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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth General => Topic started by: SpheresForLife on January 29, 2016, 05:06:12 PM
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How does the FES explain the fact that the poles experience 6 months of day and 6 months of night? From models of the day and night system I've seen it doesn't account for those 6 months
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By denying it.
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Set the centre of the Sun's rotation at a point just off the north pole and they can explain it at one of the poles, by having the Sun move in and out. At both poles however, no such luck. Denial's their best recourse.
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Set the centre of the Sun's rotation at a point just off the north pole and they can explain it at one of the poles, by having the Sun move in and out. At both poles however, no such luck. Denial's their best recourse.
I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?
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Set the centre of the Sun's rotation at a point just off the north pole and they can explain it at one of the poles, by having the Sun move in and out. At both poles however, no such luck. Denial's their best recourse.
I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?
I haven't personally seen New York, so how am I to believe it is there?
Yes, I have seen reports from people that have been there, so I am prepared to accept it is there.
I have seen numerous reports from people who have seen the "midnight sun" at the South Pole, so I am quite prepared to accept it as real.
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Set the centre of the Sun's rotation at a point just off the north pole and they can explain it at one of the poles, by having the Sun move in and out. At both poles however, no such luck. Denial's their best recourse.
I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?
Yes, and yes.
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Set the centre of the Sun's rotation at a point just off the north pole and they can explain it at one of the poles, by having the Sun move in and out. At both poles however, no such luck. Denial's their best recourse.
I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?
Yes, and yes.
You live close enough to see it?
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I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?
Here is a video of the Antarctic midnight sun:
(http://)
So, yeah. People have seen it.
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Set the centre of the Sun's rotation at a point just off the north pole and they can explain it at one of the poles, by having the Sun move in and out. At both poles however, no such luck. Denial's their best recourse.
I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?
Yes, and yes.
You live close enough to see it?
I live in the Northern Hemisphere but worked in Antarctica for three months when I was in grad school, years ago. The sun went below the horizon for a brief time each day for the first few days I was at McMurdo Station (77°51′S); after that, the Sun was above the horizon for the rest of my stay.
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I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?
Here is a video of the Antarctic midnight sun:
(http://)
So, yeah. People have seen it.
I've seen those videos, I just don't know if I trust them.
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Set the centre of the Sun's rotation at a point just off the north pole and they can explain it at one of the poles, by having the Sun move in and out. At both poles however, no such luck. Denial's their best recourse.
I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?
Yes, and yes.
You live close enough to see it?
I live in the Northern Hemisphere but worked in Antarctica for three months when I was in grad school, years ago. The sun went below the horizon for a brief time each day for the first few days I was at McMurdo Station (77°51′S); after that, the Sun was above the horizon for the rest of my stay.
I believe I remember seeing a picture of you outside with your telescope. I think you live in Texas or somewhere out west from me.
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Set the centre of the Sun's rotation at a point just off the north pole and they can explain it at one of the poles, by having the Sun move in and out. At both poles however, no such luck. Denial's their best recourse.
I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?
Yes, and yes.
You live close enough to see it?
I live in the Northern Hemisphere but worked in Antarctica for three months when I was in grad school, years ago. The sun went below the horizon for a brief time each day for the first few days I was at McMurdo Station (77°51′S); after that, the Sun was above the horizon for the rest of my stay.
I believe I remember seeing a picture of you outside with your telescope. I think you live in Texas or somewhere out west from me.
I don't think that was me. I do have a telescope, and do live in that general part of the US, but I've never posted a picture of myself here, nor have I seen one posted by someone else.
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Set the centre of the Sun's rotation at a point just off the north pole and they can explain it at one of the poles, by having the Sun move in and out. At both poles however, no such luck. Denial's their best recourse.
I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?
Yes, and yes.
You live close enough to see it?
I live in the Northern Hemisphere but worked in Antarctica for three months when I was in grad school, years ago. The sun went below the horizon for a brief time each day for the first few days I was at McMurdo Station (77°51′S); after that, the Sun was above the horizon for the rest of my stay.
I believe I remember seeing a picture of you outside with your telescope. I think you live in Texas or somewhere out west from me.
I don't think that was me. I do have a telescope, and do live in that general part of the US, but I've never posted a picture of myself here, nor have I seen one posted by someone else.
Maybe it was the other site.
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Maybe it was the other site.
I'm not even registered there. One FES is plenty, and I found this one first.
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I've seen those videos, I just don't know if I trust them.
Antarctica is also a polular tourist destination and it has 1,000+ science outposts. Not all of the outposts are active in the winter but during the summer when the midnight sun happens is when all the outposts are active and the most tourists are there. If you are willing to spend some money and take a vacation you could observe the Antarctic midnight sun yourself.
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Does every flat earth argument consist of "I haven't seen it so I don't believe it's true"?
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1,000+ science outposts
Is that what the drunken antarctic scientists (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/drunken-antarctica-scientists-fighting-and-exposing-themselves-report-says-a6681676.html)are calling them now?
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1,000+ science outposts
Is that what the drunken antarctic scientists (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/drunken-antarctica-scientists-fighting-and-exposing-themselves-report-says-a6681676.html)are calling them now?
Alcohol consumption is larger then normal in Antarctic bases then elsewhere, but that doesn't mean that allantarctic scientists are constantly drunk. Even so, alcohol doesn't make people fake midnight Sun footage and think that it's a real video. There are still countless sober scientists and countless tourists. Your argument is pretty bad.
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1,000+ science outposts
Is that what the drunken antarctic scientists (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/drunken-antarctica-scientists-fighting-and-exposing-themselves-report-says-a6681676.html)are calling them now?
Your comments on any Antarctic issue are worthless until you grow a pair and provide the promised quotes from explorers who claimed to see an ice wall beyond the South Pole.
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1,000+ science outposts
Is that what the drunken antarctic scientists (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/drunken-antarctica-scientists-fighting-and-exposing-themselves-report-says-a6681676.html)are calling them now?
Alcohol consumption is larger then normal in Antarctic bases then elsewhere, but that doesn't mean that allantarctic scientists are constantly drunk. Even so, alcohol doesn't make people fake midnight Sun footage and think that it's a real video. There are still countless sober scientists and countless tourists. Your argument is pretty bad.
Just a reminder: no other industry has ever had a need for mandatory breathalyzer tests for its employees.
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1,000+ science outposts
Is that what the drunken antarctic scientists (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/drunken-antarctica-scientists-fighting-and-exposing-themselves-report-says-a6681676.html)are calling them now?
Alcohol consumption is larger then normal in Antarctic bases then elsewhere, but that doesn't mean that allantarctic scientists are constantly drunk. Even so, alcohol doesn't make people fake midnight Sun footage and think that it's a real video. There are still countless sober scientists and countless tourists. Your argument is pretty bad.
Just a reminder: no other industry has ever had a need for mandatory breathalyzer tests for its employees. [citation needed]
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I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?
Here is a video of the Antarctic midnight sun:
(http://)
So, yeah. People have seen it.
I've seen those videos, I just don't know if I trust them.
I am really curious!
Have you, or anyone else, seen these "Celestial Gears" that Tom Bishop says causes all sorts of wonderful things, like:
Coriolis, Star Trails, observed variations in gravity and all sorts of things?
Have you seen the "Ice Wall" that is supposed to lock everybody out of Antarctica? No, neither photos nor videos are adequate! They might be fake!
Flat earthers come up with so many absolute guesses to explain weaknesses in the theory with no evidence to back them up!
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I don't think that anyone has claimed that an "Ice Wall" locks everybody out of Antarctica. I wish you people would stop making things up.
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Nobody here has claimed it but I have seen that claim on GLP.
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What is GLP?
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godlikeproductions.com
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godlikeproductions.com
Aren't they a bunch of conspiracy nuts? This is a serious scientific forum. :D
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godlikeproductions.com
hmmm,
GLP,
Home of the shills,
and the generous giver of spyware and viruses.
Anyone tempted in following frenat to his hangout should first search -
godlikeproductions spyware Tavistock institute.
you can't say you were not warned.
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godlikeproductions.com
hmmm,
GLP,
Home of the shills,
and the generous giver of spyware and viruses.
Anyone tempted in following frenat to his hangout should first search -
godlikeproductions spyware Tavistock institute.
you can't say you were not warned.
did I suggest anyone go there?
I've also never seen anyone get spyware and viruses just from visiting the site but then I don't have my computer setup to accept everything it runs into. Maybe you do? You may run into crap in links other people post but that can happen on any forum.
I also searched what you said and what I found was stuff just as crazy as is posted on GLP as well as some stuff here. so what does that say?
What I have seen about GLP is unless you are a paying member (which I wouldn't recommend as it is a scam, the site is good for entertainment purposes only IMHO) then you WILL get banned at some point. Banning is IP based and while they have a link to request an unban they don't pay attention to requests. the only ways to get unbanned are wait (eventually they clear all the bans and start over) or become a paying member. Banning appears to be used to generate revenue. They also use a craptastic hand-written forum software that is buggy. Posting links to youtube will often show the wrong video (display some other video previously linked in the thread) even though the link will be correct. Nested quotes break when they get long enough that they'll point to the wrong people.
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Just a reminder: no other industry has ever had a need for mandatory breathalyzer tests for its employees.
That's because mandatory tests without probable cause like that violate the 4th ammemdment and thus are illegal in the a United States. Antarctica is not claimed by any nation and is under only international law, so the 4th ammemdment is not in effect. Many industries have the need for such tests because intoxicated workers can cause problems when operating machinery and stuff.
I still don't get what you are implying. Being drunk doesn't make you slip near a computer and accidentally fake midnight Sun footage. Worldwide, beer is the third most popular beverage behind water and tea. There are a lot of drunk people in the world, and last I checked symptoms of alcoholism didn't include faking videos and thinking that they are real.
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Just a reminder: no other industry has ever had a need for mandatory breathalyzer tests for its employees.
That's because mandatory tests without probable cause like that violate the 4th ammemdment and thus are illegal in the a United States. Antarctica is not claimed by any nation and is under only international law, so the 4th ammemdment is not in effect. Many industries have the need for such tests because intoxicated workers can cause problems when operating machinery and stuff.
I still don't get what you are implying. Being drunk doesn't make you slip near a computer and accidentally fake midnight Sun footage. Worldwide, beer is the third most popular beverage behind water and tea. There are a lot of drunk people in the world, and last I checked symptoms of alcoholism didn't include faking videos and thinking that they are real.
My point is that the drunk scientists have about as much credibility as Otis from Mayberry. If they can't be trusted to be sober during working hours, then how much should I take their word for anything?
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My point is that the drunk scientists have about as much credibility as Otis from Mayberry. If they can't be trusted to be sober during working hours, then how much should I take their word for anything?
The paralytic "scientists" were probably smashed on cheap varnish and spent six months staring at a light bulb :D
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My point is that the drunk scientists have about as much credibility as Otis from Mayberry. If they can't be trusted to be sober during working hours, then how much should I take their word for anything?
So your logic is that since some scientists in Antarctica can't be trusted to not commit a minor infraction, then they must all be dirty liars that can't be trusted with anything and they must be faking video footage and lying about observations instead of doing science.
Banks have a lot of security, so my your logic everybody who enters a bank is a lying stealing scumbag because they could not be trusted to not steal the money if it were not in a safe. Do you see how flawed that logic is?
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When was the last time you got a breathalyzer test while trying to make a deposit? I think your analogy fails right there.
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When was the last time you got a breathalyzer test while trying to make a deposit? I think your analogy fails right there.
Again, breathalyzer tests without probable cause violates the fourth amendment. My analogy still stands because according to your logic the need to have a safe to store the money in means that everyone who has ever walked into a bank cannot be trusted near money that's not locked up, just as you think that the need for breathalyzer tests implies that all antarctica scientists can't be trusted at all with anything ever. Your logic is so flawed.
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When was the last time you got a breathalyzer test while trying to make a deposit? I think your analogy fails right there.
** Ahem! **
Just a reminder: no other industry has ever had a need for mandatory breathalyzer tests for its employees. [citation needed]
[emphasis added]
Just a reminder: I'm still waiting for some evidence that breathalyzer tests for Antarctic researchers are mandatory. [nb]Your linked article doesn't say they are, even if you want to think it does. Is there more information that followed?[/nb]
Next, you need to provide a list of all industries and show that none of them has ever required breathalyzer tests.
Both of these conditions are required to make your pronouncement true.
Go ahead...
[Edit] broke the "pronouncement" sentence into its own pg. for readability.
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I don't need to prove anything. If you think my statement is wrong, then you are free to provide counter evidence. However, the burden of proof is not on me to prove a negative.
I know you people get all mad whenever we talk about the drunken Antarctic scientists. I would be upset too if the people whom I am looking to prove the shape of the world end up being drunk all the time. I feel for you, bro.
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Serious derailment here. But to assist in the drunken Antarctic explorer chat, lets have a think about this.
In a normal city dwelling persons life you can split their lives in 3.
a third working
a third social and doing fun life things
a third sleeping and doing boring life things
now each of those 3rds can and usually are done in different location, with different people.
When you are in the Antarctic (or any super isolated location, ships ext) those 3 things get mixed together.
Its the same few people everyday at the same 1 location. These are also not your family members or people you necessarily would chose to spend months with. There is no going outside for a nice walk or jog.
So your social and fun things get diminished into, sitting around and . . . well, drinking makes the time go by quickly.
All that said and done. What the hell does this have to do with the sun staying up 6 months?
Is your best argument against a 6 month day/night cycle is that people get bored, lonely and drunk?
You have actually prove that all people (not just scientists) that have been to the Antarctic and seen the long day/night cycles have been drunk to the extent that they are not capable of coherent thought and observations all the time.
Save yourself the effort, you cant prove that. The argument does not stand.
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When was the last time you got a breathalyzer test while trying to make a deposit? I think your analogy fails right there.
Again, breathalyzer tests without probable cause violates the fourth amendment. My analogy still stands because according to your logic the need to have a safe to store the money in means that everyone who has ever walked into a bank cannot be trusted near money that's not locked up, just as you think that the need for breathalyzer tests implies that all antarctica scientists can't be trusted at all with anything ever. Your logic is so flawed.
It could also be argued that mandatory breathalyzer tests also violate the 5th amendment: the right to not be required to self incriminate oneself. But, regardless of the legality of it, the alcohol problem in Antarctica is so prevalent that the government of the US wants to start requiring the partying Antarctic scientists to submit to the tests before starting work. That article even claims that those frat-boy scientists are even brewing their own alcohol in their labs.
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It could also be argued that mandatory breathalyzer tests also violate the 5th amendment: the right to not be required to self incriminate oneself. But, regardless of the legality of it, the alcohol problem in Antarctica is so prevalent that the government of the US wants to start requiring the partying Antarctic scientists to submit to the tests before starting work. That article even claims that those frat-boy scientists are even brewing their own alcohol in their labs.
The fact that it's unconstitutional is the reason why no other industry has it. The fact that drinking is a probelem in Antarctica does not mean that every person on that continent (including tourists) is so drunk that they can't read a clock or a compass and figure out where the Sun is. Your entire argument is an ad hominem fallacy, attacking the Antarctica scientists without attacking their observations.
Also, of course they are brewing it in their labs. Where else would they get it? It's not like they could just go down to their local bar, and I doubt that all that alcohol would be shipped to them.
It should also be noted that the only ones relying on Antarctica scientists to prove Earth's shape is you. I have proven that Earth is round many times, most notably with my sunspot offer action experiment. I have more experiments planned like a Moon observation one, but flat earthers really seem to hate participating in experiments that test their beliefs.
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I don't need to prove anything.
Of course you think you don't. You claim whatever you want, whether it's true or not. Facts be damned.
If you think my statement is wrong, then you are free to provide counter evidence. However, the burden of proof is not on me to prove a negative.
You're the one that made the statement you can't back up. Let's start with the easy part: where in the article did it say mandatory breathalyzer tests were happening? All I saw in there was a recommendation by someone.
I know you people get all mad whenever we talk about the drunken Antarctic scientists. I would be upset too if the people whom I am looking to prove the shape of the world end up being drunk all the time. I feel for you, bro.
You don't feel you need to justify your claim of "universally drunken Antarctic scientists" with no evidence for it? No surprise there. Again, facts be damned. You do this all the time. It does get a bit old, but, then this is The Flat Earth Society forum, so a moderator playing fast and loose with the truth is not unexpected.
Oh, yes... since you asked: https://www.lifeloc.com/petroleum.aspx (https://www.lifeloc.com/petroleum.aspx). There goes the other part of your statement.
With private industry, what's constitutional or not isn't relevant. Private companies can require agreement to substance-abuse testing as a condition of employment; an individual is always free to refuse testing, but that can be grounds for dismissal.
[Edit] Remove extraneous 'the'
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The reason Jroa says stupid things is because he is a shill.
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http://postimg.org/image/we4w7iux1/ (http://postimg.org/image/we4w7iux1/)
[img=http://s10.postimg.org/we4w7iux1/bills.jpg] (http://postimg.org/image/we4w7iux1/)
i spent awhile in antartica - heres a pic with some fellow bills fans.....
its cool to watch the sun when it doesnt set. it just goes 360 degrees around you dipping and rising slightly throughout the day like this ?/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
another proof that the earth is rotating and the sun isnt a lamp above us
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Also, of course they are brewing it in their labs. Where else would they get it? It's not like they could just go down to their local bar, and I doubt that all that alcohol would be shipped to them.
Apparently, you did not even bother to read the article or do any research for yourself. They have bars and liquor stores in Antarctica. lol
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I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?
Here is a video of the Antarctic midnight sun:
(http://)
So, yeah. People have seen it.
Hm, the light spot (your midnight sun) is at zenith around 03.00 am local time (midnight?) above the green hut on a flat field and at the lowest height at 15.00 pm facing the camera. Quite easy to fake anywhere - just a snowy, flat field lit up by a spot hanging in a crane. I would fit a skirt around the bottom of the hut to prevent its floor to be chilled.