Round earth measurements show LA->Hong Kong is about the same distance as Santiago->Sydney (11,725km & 11,385 respectively). As Round Earthers would expect, flights between these cities have about the same duration (14h 50min & 14h 15min respectively) as seen here on Google:Either(http://i63.tinypic.com/dnf593.png)
According to Flat Earth models, Santiago->Chile is more than double the distance of LA->Hong Kong since the "southern hemisphere" is closer to the outer edge of the Earth as seen here:(http://i65.tinypic.com/4fvqx5.png)
How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?
Either
Completely ignore it and hope it goes away or
Be honest and admit that the usual FE map is completely wrong and join the, so far, fruitless search for an accurate one.
Nobody has claimed that to be the "official" or completely accurate layout of the flat Earth.
Nobody has claimed that to be the "official" or completely accurate layout of the flat Earth.
Nobody has claimed that to be the "official" or completely accurate layout of the flat Earth.
Nobody has claimed that to be the "official" or completely accurate layout of the flat Earth
Here, in a nutshell, is the primary problem that FE needs to solve. Paper is flat. The earth you're trying to map is flat (so you say). Therefore, it should be trivially easy to produce a flat map of a flat earth on flat paper. The fact that we keep hearing over and over "well, it's not really accurate..." says a lot.
How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?Your map is wrong.
How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?Your map is wrong.
Next silly question???
How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?Your map is wrong.
Next silly question???
Point out the error then. And fix it.
There are jet-streams on near of the edge of the earth specially near on Australia. This causes the distance feels like shorter. On the other hand the map you showed is not corrected by most of flathers. Because still we haven't any government to support our workings. Almost all flathers are amateurs andvolunteersretards. So it is hard to create a map better then you showed that can answer all questions.
There are jet-streams on near of the edge of the earth specially near on Australia. This causes the distance feels like shorter. On the other hand the map you showed is not corrected by most of flathers. Because still we haven't any government to support our workings. Almost all flathers are amateurs and volunteers. So it is hard to create a map better then you showed that can answer all questions.
There are jet-streams on near of the edge of the earth specially near on Australia. This causes the distance feels like shorter. On the other hand the map you showed is not corrected by most of flathers. Because still we haven't any government to support our workings. Almost all flathers are amateurs and volunteers. So it is hard to create a map better then you showed that can answer all questions.
Jet-streams work/blow all time in one direction. So, what about the back trip?
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html
read point 43 44
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html
read point 43 44
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/FlightRadar24%20-%20Flight%20QF28%20Santiago%20to%20Sydney_zpsnsoabtiu.jpg) FlightRadar24 - Flight QF28 Santiago to Sydney | (http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/FlightRadar24%20-%20Flight%20QF63%20Sydney%20to%20Johannesburg_zps5hwjducu.jpg) FlightRadar24 - Flight QF63 Sydney to Johannesburg |
Atlantean Conspiracy, 200 proofs earth is not spinning #44)
If Earth was a ball, and Antarctica was too cold to fly over, the only logical way to fly from Sydney to Santiago would be a straight shot over the Pacific staying in the Southern hemisphere the entire way. Re-fueling could be done in New Zealand or other Southern hemisphere destinations along the way if absolutely necessary. In actual fact, however, Santiago-Sydney flights go into the Northern hemisphere making stop-overs at LAX and other North American airports before continuing back down to the Southern hemisphere. Such ridiculously wayward detours make no sense on the globe but make perfect sense and form nearly straight lines when shown on a flat Earth map.
Can you show us a flat earth map that would explain these flight times?How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?Your map is wrong.
Next silly question???
According to this map, only a fool would fly near the north pole... Everything is close to "Antarctica"!
(https://s15.postimg.org/4x03oymsr/South_Pole_Is_A_Lie.jpg)
Can you show us a flat earth map that would explain these flight times?How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?Your map is wrong.
Next silly question???
Nobody has claimed that to be the "official" or completely accurate layout of the flat Earth.
Australia is closer to South America and the North Pole is wider.Can you show us a flat earth map that would explain these flight times?How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?Your map is wrong.
Next silly question???
The North Pole isn't on his map. The question was can you show a map that would explain the flight times.Australia is closer to South America and the North Pole is wider.Can you show us a flat earth map that would explain these flight times?How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?Your map is wrong.
Next silly question???
That is because his map is wrong.The North Pole isn't on his map.Australia is closer to South America and the North Pole is wider.Can you show us a flat earth map that would explain these flight times?How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?Your map is wrong.
Next silly question???
You once again avoided the question. His map doesn't show the North Pole because it is a representation of the Southern Hemisphere. Can you show a flat earth map that would explain the fight times?That is because his map is wrong.The North Pole isn't on his map.Australia is closer to South America and the North Pole is wider.Can you show us a flat earth map that would explain these flight times?How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?Your map is wrong.
Next silly question???
Yes! but not for free.You once again avoided the question. His map doesn't show the North Pole because it is a representation of the Southern Hemisphere. Can you show a flat earth map that would explain the fight times?That is because his map is wrong.The North Pole isn't on his map.Australia is closer to South America and the North Pole is wider.Can you show us a flat earth map that would explain these flight times?How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?Your map is wrong.
Next silly question???
A million Dollars iff you can provide a perfectly scaled map of a flat earth that matches for all flight plans and measured distances.Oooo good one!
No projections, the same scale for all parts. On a flat earth, this should be simple.
Yes! but not for free.You once again avoided the question. His map doesn't show the North Pole because it is a representation of the Southern Hemisphere. Can you show a flat earth map that would explain the fight times?That is because his map is wrong.The North Pole isn't on his map.Australia is closer to South America and the North Pole is wider.Can you show us a flat earth map that would explain these flight times?How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?Your map is wrong.
Next silly question???
How much are you willing to pay for the truth?
Make an offer and I will consider it.
A million Dollars iff you can provide a perfectly scaled map of a flat earth that matches for all flight plans and measured distances.Deal iff you provide a perfect means to verify the truth.
No projections, the same scale for all parts. On a flat earth, this should be simple.
Charming anarchist, I don't actually have a million dollars. I was being facetious. I still known that you cannot make a perfect map because the earth is a globe.
Charming anarchist, I don't actually have a million dollars. I was being facetious. I still known that you cannot make a perfect map because the earth is a globe.
I have a science teacher who knows math, science and even art well. I asked him to try to draw a map of a flat earth. 25 percent of the way, he said "I can't do the rest, it is physically impossible to do so.", so that means EARTH. IS. A. GLOBE.
Just checking in to see if this has been resolved. Have flat earthers made any progress on finding the accurate flat map?Intikam is currently working on what will no doubt be the go to flat earth map
Have flat earthers made any progress on finding the accurate flat map?
Just checking in to see if this has been resolved. Have flat earthers made any progress on finding the accurate flat map?
Just checking in to see if this has been resolved. Have flat earthers made any progress on finding the accurate flat map?
Flat Earthers can be likened to 2D cartoon characters living in a 3D real world. Yes, anything they say in the cartoon is real to them, it doesn't have to be to scale or proportion, as long as it looks OK. Anything goes, but don't ask for a technical, mathematical or scientific explanation.
Yes! but not for free.You once again avoided the question. His map doesn't show the North Pole because it is a representation of the Southern Hemisphere. Can you show a flat earth map that would explain the fight times?That is because his map is wrong.The North Pole isn't on his map.Australia is closer to South America and the North Pole is wider.Can you show us a flat earth map that would explain these flight times?How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?Your map is wrong.
Next silly question???
How much are you willing to pay for the truth?
Make an offer and I will consider it.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .If you think that "relativistic math" is really needed for an accurate mathematical explanation of tides on the Globe, then you do not ubderstand the problem.
In the absense of that I will accept a technical and mathematical explanation of tides on the RE.
You will need to use relativistic math, I will not accept anything that just "looks ok", I will also know if you copied and pasted from Google. Once you do this I will no longer take issue with you calling FE'ers stupid.
There are jet-streams on near of the edge of the earth specially near on Australia. This causes the distance feels like shorter.
The word of jet stream is a lie. So you are saying lie. Pilots don't care about jet streams. The time difference causes by mistakes of maps. Your try about defende the lie by jet streams proves your impotence.Which is it?
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .If you think that "relativistic math" is really needed for an accurate mathematical explanation of tides on the Globe, then you do not understand the problem.
In the absense of that I will accept a technical and mathematical explanation of tides on the RE.
You will need to use relativistic math, I will not accept anything that just "looks ok", I will also know if you copied and pasted from Google. Once you do this I will no longer take issue with you calling FE'ers stupid.
Nevertheless your request is almost impossible to fulfill as even a reasonably convincing accurate explanation of tides on the Globe is extremely difficult, and far from the simplistic explanation "given in schools". It has to include details of the ocean floor profile etc, etc.
But, what about a simpler task for you? Give a convincing explanation for lunar phases and lunar eclipses on the Flat Earth.
In providing an explanation for the tides I would not attempt to "explain the curvature of space-time causing the gravitational attraction".. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .If you think that "relativistic math" is really needed for an accurate mathematical explanation of tides on the Globe, then you do not understand the problem.
In the absense of that I will accept a technical and mathematical explanation of tides on the RE.
You will need to use relativistic math, I will not accept anything that just "looks ok", I will also know if you copied and pasted from Google. Once you do this I will no longer take issue with you calling FE'ers stupid.
Nevertheless your request is almost impossible to fulfill as even a reasonably convincing accurate explanation of tides on the Globe is extremely difficult, and far from the simplistic explanation "given in schools". It has to include details of the ocean floor profile etc, etc.
But, what about a simpler task for you? Give a convincing explanation for lunar phases and lunar eclipses on the Flat Earth.
How else would you explain the curvature of space-time causing the gravitational attraction?
No, I am not a physicist lol good pick, I am aware of how difficult the problem is. I was probably being a dick because he called me a troll.
I also can't explain lunar phases on a flat earth, I never claimed to believe in a flat earth.
Also, in the image provided, we should realize that the curvature would be a lot more pronounced than that.What exactly is curved? in your opinion.
I would suggest this as a more accurate map for a flat Earth (not exactly flat, but more like a bowl) to explain the flight paths. A completely flat Earth wouldn't be able to explain the motion of the sun in a straight arc at the equator at September 21. Also, in the image provided, we should realize that the curvature would be a lot more pronounced than that. Only differences between this theory and the one that the Earth is a sphere is that it is more flattened at the north pole and the Earth curves back away from the north pole after reaching the equator. The flight paths wouldn't be much longer at the tropic of Capricorn than they are at the equator. However, it would still be shorter to go through the northern hemisphere to reach the other side of the Earth.
Not that I am completely convinced that the Earth has that shape, but it works with the actual known astronomy except for the region near the south pole (which no independent researcher can visit as of now).
Fixed it :)There are jet-streams on near of the edge of the earth specially near on Australia. This causes the distance feels like shorter. On the other hand the map you showed is not corrected by most of flathers. Because still we haven't any government to support our workings. Almost all flathers are amateurs andvolunteersretards. So it is hard to create a map better then you showed that can answer all questions.