The Flat Earth Society
Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: Yaakov ben Avraham on February 06, 2016, 11:09:57 PM
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Jroa is somehow living, & this topic proves HE doesn't have a brain. How can that be? LOL Just kidding, Mate! That was too tempting to resist!
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Yaakov is mad because I proved the Israeli state is just as bad as the Nazis.
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Actually no. The Nazis killed 11 million people, 6 million of them Jews, in their camps, in 12 yrs. Meanwhile, since 1967, the "Palestinian" pop. has MULTIPLIED by FOUR times! This obviously means you can't compare the genocidal Nazis w/ the generally very benign rule of Israel. In fact, as far as Occupied people go, the "Palestinians" have it good. They are the only ones in the world that are allowed by the Occupying Power to appeal their treatment in the Occupying Power's own Supreme Court, where they often WIN. Try that in Tibet. If Israel WANTED to commit genocide, they could fire bomb every "Palestinian" w/i a week. It would be easy. I know you'r e an ignoramus, JROA, but you shouldn't make it quite so obvious! I mean, Dude! Shut that cake hole before you REALLY embarrass yourself.
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The derailment in this thread is an art form.
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The derailment in this thread is an art form.
As I figured. Is there a college course for that?
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I shan't deny that JROA has derailed the thread. But I shall say 1 more thing on the matter in order that Jroa MIGHT learn something. Before Israel declared independence, the region was run by the British. Before them, the Turks for 4.5 centuries. The "Palestinians" NEVER had self-government. The Jews invited them to stay & build up the Land together. When 5 Arab countries invaded, THEY told the Arabs to leave their homes until after Israel was destroyed. Problem is, Israel won the war! The Arabs that had STAYED in Israel are still there. 22% of the pop. Arabic is an official language. They vote, serve in the Knesset, on the Supreme Court, & are fully integrated in Israeli life. Like any minority anywhere, there are issues. But that is to be expected. So, Jroa, you have it very wrong. But then, you're a bit of an anti-Semite. What can I expect?
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How many people did the Jews kill?
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*CHUCKLE* When 5 armies invade your shit, who cares? And before you bring up the King David, it was the fault of the British for putting the Army HQ in a building that also held civilians. You know, kind of like the "Palestinians", using kiddos as human shields.
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King David was around when the British were? ???
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& yes, as in ANY war, there WERE atrocities. The Jews committed a few, for most of which they were harshly punished by the National justice system when they came to light. The Arabs comitted a shit-ton, for which they continue to be lauded as heroes to this day.
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Can we get back on topic? Jroa you should know better than to derail a thread.
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If you had a brain you would know I was referring to the King David Hotel, idiot.
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Soooo, how many people did the Jews kill?
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Like I said. When 5 armies invade your shit, who cares? They fought a war started by OTHER people. THEY DIDN'T START IT! So who cares? They had the moral right to kill every single Arab in every country they fought. To the degree that they did not, they are to be commended for their restraint.
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That is not a number. Also, the Jews stole the land from the... never mind. We have had this conversation.
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And the final question is, how many did the Arabs kill, since they started the mess?
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But, Jews are Arabs. ???
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Like I said. When 5 armies invade your shit, who cares? They fought a war started by OTHER people. THEY DIDN'T START IT! So who cares? They had the moral right to kill every single Arab in every country they fought. To the degree that they did not, they are to be commended for their restraint.
Well not EVERY Arab but certainly ANY that attacked them or who are in the armed forces and still resisting.
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They couldn't steal it from the British. Or the Turks. The "Palestinians" were mostly tenant farmers! They NEVER had self govt or owned the land they farmed. The Jews bought the land, usually @ 3-4 times the market value, from absentee Turkish landlords before WWI.
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How many years did the Jews leave the promised land for the Palestinians? I am trying to remember.
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No. Jews are the sons of Isaac. Arabs are the sons of Ishmael.
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The fact that Arabs took the land doesn't change the fact that it is ours. We simply took back our own.
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Kind of funny then, how the entire country is located on the Arab Peninsula. Seems like you lo9st this battle.
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The fact that Arabs took the land doesn't change the fact that it is ours. We simply took back our own.
It'll be like me leaving my house for a year but still have the contract and someone else squatted on my property.
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And "Palestinians" don't exist. Arabs do. Who live in a land that is not theirs. The ROMANS invented the word "Palestine". I realise you're stupid, but damn! To this degree?
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Why not we take this on to another thread and stop derailing this one.
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You are the only one whose geography teacher taught you that. The rest of us call it the Levant.
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The fact that Arabs took the land doesn't change the fact that it is ours. We simply took back our own.
It'll be like me leaving my house for a year but still have the contract and someone else squatted on my property.
No, it is like leaving your house for a thousand years, then coming back and demanding that the occupants surrender it back to you.
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You are the only one whose geography teacher taught you that. The rest of us call it the Levant.
You can call it what ever you like. You can not redefine what a peninsula is.
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The fact that Arabs took the land doesn't change the fact that it is ours. We simply took back our own.
It'll be like me leaving my house for a year but still have the contract and someone else squatted on my property.
No, it is like leaving your house for a thousand years, then coming back and demanding that the occupants surrender it back to you.
But you still have the contract. Lets take this somewhere else and stop derailing this thread before I report you.
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Should I move this?
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Israel is not part of one. You may call it that if you like, but that simply indicates that you're a schmuck.
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Should I move this?
The topic we are discussing, not the thread.
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Then again, you proved you were a schmuck when you mistook me for an Arab.
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Israel is not part of one. You may call it that if you like, but that simply indicates that you're a schmuck.
Israel is not part of a country, dummy? ???
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Then again, you proved you were a schmuck when you mistook me for an Arab.
I have nothing against you Arabs. Don't make me out to be the bad guy.
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Already explained. You're a schmuck.
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Why do you people hate Arabs so much, when you are Arabs? ???
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No. Jews are the sons of Isaac. Arabs are the sons of Ishmael. The fact that you are stupid doesn't change that.
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I am fairly sure that you Jews live on the Arabian peninsula. :-\
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I would recommend a review of Genesis, but you probably wouldn't have the brains to understand it.
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Like I said. Stupid.
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So, Israel is not on the Arabian Peninsula? ???
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No. It is part of the Levant. Incidentally, Retard, it IS a part of Asia. Nevertheless, we are NOT generally called Asians, & neither are Arabs. How about them apples?
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So, you are claiming that the land of Israel is not par of the land of Arabia? ???
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I am. And yes you have a book to quote that says it is. So what? Its wrong. Even if its right I am no more Arab than I am Asian.
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So Israel is not part of Arabia?
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You have asked the question about 6 different ways, Retard. Look, my battery on this device needs charging. I'm using a phone. Unlike you I am competant. I am also bored talking to a Retard. I will go now. I think anybody who reads this can see who has a brain and its not you.
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So Israel is not part of Arabia?
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One thing I wonder about Israel, apart from any judgement one might make on either party on the conflict:
Why don't they realize that even if they're in the right, their methods will only breed hate and suffering? Perhaps it's my ignorance talking, but it seems so blindingly obvious that regions like Gaza will simple keep creating extremists, simply because the people there have almost no hope for a better future. Walling areas in and cutting them off makes them hotbeds of extremism.
Perhaps there just isn't anything else they possibly could do, but just watching from the outside you get the feeling that the political establishment (especially the righ-wing hardliners) aren't even interested in solving the conflict.
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All the "Palestinians" have to do is stop throwing rockets. Remember that in 2005 Israel left the Gaza entirely. By 2007 they had elected terrorists to govern them and imported shit tons of weapons. Israel had no choice but to blockade the area at that point. They tried the nice peace process way for 2 years and got nothing but rockets on their heads.
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I think the settlers would still be an issue. Not all of them care what the Israeli government mandates.
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Gaza, when the Jews left it, had a thriving infrastructure complete w/ a horticultural environment capable of employing thousands. The Arabs promptly disassembled both to use as much of the material as they could toward the building of weapons. For 2 yrs the area was COMPLETELY unguarded by Jews & in that time got so chock-full of weapons that you could have started WWIII. The blockade was, and remains, necessary, to prevent that kind of shit.
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There ARE no settlers in Gaza! Only in the West Bank.
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At first I was confused. I didnt remember posting on this thread and then I figured that someone moved this topic from "does Australia exits" and put it here.
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Yes. Jroa derails a thread, which he is good at, and then has to move stuff around to make up for it. And even in the NEW thread, he makes himself look foolish. Notice that he derailed when he said in the Australia thread that Israel was as bad as the Nazis. But he starts this thread, not with that, but with my response, to make it look like I derailed the thread. Typical Jroa conduct, of course.
And when I prove him wrong, and make him look as dumb as he in fact is, he then attempts to redeem himself by asking a question that is answered about six different ways. Its stupid, of course. But then again, that should not surprise me or anyone else. Just seeing how he argues in ANY topic should be an indicator of his troglodyte-like intelligence (did I just insult troglodytes?)
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You are God's chosen people, what is it you expect? Accept your lot as God has given it to you.
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Ah, that's an illogical response. IF we acted on that, the "Palestinians" have CLAIMED to be descended from the Canaanites. The correct response, based on being the Chosen People, would be to kill every single one of them down to the last man, woman, and child as the Torah stipulates. Even I am not advocating that! Deportation to Arab nations, maybe. But don't ask us to do what your words suggest. Yes, we are the Chosen. But to do that in the modern age would be insane.
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Ah, that's an illogical response. IF we acted on that, the "Palestinians" have CLAIMED to be descended from the Canaanites. The correct response, based on being the Chosen People, would be to kill every single one of them down to the last man, woman, and child as the Torah stipulates. Even I am not advocating that! Deportation to Arab nations, maybe. But don't ask us to do what your words suggest. Yes, we are the Chosen. But to do that in the modern age would be insane.
What do you think being chosen entails? I don't think you understand.
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What I understand is that you are a psychotic would-be mass murderer. Incidentally, if you still interpret Scripture so literally, do you go outside and dig a hole into which you then relieve yourself and clean your ass precisely as Scripture dictates?
The Scripture makes it very clear that with the exception of the Amalekites, our killing stopped after we entered the Land. And we don't KNOW that the "Palestinians" are Amalekites. We shall NEVER know that. They CLAIM to be of Canaanite descent. But there is no way of testing that. We can't take it upon ouselves to murder an entire group of people without divine sanction, and, 1, the command to eliminate all the Amalekites doesn't apply here (since we don't know if "Palestinians" are such), and 2, I haven't seen any burning bushes or anything like around that would GIVE us such sanction, and I doubt any other Jew has either.
As much as I despise the "Palestinans", and just about any Arab, I have no desire to become a second Hitler. The fact that you advocate anything like makes me think only that you are one sick son of a bitch.
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I have never supported killing Palestinians. I have never even mentioned them.
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Well, in terms of accepting our lot, read Zechariah chapter 8. That ought to give you a good clue of what our lot is.
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Yes, the Jews are God's chosen. That is why I say you should accept your lot in life: it has what God has chosen to give you.
I didn't suggest killing Palestinians.
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There ARE no settlers in Gaza! Only in the West Bank.
West Bank is the larger if the Palestinian enclaves, you can't just ignore the question because it applies to only 60% of the Palestinian population.
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The reason I did not deal with the question is BECAUSE we were NOT talking about Judaea and Samaria, otherwise inappropriately designated the West Bank after its geographic location alongside the River Jordan. We were talking about the Gaza Strip.
Ultimately, Hamas, in their Charter, which has NEVER been changed, calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. And the Palestinian Authority, ruling in Judaea and Samaria, although CLAIMING to recognise a two-state solution, can be seen in the textbooks they make for their children to believe otherwise. In those books, maps of the region show "Palestine" with no reference to Israel's existence. Ultimately, with peace partners like that, who the hell needs enemies?
Eventually, one of two things will happen. Either the Arabs under Occupation will start yet another war and shit will get out of control and they will be annihilated (I sincerely hope not, for their sake), or they will be forced out of the region into other Arab countries, which should have happened years ago. Only this time it won't be nice and orderly. It will be more like a nasty Syrian situation in which the Jews are going to have to get involved to stop what will probably be a vicious internecine civil fucking war, that may draw in the constantly unstable Lebanon, and possibly, G-d forbid, whatever might be left of Syria. And with the Gaza next to Egypt, they may have to get involved to help their old enemy/friend the Jews for the sake of their own stability. Welcome to realpolitik.
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All the "Palestinians" have to do is stop throwing rockets. Remember that in 2005 Israel left the Gaza entirely. By 2007 they had elected terrorists to govern them and imported shit tons of weapons. Israel had no choice but to blockade the area at that point. They tried the nice peace process way for 2 years and got nothing but rockets on their heads.
I see your point. It's interesting to see the situation from your angle. I agree, of course, that the rockets need to stop. I don't believe it will happen though. And there is no way one can simply keep the status quo and wait for the other party to make the first step. That will never work.
One party needs to completely forgo violence and simply wait. People will start to question the narrative when the evil enemy refuses to play the part. The only other options, as you have pointed out, are the destruction or the relocation of all the non-jewish population. And even then, Israel will still be surrounded by muslim countries, who can still fire rockets.
I realize it's a lot to ask of anyone to live in fear of violence yet don't do anything about it. But the thing is I don't see how reacting to the violence will ever make it stop, either. Note that I don't mean not acting in self defense. I simply mean avoiding anything that isn't self defence against an actual imminent attack.
But, again, I see your point. I don't want to defend the extremists, I just think it's such a sad situation for anyone, and nothing has ever worked. Perhaps someone ought to do something unprecedented.
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I think the problem is, is that someone DID do something unprecedented. In 2005, Ariel Sharon removed EVERY SINGLE JEW from the Gaza Strip. For two years, the region was left completely alone. He did this UNILATERALLY , with no expectations of the other side, except the obvious one of being left in peace. Instead, the Arabs imported shit-tons of weaponry, dug tunnels into Israel, shot rockets into Israel, and elected terrorists to govern them.
Finally, after 2 years of this shit, yes, a blockade was announced by BOTH Israel and Egypt. Notice that the only one you ever hear about is the one imposed by those awful Jews. Talk about anti-Semitism at its worst.
So no, we are tired of doing the unprecedented. Let them do it next time. Jews are a People with a long memory. We can wait until the time is right to claim all of Greater Israel, but make no mistake, it will happen.
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To be honest, the Arabs, in their home land, did not get pissed until the British started taking over. Then, they got more pissed when the Jews started pouring in. Then, they got really pissed when the US (and Europe) came after their oil. The Jews then claimed to take over their land, there were wars, and then the Jews turned the Palestinians into second rate citizens. Can you really blame them?
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Tell that tale your own way. You sound like as big an idiot the 100th time as you did the first. There is no such thing as a "Palestinian". There are Arabs who don't belong there. The children of Ishmael will either submit to the children of Isaac or they will be annihilated. Although on a personal level I don't care what choice they make, for their sake I hope they choose the former. As far as the oil, it was discovered by the British. The Arabs would not have known it was there if not FOR the British, and they would certainly have not known how to obtain it.
In your attempt to make Arabs look good, you are succeeding only in making yourself look like an apologist for some of the most uncivilised people on the planet. These people whom you defend are the same ones who use their own children as human shields. Your next entry will probably be a justification for that. I can hardly wait.
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And it might be added that the territory of Greater Israel HAS no oil, by the way, or at least, very little, unlike Jordan, which has some, and the KSA, which has a shit-ton. So that argument doesn't really wash at all.
And your timeline is VERY wrong, BTW. Jews began arriving in large numbers starting in 1882, when the Turks were still in charge, before the British got involved. The British were discovering oil, but the Turks controlled the region politically. The Jews bought land, mostly at 3-4 times its market value, from absentee Turkish landlords. The resident Arabs could have done the same, but were too stupid to do so. Even as it WAS, any Arab who remained in Israel during the War of Independence is now an Israeli Arab, most of whom will tell you they would rather BE that than a citizen of any "Palestinian" State. They have full rights in Israel, FAR MORE than any Jew gets in ANY Arab State, irrespective of whether they are Muslims or Christians.
As for the so-called "Palestinians" who left at the behest of the five Arab Armies that invaded the country, they got what they deserved. They are lucky to be alive. They really don't deserve to be be, frankly, as traitors to their country.
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Yeah yeah yeah. All your god stuff. And then accuse the other side of atrocities. How many Palestinians have the Israelis killed last year?
The only reason I can figure that Israelis would be so adement about taking over Arab land is that they are Arabs themselves.
Also, I never said that Israel had oil, I simply stated that the English and Americans wanted oil on Arab land. Can you not understand English?
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How many Monarchs have the British appointed to be kings and rulers of the Middle Eastern lands?
Did Britain finally approve of the take over of Palestine? Are you sure you are a history major, or chemical engineering major, or what ever degree you have at the present?
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And anyone who calls a Jew an Arab is just a fucking idiot, but then, you do think the world is flat, so…
Who cares how many "Palestinians"died last year? They brought it on themselves.
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And actually, no. Britain gave up and turned the matter over to the UN which, in one of the few useful things its ever done, recognised the already clear and present fact of Israel's existence.
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And anyone who calls a Jew an Arab is just a fucking idiot, but then, you do think the world is flat, so…
Who cares how many "Palestinians"died last year? They brought it on themselves.
I am sorry that your "Promised Land" happened to be on the Arabian Peninsula. I am also sorry that your people hate the Palestinians so much, even though there were not Israelis there, in number, until around 100 hears ago.
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And actually, no. Britain gave up and turned the matter over to the UN which, in one of the few useful things its ever done, recognised the already existing fact of Israel's existence.
What? The League of Nations was not a thing? They did not tell the Israelis it was illegal to do that? They did it anyway? Have you ever read a History book, historian?
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Repeating a lie does not make it a truth al though, you, like Hitler, will attempt to make it so. But again, you do believe the Earth is flat so…
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The League of Nations did not exist? Seriously, have you ever read a history book, historian? lol
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Ah, a stupid question without relevance. Just like you not using the word "Israeli" correctly. But you are stupid, after all, or a retard, I am uncertain which. In any case, my battery is low, and I've made you look stupid enough for one day. I'll sign off now, and come back and torment you again tomorrow.
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Ah, a stupid question without relevance. Just like you not using the word "Israeli" correctly. But you are stupid, after all, or a retard, I am uncertain which. In any case, my battery is low, and I've made you look stupid enough for one day. I'll sign off now, and come back and torment you again tomorrow.
What language do you speak, dumb ass? Because in my language, Israeli is a word. Do you Jews change all of the words that you don't like? I did not even know that Jews did not like the word Israeli, much less that they accost people for it.
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No, Shit-for-Brains. You are using the word incorrectly. You are using it as a synonym for "Jew". In fact, "Israeli" refers to any citizen of the State of Israel, irrespective of their membership in a national group, religious group, ethnic group, or ethno-religious group. 22% of said Israelis are in fact Arabs! Arabic is co-official, along with Hebrew. Arabs serve in the Knesset, on the Supreme Court, in the military (voluntarily; they aren't drafted, unlike Jews, who are [unless you count the Druze Arabs who are drafted by their own request]), Arabs vote, go to college, work, and otherwise participate in the national life of the State.
This is FAR more than ANY Jew will ever get in any Arab shithole. But as an apologist for "Palestinians", I know you will come up with yet something else to whine about. Since "Palestinians" are NOT Israelis, given that they are not citizens of the State, unlike The Arabs who STAYED in Israel during the 1948 War.
"Palestinians", who betrayed the State in 1948, unlike the other Arabs who stayed, are lucky to even be alive. Frankly, they don't deserve to be. And that is all that need be said.
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So, Palestinians are Israelis? Funny how your people punishes them for not being Jewish, don't you think?
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Damn, what a shithead. Since "Palestinians"aren't citizens of Israel...
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And the League, which you so pointlessly brought up, gave Britain its Mandate to rule what was then called inapproprately "Palestine" after what the Romans had called it (incidentally, the word "Palestina" is a Latinised version of the word "Philistia", the people of whom are called "Philistines", an ancient enemy of ours. The Romans called it that in an attempt, fortunately unsuccessful, to de-Judaeise the region). By the time 1948 came around, the League didn't even exist any longer. So bringing that failed institution up was just stupid on your part. It had nothing to do with the decision Britain made to LEAVE the region to its own devices in May of that year, if memory serves me well.
So, if I were you, by this point in the argument I would be feeling like such an ass and a fool that I would turn tail and run for the hills. Lets recap, just for those who need to know briefly how I've made you look like a dumbass.
1). Israel is NOT like Germany. Germany killed 11 million persons in her camps in 12 years, 6 million of them Jewish. The "Palestinian" pop. on the other hand has multiplied by FOUR times in 49 years.
2). "Palestinians" can actually protest their treatment in the Supreme Court of Israel, where they often win. No other occupied people in the world has that prerogative.
3). "Palestinians" were invited by Jews to share the country with them in 1948. Many chose to do so, and, as Israeli Arabs, have full rights as citizens. Most of them, in poll after poll, have stated repeatedly that although Israel is not perfect, they would MUCH prefer their current status as citizens of Israel as opposed to any "Palestinian" State.
4). The "Palestinians" who rejected the idea in (3) fled at the request/order of the five invading Arab Armies after Israel declared independence. It was their choice to leave, and lose their homes.
5). Atrocities were committed by both sides, albeit far more by Arabs. And the ones done by Jews were usually punished when known about. The Arabs continue to uphold the perpetrators of theirs as heroes.
6). When someone starts a war with you, you are permitted to kill as many combatants as needed to force a surrender, which is what Israel did fighting five invading armies in1948.
7). The "Palestinians" NEVER had self government at any point in their history. The Israeli Arabs have far more rights than Arabs living in that region HAVE EVER HAD at any time.
(8 ). Jews are the sons of Isaac. Arabs are the sons of Ishmael. They are not the same people, although they ARE both Semitic, along with some other groups.
9). The Levant is not on the Arabian Peninsula.
10). Israel already TRIED something unprecedented by completely evacuating the Gaza Strip. In return, mass weapons were imported and rockets were rained on their heads. A blockade was introduced by Israel AND Egypt, although THE ONLY ONE THE WHINY MEDIA EVER TALKS ABOUT is the Israeli blockade.
11). Hamas openly calls for Israel's destruction. The PA teaches its children that Israel doesn't exist.
12). Without the British, the Arabs would never have known what oil was, or that they had any, or how to get it, or what to do with it.
The last point about the use of the word "Israeli" is just above, so I won't cover it here. But I think that about wraps up the argument, and puts a tying bow on making jroa look like the fool he is. Please note that that was NOT my original intent. But when someone deliberately acts like an anti-Semitic asshole, I shall respond.
I hope this argument can rest here. But that is up to him.
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On the one hand, I appreciate the Islamophobic propaganda produced by Israel, Zionists, and their supporters. On the other, though, I appreciate the anti-Semitic propaganda produced by Arabs, cucks, and their supporters. Hopefully it will help wake the West up to the infiltration of these troublesome foreign groups into OUR national politics.
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Aside from the fact that Jews have lived in the USA since BEFORE the founding of the Republic, have fought in every conflict to maintain the freedom of said Republic, and have been part and parcel of the nation's fabric since before there WAS one.
I'll grant the Liberty, for which Israel apologised and paid indemnities to the families of the fallen. They did after all think it was an Egyptian craft. And I'll grant J. Pollard, but that fucker had (and still has) some serious mental problems. Why he was EVER allowed in the military of ANY nation is beyond me.
Israel is hardly islamophobic. 20% of its own population is Muslim. The other 2% of Arabs are Christian or Druze. Although the Arab minority DOES have issues affecting it, just like Negroes in the USA, or any minority anywhere, in poll after poll after poll, said Arabs have repeatedly expressed their preference at remaining citizens of Israel as opposed to any proposed "Palestinian" State, or any other Arab State currently existing.
Before you open your mouth, and proceed to stick your own dick in it, it would behoove you to read a book or two, if in fact you are literate. Do try, so the rest of us are not forced to read crap.
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Wow, Jews get really mad. Is there anything that will quench your ire?
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Wow, Jews get really mad. Is there anything that will quench your ire?
According to the Torah, the blood of every Canaanite is a good start.
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JROA, I am not mad at all. I've already made you look like a fucktard, as the above summary indicates.
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So nothing will quench your ire?
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Indicating that I am not upset indicates a lack of ire. I realise that as a fucktard you don't understand this, of course.
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I would be mad too, if I stole someone's property and they call me names for doing so.
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It is not my fault you have lost an argument and are irritable for having done so.
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You sound very mad now. Perhaps you should wash the sand out of your vagina?
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Sounds like you have a bit of a personal problem now that you have dropped to fourth grade insults. Is that really the best you can do?
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I was having a serious debate until your female hygiene problems derailed us.