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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: XaeXae on September 10, 2015, 02:46:10 PM
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How could you explain the observations of the Foucault pendulum slowly rotating with Earth's rotation, if you are on a flat non-rotating Earth ?
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How does that pendulum continuously sway?
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It doesn't need to swing continuously. An unpowered pendulum can swing for 15-20 minutes or more, which is enough time to see measurable deflection.
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How long does an unpowered pendulum swing, markjo?
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A high-quality unpowered pendulum could swing for a few hours (the first one, at the Paris Panthéon, could swing for 6 hours). In only 5 minutes, the effect is already observable.
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A frictionless string with a mass in a near perfect vacuum will swing for a very long time. Conservation of energy will let it swing untill every kalorie is transfered to the environment. Put it on the north pole and I bet it will swing continously and rotate 360 degree in 24 hours. Put it on the south pole and I bet it would rotate 360 degree the other way in 24h
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This experiment was done by NTNU Norwegian Technology and Natural science Univercity. And I'd like to see how this works with the so called flat earth model.
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How long does an unpowered pendulum swing, markjo?
Theoretically, in a vacuum and with no friction, for ever. The heavier the pendulum is, the harder it is for it to stop due to the friction from the string and the air resistance, so a very heavy pendulum, like the ones used for demonstration, can run for a very, very long time.
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Flatguys c'mon this is a very interesting phenomenon, you can't just ignore it, will someone explain it with flat earth reason please?
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Look, there is ALWAYS a Foucault Pendulum near where you live : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Foucault_pendulums
So you can't contest by saying "this bullsh*t never existed" or "it's a conspiracy and the pictures are fake", it exists. ;)
And in the South Hemisphere, they don't rotate the same way (isn't it the perfect proof of Coriolis effect ?)
So you flatearthers would have to explain it, and not only explaining all of this is fake ;)
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Look, there is ALWAYS a Foucault Pendulum near where you live : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Foucault_pendulums
So you can't contest by saying "this bullsh*t never existed" or "it's a conspiracy and the pictures are fake", it exists. ;)
And in the South Hemisphere, they don't rotate the same way (isn't it the perfect proof of Coriolis effect ?)
So you flatearthers would have to explain it, and not only explaining all of this is fake ;)
Just a correction, this has nothing to do with the coriolis effect.
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Look, there is ALWAYS a Foucault Pendulum near where you live : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Foucault_pendulums
So you can't contest by saying "this bullsh*t never existed" or "it's a conspiracy and the pictures are fake", it exists. ;)
And in the South Hemisphere, they don't rotate the same way (isn't it the perfect proof of Coriolis effect ?)
So you flatearthers would have to explain it, and not only explaining all of this is fake ;)
Just a correction, this has nothing to do with the coriolis effect.
Yes, two different phenomenon but caused by the same thing, which is earth's shape and rotation.
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Look, there is ALWAYS a Foucault Pendulum near where you live : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Foucault_pendulums
So you can't contest by saying "this bullsh*t never existed" or "it's a conspiracy and the pictures are fake", it exists. ;)
And in the South Hemisphere, they don't rotate the same way (isn't it the perfect proof of Coriolis effect ?)
So you flatearthers would have to explain it, and not only explaining all of this is fake ;)
Just a correction, this has nothing to do with the coriolis effect.
Both yes and no. It gives the same observational phenomenon but the reasons are different, except for one reason; the spin of the earth.
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Look, there is ALWAYS a Foucault Pendulum near where you live : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Foucault_pendulums
So you can't contest by saying "this bullsh*t never existed" or "it's a conspiracy and the pictures are fake", it exists. ;)
And in the South Hemisphere, they don't rotate the same way (isn't it the perfect proof of Coriolis effect ?)
So you flatearthers would have to explain it, and not only explaining all of this is fake ;)
Just a correction, this has nothing to do with the coriolis effect.
Both yes and no. It gives the same observational phenomenon but the reasons are different, except for one reason; the spin of the earth.
It's not really the same observational phenomenon. One deflects objects changing latitude and the other "deflects" pendulums.
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Look, there is ALWAYS a Foucault Pendulum near where you live : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Foucault_pendulums
So you can't contest by saying "this bullsh*t never existed" or "it's a conspiracy and the pictures are fake", it exists. ;)
And in the South Hemisphere, they don't rotate the same way (isn't it the perfect proof of Coriolis effect ?)
So you flatearthers would have to explain it, and not only explaining all of this is fake ;)
Just a correction, this has nothing to do with the coriolis effect.
Both yes and no. It gives the same observational phenomenon but the reasons are different, except for one reason; the spin of the earth.
It's not really the same observational phenomenon. One deflects objects changing latitude and the other "deflects" pendulums.
Yeah, not reaally the same phenomenon, but kinda similar. No direct connection between them in any case.
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I suppose if you went with a model of a flat Earth where the flat "plate" of the Earth was turning like a record on a record player, with one rotation every 24 hours, you might get some similar effect with the pendulum floor moving under the pendulum bob...but it wouldn't be the same as what we'd see on a rotating sphere.
Of course, most Flat Earthers believe in a fixed Earth. But a flat plate Earth rotating like a record on a record player, turning once every 24 hours while the Sun and Moon where (at least somewhat) stationary would be indistinguishable from a fixed flay Earth with the Sun, Moon, and stars rotating above it. (And if you put the stars on a *sphere* as opposed to a dome, and that sphere also turned, you could explain the differences in the constellations that we see in the Summer as opposed to the Winter. (Though people like Jeranism will claim that the constellations *don't* change throughout the year, LOL.)
And as for Foucault's Pendulum, the FE folks will just claim that the pendulum is "rigged", which would add people who work at or volunteer at planetariums (like myself) in on the "conspiracy"..
But there is nothing stopping Flat Earther's from building their own Foucault's Pendulum, and testing the results for themselves...
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Even in a perfect vacuum with a friction-free bearing at the top of the string/wire, would'nt the the gravitational force of the earth eventually bring the pendulum to a halt, so that the mass of the pendulum is pointing to the center of the earths gravitational mass?
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Even in a perfect vacuum with a friction-free bearing at the top of the string/wire, would'nt the the gravitational force of the earth eventually bring the pendulum to a halt, so that the mass of the pendulum is pointing to the center of the earths gravitational mass?
I would have *thought* that eventually simply the pull of gravity would eventually slow it down or stop it - but from what I could find out online, no, that would not be the case, in a perfect vacuum, with a perfectly friction-less pivot, the pendulum would happily go on swinging forever, because the kinetic energy on the upswing would all be converted into gravitational potential energy at the top of the swing, and then back into kinetic energy on the down-swing.
However, if you tried to use this as a power source, even by just making the pendulum magnetic and passing it through a magnetic field, to generate a current, the pendulum would eventually slow down and finally stop, because some of the energy is being converted into work, and every time it passes through the magnetic field, it would be slowed down a little tiny bit.
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Thanks for explaining and clearing that up for me.
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How could you explain the observations of the Foucault pendulum slowly rotating with Earth's rotation, if you are on a flat non-rotating Earth ?
The trick in the whole con job , is the false hood promoted theory, that a pendulum swings back & forth in a straight constant line. It dosen't.
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How could you explain the observations of the Foucault pendulum slowly rotating with Earth's rotation, if you are on a flat non-rotating Earth ?
The trick in the whole con job , is the false hood promoted theory, that a pendulum swings back & forth in a straight constant line. It dosen't.
Can you provide any evidence that a pendulum would not swing straight forth and back if no other forces was acting upon it?
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Take a poll stand it up vertical balanced. Now lean it over a little . Is it going to stay balanced or topple over.
Their is your answer. A pendulum does not swing back & forth in a straight line . That the true demonstrated scientific finding of foucault pendulum . Not the earth rotating under it.
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Here we go again. It took 43 pages of total snot for Charlie to shut up last time.
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Take a poll stand it up vertical balanced. Now lean it over a little . Is it going to stay balanced or topple over.
Their is your answer. A pendulum does not swing back & forth in a straight line . That the true demonstrated scientific finding of foucault pendulum . Not the earth rotating under it.
A poll is not a physical object you can stand up, as far as I know. So I have no idea what you're talking about.
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I think he means "pole" - still doesn't make any sense however.
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I think he means "pole" - still doesn't make any sense however.
Ahh, true.
A pole falls straight in the direction it falls as long as no other forces affect it. So that only disproved your point.
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I think he means "pole" - still doesn't make any sense however.
Ahh, true.
A pole falls straight in the direction it falls as long as no other forces affect it. So that only disproved your point.
What it demonstrates is centre of gravity dictates. A stationery plumb bob hangs to its centre of gravity. If you move it off its centre , then continues new centres of gravity are established in relationship to the bob & line supporting it whilst its in motion . This motion & shifts in centre establishes a resistance due to fall & directional momentum in the bob & line, which then transfers the created torque back to the pivot point. A pendulum never swings back & forth in a straight line .
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I think he means "pole" - still doesn't make any sense however.
Ahh, true.
A pole falls straight in the direction it falls as long as no other forces affect it. So that only disproved your point.
What it demonstrates is centre of gravity dictates. A stationery plumb bob hangs to its centre of gravity. If you move it off its centre , then continues new centres of gravity are established in relationship to the bob & line supporting it whilst its in motion . This motion & shifts in centre establishes a resistance due to fall & directional momentum in the bob & line, which then transfers the created torque back to the pivot point. A pendulum never swings back & forth in a straight line .
Since the pole falls straight then the center of gravity (and mass) has to be stationary, otherwise it would change it's direction. And those centers don't just change like that at random. And it still falls straight, which shows that as long as no other forces are introduced then things will continue on straight. Such as pendulums.
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Is this one example the globe people base the Earth spinning in space on, a pendulum swinging? When in fact the Earth could be stationary and the sun and the moon and the stars, could all be orbiting the Earth. I think you guys should drop this notion and use something else to show the Earth is spinning in space. Maybe a real picture of the Earth spinning taken from one of your satellites. Maybe they should have taken a real video when they went to the moon. I wonder why they didn't? They had real video cameras back then.
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Is this one example the globe people base the Earth spinning in space on, a pendulum swinging? When in fact the Earth could be stationary and the sun and the moon and the stars, could all be orbiting the Earth. I think you guys should drop this notion and use something else to show the Earth is spinning in space. Maybe a real picture of the Earth spinning taken from one of your satellites. Maybe they should have taken a real video when they went to the moon. I wonder why they didn't? They had real video cameras back then.
The pendulum works fine and an image wouldn't since in the other thread you are claiming the picture of the earth from a satellite shows a flat earth.
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Is this one example the globe people base the Earth spinning in space on, a pendulum swinging? When in fact the Earth could be stationary and the sun and the moon and the stars, could all be orbiting the Earth. I think you guys should drop this notion and use something else to show the Earth is spinning in space. Maybe a real picture of the Earth spinning taken from one of your satellites. Maybe they should have taken a real video when they went to the moon. I wonder why they didn't? They had real video cameras back then.
The pendulum works fine and an image wouldn't since in the other thread you are claiming the picture of the earth from a satellite shows a flat earth.
I said a video, not an image. You're probably right though, The Earth is certainly not a spinning ball in space. The sooner you realize that, the better off you're be.
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All these threads on Foucault Pendulum's and zero evidence presented against them.
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All these threads on Foucault Pendulum's and zero evidence presented against them.
I'd be happy to see if anyone could provide :)
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All these threads on Foucault Pendulum's and zero evidence presented against them.
I'd be happy to see if anyone could provide :)
Maybe i'm all wrong about this pendulum thing. My understanding is:
inside a building hangs a chain of some sort with a plumb-bob attached to the end of the chain. On the floor is a round platter with pegs positioned on the outside edge of the platter and they will fall down when hit. The plumb-bob hangs down so it is centered in to the platter and it is also on a swivel so it can rotate. The plumb-bob is also able to swing back and forth the entire distance of the diameter of the platter. Now, as the Earth rotates 360 degrees, the swing of the plumb-bob will knock down a peg ever so often until it has swung around the 360 degree of the platter and 24 hours has passed. At this point all the little pegs will be knocked down and one complete day has ended. Thus proving the Earth is spinning. Do I pretty much have it correct?
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All these threads on Foucault Pendulum's and zero evidence presented against them.
I'd be happy to see if anyone could provide :)
Maybe i'm all wrong about this pendulum thing. My understanding is:
inside a building hangs a chain of some sort with a plumb-bob attached to the end of the chain. On the floor is a round platter with pegs positioned on the outside edge of the platter and they will fall down when hit. The plumb-bob hangs down so it is centered in to the platter and it is also on a swivel so it can rotate. The plumb-bob is also able to swing back and forth the entire distance of the diameter of the platter. Now, as the Earth rotates 360 degrees, the swing of the plumb-bob will knock down a peg ever so often until it has swung around the 360 degree of the platter and 24 hours has passed. At this point all the little pegs will be knocked down and one complete day has ended. Thus proving the Earth is spinning. Do I pretty much have it correct?
No, try again.
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Is this one example the globe people base the Earth spinning in space on, a pendulum swinging? When in fact the Earth could be stationary and the sun and the moon and the stars, could all be orbiting the Earth. I think you guys should drop this notion and use something else to show the Earth is spinning in space. Maybe a real picture of the Earth spinning taken from one of your satellites. Maybe they should have taken a real video when they went to the moon. I wonder why they didn't? They had real video cameras back then.
We've got a video: (http://) ;)
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I think he means "pole" - still doesn't make any sense however.
Ahh, true.
A pole falls straight in the direction it falls as long as no other forces affect it. So that only disproved your point.
What it demonstrates is centre of gravity dictates. A stationery plumb bob hangs to its centre of gravity. If you move it off its centre , then continues new centres of gravity are established in relationship to the bob & line supporting it whilst its in motion . This motion & shifts in centre establishes a resistance due to fall & directional momentum in the bob & line, which then transfers the created torque back to the pivot point. A pendulum never swings back & forth in a straight line .
Since the pole falls straight then the center of gravity (and mass) has to be stationary, otherwise it would change it's direction. And those centers don't just change like that at random. And it still falls straight, which shows that as long as no other forces are introduced then things will continue on straight. Such as pendulums.
Rubbish, if you remove the friction at the bottom of the pole . Then the pole just dosen't topple over, the bottom of the pole slides to balance its self out to the poles centre to gravity. To claim there is no torque being created at the pivot point , when a bob is set in motion .is just a flat out lie.
Take a plumb bob , hold the line with your thumb & index finger.now set the bob in motion. Then tell me if you feel a force , at where your holding the line . That force you feel .some of which gets converted to torque. You cant have a change in direction of force with out creating torque at the pivot point , in the real world. Fantasy land well thats a differant story .
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Let add some truth, the pendulum only travels in a straight line to its direction of travel. Every time its direction is reversed it creates torque at the pivot point & its line of direction changes & it keeps that straight line of direction. Till its direction is reversed, torque again & so on &so on till it eventually hangs stationery.
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If that were true they wouldn't be latitude dependent. But since they are, the earth rotates.
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I think he means "pole" - still doesn't make any sense however.
Ahh, true.
A pole falls straight in the direction it falls as long as no other forces affect it. So that only disproved your point.
What it demonstrates is centre of gravity dictates. A stationery plumb bob hangs to its centre of gravity. If you move it off its centre , then continues new centres of gravity are established in relationship to the bob & line supporting it whilst its in motion . This motion & shifts in centre establishes a resistance due to fall & directional momentum in the bob & line, which then transfers the created torque back to the pivot point. A pendulum never swings back & forth in a straight line .
Since the pole falls straight then the center of gravity (and mass) has to be stationary, otherwise it would change it's direction. And those centers don't just change like that at random. And it still falls straight, which shows that as long as no other forces are introduced then things will continue on straight. Such as pendulums.
Rubbish, if you remove the friction at the bottom of the pole . Then the pole just dosen't topple over, the bottom of the pole slides to balance its self out to the poles centre to gravity. To claim there is no torque being created at the pivot point , when a bob is set in motion .is just a flat out lie.
Take a plumb bob , hold the line with your thumb & index finger.now set the bob in motion. Then tell me if you feel a force , at where your holding the line . That force you feel .some of which gets converted to torque. You cant have a change in direction of force with out creating torque at the pivot point , in the real world. Fantasy land well thats a differant story .
Bold text. Ohh, so NOW you say it? ::)
The pole will still fall straight. It won't turn to any side. The torque acts on the exact same 2D plane as gravity. It doesn't change direction along a third axis, which Foucaults pendulum does. And it is in no way comparable to a pendulum anyways. The pivot doesn't experience the same forces as the bottom of a pole standing on a surface falling over. Of course it get's some torque, but again it acts in the same 2D plane that the pendulum swings in, there is no third axis that it'll move in.
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If that were true they wouldn't be latitude dependent. But since they are, the earth rotates.
Latitude dependent, crap it is . Only staged!!! to appear so.
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If that were true they wouldn't be latitude dependent. But since they are, the earth rotates.
Latitude dependent, crap it is . Only staged!!! to appear so.
Then set one up yourself and prove us wrong.
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Its all done with torque. The weather, ocean currents, bullets, laser gyroscopes, pendulums and drinking long necks while typing crap.
Hello Charlie.
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If that were true they wouldn't be latitude dependent. But since they are, the earth rotates.
Latitude dependent, crap it is . Only staged!!! to appear so.
Then set one up yourself and prove us wrong.
I've provide its a crock of shit back in the 80s. With many an experiment. I have proved to myself by testing that it generates torque at the pivot point .
Its not up to me to cure you of your gulliblity. What I would say , is rather then placing your trust in a party trick . Promoted by inslavers . You start preparing for the greatest depression thats comming . Ive already had my pre training in lifes tuffin the phuck up. & I cant hear & can hardly see .
But i'm in good steed to tolerate the hard road ahead. Will you be ?
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If that were true they wouldn't be latitude dependent. But since they are, the earth rotates.
Latitude dependent, crap it is . Only staged!!! to appear so.
Then set one up yourself and prove us wrong.
I've provide its a crock of shit back in the 80s. With many an experiment. I have proved to myself by testing that it generates torque at the pivot point .
Its not up to me to cure you of your gulliblity. What I would say , is rather then placing your trust in a party trick . Promoted by inslavers . You start preparing for the greatest depression thats comming . Ive already had my pre training in lifes tuffin the phuck up. & I cant hear & can hardly see .
But i'm in good steed to tolerate the hard road ahead. Will you be ?
What torque does it create? Can you make a diagram and provide mathematical equations please?
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If that were true they wouldn't be latitude dependent. But since they are, the earth rotates.
Latitude dependent, crap it is . Only staged!!! to appear so.
Then set one up yourself and prove us wrong.
I've provide its a crock of shit back in the 80s. With many an experiment. I have proved to myself by testing that it generates torque at the pivot point .
Its not up to me to cure you of your gulliblity. What I would say , is rather then placing your trust in a party trick . Promoted by inslavers . You start preparing for the greatest depression thats comming . Ive already had my pre training in lifes tuffin the phuck up. & I cant hear & can hardly see .
But i'm in good steed to tolerate the hard road ahead. Will you be ?
What torque does it create? Can you make a diagram and provide mathematical equations please?
You dont need me to provide you any mathematical equations. You only have to use their's. The torque is replaced with the rotating earth nonsence in the hypothesis. Read their own explanation for useing a long line & a very heavy bob.why ? to negate elliptical orbit being visually noticed . If you set a swinging bob in a deliberately obvious elliptical motion . It will form a synchronized pattern in its swing . That would not occur with out torque at the pivot point , to maintain the timing of rottation of the pattern.
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If that were true they wouldn't be latitude dependent. But since they are, the earth rotates.
Latitude dependent, crap it is . Only staged!!! to appear so.
Then set one up yourself and prove us wrong.
I've provide its a crock of shit back in the 80s. With many an experiment. I have proved to myself by testing that it generates torque at the pivot point .
Its not up to me to cure you of your gulliblity. What I would say , is rather then placing your trust in a party trick . Promoted by inslavers . You start preparing for the greatest depression thats comming . Ive already had my pre training in lifes tuffin the phuck up. & I cant hear & can hardly see .
But i'm in good steed to tolerate the hard road ahead. Will you be ?
What torque does it create? Can you make a diagram and provide mathematical equations please?
You dont need me to provide you any mathematical equations. You only have to use their's. The torque is replaced with the rotating earth nonsence in the hypothesis. Read their own explanation for useing a long line & a very heavy bob.why ? to negate elliptical orbit being visually noticed . If you set a swinging bob in a deliberately obvious elliptical motion . It will form a synchronized pattern in its swing . That would not occur with out torque at the pivot point , to maintain the timing of rottation of the pattern.
I do need you to provide mathematical equations. Otherwise I'll just assume you're lying. You can't just replace a force with whatever you want.
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I can't see how REers can believe this Foucault Pendulum thing proves the Earth is spinning 1000 mph. Yet they also believe the Earth orbits the sun at 67,000 mph and it whirls around the center of our galaxy at 490,000 mph and yet with all this whirling and moving that pendulum keeps on swinging back and forth keeping perfect timing that proves to them that it is the real deal and is a perfect representation of the Earth spinning 1000 mph. In my head, I think that the pendulum would be swinging every which way because of the Earth's movement around the universe. I guess it is just me though.
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I can't see how REers can believe this Foucault Pendulum thing proves the Earth is spinning 1000 mph. Yet they also believe the Earth orbits the sun at 67,000 mph and it whirls around the center of our galaxy at 490,000 mph and yet with all this whirling and moving that pendulum keeps on swinging back and forth keeping perfect timing that proves to them that it is the real deal and is a perfect representation of the Earth spinning 1000 mph. In my head, I think that the pendulum would be swinging every which way because of the Earth's movement around the universe. I guess it is just me though.
Earth's rotation is the cause for the greatest change in rotation in space (space as in room) of objects on earth. It has nothing to do with accelerations or speed. And the only thing it proves is that earth is rotating. The reason the pendulum rotates, for you who have not realised it yet, is the pendulums rotation in space (space as in room) relative to earth. As the pendulum swings back and forth it swings along a certain 2-dimensional plane. As earth rotates it applies a rotating force on every object (that is in contact with the ground) on it that keeps those objects rotation stable relative to earth. The pivot of the pendulum is also subjected to this force, as is the weight, and the whole pendulum rotates with earth. BUT this force does not accelerate the pendulum in any direction, as the forces rotating the pendulum balance each other out. This means that the pendulum keeps it's motion. It's because there is NO force that changes it's motion, so it keeps it's motion along the same 2-dimensional plane.
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I can't see how REers can believe this Foucault Pendulum thing proves the Earth is spinning 1000 mph. Yet they also believe the Earth orbits the sun at 67,000 mph and it whirls around the center of our galaxy at 490,000 mph and yet with all this whirling and moving that pendulum keeps on swinging back and forth keeping perfect timing that proves to them that it is the real deal and is a perfect representation of the Earth spinning 1000 mph. In my head, I think that the pendulum would be swinging every which way because of the Earth's movement around the universe. I guess it is just me though.
Earth's rotation is the cause for the greatest change in rotation in space (space as in room) of objects on earth. It has nothing to do with accelerations or speed. And the only thing it proves is that earth is rotating. The reason the pendulum rotates, for you who have not realised it yet, is the pendulums rotation in space (space as in room) relative to earth. As the pendulum swings back and forth it swings along a certain 2-dimensional plane. As earth rotates it applies a rotating force on every object (that is in contact with the ground) on it that keeps those objects rotation stable relative to earth. The pivot of the pendulum is also subjected to this force, as is the weight, and the whole pendulum rotates with earth. BUT this force does not accelerate the pendulum in any direction, as the forces rotating the pendulum balance each other out. This means that the pendulum keeps it's motion. It's because there is NO force that changes it's motion, so it keeps it's motion along the same 2-dimensional plane.
Okay master, if you want to believe this contraption proves the Earth spins so be it. I just tried to reason some sense in you. You are simply a lost cause.
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I can't see how REers can believe this Foucault Pendulum thing proves the Earth is spinning 1000 mph. Yet they also believe the Earth orbits the sun at 67,000 mph and it whirls around the center of our galaxy at 490,000 mph and yet with all this whirling and moving that pendulum keeps on swinging back and forth keeping perfect timing that proves to them that it is the real deal and is a perfect representation of the Earth spinning 1000 mph. In my head, I think that the pendulum would be swinging every which way because of the Earth's movement around the universe. I guess it is just me though.
Earth's rotation is the cause for the greatest change in rotation in space (space as in room) of objects on earth. It has nothing to do with accelerations or speed. And the only thing it proves is that earth is rotating. The reason the pendulum rotates, for you who have not realised it yet, is the pendulums rotation in space (space as in room) relative to earth. As the pendulum swings back and forth it swings along a certain 2-dimensional plane. As earth rotates it applies a rotating force on every object (that is in contact with the ground) on it that keeps those objects rotation stable relative to earth. The pivot of the pendulum is also subjected to this force, as is the weight, and the whole pendulum rotates with earth. BUT this force does not accelerate the pendulum in any direction, as the forces rotating the pendulum balance each other out. This means that the pendulum keeps it's motion. It's because there is NO force that changes it's motion, so it keeps it's motion along the same 2-dimensional plane.
Okay master, if you want to believe this contraption proves the Earth spins so be it. I just tried to reason some sense in you. You are simply a lost cause.
Can you explain using a flat earth why the foucault pendulum work then, which happens to also be the topic of this thread.
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I can't see how REers can believe this Foucault Pendulum thing proves the Earth is spinning 1000 mph. Yet they also believe the Earth orbits the sun at 67,000 mph and it whirls around the center of our galaxy at 490,000 mph and yet with all this whirling and moving that pendulum keeps on swinging back and forth keeping perfect timing that proves to them that it is the real deal and is a perfect representation of the Earth spinning 1000 mph. In my head, I think that the pendulum would be swinging every which way because of the Earth's movement around the universe. I guess it is just me though.
Earth's rotation is the cause for the greatest change in rotation in space (space as in room) of objects on earth. It has nothing to do with accelerations or speed. And the only thing it proves is that earth is rotating. The reason the pendulum rotates, for you who have not realised it yet, is the pendulums rotation in space (space as in room) relative to earth. As the pendulum swings back and forth it swings along a certain 2-dimensional plane. As earth rotates it applies a rotating force on every object (that is in contact with the ground) on it that keeps those objects rotation stable relative to earth. The pivot of the pendulum is also subjected to this force, as is the weight, and the whole pendulum rotates with earth. BUT this force does not accelerate the pendulum in any direction, as the forces rotating the pendulum balance each other out. This means that the pendulum keeps it's motion. It's because there is NO force that changes it's motion, so it keeps it's motion along the same 2-dimensional plane.
Okay master, if you want to believe this contraption proves the Earth spins so be it. I just tried to reason some sense in you. You are simply a lost cause.
Can you explain using a flat earth why the foucault pendulum work then, which happens to also be the topic of this thread.
I will answer the topic of the thread like you ask.
The Foucault pendulum is a piece of scientific apparatus specifically designed and built to deceive and mislead. It is literally a “humbug” – a sham, a fake, a fraud, an artifice, a pretence, a hoax – and I believe it should be exposed as such. But the Foucault pendulum is more than a hoax. It is actually a religious propaganda tool. Most of the ones that do work are forced to do what they do, rather than doing what comes naturally. The only kind of Foucault pendulum which would not be a fake would be one that was free-swinging, operated properly without any gyroscope, device to guide the wire along a certain direction and anyone could simply hang a plumb-bob from the ceiling, give it a swing and it would swing back and forth in a circular direction long enough that a person could mathematically determine that if there were no air resistance it would theoretically travel a complete circle in twenty-four hours.
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If that were true they wouldn't be latitude dependent. But since they are, the earth rotates.
Latitude dependent, crap it is . Only staged!!! to appear so.
Then set one up yourself and prove us wrong.
I've provide its a crock of shit back in the 80s. With many an experiment. I have proved to myself by testing that it generates torque at the pivot point .
Its not up to me to cure you of your gulliblity. What I would say , is rather then placing your trust in a party trick . Promoted by inslavers . You start preparing for the greatest depression thats comming . Ive already had my pre training in lifes tuffin the phuck up. & I cant hear & can hardly see .
But i'm in good steed to tolerate the hard road ahead. Will you be ?
What torque does it create? Can you make a diagram and provide mathematical equations please?
You dont need me to provide you any mathematical equations. You only have to use their's. The torque is replaced with the rotating earth nonsence in the hypothesis. Read their own explanation for useing a long line & a very heavy bob.why ? to negate elliptical orbit being visually noticed . If you set a swinging bob in a deliberately obvious elliptical motion . It will form a synchronized pattern in its swing . That would not occur with out torque at the pivot point , to maintain the timing of rottation of the pattern.
I do need you to provide mathematical equations. Otherwise I'll just assume you're lying. You can't just replace a force with whatever you want.
You cant just replace a force with whatevery you want. Lol thats what your hypothesis has done , by claiming the earth is rotating & working to that assumption & exscluding all other reasoning. Your maths has been worked to start with the hypothesis the earth is rotating to begin with. Not to find out if that is the true reason. By the way evey time the bob reverses direction .its a change in force. Every time it clims against gravity , its a change in force. You seem to be the one wanting to replace the forces at work , not me .
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I can't see how REers can believe this Foucault Pendulum thing proves the Earth is spinning 1000 mph. Yet they also believe the Earth orbits the sun at 67,000 mph and it whirls around the center of our galaxy at 490,000 mph and yet with all this whirling and moving that pendulum keeps on swinging back and forth keeping perfect timing that proves to them that it is the real deal and is a perfect representation of the Earth spinning 1000 mph. In my head, I think that the pendulum would be swinging every which way because of the Earth's movement around the universe. I guess it is just me though.
Earth's rotation is the cause for the greatest change in rotation in space (space as in room) of objects on earth. It has nothing to do with accelerations or speed. And the only thing it proves is that earth is rotating. The reason the pendulum rotates, for you who have not realised it yet, is the pendulums rotation in space (space as in room) relative to earth. As the pendulum swings back and forth it swings along a certain 2-dimensional plane. As earth rotates it applies a rotating force on every object (that is in contact with the ground) on it that keeps those objects rotation stable relative to earth. The pivot of the pendulum is also subjected to this force, as is the weight, and the whole pendulum rotates with earth. BUT this force does not accelerate the pendulum in any direction, as the forces rotating the pendulum balance each other out. This means that the pendulum keeps it's motion. It's because there is NO force that changes it's motion, so it keeps it's motion along the same 2-dimensional plane.
Okay master, if you want to believe this contraption proves the Earth spins so be it. I just tried to reason some sense in you. You are simply a lost cause.
Can you explain using a flat earth why the foucault pendulum work then, which happens to also be the topic of this thread.
I will answer the topic of the thread like you ask.
The Foucault pendulum is a piece of scientific apparatus specifically designed and built to deceive and mislead. It is literally a “humbug” – a sham, a fake, a fraud, an artifice, a pretence, a hoax – and I believe it should be exposed as such. But the Foucault pendulum is more than a hoax. It is actually a religious propaganda tool. Most of the ones that do work are forced to do what they do, rather than doing what comes naturally. The only kind of Foucault pendulum which would not be a fake would be one that was free-swinging, operated properly without any gyroscope, device to guide the wire along a certain direction and anyone could simply hang a plumb-bob from the ceiling, give it a swing and it would swing back and forth in a circular direction long enough that a person could mathematically determine that if there were no air resistance it would theoretically travel a complete circle in twenty-four hours.
The question is why it works. Why does the pendulum seem to rotate? We assume of course a free hanging one without any motors what so ever inside a room with minimal air movement and that is pretty heavy, which "drowns" any other force. Why does it work on a flat earth?
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I can't see how REers can believe this Foucault Pendulum thing proves the Earth is spinning 1000 mph. Yet they also believe the Earth orbits the sun at 67,000 mph and it whirls around the center of our galaxy at 490,000 mph and yet with all this whirling and moving that pendulum keeps on swinging back and forth keeping perfect timing that proves to them that it is the real deal and is a perfect representation of the Earth spinning 1000 mph. In my head, I think that the pendulum would be swinging every which way because of the Earth's movement around the universe. I guess it is just me though.
Earth's rotation is the cause for the greatest change in rotation in space (space as in room) of objects on earth. It has nothing to do with accelerations or speed. And the only thing it proves is that earth is rotating. The reason the pendulum rotates, for you who have not realised it yet, is the pendulums rotation in space (space as in room) relative to earth. As the pendulum swings back and forth it swings along a certain 2-dimensional plane. As earth rotates it applies a rotating force on every object (that is in contact with the ground) on it that keeps those objects rotation stable relative to earth. The pivot of the pendulum is also subjected to this force, as is the weight, and the whole pendulum rotates with earth. BUT this force does not accelerate the pendulum in any direction, as the forces rotating the pendulum balance each other out. This means that the pendulum keeps it's motion. It's because there is NO force that changes it's motion, so it keeps it's motion along the same 2-dimensional plane.
Okay master, if you want to believe this contraption proves the Earth spins so be it. I just tried to reason some sense in you. You are simply a lost cause.
Can you explain using a flat earth why the foucault pendulum work then, which happens to also be the topic of this thread.
I will answer the topic of the thread like you ask.
The Foucault pendulum is a piece of scientific apparatus specifically designed and built to deceive and mislead. It is literally a “humbug” – a sham, a fake, a fraud, an artifice, a pretence, a hoax – and I believe it should be exposed as such. But the Foucault pendulum is more than a hoax. It is actually a religious propaganda tool. Most of the ones that do work are forced to do what they do, rather than doing what comes naturally. The only kind of Foucault pendulum which would not be a fake would be one that was free-swinging, operated properly without any gyroscope, device to guide the wire along a certain direction and anyone could simply hang a plumb-bob from the ceiling, give it a swing and it would swing back and forth in a circular direction long enough that a person could mathematically determine that if there were no air resistance it would theoretically travel a complete circle in twenty-four hours.
Gyroscopes ?
Gyroscopes...
Gyroscopes were invented by Foucault, the Foucault's pendulum inventor. Why ? To measure the rotation of the Earth. When ? One year after he built his pendulum. ;)
You can buy one if you want, so you could study the interior parts, and see there are no mechanisms inside designed to fake Earth's rotation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyroscope
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I can't see how REers can believe this Foucault Pendulum thing proves the Earth is spinning 1000 mph. Yet they also believe the Earth orbits the sun at 67,000 mph and it whirls around the center of our galaxy at 490,000 mph and yet with all this whirling and moving that pendulum keeps on swinging back and forth keeping perfect timing that proves to them that it is the real deal and is a perfect representation of the Earth spinning 1000 mph. In my head, I think that the pendulum would be swinging every which way because of the Earth's movement around the universe. I guess it is just me though.
Earth's rotation is the cause for the greatest change in rotation in space (space as in room) of objects on earth. It has nothing to do with accelerations or speed. And the only thing it proves is that earth is rotating. The reason the pendulum rotates, for you who have not realised it yet, is the pendulums rotation in space (space as in room) relative to earth. As the pendulum swings back and forth it swings along a certain 2-dimensional plane. As earth rotates it applies a rotating force on every object (that is in contact with the ground) on it that keeps those objects rotation stable relative to earth. The pivot of the pendulum is also subjected to this force, as is the weight, and the whole pendulum rotates with earth. BUT this force does not accelerate the pendulum in any direction, as the forces rotating the pendulum balance each other out. This means that the pendulum keeps it's motion. It's because there is NO force that changes it's motion, so it keeps it's motion along the same 2-dimensional plane.
Okay master, if you want to believe this contraption proves the Earth spins so be it. I just tried to reason some sense in you. You are simply a lost cause.
Can you explain using a flat earth why the foucault pendulum work then, which happens to also be the topic of this thread.
I will answer the topic of the thread like you ask.
The Foucault pendulum is a piece of scientific apparatus specifically designed and built to deceive and mislead. It is literally a “humbug” – a sham, a fake, a fraud, an artifice, a pretence, a hoax – and I believe it should be exposed as such. But the Foucault pendulum is more than a hoax. It is actually a religious propaganda tool. Most of the ones that do work are forced to do what they do, rather than doing what comes naturally. The only kind of Foucault pendulum which would not be a fake would be one that was free-swinging, operated properly without any gyroscope, device to guide the wire along a certain direction and anyone could simply hang a plumb-bob from the ceiling, give it a swing and it would swing back and forth in a circular direction long enough that a person could mathematically determine that if there were no air resistance it would theoretically travel a complete circle in twenty-four hours.
Gyroscopes ?
Gyroscopes...
Gyroscopes were invented by Foucault, the Foucault's pendulum inventor. Why ? To measure the rotation of the Earth. When ? One year after he built his pendulum. ;)
You can buy one if you want, so you could study the interior parts, and see there are no mechanisms inside designed to fake Earth's rotation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyroscope
One of these tricky old pendulums requires care to manage, because imprecise construction can cause additional or retarded veering. If there is deficient animation, it will dampen the oscillation, so these pendulums incorporate a "little electromagnetic drive" or "other" to keep the bob swinging along in its unique patterns of swing, and some will be restarted regularly. They typically will have special rigging, recessed and hidden, at the top that will also help them to sway a certain way.
As Marshall Hall described the one at the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia, at the very top of the pendulum, next to the cable mounting, there is a small motorized pin that always stays horizontally opposed to the cable. This pin rotates very slowly (also as it depends on latitude), so as to always ensure the pendulum’s reliability when hitting the little radial teeth below, once every hour, as it swings back and forth; and the pendulum is cranked up every morning by the caretaker, or the monkey and the engineer.
The pivot mounting at the top permits the bob to waggle slowly over the cumulative degrees. There is a little ring through which the cable descends that determines the arc of the bob’s gradual swinging motions. The cable through the ring will become visibly off centered, after a while, and will be pulled to another edge from time to time, renewing a full swing, when the pendulum appears to be running down.
After being reset, the cable holding the bob can be seen to twist and jerk. Viewed up close, the bob can be seen to twist one way and then the other, like it has been wound up like a little swing on a playground and then let go. The little noticeable off-center positions of the cable, through the arc-controlling ring, are a feature which helps give momentum and bias in the direction of the slowly curving oscillations.
They may vary in some details of design, but, nevertheless, they are all driven, damped, and tuned. If they are not tweaked, the bob tends to lose its pattern, and it becomes difficult to see the precession. Thus Foucault pendulums are not truly free-swinging pendulums. They are damped, constrained, and charged up by design. Unlike other pendulums that anchor the weight in one plane, a Foucault pendulum allows the anchor to rotate. The pivot mounting at the top, at the suspension point, lets the weight swing in any of an infinite series of vertical planes. So the plane of the pendulum will rotate around a full circle over a given period of time.