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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: wise on April 12, 2017, 12:32:16 AM
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As we know that, an idiot, Einstein suggested the speed of light as an upper limit. In theorically, nothing can move faster than it. But pratically, we exceed it by internet data transfers. I have done a bit of complicated work in this regard before. Now all we together will do a basic work to understand the issue. All of us will exceed the spped of light together.
I'll do that for once and you can check it by yourself, for this test and for your city.
This is the command:
Click Windows+s
type to command line that: ping google.com -t
You should get a result like that:
(http://2.1m.yt/M1m9yjz.png)
In our example, our data went and returned in 12 ms.
Actually this is the half of our speed. request gone and request returned.
Now we'll look the distance between our computer and google.
This is ip location finder site:
https://www.iplocation.net/
I found the place of that server. Type there the adress of google which one written on our command line.
(http://2.1m.yt/5SFqZPD.png)
Okey that ip adress located in California, USA.
Now open a online map and measure the distance from your computer and destination computer:
First find out the destination:
(http://2.1m.yt/70IQZ_x.png)
How interesting, google computer located a placed neighbor with NASA. What a chance! ;)
Now click to "measure and find your own city".
(http://1.1m.yt/wdliRV.png)
In my example, it is 10 810 kms.
Now we can calculate the speed of ping.
A ping works with data send and response.
So total distance is: 10810 x2 = 21 620 kms (I know they appeal this one)
Total time: 12 ms.
Speed of the sent data: 21620 kms / 12 ms = 1.801 kms/ms
Is it familiar ?
Same with universal data transfer speed that we calculated before.
(http://1.1m.yt/f95Wtm.png)
We calculated it before 1.831 km/ms and now corrected as 1.801 kms/ms.
This is not our issue
The universal data speed we calculated now as 1.801 kms/ms = 1.801.000 km/s = 6c
The speed of the light upper limit theory is fucking collapsed!
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This is nothing about issue but interesting:
(http://2.1m.yt/nnysvx9.png)
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This is nothing about issue but interesting:
(http://2.1m.yt/nnysvx9.png)
There's a Dairy Queen down the road from my house. Does that mean I'm the Queen?
Someone bring me my crown and come cheese curds.
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You might want to know that you are not accessing the server in California.
http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/04/11/map-of-all-google-data-center-locations/
There a lots of Google data servers around the globe, decreasing latency by a big factor.
Why don't you try your calculation again with the data center nearest to you?
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As we know that, an idiot, Einstein suggested the speed of light as an upper limit. In theorically, nothing can move faster than it. But pratically, we exceed it by internet data transfers. I have done a bit of complicated work in this regard before. Now all we together will do a basic work to understand the issue. All of us will exceed the spped of light together.
Yes, you did a bit of useless complicated work which just proves you don't understand the internet at all.
You didn't show that the speed of light is violated, or that your model is correct.
Also, your speed was negative.
Now we'll look the distance between our computer and google.
This is ip location finder site:
Thanks for once again showing you don't understand how the internet works.
All that is showing is that the ip address is registered/owned by google.
It isn't showing it is in the US.
And if you use your site, putting in the IP address you used (216.58.212.46), they don't all show the same result.
There is 1 outlier, which looks like it might actually have some somewhat useful data.
It indicates it is located in Bulgaria:
Geolocation data from DB-IP (Product: Full, 2017-4-10)
IP Address Country Region City
216.58.212.46 Bulgaria Sofia-Capital Sofia
ISP Organization Latitude Longitude
Google Inc. Google Inc. 42.6977 23.3219
I'm assuming you live near Instanbul.
It is close to the point on your map.
That gives a distance of 506 km, so a speed of 84 km/ms=84 000 km / s, much slower than the speed of light at ~ 300 000 km / s.
Also note your ping is a mere 12 seconds, much shorter than the time to NY, further breaking your model, and with a distance (that you claim) completely inconsistent with your model. So you are just refuting yourself and making yourself and the entire FE movement look like an idiot. Are you sure you aren't controlled opposition?
The speed of the light upper limit theory is fucking collapsed!
Nope. Just any credibility you might have had.
All you have done is shown you don't understand the internet at all.
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They are all unnecessary people. So I do not see any of their post. It is already I don't care.
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They are all unnecessary people. So I do not see any of their post. It is already I don't care.
Well, still ignored.
Apparently I am able to disprove him.
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Mate, the speed of light is documented in a metres per second, so there is no use in you trying to work it out im kilometres per millisecond as that just opens you to massive errors.
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This is nothing about issue but interesting:
(http://2.1m.yt/nnysvx9.png)
Were you aware that Google has servers all over the world? They're not all in California. In fact, very few of them are in California. There are several data centers in Europe, much closer to you than any computer in CA.
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Inti is ignorant and proud of it!
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They are all unnecessary people. So I do not see any of their post. It is already I don't care.
Ladies and gentlemen, the ambassador for the Institute of Deliberate Stupidity, Dr İntikana Jones.
Could we get a mod to shift this thread into Complete Nonsense?
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They are all unnecessary people. So I do not see any of their post. It is already I don't care.
Yes, we are unnecessary, but that doesn't stop us refuting you.
The simple fact is that you do not understand the internet at all.
You aren't pinging a server in California. You are pinging one in Bulgaria, at a speed much lower than the speed of light.
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This is nothing about issue but interesting:
(http://2.1m.yt/nnysvx9.png)
Were you aware that Google has servers all over the world? They're not all in California. In fact, very few of them are in California. There are several data centers in Europe, much closer to you than any computer in CA.
I know. Be sure I'm also on it.
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C=fλ
With C being wave speed
f being wave frequency
λ being wavelength
Please oh wise one, explain your findings using this well thought out and proved formula, thank you.
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Were you aware that Google has servers all over the world? They're not all in California. In fact, very few of them are in California. There are several data centers in Europe, much closer to you than any computer in CA.
I know. Be sure I'm also on it.
Really? Because it seems like you are pretending they are all in CA, based upon you using CA as the location for the server you pinged, rather than Bulgaria.
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Could be worse I guess.
He's not trying to debunk Newton, that's a plus, I guess.
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Inky won't see these but I will post them anyway. So I pinged the same ip address he showed earlier. Then pinged google.com, it got another address with a much shorter latency, essentially meaning it was much closer to my physical location.
(http://i.imgur.com/hEjYAjD.png)
Yet when you use those free online tools like he did, What do you know they only show the location of the parent company.
(http://i.imgur.com/aYHfWIl.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/mzBgd2E.png)
and another IP address for google.com, what do ya know, it also shows in the same place on the online tool.
(http://i.imgur.com/17a8dlj.png)
Regardless, this is rather a dumb effort to undertake and try to use it as evidence when you have no clue as to how ip addresses work.
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Yet when you use those free online tools like he did, What do you know they only show the location of the parent company.
Actually, in one case it doesn't.
Putting in 216.58.212.46 in the site he linked, and scrolling down to the DB-IP entry, it gives you Sofia in Bulgaria.
Putting in 74.125.21.138 and scrolling down gives you Chicago, US.
172.217.8.174 also shows Chicago.
This is the database that is used:
https://db-ip.com/
But of course, he doesn't bother with that entry as it would show he is wrong.
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Yet when you use those free online tools like he did, What do you know they only show the location of the parent company.
Actually, in one case it doesn't.
Putting in 216.58.212.46 in the site he linked, and scrolling down to the DB-IP entry, it gives you Sofia in Bulgaria.
Putting in 74.125.21.138 and scrolling down gives you Chicago, US.
172.217.8.174 also shows Chicago.
This is the database that is used:
https://db-ip.com/
But of course, he doesn't bother with that entry as it would show he is wrong.
Ahh, I missed that. TY sir.
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Intikam, the fact that your new math calculates speeds in excess of the speed of light should not be interpreted as a great new discovery that upends all of physics. It should be interpreted as a sign that you've made a mistake. You are making an extraordinary claim, it requires extraordinary evidence to support it. Internet ping times do not rise to the level of "extraordinary". They are in fact quite misleading.
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Intikam, the fact that your new math calculates speeds in excess of the speed of light should not be interpreted as a great new discovery that upends all of physics. It should be interpreted as a sign that you've made a mistake.
So many times this.
;D ;D ;D
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I have a bigger issue with it being negative.
Edit: my bad, this one isn't negative, but his original one is.
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Jack what's the problem with it being negative, don't you know light actually travels towards the source from your eyes not the other way round, you just didn't account for this in your calculations, pffft call yourself smart, check your privilege mate
;)
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Intikam, the fact that your new math calculates speeds in excess of the speed of light should not be interpreted as a great new discovery that upends all of physics. It should be interpreted as a sign that you've made a mistake. You are making an extraordinary claim, it requires extraordinary evidence to support it. Internet ping times do not rise to the level of "extraordinary". They are in fact quite misleading.
Or maybe they are.
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Intikam, the fact that your new math calculates speeds in excess of the speed of light should not be interpreted as a great new discovery that upends all of physics. It should be interpreted as a sign that you've made a mistake. You are making an extraordinary claim, it requires extraordinary evidence to support it. Internet ping times do not rise to the level of "extraordinary". They are in fact quite misleading.
Or maybe they are.
Well no, no they aren't stop being silly.
Also how does Inti's ignore list work, like if someone he isn't ignoring quotes me, can he read it?
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Intikam, the fact that your new math calculates speeds in excess of the speed of light should not be interpreted as a great new discovery that upends all of physics. It should be interpreted as a sign that you've made a mistake. You are making an extraordinary claim, it requires extraordinary evidence to support it. Internet ping times do not rise to the level of "extraordinary". They are in fact quite misleading.
Or maybe they are.
Well no, no they aren't stop being silly.
Also how does Inti's ignore list work, like if someone he isn't ignoring quotes me, can he read it?
Yes - he can also click "show this post", which I suspect he does...
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Intikam, the fact that your new math calculates speeds in excess of the speed of light should not be interpreted as a great new discovery that upends all of physics. It should be interpreted as a sign that you've made a mistake. You are making an extraordinary claim, it requires extraordinary evidence to support it. Internet ping times do not rise to the level of "extraordinary". They are in fact quite misleading.
Or maybe they are.
Yes, they are misleading, especially when you aren't even bothering to find out where you are actually pinging and instead just pretending you are pinging the US.
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Yet when you use those free online tools like he did, What do you know they only show the location of the parent company.
Actually, in one case it doesn't.
Putting in 216.58.212.46 in the site he linked, and scrolling down to the DB-IP entry, it gives you Sofia in Bulgaria.
Putting in 74.125.21.138 and scrolling down gives you Chicago, US.
172.217.8.174 also shows Chicago.
This is the database that is used:
https://db-ip.com/
But of course, he doesn't bother with that entry as it would show he is wrong.
Quoting jackblack for anyone paying attention, since inky has most of the people who can destroy his claims quite easily on ignore.
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Uh, oh: quoting someone on the Naughty List is one of the ways to get added to the Naughty List...
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Uh, oh: quoting someone on the Naughty List is one of the ways to get added to the Naughty List...
What is your point?
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Uh, oh: quoting someone on the Naughty List is one of the ways to get added to the Naughty List...
What is your point?
My point is clear to those of us reading EVERY post. If you would stop ignoring people, you would be able to follow the whole conversation. It's not my job to get you caught up.
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Uh, oh...Sam Hill is added to the Naughty list...
I guess commenting about the Naughty list also will add you to the naughty list... :P
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First rule of the Naughty List, I guess.
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First rule of the ignore club, don't talk about the ignore club.
Also damn them to infinitive.
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OK guess, the way the internet works, is like this. When you ask to see a webpage, the page is divided into many small packets. Each packet finds the fasted path from the server to you.
If you live on the West coast and try to see a website that is housed in Turkey, some packets may travel through the underwater cable in the Pacific Ocean through Asia to Turkey, others may travel through the underwater cables in the Atlantic Ocean to Germany to Turkey.
Also large websites have multiple servers all over the world, and depending on your location, it will send you to the closest server.
The best way to find out the speeds is if you do a trace root for a website that way you know where the servers are house. It should also state the time that it needed to go from server to server
I don’t know what the outcome of this will have and I really don't care either way, but have fun with it.
If somebody has a better idea, please post it.
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I don’t know what the outcome of this will have and I really don't care either way
So why reply?
If somebody has a better idea, please post it.
Yeah, as a few of us have already said, the "better idea" is to abandon this. Ping times are not fixed. Attempting to measure distance with a variable yardstick is a fool's errand.
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Your are correct, ping times are not fixed but trace roots are fixed with time.
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Your are correct, ping times are not fixed but trace roots are fixed with time.
Route tracing uses the same mechanism as ping.
Both use ICMP echo request packets. The difference lies on the TTL value, ping uses a fixed value and trace uses an incrementing value.
Of course ping uses echo request and echo reply and trace uses echo request and TTL expired.
Both are unreliable and have low priority.
I must also refer that inter domain routes are established by administrative metrics unlike intra domain routing where shorter routes are preferred most of the time.
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Route tracing uses the same mechanism as ping.
Both use ICMP echo request packets. The difference lies on the TTL value, ping uses a fixed value and trace uses an incrementing value.
Of course ping uses echo request and echo reply and trace uses echo request and TTL expired.
Both are unreliable and have low priority.
I must also refer that inter domain routes are established by administrative metrics unlike intra domain routing where shorter routes are preferred most of the time.
No objection to that, thanks for the info.
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If somebody has a better idea, please post it.
The massive variability will make it quite difficult to get any useful data out of it.
The only useful data would be if there was a direct cable between continents in the southern hemisphere, where you might stand a chance at showing a massive discontinuity in speed, but there isn't, so that doesn't help.
It would also be better if you ran a test right on the cables themselves rather than needing to pass it through multiple points along the way, but even the cables have repeaters in them (unless it has changed since I last checked), making it pretty much entirely useless.
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Uh, oh: quoting someone on the Naughty List is one of the ways to get added to the Naughty List...
I've been on the Naughty list for a couple of weeks. Kind of fun here.
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Your are correct, ping times are not fixed but trace roots are fixed with time.
Ping times not being fixed is the key point. The ping times form the basis for this method, and if they are not fixed, the method is worthless.
By analogy, suppose you wanted to measure the distance from one gas station to another, but I gave you the value in "words", as in "how many words I was able to read between Texaco and Chevron" Depending on what book I was reading the number of words will fluctuate, giving you no basis for determining how far we drove.
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Your are correct, ping times are not fixed but trace roots are fixed with time.
Can you find trace times between 20 or 30 most popular cities in different locations in the world allow me create a map depends on it?
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Your are correct, ping times are not fixed but trace roots are fixed with time.
Can you find trace times between 20 or 30 most popular cities in different locations in the world allow me create a map depends on it?
You can't find direct ones, as there are no direct routes. Instead you just find the individual hops. And even then it can use repeaters which wont announce it.
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Your are correct, ping times are not fixed but trace roots are fixed with time.
Can you find trace times between 20 or 30 most popular cities in different locations in the world allow me create a map depends on it?
You can't find direct ones, as there are no direct routes. Instead you just find the individual hops. And even then it can use repeaters which wont announce it.
Repeaters work at transmission level and we can't detect them at IP level.
Also internet was invented by DARPA which is full of nasty scientists. We can't trust internet it's full of nasa shills and other very mean people.
Remember there is no mention of the internet in the holy books so it's an evil ungodly thing!
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Your are correct, ping times are not fixed but trace roots are fixed with time.
Can you find trace times between 20 or 30 most popular cities in different locations in the world allow me create a map depends on it?
Do your own homework, child.