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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: Callzter on March 24, 2017, 05:15:43 AM

Title: Lisa Blair and The Azimuthal Equidistant Projection
Post by: Callzter on March 24, 2017, 05:15:43 AM
As of the time that I calculated (18th March 2017), A very brave Australian woman by the name of Lisa Blair is circumnavigating the antarctic continent all by herself in nothing but a sailboat. As of the date above, she was out at the coast of Argentina and was sailing at about 7.2 knots.

If the earth was the shape AND the same projection flat earthers claim it to be, it would take her MUCH longer to reach the area that she was at on the 18th of March. According to a YouTuber by the name of CoolHardLogic in his flat earth debunking video, the circumference of the flat earth in between Argentina and Antarctica all around the edge of the planet between the landmasses is about 103,700 kilometers. This gap between Antartica and south america all around the edge in a circle is pretty much Lisa Blair's entire path for her journey.

On the 18th of March, she was 52% and 55 days through her journey on her way back to Perth Australia. 52% of 103,700 is 53,924 so she would've had to have covered 53,924 kilometers in only 55 days... but this is utterly impossible, as I mentioned that her average speed was about 7-8 knots. Let's be generous and say that she can remain a constant speed of 10 knots... unfortunately, it would take her about 121 days to do 53,924 kilometers instead of the TRUE 55 days at a much smaller distance and a slower speed.

In a nutshell, getting from Perth, Australia to the coast of Argentina in 55 days in a boat travelling 10 knots or less is utterly IMPOSSIBLE on an Azimuthal Equidistant Projection. It can only be explained on a round earth because her circle around Antarctica is smaller the closer to the south pole she is.

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Title: Re: Lisa Blair and The Azimuthal Equidistant Projection
Post by: southern hemispherer on March 24, 2017, 07:26:18 AM
You beat me to this post! I have been following her progress and daily blogs on and off for a few weeks now!  She is now 58% through the journey. Go to https://lisablairsailstheworld.com/ and you can get links to her tracking, blogs and other stuff. Of course there will be the doubters, "It is a hoax!" contrived by the global elite, just as for the Vendee Single Handed Around the World yacht race, the Cape to Rio yacht race, the around the world cruises of the Queen Elizabeth and Queen Mary ships, the voyage from South America to Australia of the Costa Luminosa ship,  the Volvo Ocean race for yacht crews, the trans-Tasman yacht race, and of course direct airplane flights in the Southern Hemisphere!
FE'ers just cannot argue against these with their Azimuthal model!
Title: Re: Lisa Blair and The Azimuthal Equidistant Projection
Post by: Jonny B Smart on March 24, 2017, 01:55:00 PM
Everything that disproves FE is "fake news," but any Cracker Jack "logic" can "demolish" RE. "Look! My balloon and straw disprove the existence of every space agency around the world."
Title: Re: Lisa Blair and The Azimuthal Equidistant Projection
Post by: Callzter on March 24, 2017, 02:27:45 PM
You beat me to this post! I have been following her progress and daily blogs on and off for a few weeks now!  She is now 58% through the journey. Go to https://lisablairsailstheworld.com/ and you can get links to her tracking, blogs and other stuff. Of course there will be the doubters, "It is a hoax!" contrived by the global elite, just as for the Vendee Single Handed Around the World yacht race, the Cape to Rio yacht race, the around the world cruises of the Queen Elizabeth and Queen Mary ships, the voyage from South America to Australia of the Costa Luminosa ship,  the Volvo Ocean race for yacht crews, the trans-Tasman yacht race, and of course direct airplane flights in the Southern Hemisphere!
FE'ers just cannot argue against these with their Azimuthal model!

It has became apparent to me that whenever a video surfaces showing the curvature or something happens that proves that the earth isn't flat it is IMMEDIATELY considered fake by the flat earth community.

I myself haven't seen the curvature, but I do know many people who HAVE on an airplane. (No curved windows, no excuses, it was the curvature). They're my loved ones, and I can trust them. I know with no doubt that the earth is a sphere.

Flat earthers don't seem to want to accept reality... they just want to believe what they want.
Title: Re: Lisa Blair and The Azimuthal Equidistant Projection
Post by: southern hemispherer on March 27, 2017, 06:03:26 AM
It has became apparent to me that whenever a video surfaces showing the curvature or something happens that proves that the earth isn't flat it is IMMEDIATELY considered fake by the flat earth community.

I myself haven't seen the curvature, but I do know many people who HAVE on an airplane. (No curved windows, no excuses, it was the curvature). They're my loved ones, and I can trust them. I know with no doubt that the earth is a sphere.

Flat earthers don't seem to want to accept reality... they just want to believe what they want.

I disagree that anyone has seen the true curvature first hand.When looking at a very large ball or sphere, you will always be able to see a circular portion of it. The actual curvature will always be from the point from the surface of the ball in a direct line from your observation point to the centre of the ball, to the circular horizon visible.  Do an experiment using a reasonably sized ball and a camera with a macro lens. You will only see a fraction of the surface from a mm away, and now calculate how high that mm would be above the earth. As an example, with a ball with a diameter of half a meter, one mm above the surface would equate to 25.5 km (83607 feet) above the earth's surface, and the distance to the horizon on the earth of 570 km (354 miles), could be compared to a circle of vision on the ball just 2.2 cm in radius.You are not seeing the curved edge of the ball from that height, just a perfectly round ring 2.2 cm away. It is the ring that portrays curvature, but all of that curvature is at he same altitude, , i.e. at sea level, if the viewing point is over an ocean.
Even the ISS, at 250 miles high, the horizon is just 1429 miles away, so you are seeing the horizon as a circle 2858 miles in diameter. The earth's diameter is 7964 miles, so you are only seeing less than a fifth of the size of the earth's surface from one side!
Even at about one million miles away, the distance the DSCOVR satellite is, you still do not see one complete hemisphere of the earth, as about 25 miles will be cut off by the ring that is the horizon. So if you were at a point above the equator, you would not see the poles, but only up to a point 25 miles before both poles.If you want my maths calculations for this, please ask.
You can test some of this if you have a pretty large ball. Draw different colored rings in very small bands on the surface that will be facing you, and place the ball at eye level. From close by, many of the larger bands will be hidden from view, but us you move further away, they will slowly come into view. If you could scale the final band to be the equivalence of about 25 miles wide on the earth (or about 0.4 of a degree or 1/900th of the circumference), and move back the equivalence of one million miles from the ball (or about 125 times the diameter of the ball), you should not be able to see this ring, only all the ones inside it. So the basic point is, if you are looking at a plain ball, do you see the curvature of the ball, or do you see what looks like a two dimensional circle, no matter which direction you look at the ball from?
Title: Re: Lisa Blair and The Azimuthal Equidistant Projection
Post by: southern hemispherer on March 27, 2017, 06:09:20 AM
P.S. I notice that whenever sailing distances in the Southern Hemisphere are brought up, there is a total lack of comments from FE'ers, as they can't​ defend it with their models!
Title: Re: Lisa Blair and The Azimuthal Equidistant Projection
Post by: Lonegranger on March 27, 2017, 01:48:14 PM
P.S. I notice that whenever sailing distances in the Southern Hemisphere are brought up, there is a total lack of comments from FE'ers, as they can't​ defend it with their models!

How can they be expected to defend it? What can they defend it with? The only avenue left open to them is to utilise one of the following:
It's a conspiracy
Lisa Blair is a paid Shill
Pour scorn on the whole thing
Pour scorn on the poster
Pour scorn on any one in the vicinity
Throw in a tangential comment to derail the whole thread
Or in this case ignore the post in the hope that it goes away.
Title: Re: Lisa Blair and The Azimuthal Equidistant Projection
Post by: Callzter on March 28, 2017, 01:25:51 AM
P.S. I notice that whenever sailing distances in the Southern Hemisphere are brought up, there is a total lack of comments from FE'ers, as they can't​ defend it with their models!

How can they be expected to defend it? What can they defend it with? The only avenue left open to them is to utilise one of the following:
It's a conspiracy
Lisa Blair is a paid Shill
Pour scorn on the whole thing
Pour scorn on the poster
Pour scorn on any one in the vicinity
Throw in a tangential comment to derail the whole thread
Or in this case ignore the post in the hope that it goes away.

Haha! Clearly the last option is the current case! It's the same as when I bring up the southern celestial pole, southern constellations, the upside down moon or really ANYTHING about the southern hemisphere that debunks the flat earth model.
Title: Re: Lisa Blair and The Azimuthal Equidistant Projection
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on March 28, 2017, 01:35:59 AM
Cool. She is "nearing" South Africa on day 66. Still quite far
I wonder if she will make any local news here.
Title: Re: Lisa Blair and The Azimuthal Equidistant Projection
Post by: rabinoz on March 28, 2017, 04:13:11 AM
Cool. She is "nearing" South Africa on day 66. Still quite far
I wonder if she will make any local news here.
The problem is that some smart aleck flat earth pops up with this sort of thing:
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I suppose it is a good thing that the AE map is simply an example for basic reference, and not purported to be accurate. Unfortunately for you, it renders your argument irrelevant.
But we have in "the Wiki"
Quote
Circumnavigation
The Flat Earth is laid out like the United Nations logo. The North Pole is at the center while Antarctica is at the rim. The continents are spread out around the North Pole.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/ta3djl.png)
Circumnavigation on an FE is achieved because on a compass East and West are always at right angles to North. Thus traveling Eastwards continuously takes you in a circle around the North Pole. East and West are curved
And in the FAQ
Quote
What does the map of the Earth look like then?
As evidenced by the logo of the United Nations the Earth is a round disk of indefinite dimensions. The geographic North Pole is located in the center of the disk, and the Antarctic lies around the outer edges.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/ta3djl.png)

It looks like an official map to me. And no great accuracy is needed to needed, with the E-W width of Australia being more than twice what it should be.