The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: Jadyyn on December 03, 2015, 09:56:22 AM
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An interesting question occurred to me...
Since FE models do not believe in outer space, should we be worrying about killer asteroids and comets (like Halley's comet) hitting the Earth?
Since space is sooo big and these are sooo small (actually a 1 km asteroid is quite big and can destroy massive amounts of life on Earth but in space at a distance of 10,000,000's km, it is next to nothing) and dim (mag ~18+, some are dark so they really need to be close to see them), the astronomical community has telescopes with CCD cameras and computers sweeping the sky looking for "Pluto" - asteroids whose orbits may hit Earth. This is an area of astronomy where amateur astronomers can really help around the world running their telescopes all night. (http://www.space.com/13272-asteroid-discovery-amateur-astronomers-2011-sf108.html (http://www.space.com/13272-asteroid-discovery-amateur-astronomers-2011-sf108.html)) and (http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/ (http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/))
Per FE, asteroids are just 5000 km up and tiny or at best somehow come from under the single disk and create craters on Earth. Is there really nothing to worry about? Are we wasting our time?
Should everyone on Earth rely on FE - outer space (and killer asteroids) don't exist? If one actually is going to hit the Earth and destroy us, will you drop your FE models? Will it be too late to say "sorry" or "ooops"? I bet you will believe in NASA and its pictures...
Furthermore, are FEers comfortable with potentially being responsible for killing millions or billions of people if their FE models are wrong?
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An interesting question occurred to me...
Since FE models do not believe in outer space, should we be worrying about killer asteroids and comets (like Halley's comet) hitting the Earth?
Nope, nothing to worry about. They're just hydrogen ice falls from a build up. Like Icicles do down here or hail stones, only much larger up higher.
Since space is sooo big and these are sooo small (actually a 1 km asteroid is quite big and can destroy massive amounts of life on Earth but in space at a distance of 10,000,000's km,
Space does not exist. What you see is under the dome you're a prisoner under.
it is next to nothing) and dim (mag ~18+, some are dark so they really need to be close to see them), the astronomical community has telescopes with CCD cameras and computers sweeping the sky looking for "Pluto" - asteroids whose orbits may hit Earth.
Sweeping the sky if fine but that's it. What is seen is what is inside this dome.
This is an area of astronomy where amateur astronomers can really help around the world running their telescopes all night.
(http://www.space.com/13272-asteroid-discovery-amateur-astronomers-2011-sf108.html (http://www.space.com/13272-asteroid-discovery-amateur-astronomers-2011-sf108.html)) and (http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/ (http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/))
They will only see what's inside Earth under this dome.
Per FE, asteroids are just 5000 km up and tiny or at best somehow come from under the single disk and create craters on Earth. Is there really nothing to worry about? Are we wasting our time?
Nothing to worry about as far as chunks of rock are concerned unless you find yourself under a landslide of loose rocks on mountains/hills.
Should everyone on Earth rely on FE - outer space (and killer asteroids) don't exist?
Think what you like. If you believe they exist then worry about them. Also worry about the star ship enterprise veering off course and landing on your house after a burn up.
If one actually is going to hit the Earth and destroy us, will you drop your FE models?
It's not going to happen.
Will it be too late to say "sorry" or "ooops"? I bet you will believe in NASA and its pictures...
NASA pictures of space rockets and space exploits, are all rigged up bullshit.
Furthermore, are FEers comfortable with potentially being responsible for killing millions or billions of people if their FE models are wrong?
The only thing that will be responsible for killing millions or billions is disease or natural causes over time.
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sceptimatic, if asteroids don't exist, then explain the hundreds of crater sites across the world which, you can go and visit yourself.
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So the short answer is no, there is nothing to fear.
When my children were young, I told them one of the differences between an adult and a child is that adults consider the consequences of their actions. I don't believe FEers do.
If FE models were just fantasy - World of Warcraft, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, or Harry Potter, no problem. But these FE models are argued to be REAL. Some idiot politician may actually believe in them. Since there is no outer space, he might cancel funding for searching for killer asteroids. If you want a conspiracy, it is actually LIKELY, that if such an asteroid existed, governments would try to destroy or knock it out of the way so as to not cause panic to the general public - they would keep it secret. Working for a big company during Y2K, I can tell you, from personal experience, problems were hidden.
This also goes for satellites - meaning defensive/offensive satellites like those around the USA and probably the world. If just some people/countries believe in FE, are they really willing to risk their security when say Russia, China, or some Islamic countries probably do not. If FE is wrong, do FEers really want the responsibility for the consequences? If you had your way - would you get rid of or not launch any satellites?
Sorry folks, I deal with REALITY and not FANTASY. Even IF RET were wrong (the way FE is), I would rather err on the side of caution rather than throwing caution to the wind. Because FEers are pushing these FE models as reality, I believe FE fantasies are really dangerous to mankind across the planet. FEers are being totally irresponsible and wreckless. THAT is dangerous.
What I really hate is all the people I hear saying "sorry". I don't want you to be "sorry". I want people to be cognizant of the consequences (being an adult) of their actions and beliefs BEFORE they become REALITY.
I have a thread about craters. The only thing I got were some words - UA, Aetherial whirlpools and Dark Energy - that jroa spouted off (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64845.40#.VmCdq3arSUk (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64845.40#.VmCdq3arSUk)) - just so answers. If you don't know how craters are formed on Earth, how can you possibly say there aren't killer asteroids? By Region - (http://www.snipview.com/q/Impact_craters_on_Earth_by_region (http://www.snipview.com/q/Impact_craters_on_Earth_by_region))
(http://www.spaceanswers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/616x413xMeteorcrater.jpg.pagespeed.ic.3zYvbvcK6j.jpg)
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Well said Jadyyn. :)
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Looks like H.A.A.R.P. or Operation Fishbowl, knocked a huge chunk of the dome off. Dang haters.
Should be fair though, could be a sink hole or collapsed volcano. I like that better!
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Looks like H.A.A.R.P. or Operation Fishbowl, knocked a huge chunk of the dome off. Dang haters.
Should be fair though, could be a sink hole or collapsed volcano. I like that better!
*grunt*
Bud, this is what a sinkhole is:
(http://www.dvhardware.net/news/guatemala_sink_hole_2.jpg)
Does that look like a crater from a meteor, at all!?
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Does that look like a crater from a meteor, at all!?
No sir, I must say it does not. But we must never judge a book by it's cover. Looks can be deceiving.
Too many variables to be considered.
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I have a thread about craters. The only thing I got were some words - UA, Aetherial whirlpools and Dark Energy - that jroa spouted off (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64845.40#.VmCdq3arSUk (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64845.40#.VmCdq3arSUk)) - just so answers.
Ah, openly ignoring and outright lying about the DE answers as ever I see.
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Does that look like a crater from a meteor, at all!?
No sir, I must say it does not. But we must never judge a book by it's cover. Looks can be deceiving.
Too many variables to be considered.
Alright, how do you explain this? Around impact sites, chunks of metal, like iron or very rarely, iridium, have been found scattered around the impacts sites in patterns that suggest a large impact. How do you have explain this?
Is this "magical dome" now somehow made of every possible element?
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Does that look like a crater from a meteor, at all!?
No sir, I must say it does not. But we must never judge a book by it's cover. Looks can be deceiving.
Too many variables to be considered.
Alright, how do you explain this? Around impact sites, chunks of metal, like iron or very rarely, iridium, have been found scattered around the impacts sites in patterns that suggest a large impact. How do you have explain this?
Is this "magical dome" now somehow made of every possible element?
Volcanoes?
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sceptimatic, if asteroids don't exist, then explain the hundreds of crater sites across the world which, you can go and visit yourself.
They are natural subsidence of land that was once filled with water and dried out as the climate altered, as it always will.
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sceptimatic, if asteroids don't exist, then explain the hundreds of crater sites across the world which, you can go and visit yourself.
They are natural subsidence of land that was once filled with water and dried out as the climate altered, as it always will.
Yes, but how do they form. It's not magic.
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Does that look like a crater from a meteor, at all!?
No sir, I must say it does not. But we must never judge a book by it's cover. Looks can be deceiving.
Too many variables to be considered.
Alright, how do you explain this? Around impact sites, chunks of metal, like iron or very rarely, iridium, have been found scattered around the impacts sites in patterns that suggest a large impact. How do you have explain this?
Is this "magical dome" now somehow made of every possible element?
Take a look at that supposed meteor crater and consider what we are told about the destruction that would be caused by something as large as that, coming in at X amount of thousands of miles per hour.
Do you seriously believe it would only make a hole that big?
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sceptimatic, if asteroids don't exist, then explain the hundreds of crater sites across the world which, you can go and visit yourself.
They are natural subsidence of land that was once filled with water and dried out as the climate altered, as it always will.
Yes, but how do they form. It's not magic.
Way back in history, that land may have been flooded and the ground may have been a large mound that simply sunk due to porous ground underneath or something to that effect.
Obviously it's a guess but it's no meteor crater because they don't exist in how we are told.
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Does that look like a crater from a meteor, at all!?
No sir, I must say it does not. But we must never judge a book by it's cover. Looks can be deceiving.
Too many variables to be considered.
Alright, how do you explain this? Around impact sites, chunks of metal, like iron or very rarely, iridium, have been found scattered around the impacts sites in patterns that suggest a large impact. How do you have explain this?
Is this "magical dome" now somehow made of every possible element?
Volcanoes?
No. I know what you're thinking, but crater volcanoes look like the following:
(http://morfis.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/nabiyotum-crater-kenya.jpg)
(http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/sunset-crater-volcano-national-monument1.jpg)
Now, there are many things wrong with assuming that volcanoes like these are what all these supposed craters are:
1. Crater volcanoes always have hillsides surrounding them. Almost all craters do not:
2. There needs to be tectonic activity in the area for there to be a volcano. There isn't tectonic activity in many places where there are craters, for example, Arizona.
3. There would be noticeable things that would provide evidence for a volcano, namely things like magma tunnels, magma, if it's active, etc. Discovered craters do not have these things.
There are more, but these three are pretty solid disproofs of your assumption.
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Does that look like a crater from a meteor, at all!?
No sir, I must say it does not. But we must never judge a book by it's cover. Looks can be deceiving.
Too many variables to be considered.
Alright, how do you explain this? Around impact sites, chunks of metal, like iron or very rarely, iridium, have been found scattered around the impacts sites in patterns that suggest a large impact. How do you have explain this?
Is this "magical dome" now somehow made of every possible element?
Take a look at that supposed meteor crater and consider what we are told about the destruction that would be caused by something as large as that, coming in at X amount of thousands of miles per hour.
Do you seriously believe it would only make a hole that big?
Meteor crater is not small. It's 1.1 kilometers (0.7 miles) across and about 170 meters (560 feet) deep. The meteor that struck the surface had a diameter of only, and came it at the speed of, wait for it...
50 meters (160 feet)
12.8 kilometers per second (28,000 miles per hour)
That's a lot of energy.
For a rock that small, the crater it made is huge. I don't know why you think that the meteor that impacted there was some huge "mile-big" asteroid, but that's not the case.
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No. I know what you're thinking, but crater volcanoes look like the following:
Now, there are many things wrong with assuming that volcanoes like these are what all these supposed craters are:
1. Crater volcanoes always have hillsides surrounding them. Almost all craters do not:
2. There needs to be tectonic activity in the area for there to be a volcano. There isn't tectonic activity in many places where there are craters, for example, Arizona.
3. There would be noticeable things that would provide evidence for a volcano, namely things like magma tunnels, magma, if it's active, etc. Discovered craters do not have these things.
There are more, but these three are pretty solid disproofs of your assumption.
Well the earth is how many million/billion years old? We can not presume to know the earths makeup before the creation man, fell. The was no such thing as time (as we know it) back then. No one can know.
The landscape would have seen many changes also.
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No. I know what you're thinking, but crater volcanoes look like the following:
Now, there are many things wrong with assuming that volcanoes like these are what all these supposed craters are:
1. Crater volcanoes always have hillsides surrounding them. Almost all craters do not:
2. There needs to be tectonic activity in the area for there to be a volcano. There isn't tectonic activity in many places where there are craters, for example, Arizona.
3. There would be noticeable things that would provide evidence for a volcano, namely things like magma tunnels, magma, if it's active, etc. Discovered craters do not have these things.
There are more, but these three are pretty solid disproofs of your assumption.
Well the earth is how many million/billion years old? We can not presume to know the earths makeup before the creation man, fell. The was no such thing as time (as we know it) back then. No one can know.
The landscape would have seen many changes also.
4.6 billion years old. We know this because we can measure how radioactive substances decay over time. It's not just some "assumption".
Now, stop trying to derail the thread because I disproved you.
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No. I know what you're thinking, but crater volcanoes look like the following:
Now, there are many things wrong with assuming that volcanoes like these are what all these supposed craters are:
1. Crater volcanoes always have hillsides surrounding them. Almost all craters do not:
2. There needs to be tectonic activity in the area for there to be a volcano. There isn't tectonic activity in many places where there are craters, for example, Arizona.
3. There would be noticeable things that would provide evidence for a volcano, namely things like magma tunnels, magma, if it's active, etc. Discovered craters do not have these things.
There are more, but these three are pretty solid disproofs of your assumption.
Well the earth is how many million/billion years old? We can not presume to know the earths makeup before the creation man, fell. The was no such thing as time (as we know it) back then. No one can know.
The landscape would have seen many changes also.
4.6 billion years old. We know this because we can measure how radioactive substances decay over time. It's not just some "assumption".
Now, stop trying to derail the thread because I disproved you.
My apologies if derailment is suspected. I shall relent.
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Does that look like a crater from a meteor, at all!?
No sir, I must say it does not. But we must never judge a book by it's cover. Looks can be deceiving.
Too many variables to be considered.
Alright, how do you explain this? Around impact sites, chunks of metal, like iron or very rarely, iridium, have been found scattered around the impacts sites in patterns that suggest a large impact. How do you have explain this?
Is this "magical dome" now somehow made of every possible element?
Take a look at that supposed meteor crater and consider what we are told about the destruction that would be caused by something as large as that, coming in at X amount of thousands of miles per hour.
Do you seriously believe it would only make a hole that big?
Meteor crater is not small. It's 1.1 kilometers (0.7 miles) across and about 170 meters (560 feet) deep. The meteor that struck the surface had a diameter of only, and came it at the speed of, wait for it...
50 meters (160 feet)
12.8 kilometers per second (28,000 miles per hour)
That's a lot of energy.
For a rock that small, the crater it made is huge. I don't know why you think that the meteor that impacted there was some huge "mile-big" asteroid, but that's not the case.
If you want to believe that we are a sitting duck for asteroids and what not, then be my guest.
It's amazing how many miss us and are headed for us and yet we never get hit by anything except a few pockets of news about silliness.
The most you need to worry about in terms of falling sky debris, are hail stones or a frozen stowaway falling from a plane or a plane itself - or helicopter. You know, things like that.
Meteors?
Sleep well and stop worrying about bullshit that the media put out to scare you with.
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No. I know what you're thinking, but crater volcanoes look like the following:
Now, there are many things wrong with assuming that volcanoes like these are what all these supposed craters are:
1. Crater volcanoes always have hillsides surrounding them. Almost all craters do not:
2. There needs to be tectonic activity in the area for there to be a volcano. There isn't tectonic activity in many places where there are craters, for example, Arizona.
3. There would be noticeable things that would provide evidence for a volcano, namely things like magma tunnels, magma, if it's active, etc. Discovered craters do not have these things.
There are more, but these three are pretty solid disproofs of your assumption.
Well the earth is how many million/billion years old? We can not presume to know the earths makeup before the creation man, fell. The was no such thing as time (as we know it) back then. No one can know.
The landscape would have seen many changes also.
4.6 billion years old. We know this because we can measure how radioactive substances decay over time. It's not just some "assumption".
Now, stop trying to derail the thread because I disproved you.
I made a thread in the science section if you want to talk about the age of the earth. I'm sorry if I'm advertising my own thread.
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Does that look like a crater from a meteor, at all!?
No sir, I must say it does not. But we must never judge a book by it's cover. Looks can be deceiving.
Too many variables to be considered.
Alright, how do you explain this? Around impact sites, chunks of metal, like iron or very rarely, iridium, have been found scattered around the impacts sites in patterns that suggest a large impact. How do you have explain this?
Is this "magical dome" now somehow made of every possible element?
Take a look at that supposed meteor crater and consider what we are told about the destruction that would be caused by something as large as that, coming in at X amount of thousands of miles per hour.
Do you seriously believe it would only make a hole that big?
Meteor crater is not small. It's 1.1 kilometers (0.7 miles) across and about 170 meters (560 feet) deep. The meteor that struck the surface had a diameter of only, and came it at the speed of, wait for it...
50 meters (160 feet)
12.8 kilometers per second (28,000 miles per hour)
That's a lot of energy.
For a rock that small, the crater it made is huge. I don't know why you think that the meteor that impacted there was some huge "mile-big" asteroid, but that's not the case.
If you want to believe that we are a sitting duck for asteroids and what not, then be my guest.
It's amazing how many miss us and are headed for us and yet we never get hit by anything except a few pockets of news about silliness.
The most you need to worry about in terms of falling sky debris, are hail stones or a frozen stowaway falling from a plane or a plane itself - or helicopter. You know, things like that.
Meteors?
Sleep well and stop worrying about bullshit that the media put out to scare you with.
Of course they exist. The reason we don't get hit by them often is because they're millions, even billions of miles apart, and their prevalence in our region of the solar system is extremely low. Why don't you do your research and learn the science behind this stuff rather than resorting to the stupid argument of "hurr it's just a media trick durr".
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No. I know what you're thinking, but crater volcanoes look like the following:
Now, there are many things wrong with assuming that volcanoes like these are what all these supposed craters are:
1. Crater volcanoes always have hillsides surrounding them. Almost all craters do not:
2. There needs to be tectonic activity in the area for there to be a volcano. There isn't tectonic activity in many places where there are craters, for example, Arizona.
3. There would be noticeable things that would provide evidence for a volcano, namely things like magma tunnels, magma, if it's active, etc. Discovered craters do not have these things.
There are more, but these three are pretty solid disproofs of your assumption.
Well the earth is how many million/billion years old? We can not presume to know the earths makeup before the creation man, fell. The was no such thing as time (as we know it) back then. No one can know.
The landscape would have seen many changes also.
4.6 billion years old. We know this because we can measure how radioactive substances decay over time. It's not just some "assumption".
Now, stop trying to derail the thread because I disproved you.
I made a thread in the science section if you want to talk about the age of the earth. I'm sorry if I'm advertising my own thread.
That's okay. Could you PM me the link? I might post there later.
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Does that look like a crater from a meteor, at all!?
No sir, I must say it does not. But we must never judge a book by it's cover. Looks can be deceiving.
Too many variables to be considered.
Alright, how do you explain this? Around impact sites, chunks of metal, like iron or very rarely, iridium, have been found scattered around the impacts sites in patterns that suggest a large impact. How do you have explain this?
Is this "magical dome" now somehow made of every possible element?
Take a look at that supposed meteor crater and consider what we are told about the destruction that would be caused by something as large as that, coming in at X amount of thousands of miles per hour.
Do you seriously believe it would only make a hole that big?
Meteor crater is not small. It's 1.1 kilometers (0.7 miles) across and about 170 meters (560 feet) deep. The meteor that struck the surface had a diameter of only, and came it at the speed of, wait for it...
50 meters (160 feet)
12.8 kilometers per second (28,000 miles per hour)
That's a lot of energy.
For a rock that small, the crater it made is huge. I don't know why you think that the meteor that impacted there was some huge "mile-big" asteroid, but that's not the case.
If you want to believe that we are a sitting duck for asteroids and what not, then be my guest.
It's amazing how many miss us and are headed for us and yet we never get hit by anything except a few pockets of news about silliness.
The most you need to worry about in terms of falling sky debris, are hail stones or a frozen stowaway falling from a plane or a plane itself - or helicopter. You know, things like that.
Meteors?
Sleep well and stop worrying about bullshit that the media put out to scare you with.
Of course they exist. The reason we don't get hit by them often is because they're millions, even billions of miles apart, and their prevalence in our region of the solar system is extremely low. Why don't you do your research and learn the science behind this stuff rather than resorting to the stupid argument of "hurr it's just a media trick durr".
Now let's not start insulting each other. This is the debate thread not AR. However I definitely agree with you. Not everything nowadays can just be a media trick, we have evidence of craters showing the impact of extraterrestrial objects.
@sceptimatic The term you're looking for is meteorite, which is a meteor that has reached earths surface. Meteors on the other hand usually burn up within Earth's atmosphere and never make it to the ground.
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Of course they exist. The reason we don't get hit by them often is because they're millions, even billions of miles apart, and their prevalence in our region of the solar system is extremely low. Why don't you do your research and learn the science behind this stuff rather than resorting to the stupid argument of "hurr it's just a media trick durr".
The reason we don't get hit by them is very simple. They are not rocks in frigging space.
All this billions and trillions of miles crap is embarrassing but people still swallow it hook line and sinker.
What a scary bunch of creatures we are, as human beings.
Put out a newsflash that a meteor was headed towards Earth and was going to hit in 3 days; you would not see too many families making the most of it all by hugging or gathering. You would see a basic breakdown of society and the mental capacity of even the most apparently intelligent people go into survival mode and looting mode, or even animalistic kill mode.
Then when the time arrives and no Earth smashing meteor hits; you can be told that a new weapon deflected it and you're now safe but those who caused mayhem will pay the price.
Me? I'd be eating normally in the home, knowing that this story would pan out just like I've said...or close to that.
Deal with reality. You're trapped in a comfortable domed prison. You don't get out and nothing gets in.
You simply decay like all bacteria and also similar bacteria to you, grow.
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Does that look like a crater from a meteor, at all!?
No sir, I must say it does not. But we must never judge a book by it's cover. Looks can be deceiving.
Too many variables to be considered.
Alright, how do you explain this? Around impact sites, chunks of metal, like iron or very rarely, iridium, have been found scattered around the impacts sites in patterns that suggest a large impact. How do you have explain this?
Is this "magical dome" now somehow made of every possible element?
Take a look at that supposed meteor crater and consider what we are told about the destruction that would be caused by something as large as that, coming in at X amount of thousands of miles per hour.
Do you seriously believe it would only make a hole that big?
Meteor crater is not small. It's 1.1 kilometers (0.7 miles) across and about 170 meters (560 feet) deep. The meteor that struck the surface had a diameter of only, and came it at the speed of, wait for it...
50 meters (160 feet)
12.8 kilometers per second (28,000 miles per hour)
That's a lot of energy.
For a rock that small, the crater it made is huge. I don't know why you think that the meteor that impacted there was some huge "mile-big" asteroid, but that's not the case.
If you want to believe that we are a sitting duck for asteroids and what not, then be my guest.
It's amazing how many miss us and are headed for us and yet we never get hit by anything except a few pockets of news about silliness.
The most you need to worry about in terms of falling sky debris, are hail stones or a frozen stowaway falling from a plane or a plane itself - or helicopter. You know, things like that.
Meteors?
Sleep well and stop worrying about bullshit that the media put out to scare you with.
Of course they exist. The reason we don't get hit by them often is because they're millions, even billions of miles apart, and their prevalence in our region of the solar system is extremely low. Why don't you do your research and learn the science behind this stuff rather than resorting to the stupid argument of "hurr it's just a media trick durr".
Now let's not start insulting each other. This is the debate thread not AR. However I definitely agree with you. Not everything nowadays can just be a media trick, we have evidence of craters showing the impact of extraterrestrial objects.
@sceptimatic The term you're looking for is meteorite, which is a meteor that has reached earths surface. Meteors on the other hand usually burn up within Earth's atmosphere and never make it to the ground.
Do you not find it odd that Felix Baumgartner can supposedly free fall from 128,000 feet and not feel a thing due to it being as close to a vacuum as to be called it and yet meteors burn up as they enter the atmosphere.
Do you not think that's odd?
Maybe not, eh?
I do.
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Does that look like a crater from a meteor, at all!?
No sir, I must say it does not. But we must never judge a book by it's cover. Looks can be deceiving.
Too many variables to be considered.
Alright, how do you explain this? Around impact sites, chunks of metal, like iron or very rarely, iridium, have been found scattered around the impacts sites in patterns that suggest a large impact. How do you have explain this?
Is this "magical dome" now somehow made of every possible element?
Take a look at that supposed meteor crater and consider what we are told about the destruction that would be caused by something as large as that, coming in at X amount of thousands of miles per hour.
Do you seriously believe it would only make a hole that big?
Meteor crater is not small. It's 1.1 kilometers (0.7 miles) across and about 170 meters (560 feet) deep. The meteor that struck the surface had a diameter of only, and came it at the speed of, wait for it...
50 meters (160 feet)
12.8 kilometers per second (28,000 miles per hour)
That's a lot of energy.
For a rock that small, the crater it made is huge. I don't know why you think that the meteor that impacted there was some huge "mile-big" asteroid, but that's not the case.
If you want to believe that we are a sitting duck for asteroids and what not, then be my guest.
It's amazing how many miss us and are headed for us and yet we never get hit by anything except a few pockets of news about silliness.
The most you need to worry about in terms of falling sky debris, are hail stones or a frozen stowaway falling from a plane or a plane itself - or helicopter. You know, things like that.
Meteors?
Sleep well and stop worrying about bullshit that the media put out to scare you with.
Of course they exist. The reason we don't get hit by them often is because they're millions, even billions of miles apart, and their prevalence in our region of the solar system is extremely low. Why don't you do your research and learn the science behind this stuff rather than resorting to the stupid argument of "hurr it's just a media trick durr".
Now let's not start insulting each other. This is the debate thread not AR. However I definitely agree with you. Not everything nowadays can just be a media trick, we have evidence of craters showing the impact of extraterrestrial objects.
@sceptimatic The term you're looking for is meteorite, which is a meteor that has reached earths surface. Meteors on the other hand usually burn up within Earth's atmosphere and never make it to the ground.
Do you not find it odd that Felix Baumgartner can supposedly free fall from 128,000 feet and not feel a thing due to it being as close to a vacuum as to be called it and yet meteors burn up as they enter the atmosphere.
Do you not think that's odd?
Maybe not, eh?
I do.
How stupid are you? Felix Baumgarter, at his fastest, was moving at about 800 miles per hour. When meteors enter the atmosphere, they're moving at speeds upwards of 30,000 miles per hour. If you did your damn research and actually knew something about what you were trying to refute then you wouldn't bother making this retarded point.
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How stupid are you? Felix Baumgarter, at his fastest, was moving at about 800 miles per hour. When meteors enter the atmosphere, they're moving at speeds upwards of 30,000 miles per hour. If you did your damn research and actually knew something about what you were trying to refute then you wouldn't bother making this retarded point.
[/quote] RESEARCH?
Humans can be made to believe anything is possible and even speeds ranging from 30,000 mph rocks to 186,000 per second light.
They do it with footballers today and many other sports. Most don't bat an eyelid when a player is haggling over a 15 million a year contract.
You see, just like silly 30,000 mph rocks and 18,000 mph orbiting so called space vehicles - we simply accept it. We accept it because we believe we know what it's all about.
You keep believing in your fantasy. I'll stick to looking for the reality.
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How stupid are you? Felix Baumgarter, at his fastest, was moving at about 800 miles per hour. When meteors enter the atmosphere, they're moving at speeds upwards of 30,000 miles per hour. If you did your damn research and actually knew something about what you were trying to refute then you wouldn't bother making this retarded point.
RESEARCH?
Humans can be made to believe anything is possible and even speeds ranging from 30,000 mph rocks to 186,000 per second light.
They do it with footballers today and many other sports. Most don't bat an eyelid when a player is haggling over a 15 million a year contract.
You see, just like silly 30,000 mph rocks and 18,000 mph orbiting so called space vehicles - we simply accept it. We accept it because we believe we know what it's all about.
You keep believing in your fantasy. I'll stick to looking for the reality.
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You might want to swap the "fantasy" and "reality" bud. You're the one believing in a fucked-over fantasy world with not one piece of factual evidence to back it up. Again, here's the issue of you being too retarded to even bother researching what you're trying to refute. When you don't take the "big step" and do that, you're just making yourself look more, and more like a fool.
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Looks like H.A.A.R.P. or Operation Fishbowl, knocked a huge chunk of the dome off. Dang haters.
Should be fair though, could be a sink hole or collapsed volcano. I like that better!
Funny, a geek with a google search engine can't even disprove this, and thinks he is a science guru.
Wake up friend. For your own good.
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Looks like H.A.A.R.P. or Operation Fishbowl, knocked a huge chunk of the dome off. Dang haters.
Should be fair though, could be a sink hole or collapsed volcano. I like that better!
Funny, a geek with a google search engine can't even disprove this, and thinks he is a science guru.
Wake up friend. For your own good.
I love your misuse of the word "geek". Absolutely hilarious.
Mhmm. I can't necessarily disprove it, but there is no way you're going to be able to factually prove this. You're also one to be calling me "not a science guru", given your microscopic knowledge of science.
I have waken up. I've waken up and realized that flat Earthers are so brain-dead that there's no way to ever get them to say anything coherent.
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My 2 cents is this...
We have brains. We have eyes. We need to use them.
Through telescopes (I know that is a bad word for FEers), we see the Moon:
(http://www.astrosurf.com/cidadao/moon_99_02_24.jpg)
Zooming in:
(http://www.astrosurf.com/cidadao/moon_99_02_23_south.jpg)
Even more:
(http://www.astrosurf.com/cidadao/moon_kies.jpg)
Since the Moon doesn't have as thick of an atmosphere as the Earth, it has MANY more impacts from meteors that don't just break up and burn up. BTW - the Moon is NOT a disk. Just look at the middle picture above, at the craters going down along the terminator from the middle to the edge. Very sphere-like. The craters become more and more ellipsoidal.(http://www.astrosurf.com/cidadao/moon.htm (http://www.astrosurf.com/cidadao/moon.htm))
If, as TheEarthIsRound. says, the meteor that created the crater was "only" some 50 meters across, we SHOULD be concerned. Space is big but eventually, the statistical odds will be that something will hit us.
If you want to put YOUR head in the sand, go ahead. But, per my OP, you need to tell EVERYONE (visiting this forum) the consequences of believing in the FE (i.e. it has no benefits, only detriments - like no space travel - no need to worry about killer asteroids, etc.). This needs to be done in the WIKI. BTW, that also goes for satellites protecting you from non-meteorites (i.e. Russia, China, etc.) - that we should just pull down our pants and let people who actually believe in RET have at us. No wonder FEers are so scared of REers. You should be.
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Looks like H.A.A.R.P. or Operation Fishbowl, knocked a huge chunk of the dome off. Dang haters.
Should be fair though, could be a sink hole or collapsed volcano. I like that better!
Funny, a geek with a google search engine can't even disprove this, and thinks he is a science guru.
Wake up friend. For your own good.
We have woken up alright. Woken up and seen the truth that the earth is round and no matter how many bogus hypotheses you come up with they will never make sense.
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My 2 cents is this...
We have brains. We have eyes. We need to use them.
Through telescopes (I know that is a bad word for FEers), we see the Moon:
(http://www.astrosurf.com/cidadao/moon_99_02_24.jpg)
Zooming in:
(http://www.astrosurf.com/cidadao/moon_99_02_23_south.jpg)
Even more:
(http://www.astrosurf.com/cidadao/moon_kies.jpg)
Since the Moon doesn't have as thick of an atmosphere as the Earth, it has MANY more impacts from meteors that don't just break up and burn up. BTW - the Moon is NOT a disk. Just look at the middle picture above, at the craters going down along the terminator from the middle to the edge. Very sphere-like. The craters become more and more ellipsoidal.(http://www.astrosurf.com/cidadao/moon.htm (http://www.astrosurf.com/cidadao/moon.htm))
If, as TheEarthIsRound. says, the meteor that created the crater was "only" some 50 meters across, we SHOULD be concerned. Space is big but eventually, the statistical odds will be that something will hit us.
If you want to put YOUR head in the sand, go ahead. But, per my OP, you need to tell EVERYONE (visiting this forum) the consequences of believing in the FE (i.e. it has no benefits, only detriments - like no space travel - no need to worry about killer asteroids, etc.). This needs to be done in the WIKI. BTW, that also goes for satellites protecting you from non-meteorites (i.e. Russia, China, etc.) - that we should just pull down our pants and let people who actually believe in RET have at us. No wonder FEers are so scared of REers. You should be.
It sounds like you're the one that's frenzied and panicking. Calm down.
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My 2 cents is this...
We have brains. We have eyes. We need to use them.
Through telescopes (I know that is a bad word for FEers), we see the Moon:
(http://www.astrosurf.com/cidadao/moon_99_02_24.jpg)
Zooming in:
(http://www.astrosurf.com/cidadao/moon_99_02_23_south.jpg)
Even more:
(http://www.astrosurf.com/cidadao/moon_kies.jpg)
Since the Moon doesn't have as thick of an atmosphere as the Earth, it has MANY more impacts from meteors that don't just break up and burn up. BTW - the Moon is NOT a disk. Just look at the middle picture above, at the craters going down along the terminator from the middle to the edge. Very sphere-like. The craters become more and more ellipsoidal.(http://www.astrosurf.com/cidadao/moon.htm (http://www.astrosurf.com/cidadao/moon.htm))
If, as TheEarthIsRound. says, the meteor that created the crater was "only" some 50 meters across, we SHOULD be concerned. Space is big but eventually, the statistical odds will be that something will hit us.
If you want to put YOUR head in the sand, go ahead. But, per my OP, you need to tell EVERYONE (visiting this forum) the consequences of believing in the FE (i.e. it has no benefits, only detriments - like no space travel - no need to worry about killer asteroids, etc.). This needs to be done in the WIKI. BTW, that also goes for satellites protecting you from non-meteorites (i.e. Russia, China, etc.) - that we should just pull down our pants and let people who actually believe in RET have at us. No wonder FEers are so scared of REers. You should be.
It sounds like you're the one that's frenzied and panicking. Calm down.
Really? Wow, looks like you're ignoring blatant proof of the existence of asteroids, and you're trying to derail the thread because we've disproved you. Calm down and accept defeat.
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My 2 cents is this...
We have brains. We have eyes. We need to use them.
Through telescopes (I know that is a bad word for FEers), we see the Moon:
(http://www.astrosurf.com/cidadao/moon_99_02_24.jpg)
Zooming in:
(http://www.astrosurf.com/cidadao/moon_99_02_23_south.jpg)
Even more:
(http://www.astrosurf.com/cidadao/moon_kies.jpg)
Since the Moon doesn't have as thick of an atmosphere as the Earth, it has MANY more impacts from meteors that don't just break up and burn up. BTW - the Moon is NOT a disk. Just look at the middle picture above, at the craters going down along the terminator from the middle to the edge. Very sphere-like. The craters become more and more ellipsoidal.(http://www.astrosurf.com/cidadao/moon.htm (http://www.astrosurf.com/cidadao/moon.htm))
If, as TheEarthIsRound. says, the meteor that created the crater was "only" some 50 meters across, we SHOULD be concerned. Space is big but eventually, the statistical odds will be that something will hit us.
If you want to put YOUR head in the sand, go ahead. But, per my OP, you need to tell EVERYONE (visiting this forum) the consequences of believing in the FE (i.e. it has no benefits, only detriments - like no space travel - no need to worry about killer asteroids, etc.). This needs to be done in the WIKI. BTW, that also goes for satellites protecting you from non-meteorites (i.e. Russia, China, etc.) - that we should just pull down our pants and let people who actually believe in RET have at us. No wonder FEers are so scared of REers. You should be.
It sounds like you're the one that's frenzied and panicking. Calm down.
Just tell us what caused all the craters on the moon and we will leave you alone.
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Just tell us what caused all the craters on the moon and we will leave you alone.
There is no real moon. What you see is a reflection of the sun. Oh and I decide when to talk to you people and I can decide when to allow you or not to chat with me, so mentioning leaving me alone is not your call.
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Since FE models do not believe in outer space,
Well...there's your problem.
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Just tell us what caused all the craters on the moon and we will leave you alone.
There is no real moon. What you see is a reflection of the sun. Oh and I decide when to talk to you people and I can decide when to allow you or not to chat with me, so mentioning leaving me alone is not your call.
You're stupider than I thought.
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Just tell us what caused all the craters on the moon and we will leave you alone.
There is no real moon. What you see is a reflection of the sun. Oh and I decide when to talk to you people and I can decide when to allow you or not to chat with me, so mentioning leaving me alone is not your call.
Soooooooo a bright ball of gas has a giant rock with craters as its reflection?
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Just tell us what caused all the craters on the moon and we will leave you alone.
There is no real moon. What you see is a reflection of the sun. Oh and I decide when to talk to you people and I can decide when to allow you or not to chat with me, so mentioning leaving me alone is not your call.
You're stupider than I thought.
What you think of me is irrelevant. Understand this and it will aid in your not adding extra compression of your leg joints due to regular irritated tantrum stamping of your feet in frustration at not being able to intimidate anyone into thinking like the naive YOU.
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I was just thinking, why have we not seen, or heard of even, an impact on the moon? I do recall NASA saying they crashed a craft into the moon, and perhaps I may have heard of an impact, but, I am not certain. You would think in all our years on this earth, an impact would have been seen, thinking about it, in some 21,000 + nights i have been around i have seen nothing like that. I did a search and have seen a video of a light appearing on the moon. I could not be certain what it was (Other than interesting). (I saw no object hit it).
Point being in those pics, (The bottom one) It looks like drifts have filled in some of the craters. Could it be that this is the way the moon looked when it was formed? I totally discount the possibility of it being an artificial structure. (Though I admit, perhaps I shouldn't)
I don't know how things were billions of years ago, so i can only try to fit in this piece of the puzzle.
I must say I do love looking at the moon, especially when it is full and wondering. (I know, I probably need another hobby!) ;)
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I was just thinking, why have we not seen, or heard of even, an impact on the moon? I do recall NASA saying they crashed a craft into the moon, and perhaps I may have heard of an impact, but, I am not certain. You would think in all our years on this earth, an impact would have been seen, thinking about it, in some 21,000 + nights i have been around i have seen nothing like that. I did a search and have seen a video of a light appearing on the moon. I could not be certain what it was (Other than interesting). (I saw no object hit it).
Point being in those pics, (The bottom one) It looks like drifts have filled in some of the craters. Could it be that this is the way the moon looked when it was formed? I totally discount the possibility of it being an artificial structure. (Though I admit, perhaps I shouldn't)
I don't know how things were billions of years ago, so i can only try to fit in this piece of the puzzle.
I must say I do love looking at the moon, especially when it is full and wondering. (I know, I probably need another hobby!) ;)
Dear friend your hobby is a good one for scientific answers! In the recent years NASA has intentionally crashed many of our ships into the moon once they have completed their mission. It is very easy to find an article describing one such crash landing.
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/apr/18/nasa-moon-ladee-crash-far-side-mission (http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/apr/18/nasa-moon-ladee-crash-far-side-mission)
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Dear friend your hobby is a good one for scientific answers! In the recent years NASA has intentionally crashed many of our ships into the moon once they have completed their mission. It is very easy to find an article describing one such crash landing.
http:
(http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/apr/18/nasa-moon-ladee-crash-far-side-mission)
Thank you my friend!
I see the error of my ways!
Some may think science is what i desire. I say nay. Science, that shows us pictures of a perfect blue marble, they say is earth, (With copy and pasted clouds). Then tell us, earth is an oblate spheroid? Better yet, Neil deGrasse Tyson now says the earth is pear shaped! Science! To believe science, i fear, would be religious zealotry.
With the impact thing, they took care of deniability in this case.
Researchers believe Ladee likely vaporized when it hit because of its extreme orbiting speed of 3,600 mph, possibly smacking into a mountain or side of a crater. No debris would have been left behind.
Fascinating, it hit a mountain. I wonder if an asteroid impact caused a ground swell afterwards, that created that mountain? Or perhaps the moon was created that way.
Anyway the NASA impact I was thinking of was the one where they said the "Moon, rang like a bell" For several hours, if i recall. Implying the moon was hollow.
I beseech you, see science for what it is, a false religion. I want truth.
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If space travel is impossible, why are countries trying to get into outer space?
There was just the USA and Russia, then Europe, China, etc. You are going to have to convince the Russians, Europeans, Chinese (1 billion or so) the Earth is Flat - at the same time. They are going to have to stop launching satellites - for whatever purpose. Good luck.
Furthermore, since caution is being wrecklessly tossed to the wind, this makes me wonder if the FEers here are not Russian or Chinese spies trying to deceive the world into lowering their guard. Who are you guys, really?
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Furthermore, since caution is being wrecklessly tossed to the wind, this makes me wonder if the FEers here are not Russian or Chinese spies trying to deceive the world into lowering their guard. Who are you guys, really?
If i were to tell you who i am here to represent, you would accuse me of derailing the thread to sway it toward
a religious slant.
But since you asked, I am one who is in the family of the Creator. A voice of one crying in the wilderness.
Thanks for that opportunity!
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I also find it ironic or interesting that you rail about the NASA conspiracy. NASA wants people to believe we went to the Moon and such but makes so many tampered-with pictures of the Moon and Mars. They want people in 2 camps. Those blindly believing and those totally disbelieving we went there. If they want to protect colonies on the Moon and Mars, wouldn't they be doing exactly what they are doing?
So, how is that any different from FEers and their models? No outer space. Don't even try. FEers would just be NASA shills trying to get people not to believe we went to the Moon and Mars and colonized it as well.
Same goes for Antarctica and the S.Pole. FEers rail about not being able to get there as a conspiracy, then turn around and set a "wall" and dome there so no one tries to get there. FEers would just be Antarctica shills - you can't go there - don't even try. What are you really trying to protect down there?
If anything, rather than "the truth", the FE fantasy/model is a part of these conspiracies, just from a different angle. That is why there is such an effort to push the FE fantasy.
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If anything, rather than "the truth", the FE fantasy/model is a part of these conspiracies, just from a different angle. That is why there is such an effort to push the FE fantasy.
I hold that even this possibility must be carefully considered. VERY carefully. I truly wish i could fully understand why so much secrecy is held. Is it really all national security? Lets all come clean and be one family and work it out TOGETHER. Many here are smarter than i. I would value their input.
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So the short answer is no, there is nothing to fear.
Correct.
Some idiot politician may actually believe in them.
Is that what "you" fear?
Thanks for disclosing that tidbit! Keep up the good work!
Note to handlers: Reign in your shills. They reveal way too much.
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So the short answer is no, there is nothing to fear.
Correct.
Some idiot politician may actually believe in them.
Is that what "you" fear?
Thanks for disclosing that tidbit! Keep up the good work!
Note to handlers: Reign in your shills. They reveal way too much.
Incorrect.