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Title: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: rottingroom on December 10, 2014, 06:35:52 AM
So as we all probably know from the wiki, the sun is apparently 3000 miles from the earth and since the winter solstice is coming up, I invite everyone here to test whether or not the earth is actually flat. I propose that on the day of the Winter Solstice, Dec 21st, let's measure the angle to the sun from our various locations and plug in the proper trigonometry to see if we all come up with the same answers. If the FE theory is correct then we should arrive on or about the 3000 mile mark for the sun's distance (or if not 3000 then we should at least have a similar answer as Voliva could have simply been wrong). There will be some science to do so be warned. There will be 3 phases to this experiment:

Find your distance to the tropic of capricorn.

1. Do a Google search by typing "distance [your city] to tropic of capricorn"
2. It should return a result from dateandtime.info, click the link
3. The link will show you your distance to the tropic of capricorn in km and miles. Record your distance to the tropic of capricorn in miles.

Measure angle of sun above horizon at noon on Dec. 21st.

1. There are many methods for measuring the angle of the sun but let's just use something you might already have, a protractor.
2. At solar noon on Dec. 21st, make the base of your protractor parallel with the earths surface and then point the other end of it toward the sun. Record the angle of the sun in degrees.

Here is a link that goes in a little more detail about how to measure an angle with a protractor.
http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/geology/powell/scale_module/protractor/protractor_roll.htm (http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/geology/powell/scale_module/protractor/protractor_roll.htm)

Here is a link to help you determine when solar noon is for your location:
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/grad/solcalc/ (http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/grad/solcalc/)

Calculate the distance to the sun.

This will just be some brief trigonometry but I will also provide a link to a trig calculator if you'd rather not do the calculation.

You will need to use the following formula:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/c/0/d/c0dd18b51a2d4e39c12f9461a485e1b0.png)

where A is the angle you measured, b is the distance to the tropic of capricorn and a is the distance to the sun. Solve for a.

Here is the online trig calculator  (http://www.carbidedepot.com/formulas-trigright.asp)where you can just input the numbers above to obtain the length for side a.

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Alright then. Let's see what happens.

Edit: removed misuse of the word azimuth, included solar noon calculator
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: Rama Set on December 10, 2014, 06:48:59 AM
Placeholder for my answer.

My distance to the tropic of capricorn is:

7474 km (http://dateandtime.info/distancetropiccapricorn.php?id=6167865) or 4644 miles.

Here is my prediction for what the sun's angle should be if Voliva was correct:

tan(A)=3000miles/4644miles

tan(A)=0.6460

A=arctan(0.6460)

A=32.86 degrees (call it 33 degrees)

Can't wait to see what happens!

Edit: Converted Voliva's distance from miles to km.

Edit 2: Converted all distances to miles to stay consistent with Voliva's calculations.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: Rama Set on December 10, 2014, 06:54:08 AM
So as we all probably know from the wiki, the sun is apparently 3000 miles from the earth and since the winter solstice is coming up, I invite everyone here to test whether or not the earth is actually flat. I propose that on the day of the Winter Solstice, Dec 21st, let's measure the angle to the sun from our various locations and plug in the proper trigonometry to see if we all come up with the same answers. If the FE theory is correct then we should arrive on or about the 3000 mile mark for the sun's distance (or if not 3000 then we should at least have a similar answer as Voliva could have simply been wrong). There will be some science to do so be warned. There will be 3 phases to this experiment:

Find your distance to the tropic of capricorn.

1. Do a Google search by typing "distance [your city] to tropic of capricorn"
2. It should return a result from dateandtime.info, click the link
3. The link will show you your distance to the tropic of capricorn in km and miles. Record your distance to the tropic of capricorn in miles.

Measure angle of sun above horizon at noon on Dec. 21st.

1. There are many methods for measuring the azimuth angle of the sun but let's just use something you might already have, a protractor.
2. At noon on Dec. 21st, make the base of your protractor parallel with the earths surface and then point the other end of it toward the sun. Record the azimuth angle of the sun in degrees.

Here is a link that goes in a little more detail about how to measure an angle with a protractor.
http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/geology/powell/scale_module/protractor/protractor_roll.htm (http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/geology/powell/scale_module/protractor/protractor_roll.htm)

Calculate the distance to the sun.

This will just be some brief trigonometry but I will also provide a link to a trig calculator if you'd rather not do the calculation.

You will need to use the following formula:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/c/0/d/c0dd18b51a2d4e39c12f9461a485e1b0.png)

where A is the angle you measured, b is the distance to the tropic of capricorn and a is the distance to the sun. Solve for a.

Here is the online trig calculator  (http://www.carbidedepot.com/formulas-trigright.asp)where you can just input the numbers above to obtain the length for side a.

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Alright then. Let's see what happens.

Question: When measuring the azimuth of the sun, is the angle read from the line that bisects the sun?
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: rottingroom on December 10, 2014, 07:03:33 AM
Here is mine.

I will be 4918 miles from the tropic of capricorn.

tan(A) = 3000 miles / 4918 miles
tan(A) = .6100040666937
A = arctan(.6100040666937)
A = 31.38336° (call it 32)




Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: rottingroom on December 10, 2014, 07:11:56 AM
So as we all probably know from the wiki, the sun is apparently 3000 miles from the earth and since the winter solstice is coming up, I invite everyone here to test whether or not the earth is actually flat. I propose that on the day of the Winter Solstice, Dec 21st, let's measure the angle to the sun from our various locations and plug in the proper trigonometry to see if we all come up with the same answers. If the FE theory is correct then we should arrive on or about the 3000 mile mark for the sun's distance (or if not 3000 then we should at least have a similar answer as Voliva could have simply been wrong). There will be some science to do so be warned. There will be 3 phases to this experiment:

Find your distance to the tropic of capricorn.

1. Do a Google search by typing "distance [your city] to tropic of capricorn"
2. It should return a result from dateandtime.info, click the link
3. The link will show you your distance to the tropic of capricorn in km and miles. Record your distance to the tropic of capricorn in miles.

Measure angle of sun above horizon at noon on Dec. 21st.

1. There are many methods for measuring the azimuth angle of the sun but let's just use something you might already have, a protractor.
2. At noon on Dec. 21st, make the base of your protractor parallel with the earths surface and then point the other end of it toward the sun. Record the azimuth angle of the sun in degrees.

Here is a link that goes in a little more detail about how to measure an angle with a protractor.
http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/geology/powell/scale_module/protractor/protractor_roll.htm (http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/geology/powell/scale_module/protractor/protractor_roll.htm)

Calculate the distance to the sun.

This will just be some brief trigonometry but I will also provide a link to a trig calculator if you'd rather not do the calculation.

You will need to use the following formula:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/c/0/d/c0dd18b51a2d4e39c12f9461a485e1b0.png)

where A is the angle you measured, b is the distance to the tropic of capricorn and a is the distance to the sun. Solve for a.

Here is the online trig calculator  (http://www.carbidedepot.com/formulas-trigright.asp)where you can just input the numbers above to obtain the length for side a.

---------------------

Alright then. Let's see what happens.

Question: When measuring the azimuth of the sun, is the angle read from the line that bisects the sun?

The line that bisects (goes straight through) the sun.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: rottingroom on December 10, 2014, 08:00:34 AM
AusGeoff, because you live so much further south than us, hopefully you can take part in this experiment. As you can see, since me and Rama Set close to each other with respect to latitude, we will have very similar angles. Let me know if you can do it too, and if you can show us your "FE prediction" or at least tell me your distance to the tropic so I can predict your FE azimuth, then on Dec. 21st take a few seconds out of the day to measure the angle.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: Alpha2Omega on December 10, 2014, 08:30:45 AM
This is an interesting experiment. A couple of points:

You're looking for the elevation angle of the Sun (angle to the center of the Sun above level), not the azimuth angle (angle from due north in the level plane). This should be obvious from context, but some folks here may not recognize this, or will pretend not to understand.

For the most accuracy, you want the elevation angle to the center of the Sun exactly at local solar noon. Since the apparent diameter of the Sun is only 1/2°, measuring to the top or bottom would be an error of only 1/4°. This is less than the error you will have using a simple protractor, so it can probably be ignored. If you know your local solar noon on that date, use that. If you're not sure, see if you can locate a way to tell when the Sun is directly south (or north) of you (azimuth 180° or 0°), and take your reading then. If Daylight Savings Time is in effect for your time zone, local solar noon will probably be closer to 1 PM than civil noon. Being a few minutes off probably won't make too much difference; if you're a little too early or too late your measured elevation angle will be slightly low. If you take several measurements and they're all accurate, the highest is the one you want.

Be careful not to look at the sun for too long, too. Maybe use a straw as an indicator for your protractor (with its base level, oriented in a vertical plane) and measure the angle where sunlight passes through its length looking at the straw's shadow to tell. Practice this for a few days first.

Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: rottingroom on December 10, 2014, 08:59:52 AM
This is an interesting experiment. A couple of points:

You're looking for the elevation angle of the Sun (angle to the center of the Sun above level), not the azimuth angle (angle from due north in the level plane). This should be obvious from context, but some folks here may not recognize this, or will pretend not to understand.

For the most accuracy, you want the elevation angle to the center of the Sun exactly at local solar noon. Since the apparent diameter of the Sun is only 1/2°, measuring to the top or bottom would be an error of only 1/4°. This is less than the error you will have using a simple protractor, so it can probably be ignored. If you know your local solar noon on that date, use that. If you're not sure, see if you can locate a way to tell when the Sun is directly south (or north) of you (azimuth 180° or 0°), and take your reading then. If Daylight Savings Time is in effect for your time zone, local solar noon will probably be closer to 1 PM than civil noon. Being a few minutes off probably won't make too much difference; if you're a little too early or too late your measured elevation angle will be slightly low. If you take several measurements and they're all accurate, the highest is the one you want.

Be careful not to look at the sun for too long, too. Maybe use a straw as an indicator for your protractor (with its base level, oriented in a vertical plane) and measure the angle where sunlight passes through its length looking at the straw's shadow to tell. Practice this for a few days first.

Thank you, I have corrected the op's misuse of the word of azimuth and removed any mentions of the word to avoid confusion. I have also found a solar noon calculator so anyone who isn't sure of when to the measurement should use it.

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/grad/solcalc/ (http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/grad/solcalc/)

I'll include a link to it in the original post as well.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: Cartesian on December 10, 2014, 09:08:33 AM
OK why not. I live 5184 miles north of the Tropic of Capricorn.

According to FE model, at noon winter solstice the sun would be at the following elevation:

tan(elevation) = 3000/5184 = 0.5787
That gives me an elevation of 30°

According to RE model ( using this calculator http://www.sunearthtools.com/dp/tools/pos_sun.php (http://www.sunearthtools.com/dp/tools/pos_sun.php)), I should have an elevation of 15°

Let's see if the earth is flat or round
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: macrohard on December 10, 2014, 11:26:30 AM
I want to emphasize that the straw method (see A2Os post) is the best way to do this.  Do not look at the sun directly.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: Rama Set on December 10, 2014, 11:51:33 AM
I want to emphasize that the straw method (see A2Os post) is the best way to do this.  Do not look at the sun directly.

I dont really understand how the straw system works.  If someone could provide a diagram of the set up that would help greatly.

Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: macrohard on December 10, 2014, 11:54:54 AM
Position the straw until its shadow looks like a perfect ring (rather than an ellipse or line).

The angle of the straw is equal to the angle of the sun.

Longer and thinner the straw, the more accurate.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: Jet Fission on December 10, 2014, 01:50:49 PM
I'm going to be in Venezuela during the winter solstice, so I'll try my best at measuring it so we can have a more southern measurement.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: Lemmiwinks on December 10, 2014, 03:30:54 PM
I dont understand, where are all the FE'rs?
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: Alpha2Omega on December 10, 2014, 03:33:29 PM
Jet: cool!

According to trig and Voliva's estimate of the height of the nearby sun, I get

atan(3000 mi / 4102 mi) = atan(0.7314)
 = 36.18°

Call it 36°.

As a lark, I asked the dateandtime.info site that answered the initial search for my distance to the north pole. Adding those numbers gave the distance from the NP to the Tropic of Capricorn as 7847 miles.

atan(3000 mi / 7847 mi) = atan(0.3823)
 = 20.92°

or about 21° above the horizon.  Conventional theory predicts the Sun will be about 23.5° below the horizon. Any wild guesses which will be closer?
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: Alpha2Omega on December 10, 2014, 03:36:06 PM
I dont understand, where are all the FE'rs?

Someone proposed a way to see for themselves, so they're running for the hills.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: Lemmiwinks on December 10, 2014, 03:56:11 PM
I dont understand, where are all the FE'rs?

Someone proposed a way to see for themselves, so they're running for the hills.

Man, a little high school trig and the "Truth(tm)" falls apart. How sad for them.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: Jet Fission on December 10, 2014, 05:45:43 PM
I dont understand, where are all the FE'rs?
Whenever us RE'ers propose an experiment to invalidate FET or validate RET the FE'ers scatter. It's pretty funny actually, the same thing happened when I made a post about observing Jupiter and its moons to determine the legitimacy of Sceptimatic's reflection theory. They were no where to be found.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: iWitness on December 11, 2014, 10:25:13 AM
In my opinion, the Sun is nowhere NEAR 3000 miles up. It's more like 100-200 miles TOPS.

Take a look at this picture taken from a weather balloon at 110,000 Feet (~20 miles):

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/sWUZDOQm_HE/0.jpg)

Look at the angle of the rays and the position of the Sun and you can see it's only about 100-200 miles up.

The Stars, on the other hand, are much higher up near the top of the Firmament.

You have to remember that the Sun doesn't take the same course every day, and has various routes throughout the year. The Book of Enoch explains the Sun's courses more thoroughly:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe075.htm (http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe075.htm)

Here is a pretty good video explaining the angles of the Sun's rays on flat earth:
(http://)
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: Jet Fission on December 11, 2014, 10:30:59 AM
In my opinion, the Sun is nowhere NEAR 3000 miles up. It's more like 100-200 miles TOPS.

Take a look at this picture taken from a weather balloon at 110,000 Feet (~20 miles):

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/sWUZDOQm_HE/0.jpg)

Look at the angle of the rays and the position of the Sun and you can see it's only about 100-200 miles up.

The Stars, on the other hand, are much higher up near the top of the Firmament.

You have to remember that the Sun doesn't take the same course every day, and has various routes throughout the year. The Book of Enoch explains the Sun's courses more thoroughly:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe075.htm (http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe075.htm)

Here is a pretty good video explaining the angles of the Sun's rays on flat earth:
(http://)
What is your evidence that the sun is 200 miles high?

The "sun rays" in that photo are just lens artifacts. That's why they look different with different lenses. You can't use them to measure anything.
As for angled sun ways: get a tube, get a lamp, shine light through tube at angle, watch the light change angles at the tube's exit. Light refracts depending on the angle of the medium its shining through (clouds in this case). Measuring the altitude of the sun using refraction rays is as stupid as taking measurements of an object using its reflection on a mirror. Try again.

A video of a weather balloon rising up high would only prove the sun is higher than 100-200 miles, since parallax obviously wouldn't be noticeable.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: iWitness on December 11, 2014, 10:35:40 AM
And if you took the time to read the page linked in the Book of Enoch above, you may have noticed the last verse which states, "37. As he rises, so he sets and decreases not, and rests not, but runs day and night, and his light is sevenfold brighter than that of the moon; but as regards size they are both equal."

You atheists just can handle the Truth in God's Word. Give it up shills, Jesus Christ is Lord.

From Nasa's website:

Quote
The Moon's size and distance contribute to a wonderful coincidence for those of us who live here on Earth. The Moon is about 400 times smaller than the Sun, but it also just happens to be about 400 times closer. The result is that from Earth, they appear to be the same size.

WRONG NASA idiots, they appear the same size because THEY ARE THE SAME SIZE MORONS. Geez Louise.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: Jet Fission on December 11, 2014, 10:40:50 AM
And if you took the time to read the page linked in the Book of Enoch above, you may have noticed the last verse which states, "37. As he rises, so he sets and decreases not, and rests not, but runs day and night, and his light is sevenfold brighter than that of the moon; but as regards size they are both equal."

You atheists just can handle the Truth in God's Word. Give it up shills, Jesus Christ is Lord.

From Nasa's website:

Quote
The Moon's size and distance contribute to a wonderful coincidence for those of us who live here on Earth. The Moon is about 400 times smaller than the Sun, but it also just happens to be about 400 times closer. The result is that from Earth, they appear to be the same size.

WRONG NASA idiots, they appear the same size because THEY ARE THE SAME SIZE MORONS. Geez Louise.
Considering around 80% of the US population is Christian, it sounds a bit hypocritical of you to be denouncing atheists who go against the grain and aren't gullible enough to give in to religion, kind of like how you say RE'ers are gullible and shills for giving in to RE.

So... if you're going to attempt (and fail) to use Christianity to prove FET- that's for another thread.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: markjo on December 11, 2014, 11:02:21 AM
From Nasa's website:

Quote
The Moon's size and distance contribute to a wonderful coincidence for those of us who live here on Earth. The Moon is about 400 times smaller than the Sun, but it also just happens to be about 400 times closer. The result is that from Earth, they appear to be the same size.

WRONG NASA idiots, they appear the same size because THEY ARE THE SAME SIZE MORONS. Geez Louise.
Yes, because all things that appear to be the same size must be the same size.
(http://www.blather.net/zeitgeist/small_far_away-thumb-448x353.jpg)
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: theearthisrounddealwithit on December 11, 2014, 11:47:31 AM
It seems that those who use religion in order to prove a FET are only weakening it. The moon and the sun the same size? Are you kidding me? What about telescopes? Why do you need a stronger telescope to see the sun (with filter) than the moon?
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: rottingroom on December 11, 2014, 12:09:38 PM
In my opinion, the Sun is nowhere NEAR 3000 miles up. It's more like 100-200 miles TOPS.

Take a look at this picture taken from a weather balloon at 110,000 Feet (~20 miles):

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/sWUZDOQm_HE/0.jpg)

Look at the angle of the rays and the position of the Sun and you can see it's only about 100-200 miles up.

The Stars, on the other hand, are much higher up near the top of the Firmament.

You have to remember that the Sun doesn't take the same course every day, and has various routes throughout the year. The Book of Enoch explains the Sun's courses more thoroughly:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe075.htm (http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe075.htm)

Here is a pretty good video explaining the angles of the Sun's rays on flat earth:
(http://)

Okay say then do the math.

atan(200/[your distance from Capricorn]) = Angle

Test it on the solstice.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: Cartesian on December 11, 2014, 02:24:52 PM
And if you took the time to read the page linked in the Book of Enoch above, you may have noticed the last verse which states, "37. As he rises, so he sets and decreases not, and rests not, but runs day and night, and his light is sevenfold brighter than that of the moon; but as regards size they are both equal."

You atheists just can handle the Truth in God's Word. Give it up shills, Jesus Christ is Lord.

From Nasa's website:

Quote
The Moon's size and distance contribute to a wonderful coincidence for those of us who live here on Earth. The Moon is about 400 times smaller than the Sun, but it also just happens to be about 400 times closer. The result is that from Earth, they appear to be the same size.

WRONG NASA idiots, they appear the same size because THEY ARE THE SAME SIZE MORONS. Geez Louise.

Just because your book says so, doesn't mean it is true. But don't worry brother, I can feel your frustration.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: Lemmiwinks on December 12, 2014, 10:00:18 AM
And if you took the time to read the page linked in the Book of Enoch above, you may have noticed the last verse which states, "37. As he rises, so he sets and decreases not, and rests not, but runs day and night, and his light is sevenfold brighter than that of the moon; but as regards size they are both equal."

You atheists just can handle the Truth in God's Word. Give it up shills, Jesus Christ is Lord.

From Nasa's website:

Quote
The Moon's size and distance contribute to a wonderful coincidence for those of us who live here on Earth. The Moon is about 400 times smaller than the Sun, but it also just happens to be about 400 times closer. The result is that from Earth, they appear to be the same size.

WRONG NASA idiots, they appear the same size because THEY ARE THE SAME SIZE MORONS. Geez Louise.

Soooo, are you going to be the only FE'r that does the experiment? Measure the angle of the sun on the solstice?

Because you know, if you are right, then the trig would say the sun was 200 miles up. It would be proven beyond a doubt.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: LuggerSailor on December 13, 2014, 03:56:49 AM
5340 miles to the Tropic of Capricorn.

Atan(3000/5340) = 29.33°

I've got a protractor screwed to a stick which I've used to measure the angles to overhead wires so that I could calculate their height and work out the safe clearance for a mast. It worked, I didn't electrocute myself!

Just over a week to go!
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: ausGeoff on December 14, 2014, 01:18:15 AM
I don't use a protractor as such, but one of these things set on a 1m spirit level...


(http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server1800/xoo1uq/products/46/images/471/Linex_Adjustable_Set_Square_SAN__56038.1408327919.1280.1280.jpg?c=2)

Depending on the elevation of the sun, either the short side or the long side can be used to align the shadow from 0º to 90º—which runs along the centreline of the level.  It's also easy to sight along either side to align stars at night.


Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: Cartesian on December 14, 2014, 01:30:47 AM
Weather permitting, you can also measure the length of the shadow produced by a vertical stick with a known height.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: LuggerSailor on December 20, 2014, 06:13:26 AM
Weather permitting, you can also measure the length of the shadow produced by a vertical stick with a known height.
Or the shadows cast on a wall
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l236/robbourn/SolsticeBrick_zpsca564fbd.jpg)

One day to go!
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: robintex on December 20, 2014, 04:14:44 PM
In my opinion, the Sun is nowhere NEAR 3000 miles up. It's more like 100-200 miles TOPS.

Take a look at this picture taken from a weather balloon at 110,000 Feet (~20 miles):

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/sWUZDOQm_HE/0.jpg)

Look at the angle of the rays and the position of the Sun and you can see it's only about 100-200 miles up.

The Stars, on the other hand, are much higher up near the top of the Firmament.

You have to remember that the Sun doesn't take the same course every day, and has various routes throughout the year. The Book of Enoch explains the Sun's courses more thoroughly:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe075.htm (http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe075.htm)

Here is a pretty good video explaining the angles of the Sun's rays on flat earth:
(http://)

If I may be pardoned for saying so...But....As just an amateur photographer who has taken a few pictures.That explanation for estimating the distance to the sun from the rays of the is one of the most inane things I have yet heard from any flat earther.

Those "angles" - if you are referring to the rays in the photograph from the sun - are simply what is caused "lens flare". They have no relation to the height of any object and in no way they could be used in computing the height of the sun.

Just do a google search on "lens flare" and you will find similar pictures.

But you will have to excuse the flat earthers. Photography seems to be another subject in which the flat earthers are ignorant as has been seen on countless posts. But you will have to forgive them for their ignorance. Unfortunately it is sometimes necessary for a "Round Earther" to try to explain these things. But they never do believe a "Round Earther" so it's a rather futile exercise.

100 to 200 miles is even worse than 3000 miles IMHO. LOL.

Once again, here are proven facts with a lot of evidence.:
The distance to the moon is approximately 250,000 Miles.
The distance to the sun is approximately 93,000,000 Miles.
Do you have any proof or evidence otherwise, flat earthers ?
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: robintex on December 20, 2014, 04:57:43 PM
And if you took the time to read the page linked in the Book of Enoch above, you may have noticed the last verse which states, "37. As he rises, so he sets and decreases not, and rests not, but runs day and night, and his light is sevenfold brighter than that of the moon; but as regards size they are both equal."

You atheists just can handle the Truth in God's Word. Give it up shills, Jesus Christ is Lord.

From Nasa's website:

Quote
The Moon's size and distance contribute to a wonderful coincidence for those of us who live here on Earth. The Moon is about 400 times smaller than the Sun, but it also just happens to be about 400 times closer. The result is that from Earth, they appear to be the same size.

WRONG NASA idiots, they appear the same size because THEY ARE THE SAME SIZE MORONS. Geez Louise.

Enoch probably just reported things as he saw them. He had no idea of the distances of the sun and the moon from . He just assumed that since they APPEARED  to be of the same size from his vantage point, they WERE the same size. You have to look at these things with a view as to when they were written and what their knowledge was at that time. I don't think God would have tried to explain light years and quantum physics to Enoch. He would leave that to man to use his brains to figure out how He made them.

There was an episode on the old BBC "Britcom", "Father Ted", about the sizes of things..."Near...far away "... LOL. I think this was posted on another thread some time ago.
(http://)
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: rottingroom on December 20, 2014, 06:12:32 PM
Googleotomy, those rays cannot be explained by lens flare but they can be explained by simple perspective and its been discussed at length in a thread on these forums before. Just look at these railroad tracks.

(http://www.chathamrailroadmuseum.com/wp-content/uploads/railroad_tracks.jpg)

We know these tracks are parallel but because of the perspective, they don't appear to be.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: robintex on December 20, 2014, 06:59:43 PM
Googleotomy, those rays cannot be explained by lens flare but they can be explained by simple perspective and its been discussed at length in a thread on these forums before. Just look at these railroad tracks.

(http://www.chathamrailroadmuseum.com/wp-content/uploads/railroad_tracks.jpg)

We know these tracks are parallel but because of the perspective, they don't appear to be.

rottingroom , that is just my own personal analysis that those rays in the photographic look like a simple case of lens flare and have no relation to perspective. It would be interesting to hear if other photographers have opinions. Unlike sceptimatic, I have been wrong on many subjects many times. LOL.

And while I am at it, de-bunking flat earthers, that is, which is one of the reasons for the entertainment value of this website . LOL.
iWitness, Speaking of The Book of Enoch, of which you are so fond of quoting , isn't even in the Bible. It is one of those "apochryphal" books which are considered questionable.

I don't think even the most ardent flat earther is going to agree with iWitness' estimate of the distance from the earth to the sun as being 100 to 200 miles ! LOL
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: mikeman7918 on December 20, 2014, 09:04:06 PM
And if you took the time to read the page linked in the Book of Enoch above, you may have noticed the last verse which states, "37. As he rises, so he sets and decreases not, and rests not, but runs day and night, and his light is sevenfold brighter than that of the moon; but as regards size they are both equal."

You atheists just can handle the Truth in God's Word. Give it up shills, Jesus Christ is Lord.

From Nasa's website:

Quote
The Moon's size and distance contribute to a wonderful coincidence for those of us who live here on Earth. The Moon is about 400 times smaller than the Sun, but it also just happens to be about 400 times closer. The result is that from Earth, they appear to be the same size.

WRONG NASA idiots, they appear the same size because THEY ARE THE SAME SIZE MORONS. Geez Louise.
Considering around 80% of the US population is Christian, it sounds a bit hypocritical of you to be denouncing atheists who go against the grain and aren't gullible enough to give in to religion, kind of like how you say RE'ers are gullible and shills for giving in to RE.

So... if you're going to attempt (and fail) to use Christianity to prove FET- that's for another thread.
By saying that there is no God you are making an even bigger uneducated assumption then the flat earthers do by saying that space travel is a conspiracy.  Science has never proven or disproven the existance of God, so don't pretend like you know the answer.

God's not dead.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: rottingroom on December 21, 2014, 12:25:16 AM
And if you took the time to read the page linked in the Book of Enoch above, you may have noticed the last verse which states, "37. As he rises, so he sets and decreases not, and rests not, but runs day and night, and his light is sevenfold brighter than that of the moon; but as regards size they are both equal."

You atheists just can handle the Truth in God's Word. Give it up shills, Jesus Christ is Lord.

From Nasa's website:

Quote
The Moon's size and distance contribute to a wonderful coincidence for those of us who live here on Earth. The Moon is about 400 times smaller than the Sun, but it also just happens to be about 400 times closer. The result is that from Earth, they appear to be the same size.

WRONG NASA idiots, they appear the same size because THEY ARE THE SAME SIZE MORONS. Geez Louise.
Considering around 80% of the US population is Christian, it sounds a bit hypocritical of you to be denouncing atheists who go against the grain and aren't gullible enough to give in to religion, kind of like how you say RE'ers are gullible and shills for giving in to RE.

So... if you're going to attempt (and fail) to use Christianity to prove FET- that's for another thread.
By saying that there is no God you are making an even bigger uneducated assumption then the flat earthers do by saying that space travel is a conspiracy.  Science has never proven or disproven the existance of God, so don't pretend like you know the answer.

God's not dead.

Science has also not proven or disproven the existence of leprechauns.

Leprechaun's aren't dead.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: Cartesian on December 21, 2014, 01:18:06 AM
Weather permitting, you can also measure the length of the shadow produced by a vertical stick with a known height.
Or the shadows cast on a wall
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l236/robbourn/SolsticeBrick_zpsca564fbd.jpg)

One day to go!

Today is the day! And nice idea btw.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: mikeman7918 on December 21, 2014, 08:30:58 AM
Weather permitting, you can also measure the length of the shadow produced by a vertical stick with a known height.
Or the shadows cast on a wall
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l236/robbourn/SolsticeBrick_zpsca564fbd.jpg)

One day to go!

Today is the day! And nice idea btw.
what time zone do you live in?  This is important information for this experiment.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: mikeman7918 on December 21, 2014, 08:39:07 AM
And if you took the time to read the page linked in the Book of Enoch above, you may have noticed the last verse which states, "37. As he rises, so he sets and decreases not, and rests not, but runs day and night, and his light is sevenfold brighter than that of the moon; but as regards size they are both equal."

You atheists just can handle the Truth in God's Word. Give it up shills, Jesus Christ is Lord.

From Nasa's website:

Quote
The Moon's size and distance contribute to a wonderful coincidence for those of us who live here on Earth. The Moon is about 400 times smaller than the Sun, but it also just happens to be about 400 times closer. The result is that from Earth, they appear to be the same size.

WRONG NASA idiots, they appear the same size because THEY ARE THE SAME SIZE MORONS. Geez Louise.
Considering around 80% of the US population is Christian, it sounds a bit hypocritical of you to be denouncing atheists who go against the grain and aren't gullible enough to give in to religion, kind of like how you say RE'ers are gullible and shills for giving in to RE.

So... if you're going to attempt (and fail) to use Christianity to prove FET- that's for another thread.
By saying that there is no God you are making an even bigger uneducated assumption then the flat earthers do by saying that space travel is a conspiracy.  Science has never proven or disproven the existance of God, so don't pretend like you know the answer.

God's not dead.

Science has also not proven or disproven the existence of leprechauns.

Leprechaun's aren't dead.
Do you honestly thibk that insulting me will make me become an atheist?  All it does is make me want to not be like you.  I have heard just about every anti Christian argument that atheists have and none can disprove the existance of God.  I know that it's impossible to prove a negative, but rather then bash my belief why can't you just be happy that I'm a Christian that accepts science to be valid.  Even if my belief is false, it has made me a better person which means that it's a good thing.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: rottingroom on December 21, 2014, 08:50:51 AM
And if you took the time to read the page linked in the Book of Enoch above, you may have noticed the last verse which states, "37. As he rises, so he sets and decreases not, and rests not, but runs day and night, and his light is sevenfold brighter than that of the moon; but as regards size they are both equal."

You atheists just can handle the Truth in God's Word. Give it up shills, Jesus Christ is Lord.

From Nasa's website:

Quote
The Moon's size and distance contribute to a wonderful coincidence for those of us who live here on Earth. The Moon is about 400 times smaller than the Sun, but it also just happens to be about 400 times closer. The result is that from Earth, they appear to be the same size.

WRONG NASA idiots, they appear the same size because THEY ARE THE SAME SIZE MORONS. Geez Louise.
Considering around 80% of the US population is Christian, it sounds a bit hypocritical of you to be denouncing atheists who go against the grain and aren't gullible enough to give in to religion, kind of like how you say RE'ers are gullible and shills for giving in to RE.

So... if you're going to attempt (and fail) to use Christianity to prove FET- that's for another thread.
By saying that there is no God you are making an even bigger uneducated assumption then the flat earthers do by saying that space travel is a conspiracy.  Science has never proven or disproven the existance of God, so don't pretend like you know the answer.

God's not dead.

Science has also not proven or disproven the existence of leprechauns.

Leprechaun's aren't dead.
Do you honestly thibk that insulting me will make me become an atheist?  All it does is make me want to not be like you.  I have heard just about every anti Christian argument that atheists have and none can disprove the existance of God.  I know that it's impossible to prove a negative, but rather then bash my belief why can't you just be happy that I'm a Christian that accepts science to be valid.  Even if my belief is false, it has made me a better person which means that it's a good thing.

It was not a personal insult and I don't care about "converting" you. On a personal level, fine, believe what you want but society as a whole is better off without it.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: mikeman7918 on December 21, 2014, 09:32:18 AM
And if you took the time to read the page linked in the Book of Enoch above, you may have noticed the last verse which states, "37. As he rises, so he sets and decreases not, and rests not, but runs day and night, and his light is sevenfold brighter than that of the moon; but as regards size they are both equal."

You atheists just can handle the Truth in God's Word. Give it up shills, Jesus Christ is Lord.

From Nasa's website:

Quote
The Moon's size and distance contribute to a wonderful coincidence for those of us who live here on Earth. The Moon is about 400 times smaller than the Sun, but it also just happens to be about 400 times closer. The result is that from Earth, they appear to be the same size.

WRONG NASA idiots, they appear the same size because THEY ARE THE SAME SIZE MORONS. Geez Louise.
Considering around 80% of the US population is Christian, it sounds a bit hypocritical of you to be denouncing atheists who go against the grain and aren't gullible enough to give in to religion, kind of like how you say RE'ers are gullible and shills for giving in to RE.

So... if you're going to attempt (and fail) to use Christianity to prove FET- that's for another thread.
By saying that there is no God you are making an even bigger uneducated assumption then the flat earthers do by saying that space travel is a conspiracy.  Science has never proven or disproven the existance of God, so don't pretend like you know the answer.

God's not dead.

Science has also not proven or disproven the existence of leprechauns.

Leprechaun's aren't dead.
Do you honestly thibk that insulting me will make me become an atheist?  All it does is make me want to not be like you.  I have heard just about every anti Christian argument that atheists have and none can disprove the existance of God.  I know that it's impossible to prove a negative, but rather then bash my belief why can't you just be happy that I'm a Christian that accepts science to be valid.  Even if my belief is false, it has made me a better person which means that it's a good thing.

It was not a personal insult and I don't care about "converting" you. On a personal level, fine, believe what you want but society as a whole is better off without it.
I'm sorry if my church which was organized countless service projects, taught millions to be better people, and given countless people help in their time of need is inconvenient for you, but I'm pretty sure that the world's not better off without us even if we are wrong.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: LuggerSailor on December 21, 2014, 09:49:05 AM
Weather permitting, you can also measure the length of the shadow produced by a vertical stick with a known height.
Or the shadows cast on a wall
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l236/robbourn/SolsticeBrick_zpsca564fbd.jpg)

One day to go!

Today is the day! And nice idea btw.
what time zone do you live in?  This is important information for this experiment.
I'm in GMT (UTC) about 003°W of the prime meridian.
Too cloudy today but yesterday's photograph or a measurement less than 13° elevation taken about a week ago should be near enough. By the way, those are standard 9" x 3" bricks.

Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: ausGeoff on December 21, 2014, 10:00:25 AM
Science has never proven or disproven the existence of God, so don't pretend like you know the answer.

Apologies for a quickie OT...

Science does not have to "prove" that god doesn't exist.  It's the task of those that claim he does to prove that he does.  General logic says that one cannot prove a negative. As someone has already mentioned leprechauns, I'd challenge any flat earther to prove that they don't exist.  Can't be done.

If I tell somebody I can fly like a bird, then it's not their job to prove that I can't;  I have to prove I can by jumping off the roof.

The "proof of god" thing is invariably raised by the bible-bashers on all these nominally science-based forums.  They just can't seem to separate science from fantasy.    ::)
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: mikeman7918 on December 21, 2014, 10:18:50 AM
Science has never proven or disproven the existence of God, so don't pretend like you know the answer.

Apologies for a quickie OT...

Science does not have to "prove" that god doesn't exist.  It's the task of those that claim he does to prove that he does.  General logic says that one cannot prove a negative. As someone has already mentioned leprechauns, I'd challenge any flat earther to prove that they don't exist.  Can't be done.

If I tell somebody I can fly like a bird, then it's not their job to prove that I can't;  I have to prove I can by jumping off the roof.

The "proof of god" thing is invariably raised by the bible-bashers on all these nominally science-based forums.  They just can't seem to separate science from fantasy.    ::)
I actually expect there to be no scientific proof of the existance of God because if there was then finding truth would be way too easy and life is not supposed to be easy.  The bible mentions Pangea when it says "and God gathered all the land in one place" which wasn't proven until somewhat recently and the bible also mentioned a beginning of the universe before the big bang theory existed.  In fact, wouldn't a Big Bang like that be what you would expect to happen when God says "let there be light"?  If anybody here is living a fantasy, it's you with your depressing life is a miserable meaningless accident that ends at death beliefs.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: rottingroom on December 21, 2014, 11:15:03 AM
I'd ve happy to discuss the nonexistence of god elsewhere but please stop derailing this thread. I actually want people to participate and today is the day.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: rottingroom on December 21, 2014, 12:45:59 PM
I'll make a more detailed post later but I got 11.5° and a haight for the sun of 1000 miles.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: Cartesian on December 21, 2014, 12:47:25 PM
Weather permitting, you can also measure the length of the shadow produced by a vertical stick with a known height.
Or the shadows cast on a wall
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l236/robbourn/SolsticeBrick_zpsca564fbd.jpg)

One day to go!

Today is the day! And nice idea btw.
what time zone do you live in?  This is important information for this experiment.

I am GMT+0 but the sun was nowhere to be seen today unfortunately :(
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: robintex on December 24, 2014, 06:35:32 PM
In my opinion, the Sun is nowhere NEAR 3000 miles up. It's more like 100-200 miles TOPS.

Take a look at this picture taken from a weather balloon at 110,000 Feet (~20 miles):

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/sWUZDOQm_HE/0.jpg)

Look at the angle of the rays and the position of the Sun and you can see it's only about 100-200 miles up.

The Stars, on the other hand, are much higher up near the top of the Firmament.

You have to remember that the Sun doesn't take the same course every day, and has various routes throughout the year. The Book of Enoch explains the Sun's courses more thoroughly:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe075.htm (http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe075.htm)

Here is a pretty good video explaining the angles of the Sun's rays on flat earth:
(http://)

This thread has been inactive for a while, but here is something directed to iWitness.:

1.Do you claim the moon and the sun are about the same distance from the earth and about 100 or 200 miles from the earth ?
  Yes or no ?

2.On what do you base your measurements ?
   Please show your methods and information for your        measurements.

3.Amateur radio operators can send and receive radio signals.
   Truth or a lie ?

4.Amateur radio operators can send signals to the moon.
   Truth or lie ?

5.Amateur radio operators can send signals to the moon and have them bounce off the moon in an operation called "Moon Bounce."
  Truth or lie ?

6.Amateur radio operators on earth can receive signals bounced off the moon.
   Truth or lie ?

7.Amateur radio operators can measure the time it takes for a signal to the moon, bounce off the moon and be received back on earth as about 2.5 seconds.
   Truth or lie ?

8.Amateur radio operators can determine the return path is one half the total "2-Way Time" or about 1.275 seconds.
   Truth or lie ?

9.The speed of radio waves has been determined to be 300,000 kilometers per second or 186,000 miles per second.
   Truth or lie ?

10. Distance is equal to times times speed .
     Truth or lie ?

11.Multiply the time (1.275 seconds) times the speed (186,00 miles per second) equals 238,150 miles.
     Truth or lie ?

12.This figure is close to the approximate known measured distance to the moon of about 250,000 miles - plus or minus due to relatively small variations in this distance.
     Truth or lie ?

13. Your figures of 100 or 200 miles.
      Truth or lie ?
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: robintex on December 25, 2014, 07:44:35 PM
I guess iWitness has chosen to ignore my last post and move on to other threads to post his copypasta..

Seems to be about par for the course fromiWitness.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: ausGeoff on December 26, 2014, 03:33:28 AM
I guess iWitness has chosen to ignore my last post and move on to other threads to post his copypasta..

Seems to be about par for the course from iWitness.
The one and only reason iWitness posts here is to push his religious viewpoint down our throats.  He obviously has no real interest in science.

It's common behaviour by most religious zealots;  check out any site you like, and you'll find them infesting the forums with their proselytising—thinly disguised as input relevant to the forum's intended content.

It's also something moderators often overlook—maybe fearing the wrath of god LOL.  THIS (http://bit.ly/1xncV2s) thread is a classic example here.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: robintex on December 26, 2014, 10:59:23 AM
There is a place for every thing but this website is not the place for iWitness' ramblings. At least IMHO.

I was under the mistaken impression. Which  was that the reason for this website was that the flat earthers were trying to post their reasons(?) why the earth is flat ? And not argue theology and religion ?
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: ausGeoff on December 26, 2014, 10:40:55 PM
There is a place for every thing but this website is not the place for iWitness' ramblings. At least IMHO.


I agree totally.  (See my link to one of his religious topics.)  I'm bemused that the moderators here are allowing repetitious religious ramblings by iWitness in total contravention of the forum's rules, particularly considering that we round earthers are frequently reprimanded for far lesser infringements.  But then of course, iWitness is a flat earther, and we all know they're subject to less stringent moderation than the round earthers.  And this is classic evidence for this.

Not good enough.    :(
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: robintex on December 28, 2014, 03:11:24 PM
In my opinion, the Sun is nowhere NEAR 3000 miles up. It's more like 100-200 miles TOPS.

Take a look at this picture taken from a weather balloon at 110,000 Feet (~20 miles):

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/sWUZDOQm_HE/0.jpg)

Look at the angle of the rays and the position of the Sun and you can see it's only about 100-200 miles up.

The Stars, on the other hand, are much higher up near the top of the Firmament.

You have to remember that the Sun doesn't take the same course every day, and has various routes throughout the year. The Book of Enoch explains the Sun's courses more thoroughly:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe075.htm (http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe075.htm)

Here is a pretty good video explaining the angles of the Sun's rays on flat earth:
(http://)

This thread has been inactive for a while, but here is something directed to iWitness.:

1.Do you claim the moon and the sun are about the same distance from the earth and about 100 or 200 miles from the earth ?
  Yes or no ?

2.On what do you base your measurements ?
   Please show your methods and information for your        measurements.

3.Amateur radio operators can send and receive radio signals.
   Truth or a lie ?

4.Amateur radio operators can send signals to the moon.
   Truth or lie ?

5.Amateur radio operators can send signals to the moon and have them bounce off the moon in an operation called "Moon Bounce."
  Truth or lie ?

6.Amateur radio operators on earth can receive signals bounced off the moon.
   Truth or lie ?

7.Amateur radio operators can measure the time it takes for a signal to the moon, bounce off the moon and be received back on earth as about 2.5 seconds.
   Truth or lie ?

8.Amateur radio operators can determine the return path is one half the total "2-Way Time" or about 1.275 seconds.
   Truth or lie ?

9.The speed of radio waves has been determined to be 300,000 kilometers per second or 186,000 miles per second.
   Truth or lie ?

10. Distance is equal to times times speed .
     Truth or lie ?

11.Multiply the time (1.275 seconds) times the speed (186,00 miles per second) equals 238,150 miles.
     Truth or lie ?

12.This figure is close to the approximate known measured distance to the moon of about 250,000 miles - plus or minus due to relatively small variations in this distance.
     Truth or lie ?

13. Your figures of 100 or 200 miles.
      Truth or lie ?

I took the time to explain my figures.

I haven't seen any thing along those lines from iWitness
He hasn't even answered my questions.
Most disappointing. :(
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: robintex on December 29, 2014, 08:08:24 PM
In my opinion, the Sun is nowhere NEAR 3000 miles up. It's more like 100-200 miles TOPS.

Take a look at this picture taken from a weather balloon at 110,000 Feet (~20 miles):

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/sWUZDOQm_HE/0.jpg)

Look at the angle of the rays and the position of the Sun and you can see it's only about 100-200 miles up.

The Stars, on the other hand, are much higher up near the top of the Firmament.

You have to remember that the Sun doesn't take the same course every day, and has various routes throughout the year. The Book of Enoch explains the Sun's courses more thoroughly:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe075.htm (http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe075.htm)

Here is a pretty good video explaining the angles of the Sun's rays on flat earth:
(http://)

This a repeated request for a reply from iWitness

I just want to know how he obtained his figures and will not question his results.

I am most interested in knowing the methods or the source of information  for his measurement of the distance from the earth to the sun as 100 or 200 miles since they differ from the usual flat earth measurements, the most common of which is 3000 miles.

Once again, no further criticism, but just an interest in the method that iWitness used or the sources of information for his figures. Once again, I think I have explained mine in detail for his replies.

If iWitness has any questions or criticism of my questions, I will be glad to elaborate or give answers  on any points that he might need more clarification,   but I would also be glad if he would answer my questions in return.


Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: ausGeoff on December 29, 2014, 11:53:44 PM
This a repeated request for a reply from iWitness

I just want to know how he obtained his figures and will not question his results.

Unfortunately, as I've discovered after asking iWitness several relevant questions, he simply ignores them—despite repeated reminders.

The vast majority of his comments and/or replies are centred around his religious beliefs, and his overly-literal interpretation of the Abrahamic bible.  A few days ago, he even started an entire thread with a purely religious topic, and which escaped any censure from the moderators for some unknown reason.

It's also a given that anybody who truly believes in the existence of supernatural entities and/or paranormal phenomena really has no place commenting on any nominally science-based forum.  For those reasons, I'd suggest you're only wasting your time and your bandwidth in expecting any sort of credible responses from the guy.  He's obviously living on another planet LOL.  Even if he claims it doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: robintex on December 30, 2014, 08:02:48 AM
This a repeated request for a reply from iWitness

I just want to know how he obtained his figures and will not question his results.

Unfortunately, as I've discovered after asking iWitness several relevant questions, he simply ignores them—despite repeated reminders.

The vast majority of his comments and/or replies are centred around his religious beliefs, and his overly-literal interpretation of the Abrahamic bible.  A few days ago, he even started an entire thread with a purely religious topic, and which escaped any censure from the moderators for some unknown reason.

It's also a given that anybody who truly believes in the existence of supernatural entities and/or paranormal phenomena really has no place commenting on any nominally science-based forum.  For those reasons, I'd suggest you're only wasting your time and your bandwidth in expecting any sort of credible responses from the guy.  He's obviously living on another planet LOL.  Even if he claims it doesn't exist.

I thought I would give it another try. Hope springs eternal. :(
But...I really believe my repeated requests only proves your point. (And mine, too.)

I'm just interested in the 100 to 200 mile distance from the earth to the sun. ???
So I will just limit my question to just that one.

I think he said it was from the rays from the sun in the photo. ???
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But which rays ? There seem to be several in the photo ? ???

I'm not going to make a reply to that. I await his explanation.

It seems I'm back - off the banned list, that is - so I shall try to be more careful and make no more "off topic" postings. But my question does have to do with the topic.:
"RE:Measure The FE Distance To The Sun"
Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: ausGeoff on December 30, 2014, 11:56:12 PM
I'm just interested in the 100 to 200 mile distance from the earth to the sun.

I think he said it was from the rays from the sun in the photo.


Firstly, iWitness obviously knows nothing about photography, and seems to genuinely think the image he posted shows the sun's "rays".  But in fact it doesn't.

The effect is caused by the optical construction of the various lens groups within the camera, and is called a "starburst" effect.  To make a long explanation short, a smaller aperture will exaggerate the rays of light you see when compared to a wider aperture.  When your aperture becomes small, the blades will create stronger angles which produce this effect as the light hits the sensor. When you shoot wide open, your aperture will be more round, giving you a softer light source.  And the number of "points" is equal to twice the number of blades in the aperture (or iris) of the lens.
When you have a light source that is significantly brighter than the surrounding environment (such as the sun during the day, or almost any kind of light at night), the starburst effect becomes more apparent.

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It seems I'm back - off the banned list, that is - so I shall try to be more careful and make no more "off topic" postings.

It's interesting to note that there's obviously two sets of rules on these forums as far as moderation goes;  one set for flat earthers, and a more repressive set for round earthers.  iWitness's religious topic, and his repeated off-topic religious ramblings are an obvious example.  And people such as sceptimatic, cikljamas, Pongo, Heiwa, and Charles Bloomington get away with repeated infringements of the forum's rules, but never seem to earn public reprimands.  Even the repeated use of the "F" word by cikljamas draws no rebuke.  It seems that all too often, warnings are directed at the round earthers when we touch a flat earth raw nerve, or ask legitimate questions that the flat earthers have no credible answers for.

In fact I see you (and me) as a couple of the more credible round earth respondents here, but conversely a couple of the most often rebuked.

Life's strange ain't it?    ;D


Title: Re: Measure the FE distance to the sun.
Post by: robintex on December 31, 2014, 09:48:01 AM
C'est la vie  ;D Deja vu. Et cetera, et cetera and so forth.  LOL.

PS- I am well aware of the "star burst" effect. I thought it also could be "lens flare."
I have gotten some of pictures like those....Some I didn't want ! LOL. I have used a special filter to get the same effect. But I'm just an amateur. Apparently there aren't even any amateur photographers in the flat earther ranks. Or if there are, they have just kept quiet about it. It would just be too close to being scientific !

But back on topic. iWitness' photos prove nothing about the size or distance of the sun. And they can deny the facts all they want to, but it still won't change the facts.

I think this website, among other things, is a terrible example of the double standard when it comes to the subjects of off-topic and de-railing.