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Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 06:42:24 AM
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I've found that people who use science and those who believe in a religion have different ways of thinking. This results in both thinking that the other side is misinformed and/or ignorant. Both sides know that they are right and the other is wrong. Me, being agnostic, would like to ask what convinces you of the existence of a God? I will then try to see your answer from your point of thinking, and provide you evidence that may help you see things from my point of thinking. I truly do hope this will be a constructive conversation.
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If you are seeking a meaning for God as an entity (we must see) to believe in, then I have no answer for that, nor do I think God can be symbolized or contained!
But when you look into the opposite concept of God which represents the “ALL Goodness”, then what convinced me of the existence of God was; questioning what would it be like if God (Goodness) weren’t there, and how would we interact as humans in the absence of goodness.
If you believe in the goodness in yourself, then you believe in God!
And if you judge yourself and correct before God judges you > you are saved!
I believe in God because He never asked for anything in return for believing in Him! All that He asked to help those in need, if we can.
I believe in God when thinking of death and of what could be on the other side > because if there weren’t a law holder to judge the oppressor and the oppressed and give each its right of what have they done or gained in life, then the murderer and the victim should be equal in our eyes, and that definitely would defy logic!
Logic would tell me the God that would judge me when I die couldn’t be but fair, or logic itself would fall and crumble!
Logic would also tell me that God cannot be but merciful, because if God would take us on every little sin we do, then only few of us would make it to heaven and it would be a big waste of space!
When you die, God would not ask how much money you had in your bank account > he’d ask how you made your money and how you spent it!
God will not ask what degree in science you held > He’ll ask how you used the knowledge you received!
Believing in God is believing in Good & Bad! > When you do something good, God shall be present with you, and when you do something bad, you have concealed yourself from the presence of God!
So, God MUST exist > or logic wouldn’t exist!
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If you are seeking a meaning for God as an entity (we must see) to believe in, then I have no answer for that, nor do I think God can be symbolized or contained!
But when you look into the opposite concept of God which represents the “ALL Goodness”, then what convinced me of the existence of God was; questioning what would it be like if God (Goodness) weren’t there, and how would we interact as humans in the absence of goodness.
If you believe in the goodness in yourself, then you believe in God!
And if you judge yourself and correct before God judges you > you are saved!
I believe in God because He never asked for anything in return for believing in Him! All that He asked to help those in need, if we can.
I believe in God when thinking of death and of what could be on the other side > because if there weren’t a law holder to judge the oppressor and the oppressed and give each its right of what have they done or gained in life, then the murderer and the victim should be equal in our eyes, and that definitely would defy logic!
Logic would tell me the God that would judge me when I die couldn’t be but fair, or logic itself would fall and crumble!
Logic would also tell me that God cannot be but merciful, because if God would take us on every little sin we do, then only few of us would make it to heaven and it would be a big waste of space!
When you die, God would not ask how much money you had in your bank account > he’d ask how you made your money and how you spent it!
God will not ask what degree in science you held > He’ll ask how you used the knowledge you received!
Believing in God is believing in Good & Bad! > When you do something good, God shall be present with you, and when you do something bad, you have concealed yourself from the presence of God!
So, God MUST exist > or logic wouldn’t exist!
But goodness could exist without God. To assist our survival in the earlier years of man, we were given empathy, the ability to feel for others so that we could group and work together, fending for eachother. It's why it is so difficult to watch a surgery done on TV, as you imagine yourself having your own stomach, or other area, cut open. This is what keeps us from killing and torturing others. The people who do kill and torture others have one of two possibilities. One: They are truly insane or have some mental disorder Ex: Jeffrey Dahmer. Two: They have some how dehumanized the person they are harming Ex: Adolf Hitler and the Nazis.
The brain is what gives us consciousness, and when the brain dies or shuts down, there is nothing "fueling" the senses, or our thought process, and thus we are unaware of anything when we die. The murderer and victim would certainly not be equal in our eyes, as one has taken away the others short time in the world. The murderer should be punished for showing a lack of empathy for life and the beauty and fragileness of it.
Logic would exist without God. The cerebral cortex, or the "root" of our brain is where higher and more critical thinking comes in.
I could not agree more that you should do good in your life for yourself and others, however humans would still have goodness and logic without the need of a God.
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So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!
In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!
When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.
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So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!
In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!
When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.
Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.
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I believe in God when thinking of death and of what could be on the other side > because if there weren’t a law holder to judge the oppressor and the oppressed and give each its right of what have they done or gained in life, then the murderer and the victim should be equal in our eyes, and that definitely would defy logic!
Except that the murderer and the victim are equal in case the victim is a homosexual, isn't it?
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I believe in God when thinking of death and of what could be on the other side > because if there weren’t a law holder to judge the oppressor and the oppressed and give each its right of what have they done or gained in life, then the murderer and the victim should be equal in our eyes, and that definitely would defy logic!
Except that the murderer and the victim are equal in case the victim is a homosexual, isn't it?
“Whoever kills a soul unlawfully, as if he’d killed all the people, and whoever revived it, as if he had revived all the people.”
Homosexuality is an act against the will of God, because God meant for opposite sexes to mate and not for the same, so humanity would continue.
You will be judged for your actions in life, and you will be given your rights, as well, and each has its value and cost > or God simply would not be fair!
God puts the laws and God judges by the laws > never anywhere God commanded us to kill someone who committed an act against His will > He’ll be the judge of that when that someone stands before Him!
On the other hand; God says the killer should be killed (by the hands of the law), even after a time! > That is the right of the victim in life, and he shall also get his rights from God in the afterlife!
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I believe in God when thinking of death and of what could be on the other side > because if there weren’t a law holder to judge the oppressor and the oppressed and give each its right of what have they done or gained in life, then the murderer and the victim should be equal in our eyes, and that definitely would defy logic!
Except that the murderer and the victim are equal in case the victim is a homosexual, isn't it?
“Whoever kills a soul unlawfully, as if he’d killed all the people, and whoever revived it, as if he had revived all the people.”
You are a sad example of what religion does to people. It's like a brain decease. You don't need "god" to know that murder is wrong. But you need god to come to a conclusion that an act that does not harm anybody is equal to murder. Also, we both know, you're a fag. Enjoy your life, dude (but try to get the cute little boys out of your head).
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So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!
In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!
When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.
Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.
Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?
Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!
If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?
Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.
You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!
Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!
Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!
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I believe in God when thinking of death and of what could be on the other side > because if there weren’t a law holder to judge the oppressor and the oppressed and give each its right of what have they done or gained in life, then the murderer and the victim should be equal in our eyes, and that definitely would defy logic!
Except that the murderer and the victim are equal in case the victim is a homosexual, isn't it?
“Whoever kills a soul unlawfully, as if he’d killed all the people, and whoever revived it, as if he had revived all the people.”
You are a sad example of what religion does to people. It's like a brain decease. You don't need "god" to know that murder is wrong. But you need god to come to a conclusion that an act that does not harm anybody is equal to murder. Also, we both know, you're a fag. Enjoy your life, dude (but try to get the cute little boys out of your head).
And how did you come to that conclusion, you idiot?
Where does it say "is equal to murder", you retarded moron?
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So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!
In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!
When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.
Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.
Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?
Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!
If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?
Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.
You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!
Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!
Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!
It is not what I prefer to believe, it is what the facts and evidence show us. The universe does have laws governing it, and this is part of what keeps the universe from going into chaos. The other part that keeps the universe from chaos, is that it is not a closed system. Chaos only takes place in a closed system (Unless you have an example of when it does not). We are not perfect and have flaws that an all knowing designer would not have overlooked. An atom of a certain element can have a degree of different electrons and/or neutrons without changing what material it is. I'm still not sure what is good and what is bad according to God.
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...idiot!... moron!
Earnestly, you could live a happy, fulfilled life. Find a nice guy! Fall in love, and you will see, Jesus is not even a match for him.
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So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!
In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!
When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.
Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.
Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?
Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!
If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?
Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.
You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!
Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!
Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!
It is not what I prefer to believe, it is what the facts and evidence show us. The universe does have laws governing it, and this is part of what keeps the universe from going into chaos. The other part that keeps the universe from chaos, is that it is not a closed system. Chaos only takes place in a closed system (Unless you have an example of when it does not). We are not perfect and have flaws that an all knowing designer would not have overlooked. An atom of a certain element can have a degree of different electrons and/or neutrons without changing what material it is. I'm still not sure what is good and what is bad according to God.
You know; I had to flip my head upside down to understand the balded statement, but I failed to do so!
I even asked Google to analyze it > it had an instant shut-down!
Let me hear some scientists approve it, then we shall talk!
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So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!
In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!
When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.
Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.
Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?
Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!
If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?
Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.
You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!
Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!
Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!
It is not what I prefer to believe, it is what the facts and evidence show us. The universe does have laws governing it, and this is part of what keeps the universe from going into chaos. The other part that keeps the universe from chaos, is that it is not a closed system. Chaos only takes place in a closed system (Unless you have an example of when it does not). We are not perfect and have flaws that an all knowing designer would not have overlooked. An atom of a certain element can have a degree of different electrons and/or neutrons without changing what material it is. I'm still not sure what is good and what is bad according to God.
You know; I had to flip my head upside down to understand the balded statement, but I failed to do so!
I even asked Google to analyze it > it had an instant shut-down!
Let me hear some scientists approve it, then we shall talk!
You either have bad internet or did not try that hard:
http://www.livescience.com/21457-what-is-a-law-in-science-definition-of-scientific-law.html
http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/12/5-scientific-laws-and-the-scientists-behind-them/
Basically every scientist approves of these laws, as they are the basis of our scientific understanding of the universe.
Give me a scientist that approves of the idea of God, then we can talk. (Evidence also please)
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So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!
In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!
When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.
Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.
Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?
Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!
If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?
Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.
You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!
Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!
Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!
It is not what I prefer to believe, it is what the facts and evidence show us. The universe does have laws governing it, and this is part of what keeps the universe from going into chaos. The other part that keeps the universe from chaos, is that it is not a closed system. Chaos only takes place in a closed system (Unless you have an example of when it does not). We are not perfect and have flaws that an all knowing designer would not have overlooked. An atom of a certain element can have a degree of different electrons and/or neutrons without changing what material it is. I'm still not sure what is good and what is bad according to God.
You know; I had to flip my head upside down to understand the balded statement, but I failed to do so!
I even asked Google to analyze it > it had an instant shut-down!
Let me hear some scientists approve it, then we shall talk!
You either have bad internet or did not try that hard:
http://www.livescience.com/21457-what-is-a-law-in-science-definition-of-scientific-law.html
http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/12/5-scientific-laws-and-the-scientists-behind-them/
Basically every scientist approves of these laws, as they are the basis of our scientific understanding of the universe.
Give me a scientist that approves of the idea of God, then we can talk. (Evidence also please)
Oop's - my mistake > I read that statement "doesn't have laws", and that's why it did't make sense to me!!! Sorry, it's late where I am now!
I do agree that the universe is governed by laws from keeping it from chaos! 100%!
And that's what I was talking about; everything is governed by law and order > regardless if you believe or not that there is a higher force that holds that law and order,
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So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!
In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!
When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.
Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.
Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?
Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!
If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?
Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.
You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!
Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!
Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!
It is not what I prefer to believe, it is what the facts and evidence show us. The universe does have laws governing it, and this is part of what keeps the universe from going into chaos. The other part that keeps the universe from chaos, is that it is not a closed system. Chaos only takes place in a closed system (Unless you have an example of when it does not). We are not perfect and have flaws that an all knowing designer would not have overlooked. An atom of a certain element can have a degree of different electrons and/or neutrons without changing what material it is. I'm still not sure what is good and what is bad according to God.
You know; I had to flip my head upside down to understand the balded statement, but I failed to do so!
I even asked Google to analyze it > it had an instant shut-down!
Let me hear some scientists approve it, then we shall talk!
You either have bad internet or did not try that hard:
http://www.livescience.com/21457-what-is-a-law-in-science-definition-of-scientific-law.html
http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/12/5-scientific-laws-and-the-scientists-behind-them/
Basically every scientist approves of these laws, as they are the basis of our scientific understanding of the universe.
Give me a scientist that approves of the idea of God, then we can talk. (Evidence also please)
Oop's - my mistake > I read that statement "doesn't have laws", and that's why it did't make sense to me!!! Sorry, it's late where I am now!
I do agree that the universe is governed by laws from keeping it from chaos! 100%!
And that's what I was talking about; everything is governed by law and order > regardless if you believe or not that there is a higher force that holds that law and order,
Oh ok xD. So you believe that there is something governing the laws, and I don't. I'm not sure how either of us can prove to the other why there is or isn't something governing the laws, so unless you do, I think we have resolved this argument to the fullest we can. Thank you, this has been interesting.
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So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!
In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!
When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.
Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.
Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?
Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!
If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?
Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.
You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!
Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!
Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!
It is not what I prefer to believe, it is what the facts and evidence show us. The universe does have laws governing it, and this is part of what keeps the universe from going into chaos. The other part that keeps the universe from chaos, is that it is not a closed system. Chaos only takes place in a closed system (Unless you have an example of when it does not). We are not perfect and have flaws that an all knowing designer would not have overlooked. An atom of a certain element can have a degree of different electrons and/or neutrons without changing what material it is. I'm still not sure what is good and what is bad according to God.
You know; I had to flip my head upside down to understand the balded statement, but I failed to do so!
I even asked Google to analyze it > it had an instant shut-down!
Let me hear some scientists approve it, then we shall talk!
You either have bad internet or did not try that hard:
http://www.livescience.com/21457-what-is-a-law-in-science-definition-of-scientific-law.html
http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/12/5-scientific-laws-and-the-scientists-behind-them/
Basically every scientist approves of these laws, as they are the basis of our scientific understanding of the universe.
Give me a scientist that approves of the idea of God, then we can talk. (Evidence also please)
Oop's - my mistake > I read that statement "doesn't have laws", and that's why it did't make sense to me!!! Sorry, it's late where I am now!
I do agree that the universe is governed by laws from keeping it from chaos! 100%!
And that's what I was talking about; everything is governed by law and order > regardless if you believe or not that there is a higher force that holds that law and order,
Oh ok xD. So you believe that there is something governing the laws, and I don't. I'm not sure how either of us can prove to the other why there is or isn't something governing the laws, so unless you do, I think we have resolved this argument to the fullest we can. Thank you, this has been interesting.
I was going to bed, but after reading your response, I couldn't hold it till tomorrow!
I need not to prove there is something governing the laws, because you just proved that yourself!
If you believe there is a Law that keeps everything from chaos > the law couldn't have come from nothing or from chaos, because there is always someone who makes the laws and controls them!
We both agree there is law and there is order > then let's call the "LAW" > "GOD" - that keeps everything in order!
Good night... ;)
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If god exists, it is an effing son of a gun!
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So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!
In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!
When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.
Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.
Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?
Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!
If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?
Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.
You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!
Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!
Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!
It is not what I prefer to believe, it is what the facts and evidence show us. The universe does have laws governing it, and this is part of what keeps the universe from going into chaos. The other part that keeps the universe from chaos, is that it is not a closed system. Chaos only takes place in a closed system (Unless you have an example of when it does not). We are not perfect and have flaws that an all knowing designer would not have overlooked. An atom of a certain element can have a degree of different electrons and/or neutrons without changing what material it is. I'm still not sure what is good and what is bad according to God.
You know; I had to flip my head upside down to understand the balded statement, but I failed to do so!
I even asked Google to analyze it > it had an instant shut-down!
Let me hear some scientists approve it, then we shall talk!
You either have bad internet or did not try that hard:
http://www.livescience.com/21457-what-is-a-law-in-science-definition-of-scientific-law.html
http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/12/5-scientific-laws-and-the-scientists-behind-them/
Basically every scientist approves of these laws, as they are the basis of our scientific understanding of the universe.
Give me a scientist that approves of the idea of God, then we can talk. (Evidence also please)
Oop's - my mistake > I read that statement "doesn't have laws", and that's why it did't make sense to me!!! Sorry, it's late where I am now!
I do agree that the universe is governed by laws from keeping it from chaos! 100%!
And that's what I was talking about; everything is governed by law and order > regardless if you believe or not that there is a higher force that holds that law and order,
Oh ok xD. So you believe that there is something governing the laws, and I don't. I'm not sure how either of us can prove to the other why there is or isn't something governing the laws, so unless you do, I think we have resolved this argument to the fullest we can. Thank you, this has been interesting.
I was going to bed, but after reading your response, I couldn't hold it till tomorrow!
I need not to prove there is something governing the laws, because you just proved that yourself!
If you believe there is a Law that keeps everything from chaos > the law couldn't have come from nothing or from chaos, because there is always someone who makes the laws and controls them!
We both agree there is law and there is order > then let's call the "LAW" > "GOD" - that keeps everything in order!
Good night... ;)
Possible. However if the universe had no beginning, most likely explanation, then there never was anyone to create the laws, they formed themselves. If you believe that God is those laws, then I do believe in those laws, but I'm not so sure they are a conscious being, much less one who cares about us.
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Self aware entities can be creating from 'nothing' just like our universe. Perhaps God was one of these 'Boltzman Brains'..... In any event, given how vast the universe is, I highly doubt whatever God is, he gives a damn if 2 dudes want to get it on together.
In both everything and the 'nothing' in the universe, there on the Planck scale of things, there is a hive of activity going in. Perhaps there is a pattern to it that permeates the entire universe and we will never comprehend it. Perhaps on this scale is the workings of God.
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All gods were created by man and given the power to explain, fill in, excuse, cajole, condole and console the population that the god was intended to pacify.
Corn ain't growing so good. Corn god must be pissed off.
Let's kill a virgin.
A few years later the weather improves and corn grows better.
Cause and effect?
Nope. But, there is no end to other gods to appease . . .
Ever wonder why people think other's gods are a sham?
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So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!
In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!
When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.
Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.
Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?
Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!
If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?
Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.
You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!
Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!
Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!
It is not what I prefer to believe, it is what the facts and evidence show us. The universe does have laws governing it, and this is part of what keeps the universe from going into chaos. The other part that keeps the universe from chaos, is that it is not a closed system. Chaos only takes place in a closed system (Unless you have an example of when it does not). We are not perfect and have flaws that an all knowing designer would not have overlooked. An atom of a certain element can have a degree of different electrons and/or neutrons without changing what material it is. I'm still not sure what is good and what is bad according to God.
You know; I had to flip my head upside down to understand the balded statement, but I failed to do so!
I even asked Google to analyze it > it had an instant shut-down!
Let me hear some scientists approve it, then we shall talk!
You either have bad internet or did not try that hard:
http://www.livescience.com/21457-what-is-a-law-in-science-definition-of-scientific-law.html
http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/12/5-scientific-laws-and-the-scientists-behind-them/
Basically every scientist approves of these laws, as they are the basis of our scientific understanding of the universe.
Give me a scientist that approves of the idea of God, then we can talk. (Evidence also please)
Oop's - my mistake > I read that statement "doesn't have laws", and that's why it did't make sense to me!!! Sorry, it's late where I am now!
I do agree that the universe is governed by laws from keeping it from chaos! 100%!
And that's what I was talking about; everything is governed by law and order > regardless if you believe or not that there is a higher force that holds that law and order,
Oh ok xD. So you believe that there is something governing the laws, and I don't. I'm not sure how either of us can prove to the other why there is or isn't something governing the laws, so unless you do, I think we have resolved this argument to the fullest we can. Thank you, this has been interesting.
I was going to bed, but after reading your response, I couldn't hold it till tomorrow!
I need not to prove there is something governing the laws, because you just proved that yourself!
If you believe there is a Law that keeps everything from chaos > the law couldn't have come from nothing or from chaos, because there is always someone who makes the laws and controls them!
We both agree there is law and there is order > then let's call the "LAW" > "GOD" - that keeps everything in order!
Good night... ;)
Possible. However if the universe had no beginning, most likely explanation, then there never was anyone to create the laws, they formed themselves. If you believe that God is those laws, then I do believe in those laws, but I'm not so sure they are a conscious being, much less one who cares about us.
When I started a thread and asked few questions about the big bang theory, one of the scientific answers was that space was created after the explosion and space was formed within the explosion!
But, they couldn’t explain what was outside the explosion – in other words, that massive ball of energy that had exploded must’ve existed in something and must’ve came from somewhere! If space expands, it must expand in something, so what’s outside it?
No matter how you look at the issue, you shall always end up in singularity – a self-awareness realm that exists above and within everything.
I still don’t understand what people mean by “God doesn’t care about us”!!!
Let me ask you instead; do you care about yourself?
Have you tuned your biological clock to the universal one and lived in synchronicity with nature, or have you opposed the laws of nature and drifted away with your life into a chaotic state of awareness, where there are no family ties and no connection with the over-all awareness which gives power to the soul and to the heart?
Have you looked back into your life and realized where have you gone or done wrong, and have you tried to work harder to correct your path (repenting) – you can do that between you and yourself (you don’t have to confess to a priest)!
When you admit to yourself doing something wrong and feel sorry for what have you done, and have a desirable intent to do better, God will be there with you and feels with you, enlightens your way to see what’s right and what’s wrong and will open doors for you in life, you didn’t realize or notice before.
To make the connection with God/ your self-awareness, you have to be the initiative – the INTENT to be good, to be a better person, regardless of where or when you start. It’s never too late to correct our path in life – all that it takes is a spark and an initiative. You have to activate the god in you by making the connection.
Most people get the wrong idea about God, and that’s why they run away from Him > when, in fact, they will be running away from themselves!
God is not a boogeyman; God is the good part in you!
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God is not a boogeyman; God is the good part in you!
I don't believe in gods. Why can't you accept that and get on with your life?
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God is not a boogeyman; God is the good part in you!
I don't believe in gods. Why can't you accept that and get on with your life?
And why do I have to accept what you believe?
When a person doesn't believe and have trust in the good part in him, how does he expect others to listen to what he has to say or follow his footsteps?
If you don't believe you're a good person, that is your problem, and your problem alone not others!
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So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!
In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!
When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.
Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.
Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?
Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!
If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?
Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.
You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!
Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!
Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!
It is not what I prefer to believe, it is what the facts and evidence show us. The universe does have laws governing it, and this is part of what keeps the universe from going into chaos. The other part that keeps the universe from chaos, is that it is not a closed system. Chaos only takes place in a closed system (Unless you have an example of when it does not). We are not perfect and have flaws that an all knowing designer would not have overlooked. An atom of a certain element can have a degree of different electrons and/or neutrons without changing what material it is. I'm still not sure what is good and what is bad according to God.
You know; I had to flip my head upside down to understand the balded statement, but I failed to do so!
I even asked Google to analyze it > it had an instant shut-down!
Let me hear some scientists approve it, then we shall talk!
You either have bad internet or did not try that hard:
http://www.livescience.com/21457-what-is-a-law-in-science-definition-of-scientific-law.html
http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/12/5-scientific-laws-and-the-scientists-behind-them/
Basically every scientist approves of these laws, as they are the basis of our scientific understanding of the universe.
Give me a scientist that approves of the idea of God, then we can talk. (Evidence also please)
Oop's - my mistake > I read that statement "doesn't have laws", and that's why it did't make sense to me!!! Sorry, it's late where I am now!
I do agree that the universe is governed by laws from keeping it from chaos! 100%!
And that's what I was talking about; everything is governed by law and order > regardless if you believe or not that there is a higher force that holds that law and order,
Oh ok xD. So you believe that there is something governing the laws, and I don't. I'm not sure how either of us can prove to the other why there is or isn't something governing the laws, so unless you do, I think we have resolved this argument to the fullest we can. Thank you, this has been interesting.
I was going to bed, but after reading your response, I couldn't hold it till tomorrow!
I need not to prove there is something governing the laws, because you just proved that yourself!
If you believe there is a Law that keeps everything from chaos > the law couldn't have come from nothing or from chaos, because there is always someone who makes the laws and controls them!
We both agree there is law and there is order > then let's call the "LAW" > "GOD" - that keeps everything in order!
Good night... ;)
Possible. However if the universe had no beginning, most likely explanation, then there never was anyone to create the laws, they formed themselves. If you believe that God is those laws, then I do believe in those laws, but I'm not so sure they are a conscious being, much less one who cares about us.
When I started a thread and asked few questions about the big bang theory, one of the scientific answers was that space was created after the explosion and space was formed within the explosion!
But, they couldn’t explain what was outside the explosion – in other words, that massive ball of energy that had exploded must’ve existed in something and must’ve came from somewhere! If space expands, it must expand in something, so what’s outside it?
No matter how you look at the issue, you shall always end up in singularity – a self-awareness realm that exists above and within everything.
I still don’t understand what people mean by “God doesn’t care about us”!!!
Let me ask you instead; do you care about yourself?
Have you tuned your biological clock to the universal one and lived in synchronicity with nature, or have you opposed the laws of nature and drifted away with your life into a chaotic state of awareness, where there are no family ties and no connection with the over-all awareness which gives power to the soul and to the heart?
Have you looked back into your life and realized where have you gone or done wrong, and have you tried to work harder to correct your path (repenting) – you can do that between you and yourself (you don’t have to confess to a priest)!
When you admit to yourself doing something wrong and feel sorry for what have you done, and have a desirable intent to do better, God will be there with you and feels with you, enlightens your way to see what’s right and what’s wrong and will open doors for you in life, you didn’t realize or notice before.
To make the connection with God/ your self-awareness, you have to be the initiative – the INTENT to be good, to be a better person, regardless of where or when you start. It’s never too late to correct our path in life – all that it takes is a spark and an initiative. You have to activate the god in you by making the connection.
Most people get the wrong idea about God, and that’s why they run away from Him > when, in fact, they will be running away from themselves!
God is not a boogeyman; God is the good part in you!
I constantly try to make myself and others do better, but my initiative is not the belief in a God. My initiative is how short and valuable life is, and every generation is a new opportunity to give the next generation a better life. I feel very connected to the world, as we are not separate from it. We are made of the universe (Literally) and just because our consciousness and senses give us a relative perspective, does not separate us from the rest of the universe. I feel that the idea of a soul gives us each a oneness, which feels nice, but its not true. If you think that God is a part of you, then what is the point of calling it God and not just yourself.
What do you mean by a self awareness realm? Is it a system in the universe that is, itself, conscious?
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And why do I have to accept what you believe?
I do not have the clunky brass balls to ever suggest
you should ever believe what I believe.
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So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!
In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!
When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.
Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.
Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?
Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!
If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?
Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.
You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!
Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!
Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!
It is not what I prefer to believe, it is what the facts and evidence show us. The universe does have laws governing it, and this is part of what keeps the universe from going into chaos. The other part that keeps the universe from chaos, is that it is not a closed system. Chaos only takes place in a closed system (Unless you have an example of when it does not). We are not perfect and have flaws that an all knowing designer would not have overlooked. An atom of a certain element can have a degree of different electrons and/or neutrons without changing what material it is. I'm still not sure what is good and what is bad according to God.
You know; I had to flip my head upside down to understand the balded statement, but I failed to do so!
I even asked Google to analyze it > it had an instant shut-down!
Let me hear some scientists approve it, then we shall talk!
You either have bad internet or did not try that hard:
http://www.livescience.com/21457-what-is-a-law-in-science-definition-of-scientific-law.html
http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/12/5-scientific-laws-and-the-scientists-behind-them/
Basically every scientist approves of these laws, as they are the basis of our scientific understanding of the universe.
Give me a scientist that approves of the idea of God, then we can talk. (Evidence also please)
Oop's - my mistake > I read that statement "doesn't have laws", and that's why it did't make sense to me!!! Sorry, it's late where I am now!
I do agree that the universe is governed by laws from keeping it from chaos! 100%!
And that's what I was talking about; everything is governed by law and order > regardless if you believe or not that there is a higher force that holds that law and order,
Oh ok xD. So you believe that there is something governing the laws, and I don't. I'm not sure how either of us can prove to the other why there is or isn't something governing the laws, so unless you do, I think we have resolved this argument to the fullest we can. Thank you, this has been interesting.
I was going to bed, but after reading your response, I couldn't hold it till tomorrow!
I need not to prove there is something governing the laws, because you just proved that yourself!
If you believe there is a Law that keeps everything from chaos > the law couldn't have come from nothing or from chaos, because there is always someone who makes the laws and controls them!
We both agree there is law and there is order > then let's call the "LAW" > "GOD" - that keeps everything in order!
Good night... ;)
Possible. However if the universe had no beginning, most likely explanation, then there never was anyone to create the laws, they formed themselves. If you believe that God is those laws, then I do believe in those laws, but I'm not so sure they are a conscious being, much less one who cares about us.
When I started a thread and asked few questions about the big bang theory, one of the scientific answers was that space was created after the explosion and space was formed within the explosion!
But, they couldn’t explain what was outside the explosion – in other words, that massive ball of energy that had exploded must’ve existed in something and must’ve came from somewhere! If space expands, it must expand in something, so what’s outside it?
No matter how you look at the issue, you shall always end up in singularity – a self-awareness realm that exists above and within everything.
I still don’t understand what people mean by “God doesn’t care about us”!!!
Let me ask you instead; do you care about yourself?
Have you tuned your biological clock to the universal one and lived in synchronicity with nature, or have you opposed the laws of nature and drifted away with your life into a chaotic state of awareness, where there are no family ties and no connection with the over-all awareness which gives power to the soul and to the heart?
Have you looked back into your life and realized where have you gone or done wrong, and have you tried to work harder to correct your path (repenting) – you can do that between you and yourself (you don’t have to confess to a priest)!
When you admit to yourself doing something wrong and feel sorry for what have you done, and have a desirable intent to do better, God will be there with you and feels with you, enlightens your way to see what’s right and what’s wrong and will open doors for you in life, you didn’t realize or notice before.
To make the connection with God/ your self-awareness, you have to be the initiative – the INTENT to be good, to be a better person, regardless of where or when you start. It’s never too late to correct our path in life – all that it takes is a spark and an initiative. You have to activate the god in you by making the connection.
Most people get the wrong idea about God, and that’s why they run away from Him > when, in fact, they will be running away from themselves!
God is not a boogeyman; God is the good part in you!
I constantly try to make myself and others do better, but my initiative is not the belief in a God. My initiative is how short and valuable life is, and every generation is a new opportunity to give the next generation a better life. I feel very connected to the world, as we are not separate from it. We are made of the universe (Literally) and just because our consciousness and senses give us a relative perspective, does not separate us from the rest of the universe. I feel that the idea of a soul gives us each a oneness, which feels nice, but its not true. If you think that God is a part of you, then what is the point of calling it God and not just yourself.
What do you mean by a self awareness realm? Is it a system in the universe that is, itself, conscious?
Asking if God cares about us is not the same thing as asking if we care about ourselves. As one is theoretically infinitely smarter and more aware than the other.
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https://www.bbcode.org/reference.php
You can just quote the relevant parts of a reply guys, some of these posts are longer than sandokhans.
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Asking if God cares about us is not the same thing as asking if we care about ourselves. As one is theoretically infinitely smarter and more aware than the other.
A single brain cell might look independent under a microscope, where in fact; its a tiny part of a major network!
Earth is a tiny little ball spinning independently in space, where in fact it's connected by "an invisible force" to a bigger solar system, to a much bigger galaxy, and to what looks to us like an infinite constellation!
The goodness in me, in you, in him, and in everybody else is also connected by "an invisible force" - that acts independently in every person, and act as a whole in a different realm! Everything around us is made up of energy. To attract positive things in your life, start by giving off positive energy.
“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience” – Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
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Asking if God cares about us is not the same thing as asking if we care about ourselves. As one is theoretically infinitely smarter and more aware than the other.
A single brain cell might look independent under a microscope, where in fact; its a tiny part of a major network!
Earth is a tiny little ball spinning independently in space, where in fact it's connected by "an invisible force" to a bigger solar system, to a much bigger galaxy, and to what looks to us like an infinite constellation!
The goodness in me, in you, in him, and in everybody else is also connected by "an invisible force" - that acts independently in every person, and act as a whole in a different realm! Everything around us is made up of energy. To attract positive things in your life, start by giving off positive energy.
“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience” – Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
But goodness is not an invisible force. It takes place in the brain and is another part of all the electrical pulses that give us our consciousness.
Can you respond to my previous response?
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Asking if God cares about us is not the same thing as asking if we care about ourselves. As one is theoretically infinitely smarter and more aware than the other.
A single brain cell might look independent under a microscope, where in fact; its a tiny part of a major network!
Earth is a tiny little ball spinning independently in space, where in fact it's connected by "an invisible force" to a bigger solar system, to a much bigger galaxy, and to what looks to us like an infinite constellation!
The goodness in me, in you, in him, and in everybody else is also connected by "an invisible force" - that acts independently in every person, and act as a whole in a different realm! Everything around us is made up of energy. To attract positive things in your life, start by giving off positive energy.
“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience” – Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
But goodness is not an invisible force. It takes place in the brain and is another part of all the electrical pulses that give us our consciousness.
Can you respond to my previous response?
I thought I did!
But, let me ask you something - those generated pulses and feelings in you; do they remain in you or do you pass them to others?
I am connected to my wife, to my children, to my family and friends with an "invisible force" called love - which is the result of passing on the goodness in me to others! > You don't see that connection, but you feel it!
Imagine if every individual can build a network of connected goodness/ love around him > with time, that network will expand and expand until it meets and interacts with other networks communicating on the same frequency > it's only ONE frequency that connects us all, which is LOVE!
This is how God (the whole) cares about us, when we start caring about ourselves and those around us - make the connection, and build the network ...
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Asking if God cares about us is not the same thing as asking if we care about ourselves. As one is theoretically infinitely smarter and more aware than the other.
A single brain cell might look independent under a microscope, where in fact; its a tiny part of a major network!
Earth is a tiny little ball spinning independently in space, where in fact it's connected by "an invisible force" to a bigger solar system, to a much bigger galaxy, and to what looks to us like an infinite constellation!
The goodness in me, in you, in him, and in everybody else is also connected by "an invisible force" - that acts independently in every person, and act as a whole in a different realm! Everything around us is made up of energy. To attract positive things in your life, start by giving off positive energy.
“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience” – Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
But goodness is not an invisible force. It takes place in the brain and is another part of all the electrical pulses that give us our consciousness.
Can you respond to my previous response?
I thought I did!
But, let me ask you something - those generated pulses and feelings in you; do they remain in you or do you pass them to others?
I am connected to my wife, to my children, to my family and friends with an "invisible force" called love - which is the result of passing on the goodness in me to others! > You don't see that connection, but you feel it!
Imagine if every individual can build a network of connected goodness/ love around him > with time, that network will expand and expand until it meets and interacts with other networks communicating on the same frequency > it's only ONE frequency that connects us all, which is LOVE!
This is how God (the whole) cares about us, when we start caring about ourselves and those around us - make the connection, and build the network ...
I constantly try to make myself and others do better, but my initiative is not the belief in a God. My initiative is how short and valuable life is, and every generation is a new opportunity to give the next generation a better life. I feel very connected to the world, as we are not separate from it. We are made of the universe (Literally) and just because our consciousness and senses give us a relative perspective, does not separate us from the rest of the universe. I feel that the idea of a soul gives us each a oneness, which feels nice, but its not true. If you think that God is a part of you, then what is the point of calling it God and not just yourself.
What do you mean by a self awareness realm? Is it a system in the universe that is, itself, conscious?
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Asking if God cares about us is not the same thing as asking if we care about ourselves. As one is theoretically infinitely smarter and more aware than the other.
A single brain cell might look independent under a microscope, where in fact; its a tiny part of a major network!
Earth is a tiny little ball spinning independently in space, where in fact it's connected by "an invisible force" to a bigger solar system, to a much bigger galaxy, and to what looks to us like an infinite constellation!
The goodness in me, in you, in him, and in everybody else is also connected by "an invisible force" - that acts independently in every person, and act as a whole in a different realm! Everything around us is made up of energy. To attract positive things in your life, start by giving off positive energy.
“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience” – Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
But goodness is not an invisible force. It takes place in the brain and is another part of all the electrical pulses that give us our consciousness.
Can you respond to my previous response?
I thought I did!
But, let me ask you something - those generated pulses and feelings in you; do they remain in you or do you pass them to others?
I am connected to my wife, to my children, to my family and friends with an "invisible force" called love - which is the result of passing on the goodness in me to others! > You don't see that connection, but you feel it!
Imagine if every individual can build a network of connected goodness/ love around him > with time, that network will expand and expand until it meets and interacts with other networks communicating on the same frequency > it's only ONE frequency that connects us all, which is LOVE!
This is how God (the whole) cares about us, when we start caring about ourselves and those around us - make the connection, and build the network ...
I constantly try to make myself and others do better, but my initiative is not the belief in a God. My initiative is how short and valuable life is, and every generation is a new opportunity to give the next generation a better life. I feel very connected to the world, as we are not separate from it. We are made of the universe (Literally) and just because our consciousness and senses give us a relative perspective, does not separate us from the rest of the universe. I feel that the idea of a soul gives us each a oneness, which feels nice, but its not true. If you think that God is a part of you, then what is the point of calling it God and not just yourself.
What do you mean by a self awareness realm? Is it a system in the universe that is, itself, conscious?
And how can you be inseparable from this universe if you are not connected to it?
We all know our lives are short and we all feel connected to this world – but, what if we die tomorrow? Is it end of story for us?
The only way you continue in the physical world is through the generation you leave behind you, but that doesn’t make it the end of you; because we are spiritual as well as physical > and all are energy, because the physical is only energy vibrating at certain frequency; tuned to the frequency of the earth. And, energy cannot just vanish after death; it just exists in a different dimension and a totally different realm.
How can you listen to your radio if you do not connect the plug to the electrical switch in your house, which is in turn connected to the main grid line? You get your power from the main power station and not from the switch on your wall.
Your soul is your identity as a member of humanity - we are all made of the same exact material; it’s the soul that distinguishes one from the other, and a character from the other > in a way it gives you your uniqueness and at the same time it makes you part of a bigger network/ humanity.
The self-awareness is the gist and essence of our experience in life – we start building it up the moment we make that connection - it gets bigger and spreads with the years, with every connection we make and with every credit we get for our good actions – those that count and those that remain behind us.
The self-awareness in every individual is an epitome of the whole – contained in ourselves when in the physical form and acts as one in a different realm > call it a system, a network, or whatever you wish, but remember; you have to be the initiative – the connection starts from you/ from the part to the whole > and once strongly connected, it sure works as a whole in you –throughout your life and after you let go your physical body.
When you have accepted the fact that you have become a part of the whole; then you have accepted God and God accepted you.
And when you only believe in your physical part and the physical world without a spiritual connection that will continue, soon the physical will become lifeless and rotten, and….
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I must add here, if I may:
I noticed many people fear the "term" god and reject it from their lives; thinking it's some kind of entity we are obliged to obey and offer sacrifices to!
Okay; what if we change the "term" god into "good" - would that "O" make any difference in our belief, and would we still have that same fear?
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Asking if God cares about us is not the same thing as asking if we care about ourselves. As one is theoretically infinitely smarter and more aware than the other.
A single brain cell might look independent under a microscope, where in fact; its a tiny part of a major network!
Earth is a tiny little ball spinning independently in space, where in fact it's connected by "an invisible force" to a bigger solar system, to a much bigger galaxy, and to what looks to us like an infinite constellation!
The goodness in me, in you, in him, and in everybody else is also connected by "an invisible force" - that acts independently in every person, and act as a whole in a different realm! Everything around us is made up of energy. To attract positive things in your life, start by giving off positive energy.
“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience” – Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
But goodness is not an invisible force. It takes place in the brain and is another part of all the electrical pulses that give us our consciousness.
Can you respond to my previous response?
I thought I did!
But, let me ask you something - those generated pulses and feelings in you; do they remain in you or do you pass them to others?
I am connected to my wife, to my children, to my family and friends with an "invisible force" called love - which is the result of passing on the goodness in me to others! > You don't see that connection, but you feel it!
Imagine if every individual can build a network of connected goodness/ love around him > with time, that network will expand and expand until it meets and interacts with other networks communicating on the same frequency > it's only ONE frequency that connects us all, which is LOVE!
This is how God (the whole) cares about us, when we start caring about ourselves and those around us - make the connection, and build the network ...
I constantly try to make myself and others do better, but my initiative is not the belief in a God. My initiative is how short and valuable life is, and every generation is a new opportunity to give the next generation a better life. I feel very connected to the world, as we are not separate from it. We are made of the universe (Literally) and just because our consciousness and senses give us a relative perspective, does not separate us from the rest of the universe. I feel that the idea of a soul gives us each a oneness, which feels nice, but its not true. If you think that God is a part of you, then what is the point of calling it God and not just yourself.
What do you mean by a self awareness realm? Is it a system in the universe that is, itself, conscious?
And how can you be inseparable from this universe if you are not connected to it?
We all know our lives are short and we all feel connected to this world – but, what if we die tomorrow? Is it end of story for us?
The only way you continue in the physical world is through the generation you leave behind you, but that doesn’t make it the end of you; because we are spiritual as well as physical > and all are energy, because the physical is only energy vibrating at certain frequency; tuned to the frequency of the earth. And, energy cannot just vanish after death; it just exists in a different dimension and a totally different realm.
How can you listen to your radio if you do not connect the plug to the electrical switch in your house, which is in turn connected to the main grid line? You get your power from the main power station and not from the switch on your wall.
Your soul is your identity as a member of humanity - we are all made of the same exact material; it’s the soul that distinguishes one from the other, and a character from the other > in a way it gives you your uniqueness and at the same time it makes you part of a bigger network/ humanity.
The self-awareness is the gist and essence of our experience in life – we start building it up the moment we make that connection - it gets bigger and spreads with the years, with every connection we make and with every credit we get for our good actions – those that count and those that remain behind us.
The self-awareness in every individual is an epitome of the whole – contained in ourselves when in the physical form and acts as one in a different realm > call it a system, a network, or whatever you wish, but remember; you have to be the initiative – the connection starts from you/ from the part to the whole > and once strongly connected, it sure works as a whole in you –throughout your life and after you let go your physical body.
When you have accepted the fact that you have become a part of the whole; then you have accepted God and God accepted you.
And when you only believe in your physical part and the physical world without a spiritual connection that will continue, soon the physical will become lifeless and rotten, and….
So what your saying is that we have our physical body and our spiritual body, and what connects us to other living things is the spiritual? But why do we need the spiritual to have connection with others? Hasn't science shown why we feel the need of love, group behavior and empathy? (Unless you have a different type of connection) The radio metaphor would not work here, as the radio tower, the grid, and the radio are all in the same dimension and can be explained with science. What is the purpose of calling "good", "God" if they are the same thing?
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So what your saying is that we have our physical body and our spiritual body, and what connects us to other living things is the spiritual? But why do we need the spiritual to have connection with others? Hasn't science shown why we feel the need of love, group behavior and empathy? (Unless you have a different type of connection) The radio metaphor would not work here, as the radio tower, the grid, and the radio are all in the same dimension and can be explained with science. What is the purpose of calling "good", "God" if they are the same thing?
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ًWell, the summation of my intervention in one sentence:-
"Good" is the diminutive of "God" - all the good souls in Mankind belong to ONE category/ group called "God"!
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I must add here, if I may:
I noticed many people fear the "term" god and reject it from their lives; thinking it's some kind of entity we are obliged to obey and offer sacrifices to!
Okay; what if we change the "term" god into "good" - would that "O" make any difference in our belief, and would we still have that same fear?
Shit is usually something people avoid to touch. If we removed the "h", would people be inclined to sit on it?
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I must add here, if I may:
I noticed many people fear the "term" god and reject it from their lives; thinking it's some kind of entity we are obliged to obey and offer sacrifices to!
Okay; what if we change the "term" god into "good" - would that "O" make any difference in our belief, and would we still have that same fear?
Shit is usually something people avoid to touch. If we removed the "h", would people be inclined to sit on it?
Do you believe you're a good person?
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I must add here, if I may:
I noticed many people fear the "term" god and reject it from their lives; thinking it's some kind of entity we are obliged to obey and offer sacrifices to!
Okay; what if we change the "term" god into "good" - would that "O" make any difference in our belief, and would we still have that same fear?
Shit is usually something people avoid to touch. If we removed the "h", would people be inclined to sit on it?
Yes if they were told it's sacred shit.
Like the shit some took during all the religious persecutions, present and past.
I know that some Jewish people had to hide their beliefs from their neighbours for some centuries? Because they were afraid of the love Catholics felt for them?
This religious craziness reached extremes. One example: if one of Jews was about to die, he was killed before the priest arrival to avoid the last sacraments! This happened until mid 20th century...
So, in my opinion, let's put religion in the right place: the trash can.
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So what your saying is that we have our physical body and our spiritual body, and what connects us to other living things is the spiritual? But why do we need the spiritual to have connection with others? Hasn't science shown why we feel the need of love, group behavior and empathy? (Unless you have a different type of connection) The radio metaphor would not work here, as the radio tower, the grid, and the radio are all in the same dimension and can be explained with science. What is the purpose of calling "good", "God" if they are the same thing?
ًWell, the summation of my intervention in one sentence:-
"Good" is the diminutive of "God" - all the good souls in Mankind belong to ONE category/ group called "God"!
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But why do you believe in souls?
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If you are dead set that there is no God, then there is no changing your own mind. God would have to do that. Truth is, He is sovereign, and in control of everything. If you laugh and scoff at that, then you are who you are. Exactly as God made you to be.
If there is no God, I would lose nothing in death by believing and knowing there is why I'm still alive. That is, if I'm wrong, hypothetically speaking, and I died in a car wreck along with an atheist, we would both go on into nothing. Therefore, me believing there is something while I'm alive, will not effect the outcome of my situation when I die. So, if the atheist is right, while we were both alive, it really wouldn't matter in death. There would be nothing gained. Or lost. It simply wouldn't matter anymore.
But if I am right, and the atheist is wrong, everything stands the chance of being lost for him.
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My personal opinion is that, whether there is a God or not, some divine entity must be controlling or overseeing events here. Otherwise, things would happen randomly and life would be meaningless.
The only way to have this theory be compatible with religion, is to believe that this entity has revealed itself to humanity in a
variety of occasions, and from this, stemmed the major religions of Catholocism, Judaism, and Islam
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If you are dead set that there is no God, then there is no changing your own mind. God would have to do that. Truth is, He is sovereign, and in control of everything. If you laugh and scoff at that, then you are who you are. Exactly as God made you to be.
If there is no God, I would lose nothing in death by believing and knowing there is why I'm still alive. That is, if I'm wrong, hypothetically speaking, and I died in a car wreck along with an atheist, we would both go on into nothing. Therefore, me believing there is something while I'm alive, will not effect the outcome of my situation when I die. So, if the atheist is right, while we were both alive, it really wouldn't matter in death. There would be nothing gained. Or lost. It simply wouldn't matter anymore.
But if I am right, and the atheist is wrong, everything stands the chance of being lost for him.
I honestly have no idea whether or not there is a God. I really want to know and understand the logic behind it because I've been reading the bible and some of the stuff in it don't make sense, and other things are just awful and things I would never devote my life to. And the idea of an eternal afterlife, doesn't make sense to me either.
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My personal opinion is that, whether there is a God or not, some divine entity must be controlling or overseeing events here. Otherwise, things would happen randomly and life would be meaningless.
The only way to have this theory be compatible with religion, is to believe that this entity has revealed itself to humanity in a
variety of occasions, and from this, stemmed the major religions of Catholocism, Judaism, and Islam
Things aren't happening randomly though, there are laws that govern the universe keeping it in order. I don't know where these laws come from but I don't want to have to look to a God as the answer, at least until I see some evidence.
Also, the universe does not owe you meaning just because your alive. Luckily we have been given one: To pass on our genes to the next generation, and in turn, make sure that the next generation has a good life. Also, if there is no afterlife, that makes this life so much more important as it is all we have. We shouldn't waste a second of it.
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Which, I suppose, proves my point. There are laws and rules that were pre-set somehow before life evolved on Earth, or even before it formed.
Now, I am a personal believer that all things in life happen for a reason, whether that reason can be seen or not. Just think of all the inventions that happened in a whim, or off a mistake. Life does not owe us purpose, this is true,
but somehow we were given one: survive and reproduce. Over time, we have built upon that to give us the luxuries of life we have today.
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If you are dead set that there is no God, then there is no changing your own mind. God would have to do that. Truth is, He is sovereign, and in control of everything. If you laugh and scoff at that, then you are who you are. Exactly as God made you to be.
If there is no God, I would lose nothing in death by believing and knowing there is why I'm still alive. That is, if I'm wrong, hypothetically speaking, and I died in a car wreck along with an atheist, we would both go on into nothing. Therefore, me believing there is something while I'm alive, will not effect the outcome of my situation when I die. So, if the atheist is right, while we were both alive, it really wouldn't matter in death. There would be nothing gained. Or lost. It simply wouldn't matter anymore.
But if I am right, and the atheist is wrong, everything stands the chance of being lost for him.
I honestly have no idea whether or not there is a God. I really want to know and understand the logic behind it because I've been reading the bible and some of the stuff in it don't make sense, and other things are just awful and things I would never devote my life to. And the idea of an eternal afterlife, doesn't make sense to me either.
The Bible is not god, neither is a cross or a man - if those didn't make sense to you and confused you > then free yourself from being subjective to earthly matter and believe in the goodness in you!
God is not a stone to talk to and offer repentance > talk to yourself and be the judge of your actions and behavior, before you're judged by others.
If there were a God, he wouldn't ask you to do more than that!
God is NOT an entity, people - God is the goodness in us > just open your hearts and pass it on to others!
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Fascinating theory, however I have a hard time believing that God is entirely goodness in all of us. Live isn't that forgiving. Live isn't all kindness. We have all seen how cruel and unforgiving life can be, which is why I'm not entirely sure God is just the goodness in all of us. I'm not saying its not true, just that I have a hard time believing that it is.
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If you are dead set that there is no God, then there is no changing your own mind. God would have to do that. Truth is, He is sovereign, and in control of everything. If you laugh and scoff at that, then you are who you are. Exactly as God made you to be.
If there is no God, I would lose nothing in death by believing and knowing there is why I'm still alive. That is, if I'm wrong, hypothetically speaking, and I died in a car wreck along with an atheist, we would both go on into nothing. Therefore, me believing there is something while I'm alive, will not effect the outcome of my situation when I die. So, if the atheist is right, while we were both alive, it really wouldn't matter in death. There would be nothing gained. Or lost. It simply wouldn't matter anymore.
But if I am right, and the atheist is wrong, everything stands the chance of being lost for him.
I honestly have no idea whether or not there is a God. I really want to know and understand the logic behind it because I've been reading the bible and some of the stuff in it don't make sense, and other things are just awful and things I would never devote my life to. And the idea of an eternal afterlife, doesn't make sense to me either.
The Bible is not god, neither is a cross or a man - if those didn't make sense to you and confused you > then free yourself from being subjective to earthly matter and believe in the goodness in you!
God is not a stone to talk to and offer repentance > talk to yourself and be the judge of your actions and behavior, before you're judged by others.
If there were a God, he wouldn't ask you to do more than that!
God is NOT an entity, people - God is the goodness in us > just open your hearts and pass it on to others!
Ok, I believe in the goodness in me. I try to help others as much as I can. What is the point of calling it god? It is not supernatural and I do not need a belief in a soul to want to help others. As for freeing myself from earthly matter, I don't plan on rejecting all that I know and leaning on faith for my answers.
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I cannot deny the goodness within a person, I'm just not sure it's God.
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If you are dead set that there is no God, then there is no changing your own mind. God would have to do that. Truth is, He is sovereign, and in control of everything. If you laugh and scoff at that, then you are who you are. Exactly as God made you to be.
If there is no God, I would lose nothing in death by believing and knowing there is why I'm still alive. That is, if I'm wrong, hypothetically speaking, and I died in a car wreck along with an atheist, we would both go on into nothing. Therefore, me believing there is something while I'm alive, will not effect the outcome of my situation when I die. So, if the atheist is right, while we were both alive, it really wouldn't matter in death. There would be nothing gained. Or lost. It simply wouldn't matter anymore.
But if I am right, and the atheist is wrong, everything stands the chance of being lost for him.
I honestly have no idea whether or not there is a God. I really want to know and understand the logic behind it because I've been reading the bible and some of the stuff in it don't make sense, and other things are just awful and things I would never devote my life to. And the idea of an eternal afterlife, doesn't make sense to me either.
The Bible is not god, neither is a cross or a man - if those didn't make sense to you and confused you > then free yourself from being subjective to earthly matter and believe in the goodness in you!
God is not a stone to talk to and offer repentance > talk to yourself and be the judge of your actions and behavior, before you're judged by others.
If there were a God, he wouldn't ask you to do more than that!
God is NOT an entity, people - God is the goodness in us > just open your hearts and pass it on to others!
Ok, I believe in the goodness in me. I try to help others as much as I can. What is the point of calling it god? It is not supernatural and I do not need a belief in a soul to want to help others. As for freeing myself from earthly matter, I don't plan on rejecting all that I know and leaning on faith for my answers.
Then don't call it anything!
Why do we keep looking for imaginary physical gods, to see to believe in? Why?
The goodness in you and the one in me share the same properties and same effects on us and others around us?
It's power - generated pulses of the same nature in all of us.
You are not just a physical being > you are a sentient being!
Love is generated feelings and emotions - so, why call it love?
It's a power that you can't see, but you can feel!
You can feel another person thousands of miles away from you with that power - which has split and rested in two hearts, where it belongs and from where it's launched.
All 7 billion people around the planet share a part of that power, which have the same qualities and effects on all.
It's a power, which is not physical, vibrations on a different dimension and different realm, has same effects on all sentient beings and shields them like a magnetic field - imagine 7 billion "magnetic fields" of same frequency and same vibration > wouldn't that power occupy a realm of existence somewhere, somehow?
And what I meant by freeing yourself from earthly matter was; you don't need a physical god to believe in - whether it's a man, a cross, a statue or a book, and certainly didn't mean to let go and reject everything to follow a faith!
By freeing yourself from that kind of submission and limitation, the goodness in you will take over and get bigger and expands.
So, don't call the goodness in you any other than what it means, just believe in it and believe you're a good person.
If I were God, I wouldn't ask anymore of you to do - just be a good person, and that should be good enough for me!
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These emotions are powerful forces, this is true. Goodness and love probably hold the world together. I'm simply trying to find a meaning as to why these laws that were pre made before humans exist, and how everything came to be. Something must be in control of it all, and I don't mean goodness.
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Experimentor, we are not inherently good. Just take a look around at the world. The good we perceive in us is not really good at all, when it's measured against the standard of what goodness really is. The world was created good. Men too. But it was corrupted by evil. Angels rebelled at the beginning. Came down to Earth and taught all sorts of wicked things to men. God punished them and put them in chains. They are unredeemable for what they have done. None of this caught God by surprise. It was part of his plan from the very beginning. Nothing is by chance. Both good and evil have its purpose and destination. God showed grace (unmerited favor) to a few in the world. He did not have to do this. But he did, out of his own good will and pleasure. Those are called the elect of God. Elect means chosen. Not by any choice of their own. They don't choose God. He chooses them. God's method of salvation to the elect is their salvation. It's humbling. No room for pride. Jesus did not die for the whole world. He died to redeem his people. The elect. God would not send anyone he loves to Hell for eternity. This is a lie. He does not do that. The ones that go to Hell, were preordained for it. They were created for it. God chose to show his wrath and justice on them. Hard truths. But true. If you hear it, then you were given ears to hear. If not, then you were not...The battle for the elect is against the world, the god of this world (Satan), demons (evil spirits of the dead giants, Nephilim), the flesh (because it loves the world and the things in it). It's a lot to fight. And they hit you hard. Sometimes blatantly. Sometimes very deceptively. But the elect is the real enemy of them all. They are their primary targets and focus. And they hate them with a passion. But in the end, which is not very far away at all, God will cast out all evil and sin forever. And the elect will be given a safe place refuge. Forever. With God.
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thanks gomwelder, but i think we're trying to stay away from religious opinions at the moment. We're trying to come up with our own theories as far as the existence of God or not, and while your response is welcomed, I'm trying to steer away from getting anybody offended based on a religious opinion.
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I must add here, if I may:
I noticed many people fear the "term" god and reject it from their lives; thinking it's some kind of entity we are obliged to obey and offer sacrifices to!
Okay; what if we change the "term" god into "good" - would that "O" make any difference in our belief, and would we still have that same fear?
Shit is usually something people avoid to touch. If we removed the "h", would people be inclined to sit on it?
Do you believe you're a good person?
No idea why you're asking me that. But yes, I'd say I'm a good person generally. I don't believe I've ever done anything to hurt someone and I always try to help people any way I can.
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These emotions are powerful forces, this is true. Goodness and love probably hold the world together. I'm simply trying to find a meaning as to why these laws that were pre made before humans exist, and how everything came to be. Something must be in control of it all, and I don't mean goodness.
If you believe love and goodness hold the world together, then would you expect that "thing" that controls everything to have different laws of love and goodness?
That thing is definitely light and not darkness. > Love would open your heart and free you from the darkness and from the fear of the unknown.
That thing must have laws and order, or everything in the universe would exist in chaos, or maybe couldn't exist.
That thing is power manifested in light, love, laws, order & goodness > when you use that power in your life, then you are in direct contact with the creator and you act as one by creating your own consciousness "the god in you"!
Don't waste your time and effort in trying to understand the picture as a "Whole" - you will eventually come to understand it by starting with yourself - creating the god in you > which will connect you to the whole!
The switch to that connection is in your heart > and you don't need a surgeon to turn it on from the inside!
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If you are dead set that there is no God, then there is no changing your own mind. God would have to do that. Truth is, He is sovereign, and in control of everything. If you laugh and scoff at that, then you are who you are. Exactly as God made you to be.
If there is no God, I would lose nothing in death by believing and knowing there is why I'm still alive. That is, if I'm wrong, hypothetically speaking, and I died in a car wreck along with an atheist, we would both go on into nothing. Therefore, me believing there is something while I'm alive, will not effect the outcome of my situation when I die. So, if the atheist is right, while we were both alive, it really wouldn't matter in death. There would be nothing gained. Or lost. It simply wouldn't matter anymore.
But if I am right, and the atheist is wrong, everything stands the chance of being lost for him.
I honestly have no idea whether or not there is a God. I really want to know and understand the logic behind it because I've been reading the bible and some of the stuff in it don't make sense, and other things are just awful and things I would never devote my life to. And the idea of an eternal afterlife, doesn't make sense to me either.
The Bible is not god, neither is a cross or a man - if those didn't make sense to you and confused you > then free yourself from being subjective to earthly matter and believe in the goodness in you!
God is not a stone to talk to and offer repentance > talk to yourself and be the judge of your actions and behavior, before you're judged by others.
If there were a God, he wouldn't ask you to do more than that!
God is NOT an entity, people - God is the goodness in us > just open your hearts and pass it on to others!
Ok, I believe in the goodness in me. I try to help others as much as I can. What is the point of calling it god? It is not supernatural and I do not need a belief in a soul to want to help others. As for freeing myself from earthly matter, I don't plan on rejecting all that I know and leaning on faith for my answers.
Then don't call it anything!
Why do we keep looking for imaginary physical gods, to see to believe in? Why?
The goodness in you and the one in me share the same properties and same effects on us and others around us?
It's power - generated pulses of the same nature in all of us.
You are not just a physical being > you are a sentient being!
Love is generated feelings and emotions - so, why call it love?
It's a power that you can't see, but you can feel!
You can feel another person thousands of miles away from you with that power - which has split and rested in two hearts, where it belongs and from where it's launched.
All 7 billion people around the planet share a part of that power, which have the same qualities and effects on all.
It's a power, which is not physical, vibrations on a different dimension and different realm, has same effects on all sentient beings and shields them like a magnetic field - imagine 7 billion "magnetic fields" of same frequency and same vibration > wouldn't that power occupy a realm of existence somewhere, somehow?
And what I meant by freeing yourself from earthly matter was; you don't need a physical god to believe in - whether it's a man, a cross, a statue or a book, and certainly didn't mean to let go and reject everything to follow a faith!
By freeing yourself from that kind of submission and limitation, the goodness in you will take over and get bigger and expands.
So, don't call the goodness in you any other than what it means, just believe in it and believe you're a good person.
If I were God, I wouldn't ask anymore of you to do - just be a good person, and that should be good enough for me!
So is your definition of god, the love that humans have for each other that keeps us from going into anarchy? I can understand that. Do you believe it is a supernatural force? And do you think that this is the same force that created us?
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I must add here, if I may:
I noticed many people fear the "term" god and reject it from their lives; thinking it's some kind of entity we are obliged to obey and offer sacrifices to!
Okay; what if we change the "term" god into "good" - would that "O" make any difference in our belief, and would we still have that same fear?
Shit is usually something people avoid to touch. If we removed the "h", would people be inclined to sit on it?
Do you believe you're a good person?
No idea why you're asking me that. But yes, I'd say I'm a good person generally. I don't believe I've ever done anything to hurt someone and I always try to help people any way I can.
Thank you for answering that question honestly, and I wasn't trying to be sarcastic in my question either - I had a point, indeed!
My second question would be; "if" there were to be a God - a creator and a sustainer of His creation, would you truly believe he would ask you to be anything other than good, or to do other than good deeds in your life?
This is the kind of god I believe in - and I start by believing in the goodness in me, because, I believe following that path would never lead me to evilness, to darkness or to the unknown!
Having lived by this concept and by this law in your life, surely you'd leave this life with a clear conscious and without any fear of the unknown or of what you'd expect to find on the other side!
God is simply a faith and a path!
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If you are dead set that there is no God, then there is no changing your own mind. God would have to do that. Truth is, He is sovereign, and in control of everything. If you laugh and scoff at that, then you are who you are. Exactly as God made you to be.
If there is no God, I would lose nothing in death by believing and knowing there is why I'm still alive. That is, if I'm wrong, hypothetically speaking, and I died in a car wreck along with an atheist, we would both go on into nothing. Therefore, me believing there is something while I'm alive, will not effect the outcome of my situation when I die. So, if the atheist is right, while we were both alive, it really wouldn't matter in death. There would be nothing gained. Or lost. It simply wouldn't matter anymore.
But if I am right, and the atheist is wrong, everything stands the chance of being lost for him.
I honestly have no idea whether or not there is a God. I really want to know and understand the logic behind it because I've been reading the bible and some of the stuff in it don't make sense, and other things are just awful and things I would never devote my life to. And the idea of an eternal afterlife, doesn't make sense to me either.
The Bible is not god, neither is a cross or a man - if those didn't make sense to you and confused you > then free yourself from being subjective to earthly matter and believe in the goodness in you!
God is not a stone to talk to and offer repentance > talk to yourself and be the judge of your actions and behavior, before you're judged by others.
If there were a God, he wouldn't ask you to do more than that!
God is NOT an entity, people - God is the goodness in us > just open your hearts and pass it on to others!
Ok, I believe in the goodness in me. I try to help others as much as I can. What is the point of calling it god? It is not supernatural and I do not need a belief in a soul to want to help others. As for freeing myself from earthly matter, I don't plan on rejecting all that I know and leaning on faith for my answers.
Then don't call it anything!
Why do we keep looking for imaginary physical gods, to see to believe in? Why?
The goodness in you and the one in me share the same properties and same effects on us and others around us?
It's power - generated pulses of the same nature in all of us.
You are not just a physical being > you are a sentient being!
Love is generated feelings and emotions - so, why call it love?
It's a power that you can't see, but you can feel!
You can feel another person thousands of miles away from you with that power - which has split and rested in two hearts, where it belongs and from where it's launched.
All 7 billion people around the planet share a part of that power, which have the same qualities and effects on all.
It's a power, which is not physical, vibrations on a different dimension and different realm, has same effects on all sentient beings and shields them like a magnetic field - imagine 7 billion "magnetic fields" of same frequency and same vibration > wouldn't that power occupy a realm of existence somewhere, somehow?
And what I meant by freeing yourself from earthly matter was; you don't need a physical god to believe in - whether it's a man, a cross, a statue or a book, and certainly didn't mean to let go and reject everything to follow a faith!
By freeing yourself from that kind of submission and limitation, the goodness in you will take over and get bigger and expands.
So, don't call the goodness in you any other than what it means, just believe in it and believe you're a good person.
If I were God, I wouldn't ask anymore of you to do - just be a good person, and that should be good enough for me!
So is your definition of god, the love that humans have for each other that keeps us from going into anarchy? I can understand that. Do you believe it is a supernatural force? And do you think that this is the same force that created us?
I'd rather believe something good created me, than to believe I was the result of a massive chaotic explosion, or I have an ape for a great grandfather! ::)
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Ok. I will refrain from posting any further. But that is not my opinion. If I were allowed to have my own opinions about who God says He is, I would be way off. I would distort it to my own likings. I would make it agreeable. And fashion a false narrative. And I did for a very long time. Until God, through tragedy and hard knocks, knocked me out of it...It is the opinion of God about himself as he plainly tells us that we must either deny or accept. The truth about truth is that it is usually not agreeable, unoffensive, and readily accepted. Maybe that's why we often say, 'The truth hurts'. But like I said, I will not post any further on the thread.
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I must add here, if I may:
I noticed many people fear the "term" god and reject it from their lives; thinking it's some kind of entity we are obliged to obey and offer sacrifices to!
Okay; what if we change the "term" god into "good" - would that "O" make any difference in our belief, and would we still have that same fear?
Shit is usually something people avoid to touch. If we removed the "h", would people be inclined to sit on it?
Do you believe you're a good person?
No idea why you're asking me that. But yes, I'd say I'm a good person generally. I don't believe I've ever done anything to hurt someone and I always try to help people any way I can.
Thank you for answering that question honestly, and I wasn't trying to be sarcastic in my question either - I had a point, indeed!
My second question would be; "if" there were to be a God - a creator and a sustainer of His creation, would you truly believe he would ask you to be anything other than good, or to do other than good deeds in your life?
This is the kind of god I believe in - and I start by believing in the goodness in me, because, I believe following that path would never lead me to evilness, to darkness or to the unknown!
Having lived by this concept and by this law in your life, surely you'd leave this life with a clear conscious and without any fear of the unknown or of what you'd expect to find on the other side!
God is simply a faith and a path!
I have no idea what a creator would want me to do and if that would be "good" or "bad". There is no way of knowing. So I just accept that I have no idea. Besides, what's good and what's bad? If a God existed, wouldn't his moral compass be absolute? Or would it not? Would he break his own rules? Would rules even apply to him? No idea.
I can understand why your faith in God assures you and helps you fight your fear for the unknown. But I can't do that. I prefer to know that I'm ignorant than to impose false sense of certainty onto myself. Certainty is like a drug that makes you think you're happy and relieves your guilt. Just like drugs, every high is followed by a vast feeling of emptiness when you realize that it was all fake. I would never be able to convince myself that it's not fake. And that's why I'm an agnostic. I embrace that I have no idea, and just walk into the unknown without knowing what I will encounter. Of course I'm afraid of the unknown. But it's also in a way exciting.
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Good and bad are purely man made concepts. We formed our own opinion as to what is innately "good" or "bad". So therefore, any sort of divine ruler that controls all cannot be good or bad, it is up to your own opinion whether it is or not.
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Good and bad are purely man made concepts. We formed our own opinion as to what is innately "good" or "bad". So therefore, any sort of divine ruler that controls all cannot be good or bad, it is up to your own opinion whether it is or not.
A divine ruler that created the world could definitely be considered an absolute moral compass, I mean, it's his creation. Then again, that sort of stuff is completely foreign to human logic, and any discussions about these things usually end up in nonsense.
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And it is also possible that any sort of God may have just gotten things going. It may have just created the universe with no plan set out for the insignificant beings that ended up inhabiting it. Morals may well be a man made idea as well. In truth, we don't know what man created, or what was predestined by some type of God to happen.
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If you are dead set that there is no God, then there is no changing your own mind. God would have to do that. Truth is, He is sovereign, and in control of everything. If you laugh and scoff at that, then you are who you are. Exactly as God made you to be.
If there is no God, I would lose nothing in death by believing and knowing there is why I'm still alive. That is, if I'm wrong, hypothetically speaking, and I died in a car wreck along with an atheist, we would both go on into nothing. Therefore, me believing there is something while I'm alive, will not effect the outcome of my situation when I die. So, if the atheist is right, while we were both alive, it really wouldn't matter in death. There would be nothing gained. Or lost. It simply wouldn't matter anymore.
But if I am right, and the atheist is wrong, everything stands the chance of being lost for him.
I honestly have no idea whether or not there is a God. I really want to know and understand the logic behind it because I've been reading the bible and some of the stuff in it don't make sense, and other things are just awful and things I would never devote my life to. And the idea of an eternal afterlife, doesn't make sense to me either.
The Bible is not god, neither is a cross or a man - if those didn't make sense to you and confused you > then free yourself from being subjective to earthly matter and believe in the goodness in you!
God is not a stone to talk to and offer repentance > talk to yourself and be the judge of your actions and behavior, before you're judged by others.
If there were a God, he wouldn't ask you to do more than that!
God is NOT an entity, people - God is the goodness in us > just open your hearts and pass it on to others!
Ok, I believe in the goodness in me. I try to help others as much as I can. What is the point of calling it god? It is not supernatural and I do not need a belief in a soul to want to help others. As for freeing myself from earthly matter, I don't plan on rejecting all that I know and leaning on faith for my answers.
Then don't call it anything!
Why do we keep looking for imaginary physical gods, to see to believe in? Why?
The goodness in you and the one in me share the same properties and same effects on us and others around us?
It's power - generated pulses of the same nature in all of us.
You are not just a physical being > you are a sentient being!
Love is generated feelings and emotions - so, why call it love?
It's a power that you can't see, but you can feel!
You can feel another person thousands of miles away from you with that power - which has split and rested in two hearts, where it belongs and from where it's launched.
All 7 billion people around the planet share a part of that power, which have the same qualities and effects on all.
It's a power, which is not physical, vibrations on a different dimension and different realm, has same effects on all sentient beings and shields them like a magnetic field - imagine 7 billion "magnetic fields" of same frequency and same vibration > wouldn't that power occupy a realm of existence somewhere, somehow?
And what I meant by freeing yourself from earthly matter was; you don't need a physical god to believe in - whether it's a man, a cross, a statue or a book, and certainly didn't mean to let go and reject everything to follow a faith!
By freeing yourself from that kind of submission and limitation, the goodness in you will take over and get bigger and expands.
So, don't call the goodness in you any other than what it means, just believe in it and believe you're a good person.
If I were God, I wouldn't ask anymore of you to do - just be a good person, and that should be good enough for me!
So is your definition of god, the love that humans have for each other that keeps us from going into anarchy? I can understand that. Do you believe it is a supernatural force? And do you think that this is the same force that created us?
I'd rather believe something good created me, than to believe I was the result of a massive chaotic explosion, or I have an ape for a great grandfather! ::)
It is not what you would rather believe, it is what the evidence points to. There are laws of the universe (not sure how they came about but they are there) that made sure that the universe would not go into chaos. As for the ape being a relative to us, there is evidence for this, but if your faith in your God is not compatible with this there is nothing I can do as faith is not debatable.
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yuu c, God iz ded ans we haf killd him. wat has ur god done forr yuu? real legion iz ah method iph monni laudering of iph thee pepole whu come except thee truth.
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yuu c, God iz ded ans we haf killd him. wat has ur god done forr yuu? real legion iz ah method iph monni laudering of iph thee pepole whu come except thee truth.
You took the trouble of signing in to post shit for starter!
I wonder what's next > maybe I shouldn't wonder... ::)
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yuu c, God iz ded ans we haf killd him. wat has ur god done forr yuu? real legion iz ah method iph monni laudering of iph thee pepole whu come except thee truth.
WOW! My eyes are seeing for the first time! This explains everything!
the truth... I know why we exist! It has been unveiled! I SEE EVERYTHING NOW!!!!
oh... wait... nevermind. I just lost a few brain cells reading that.
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These emotions are powerful forces, this is true. Goodness and love probably hold the world together. I'm simply trying to find a meaning as to why these laws that were pre made before humans exist, and how everything came to be. Something must be in control of it all, and I don't mean goodness.
Love is the law.
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There are laws of the universe (not sure how they came about but they are there) that made sure that the universe would not go into chaos.
The universe is what is left over when you remove the impossible.
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There are laws of the universe (not sure how they came about but they are there) that made sure that the universe would not go into chaos.
The universe is what is left over when you remove the impossible.
When you remove the impossible from what? What is the whole that you remove the impossible from that leaves reality as a product?
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There are laws of the universe (not sure how they came about but they are there) that made sure that the universe would not go into chaos.
Incorrect. The universe since the beginning of time is becoming more and more chaotic to a point where even sub atomic particles will decay and there will be an empty universe. Just hang around for 10^10^40 years or so to find out. Wait for 10^10^10^56 years and perhaps witness the birth of a new universe!
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Fascinating, yet somewhat true