003   0
2004   0
2005   1
2006   0
2007   0
2008   1
2009   0
2010   0
2011   0
2012   1
2013   0
2014   0
2015   1
2016   1
2017   0


you showed an antomic clock SKIPPING a second.

Atomic clocks dont make the earth rotates slower

Show me the earth rotating slower by 27 sec since 1973 here :

Put up or shut up

Oh btw yesterday was 86400.0005597 sec long or s hour and 0.5597 ms thats not even longer by 1 sec ?

Almost like if this is true , right ? :D :

Length of the day today  86400.0005597 seconds thats the Universal time

International Atomic Time  86400 sec a day.

Difference: 0.0005597

remember we have this difference because of the definitions of a day in the two system Atomic time measures the day as 86400 si seconds and universal time refers to the Earth's rotation around its own axis.

What happens when that remains constant for a year ? Means no change in earth angular speed and other factors.

Lets count Days together !

Chose a fairly big number let pass 1787 day

In Atomic Time its : 86400.0005597*1787 = 154396800

In Universal Time : 86400.0005597*1787 = 154396801

Did you noticed something ? 154396801

Thats in red right there is your Leap second, that means we have to LEAP that second to allow Universal time to catch up with the day counting of Atomic time. And Earth not even slowed a bit in our example, we just had the initial difference based on the definitions.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: Pezevenk on July 26, 2017, 01:15:56 AM
If I use exponential rate, the news is even worse. I did the best scenario for you. You can't go any slower than a linear growth.

In order to decrease the rotation, it means that the angular acceleration is negative.

It is simple physics, are you saying that the physics behind angular motion is wrong, when it comes to debunk the heliocentric hypothesis.

You know, I'm going to spot calling it hypothesis hypothesis and start calling it hypothesis fair-tail.

If days are slowing at an exponential rate, it's not "worse", it's much, much "better". It would mean that the rate with which the rotation slowed down in the past used to be much lower.

But all that is pretty irrelevant. I explained where you go wrong in the other thread.


If this is true, then it would also mean the same for the speed of light. Do you want to go down that road?

Can you please show me an angular acceleration of deceleration in the real world, where we have it in as an experiential rate

As an answer to your last question, off the top of my head, damped oscillations. Also air resistance (since it is dependent on velocity).

I don't know what the speed of light has to do with this.

Also I did not argue that the deceleration of the earth's rotation is exponential.

oscillation

plural noun: oscillations
1.
movement back and forth in a regular rhythm.

In the last 44 years, that is from the time that it was important to have accurate time, we have been adding leap seconds, never removing them.  Not even once did they subtract a second.

This is not an oscillation, but a pure linear movement!!

I see you are extremely confused.

I mentioned oscillations and loss of speed due to air resistance because you wanted a real world example of something decelerating/decaying at an exponential rate. Which is largely irrelevant.

I have no idea what "linear movement" you're talking about.

Now please stop ignoring what I'm telling you. When the clocks were first set up, back in 19something, a day was already not exactly 24 hours. It was a few milliseconds more than that.

Check this out: https://www.timeanddate.com/time/earth-rotation.html

Because the Earth has slowed down a bit from the 18th century, when a day actually was very close to 24 hours, even if now the slowing down stops completely, we'd still have to add leap seconds. According to the website I posted, yesterday a day was about 24 hours and 0.57ms. And the prediction for today is 24 hours and 0.65ms, which means that even if the period of the earth's rotation was kept perfectly as it is today, we'd still have to add leap seconds every 1529.25 days.

Check the table in the website. There's a table that shows the average length of the day, the total yearly excess and the leap seconds that had to be added as a consequence for every year since 1973. The table also shows that the earth has actually SPED UP since 1973.

I really don't know how much more clear I have to make this.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 01:25:21 AM
Quote
you showed an antomic clock SKIPPING a second.

NO, the way that the earth can't keep up with the atomic clock!

Stop trying to weasel your way out of this meas you are in.

The atomic clocks lose a second every 100 million years.

The earths rotation can't keep up it's speed when compared to the atomic clock  and that is why we have a leap second!!!

The Earth is spinning slower, thus in the past it was spinning faster!!!

Busted!!!
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 01:26:52 AM
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: Edge_Loop on July 26, 2017, 02:10:22 AM
You are proving one thing to me... and it's not the earth being flat.

Have you noticed how few of your fellow flat earthers are supporting your arguments? You are actually setting them back.

You have turned this forum from a place for interisting debate to a one man freak show that makes flat earthers appear ignorant and possibly insane.

But I'm sure you will fail to comprehend what I've just written and either ignore it or come back with irrelevant gibberish...
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 02:22:20 AM
The simple math has proven your hypothesis wrong.

You may be able to bullshit your way out off every technical subject, but this is pure simple angular acceleration problem.

SE have stated that it's not 1 second, but a millisecond to defend their religion, but actual video from scientific centers that keep time, disproves this notion. It was a full second, not a mill-second!

I have taken the fight to you! I did not wait to be attacked and then defended my self, but instead I attacked your hypothesis and proved to be false!!!

I have attacked your ideology and you have lost.

The way this forum was, FE would say something and you would attack him like a wolf pack does. You would come from all different angles and send him on a wild goose chase to prove you wrong. It was a smart strategy, but it did not work for this big problem that you have.

Now the tables have turned with simple angular acceleration that any high school student must solve to enter the Greek University.

The math does not lie and you have no defense to combat this, so if you can't hit the math, you hit the person that is talking about the math.

It's time to face reality!

Have a nice day and enjoy God's creation of a Flat, non motionless earth!!!

Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: Edge_Loop on July 26, 2017, 02:37:05 AM
So you chose the irrelevant gibberish option then.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 02:43:23 AM
So you chose the irrelevant gibberish option then.

Putting your head in the ground, will not make the problem disappear.

When your hypothesis is destroyed, then you call it "gibberish"!

It;s like when Hilary lost and said, that it was not her fault, but the "deplorable's" and the Russians changing our elections that caused her to lose>

May style of defense, bullshit!!!
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: Edge_Loop on July 26, 2017, 02:44:39 AM
I have been made the Master Representative for the SE Confederation.

On behalf of our leading council, I offer you our surrender.

You are correct, the earth is flat, and we cannot deny it anymore. We have buckled under the weight of your incredible intellect.

Now please go away.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis "busted" with outright lies!!!
Post by: JackBlack on July 26, 2017, 02:50:34 AM
You are wrong and trying to confuse the people that read this thread.
No. You are wrong and are just blatantly lying to people.

We stopped our watches for 1 second on December 31, 2016 to give time for the earth to come in position!
Yes, to bring it in sync.

My math is correct
No it isn't.

Let me put it in a way that you can understand, a day has 24 hours - Yes
1 hour has 60 minutes and 1 minute has 60 seconds
therefore a day has 86,400 seconds.
If we add 1 second, that means that the day has 86,401 seconds instead of 86,400 seconds.
That means that the earth needed more time to make 1 revolution.
No it didn't. It means it was making slightly less than 1 revolution per day and that had accumulated to an extra second.
It doesn't mean Earth is slowing down.

A graph of the years past from 1972 and the number of leap seconds added

Perhaps you would prefer this graph, by way of a google drive spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_sFabNEpyH-rOUC93v7XiKGj2zkYELq-eaPpihxru4A/edit?usp=sharing

And some images for those who just want them:
(http://i.imgur.com/6i6VMHJ.png)

Notice how instead of just looking at number of leap years added, it looks at the average length of the day for that year (and for a 10 year period)?

Notice how it shows fluctuations in the length of the year?
Notice how now a linear trend shows the length of day (not leap seconds added) is decreasing?

If the number of leap seconds added was perfectly (well, slightly off perfect due to leap years) linear with the year, then it would indicate the length of the day is constant.

Perhaps this will make it easier to understand:
Each day is 86400 seconds. So a year is 31536000 seconds.
If they add a leap second, that means the year is 31536001 seconds, and thus the length of the day on average is 86400.0027 seconds.

If it was a leap year then it would get an extra day, so the year would be 31622400 s normally, or 31622401 s for a leap second, and the leap second makes the average length of the day 86400.0027 s (there isn't enough sig figs to show the difference between this and a normal year).

That means the average length of a day in 2016, when they added a leap year was 86400.0027 seconds.
This also means the average length of a day in 2973 when they added a leap second was 86400.0027.

Notice how these are the same?

Now consider an alternative:
In 1973, they add a single leap second, making the year 31536001 seconds, and thus the length of the day on average is 86400.0027 seconds.
Then in 2016, they added 27 leap seconds (that year, so the clock would go 59, 60, 61, 62 ... 86, 00, making the year a total of 31622427 s, and thus the day an average of
86400.074 s.
Notice how now this is actually longer?

So notice how we haven't gained 27 s from those 27 leap seconds?

Notice how to actually get those 27 extra seconds for a year you would need to add 27 leap seconds in that year?

Notice how that would mean rather than a linear increase in the total number of leap seconds you would need an exponential increase in the total number of leap seconds to indicate what you want?

Going to admit you were wrong yet?
If not, are you at least going to respond to this rationally, addressing the issues raised?
If not, can you just leave the thread rather than continuing to spout the same refuted nonsense?
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 03:03:30 AM
What ever, I can't argue with you anymore, you are too exhausting...

You are wrong and you know it. The earth slowed down, they have to add  a second in order for the earth to be in sync with the atomic clock.

This is my last post in this Thread FOR TODAY.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: JackBlack on July 26, 2017, 03:23:56 AM
What ever, I can't argue with you anymore, you are too exhausting...
Is that because I keep refuting your bullshit, explaining why you are wrong?

You are wrong and you know it. The earth slowed down, they have to add  a second in order for the earth to be in sync with the atomic clock.
No, I'm not. I am quite correct that you are blatantly lying about it. Yes, Earth has slowed down, but not to the extent you claim.

A year today is not 27 seconds longer than it was in 2971 like you are claiming.

They have to periodically add leap seconds because a solar day (on average) is not 794243384928000 periods of the radiation corresponding to the hyperfine splitting of a Caesium 133 atom. It is ever so slightly longer.

I have shown quite well that that is not the case.

If you were to add a leap second every year, that doesn't mean the year is getting longer every year. It means the year is 1 second longer than 365 days (or 366 for a leap year).
If every year is that extra second longer, that means it is staying the same length, not increasing.

In order to show an increase in the length of the year from leap seconds added you need the number added each year to increase.

Either respond to what I have said and shown in a rational manner, or fuck off.
Start by telling us the average length of a day in 1972, 1973, 1976, 2015 and 2016.
Then tell us which one was longer, which was shorter and which were the same.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: Edge_Loop on July 26, 2017, 03:29:08 AM
Just leave him to it, the man clearly has issues. We can all see the massive holes in his logic and comprehension that lead him to misunderstand information and believe he is more intelligent than he is.

He isn't being willfully ignorant, he obviously has some kind of cognitive issues, so what is the point of debating with him?
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: savagepilot on July 26, 2017, 03:32:29 AM
Do I bother?  Is it worth the effort?  Yes, if only to see the outlandish response!

First, if you are trying to disprove RE, then we must use the RE model, so no whining about "but the earth doesn't rotate, proved you wrong!"  Okay?

Before we define a "day" we have to look at how time measurements were created.

How many hours have been defined as a "day?"  The man-made structure of time, hours/minutes/seconds, says there are exactly 24 hours in one "day."  Remember, the clock is an invention of MAN.  We could have just as easily said the "day" has 18 floombahs and 57 snaghorts.  But we don't, it's 24 hours.  That is the MAN-MADE definition.  But it turns out - wait for it - when the clock was invented centuries ago, it wasn't exactly precise, and doesn't account for minor variations in the Earth's orbit.  (Oh dear, that can of worms is being dealt with elsewhere.)

So how long does it take the Earth to rotate through 360 degrees?  The answer is 23 hours, 56 minutes, 4.0916 seconds.  "That's way off!" I hear you scream, "The Earth would have been rotating at the speed of light in 1625!"

It's called a "Sidereal Day" and is the amount of time the Earth takes to rotate as measured in relation to the fixed stars.  This time span fails to account for the motion of the Earth around the sun.  Instead of defining a "day" as one 360 degree spin, it is defined as the time elapsed for the sun to appear at the zenith from day to day.  Because the Earth has changed position since the last high noon, it takes a few minutes each day for the Earth to rotate a bit more so the sun again appears at the zenith.  We call this a Solar Day, and the time it takes is almost exactly 86,400 seconds, or 24 hours, zero minutes, and zero seconds.

We know you like pretty pictures.  Here's one showing the difference between a sidereal and solar day.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a6/Sidereal_Time_en.PNG)

I said "almost exactly."  The EXACT amount of time between two solar noons is 86,400.002 seconds.  The atomic clock measures a day as exactly 86,400.000 seconds, where one "second" is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom.  I suppose we could actually redefine a "second" and add a few periods of rotation to make a second just a bit longer so the clock day is 86,400.002 seconds.  But we don't, we add a "leap second."  Because, you see, after many days, that .002 second error adds up to about a second.  Now the clock is ahead of the Earth.

"Hah!  You proved the Earth is slowing down!"  No, son, be still.  I didn't.  I proved that the atomic clock is out of sync with the solar day.  The day does not change, but this error adds up.  So we stop the clock by one second every few years to let the error correct itself.

Your chart would, if you knew what you were talking about, would look more like this.

(https://callaghaninnovation.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/second-chart.jpg)

where UTC is the atomic time and UT1 is the actual time of day according to the Earth's rotation, and the chart shows the widening gap in DISPARITY between the two times, not an actual slowing of the Earth.  The leap second is added to bring them back to sync.

The first leap second, by the way, was added in 1972.  So according to your calculations, the Earth has only been slowing down since 1972?

I propose that we define a snaghort as 0.002 seconds.  Each day is now 24:00:00 and one snaghort.  That would eliminate the need for leap seconds, and the Earth's rotation vs man-made time won't befuddle FE kinfolks no more.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: savagepilot on July 26, 2017, 03:35:32 AM
Jack Black, you beat me to it.  While I was typing that out, you were doing the exact same thing.  See, IFE, peer review works!
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: JackBlack on July 26, 2017, 03:48:51 AM
Jack Black, you beat me to it.  While I was typing that out, you were doing the exact same thing.  See, IFE, peer review works!

Your one has a nicer graph, showing the actual reason for the leap second, and how it puts it in sync.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: rabinoz on July 26, 2017, 04:22:29 AM
What ever, I can't argue with you anymore, you are too exhausting...

You are wrong and you know it. The earth slowed down, they have to add  a second in order for the earth to be in sync with the atomic clock.

This is my last post in this Thread FOR TODAY.
We are not wrong and we know it!

The number of leap seconds seems too many to you because you are too lazy to read the whole story.

So many leap seconds are added because there are two clocks running at very slightly different rates.

One, UT1, based on the current rotation rate of the earth and the other, TAI, atomic clock time, counting out SI seconds based on the earth's rotation as determined prior to 1900.
So what leap seconds are doing is keeping out Universal Coordinated Time, UTC in step with UT1.
So there is over 70 years of accumulated difference.

Here is more detail on it:
The SI
Quote
second was . . . defined as:
the fraction  1/31,556,925.9747 of the tropical year for 1900 January 0 at 12 hours ephemeris time.

This definition was ratified by the Eleventh General Conference on Weights and Measures in 1960, which also established the International System of Units.

From: Wikipedia, Second (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second)
The length of tne second has to be maintained as defined according to the 1900 rotation rate of the earth because so many other units depend on the second.
But we now have atomic clocks far more stable than the slowly changing rate of the earth.
One option could simply to have kept a universal time using the SI sec using the atomic clocks. This would cause our clocks to gradually get out of step with "astronomical time"
So now we have these differing times.

So leap seconds are not correcting for changes in the current earth's rotation rate, but in the change since 1900 (or earlier).

Hence InFlatEarth's original premise and his conclusions are totally incorrect
The slowing of the earth's rotation only amounts to about 1.4 ms/century.

A real scientist might be able to word this better.

Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: Pezevenk on July 26, 2017, 05:39:32 AM
Since you ignored my post yet again, I will continue to post it until you stop ignoring it. There really isn't much more to be added.


Now please stop ignoring what I'm telling you. When the clocks were first set up, back in 19something, a day was already not exactly 24 hours. It was a few milliseconds more than that.

Check this out: https://www.timeanddate.com/time/earth-rotation.html

Because the Earth has slowed down a bit from the 18th century, when a day actually was very close to 24 hours, even if now the slowing down stops completely, we'd still have to add leap seconds. According to the website I posted, yesterday a day was about 24 hours and 0.57ms. And the prediction for today is 24 hours and 0.65ms, which means that even if the period of the earth's rotation was kept perfectly as it is today, we'd still have to add leap seconds every 1529.25 days.

Check the table in the website. There's a table that shows the average length of the day, the total yearly excess and the leap seconds that had to be added as a consequence for every year since 1973. The table also shows that the earth has actually SPED UP since 1973.

I really don't know how much more clear I have to make this.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 26, 2017, 05:47:11 AM
You have no common sense and the thread https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71430.0 (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71430.0) prove it.

When you need more time for an object to cover the same distance is it going faster, slower or the same?

This is not really hard to figure out!!! Any grade-school student can tell you the answer

I simply can't resist posting this video.

YOUR calculations in a nutshell


Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: aisantaros on July 26, 2017, 06:01:49 AM
You have no common sense and the thread https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71430.0 (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71430.0) prove it.

When you need more time for an object to cover the same distance is it going faster, slower or the same?

This is not really hard to figure out!!! Any grade-school student can tell you the answer

I simply can't resist posting this video.

YOUR calculations in a nutshell



Slower like around 0.5-2 millisecond, and that will accumulate over time to a leap second,as explained above. but that doesnt means that the earth slowed 1 sec. It will still go with 24 h + 0.5-2 ms
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: JackBlack on July 26, 2017, 02:04:39 PM
You have no common sense and the thread https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71430.0 (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71430.0) prove it.
No, that thread shows I do have common sense and will be convinced by evidence. If anything it shows you are the one lacking.
After all, I said that evidence would convince me. You then posted a hypothetical example of said evidence and claimed no one suggested that, even though it was covered by me.

When you need more time for an object to cover the same distance is it going faster, slower or the same?
This is not really hard to figure out!!! Any grade-school student can tell you the answer
That is right. Any grade-school student can tell you the answer.

If you needed 86400.0027 s for an average solar day in 1973, and you needed 9=86400.0027 s for an average solar day in 2016, is that more or less or the same time?
Does that mean Earth is going faster or slower?

If you continually need 101 seconds to complete a lap, does that mean you are going slower, just because you are 1 second over 100 s? NO!
The lap time remains the same.

I simply can't resist posting this video.
YOUR calculations in a nutshell
Nope. Closer to yours.

Again, the graphs of the average length of a day:
(http://i.imgur.com/6i6VMHJ.png)
Does that look like the length of the day is increasing? NO!

If Earth was slowing down like you claim, that would mean that 2016 would have needed 27 leap seconds, but instead it only got one, so it was exactly the same length as 1976. It was exactly one day longer than 1973.
It was less than one day longer than 1972.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: rabinoz on July 26, 2017, 04:02:20 PM
You have no common sense and the thread https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71430.0 (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71430.0) prove it.

When you need more time for an object to cover the same distance is it going faster, slower or the same?

This is not really hard to figure out!!! Any grade-school student can tell you the answer

What on earth are you talking about? The earth's rotation rate varies very slightly - agreed?
The rotation rate over the long term is increasing very very slowly (about 1.4 ms /century) - agreed?
The rotation rate over the short term is unpredictable
and hence leap seconds are not announced more than six months in advance.
And you have no case - just admit that you are wrong!
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 27, 2017, 01:19:31 AM
After studding JackBlack comment,  I redid the calculations by using physics and it turns out that I overestimated the earth rotation speed.

I admit it, that I was wrong.

JackBlack was the only one from the spherical group that had an idea on how to approach the problem, everybody else was just a bullshit artist saying that it was not a full second but a millisecond.

Nobody tried to put their ideas in a simple example of an angular velocity problem over time.

Below are the calculation

(https://image.ibb.co/bvhgqQ/Leap_second_2.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)

(https://image.ibb.co/dbmVjk/Leap_second_1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bvTzc5)


Now if the Spherical Earth believers think that it is OK, after all that energy that was released in the Big Bang, that threw the earth billion of miles to only have the earth rotate 5 times the speed of today's rotation, then I’m OK with it.

To me it does not make any common sense, that such an explosion would make the earth to rotate so slowly. Hey, but yesterday you proved that you don’t have any common sense in your group.

Now come the question about the conservation of angular momentum from the explosion.

Don’t forget that the dot was spinning very fast.

So we can deduce that the notion of a rapid spin of the dot is false, unless you have the physics to show what put the brakes on the earth to stop spinning.


I am not saying that their was not a braking system, I'm just curious as to what it was and the physics behind it.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: JackBlack on July 27, 2017, 03:25:34 AM
I admit it, that I was wrong.
Thank you.

Below are the calculation
I'm not sure exactly what you are calculating here.

Now if the Spherical Earth believers think that it is OK, after all that energy that was released in the Big Bang, that threw the earth billion of miles to only have the earth rotate 5 times the speed of today's rotation, then I’m OK with it.
Earth did not exist at the time of the big bang, so it wasn't thrown. It only formed roughly 5 billion years ago if I recall correctly, so that would only put it at roughly 3 times.
However, that still appears to be based upon a linear extrapolation, which will not necessarily hold for that length of time.

It also wouldn't mean much. The centrifugal force for Earth at the equator works out to be roughly 0.3% of gravity if I recall correctly. (F=omega^2*r, omega=2*pi/T=2*pi/86400=7.27e-5 rad/s.
Thus F=(7.27e-5)^2*6371000=0.03 m/s^2. Gravity is roughly 10 m/s^2, thus the centrifugal force is roughly 0.3% of gravity).
It is proportional to the angular velocity squared. So multiplying it, even by 5, only increases it by a factor of 25, which brings it up to 7.5%.
So gravity still wins by a very large margin and thus things still stay on Earth.

A 100 kg person would appear to weigh roughly 93 kg.

To me it does not make any common sense, that such an explosion would make the earth to rotate so slowly. Hey, but yesterday you proved that you don’t have any common sense in your group.
Firstly, the big bang wasn't an explosion, it was an expansion of space time.
Secondly, and far more importantly, why would that impart angular momentum?
It is effectively pushing everything outwards. No rotation.

In order to provide rotation it needs to spin one part one way and another part the other way.

Don’t forget that the dot was spinning very fast.
Says who?

So we can deduce that the notion of a rapid spin of the dot is false, unless you have the physics to show what put the brakes on the earth to stop spinning.
I would say that rapid spinning dot is likely false.

As for what puts the brakes on Earth, that would be the moon. Earth doesn't simply lose angular momentum, it transfers it to the moon extending its orbit. That was already pointed out to you.

A brief explanation:
The moon is orbiting Earth, while Earth rotates.
The water on the surface of Earth is somewhat free to move.
The moon exerts a tidal force on Earth and everything on it. This is because one side is closer and thus has more gravitational attraction than the other.
This causes the water to bulge out off Earth (i.e. tides).
But this water doesn't just stay there. It is still spinning with Earth. This means the bulge of water is slightly in front of the moon (measured along the direction of rotation/orbit). You can think of this as it getting pulled up in line with the moon only to move forward a bit due to Earth's rotation.
This makes Earth asymmetric, with a bulge slightly in front of the moon's path.
This in turn exerts a gravitational force on the moon, accelerating it along its orbit and in turn slowing Earth down.
This results in the moon going to a higher orbit and thus taking longer to orbit. This process transfers angular momentum from Earth to the moon.

This makes it a complicated effect.
It is dependent upon the strength of the tidal forces, which is dependent upon the distance between the moon and Earth and thus on the time (as the moon moves further away over time, where this rate varies based upon the strength of the force between the tides and the moon and the size of the moon's orbit). It is also dependent upon how far in front the tides are which is dependent upon the rotational speed of Earth.
I'm not sure what it would end up as.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: JackBlack on July 27, 2017, 03:58:43 AM
Also note another issue which causes less predictable changes:
Earth's surface is not smooth. It has mountains and the like.
If you were to take it from a smooth rocky ball with water on top and make a mountain and trench, then you would have mass sticking out. This would increase the moment of inertia and thus to conserve angular momentum Earth would need to rotate more slowly.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 27, 2017, 04:00:26 AM
Let me clarify my calculations.

For a circle to make 1 revolution, it needs to go threw 360 degrees or 2pi or 6.283 rad

A year has 365.25 Days, so a Day has 6.283 rad
In 1 year we have 365.25 days times 6.283 rad = 2294.933 rad

1 day has 86400 sec and a year has 31,557,600 sec

From 1972 till 2016 we have 44 years

In 44 years we have  1,388,534,427 sec (including the 27 leap second) and we have traveled by 100,977.071 rad

The angular velocity originally is 6.283 rad  / 86400 sec = 7.272205216643E-05   rad/sec

The angular velocity after 44 years is the distance traveled divided by the time needed

100,977.071 rad / 1,388,534,427 sec = 7.272205075235E-05   rad/sec

Final angular velocity = Initial angular velocity + angular acceleration * Time

We get an angular deceleration of 1.018396E-21 rad/sec^2 for the 44 year duration.

So, if you put the numbers back to the equation and since acceleration is the opposite of deceleration ...

You get the table below.

Now is their any problem with my math?

Let's talk about conservation of angular momentum in the thread

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71441.0
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: aisantaros on July 27, 2017, 04:11:29 AM
Let me clarify my calculations.

For a circle to make 1 revolution, it needs to go threw 360 degrees or 2pi or 6.283 rad

A year has 365.25 Days, so a Day has 6.283 rad
In 1 year we have 365.25 days times 6.283 rad = 2294.933 rad

1 day has 86400 sec and a year has 31,557,600 sec

From 1972 till 2016 we have 44 years

In 44 years we have  1,388,534,427 sec (including the 27 leap second) and we have traveled by 100,977.071 rad

The angular velocity originally is 6.283 rad  / 86400 sec = 7.272205216643E-05   rad/sec

The angular velocity after 44 years is the distance traveled divided by the time needed

100,977.071 rad / 1,388,534,427 sec = 7.272205075235E-05   rad/sec

Final angular velocity = Initial angular velocity + angular acceleration * Time

We get an angular deceleration of 1.018396E-21 rad/sec^2 for the 44 year duration.

So, if you put the numbers back to the equation and since acceleration is the opposite of deceleration ...

You get the table below.

Now is their any problem with my math?

Let's talk about conservation of angular momentum in the thread

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71441.0

Yes namely the current application of leap second have NOTHING to do with the earth slowing down but everything to do between the already present different between Atomic Time and Universal time.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 27, 2017, 04:16:44 AM
Let me clarify my calculations.

For a circle to make 1 revolution, it needs to go threw 360 degrees or 2pi or 6.283 rad

A year has 365.25 Days, so a Day has 6.283 rad
In 1 year we have 365.25 days times 6.283 rad = 2294.933 rad

1 day has 86400 sec and a year has 31,557,600 sec

From 1972 till 2016 we have 44 years

In 44 years we have  1,388,534,427 sec (including the 27 leap second) and we have traveled by 100,977.071 rad

The angular velocity originally is 6.283 rad  / 86400 sec = 7.272205216643E-05   rad/sec

The angular velocity after 44 years is the distance traveled divided by the time needed

100,977.071 rad / 1,388,534,427 sec = 7.272205075235E-05   rad/sec

Final angular velocity = Initial angular velocity + angular acceleration * Time

We get an angular deceleration of 1.018396E-21 rad/sec^2 for the 44 year duration.

So, if you put the numbers back to the equation and since acceleration is the opposite of deceleration ...

You get the table below.

Now is their any problem with my math?

Let's talk about conservation of angular momentum in the thread

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71441.0

Yes namely the current application of leap second have NOTHING to do with the earth slowing down but everything to do between the already present different between Atomic Time and Universal time.

No you are wrong, the atomic time will lose 1 second in 100 million years.

Universal time, is the time that it takes for the earth to rotate once on it's access.

If the earth did not slow down, then both the Atomic time and the Universal time would be in sync.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: aisantaros on July 27, 2017, 04:23:05 AM
Let me clarify my calculations.

For a circle to make 1 revolution, it needs to go threw 360 degrees or 2pi or 6.283 rad

A year has 365.25 Days, so a Day has 6.283 rad
In 1 year we have 365.25 days times 6.283 rad = 2294.933 rad

1 day has 86400 sec and a year has 31,557,600 sec

From 1972 till 2016 we have 44 years

In 44 years we have  1,388,534,427 sec (including the 27 leap second) and we have traveled by 100,977.071 rad

The angular velocity originally is 6.283 rad  / 86400 sec = 7.272205216643E-05   rad/sec

The angular velocity after 44 years is the distance traveled divided by the time needed

100,977.071 rad / 1,388,534,427 sec = 7.272205075235E-05   rad/sec

Final angular velocity = Initial angular velocity + angular acceleration * Time

We get an angular deceleration of 1.018396E-21 rad/sec^2 for the 44 year duration.

So, if you put the numbers back to the equation and since acceleration is the opposite of deceleration ...

You get the table below.

Now is their any problem with my math?

Let's talk about conservation of angular momentum in the thread

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71441.0

Yes namely the current application of leap second have NOTHING to do with the earth slowing down but everything to do between the already present different between Atomic Time and Universal time.

No you are wrong, the atomic time will lose 1 second in 100 million years.

Universal time, is the time that it takes for the earth to rotate once on it's access.

If the earth did not slow down, then both the Atomic time and the Universal time would be in sync.

Actually the earth rotation was never ever exactly matched 86400 si seconds (well maybe on some lucky days but not constantly), so no they not be in sync, from earthquakes to celestial bodies passing by there are several factor causing irregularities in earth rotation, the fact that the earth is slowing down is just one factor.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 27, 2017, 04:24:19 AM
So that Rolex that I have is a peace of shit...
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: aisantaros on July 27, 2017, 04:32:00 AM
So that Rolex that I have is a peace of shit...

Actually they were pretty shitty in the seventies, but still the best tool watches around.
Anyway mechanical watches sure "shittier" even then earth rotation, mines even in COSC standards deviate +- 5 secs daily, some older ones can go off 20-50 sec.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: JackBlack on July 27, 2017, 04:40:24 AM
The angular velocity originally is 6.283 rad  / 86400 sec = 7.272205216643E-05   rad/sec
No it wasn't. Prior to the introduction of leap seconds we didn't have time synchronised anywhere near as well.
We didn't care about the leap second.

When we decided to make it all official and rigidly set, atomic clock times were already 10 seconds ahead, and we just stuck that into the definition. Atomic time is currently 37 s ahead of UTC, the 27 leap seconds and the 10 extra seconds.
It was only 1955 when they started using them and 1958 when they set it to try and match an equivalent of UTC, based upon impefect observations. Leap seconds were introduced roughly 10 years later (technically 14, with 2 leap seconds added at the start) and UTC was set to 10 s ahead of atomic time.
This was also done without taking into consideration gravitational time dilation, meaning the various clocks used were ticking at different rates. So atomic time wasn't even counting the seconds exactly.

This indicates that even during that time, the Earth was still spinning at pretty much the exact same rate.

If you did want to try and figure out a day that was 86400 s 1972 is not the right year.
Instead it would be based upon what the SI tried to model it off, which was Dec 31st 1899.
But even that wasn't constant as it shifted what it was trying to model, first making a second based upon one fraction of a tropical year, then using a slightly different fraction, before just setting it to atomic time.
So even then you likely didn't have exactly 86400 s in a day.

So while the math may be correct, what you are measuring/assuming is not.

We simply haven't been measuring atomic time for long enough to be able to try and develop an empirical model (i.e. one based purely upon the numbers) to try and figure out how fast Earth was spinning ages ago. You definitely wont know if it is linear or exponential or logarithmic and so on. They all approximate linear functions for small scales (every continuous function does).

If the earth did not slow down, then both the Atomic time and the Universal time would be in sync.
Only if they started based upon the length of a day being exactly 86400 s, which it didn't.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 27, 2017, 04:46:52 AM
The angular velocity originally is 6.283 rad  / 86400 sec = 7.272205216643E-05   rad/sec
No it wasn't. Prior to the introduction of leap seconds we didn't have time synchronised anywhere near as well.
We didn't care about the leap second.

When we decided to make it all official and rigidly set, atomic clock times were already 10 seconds ahead, and we just stuck that into the definition. Atomic time is currently 37 s ahead of UTC, the 27 leap seconds and the 10 extra seconds.
It was only 1955 when they started using them and 1958 when they set it to try and match an equivalent of UTC, based upon impefect observations. Leap seconds were introduced roughly 10 years later (technically 14, with 2 leap seconds added at the start) and UTC was set to 10 s ahead of atomic time.
This was also done without taking into consideration gravitational time dilation, meaning the various clocks used were ticking at different rates. So atomic time wasn't even counting the seconds exactly.

This indicates that even during that time, the Earth was still spinning at pretty much the exact same rate.

If you did want to try and figure out a day that was 86400 s 1972 is not the right year.
Instead it would be based upon what the SI tried to model it off, which was Dec 31st 1899.
But even that wasn't constant as it shifted what it was trying to model, first making a second based upon one fraction of a tropical year, then using a slightly different fraction, before just setting it to atomic time.
So even then you likely didn't have exactly 86400 s in a day.

So while the math may be correct, what you are measuring/assuming is not.

We simply haven't been measuring atomic time for long enough to be able to try and develop an empirical model (i.e. one based purely upon the numbers) to try and figure out how fast Earth was spinning ages ago. You definitely wont know if it is linear or exponential or logarithmic and so on. They all approximate linear functions for small scales (every continuous function does).

If the earth did not slow down, then both the Atomic time and the Universal time would be in sync.
Only if they started based upon the length of a day being exactly 86400 s, which it didn't.

Is the earth slowing down or spinning up.

I have presented data that shows that it is slowing down.

If you want to say that this data is wrong, then show your data that proves me wrong.

I have given you a reference frame where the standard is accurate to 1 second in 100 million years, and based on this standard in 44 years, it lost 27 seconds.




Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: JackBlack on July 27, 2017, 05:39:07 AM
Is the earth slowing down or spinning up.
On average it is slowing down.

I have presented data that shows that it is slowing down.
No you haven't. You presented data that shows that it takes slightly longer than 85400 s to complete an average solar day.

I have given you a reference frame where the standard is accurate to 1 second in 100 million years, and based on this standard in 44 years, it lost 27 seconds.
Yes, the standard is accurate to 1 second in 100 million years, i.e. that is how much the clock can drift by.
But the length of the day is not.
The length of the average solar day has never been measured to 86400.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 s exactly based upon an atomic clock. Instead it has been measured to fewer sig figs.

Thus you have no basis for claiming it has not lost 27 seconds in 44 years.
Instead if anything the data showed that Earth is speeding up slightly, reducing the length of the day (as my graph showed).
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: Pezevenk on July 27, 2017, 06:37:35 AM
After studding JackBlack comment,  I redid the calculations by using physics and it turns out that I overestimated the earth rotation speed.

I admit it, that I was wrong.

JackBlack was the only one from the spherical group that had an idea on how to approach the problem, everybody else was just a bullshit artist saying that it was not a full second but a millisecond.


I told you THE EXACT SAME FUCKING THING AS JACK BLACK a million times and you ignored it a million times. Good job.

Don't try to claim I didn't, I can quote the exact post.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: test123 on July 27, 2017, 07:23:22 AM
Based on what you're saying a day should have 24 hours and 27 seconds, which does not.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: InFlatEarth on July 27, 2017, 07:55:56 AM
Based on what you're saying a day should have 24 hours and 27 seconds, which does not.

You need to review the angular velocity equations, as did.

The 27 seconds in withing 44 years.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: Lonegranger on July 27, 2017, 03:41:15 PM
Evolution is pure bullshit and so is the Heliocentric Hypothesis and below is the mathematically proof:

Evolution is to have taken billions of years to happen and life on earth set foot some 300 million years. I believe that this is what “Scientist” say?

In order for Evolution to happen, you need the Earth to also be at least 300 million years old

Let’s do the math

Have you heard of leap year, every 4 years we add a date to the calendar (February 29).

There is also something called leap second.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second

Since this system of correction was implemented in 1972, 27 leap seconds have been inserted, the most recent on December 31, 2016 at 23:59:60 UTC

So the rate that the leap second is added is

27 seconds / 44 years = 0.613636364 seconds/year
.

What does that actually means?

Last year the earth needed 0.614 seconds to complete it’s revolution.

Than in turn means that last year was spinning faster than this year.

Let extrapolate the math at this rate:


(https://preview.ibb.co/nG00h5/Leap_second.jpg) (https://ibb.co/miPRN5)

We see that in the bible timeline, the earth rotation is very close to our about 23 hours in a day, but at 140,800 years, the earth spins at 60 RPM, that is 60 revolutions per minute.

At 1 million years ago, the earth rotated at a rate of about 480 RPM
At 100 million years ago, the earth rotated at a rate of 42,613.6 RPM

But let me guess, gravity was much stronger back them and kept everything in place…

Busted!!!

PS. Carbon dating, and rock dating work on a linear calculations!!!

If it is a scientific method for Spherical Earthers, then it's good for Flat Earthers...

Now I've read some mad stuff on these forums...but this op contribution must qualify for maddest post of the millennium......i think it even beats poor old Skepti DET rant and the John Davis edible genetically modified penguin burger mind trip.

Question...does the flat earth community do a side line of selling hallucinogenic drugs?
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: JackBlack on July 27, 2017, 03:55:41 PM
The 27 seconds in withing 44 years.
Yes, 27 seconds in 44 years is how much a rotation is off from the ideal 86400 seconds.
It does not indicate Earth is slowing.
It just means they didn't get it perfect when defining the second.
Title: Re: Heliocentric Hypothesis busted with mathematics and the moon!!!
Post by: rabinoz on July 27, 2017, 07:15:55 PM
Based on what you're saying a day should have 24 hours and 27 seconds, which does not.

You need to review the angular velocity equations, as did.

The 27 seconds in withing 44 years.
The 27 seconds is not a 27 second change in day length, but a 27 sec accumulated time difference between UT1, astronomical time, and TAI, International Atomic Time, over 44 years. TAi is counting seconds using the SI second defined from a Solar year in about 1900.
This amounts to 27 secs over 16,071 days or an average of 1.7 ms/day difference between the two "clocks".

This 1.7 ms/day accumulated over about 98 years, or very close to 1.7 ms/day per century.

By the way, I used "average" where I should have done some simple integration, but the end result should be the same.

The whole point is that the "leap seconds" are not due so much to current changes rate of rotation being as high as you claim, but from having two clocks, one running at astronomical time, UT1, and one running at Atomic Time, TAI, counting off SI seconds.

Even if the earth's rotation rate stayed constant at current value these two clocks would still be running with this very slightly different rates of 1.7 ms/day.

I hope my "back of envelope" calculations are correct.