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Hi.
Anyone got a map of the flat earth with a working scale?
Thanks in advance.
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Of course, I mean there wouldn't be a flat earth society if they didn't have a working to scale Map.
Papa Legba or Jroa will help you with a scale map
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Hi.
Anyone got a map of the flat earth with a working scale?
Thanks in advance.
Don't thank me! I would like one too! I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours.
Map! Wot map? They don't know if it's the "Ice Wall" map or the "Bipolar" map.
Look up "map" in "the Wiki" and you get:
::) ::)Search
Found "map" in 0 "pages"
No pages matched the search criteria
::) ::)
I believe this site used to show both of these in "the Wiki", but it seems "to have got lost". Guess they got too much criticism.
Antarctica
Antartica is the name given to the southern polar region of the earth.
There are two main theories concerning the nature and extent of Antarctica. The first and most widely accepted theory says that Antarctica is a portion of ice surrounding earth, and that in its end there is a huge wall of ice (with different sizes depending on the subtheory) which is the edge of the earth. The second theory says that the center of the earth's surface is the point where the Equator and the Prime Meridian meet, and therefore Antarctica is a distinct continent located at the South.
Below are images of the two flat earth geographic models, which convey the different concepts of Antarctica within flat earth theory:
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/FE%20Ice%20Wall%20Map%20-%20co-ords_zpssfzmbeef.jpg)
The Antarctica Ice Wall model, the the most widely accepted.
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Flat%20Earth%20Bi-polar%20map%20-%201272_zpsfub8glzp.png)
Another alternative model descripting Antarctica as a distinct continent.
There is still an "ice wall" in this model, but it not Antarctica.
Beyond the rays of the sun the waters will naturally freeze.
That So this is actually from T F E S.org.
The Bipolar map is also an Equidistant Azimuthal Projection. This time centred on 0°N 0°E.
I have used the Gleason map which is the same projection, though I am sure it does not have official approval.
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/1892-new-standard-map-of-the-world%20-%20large%20-%2006_01_008377_zps4vqrgwqt.jpg)
1892 New Standard Map of the World
Since "the Wiki" states "The figure of 24,900 miles is the diameter of the known world", I have assumed we can use this 24,900 miles (40073 km) to scale the map. Mind you I think they ::) borrowed ::) the size from the Globe - I don't see much evidence of the Flat Earthers having measured anything of this magnitude.
I have a fairly high resolution version of "Gleason's" map.
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The gleeson map is the most popular. I did note that the USA is only 60 miles wide on it and I could walk across the UK in a short hour.
Has any flat earther a map they can provide?
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deception at its best, my dears...
well, since Gleeson's it's FreeMason's official map for the year 1892, I guess it should be kind of accurate, at least for the time...
8)
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My comments on the map:
(https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66737.msg1781174#msg1781174 (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66737.msg1781174#msg1781174))
Other problems with maps of this type:
(http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=65369.0 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=65369.0))
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(http://s32.postimg.org/9d6wd5n6d/real_world.png)
(https://timgatewood.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/masonic-symbols.jpg)
ladies and gentleman, we got it!
freemason's official map of the world.
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the moon is flat!
the sun is a ball
they're almost the same size.
they're quite near.
freemasons and illuminati suck my cock.
god has no mercy for you. humanity is awakening.
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the moon is flat!
the sun is a ball
they're almost the same size.
they're quite near.
Please cite sources and or references.
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the moon is flat!
the sun is a ball
they're almost the same size.
they're quite near.
Please cite sources and or references.
Sources? What's your problem JohnRozz hath spoken, and is was so!
He's just the latest Rottweiler they have imported to knock this site into shape! Got a bit tough for our resident floor sweeper.
What seems a bit odd is that not that long back Flat Earthers were pushing the "1892 New Standard Map of the World" (Gleason's) as the magic map of the Flat Earth. We were trying to tell them it was just another projection of the Globe!
Gleason's has never been a map that any Globe supporters favour - it's always been used as a "Flat Earther's map!
What a laugh, now we have JohnRozz telling us that the map some FEers love is a Freemason map!
Surely seeing a Freemason symbol every time anything resembling a triangle pops up has got to be some psychological disorder.
Maybe the "Humble_Scientist" can help! He gives free remote diagnoses without being asked!
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AHAHAHAH YOU ALL MAKE ME LAUGH A LOT GUYS.
I was an atheist, I just found out there's a GOD, and my whole life changed.
Never felt better before, I'm full of joy and my energy is intense.
even in my atheist phase, I've always managed to be a good person, because love, empathy, real enlightment, joy, peace, love for life etc. has always been there. I had faith in science, till I realized you hijacked science thousands years ago, and that it's all a joke.
god creation is everywhere, I gave a look at things from another point of view and understood everything.
you're exposed in my eyes. but you'll lose.
may GOD save your soul anyway.
I'm a son of god, we all are, but I know because I've faith, in the right one.
we are energy, and you sun-SIN-worshippers evil lesser human beings are a joke.
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Papa Legba or Jroa will help you with a scale map
No I won't.
Because I don't think the earth is flat.
Can't speak for jroa though.
Good work on mentioning me in every post anyway, stalker.
Please read the satanic bible
What, that shite by Anton La Gay?
LMFAO!!!
You dick.
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AHAHAHAH YOU ALL MAKE ME LAUGH A LOT GUYS.
I was an atheist, I just found out there's a GOD, and my whole life changed.
Never felt better before, I'm full of joy and my energy is intense.
even in my atheist phase, I've always managed to be a good person, because love, empathy, real enlightment, joy, peace, love for life etc. has always been there. I had faith in science, till I realized you hijacked science thousands years ago, and that it's all a joke.
god creation is everywhere, I gave a look at things from another point of view and understood everything.
you're exposed in my eyes. but you'll lose.
may GOD save your soul anyway.
I'm a son of god, we all are, but I know because I've faith, in the right one.
we are energy, and you sun-SIN-worshippers evil lesser human beings are a joke.
How did you find out that there is a god? He came down to your house to say "hi"?
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How did you find out that there is a god?
You jealous, deaf dick?
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How did you find out that there is a god?
You jealous, deaf dick?
Yeah, I want to be delusional as well. The world is easier for insane people like you.
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Yes, that's what I expected you to say...
Because people with autism find anyone different to them frightening.
Are you sure this is the right forum for you?
Do you keep your hugbox handy every time you log on?
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meanwhile, please don't do anything of what you usually do, like raping people, orgies with animals and childrens, sacrifices etc.
You are ignorant easily manipulated and a lesser human being. That's just my opinion but one we are all intitled to.
Please read the satanic bible before making wild, offensive accusations.
I've read nearly every bible, and have given them equal consideration in my belief system, I don't feel it's prudent to judge anything without doing the research first.
Apologies for what seems like ignorance from some FErs, you can't much expect there to be a well rounded knowledge base in the FES when it comes to religion. Especially since the FES isn't technically linked to any religion. Ignore the hate comments towards satanism, they seem a bit uniformed.
However, back on topic.
I think it is more important to the FES that they promote the discussion of the subject matter, rather than try and push a map on people. Based of the many theories and different views withing the FE community itself, I doubt you will find a solid answer to this thread that pleases you beyond a shadow of a doubt.
There is simply, as far as I've been able to tell, not one. At least not a reliable working model. I do think you expected as much before you started the topic though. There is still time for a FEr to surprise us both though.
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the moon is flat!
the sun is a ball
they're almost the same size.
they're quite near.
freemasons and illuminati suck my cock.
god has no mercy for you. humanity is awakening.
The Sun and Moon MUST be flat. If they are spheres or semispheres, they will appear differently to observers at different locations on Earth. Looking from Norway at the Sun and from Australia, the "hump" of the sphere would hide ~1/2 to ~1/3 of the Sun's surface.
Now explaining how the surface of the Sun moves on a disk with 2 points "pinned" (N.Pole and S.Pole) is a different story.
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AHAHAHAH YOU ALL MAKE ME LAUGH A LOT GUYS.
I was an atheist, I just found out there's a GOD, and my whole life changed.
Never felt better before, I'm full of joy and my energy is intense.
even in my atheist phase, I've always managed to be a good person, because love, empathy, real enlightment, joy, peace, love for life etc. has always been there. I had faith in science, till I realized you hijacked science thousands years ago, and that it's all a joke.
god creation is everywhere, I gave a look at things from another point of view and understood everything.
you're exposed in my eyes. but you'll lose.
may GOD save your soul anyway.
I'm a son of god, we all are, but I know because I've faith, in the right one.
we are energy, and you sun-SIN-worshippers evil lesser human beings are a joke.
Also, stop derailing threads. What does this have to do with a FE map?
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Yes, that's what I expected you to say...
Because people with autism find anyone different to them frightening.
Are you sure this is the right forum for you?
Do you keep your hugbox handy every time you log on?
Am I part of an automated hive mind, or do I have autism? Am I jealous or frightened? Make up your """"""""""mind""""""""""
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(http://s32.postimg.org/4tazaepcl/gradi_e_fusi.jpg)
oh my GOD, how much do they pay you for your troll work, dear(?) free(?)masons(?)
ahahahah hironically you're neither FREE, you're the slaves in the pyramid, nor MASONS, since you only destroy.
may god have mercy of you.
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How did you find out that there is a god? He came down to your house to say "hi"?
good question! since the earth is flat, science as we know it is just science fiction.
there IS an intelligent design. I then started realising a lot of things and found god.
it's very long and personal, and nobody gives a fuck I suppose, so I keep it for myself.
there is, I know, I felt it, that's it.
if you are able to feel and to love, you could too. otherwise, you'll say it is NOT or you'll prefer its counterpart, which does NOT exist! the devil is all an illusion, the devil is bad mankind amoung good people.
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Am I part of an automated hive mind, or do I have autism? Am I jealous or frightened?
You are all of them.
They come as a package.
You don't have a girlfriend either.
Now go tell me a rocket (singular noun) is two objects (plural) again, you brainwashed psycho.
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So this is how the FE debates are going to go...
Congrats Papa and JohnRozz, you just made this website/forum (and by extension "The FE Society") officially a joke. Nothing serious to discuss here. And... apparently that is OK with the moderator (*cough*) and owners...
This is LaLa Land now...
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So this is how the FE debates are going to go...
Congrats Papa and JohnRozz, you just made this website/forum (and by extension "The FE Society") officially a joke. Nothing serious to discuss here. And... apparently that is OK with the moderator (*cough*) and owners...
This is LaLa Land now...
It was ALWAYS a joke, ever since it was created.
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Am I part of an automated hive mind, or do I have autism? Am I jealous or frightened?
You are all of them.
They come as a package.
You don't have a girlfriend either.
Now go tell me a rocket (singular noun) is two objects (plural) again, you brainwashed psycho.
Ok, so I am 1) a computer, 2) markjo, 3) autistic, 4) jealous, 5) frightened, 6) single, 7) a shill, 8 ) brainwashed 9) suffering from aspergers, 10) a psychopath, and 10) a satanist? I'm just trying to comprehend what's going through your mind, because it makes no sense.
"Now go tell me a rocket (singular noun) is two objects (plural) again, you brainwashed psycho."
Oh my god... OH MY GOD... How stupid does one have to be to make this statement?? Ok, what if I make it simpler for you:
We've got a rocket (singular noun), the rocket fuel (singular noun), and that's two objects (two singular nouns)! There you go, satisfied?
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Now go tell me a rocket (singular noun) is two objects (plural) again, you brainwashed psycho.
I thought this thread was on "Map". I think your failure to understand how rockets actually manage to work is getting you down, poor fellow!
They DO work, and you just cannot understand how that's possible - get's so frustrating that sort of thing.
Especially when everyone knows how they work!
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We've got a rocket (singular noun), the rocket fuel (singular noun), and that's two objects (two singular nouns)! There you go, satisfied?
Don't forget the rocket engine - that's three, Rainman.
And the fuel tank - that's four, Rainman.
And the fuel pump - that's five, Rainman.
And the astro-not - that's six, Rainman.
Where will all this counting stop, Rainman?
When they find a cure for your autism?
Or after you hit it big in Vegas & use the proceeds to buy a live-in hugbox you never have to leave again?
Oh, & Geoff; STFU.
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We've got a rocket (singular noun), the rocket fuel (singular noun), and that's two objects (two singular nouns)! There you go, satisfied?
Don't forget the rocket engine - that's three, Rainman.
And the fuel tank - that's four, Rainman.
And the fuel pump - that's five, Rainman.
And the astro-not - that's six, Rainman.
Where will all this counting stop, Rainman?
When they find a cure for your autism?
Or after you hit it big in Vegas & use the proceeds to buy a live-in hugbox you never have to leave again?
Oh, & Geoff; STFU.
Papa I hurt your feelings but you called me out, thats why i started that thread.
On topic, I am especially curious about the flat earth map of Australia.
Do you guys agree with Googles distances? I have driven around Australia and the distances were correct as far as I could tell.
The official flat earth world maps Australia is nothing even close to scale.
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Papa I hurt your feelings
Lol no!
You have given me hours of fun with your capering & clowning.
Back to the rest of your 'I'm trying to be a good boy now so I can troll the mods with my pompous memberating bollocks instead of my Satanic schtick that everybody laughed at & didn't work' post:
I am especially curious about the flat earth map of Australia.
Do you guys agree with Googles distances? I have driven around Australia and the distances were correct as far as I could tell.
The official flat earth world maps Australia is nothing even close to scale.
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We've got a rocket (singular noun), the rocket fuel (singular noun), and that's two objects (two singular nouns)! There you go, satisfied?
Don't forget the rocket engine - that's three, Rainman.
And the fuel tank - that's four, Rainman.
And the fuel pump - that's five, Rainman.
And the astro-not - that's six, Rainman.
Where will all this counting stop, Rainman?
When they find a cure for your autism?
Or after you hit it big in Vegas & use the proceeds to buy a live-in hugbox you never have to leave again?
Oh, & Geoff; STFU.
And that is the peak of Legba's intellect gentlemen! He remembered Rainman, and now he calls me that all the time, because he thinks it's smart. Wow. You have the intellect of Forrest Gump, you're as monotonous as HAL 9000, and as likable as Nurse Ratched. You've reached the peak of overall shitiness.
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We've got a rocket (singular noun), the rocket fuel (singular noun), and that's two objects (two singular nouns)! There you go, satisfied?
Don't forget the rocket engine - that's three, Rainman. And the fuel tank - that's four, Rainman. And the fuel pump - that's five, Rainman. And the astro-not - that's six, Rainman. Where will all this counting stop, Rainman? When they find a cure for your autism? Or after you hit it big in Vegas & use the proceeds to buy a live-in hugbox you never have to leave again? Oh, & Geoff; STFU.
And that is the peak of Legba's intellect gentlemen! He remembered Rainman, and now he calls me that all the time, because he thinks it's smart. Wow. You have the intellect of Forrest Gump, you're as monotonous as HAL 9000, and as likable as Nurse Ratched. You've reached the peak of overall shitiness.
But you must admit that he is 100% successful at completely shutting down the original discussion (his paid profession probably), which I thought was someone asking for a "good flat earth map" (I believe that's an oxymoron - Papa's just and ordinary moron!).
I think Papa runs neck-and-neck with jroa on this, though " JohnRozz " sees to have taken over as chief "head-kicker" now!
I tried to oblige with all the ones flat earther's seemed to used.
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We've got a rocket (singular noun), the rocket fuel (singular noun), and that's two objects (two singular nouns)! There you go, satisfied?
Don't forget the rocket engine - that's three, Rainman. And the fuel tank - that's four, Rainman. And the fuel pump - that's five, Rainman. And the astro-not - that's six, Rainman. Where will all this counting stop, Rainman? When they find a cure for your autism? Or after you hit it big in Vegas & use the proceeds to buy a live-in hugbox you never have to leave again? Oh, & Geoff; STFU.
And that is the peak of Legba's intellect gentlemen! He remembered Rainman, and now he calls me that all the time, because he thinks it's smart. Wow. You have the intellect of Forrest Gump, you're as monotonous as HAL 9000, and as likable as Nurse Ratched. You've reached the peak of overall shitiness.
But you must admit that he is 100% successful at completely shutting down the original discussion (his paid profession probably), which I thought was someone asking for a "good flat earth map" (I believe that's an oxymoron - Papa's just and ordinary moron!).
I think Papa runs neck-and-neck with jroa on this, though " JohnRozz " sees to have taken over as chief "head-kicker" now!
I tried to oblige with all the ones flat earther's seemed to used.
Nah, Legba is better than Jroa or JohnRozz at derailing. He once derailed almost EVERY ACTIVE THREAD on this forum, I was there to witness it.
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Papa Legba or Jroa will help you with a scale map
No I won't.
Because I don't think the earth is flat.
Can't speak for jroa though.
Good work on mentioning me in every post anyway, stalker.
Please read the satanic bible
What, that shite by Anton La Gay?
LMFAO!!!
You dick.
WTF? Now you don't think it's flat?
Oh fuck this, I'm done with trolls...
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So what is new, when asked for evidence or a map that can not be produced, the topic always gets derailed. As this is the typical case because FE is a fantasy and has no reality (real world evidence), virtually every thread needs someone to derail it - usually with insults following. Standard debate tactic. That is all that FEers have. Be nice...
Any new-comers to this forum can just read through the threads for the past month or so and see what happens.
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Hi. It seems we have two flat earthers responding to the thread.
Hi both!
I was asking if anyone could provide me with a flat earth map with a working scale.
I notice several replies from you both, but you havnt yet linked a map.
Do you have one?
I'd rather not use a globetards map if it's not accurate.
Many thanks.
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Hope nobody minds me bumping this. The flat earth society is thousands strong. I was hoping someone here are a map with a scale that works? Anyone? Not interested in global maps. Just a flat earth map with a scale that works.
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Hi.
Anyone got a map of the flat earth with a working scale?
Thanks in advance.
[/quoteFlat Earth - compass issue
Hi all,
Im Ivan from Croatia and I have few ideas about cartografy and FE maps. From first explorers to today compass was the most important and sometimes only aid to find fixed point anywhere on the earth. This is important because with compass you can find and follow straight and shortest way from A to B.
My point is: GLOBE has a fixed N - (top) and fixed S - (down)
FLAT has fixed N - (center) and around S ( like loudspeaker)
So if earth is flat and not globe than Maggelan made a full circle around the plane allways following straigh WEST with his right side of the boat looking to North.
But that means that trip on flat earth from point A to B with use of compass will never be a streight and shortest line but a CURVE that circle around central North. That means all distances betwen two points are wrong.( If you go straight West than you will not go in straight line but make a curve - little longer than straight line. The bigger the distance is bigger is error.)We can asume that all today distances are made using compass (and have same error) because we use compass in any travel. Earth and continents should be measured somehow without compass or with use of complicated calculations depending on position and distance of measured point from the center (NORTH). Once again travelling with compass on flat earth you can never go straight - you allways make a curve. To go straight on FE with compass you have to constantly modify angle and distance from the center (North). To make real FE map all disstances must be re-calculated since they are made with compass and work only with compass based autopilots and gps. Compass is totally unpracctical on FE model since it never give you straight and shortest way but a curve.The best way would be to put a set of towers all over the world and with simple triangulation make a new map that we all deserve. I hope there is somebody out there with more knowlege and practical work to play with this idea. Thanks
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Flat Earth - compass issue
Hi all,
Im Ivan from Croatia and I have few ideas about cartografy and FE maps. From first explorers to today compass was the most important and sometimes only aid to find fixed point anywhere on the earth. This is important because with compass you can find and follow straight and shortest way from A to B.
My point is: GLOBE has a fixed N - (top) and fixed S - (down)
FLAT has fixed N - (center) and around S ( like loudspeaker)
So if earth is flat and not globe than Maggelan made a full circle around the plane allways following straigh WEST with his right side of the boat looking to North.
But that means that trip on flat earth from point A to B with use of compass will never be a streight and shortest line but a CURVE that circle around central North. That means all distances betwen two points are wrong.( If you go straight West than you will not go in straight line but make a curve - little longer than straight line. The bigger the distance is bigger is error.)We can asume that all today distances are made using compass (and have same error) because we use compass in any travel. Earth and continents should be measured somehow without compass or with use of complicated calculations depending on position and distance of measured point from the center (NORTH). Once again travelling with compass on flat earth you can never go straight - you allways make a curve. To go straight on FE with compass you have to constantly modify angle and distance from the center (North). To make real FE map all disstances must be re-calculated since they are made with compass and work only with compass based autopilots and gps. Compass is totally unpracctical on FE model since it never give you straight and shortest way but a curve.The best way would be to put a set of towers all over the world and with simple triangulation make a new map that we all deserve. I hope there is somebody out there with more knowlege and practical work to play with this idea. Thanks
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Flat Earth - compass issue
Hi all,
Im Ivan from Croatia and I have few ideas about cartografy and FE maps. From first explorers to today compass was the most important and sometimes only aid to find fixed point anywhere on the earth. This is important because with compass you can find and follow straight and shortest way from A to B.
My point is: GLOBE has a fixed N - (top) and fixed S - (down)
FLAT has fixed N - (center) and around S ( like loudspeaker)
So if earth is flat and not globe than Maggelan made a full circle around the plane allways following straigh WEST with his right side of the boat looking to North.
But that means that trip on flat earth from point A to B with use of compass will never be a streight and shortest line but a CURVE that circle around central North. That means all distances betwen two points are wrong.( If you go straight West than you will not go in straight line but make a curve - little longer than straight line. The bigger the distance is bigger is error.)We can asume that all today distances are made using compass (and have same error) because we use compass in any travel. Earth and continents should be measured somehow without compass or with use of complicated calculations depending on position and distance of measured point from the center (NORTH). Once again travelling with compass on flat earth you can never go straight - you allways make a curve. To go straight on FE with compass you have to constantly modify angle and distance from the center (North). To make real FE map all disstances must be re-calculated since they are made with compass and work only with compass based autopilots and gps. Compass is totally unpracctical on FE model since it never give you straight and shortest way but a curve.The best way would be to put a set of towers all over the world and with simple triangulation make a new map that we all deserve. I hope there is somebody out there with more knowlege and practical work to play with this idea. Thanks
Hi Ivan. I'm wondering why it's not possible to walk in a straight line? Are you saying flat earth maps are wrong?
I am a little surprised that after 38 replies nobody has yet managed to provide a simple working map?
Flat earth society. Do You Have A Map? Yes or No.
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No. Nobody has. So called FE map in circle ( UN logo) is only azimuth equidistant projection of globe earth. My point is that on FE model when you go with compass to WEST it won't be a straight line but a curve. So all distances measured WEST-EAST IS WRONG. Only NORTH-SOUTH is straight line.
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Actually, they really can't explain why the N.Pole is in the middle. The azimuthal projection is typically used but it is from a globe and has HUGE distortions on the edges that are hidden by the oceans (N.Pole in middle). With the S.Pole in the middle, the distortions are manifest: (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=65369.0 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=65369.0))
So no, after THOUSANDS of years (longer than RET/heliocentricity has been around), no map yet. Don't hold your breath as the Earth is not flat (FE is a fantasy).
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My guess that the AEP/Gleason's Carbon Copy Map has been "the flat earth map" is that they can claim the distortiion of Antarctica is the "ice ring." "Flat Earthers" also call Antarctica "The Rim Continent."
But there seems to be some crticism - mostly from "round earthers" who are residents of that country - about the size and shape of Australia.
And the general opinion seems to be that the FES is also "One Big Hoax" as well as "One Big Joke.""
But you do have to give fe's credit for vivid imaginaton and invention of weird ideas, LOL.
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To make a map is a difficult endeavour on a global earth. On a flat earth it's easy.
I'm going to have to put this question on hold I think.
It would appear that there is no flat earth map with a scale.
I'm trying to gather what evidences there are for flat earth. It seems there are many people completely convinced FE is real.
I wonder why it's been so hard just to make a map?
Over to you.
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I wonder why it's been so hard just to make a map?
--- because information is not free and an intelligent man can see there is an incentive to keep truth about the earth hidden. Sorry you feel left out!
Only a fool would expect map-makers (or globe-trollers) to disclose their research to the general public. Sheesh.
Cartographers do not work for free!!!
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I wonder why it's been so hard just to make a map?
--- because information is not free and an intelligent man can see there is an incentive to keep truth about the earth hidden. Sorry you feel left out!
Only a fool would expect map-makers (or globe-trollers) to disclose their research to the general public. Sheesh.
Cartographers do not work for free!!!
Map making on a Flat Earth is very simple.
To disprove the globetards just measure some distances in the real world and apply them to a Globetard map. Their map will not fit reality.
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Now go tell me a rocket (singular noun) is two objects (plural) again, you brainwashed psycho.
I thought this thread was on "Map". I think your failure to understand how rockets actually manage to work is getting you down, poor fellow!
They DO work, and you just cannot understand how that's possible - get's so frustrating that sort of thing.
Especially when everyone knows how they work!
STOP feeding the Trolls. Come on. As you said, this is about finding an FE map, then in your next sentence, you hand the Troll an entire meal.
The thread is about MAPS. Keep it ABOUT MAPS
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Papa Legba or Jroa will help you with a scale map
No I won't.
Because I don't think the earth is flat.
Can't speak for jroa though.
Good work on mentioning me in every post anyway, stalker.
Please read the satanic bible
What, that shite by Anton La Gay?
LMFAO!!!
You dick.
WTF? Now you don't think it's flat?
Oh fuck this, I'm done with trolls...
He has NEVER made the claim he believes in FET. He's a RE with the IQ of well under 50. An Idiot-savant, with some skill at cut and pasting his own posts to fill bandwidth.
You best move to stay on topic, is not to feed him.
So, about this FE Map. Where is it?
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Seriously. Can someone just post a flat earth map I can use in the actual flat earth? Come on! Enough is enough .
I can see this is a serious site with scholarly participation. A simple working map is the very basics! What the heck is the problem?
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Seriously. Can someone just post a flat earth map I can use in the actual flat earth? Come on! Enough is enough .
I can see this is a serious site with scholarly participation. A simple working map is the very basics! What the heck is the problem?
John Davis posted this about asking for a flat earth map; “Insistence on an “Accurate” map is a rhetorical trick.”
“…is essentially asking the impossible.”
I'm afraid, this is as close as you can get with the FET believers.
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About the maps
Example how Flat Earth map should look like is Potrolan and Catalan maps. Portolan charts are navigational maps based on compass directions and estimated distances observed by the pilots at sea. Portolans did not take into account the curvature of the earth.Catalan charts are a subtype of the medieval period (1300–1500) portolan chart.Portolan and Catalan maps are also characterized by the accuracy of inland features, sometimes for the lines of latitude/longitude and specially for the lack of map projection, for cartometric investigation has revealed that no projection was used in portolans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_chart#/media/File:Europe_Mediterranean_Catalan_Atlas.jpeg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portolan_chart#/media/File:Maggiolo_-_Portolankarte_-_1541.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_Atlas#/media/File:Compass_rose_from_Catalan_Atlas_(1375).jpg
Majorcan cosmographers and cartographers experimented and developed their own cartographic techniques.Majorcans were responsible for the invention (c. 1300) of the "normal portolan chart". The portolan was a realistic, detailed nautical chart, gridded by a rhumbline network with compass lines that could be used to deduce exact sailing directions between any two points.
As you all can see most of this is from wiki and they don't hide it. These maps are rude example of what the FE map should look like since they were last and best made before establishment of "The globe earth theory".
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About the maps
Example how Flat Earth map should look like is Potrolan and Catalan maps. Portolan charts are navigational maps based on compass directions and estimated distances observed by the pilots at sea. Portolans did not take into account the curvature of the earth.Catalan charts are a subtype of the medieval period (1300–1500) portolan chart.Portolan and Catalan maps are also characterized by the accuracy of inland features, sometimes for the lines of latitude/longitude and specially for the lack of map projection, for cartometric investigation has revealed that no projection was used in portolans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_chart#/media/File:Europe_Mediterranean_Catalan_Atlas.jpeg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portolan_chart#/media/File:Maggiolo_-_Portolankarte_-_1541.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_Atlas#/media/File:Compass_rose_from_Catalan_Atlas_(1375).jpg
Majorcan cosmographers and cartographers experimented and developed their own cartographic techniques.Majorcans were responsible for the invention (c. 1300) of the "normal portolan chart". The portolan was a realistic, detailed nautical chart, gridded by a rhumbline network with compass lines that could be used to deduce exact sailing directions between any two points.
As you all can see most of this is from wiki and they don't hide it. These maps are rude example of what the FE map should look like since they were last and best made before establishment of "The globe earth theory".
I did ask for a flat earth map with a scale, and thanks for providing one.
I have to say that if the only way to produce one is by measuring lines between points and the latest you can produce is medieval, then that is staggering evidence against Flat Earth. A map is not a series of distances between points.
Why does this society exist if it can't even pull up a single working map? I'm serious. Why does it exist?
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Papa Legba or Jroa will help you with a scale map
No I won't.
Because I don't think the earth is flat.
Can't speak for jroa though.
Good work on mentioning me in every post anyway, stalker.
Please read the satanic bible
What, that shite by Anton La Gay?
LMFAO!!!
You dick.
WTF? Now you don't think it's flat?
Oh fuck this, I'm done with trolls...
Believing the Earth is flat is not a prerequisite to pointing out the BS that you people claim.
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These old maps i only mentioned to show difference between use of compass in maps making. Also if you ever seen ancient maps (exmp. Piri Reis ) that most modern cartographers think were imposible to be made by ancient cultures - all are made with portolan metod. Not even one map show earth as a globe. Take a closer look int ancient maps.
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These old maps i only mentioned to show difference between use of compass in maps making. Also if you ever seen ancient maps (exmp. Piri Reis ) that most modern cartographers think were imposible to be made by ancient cultures - all are made with portolan metod. Not even one map show earth as a globe. Take a closer look int ancient maps.
What is the point of looking at ancient maps that don't work? I might as well cook my toast in a Fridge.
I came here to the Flat Earth society expecting someone at some point ,if the world was flat, to have a map they can use. This is amazing!
Just how does a flat earth believer travel around? Do you use the globetards maps? Do you trust their lies? Do their lies work??
This is ridiculous.
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These old maps i only mentioned to show difference between use of compass in maps making. Also if you ever seen ancient maps (exmp. Piri Reis ) that most modern cartographers think were imposible to be made by ancient cultures - all are made with portolan metod. Not even one map show earth as a globe. Take a closer look int ancient maps.
What is the point of looking at ancient maps that don't work? I might as well cook my toast in a Fridge.
I came here to the Flat Earth society expecting someone at some point ,if the world was flat, to have a map they can use. This is amazing!
Just how does a flat earth believer travel around? Do you use the globetards maps? Do you trust their lies? Do their lies work??
This is ridiculous.
What lies? RE is proved by observation, experimentation, and math.
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You just dont get it. Today globe maps work perfectly with all compass based instruments. Look for explanation for "RHUMBLINE" to get example how compass would work on flat earth. That is the main thing. COMPASS and how to read it.
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You just dont get it. Today globe maps work perfectly with all compass based instruments. Look for explanation for "RHUMBLINE" to get example how compass would work on flat earth. That is the main thing. COMPASS and how to read it.
The main thing is that you are unable to provide a working map. If there was one it would have been produced by now. That is a minimum that the FES should have produced by now.
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Im tired. Do you have any idea how hard is it to make a map from start. How many people, how much money, not to mention how many working hours. At least few years and that is for professionals.
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Im tired. Do you have any idea how hard is it to make a map from start. How many people, how much money, not to mention how many working hours. At least few years and that is for professionals.
A GPS receiver will give you lat and long. Start with that information. Plus angle of the sun.
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GPS is also based on compass positions and distances (globe model) and so not suitable. FE map must be made completly from start. Last maps made on FE model were in 15 th century. (Portolan and Catalan maps)
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I just don't get how you can't understand that maps that have different position of North and South can never be comparable. That also count for GPS, positions and courses.
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GPS is also based on compass positions and distances (globe model) and so not suitable. FE map must be made completly from start. Last maps made on FE model were in 15 th century. (Portolan and Catalan maps)
If you have any proof that distances, locations or positions are incorrect then please provide it.
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I have a job and family and have no time to travel around world and measure. Anyway this task must be given to profesionals who know alot more about cartography than me or you. I just can't imagine any respectable scientistis to get involve in this mater. Not yet. Do you remember how many scientists was burned when heliocentric was in begining.
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I have a job and family and have no time to travel around world and measure. Anyway this task must be given to profesionals who know alot more about cartography than me or you. I just can't imagine any respectable scientistis to get involve in this mater. Not yet. Do you remember how many scientists was burned when heliocentric was in begining.
The earth has been mapped by professionals.
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Yes. It was measured by 20th century profesionals, as it was by 15th and 10th century profesionals at that time. Or you think that we know everything and this is it?
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Yes. It was measured by 20th century profesionals, as it was by 15th and 10th century profesionals at that time. Or you think that we know everything and this is it?
What reason do you have to suspect the current, ongoing, mapping of the earth is incorrrect?
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If I can see an island 150 miles away no mirage or such crap can convince me that curvature is what they say it is.
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If I can see an island 150 miles away no mirage or such crap can convince me that curvature is what they say it is.
Which island can you see 150 miles away. How high is it and what is your viewing height?
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Papa Legba or Jroa will help you with a scale map
No I won't.
Because I don't think the earth is flat.
Can't speak for jroa though.
Good work on mentioning me in every post anyway, stalker.
Please read the satanic bible
What, that shite by Anton La Gay?
LMFAO!!!
You dick.
WTF? Now you don't think it's flat?
Oh fuck this, I'm done with trolls...
Believing the Earth is flat is not a prerequisite to pointing out the BS that you people claim.
True, but having a working knowledge of the subjects at hand is a prerequisite, which you have not fulfilled.
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I've seen 15 more replies and zero maps.
Can I address the flat earth society. If you have a map. Bring it now.
No discussion, no point to point, no compass this or compass that.
A map.A simple map with a scale. A map you can Actually Use.
The globetards have one and as much as I might hate it, it gets me to any point I ever ask of it.
Can I help in any way to make a flat earth map?
There are over a thousand people registered. Their lives are dedicated to exposing truths.
Surely someone over the many years might have tried making a map?
Is this not important? Does it not underpin the whole flat earth? Wouldn't it be a simple matter to map a flat earth? It's 2016.
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I've seen 15 more replies and zero maps.
Can I address the flat earth society. If you have a map. Bring it now.
No discussion, no point to point, no compass this or compass that.
A map.A simple map with a scale. A map you can Actually Use.
The globetards have one and as much as I might hate it, it gets me to any point I ever ask of it.
Can I help in any way to make a flat earth map?
There are over a thousand people registered. Their lives are dedicated to exposing truths.
Surely someone over the many years might have tried making a map?
Is this not important? Does it not underpin the whole flat earth? Wouldn't it be a simple matter to map a flat earth? It's 2016.
Who do you think you're fooling here?
Just because you use the word "globtards" doesn't mean crap here as "proof" you are a FE believer.
FET has no map, and pretending to believe in the fantasy, will not get those that actually do believe, to produce that which is impossible to make.
There is no FE map, because there is no FE.
Troll all you want, insult whomever you want, but you cannot get blood out of a turnip.
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Draw a scale drawing on a spherical object, can be any drawing you like.
Now try to replicate your scale drawing on a two dimensional surface.
There's your answer, FET is a fantasy. There is no map as Round and Proud said.
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I have a job and family and have no time to travel around world and measure. Anyway this task must be given to profesionals who know alot more about cartography than me or you. I just can't imagine any respectable scientistis to get involve in this mater. Not yet. Do you remember how many scientists was burned when heliocentric was in begining.
You ask "Do you remember how many scientists was burned when heliocentric was in begining."? No, I haven't heard of any, have you?
Galileo affair
The Galileo affair was a sequence of events, beginning around 1610, culminating with the trial and condemnation of Galileo Galilei by the Roman Catholic Inquisition in 1633 for his support of heliocentrism.
In 1610, Galileo published his Sidereus Nuncius (Starry Messenger), describing the surprising observations that he had made with the new telescope, namely the phases of Venus and the Galilean moons of Jupiter. With these observations he promoted the heliocentric theory of Nicolaus Copernicus (published in De revolutionibus orbium coelestium in 1543). Galileo's initial discoveries were met with opposition within the Catholic Church, and in 1616 the Inquisition declared heliocentrism to be formally heretical. Heliocentric books were banned and Galileo was ordered to refrain from holding, teaching or defending heliocentric ideas.
But, Heliocentrism was certainly declared heretical and remained so until 1835.
Modern Catholic Church views
In 1758 the Catholic Church dropped the general prohibition of books advocating heliocentrism from the Index of Forbidden Books. It did not, however, explicitly rescind the decisions issued by the Inquisition in its judgement of 1633 against Galileo, or lift the prohibition of uncensored versions of Copernicus's De Revolutionibus or Galileo's Dialogue. The issue finally came to a head in 1820 when the Master of the Sacred Palace (the Church's chief censor), Filippo Anfossi, refused to license a book by a Catholic canon, Giuseppe Settele, because it openly treated heliocentrism as a physical fact. Settele appealed to pope Pius VII. After the matter had been reconsidered by the Congregation of the Index and the Holy Office, Anfossi's decision was overturned. Copernicus's De Revolutionibus and Galileo's Dialogue were then subsequently omitted from the next edition of the Index when it appeared in 1835.
But on the measurement of the earth, that has been done over the last few centuries, culminating with very precise laser interferometric and satellite methods.
What is interesting is that the modern maps do not differ significantly from those of up to 300 or more years ago, though obviously some places were either not mapped at all, or mapped inaccurately.
I don't see how you or anyone else could improve much on the current maps. They certainly seem quite accurate - can you see any problems?
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we are energy, and you sun-SIN-worshippers evil lesser human beings are a joke.
1. I don't worship the frickin Sun you idiot.
2. I TOLD EVERYONE HE WAS A NAZI! LOOK! HE WANTS TO GAS US!
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You just dont get it. Today globe maps work perfectly with all compass based instruments. Look for explanation for "RHUMBLINE" to get example how compass would work on flat earth. That is the main thing. COMPASS and how to read it.
Rhumb lines are based on an angle with the meridian lines, which radiate from the geographic North Pole. Magnetic North is not dependent on geographic North, so rhumb lines have nothing to do with compasses.
Im tired. Do you have any idea how hard is it to make a map from start. How many people, how much money, not to mention how many working hours. At least few years and that is for professionals.
All those professionals, the many people with notable funding who poured their time into mapping the world, the people who took the initiative "to make a map from start", all agree the earth is round. All our marvelously accurate maps are dependent on that assumption. Only those that don't understand the maps or obvious clues about Earth's shape have a hard time accepting it.
GPS is also based on compass positions and distances (globe model) and so not suitable.
GPS is not based on magnetic North, but because the satellites orbit Earth, they're not suitable. Because GPS's very existence defies FEF.
I just don't get how you can't understand that maps that have different position of North and South can never be comparable. That also count for GPS, positions and courses.
They are comparable. If you measure in degrees longitude and latitude, and measure the map with these rather than just visual space, technically every map is accurate as long as they stay true to the true long/lat of the locations on it. The position of North and South really doesn't matter if you're reading the map right, it's just that some maps are easier to read than others. For example, polar azimuthal projections are more accurate at their respective poles, Mercator is more accurate at the equator, and a globe is more accurate everywhere.
If I can see an island 150 miles away no mirage or such crap can convince me that curvature is what they say it is.
That statement is perfectly reasonable, but it's conditional on being able to see an island 150 miles away, presumably from the surface. Seeing as that's not really true anywhere, why does it matter, and why question that curvature blocks your line of sight?
You've justified your belief in a flat Earth only with declaring your lack of understanding of its shape, passing the task off on the "professionals" who do know what they're doing and do believe the world is spherical. You've failed to provide an accurate FE map made by experts. You've failed to give those non-existent Flat-Earth-theorizing cartographers an excuse. You've failed to even show globes to be inaccurate maps, so you're on the fast track to nowhere here.
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Magnetic north, compass points and distances are simply a distraction if you have no map.
You have no map.
Make a Map or stop wasting your time.
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Magnetic north, compass points and distances are simply a distraction if you have no map.
If you would have actually read my post, you would know that all I said is magnetic north has nothing to do with rhumb lines. Geoblue said rhumb lines explained how compasses work on a flat earth. They don't. That was my point on magnetic north and compasses in its entirety.
As for distances, Geoblue also made a false claim about map comparisons, based on ignorance of the fact that long/lat are always an accurate way of knowing where you are. That was my point. However the existent map is arranged, it will have to line up with actual distances.
Essentially, Geoblue didn't have a firm grasp on principles of navigation and so, yes, the things he was saying "were simply a distraction" from his not having an accurate map of a flat Earth. Then again, most pro-FE debate here really is just a distraction from the earth not being flat.
You have no map.
Make a Map or stop wasting your time.
Oh, yes I do. I have a map. I have a real nice map. It's called a globe. And it works, everywhere.
So you're absolutely right; FEers can prove the earth is flat if they make a working map reliant on this fact. If making an accurate map of a flat earth is impossible, there is no flat earth. Until they've done this, they're wasting their time.
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AHAHAHAH YOU ALL MAKE ME LAUGH A LOT GUYS.
I was an atheist, I just found out there's a GOD, and my whole life changed.
Never felt better before, I'm full of joy and my energy is intense.
even in my atheist phase, I've always managed to be a good person, because love, empathy, real enlightment, joy, peace, love for life etc. has always been there. I had faith in science, till I realized you hijacked science thousands years ago, and that it's all a joke.
god creation is everywhere, I gave a look at things from another point of view and understood everything.
you're exposed in my eyes. but you'll lose.
may GOD save your soul anyway.
I'm a son of god, we all are, but I know because I've faith, in the right one.
we are energy, and you sun-SIN-worshippers evil lesser human beings are a joke.
How can you be sure you didn't have some kind of mental break from reality when you thought you found god? How can you show someone else you didn't have a mental break from reality when you thought you found god?
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Magnetic north, compass points and distances are simply a distraction if you have no map.
You have no map.
Make a Map or stop wasting your time.
i agree,
But don't blame the Globe supporters for no Flat Earth map! We've been saying it's impossible all along.
Yes, I know the saying "Difficult jobs done immediately, impossibilities take a little longer", but some things really are not possible.
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79 replies and Zero Maps.
Lots of talking about compass points and viewing distances. One person saying he has no time to make a map.
If you are a Flat Earth believer and you ever have occasion to travel outside your town, (say when you are on holiday with your Mum and Dad), what map do you use and does it work?
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what map do you use and does it work?
A flat one, and yes, it works just fine, thanks for asking.
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what map do you use and does it work?
A flat one, and yes, it works just fine, thanks for asking.
OK, please show us an accurate flat map of the whole Flat earth! No-one has seen one yet.
And no, a projection of the Globe is not good enough, as we know that many of the distances and shapes of a projection of the whole Globe are severly distorted.
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what map do you use and does it work?
A flat one, and yes, it works just fine, thanks for asking.
Thats brilliant! AT LAST!
Can you post it here?
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Magnetic north, compass points and distances are simply a distraction if you have no map.
If you would have actually read my post, you would know that all I said is magnetic north has nothing to do with rhumb lines. Geoblue said rhumb lines explained how compasses work on a flat earth. They don't. That was my point on magnetic north and compasses in its entirety.
As for distances, Geoblue also made a false claim about map comparisons, based on ignorance of the fact that long/lat are always an accurate way of knowing where you are. That was my point. However the existent map is arranged, it will have to line up with actual distances.
Essentially, Geoblue didn't have a firm grasp on principles of navigation and so, yes, the things he was saying "were simply a distraction" from his not having an accurate map of a flat Earth. Then again, most pro-FE debate here really is just a distraction from the earth not being flat.
You have no map.
Make a Map or stop wasting your time.
Oh, yes I do. I have a map. I have a real nice map. It's called a globe. And it works, everywhere.
So you're absolutely right; FEers can prove the earth is flat if they make a working map reliant on this fact. If making an accurate map of a flat earth is impossible, there is no flat earth. Until they've done this, they're wasting their time.
The globe earth map is everywhere. Im in the Flat Earth society for a reason. I want a Flat Earth Map. Globe maps , im not interested in. Im interested in the society producing a working Flat Earth map. A local one will do. Just measure your street or better a journey with mum to visit auntie .Apply it to a globetards map and see if its accurate.
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Magnetic north, compass points and distances are simply a distraction if you have no map.
If you would have actually read my post, you would know that all I said is magnetic north has nothing to do with rhumb lines. Geoblue said rhumb lines explained how compasses work on a flat earth. They don't. That was my point on magnetic north and compasses in its entirety.
As for distances, Geoblue also made a false claim about map comparisons, based on ignorance of the fact that long/lat are always an accurate way of knowing where you are. That was my point. However the existent map is arranged, it will have to line up with actual distances.
Essentially, Geoblue didn't have a firm grasp on principles of navigation and so, yes, the things he was saying "were simply a distraction" from his not having an accurate map of a flat Earth. Then again, most pro-FE debate here really is just a distraction from the earth not being flat.
You have no map.
Make a Map or stop wasting your time.
Oh, yes I do. I have a map. I have a real nice map. It's called a globe. And it works, everywhere.
So you're absolutely right; FEers can prove the earth is flat if they make a working map reliant on this fact. If making an accurate map of a flat earth is impossible, there is no flat earth. Until they've done this, they're wasting their time.
The globe earth map is everywhere. Im in the Flat Earth society for a reason. I want a Flat Earth Map. Globe maps , im not interested in. Im interested in the society producing a working Flat Earth map. A local one will do. Just measure your street or better a journey with mum to visit auntie .Apply it to a globetards map and see if its accurate.
As far as I am concerned there is no flat earth map, simply because the earth is not flat, it's that simple.
If you can find anything seriously wrong with those measurements, please let me know!
If the earth really were flat, making a map of the Flat Earth would be trivial, but as I have tried to point numerous times:
Measurements of the Earth Prove it cannot be Flat « on: May 04, 2016, 07:23:35 PM » (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66646.msg1777790#msg1777790).
Don't blame globe supporters for this. These measurements (used to make the maps we have) have been made over centuries. Satellite mapping has not changed the shape of the earth, only improved the accuracy of the maps we have.
In my first post on this thread I tried to give you the maps suggested for the Flat Earth but you did not like them, so stop bitching and just accept the facts - there are no undistorted Flat Maps of the whole earth.
You could also go and study up of JRowe's "Dual Earth" hypopthesis in Dual Earth Theory (http://dualearththeory.proboards.com/thread/3/dual-earth-theory-overview). That should keep you out of mischief for a while!
Mind you it is still quite distorted, just not as obviously as the North Pole centred and 0° N, 0° E centred projections of the globe we have been presented with.
And the bottom line is that if the distances between the points on earth fit on a Globe, they simply CANNOT fit on a Flat Surface.
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What is a mental break????
How can you be sure you didn't have some kind of mental break from reality when you thought you found god?
Easy.
The true form of the earth + documentation of the same in ancient text = divine revelation.
How can you show someone else you didn't have a mental break from reality when you thought you found god?
Step 1: Show someone ancient holy texts which describe the true form of the earth.
Step 2: Show someone the true form of the earth.
Step 3: Tell someone that knowledge of the true form of the earth could only be derived 2 ways: modern technology or Somebody's eyeball looking down from on high and telling ancient lowly men. There is no 3rd choice.
Step 4: Remind someone that the ancient holy texts were written long before modern technology.
Step 5: Laugh at any suggested 3rd choice.
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What is a mental break????
How can you be sure you didn't have some kind of mental break from reality when you thought you found god?
Easy.
The true form of the earth + documentation of the same in ancient text = divine revelation.
How can you show someone else you didn't have a mental break from reality when you thought you found god?
Step 1: Show someone ancient holy texts which describe the true form of the earth.
Step 2: Show someone the true form of the earth.
Step 3: Tell someone that knowledge of the true form of the earth could only be derived 2 ways: modern technology or Somebody's eyeball looking down from on high and telling ancient lowly men. There is no 3rd choice.
Step 4: Remind someone that the ancient holy texts were written long before modern technology.
Step 5: Laugh at any suggested 3rd choice.
Step 6: Fail miserably as the other party brings actual facts and evidence.
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What is a mental break????
How can you be sure you didn't have some kind of mental break from reality when you thought you found god?
Easy.
The true form of the earth + documentation of the same in ancient text = divine revelation.
How can you show someone else you didn't have a mental break from reality when you thought you found god?
Step 1: Show someone ancient holy texts which describe the true form of the earth.
Step 2: Show someone the true form of the earth.
Step 3: Tell someone that knowledge of the true form of the earth could only be derived 2 ways: modern technology or Somebody's eyeball looking down from on high and telling ancient lowly men. There is no 3rd choice.
Step 4: Remind someone that the ancient holy texts were written long before modern technology.
Step 5: Laugh at any suggested 3rd choice.
You claim that in "Step 3: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . There is no 3rd choice."
You are quite wrong. There is a 3rd choice!
As I have claimed numerous times. The dimensions of the earth have been measured with progressively better accuracy for the past 500 years or more.
The shapes of the countries and continents, and their relative locations are well known and even an atlas contains accurate enough information.
These measurements do not fit on a flat surface.
This has been know for centuries and is the reason that there is no accurate flat earth map.
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My cut on this is:
Initially, thousands of years ago when people were seafarers, people (1) used compasses and (2) the areas were relatively local (the Mediterranean Sea). For such a "small" area, for all intents and purposes, it was flat. Any distortions could be attributed to misreading the compass and ships bobbing up and down. Although people knew about latitudes (via sextants) pretty well, there weren't very accurate clocks to measure longitude. This is why we had several/lots of flat maps with presumably better shapes to land masses as time went on (and people trying to join maps together). FE at its best.
As the science and art of cartography developed, distances became more accurate. Surveying methods across areas like India and Australia, that were now more accurate, did not match up on a piece of paper. These did match up to a large spherical surface. Geodetic surveying was born. FE went by the wayside as this, among other things, demonstrated a RE. Also, once the Americas were discovered, distances increased vastly and flat measurements did not match.
With airplanes and shipping going across oceans, measurements needed to be more accurate. Now-a-days, we know the distances and angles quite accurately (especially as measured by satellites). There is just no doubt (to the airlines and shipping industries) the Earth is definitely not flat (except locally where the distortions don't matter).
That is why you won't find any MODERN FE maps except for local areas where the distortions are negligible. If this is not correct, please present the most accurate FE map anyone has.
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If there is no Flat Earth Map.
Why does this website even exist?
Answer that Globetards.
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If there is no Flat Earth Map.
Why does this website even exist?
Answer that Globetards.
It doesn't exists and this forum is just for shits and giggles.
This site might even be a troll site created by NASA and the NWO to get the personal info of as many people as possible when they sign up.
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If there is no Flat Earth Map.
Why does this website even exist?
Answer that Globetards.
I would have thought that Flat Earthers could answer that best. I have long held the opinion that if there is no accurate map of the flat earth, then the earth cannot be flat.
Since we know essentially all the measurements of the earth, if it were flat, a map would just be a matter of a scale drawing of the earth. But the so called flat earth maps we are presented with do not fit the measurements.
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AHAHAHAH YOU ALL MAKE ME LAUGH A LOT GUYS.
I was an atheist, I just found out there's a GOD, and my whole life changed.
Never felt better before, I'm full of joy and my energy is intense.
even in my atheist phase, I've always managed to be a good person, because love, empathy, real enlightment, joy, peace, love for life etc. has always been there. I had faith in science, till I realized you hijacked science thousands years ago, and that it's all a joke.
god creation is everywhere, I gave a look at things from another point of view and understood everything.
you're exposed in my eyes. but you'll lose.
may GOD save your soul anyway.
I'm a son of god, we all are, but I know because I've faith, in the right one.
we are energy, and you sun-SIN-worshippers evil lesser human beings are a joke.
If atheists believed in a hell, that's where you'd go. There is no evidence for a God but a book and circular reasoning. Just saying, there may be a God but I just can't let myself blindly believe whatever a book tells me. If more evidence arises, fine.
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AHAHAHAH YOU ALL MAKE ME LAUGH A LOT GUYS.
I was an atheist, I just found out there's a GOD, and my whole life changed.
Never felt better before, I'm full of joy and my energy is intense.
even in my atheist phase, I've always managed to be a good person, because love, empathy, real enlightment, joy, peace, love for life etc. has always been there. I had faith in science, till I realized you hijacked science thousands years ago, and that it's all a joke.
god creation is everywhere, I gave a look at things from another point of view and understood everything.
you're exposed in my eyes. but you'll lose.
may GOD save your soul anyway.
I'm a son of god, we all are, but I know because I've faith, in the right one.
we are energy, and you sun-SIN-worshippers evil lesser human beings are a joke.
If atheists believed in a hell, that's where you'd go. There is no evidence for a God but a book and circular reasoning. Just saying, there may be a God but I just can't let myself blindly believe whatever a book tells me. If more evidence arises, fine.
Evidence -> human zygote.
Every human being came from ONE cell. Ponder that for a while and what information DNA has to contain:
(1) to maintain cell systems (proteins, enzymes - do the statistical math) creating BOTH a ribosome as DNA (as nucleic acids) and as a physical entity (from amino acids). You need a 1st ribosome to create more. No ribosome, DNA useless. Which came 1st, chicken or egg since BOTH need to exist in basically the same space (<width of a cell) at the same time?
(2) to create THE critical interdependent MAJOR systems (brain, neural, reproductive, digestive, repair, ocular, auditory, respiratory, structural, muscular, circulatory, immune, etc.) most of which if not done correctly will cause the death of the human.
(3) to "work" - the systems must not only "look" good theoretically sitting there (corpse) but must actually function interdependently.
(4) to be created/grow over a period of 9 months (actually ~18 years) in a coordinated manner - everything in the right place at the right time and the right size.
(5) to be able to reproduce - a biggy. No reproduction, no humanity.
(6) to be able to function in a hostile environment (we are 90%+ water but live in air - we should be like fish living in water) not to mention the environment and predators.
(7) to gather (skillfully move) and eat/process animal/non-animal stuff (plants) and breath oxygen (live in the right place in the universe surrounded by an inhospitable space).
To put this in perspective, with humanity's greatest minds - directed, not random - try to grow a "space shuttle"/whatever from one Autocad drawing blueprint (DNA), that will maintain each part and create something to fabricate all the parts it needs that has to somehow exist at the same time as the blueprint (both RANDOMLY created very near each other), create critical functioning interdependent systems, the systems must actually function (and self-repair), starting from ONE part containing the blueprint (for grins, try to build it from "one cell" - not prefabricated parts), be able to reproduce (nothing other than computer software - information - created by humans reproduces - computer viruses), while in a hostile environment, and must gather its own materials to function, procreate and repair. Good luck with that.
That DNA is pretty smart for being randomly thrown together. BTW it repairs itself.
Also, if you believe the human zygote evolved, please demonstrate new systems being created in biological entities (positive mutations). They get unused, destroyed or incorrectly copied (like fish losing sight in caves, negative mutations). For example, what would it take to put wings on a spider?
That about sums it up.
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We've got a rocket (singular noun), the rocket fuel (singular noun), and that's two objects (two singular nouns)! There you go, satisfied?
Don't forget the rocket engine - that's three, Rainman.
And the fuel tank - that's four, Rainman.
And the fuel pump - that's five, Rainman.
And the astronaut- that's six, Rainman.
Where will all this counting stop, Rainman?
When they find a cure for your autism?
Or after you hit it big in Vegas & use the proceeds to buy a live-in hugbox you never have to leave again?
Oh, & Geoff; STFU.
Watch that spelling, bro.
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So, regarding this map...What happens when someone reaches it's boundry?