there isnt one because you just have to pick a book up and believe it,its what the educational system has shown you,globers have nothing to talk about amongst themselves so they must find us flat earthers simply amazing,all you do is go on and on about us flat earthers and we are wrong in everything we say so really in the back of your minds you must know we are on to something and are really quite interesting,if you didnt have any doubts about the globe earth you wouldnt be on here,i rest my case
or come on fella you keep using the same quotes,if your so right why keep on ::)there isnt one because you just have to pick a book up and believe it,its what the educational system has shown you,globers have nothing to talk about amongst themselves so they must find us flat earthers simply amazing,all you do is go on and on about us flat earthers and we are wrong in everything we say so really in the back of your minds you must know we are on to something and are really quite interesting,if you didnt have any doubts about the globe earth you wouldnt be on here,i rest my case
Why do we need one?
The earth is a globe, what's for us to discuss.
It fits all observations - even things like:
the sun setting behind the horizon (sorry jroa and ski!),
the sun staying the same size througout the day,
the times and directions of sunrise and sunset, and following on from this,
the length of daylight hours anywhere on earth, including the six months daylight and night at each pole.
the elevation angles of the sun from anywhere on earth and
how GPS works almost everywhere on earth, even over oceans far from land, though it;s a bit "flaky" near the poles.
These are just a few points that a lot of Flat Earthers seem to balk at.
i have answers to all your points just like you have to mine,keep them coming :-*or come on fella you keep using the same quotes,if your so right why keep on ::)there isnt one because you just have to pick a book up and believe it,its what the educational system has shown you,globers have nothing to talk about amongst themselves so they must find us flat earthers simply amazing,all you do is go on and on about us flat earthers and we are wrong in everything we say so really in the back of your minds you must know we are on to something and are really quite interesting,if you didnt have any doubts about the globe earth you wouldnt be on here,i rest my case
Why do we need one?
The earth is a globe, what's for us to discuss.
It fits all observations - even things like:
the sun setting behind the horizon (sorry jroa and ski!),
the sun staying the same size througout the day,
the times and directions of sunrise and sunset, and following on from this,
the length of daylight hours anywhere on earth, including the six months daylight and night at each pole.
the elevation angles of the sun from anywhere on earth and
how GPS works almost everywhere on earth, even over oceans far from land, though it;s a bit "flaky" near the poles.
These are just a few points that a lot of Flat Earthers seem to balk at.
Well, maybe if someone would answer how it happens, we would stop asking.hahaha how what happens,surely its in your books
Ahahah he is right. you are unsure so all you are here ? :)yes yes exactly right
All rounders are here for they are confused and trying to learn what is true?
How the stars rotate around the north and south pole.Well, maybe if someone would answer how it happens, we would stop asking.hahaha how what happens,surely its in your books
thats 5 questions surely it should be one at a time pal,there is no south poleHow the stars rotate around the north and south pole.Well, maybe if someone would answer how it happens, we would stop asking.hahaha how what happens,surely its in your books
How antarctica has month-long days
How the sun goes underneath the horizon
How southern stars are visible at all locations in the southern hemisphere
the list goes on. All this makes sense i a globe, but nobody in this society has ever answered it.
i have answers to all your points just like you have to mine,keep them coming :-*I asked some electron guy to draw me a picture how light moves from the sun to the observer when there is sunset in place where observer is. And either clouds are illuminated from below or from side like http://weatherpix.photoshelter.com/image/I00006R4L.JUlOQg . He deemed it impossible. If you have answers then maybe you can draw me a picture of sunset and put some nice lines there how exactly the light moves.
how can the sun go underneath the horizon,it makes no sence at all,it just fades out of view moving around the earth,mountains in way,ever thought of that,the sun is very close to us 3000 miles at the most,when the sun rises and sets its at its closest point to us to where we are on the earth,when it starts rising it gets further awayHow the stars rotate around the north and south pole.Well, maybe if someone would answer how it happens, we would stop asking.hahaha how what happens,surely its in your books
How antarctica has month-long days
How the sun goes underneath the horizon
How southern stars are visible at all locations in the southern hemisphere
the list goes on. All this makes sense i a globe, but nobody in this society has ever answered it.
il pick one out,the sun doesnt stay the same size during the day it gets smaller the higher it rises then gets bigger the lower it comes aroundthere isnt one because you just have to pick a book up and believe it,its what the educational system has shown you,globers have nothing to talk about amongst themselves so they must find us flat earthers simply amazing,all you do is go on and on about us flat earthers and we are wrong in everything we say so really in the back of your minds you must know we are on to something and are really quite interesting,if you didnt have any doubts about the globe earth you wouldnt be on here,i rest my case
Why do we need one?
The earth is a globe, what's for us to discuss.
It fits all observations - even things like:
the sun setting behind the horizon (sorry jroa and ski!),
the sun staying the same size througout the day,
the times and directions of sunrise and sunset, and following on from this,
the length of daylight hours anywhere on earth, including the six months daylight and night at each pole.
the elevation angles of the sun from anywhere on earth and
how GPS works almost everywhere on earth, even over oceans far from land, though it;s a bit "flaky" near the poles.
These are just a few points that a lot of Flat Earthers seem to balk at.
Trigonometry can prove that the sun is not anywhere near 3000 miles away. And the sun stays the same size as it sets.how can the sun go underneath the horizon,it makes no sence at all,it just fades out of view moving around the earth,mountains in way,ever thought of that,the sun is very close to us 3000 miles at the most,when the sun rises and sets its at its closest point to us,when it starts rising it gets further awayHow the stars rotate around the north and south pole.Well, maybe if someone would answer how it happens, we would stop asking.hahaha how what happens,surely its in your books
How antarctica has month-long days
How the sun goes underneath the horizon
How southern stars are visible at all locations in the southern hemisphere
the list goes on. All this makes sense i a globe, but nobody in this society has ever answered it.
yes it is the same size but closer or further away,im not sure how far but 3000 miles seems a good guess,you can see hotspots on clowds and when its clowdy you can see the rays of the sun shinning through the clowds focusing down as if its just above them,so no way is it 93 million miles away because it couldnt focus its rays through clouds that far away,you must have seen the suns rays pointing down through the clowds in a point of viewTrigonometry can prove that the sun is not anywhere near 3000 miles away. And the sun stays the same size as it sets.how can the sun go underneath the horizon,it makes no sence at all,it just fades out of view moving around the earth,mountains in way,ever thought of that,the sun is very close to us 3000 miles at the most,when the sun rises and sets its at its closest point to us,when it starts rising it gets further awayHow the stars rotate around the north and south pole.Well, maybe if someone would answer how it happens, we would stop asking.hahaha how what happens,surely its in your books
How antarctica has month-long days
How the sun goes underneath the horizon
How southern stars are visible at all locations in the southern hemisphere
the list goes on. All this makes sense i a globe, but nobody in this society has ever answered it.
The sun is 1 degree wide, which is why the sun rays poking through clouds can diverge 1 degree .Again, trigonometry proves that the sun is always much more than 3000 miles away.ok i agree with that but just agree with me its very close to us to show hotspots on clouds and it focuses its rays at times through the clouds with rays pointing strait down in an enclosed way,if the sun is 1 degree wide it would never lighten up half of the earth
I guess you fail at this task also. Sad.i have answers to all your points just like you have to mine,keep them coming :-*I asked some electron guy to draw me a picture how light moves from the sun to the observer when there is sunset in place where observer is. And either clouds are illuminated from below or from side like http://weatherpix.photoshelter.com/image/I00006R4L.JUlOQg . He deemed it impossible. If you have answers then maybe you can draw me a picture of sunset and put some nice lines there how exactly the light moves.
ok i agree with that but just agree with me its very close to us to show hotspots on cloudsCan you explain what has sun distance to do anything with hotspots on clouds?
whos the electron guy does he have any commen sence,his says mean nothingI guess you fail at this task also. Sad.i have answers to all your points just like you have to mine,keep them coming :-*I asked some electron guy to draw me a picture how light moves from the sun to the observer when there is sunset in place where observer is. And either clouds are illuminated from below or from side like http://weatherpix.photoshelter.com/image/I00006R4L.JUlOQg . He deemed it impossible. If you have answers then maybe you can draw me a picture of sunset and put some nice lines there how exactly the light moves.
Ah, Silicon was, not electron. But anyway, as I understand you also can't explain me such a smiple thing as how light moves from the sun to the sobserver at sunset. Really? Anyone?whos the electron guy does he have any commen sence,his says mean nothingI guess you fail at this task also. Sad.i have answers to all your points just like you have to mine,keep them coming :-*I asked some electron guy to draw me a picture how light moves from the sun to the observer when there is sunset in place where observer is. And either clouds are illuminated from below or from side like http://weatherpix.photoshelter.com/image/I00006R4L.JUlOQg . He deemed it impossible. If you have answers then maybe you can draw me a picture of sunset and put some nice lines there how exactly the light moves.
well its easy closer the heat hotter it gets,stop winding me up and listen for a changeok i agree with that but just agree with me its very close to us to show hotspots on cloudsCan you explain what has sun distance to do anything with hotspots on clouds?
your the smart one here you tell us,im an uneducated x army boy,you tell usAh, Silicon was, not electron. But anyway, as I understand you also can't explain me such a smiple thing as how light moves from the sun to the sobserver at sunset. Really? Anyone?whos the electron guy does he have any commen sence,his says mean nothingI guess you fail at this task also. Sad.i have answers to all your points just like you have to mine,keep them coming :-*I asked some electron guy to draw me a picture how light moves from the sun to the observer when there is sunset in place where observer is. And either clouds are illuminated from below or from side like http://weatherpix.photoshelter.com/image/I00006R4L.JUlOQg . He deemed it impossible. If you have answers then maybe you can draw me a picture of sunset and put some nice lines there how exactly the light moves.
No, I am not. You say that earth is flat and you stated that:your the smart one here you tell us,im an uneducated x army boy,you tell usAh, Silicon was, not electron. But anyway, as I understand you also can't explain me such a smiple thing as how light moves from the sun to the sobserver at sunset. Really? Anyone?whos the electron guy does he have any commen sence,his says mean nothingI guess you fail at this task also. Sad.i have answers to all your points just like you have to mine,keep them coming :-*I asked some electron guy to draw me a picture how light moves from the sun to the observer when there is sunset in place where observer is. And either clouds are illuminated from below or from side like http://weatherpix.photoshelter.com/image/I00006R4L.JUlOQg . He deemed it impossible. If you have answers then maybe you can draw me a picture of sunset and put some nice lines there how exactly the light moves.
i have answers to all your points just like you have to mine,keep them coming :-*But seems that you don't have answers. Just showing off I guess.
The sunbeams "spreading out" as they come through the clouds (a.k.a. crepuscular rays) sometimes do admittedly look like they should be coming from a source not far above the clouds. However it's an illusion. The sun is not straight above but lower in the sky where you're facing, therefore the beams are coming through the clouds at an angle. The beams coming through the clouds are parallel, but appear to spread out due to the perspective as they come towards you. Like train tracks seem to "spread out" as they approach you, but are in reality parallel.well at least you give an answer but its a load of poo,thx dude
svenanders started a round earth society, his forum is offline now. It was basically a clone of this forum.hahahahah ;D
FES starts a forum. 10 years later the same questions remain unanswered, even more ad hoc answers are provided, even more holes are revealed.svenanders started a round earth society, his forum is offline now. It was basically a clone of this forum.hahahahah ;D
Who needs GES? The entire modern science and wikipedia (as a basic source) and thousands of easily avaliable books all have everything you need to know. With evidence, experiments, proofs, measurements, research, all in details and it's only up to you whether you bother reading whatever you want and investigating results.omg here comes the science books again,for godsake look at things from another point of view rather than your science teathers ass,wake up
For instance, poeple across the world made multiple experiments about the curvature. There's a video that I've posted recently about one such experiment (FES pretends it doesn't exist) and results matched globe predictions.FES starts a forum. 10 years later the same questions remain unanswered, even more ad hoc answers are provided, even more holes are revealed.svenanders started a round earth society, his forum is offline now. It was basically a clone of this forum.hahahahah ;D
That's not funny. That's a fail.
omg here comes the science books again,for godsake look at things from another point of view rather than your science teathers ass,wake upObvious troll is obvious.
leave us in peace to enjoy our flat earth,we aint like you clowns we are happy peopleomg here comes the science books again,for godsake look at things from another point of view rather than your science teathers ass,wake upObvious troll is obvious.
Can you post a video of the sun getting smaller and bigger throughout the day?il pick one out,the sun doesnt stay the same size during the day it gets smaller the higher it rises then gets bigger the lower it comes aroundthere isnt one because you just have to pick a book up and believe it,its what the educational system has shown you,globers have nothing to talk about amongst themselves so they must find us flat earthers simply amazing,all you do is go on and on about us flat earthers and we are wrong in everything we say so really in the back of your minds you must know we are on to something and are really quite interesting,if you didnt have any doubts about the globe earth you wouldnt be on here,i rest my case
Why do we need one?
The earth is a globe, what's for us to discuss.
It fits all observations - even things like:
the sun setting behind the horizon (sorry jroa and ski!),
the sun staying the same size througout the day,
the times and directions of sunrise and sunset, and following on from this,
the length of daylight hours anywhere on earth, including the six months daylight and night at each pole.
the elevation angles of the sun from anywhere on earth and
how GPS works almost everywhere on earth, even over oceans far from land, though it;s a bit "flaky" near the poles.
These are just a few points that a lot of Flat Earthers seem to balk at.
The questions get answered, you just disagree with the answers.
The questions get answered, you just disagree with the answers.I have a question for you, If you flat earthers say the sun is getting closer and farther how come the temperature difference is only 20 or so degrees? Is there some magical force keeping the earth from getting too cold and too hot?
The questions get answered, you just disagree with the answers.I have a question for you, If you flat earthers say the sun is getting closer and farther how come the temperature difference is only 20 or so degrees? Is there some magical force keeping the earth from getting too cold and too hot?
The difference might be seen in flux of direct radiation from the Sun at noon and at 5 pm.
What would it be if Sun is 3000 miles coming and going, and what if just changes angle
of rays passing atmosphere and hitting ground from constant 93 million miles away.
Meanwhile, temperatures of the surrounding air and ground still don't have to fall quickly.
In a desert on Globe Earth nights are much colder than days.
Venus has much higher AVERAGE temperature than Mercury,
because of heat captured/preserved by thermal insulation properties of the atmosphere.
The Long Version. Quite long, in fact, and I apologize for that. But in order to adequately make the point, I need to cover a lot of ground that will be unfamiliar to most readers, so please bear with me. I have broken the monologue up into smaller chunks. Please, if you are going to quote from a section, EDIT IT DOWN to only the sentence or two you want to talk about, instead of quoting an entire post.
Infrared electromagnetic waves occupy the portion of the spectrum at lower energy (lower frequency and longer wavelength) than the visible light spectrum. The 'infra' portion of the word is from the Latin word for 'below'. All objects at temperatures above absolute zero emit infrared energy, and they emit across a range of frequencies: very little (essentially zero) energy at some minimum frequency, very little (essentially zero) at some maximum frequency, with a peak intensity somewhere between those two. The hotter an object is, the more it emits. This is known as Planck's Law (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck%27s_law). "More" in this instance has two meanings: it refers both to intensity (in the same way that a 100 watt bulb is brighter than a 60 watt bulb) and also to energy (in the same way that visible light has more energy than infrared). The relationship is illustrated by this image:
(http://www.electrical4u.com/images/february16/1456644479.gif)
Each line represents the radiation profile of an object at a certain temperature, in Degrees Kelvin. You can see that as temperature increases, the intensity (watts per square meter on the Y axis) increases at every wavelength, and you can also see that the curve shifts to the left, reaching its peak at lower and lower wavelengths (micrometers on the X axis). Lower wavelength equals higher energy, and more watts equals higher energy, both at the peak and in the total of all wavelengths.
Observations of the Sun have been performed with various infrared cameras over the years. These cameras actually detect TOTAL energy, not the individual wavelengths and their individual intensity. It is therefore necessary to know exactly how total energy and temperature are related, in order to determine an object's temperature from its infrared energy. There is a formula for this: the Stefan-Boltzman Law. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan–Boltzmann_law#Derivation_from_Planck.27s_law) Total energy is a function of the fourth power of absolute (Kelvin) temperature. From this law we can determine the surface temperature of any object by observing the infrared radiation it emits, and at the same time we can determine at what rate it radiates energy. This is how infrared cameras can “measure” temperature (I put “measure” in quotation marks because there is more to it than that, which we won’t get into here). We can do the same for very distant objects, like the sun. For the sun those numbers are: (http://www.eoearth.org/view/article/156098/) 5777 degrees Kelvin (the yellow line on the chart) and 63 million watts per square meter.
We can calculate the amount of energy that arrives at the upper atmosphere using the inverse square law, if we know the distance to the sun and its diameter. Doing the math for the one spot directly below the sun, and thus receiving the sun’s rays directly perpendicular, the energy arriving at earth varies with the distance from earth to sun as we orbit. The earth is closest to the sun at perihelion in January, when the earth is 147 million kilometers out. That works out to 211.1 solar radii, which results in an inverse square result of 1414 watts per square meter at the spot directly facing the sun. The outermost point in the orbit, aphelion, happens in July. We are at a distance of 152 million kilometers, or 218.3 solar radii. The inverse square result that day is therefore somewhat less, at 1322 watts. The quoted average on the internet varies; some sites use 1360 watts per square meter, some use 1370, while Wikipedia settles on the satellite-measured value of 1361. The subsolar point lies exactly on the equator on each equinox. Next, let’s move away from the subsolar point and consider Portland Oregon, just above the 45th parallel, also n equinox day. Portland will be slightly further from the sun than the equator will be, as curving a little bit around the planet adds a little bit of distance. That difference is only 1866 km, a vanishingly small fraction of the 5 million kilometer difference between aphelion to perihelion. Therefore we can ignore the change in distance and need only consider incident angle of the radiation, which in effect takes a square meter of radiation measured perpendicular to the sun and spreads it out over a larger surface area due to the curvature of the earth. This reduces the equinox day energy at Portland to 70% of the equatorial watts per square meter value. This calculated value agrees with measured values, as illustrated in the chart below.
(http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/EnergyBalance/images/solar_insolation_date.png)
i have answers to all your points just like you have to mine,keep them coming :-*or come on fella you keep using the same quotes,if your so right why keep on ::)there isnt one because you just have to pick a book up and believe it,its what the educational system has shown you,globers have nothing to talk about amongst themselves so they must find us flat earthers simply amazing,all you do is go on and on about us flat earthers and we are wrong in everything we say so really in the back of your minds you must know we are on to something and are really quite interesting,if you didnt have any doubts about the globe earth you wouldnt be on here,i rest my case
Why do we need one?
The earth is a globe, what's for us to discuss.
It fits all observations - even things like:
the sun setting behind the horizon (sorry jroa and ski!),
the sun staying the same size througout the day,
the times and directions of sunrise and sunset, and following on from this,
the length of daylight hours anywhere on earth, including the six months daylight and night at each pole.
the elevation angles of the sun from anywhere on earth and
how GPS works almost everywhere on earth, even over oceans far from land, though it;s a bit "flaky" near the poles.
These are just a few points that a lot of Flat Earthers seem to balk at.
For a start, on the on any Flat Earth model we have seen the sun is much closer when overhead and should appear larger.il pick one out,the sun doesnt stay the same size during the day it gets smaller the higher it rises then gets bigger the lower it comes aroundthere isnt one because you just have to pick a book up and believe it,its what the educational system has shown you,globers have nothing to talk about amongst themselves so they must find us flat earthers simply amazing,all you do is go on and on about us flat earthers and we are wrong in everything we say so really in the back of your minds you must know we are on to something and are really quite interesting,if you didnt have any doubts about the globe earth you wouldnt be on here,i rest my casethe sun staying the same size througout the day,
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The sunbeams "spreading out" as they come through the clouds (a.k.a. crepuscular rays) sometimes do admittedly look like they should be coming from a source not far above the clouds. However it's an illusion. The sun is not straight above but lower in the sky where you're facing, therefore the beams are coming through the clouds at an angle. The beams coming through the clouds are parallel, but appear to spread out due to the perspective as they come towards you. Like train tracks seem to "spread out" as they approach you, but are in reality parallel.well at least you give an answer but its a load of poo,thx dude