The Flat Earth Society
The Flat Earth Society => Suggestions & Concerns => Topic started by: Cartesian on November 30, 2014, 11:02:28 AM
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Hi all, I haven't visited this site for ages. I noticed that now it is much slower to navigate than before. Or is it just me?
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I think it has been slow for a few days. Digit stuff I recon.
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I blame it on NASA.
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The site's server is running at the speed of a turtle through molasses at the moment—5/6/7 December.
Can somebody at admin please take a look? Thanks. :)
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Yes, it has been very slow for the last several years. I wish this would be fixed. Maybe Parsifal has some suggestions?
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Yes, it has been very slow for the last several years. I wish this would be fixed. Maybe Parsifal has some suggestions?
I think his suggestion is tfes.org.
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I noticed that it's a bit faster today with 166 Guests, 21 Users (1 Hidden)
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It runs like shit.
Someone needs to liaise with the hosting company...but I guess this isn't going to happen.
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Pinging the server gives me a RTT of 250ms average. There's the answer.
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Is Daniel still in charge? He was always very disinterested in site maintenance.
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I hope that the reunification thing goes through soon so that we can get Parsifal and PizzaPlanet to give the site a decent tune up.
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I hope that the reunification thing goes through soon so that we can get Parsifal and PizzaPlanet to give the site a decent tune up.
Er... wasn't Pizzaplanet banned for a year due to deliberately sabotaging the site? Are you sure he's the best person to do that?
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I hope that the reunification thing goes through soon so that we can get Parsifal and PizzaPlanet to give the site a decent tune up.
Er... wasn't Pizzaplanet banned for a year due to deliberately sabotaging the site? Are you sure he's the best person to do that?
He was a framed by the conspiracy.
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Er... wasn't Pizzaplanet banned for a year due to deliberately sabotaging the site? Are you sure he's the best person to do that?
I'm confident that I've proven my competence throughout the year at the sister site (https://www.%74%66%65%73.org). Whether or not you choose to believe that I'm a super hot-shot malicious destructor is entirely up to you, but regardless of that both sides decided to put this incident aside for the greater good.
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I wasn't there when the incident happened so I can't comment on that. But one thing is for sure, the speed of this website really sucks!
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I wasn't there when the incident happened so I can't comment on that. But one thing is for sure, the speed of this website really sucks!
Unfortunately, it seems to be deteriorating every day. I dunno why the sysops here don't do something about it. ???
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Primarily because there aren't any sysops here at the present.
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I visit a lot of other websites from time to time.
This one is the only one that seems to have this problem.
Why is that ?
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I visit a lot of other websites from time to time.
This one is the only one that seems to have this problem.
Why is that ?
Primarily because there aren't any sysops here at the present.
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Pinging the server gives me a RTT of 250ms average. There's the answer.
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How many pings did you send to get this average? Four? That's entirely too small a sample size. You need at least thirty data points to get a proper average.
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Pinging the server gives me a RTT of 250ms average. There's the answer.
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How many pings did you send to get this average? Four? That's entirely too small a sample size. You need at least thirty data points to get a proper average.
How do you ping this and calculate it? (Mac)
Website is like...13x faster now! :D
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How many pings did you send to get this average? Four? That's entirely too small a sample size. You need at least thirty data points to get a proper average.
I ping it most days. The average ping for most other servers is around 45ms RTT. I've been using the internet for around 25 years, so I do have some idea of what I'm doing LOL.
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Yeah, if everyone just moved to TFES, that would be great. Here I click on things, and then work on other stuff until the page finally loads.
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Someone must have fed the server flat cookies.
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Hmm... I wonder if the fact that there are currently 200 guests and 45 users has anything to do with the site's performance. I looked at a few of these new "users" and it looks like they might be spambots that just haven't posted anything yet.
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Or maybe due to some Denial Of Service attack which forces the provider to throttle the access to the website.
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Yeah, if everyone just moved to TFES, that would be great. Here I click on things, and then work on other stuff until the page finally loads.
That's what I have been doing this morning. Every other website worked just fine. It is only this one that is tediously slow. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. LOL. Well, not really, something is rotten on The Flat Earth Society Forum website.
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Yeah, if everyone just moved to TFES, that would be great. Here I click on things, and then work on other stuff until the page finally loads.
I moved over there, but man the RE people are massively out numbered there, less fruit cakes and far more people who have actually thought through the FET.
Also they seem to actually have debate skills there. I'm impressed.
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Hmm... I wonder if the fact that there are currently 200 guests and 45 users has anything to do with the site's performance. I looked at a few of these new "users" and it looks like they might be spambots that just haven't posted anything yet.
It's going to be a big factor, but likely not the actual cause. A well-run site should be able to handle this sort of traffic without any major issues. Reducing the bot traffic would likely help things temporarily, but that's not really the way to solve the problem.
Also, the reason so many spambots register here but don't post is that the spam prevention used here doesn't really target registrations. The solution at tfes.org takes a very different approach - we try to stop spambots from registering, so we don't have to worry about them trying to post.
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A well-run site...
You're new here, aren't you?
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Yeah, if everyone just moved to TFES, that would be great. Here I click on things, and then work on other stuff until the page finally loads.
Yeppers... me too. I get a lot more done that way LOL.
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How many pings did you send to get this average? Four? That's entirely too small a sample size. You need at least thirty data points to get a proper average.
I ping it most days. The average ping for most other servers is around 45ms RTT. I've been using the internet for around 25 years, so I do have some idea of what I'm doing LOL.
Evidently not. The distance from Sydney, Australia (where I live) to Fremont, California (a hub of activity on the Pacific) is approximately 40 light-milliseconds. A RTT from Australia to any server in the USA (where both this site and tfes.org are hosted) is going to be at least 80 ms; practically, it will be more because you don't have a straight-line optic fibre connection to the remote host.
Packet round-trip times have absolutely nothing to do with why this site is (was?) slow. It's all slowness in the application, not the network.
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It's all slowness in the application, not the network.
I still believe that its slowness was due to a rogue attack rather than application design. It was sluggish with just few users and fast with a lot of users. Its speed didn't depend on its apparent load, so it couldn't have been simply caused by application design.
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I still believe that its slowness was due to a rogue attack rather than application design. It was sluggish with just few users and fast with a lot of users. Its speed didn't depend on its apparent load, so it couldn't have been simply caused by application design.
I didn't say it was the application design, I said it was the application (as opposed to the network stack) that was slow, for reasons unknown. I won't speculate as to specific causes, as it's always difficult to pin things down without the ability to troubleshoot directly.
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I think this is done by Google to sway people away. This site is ridiculously slow!!!!
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I think this is done by Google to sway people away. This site is ridiculously slow!!!!
Yes, I'm sure that's how it works.
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I for one would like to thank the site administrators for slowing down the response time. It takes anywhere from 20 to 30 seconds for a response to my mouse clicks. That's just perfect for my slower neural net.
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I for one would like to thank the site administrators for slowing down the response time. It takes anywhere from 20 to 30 seconds for a response to my mouse clicks. That's just perfect for my slower neural net.
I have timed the delay today to be about 15 seconds today at this time. Other websites such as tfes.org are almost instantaneous responses.
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I'd guess something is hogging the cpu, the admins need to look closely at what processes are running,
I wouldn't be surprised to find that the site maintenance is a bit hit and miss, and it's possible that someone has hacked the server, one of my son's servers got hacked last year, and when asked to look at it for him, I found a number of bitcoin miners running, they exploited a known PHP scripting vulnerability, and they also managed to insert a cron-job that re-created the bitcoin miners if they were deleted. No other damage, and the bitcoin miner process names were not immediately suspicious.
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I'd guess something is hogging the cpu, the admins need to look closely at what processes are running,
I wouldn't be surprised to find that the site maintenance is a bit hit and miss, and it's possible that someone has hacked the server, one of my son's servers got hacked last year, and when asked to look at it for him, I found a number of bitcoin miners running, they exploited a known PHP scripting vulnerability, and they also managed to insert a cron-job that re-created the bitcoin miners if they were deleted. No other damage, and the bitcoin miner process names were not immediately suspicious.
That wouldn't be surprising. Or maybe it just needs a reboot.
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Seems to be faster today?
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Seems to be faster today?
10 bucks says they rebooted the server
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Seems to be faster today?
Yes. Much better. Thanks for the improvement whatever you had to do !
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Maybe I don't know what a slow website feels like, but it is still taking like 10-15 seconds to load a page for me.
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Maybe I don't know what a slow website feels like, but it is still taking like 10-15 seconds to load a page for me.
That seems to be the problem and it seems to be only on this website. I thought it was better yesterday, but the problems seems to be back again. When you post or try to load it should be almost instantaneous but it is taking 10 to 15 seconds as you mentioned. I don't know if it has to do with the time of day or the activity. It seemed to be acting fairly normal yesterday evening but it's running slow at this time.
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Sometimes it takes me literally minutes to load a page. You feel lucky about only having to wait 10 or 15 seconds.
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It's becoming fat too irritating to post. This has been going on for a good few weeks with only the odd few hours being bearable for quicker posting.
It appears the admin don't give a shit about the place. Maybe because it's just a forum and not the society itself.
It'll be full of bots soon and no posters.
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Everyone migrate to tfes.org.
They care over there.
Even with flat earth fantasies , most of the threads do make some sense on tfes.org.
I've been making some observations. I have observed response times on this website have varied from 3 to 16 seconds. It seems to be random.
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Up to 16 seconds delay today.
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Some ping info:
Pinging [url=http://www.theflatearthsociety.org.cdn.cloudflare.net]www.theflatearthsociety.org.cdn.cloudflare.net[/url] [104.28.28.107] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 104.28.28.107: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=56
Reply from 104.28.28.107: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=56
Reply from 104.28.28.107: bytes=32 time=21ms TTL=56
Reply from 104.28.28.107: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=56
Ping statistics for 104.28.28.107:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 14ms, Maximum = 21ms, Average = 17ms
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The performance of the website has been much better for a while now. Whatever whoever did to fix the problem, thanks!
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It seems the problem is back again. (30 January 2016 10:00 PM CDST)
I used "modify" to correct some typos and then "save" . It only took 45 seconds for the post to reappear again after hitting "save." !!!! :(
Once again, it's not my computer . All the other websites act almost instantaneous.
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It seems the problem is back again. (30 January 2016 10:00 PM CDST)
I used "modify" to correct some typos and then "save" . It only took 45 seconds for the post to reappear again after hitting "save." !!!! :(
Once again, it's not my computer . All the other websites act almost instantaneous.
It seems like we are being hit by another DDoS attack. One of the spambots I got rid of this morning even had a link in his signature that said "How to stop DDoS attack." Of course, I did not click the link.
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Jroa, I was mooching through the members online earlier and I swear there was about 9-10 new names online. clicking through them they had all 0 forum posts and all were "viewing the profile of" themselves. I have very little experience of forum design or web stuff in general but I guess that's a bit odd. something to do with an attack? don't know if this helps.
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The performance of the website has been much better for a while now. Whatever whoever did to fix the problem, thanks!
You are welcome
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I use several websites for reference.
But why is this website the only one I have found that has this problem ?
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I use several websites for reference.
But why is this website the only one I have found that has this problem ?
Currently we have 564 guests and that has held steady for hours. I can only assume we are being DDOS right now.
We do have some underlying issues that affect our speed. I've solved some of those but we really need to set up our servers a bit better. This is on my roadmap once I get some time+money
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It's the aether slowing your flat electrons down. Globe websites don't have this problem
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Maybe the acceleration rate of the UA is slowing down and not pushing the data as fast as it used to be ?
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Let's stay on topic. This is S&C.
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I'm here from the sister site tfes.org, and yea-- I'm definitely noticing a drop in speed.
It's not awful or anything, but it's undeniably slower.
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DDoS attack. Apparently, someone is butthurt over the shape of the Earth.
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Why does just this site seem to be targeted since there is no effect noticed on the sister site tfes.org ?
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Why does just this site seem to be targeted since there is no effect noticed on the sister site tfes.org ?
Are you implying that someone on the sister site is causing the DDoS attack? Do you have any evidence to back up your implications?
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Why does just this site seem to be targeted since there is no effect noticed on the sister site tfes.org ?
Because the kind of trolls that'd attack this site probably wouldn't read enough of it to know there's even a sister site.
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Why does just this site seem to be targeted since there is no effect noticed on the sister site tfes.org ?
Are you implying that someone on the sister site is causing the DDoS attack? Do you have any evidence to back up your implications?
No.....Just wondering why there is so much difference between the two websites ? The other site just
Updated to a new format.
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Why does just this site seem to be targeted since there is no effect noticed on the sister site tfes.org ?
Are you implying that someone on the sister site is causing the DDoS attack? Do you have any evidence to back up your implications?
No.....Just wondering why there is so much difference between the two websites ? The other site just
Updated to a new format.
The other site barely has a half dozen people on line at any given time. Are you seriously questioning why a site that has so little traffic runs faster than one that has hundreds of guests on line at any given time? Do you understand what bandwidth means?
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Why does just this site seem to be targeted since there is no effect noticed on the sister site tfes.org ?
[libel] Because we allowed Pizza Planet back after his previous ban for doing the same thing. [/libel]
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PP is not as bad as he used to be.
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PP is not as bad as he used to be.
That statement could be re-worded as "PP used to be even worse than he is now."
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Has this site been under a constant DDoS attack for the last month?
Trying to see someone's posts just says "server under heavy stress" after a 15 second wait.
Maybe its time to add some non-intrusive advertising? Then you guys could pay for better hosting service with the traffic you've been getting lately (around 400k per month).