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Title: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: iWitness on July 27, 2016, 09:49:12 PM
Please explain: How does a concrete building survive 50+ million degree heat?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Hiroshima_Dome_1945.gif)
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima_Peace_Memorial

Yet Both WTC towers were completely destroyed from Jet Fuel which burns 600 degrees in the open air?

(http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/ndocs/nt_col1531c.jpg)

200,000 tons of Steel and 425,000 cubic yards of concrete OBLITERATED.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: sokarul on July 27, 2016, 10:31:04 PM
lol

duurrrrr


lol
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Brouwer on July 27, 2016, 11:30:46 PM
Yet Both WTC towers were completely destroyed from Jet Fuel which burns 600 degrees in the open air?

200,000 tons of Steel and 425,000 cubic yards of concrete OBLITERATED.
And the Pentagon was hit by an invisible plane.

yawn
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: markjo on July 28, 2016, 08:06:53 AM
Please explain: How does a concrete building survive 50+ million degree heat?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Hiroshima_Dome_1945.gif)
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima_Peace_Memorial
You seem to have a fairly generous definition of "survive".
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: iWitness on July 28, 2016, 08:41:10 AM
LOL @ trees still standing.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: markjo on July 28, 2016, 09:09:23 AM
BTW, the atomic bomb exploded at an altitude of 1870 feet over Hiroshima.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Son of Orospu on July 28, 2016, 09:34:18 AM
BTW, the atomic bomb exploded at an altitude of 1870 feet over Hiroshima.

I am fairly sure that the blast was supposed to go more than 1/3 of a mile, markjo.  ::)
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: markjo on July 28, 2016, 09:53:01 AM
BTW, the atomic bomb exploded at an altitude of 1870 feet over Hiroshima.

I am fairly sure that the blast was supposed to go more than 1/3 of a mile, markjo.  ::)
All of the buildings that didn't survive the blast suggest that you're right.  Do you have a point?
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: iWitness on July 28, 2016, 10:22:06 AM
It's just proof that we're living in a false reality.

To suggest that a single bomb devastated an entire city and vaporized Human Bones, and there still be trees standing. Likewise and equally absurd, is suggesting Jet Fuel could bring down two of the most sophisticated skyscrapers the world has ever seen.

Conclusion: Nukes and 9/11 are a fraud.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: markjo on July 28, 2016, 10:24:01 AM
It's just proof that we're living in a false reality.
Reality is for people who can't handle drugs.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Son of Orospu on July 28, 2016, 10:25:58 AM
BTW, the atomic bomb exploded at an altitude of 1870 feet over Hiroshima.

I am fairly sure that the blast was supposed to go more than 1/3 of a mile, markjo.  ::)
All of the buildings that didn't survive the blast suggest that you're right.  Do you have a point?

Just pointing out your debating fallacies. 
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: markjo on July 28, 2016, 11:06:03 AM
BTW, the atomic bomb exploded at an altitude of 1870 feet over Hiroshima.

I am fairly sure that the blast was supposed to go more than 1/3 of a mile, markjo.  ::)
All of the buildings that didn't survive the blast suggest that you're right.  Do you have a point?

Just pointing out your debating fallacies.
Oh?  When did you do that? ???
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Son of Orospu on July 28, 2016, 11:17:55 AM
BTW, the atomic bomb exploded at an altitude of 1870 feet over Hiroshima.

I am fairly sure that the blast was supposed to go more than 1/3 of a mile, markjo.  ::)
All of the buildings that didn't survive the blast suggest that you're right.  Do you have a point?

Just pointing out your debating fallacies.
Oh?  When did you do that? ???

Always.  Were you in a coma, or were monkeys pecking on your keyboard? 
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: markjo on July 28, 2016, 12:09:58 PM
BTW, the atomic bomb exploded at an altitude of 1870 feet over Hiroshima.

I am fairly sure that the blast was supposed to go more than 1/3 of a mile, markjo.  ::)
All of the buildings that didn't survive the blast suggest that you're right.  Do you have a point?

Just pointing out your debating fallacies.
Oh?  When did you do that? ???

Always.  Were you in a coma, or were monkeys pecking on your keyboard?
Hmm...  I keep warning you about your drinking.  It looks like you're hallucinating again.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: sokarul on July 28, 2016, 12:50:21 PM
It's just proof that we're living in a false reality.

To suggest that a single bomb devastated an entire city and vaporized Human Bones, and there still be trees standing. Likewise and equally absurd, is suggesting Jet Fuel could bring down two of the most sophisticated skyscrapers the world has ever seen.

Conclusion: Nukes and 9/11 are a fraud.
Science is scary isn't it?
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on July 28, 2016, 02:45:58 PM
It's just proof that we're living in a false reality.

To suggest that a single bomb devastated an entire city and vaporized Human Bones, and there still be trees standing. Likewise and equally absurd, is suggesting Jet Fuel could bring down two of the most sophisticated skyscrapers the world has ever seen.

Conclusion: Nukes and 9/11 are a fraud.

Or that nukes are real but 9/11 is an inside job.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: iWitness on July 28, 2016, 06:01:05 PM
lol, only in your sci-fi wet dreams...
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on July 28, 2016, 07:47:17 PM
lol, only in your sci-fi wet dreams...

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe that building was a little more stronger than the surrounding buildings and that the trees being skinny offered little surface area to be pushed down and they are flexible?
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: sceptimatic on July 29, 2016, 02:17:29 AM
lol, only in your sci-fi wet dreams...

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe that building was a little more stronger than the surrounding buildings and that the trees being skinny offered little surface area to be pushed down and they are flexible?
Has it occurred to you that nukes are more likely just a scare mongering tactic that cannot do anything destructive unless they're used in fictional books or TV films?
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: sokarul on July 29, 2016, 06:41:33 AM
lol, only in your sci-fi wet dreams...

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe that building was a little more stronger than the surrounding buildings and that the trees being skinny offered little surface area to be pushed down and they are flexible?
Has it occurred to you that nukes are more likely just a scare mongering tactic that cannot do anything destructive unless they're used in fictional books or TV films?
Fucking leave.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: markjo on July 29, 2016, 06:58:53 AM
lol, only in your sci-fi wet dreams...

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe that building was a little more stronger than the surrounding buildings and that the trees being skinny offered little surface area to be pushed down and they are flexible?
Has it occurred to you that nukes are more likely just a scare mongering tactic that cannot do anything destructive unless they're used in fictional books or TV films?
Here are some lawyers that would disagree with you:
Quote from: http://www.nevadatestsite.info/
If you or your family member have had internal cancer, leukemia or other lung illness like fibrosis or silicosis within the last fifty years (even if family member is deceased) or if you get cancer/ leukemia or one of these lung illnesses and were physically present at the Nevada test site / Mercury Nevada, Trinity test site / Los Alamos New Mexico.  South Pacific / Marshall Islands - Bikini Atoll, Enewetak Atoll, Johnson Island or Christmas Island.  South Atlantic Argus 1, 2 or 3.  Operation Wigwam, Operation Hardtack One shot Yucca, Operation Dominic One shot Frigate Bird or shot Swordfish or Amchitka Island, Alaska and were exposed to radiation you may qualify for $75,000 to $400,000 tax free.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: sceptimatic on July 29, 2016, 07:22:52 AM
lol, only in your sci-fi wet dreams...

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe that building was a little more stronger than the surrounding buildings and that the trees being skinny offered little surface area to be pushed down and they are flexible?
Has it occurred to you that nukes are more likely just a scare mongering tactic that cannot do anything destructive unless they're used in fictional books or TV films?
Here are some lawyers that would disagree with you:
Quote from: http://www.nevadatestsite.info/
If you or your family member have had internal cancer, leukemia or other lung illness like fibrosis or silicosis within the last fifty years (even if family member is deceased) or if you get cancer/ leukemia or one of these lung illnesses and were physically present at the Nevada test site / Mercury Nevada, Trinity test site / Los Alamos New Mexico.  South Pacific / Marshall Islands - Bikini Atoll, Enewetak Atoll, Johnson Island or Christmas Island.  South Atlantic Argus 1, 2 or 3.  Operation Wigwam, Operation Hardtack One shot Yucca, Operation Dominic One shot Frigate Bird or shot Swordfish or Amchitka Island, Alaska and were exposed to radiation you may qualify for $75,000 to $400,000 tax free.
You did actually say that some lawyers would disagree with me. Lawyers.
Are these the same lawyers that would do anything to make a dollar/pound or whatever currency is their preferred/usual spend?

Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: sokarul on July 29, 2016, 07:27:39 AM
Maybe their parents worked at Rocky Flat and contracted cancer from make nuclear bombs.

Fucking leave.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: markjo on July 29, 2016, 09:36:49 AM
lol, only in your sci-fi wet dreams...

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe that building was a little more stronger than the surrounding buildings and that the trees being skinny offered little surface area to be pushed down and they are flexible?
Has it occurred to you that nukes are more likely just a scare mongering tactic that cannot do anything destructive unless they're used in fictional books or TV films?
Here are some lawyers that would disagree with you:
Quote from: http://www.nevadatestsite.info/
If you or your family member have had internal cancer, leukemia or other lung illness like fibrosis or silicosis within the last fifty years (even if family member is deceased) or if you get cancer/ leukemia or one of these lung illnesses and were physically present at the Nevada test site / Mercury Nevada, Trinity test site / Los Alamos New Mexico.  South Pacific / Marshall Islands - Bikini Atoll, Enewetak Atoll, Johnson Island or Christmas Island.  South Atlantic Argus 1, 2 or 3.  Operation Wigwam, Operation Hardtack One shot Yucca, Operation Dominic One shot Frigate Bird or shot Swordfish or Amchitka Island, Alaska and were exposed to radiation you may qualify for $75,000 to $400,000 tax free.
You did actually say that some lawyers would disagree with me. Lawyers.
Are these the same lawyers that would do anything to make a dollar/pound or whatever currency is their preferred/usual spend?
Do you really think that the government would pay millions in damages if the nukes weren't real?
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: sceptimatic on July 29, 2016, 10:05:48 AM
lol, only in your sci-fi wet dreams...

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe that building was a little more stronger than the surrounding buildings and that the trees being skinny offered little surface area to be pushed down and they are flexible?
Has it occurred to you that nukes are more likely just a scare mongering tactic that cannot do anything destructive unless they're used in fictional books or TV films?
Here are some lawyers that would disagree with you:
Quote from: http://www.nevadatestsite.info/
If you or your family member have had internal cancer, leukemia or other lung illness like fibrosis or silicosis within the last fifty years (even if family member is deceased) or if you get cancer/ leukemia or one of these lung illnesses and were physically present at the Nevada test site / Mercury Nevada, Trinity test site / Los Alamos New Mexico.  South Pacific / Marshall Islands - Bikini Atoll, Enewetak Atoll, Johnson Island or Christmas Island.  South Atlantic Argus 1, 2 or 3.  Operation Wigwam, Operation Hardtack One shot Yucca, Operation Dominic One shot Frigate Bird or shot Swordfish or Amchitka Island, Alaska and were exposed to radiation you may qualify for $75,000 to $400,000 tax free.
You did actually say that some lawyers would disagree with me. Lawyers.
Are these the same lawyers that would do anything to make a dollar/pound or whatever currency is their preferred/usual spend?
Do you really think that the government would pay millions in damages if the nukes weren't real?
What is a Government?
We can be told that X,Y and Z were paid X,Y and Z payouts and yet we have no way of knowing.


Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: markjo on July 29, 2016, 11:56:27 AM
lol, only in your sci-fi wet dreams...

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe that building was a little more stronger than the surrounding buildings and that the trees being skinny offered little surface area to be pushed down and they are flexible?
Has it occurred to you that nukes are more likely just a scare mongering tactic that cannot do anything destructive unless they're used in fictional books or TV films?
Here are some lawyers that would disagree with you:
Quote from: http://www.nevadatestsite.info/
If you or your family member have had internal cancer, leukemia or other lung illness like fibrosis or silicosis within the last fifty years (even if family member is deceased) or if you get cancer/ leukemia or one of these lung illnesses and were physically present at the Nevada test site / Mercury Nevada, Trinity test site / Los Alamos New Mexico.  South Pacific / Marshall Islands - Bikini Atoll, Enewetak Atoll, Johnson Island or Christmas Island.  South Atlantic Argus 1, 2 or 3.  Operation Wigwam, Operation Hardtack One shot Yucca, Operation Dominic One shot Frigate Bird or shot Swordfish or Amchitka Island, Alaska and were exposed to radiation you may qualify for $75,000 to $400,000 tax free.
You did actually say that some lawyers would disagree with me. Lawyers.
Are these the same lawyers that would do anything to make a dollar/pound or whatever currency is their preferred/usual spend?
Do you really think that the government would pay millions in damages if the nukes weren't real?
What is a Government?
We can be told that X,Y and Z were paid X,Y and Z payouts and yet we have no way of knowing.
That's why even the government is answerable to the legal system.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on July 29, 2016, 12:19:40 PM
lol, only in your sci-fi wet dreams...

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe that building was a little more stronger than the surrounding buildings and that the trees being skinny offered little surface area to be pushed down and they are flexible?
Has it occurred to you that nukes are more likely just a scare mongering tactic that cannot do anything destructive unless they're used in fictional books or TV films?

Do you have any proof?
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: sceptimatic on July 29, 2016, 12:25:11 PM
lol, only in your sci-fi wet dreams...

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe that building was a little more stronger than the surrounding buildings and that the trees being skinny offered little surface area to be pushed down and they are flexible?
Has it occurred to you that nukes are more likely just a scare mongering tactic that cannot do anything destructive unless they're used in fictional books or TV films?
Here are some lawyers that would disagree with you:
Quote from: http://www.nevadatestsite.info/
If you or your family member have had internal cancer, leukemia or other lung illness like fibrosis or silicosis within the last fifty years (even if family member is deceased) or if you get cancer/ leukemia or one of these lung illnesses and were physically present at the Nevada test site / Mercury Nevada, Trinity test site / Los Alamos New Mexico.  South Pacific / Marshall Islands - Bikini Atoll, Enewetak Atoll, Johnson Island or Christmas Island.  South Atlantic Argus 1, 2 or 3.  Operation Wigwam, Operation Hardtack One shot Yucca, Operation Dominic One shot Frigate Bird or shot Swordfish or Amchitka Island, Alaska and were exposed to radiation you may qualify for $75,000 to $400,000 tax free.
You did actually say that some lawyers would disagree with me. Lawyers.
Are these the same lawyers that would do anything to make a dollar/pound or whatever currency is their preferred/usual spend?
Do you really think that the government would pay millions in damages if the nukes weren't real?
What is a Government?
We can be told that X,Y and Z were paid X,Y and Z payouts and yet we have no way of knowing.
That's why even the government is answerable to the legal system.
And this is where is goes deeper down that rabbit hole. What is the legal system?
Who runs it?
Someone has to have control. Who?

Those who control the money control the entire system.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: sceptimatic on July 29, 2016, 12:33:00 PM
lol, only in your sci-fi wet dreams...

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe that building was a little more stronger than the surrounding buildings and that the trees being skinny offered little surface area to be pushed down and they are flexible?
Has it occurred to you that nukes are more likely just a scare mongering tactic that cannot do anything destructive unless they're used in fictional books or TV films?

Do you have any proof?
That's down to interpretation and using detective skills and common sense, plus hunches. You know, that kind of stuff.

Is it a proof?....No it's not, but as iWitness said: nukes can't destroy concrete buildings but jet fuel can......???

If you have no issue with anything and don't feel like it deserves further digging, then leave it and accept it. The thing is, plenty of people do have an issue and they aren't all flat Earth theorists, either.

This nuke stuff has a strong smell of bullshit about it in some aspects. Proving that would be nigh on impossible for the average Joe, or even the above average Joe.

Even in the 40's when the bombs were allegedly detonated, the news channel had it down as a propaganda machine in motion, citing that there was no nukes.

Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: origamiscienceguy on July 29, 2016, 04:25:32 PM
Is there no way to compromise theories?

Like government nuked one building, and terrorists crashed two planes into one building.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: markjo on July 29, 2016, 08:41:48 PM
And this is where is goes deeper down that rabbit hole.
They have good drugs down that rabbit hole, don't they?
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 29, 2016, 09:19:37 PM
And this is where is goes deeper down that rabbit hole.

They have good drugs down that rabbit hole, don't they?


Suppositories - everything is a trade off.

Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Rama Set on July 30, 2016, 05:21:37 AM
Please explain: How does a concrete building survive 50+ million degree heat?


Hydrogen bombs create that kind of heat, the bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not so much.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: rabinoz on July 30, 2016, 05:48:57 AM
It's just proof that we're living in a false reality.

To suggest that a single bomb devastated an entire city and vaporized Human Bones, and there still be trees standing. Likewise and equally absurd, is suggesting Jet Fuel could bring down two of the most sophisticated skyscrapers the world has ever seen.

Conclusion: Nukes and 9/11 are a fraud.

You ask "How does a concrete building survive 50+ million degree heat?" Well the simple answer is that they didn't have to!
"The Hiroshima fireball was 370 metres (1,200 ft) in diameter, with a surface temperature of 6,000 °C (10,830 °F)."
Not quite the ridiculous figure came up with!

It might depend on how far from "ground zero" the buildings were.

(http://www.museumofthecity.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/hiroshima-before.jpg)
US military aerial photograph of Hiroshima
before the atomic bomb, with concentric circles 1000 feet apart from
the hypocenter of the atomic bomb’s target.
   
(http://www.museumofthecity.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/hiroshima-after.jpg)
Japanese aerial photograph of Hiroshima after the atomic bomb.
Looks pretty devastated to me!

(http://www.museumofthecity.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/nagasaki-before.jpg)
US military photograph of Nagasaki before the use of the atomic bomb.
   
(http://www.museumofthecity.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/nagasaki-after.jpg)
US military photograph of Nagasaki after the use of the atomic bomb.

While the atomic bombs were very powerful, they were not "infinite" (luckily). The Hiroshima bomb, "Little Boy" was estimated to be 15 ±20% kiloton and the Nagasaki bomb, "Fat Man", 21 ±10% kiloton.

Compare these photographs:
(http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Tokyo-and-Hiroshima-1945.jpg)
The ruins of 1945: Tokyo, left, and Hiroshima, right.

I think Tokyo did not fare any better. True it took maybe 1,000 bombers to do similar damage and there wasn't the searing heat and terrible radiation burns, but the building damage was nearly as severe and over a larger area.

The human tragedy from both the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs totalled over 100,000 killed with a similar number killed in Tokyo from the fire-bombings.

This might be a disturbing read, though maybe worthwhile Tokyo vs. Hiroshima. (http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2014/09/22/tokyo-hiroshima/)

No, those nuclear explosions were hardly frauds!

Then you claim that the buildings in 9/11 were "obliterated". Well hardly!
They lasted quite a period and I believe burning fuel poured down the lift wells and while it did not melt any steel it severely weakened it.
The buildings were designed so that a large part of their strength was in the central steel core, making them quite vulnerable to this type of failure.
Also, I would guess that the floors severely damaged by the aircraft collisions collapsed first adding shoch loading to floors below.

Still, so people need all these conspiracies to keep them happy. so who am I to deny them?

But my conclusion is that iWitness is a fraud.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: iWitness on July 30, 2016, 05:50:45 AM
Trees, I repeat! TREES CANNOT SURVIVE 10,830 °F
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: origamiscienceguy on July 30, 2016, 08:46:28 AM
It's called petrification.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: sceptimatic on July 30, 2016, 08:48:28 AM
It's called petrification.
No it's not.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Woody on July 30, 2016, 10:27:21 AM
Trees, I repeat! TREES CANNOT SURVIVE 10,830 °F

Here you can find more stuff you can just claim is proof of what ever you believe.

http://www.atomicarchive.com/Docs/MED/med_chp9.shtml

It gives some data on damage to buildings at different distances. Even covers effects of flash heat at different distances

Seems how thick the walls were, material and distance played a roll in amount of damage caused to a building. Distance was also a factor in the affects of flash heat.

So what is your estimate and calculations of how much heat certain trees can with stand for lets say about 1 second? 

How far away from the blast do they need to be not to be uprooted or completely destroyed by combustion? 

Why would a building not being completely destroyed by a nuclear bomb be evidence that planes hitting buildings can not cause catastrophic structural failure?

Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: markjo on July 30, 2016, 01:58:21 PM
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Trees, I repeat! TREES CANNOT SURVIVE 10,830 °F
That would depend greatly on the size of the trees and how long the heat is applied.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: rabinoz on July 30, 2016, 02:09:55 PM
Trees, I repeat! TREES CANNOT SURVIVE 10,830 °F
And I repeat, you iWitness is a fraud!

Quote from: Atomic Archive
The Nagasaki Prefectural report describes vividly the effects of the bomb on the city and its inhabitants:

"Within a radius of 1 kilometer from X, men and animals died almost instantaneously and outside a radius of 1 kilometer and within a radius of 2 kilometers from X, some men and animals died instantly from the great blast and heat but the great majority were seriously or superficially injured. Houses and other structures were completely destroyed while fires broke out everywhere. Trees were uprooted and withered by the heat.

"Outside a radius of 2 kilometers and within a radius of 4 kilometers from X, men and animals suffered various degrees of injury from window glass and other fragments scattered about by the blast and many were burned by the intense heat. Dwellings and other structures were half damaged by blast.

So, who made you the expert that knows so much more than those that witnessed the destruction?
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: iWitness on July 30, 2016, 06:38:27 PM
Quote
So, who made you the expert that knows so much more than those that witnessed the destruction?

How about the fact there are trees in the picture:

(http://www.hindustantimes.com/Images/popup/2015/8/dome-old.jpg)

Also, they claim a single bomb "uprooted trees" yet there is no visible blast radius evident. You would expect to see trees and debris blown in all directions from the epicenter, but no...

Note how there roads are clear of any trash or debris also, suggesting that Hiroshima was Carpet-bombed like Tokyo. Compare Hiroshima with pictures of Tokyo firebombing:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Tokyo_1945-3-10-1.jpg)

You really can't tell a difference. There is no evidence that a 50+ million degree bomb went off and vaporized human bones.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: sokarul on July 30, 2016, 09:40:14 PM
If there is no oxygen present the trees can't burn. They will decompose or turn to charcoal. Do you have any evidence that the trees aren't just charcoal or charcoal on the outside so the inside couldn't burn?
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Woody on July 30, 2016, 09:53:42 PM
Quote
So, who made you the expert that knows so much more than those that witnessed the destruction?

How about the fact there are trees in the picture:

(http://www.hindustantimes.com/Images/popup/2015/8/dome-old.jpg)

Also, they claim a single bomb "uprooted trees" yet there is no visible blast radius evident. You would expect to see trees and debris blown in all directions from the epicenter, but no...

Note how there roads are clear of any trash or debris also, suggesting that Hiroshima was Carpet-bombed like Tokyo. Compare Hiroshima with pictures of Tokyo firebombing:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Tokyo_1945-3-10-1.jpg)

You really can't tell a difference. There is no evidence that a 50+ million degree bomb went off and vaporized human bones.

(http://cdn3.historyextra.com/sites/default/files/GettyImages-104405329_0.jpg)

(https://prophecypanicbutton.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/nagasaki-church.jpg?w=300&h=234)

(http://image.slidesharecdn.com/68thanniversaryofatomicbombingofhiroshima-130806145151-phpapp01/95/68th-anniversary-of-atomic-bombing-of-hiroshima-12-638.jpg?cb=1375800823)
Do you think there might be roads going between those buildings under that debri?


It very well could be close to ground zero the roads are clear of a lot of debri because it was blown away.  Also some roads were cleared after the blast to get in and out of the both cities.  Military and emergency personnel needed to get in and out to help survivors and evacuate them.

Also why with a country the US was at war with go along with the whole fake nuclear bomb thing?  Plus fire bombing required a lot of aircraft.  The Tokyo fire bombing used around 180 bombers and destroyed about 640 acres.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: disputeone on August 02, 2016, 06:01:15 PM
Is there no way to compromise theories?

Like government nuked one building, and terrorists crashed two planes into one building.

This.

Also e=mc2 so nukes exist.

Edit, love how everyone jumps on nukes existence because you can prove it with science.

No one wants to discuss the "total progressive collapse" of building 7,
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Post by: iWitness on August 02, 2016, 10:32:33 PM
If anyone has any doubt that nuclear weapons may be a psy-op hoax, then watch this Chinese Nuclear Bomb test:


Skip to 0:25 for the Amazing special effects!

(http://i63.tinypic.com/10qht6x.jpg)

I must be a MORAN to question the authenticity of this test footage.
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Post by: Woody on August 02, 2016, 10:38:15 PM
If anyone has any doubt that nuclear weapons may be a psy-op hoax, then watch this Chinese Nuclear Bomb test:


Skip to 0:25 for the Amazing special effects!

(http://i63.tinypic.com/10qht6x.jpg)

I must be a MORAN to question the authenticity of this test footage.

What should it look like?
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: iWitness on August 02, 2016, 10:46:38 PM
Not like 1980s arcade graphics
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Post by: sceptimatic on August 03, 2016, 12:25:14 AM
If anyone has any doubt that nuclear weapons may be a psy-op hoax, then watch this Chinese Nuclear Bomb test:


Skip to 0:25 for the Amazing special effects!

(http://i63.tinypic.com/10qht6x.jpg)

I must be a MORAN to question the authenticity of this test footage.

What should it look like?
Seriously, Woody?
I believe you're intelligent enough to see this garbage for what it is. Click your mind out of the propaganda/indoctrination mode and you'll plainly see we've been massively duped with this stuff.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Catherine Bonot on August 03, 2016, 09:38:16 AM
Hi All,

So apparently it is because the temperature got so high (with the fuel in the wings) that the buckling strength of the tower's steel work reached its limit. In Europe most buildings are made of reinforced concrete (not steel) and this collapse would not have happened).

Open to comments,

BR,
Catherine

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Post by: iWitness on August 03, 2016, 08:51:15 PM
lol
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Post by: Rama Set on August 04, 2016, 08:56:12 AM
lol

You think hydrogen bombs were dropped on Japan, so maybe you should show some humility?
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: markjo on August 04, 2016, 01:08:37 PM
Please explain: How does a concrete building survive 50+ million degree heat?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Hiroshima_Dome_1945.gif
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima_Peace_Memorial

Yet Both WTC towers were completely destroyed from Jet Fuel which burns 600 degrees in the open air?

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/ndocs/nt_col1531c.jpg

200,000 tons of Steel and 425,000 cubic yards of concrete OBLITERATED.
BTW, it was the steel support beams that failed in the WTC collapse, not the concrete.
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Post by: Son of Orospu on August 04, 2016, 01:11:31 PM
At what temperature does steel melt?
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Post by: markjo on August 04, 2016, 03:35:20 PM
Which alloy?
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Post by: Son of Orospu on August 06, 2016, 08:36:03 AM
Which alloy?

A992, O1, A2, 1095, and W2.

Or, how about the structural steel that the beams in question were made from?   
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Post by: markjo on August 06, 2016, 10:30:02 AM
Structural steel loses much of its strength long before it melts.
Quote from: http://www.steelconstruction.info/Fire_damage_assessment_of_hot_rolled_structural_steelwork
All materials weaken with increasing temperature and steel is no exception. Strength loss for steel is generally accepted to begin at about 300°C and increases rapidly after 400°C. By 550°C steel retains approximately 60% of its room temperature yield strength, and 45% of its stiffness. At high temperatures, steel is also subjected to significant thermal elongation, which may lead to adverse impacts, especially if it is restrained. It follows therefore that one would expect that structural steelwork which has been subjected to high temperatures would exhibit signs of this in the form of distortion and buckling.
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Post by: sceptimatic on August 06, 2016, 12:23:01 PM
We are told the steel trusses lost their strength and buckled causing a pancake collapse.
The steel trusses are connected to the outer structure and also the inner core columns of which there were 47 of them.
Assuming all of the struts all around the towers buckled, it would have still left the inner core structure.

Now the only thing that puzzles me out of all of this; is the fact that supposed intelligent human beings actually believe the official story being this is what happened.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: hoppy on August 06, 2016, 02:00:34 PM
We are told the steel trusses lost their strength and buckled causing a pancake collapse.
The steel trusses are connected to the outer structure and also the inner core columns of which there were 47 of them.
Assuming all of the struts all around the towers buckled, it would have still left the inner core structure.

Now the only thing that puzzles me out of all of this; is the fact that supposed intelligent human beings actually believe the official story being this is what happened.
It goes to show the power of brainwashing. The duped masses just can't bring themselves to believe the government would lie to them.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Papa Legba on August 06, 2016, 03:51:56 PM
e=mc2 so nukes exist.

It doesn't so they don't.

Easy eh, Harry Potter?

Perhaps if you necked some Polyjuice Potion & used a million sock-puppets to tell me it did it'd make your bullshit true, Harry?

lol no it wouldn't but watch you do it anyway you prick...
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: origamiscienceguy on August 06, 2016, 04:00:10 PM
Hold on, did Papa Legba just say Nukes don't exist?
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Post by: Papa Legba on August 06, 2016, 04:32:55 PM
Hold on, did Papa Legba just say Nukes don't exist?

Hold on did you just waste all our time with a pointless bullshit sock-puppet shill-post?

Yep, you did.

But don't worry, you will never, ever, get banned for it...

Because massively obvious shill-run forum.
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Post by: origamiscienceguy on August 06, 2016, 04:35:56 PM
Wow. I can't...

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Post by: Papa Legba on August 06, 2016, 05:21:03 PM
Reported for low content time-wasting garbage.

Don't worry though; I'm pretty sure you won't ban yourself...

Just pretend you got a warning instead eh?

Oh, & E=mc2 is total nonsense too; just laughable, completely unproven bullshit...

You know; in case you thought you'd turned the page on it, Mr. Shill on your shill-run forum!
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: origamiscienceguy on August 06, 2016, 05:23:47 PM
Oh, e=mc^2 has been proven, but that is irrelevent to this topic.

I'll go start up a new one.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Papa Legba on August 06, 2016, 05:35:14 PM
Oh, e=mc^2 has been proven

It has not.

Quite the Liar aren't you, Ski?
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: origamiscienceguy on August 06, 2016, 05:36:25 PM
Why did you quote me, but address your response to ski?
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Post by: Papa Legba on August 06, 2016, 05:46:39 PM
Oh I dunno...

Have a guess eh?

Btw lol at you spending your saturday night frantically thought-policing a flat earth forum with instamatic garbage replies...

Total shill behaviour; but you're un-bannable, of course...

Aintcha, 'Ski'?

Did I say lol?

No?



































































































































































































































































lol.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on August 08, 2016, 01:25:14 PM
Ask the survivors of Hiroshima if they got nuked.
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Post by: sceptimatic on August 08, 2016, 03:37:21 PM
Ask the survivors of Hiroshima if they got nuked.
Black rain is the word on the street, apparently.
What would be inside a so called nuke to cause black rain?

I thought the nukes has uranium metals in them that smashed together by a few cordite explosives?

What could cause a black rain?
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Post by: sokarul on August 08, 2016, 07:41:19 PM
Ash in rain would make "black rain".

Next question.
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Post by: sceptimatic on August 11, 2016, 03:22:24 AM
Ash in rain would make "black rain".

Next question.
It might if it was raining.
Also can you tell me how much ash was stored inside the supposed atom bomb, because it was dropped at a height of around 2000 metres we are led to believe. So what caused the ash and black rain on a nice sunny, near cloudless day?
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Post by: markjo on August 11, 2016, 07:50:31 AM
Ash in rain would make "black rain".

Next question.
It might if it was raining.
Also can you tell me how much ash was stored inside the supposed atom bomb, because it was dropped at a height of around 2000 metres we are led to believe. So what caused the ash and black rain on a nice sunny, near cloudless day?
*sigh* The black rain was the ash that was produced from all of the combustible materials (paper, wood, people, etc.) that were flash fried in the fireball and kicked up by the resulting winds.  It's also commonly referred to as fallout.
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Post by: Rama Set on August 11, 2016, 09:22:05 AM
This thread is hilarious.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: sceptimatic on August 11, 2016, 09:25:59 AM
Ash in rain would make "black rain".

Next question.
It might if it was raining.
Also can you tell me how much ash was stored inside the supposed atom bomb, because it was dropped at a height of around 2000 metres we are led to believe. So what caused the ash and black rain on a nice sunny, near cloudless day?
*sigh* The black rain was the ash that was produced from all of the combustible materials (paper, wood, people, etc.) that were flash fried in the fireball and kicked up by the resulting winds.  It's also commonly referred to as fallout.
What fireball?
The nuke supposedly detonated at near 2000 metres and we are shown a mushroom cloud.
Tell me why the blast would reach the deck and flash fry people and kick up ash?

How about napalm.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: markjo on August 11, 2016, 09:31:55 AM
Ash in rain would make "black rain".

Next question.
It might if it was raining.
Also can you tell me how much ash was stored inside the supposed atom bomb, because it was dropped at a height of around 2000 metres we are led to believe. So what caused the ash and black rain on a nice sunny, near cloudless day?
*sigh* The black rain was the ash that was produced from all of the combustible materials (paper, wood, people, etc.) that were flash fried in the fireball and kicked up by the resulting winds.  It's also commonly referred to as fallout.
What fireball?
The nuke supposedly detonated at near 2000 metres and we are shown a mushroom cloud.
Tell me why the blast would reach the deck and flash fry people and kick up ash?
Because blasts travel in all directions, including down.

How about napalm.
How much napalm do you suppose that it would take to devastate a city like that?  I'm guessing quite a lot more than a just few planes can carry.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 11, 2016, 10:18:54 AM
I almost got all worked up as I always do in 9/11 threads which ended the last one here. Then I realized this is another nukes are fake thread, so my feathers ruffled back down ::)

Though it still pisses me off people that pretend nukes are fake. I have never been to Japan so I can only go off what friends have said about it.

But I have been to Kazakhstan and semey. Anyone that denies a bombs after that is just heartless fuck heads, prob should just be taken out back and beat with a hose at a minimum, maybe put down like ole yeller at the worse. The black cloud of pain and agony of that place is beyond comprehension, it still haunts me when I think about it. I am just as pissed at the government as they still are for hiding how dangerous the fall out really was. I could only imagine that place when testing was still happening. It is horrendous what humans can do to other humans, and that place is a brutal reminder of it. I hated every second I was there, I could not even focus on my work, and I really don't think I slept a night there of for about a month after I returned home.

But this is actual experiences, not just thinking behind a computer. I think most of these "ideas" come from people whom have done nothing with their lives. So they just sit behind a computer thinking of shit, no matter how insulting it could be to a group of people. I would love for one of the ass hole nay sayers here to say shit like that in person to a resident there...i would pay for the trip if I could film them get their ass kicked. Appalling
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Post by: sceptimatic on August 12, 2016, 08:21:45 AM
I almost got all worked up as I always do in 9/11 threads which ended the last one here. Then I realized this is another nukes are fake thread, so my feathers ruffled back down ::)

Though it still pisses me off people that pretend nukes are fake. I have never been to Japan so I can only go off what friends have said about it.

But I have been to Kazakhstan and semey. Anyone that denies a bombs after that is just heartless fuck heads, prob should just be taken out back and beat with a hose at a minimum, maybe put down like ole yeller at the worse. The black cloud of pain and agony of that place is beyond comprehension, it still haunts me when I think about it. I am just as pissed at the government as they still are for hiding how dangerous the fall out really was. I could only imagine that place when testing was still happening. It is horrendous what humans can do to other humans, and that place is a brutal reminder of it. I hated every second I was there, I could not even focus on my work, and I really don't think I slept a night there of for about a month after I returned home.

But this is actual experiences, not just thinking behind a computer. I think most of these "ideas" come from people whom have done nothing with their lives. So they just sit behind a computer thinking of shit, no matter how insulting it could be to a group of people. I would love for one of the ass hole nay sayers here to say shit like that in person to a resident there...i would pay for the trip if I could film them get their ass kicked. Appalling
Paid shill and ignored from this point on.
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Post by: Bullwinkle on August 12, 2016, 04:04:44 PM
I almost got all worked up as I always do in 9/11 threads which ended the last one here. Then I realized this is another nukes are fake thread, so my feathers ruffled back down ::)

Though it still pisses me off people that pretend nukes are fake. I have never been to Japan so I can only go off what friends have said about it.

But I have been to Kazakhstan and semey. Anyone that denies a bombs after that is just heartless fuck heads, prob should just be taken out back and beat with a hose at a minimum, maybe put down like ole yeller at the worse. The black cloud of pain and agony of that place is beyond comprehension, it still haunts me when I think about it. I am just as pissed at the government as they still are for hiding how dangerous the fall out really was. I could only imagine that place when testing was still happening. It is horrendous what humans can do to other humans, and that place is a brutal reminder of it. I hated every second I was there, I could not even focus on my work, and I really don't think I slept a night there of for about a month after I returned home.

But this is actual experiences, not just thinking behind a computer. I think most of these "ideas" come from people whom have done nothing with their lives. So they just sit behind a computer thinking of shit, no matter how insulting it could be to a group of people. I would love for one of the ass hole nay sayers here to say shit like that in person to a resident there...i would pay for the trip if I could film them get their ass kicked. Appalling
Paid shill and ignored from this point on.


I want on your ignore list too. 
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 12, 2016, 04:52:23 PM
Paid shill and ignored from this point on.
Wow...I thought we had a understanding. I have been nothing but respectful to you. Even accepted your constant compulsive lying, was never rude about it, attempted to work with your model, and even took an hour in a half of a sunday to prove  things you asked for about myself exactly how you wanted, to in which you said you were satisfied.

I accept you rambling on about asinine shit all day, even attempt to understand and figure experiments for it. Yet I say one thing I feel strongly about from real things I have experienced...nothing, I am just a paid shill. No respect, not even asking what I saw, or what made me feel so strongly on the subject.. nothing, just total dismissal as a shill.

Besides a liar and a fool, now you are adding hypocrite to your powerful arsenal of worthless nothings. It is complete and total garbage...enjoy your world of imagination, I know you need to stay there to attempt sanity and run from your sad reality. Damn that just hit me wrong...

Part of me wants to apologize for such a harsh reply, with other half wanting to tell you to go fornicate yourself.

"Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"

Or as a Texas old timer would say "Never wrestle a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it"

Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: sceptimatic on August 13, 2016, 12:46:50 AM
I almost got all worked up as I always do in 9/11 threads which ended the last one here. Then I realized this is another nukes are fake thread, so my feathers ruffled back down ::)

Though it still pisses me off people that pretend nukes are fake. I have never been to Japan so I can only go off what friends have said about it.

But I have been to Kazakhstan and semey. Anyone that denies a bombs after that is just heartless fuck heads, prob should just be taken out back and beat with a hose at a minimum, maybe put down like ole yeller at the worse. The black cloud of pain and agony of that place is beyond comprehension, it still haunts me when I think about it. I am just as pissed at the government as they still are for hiding how dangerous the fall out really was. I could only imagine that place when testing was still happening. It is horrendous what humans can do to other humans, and that place is a brutal reminder of it. I hated every second I was there, I could not even focus on my work, and I really don't think I slept a night there of for about a month after I returned home.

But this is actual experiences, not just thinking behind a computer. I think most of these "ideas" come from people whom have done nothing with their lives. So they just sit behind a computer thinking of shit, no matter how insulting it could be to a group of people. I would love for one of the ass hole nay sayers here to say shit like that in person to a resident there...i would pay for the trip if I could film them get their ass kicked. Appalling
Paid shill and ignored from this point on.


I want on your ignore list too.
I won't put you on ignore. I take that little notice of you that it's almost like you're on ignore. Let's just leave it at that. I think this is my first ever post to you. That says a lot.  ;D
No need to reply.  ;D
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: sceptimatic on August 13, 2016, 12:48:20 AM
Paid shill and ignored from this point on.
Wow...I thought we had a understanding. I have been nothing but respectful to you. Even accepted your constant compulsive lying, was never rude about it, attempted to work with your model, and even took an hour in a half of a sunday to prove  things you asked for about myself exactly how you wanted, to in which you said you were satisfied.

I accept you rambling on about asinine shit all day, even attempt to understand and figure experiments for it. Yet I say one thing I feel strongly about from real things I have experienced...nothing, I am just a paid shill. No respect, not even asking what I saw, or what made me feel so strongly on the subject.. nothing, just total dismissal as a shill.

Besides a liar and a fool, now you are adding hypocrite to your powerful arsenal of worthless nothings. It is complete and total garbage...enjoy your world of imagination, I know you need to stay there to attempt sanity and run from your sad reality. Damn that just hit me wrong...

Part of me wants to apologize for such a harsh reply, with other half wanting to tell you to go fornicate yourself.

"Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"

Or as a Texas old timer would say "Never wrestle a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it"
Cut the crap. I'm not a stupid as you are cabbage looking. When bullshit stinks, it stinks. It has done with you from day one.

This is just the icing on the cake.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 13, 2016, 01:34:26 AM
Cut the crap. I'm not a stupid as you are cabbage looking. When bullshit stinks, it stinks. It has done with you from day one.

This is just the icing on the cake.

Number 1...did you just call me a vegetable?? I have been called a alot of things in life, but never a vegetable. I "think" I am insulted....

Moving on, of course I "stink" to someone like you, as I actually provide evidence to things I either say about myself or things I am talking about, if I have no evidence I say it is opinion. I have also done things with my life, and speak from experience on the things i can. I don't speak from nonsense I thought up during a bad dream fueled by stomach indigestion. Nor do I live in a reality I built just to give me the ability to stomach my disappointing existence. Giving myself "knowledge" of blatant lies so I can rise myseld above everyone, so I can cater my fragile and failing ego.

So yeah, I would stink to you, and the fact I do is a good thing.

And if I thought you were on a mental break such as jrowe, this wouldn't even be happening right now. I would say your theory is great and bid you adieu.

I try not to end angry rants without any positive pieces. You can actually do something with yourself and life, you just need to come to terms with yourself and what is broken. Then you can be actually be successful and productive (whatever these mean to you, everyone has a different meaning) in reality...not just in fiction.


Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: sceptimatic on August 13, 2016, 01:58:31 AM
Cut the crap. I'm not a stupid as you are cabbage looking. When bullshit stinks, it stinks. It has done with you from day one.

This is just the icing on the cake.

Number 1...did you just call me a vegetable?? I have been called a alot of things in life, but never a vegetable. I "think" I am insulted....

Moving on, of course I "stink" to someone like you, as I actually provide evidence to things I either say about myself or things I am talking about, if I have no evidence I say it is opinion. I have also done things with my life, and speak from experience on the things i can. I don't speak from nonsense I thought up during a bad dream fueled by stomach indigestion. Nor do I live in a reality I built just to give me the ability to stomach my disappointing existence. Giving myself "knowledge" of blatant lies so I can rise myseld above everyone, so I can cater my fragile and failing ego.

So yeah, I would stink to you, and the fact I do is a good thing.

And if I thought you were on a mental break such as jrowe, this wouldn't even be happening right now. I would say your theory is great and bid you adieu.

I try not to end angry rants without any positive pieces. You can actually do something with yourself and life, you just need to come to terms with yourself and what is broken. Then you can be actually be successful and productive (whatever these mean to you, everyone has a different meaning) in reality...not just in fiction.
Nice words but that's all they are and all they ever will be with you.
Your problem is in thinking people are more gullible than they actually are.
You live in a fantasy world. You're a story-teller and your stories must be told. You have many stories, tales for both the young and old.
You have many voices to describe many places. You have many names and many faces.

In Russia you are Ivan; in Sweden you are Jan. In Germany you're Hans; in America, you're John.
From your many fantasy travels, you have gathered these tales, to spread to the forum, when all else fails.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 13, 2016, 03:47:11 AM
You live in a fantasy world. You're a story-teller and your stories must be told. You have many stories, tales for both the young and old.
You have many voices to describe many places. You have many names and many faces.

In Russia you are Ivan; in Sweden you are Jan. In Germany you're Hans; in America, you're John.
From your many fantasy travels, you have gathered these tales, to spread to the forum, when all else fails.

And you call me a story teller......what in the hell is this^ though I have to give you credit, it's well put together and quite convincing..a fabrication but convincing. You even got my "American" name starting with the right first letter...though it is not John, there was actually a bullfrog named after me(or I was named after it as the song existed before I did) if you know anything about older American music.

Also funny you say all I have is stories when between both of us, I am the only one that has posted up pictures answering questions about myself, pictures of my shop, pictures other random items, even pictures you yourself requested as proof and even accepted it then. However now that you are trying to make a point, it is no longer acceptable of course. Yet you have posted literally ...nothing, and been caught in multiple lies on top of lies.

So this is sounding like a pot kettle instance to me.


I will tell you what scepti...I will make you a deal, post up a few things you say, just like three things about yourself that you say as proof. Then, if you are willing to talk to me over the phone, so I can see if you are stable (as in not dangerous nut). If all that goes well, I will fly you out here free of charge. Also pay for your lodging, all you will have to cover is incidentals such as food or whatever exploring you want to do while you are here.

I will show you around the shops and we can do any experiments you want to do with any equipment I have. This includes the vacuum, some of the heat shielding I still have, some rocket components, well there is a bunch of random shit I can get into detail about later that you might like.

You film everything , only thing I ask is I want a copy of all data you film, or we can send it to multiple file sources during filming. I just want to make sure there are no dishonest edits.

Although I could not dedicate a huge amount of time to this, I could dedicate an entire day,maybe even two. Which would be plenty if all experiments are planned /designed ahead of time.

So.....

Also if in the real world, if you work in the mechanical engineering field, fluid dynamics, accounting, I.t., fabrication, design, electrical, board design and a few others I am brain farting on that would be even better for me. As I could write the whole thing off as consultant fees.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: MrDebunk on August 13, 2016, 10:32:21 AM
Please explain: How does a concrete building survive 50+ million degree heat?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Hiroshima_Dome_1945.gif)
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima_Peace_Memorial

Yet Both WTC towers were completely destroyed from Jet Fuel which burns 600 degrees in the open air?

(http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/ndocs/nt_col1531c.jpg)

200,000 tons of Steel and 425,000 cubic yards of concrete OBLITERATED.

Concrete gets stronger as it gets older. It didn't really survive but concrete survived, when was the building built?

WTC however...

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/jet_fuel.png)
xkcd.com/966 (http://xkcd.com/966)

Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Rama Set on August 13, 2016, 07:55:48 PM
TIL: Scepti sucks balls at ignoring people despite how aloof he tries to be.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 13, 2016, 08:29:49 PM
I won't put you on ignore. I take that little notice of you that it's almost like you're on ignore. Let's just leave it at that. I think this is my first ever post to you. That says a lot.  ;D
No need to reply.  ;D


I should have used a smiley.   ;)
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: TheRealBillNye on August 14, 2016, 10:43:40 AM
TIL: Scepti sucks balls at ignoring people despite how aloof he tries to be.

Trust me, he is very good at remaining aloof.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 15, 2016, 01:32:34 AM

I will tell you what scepti...I will make you a deal, post up a few things you say, just like three things about yourself that you say as proof. Then, if you are willing to talk to me over the phone, so I can see if you are stable (as in not dangerous nut). If all that goes well, I will fly you out here free of charge. Also pay for your lodging, all you will have to cover is incidentals such as food or whatever exploring you want to do while you are here.

I will show you around the shops and we can do any experiments you want to do with any equipment I have. This includes the vacuum, some of the heat shielding I still have, some rocket components, well there is a bunch of random shit I can get into detail about later that you might like.

You film everything , only thing I ask is I want a copy of all data you film, or we can send it to multiple file sources during filming. I just want to make sure there are no dishonest edits.

Although I could not dedicate a huge amount of time to this, I could dedicate an entire day,maybe even two. Which would be plenty if all experiments are planned /designed ahead of time.

So.....

Also if in the real world, if you work in the mechanical engineering field, fluid dynamics, accounting, I.t., fabrication, design, electrical, board design and a few others I am brain farting on that would be even better for me. As I could write the whole thing off as consultant fees.

As expected crickets from sceptimatic....

All talk, no action....the conspiracy theorist catch phrase. Yet some how they are just so much fucking more intelligent than the rest of the world. Amazing how that can happen from someone whom has done NOTHING in the world itself. And this is coming from someone whom fights mainstream many a time.

If you ever change your mind, actually care about your cause and really want to get some real evidence let me know. Until then, enjoy being a keyboard warrior using bad dreams caused by late night flatulence as evidence. 
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on August 15, 2016, 12:42:07 PM

I will tell you what scepti...I will make you a deal, post up a few things you say, just like three things about yourself that you say as proof. Then, if you are willing to talk to me over the phone, so I can see if you are stable (as in not dangerous nut). If all that goes well, I will fly you out here free of charge. Also pay for your lodging, all you will have to cover is incidentals such as food or whatever exploring you want to do while you are here.

I will show you around the shops and we can do any experiments you want to do with any equipment I have. This includes the vacuum, some of the heat shielding I still have, some rocket components, well there is a bunch of random shit I can get into detail about later that you might like.

You film everything , only thing I ask is I want a copy of all data you film, or we can send it to multiple file sources during filming. I just want to make sure there are no dishonest edits.

Although I could not dedicate a huge amount of time to this, I could dedicate an entire day,maybe even two. Which would be plenty if all experiments are planned /designed ahead of time.

So.....

Also if in the real world, if you work in the mechanical engineering field, fluid dynamics, accounting, I.t., fabrication, design, electrical, board design and a few others I am brain farting on that would be even better for me. As I could write the whole thing off as consultant fees.

As expected crickets from sceptimatic....

All talk, no action....the conspiracy theorist catch phrase. Yet some how they are just so much fucking more intelligent than the rest of the world. Amazing how that can happen from someone whom has done NOTHING in the world itself. And this is coming from someone whom fights mainstream many a time.

If you ever change your mind, actually care about your cause and really want to get some real evidence let me know. Until then, enjoy being a keyboard warrior using bad dreams caused by late night flatulence as evidence.

Not to point fingers or anything but didnt you agreed with the 9/11 conspiracy theory?
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 15, 2016, 02:50:14 PM

Not to point fingers or anything but didnt you agreed with the 9/11 conspiracy theory?

Absolutely, I have explained in prior posts how much time, money and heart I put into that with the group I have mentioned. There was a time half my shop was dedicated to stuff involving that.

I wasn't talking about that though. Is it just because I used the phrase conspiracy theorist?
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on August 16, 2016, 12:11:01 PM

Not to point fingers or anything but didnt you agreed with the 9/11 conspiracy theory?

Absolutely, I have explained in prior posts how much time, money and heart I put into that with the group I have mentioned. There was a time half my shop was dedicated to stuff involving that.

I wasn't talking about that though. Is it just because I used the phrase conspiracy theorist?

Yes. It sounded like you were attacking all conspiracy theorists, though it could've been a misread on me. Sorry.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 17, 2016, 07:55:58 AM

Not to point fingers or anything but didnt you agreed with the 9/11 conspiracy theory?

Absolutely, I have explained in prior posts how much time, money and heart I put into that with the group I have mentioned. There was a time half my shop was dedicated to stuff involving that.

I wasn't talking about that though. Is it just because I used the phrase conspiracy theorist?

Yes. It sounded like you were attacking all conspiracy theorists, though it could've been a misread on me. Sorry.

Well, I am not fond of conspiracy theorist, especially "professional conspiracy theorist". They are the biggest enemy to logical, critical and outside the box thinking. So anytime you oppose something mainstream, or something you shouldn't, you have no creditability because of people like that no matter how strong your case is.

This is the point I was in stilling to scepti. He is the typical conspiracy theorist. He invest no time, money, or anything to proving anything he says. Yet he sits on his high horse denouncing and patronizing everything thing else, things that have had countless number of people, investing countless number of hours, and countless number of dollars towards building a REAL case for. Boasting of his intelligence over all the sheep of the world, it's just a house of cards with no foundation.

To fight for a cause you gotta do whatever, rather it be funds, personal invested time, tests, learning or more than likely all of the above.

Yet he sits in his made up world, on his made up thrown, casting judgement against all the other people in the world. Then when his  ludicrous nonsensical dribble is easily denounced with real world tests, they are a paid shill.

This is in the conspiracy 101 handbook, chapter one.

Which people can do whatever the hell they want to do, I believe in free will, Yahweh granted it, so who am I to disagree with it and not respect it. However, free will to me changes when your actions begin to hurt others. This is when something needs to change.

As I said earlier a standard conspiracy theorist is more damaging to its own cause over any other source. Just like the church is more damaging to its cause than any secular source.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: iWitness on August 18, 2016, 01:25:27 PM
I suppose Humans (who lie, steal and murder even their own family members) will absorb impeccable morality and utmost regard for other Humans when they reach positions of power?

No way, could Humans (who are the number one cause of grief, pain and suffering in the world) would ever conspire in groups of 2 or more people against their fellow members of society?

It just can't happen! Oh boy...
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on August 18, 2016, 06:15:36 PM
I suppose Humans (who lie, steal and murder even their own family members) will absorb impeccable morality and utmost regard for other Humans when they reach positions of power?

No way, could Humans (who are the number one cause of grief, pain and suffering in the world) would ever conspire in groups of 2 or more people against their fellow members of society?

It just can't happen! Oh boy...

So I guess if you ever get into some sort of authority every single thing you say we would automatically discount because you are obviously lying. Don't tell anyone the next time you get an advancement in position otherwise people would distrust you.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 18, 2016, 06:34:26 PM
I suppose Humans (who lie, steal and murder even their own family members) will absorb impeccable morality and utmost regard for other Humans when they reach positions of power?

No way, could Humans (who are the number one cause of grief, pain and suffering in the world) would ever conspire in groups of 2 or more people against their fellow members of society?

It just can't happen! Oh boy...

So I guess if you ever get into some sort of authority every single thing you say we would automatically discount because you are obviously lying. Don't tell anyone the next time you get an advancement in position otherwise people would distrust you.


Everyone else, not him. He is all knowing and beyond reproach. Just ask him.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: iWitness on August 22, 2016, 11:06:53 AM
I did not say all authority is corrupt, but it would be ridiculous to imply that no corruption exists.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: sokarul on August 22, 2016, 11:14:18 AM
I did not say all authority is corrupt, but it would be ridiculous to imply that no corruption exists.
As it would be ridiculous to imply science doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Nukes can't destroy Concrete Buildings.... but Jet Fuel CAN!
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on August 22, 2016, 12:17:18 PM
I did not say all authority is corrupt, but it would be ridiculous to imply that no corruption exists.

To which I agree. But some things the government is just plain telling the truth on and the shape of the earth is one of them. I've yet to see scientific evidence to the contrary.