The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: neimoka on November 09, 2014, 12:09:07 PM
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I've asked this in a few threads but haven't received any answers, so I'll just start a thread for it. Maybe it will attract an answer. So:
Observing the night sky, angular distances between extrasolar objects remains the same throughout the night. Easy way to see this is to look at constellations, and see if they change their shape from dusk to dawn: they do not. Is there a fet model of celestial mechanics consistent with this fact? If there is, I have not seen any mention of it. To make observing this even easier, get a planetarium software such as stellarium (http://www.stellarium.org/) - free and open source - see how it works in the "re model", go out and see if it's the same or not.
Some fe'rs have insisted repeatedly that this observation is "incorrect" (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=18122.msg319759#msg319759), and that the stars would actually move closer and further away from each other throughout the night. They are mistaken, of course - or can you show why they are in fact correct in this?
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That is a good point. You can tell by the fe silence.
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LOL..... five days on and still no response from the flat earthers. Sad really. But expected.
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Having spent some more time dabbling with astrophotography this winter I though I'd give this topic a bump; it's been a while, maybe fet has developed a working model by now?
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Having spent some more time dabbling with astrophotography this winter I though I'd give this topic a bump; it's been a while, maybe fet has developed a working model by now?
Unfortunately, you'll find that flat earthers will invariably avoid addressing any legitimate round earth questions that are based on accepted, empirical, scientific observations and evidence that they can't (supposedly) refute with a simple throw-away one-liner comment. When it comes to providing any viable evidence of their own in order to contradict long-established science, they all suddenly go very, very quiet—exactly as happened here.
This is a common trait on the FES forums; if a round earther raises a question that can't be addressed using flat earth theory, then it's simply ignored, and allowed to disappear over time never to be seen again. Or so they hope.
I'm pleased that you've resurrected your original constellation question, and it'll be interesting to see if any flat earthers are game to take on the challenge. I'm betting they won't, but I'm always prepared to stand corrected.
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If they don't, we can keep using this principle to win all the arguments against FET. :D
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They can't even map the earth, how can they be expected to map the stars?
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the whirlpool stars are located in remains the same. the paths will be constant, their velocities will be constant relative to one another. it's simple.
the reason no one's responded is because anyone with a brain can see you're scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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the whirlpool stars are located in remains the same. the paths will be constant, their velocities will be constant relative to one another. it's simple.
the reason no one's responded is because anyone with a brain can see you're scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Yes, FET is certainly the bottom of the barrel. So stars keep the same angular position, and the rotate about two different points in the norther and southern hemisphere. So this whirlpool of stars must be moving relative to a spherical earth. Well done, thanks for affirming RET.
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No-one responded to me in Q and A regarding Equatorial Mounts and meteor showers either.....
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the whirlpool stars are located in remains the same. the paths will be constant, their velocities will be constant relative to one another. it's simple.
the reason no one's responded is because anyone with a brain can see you're scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Yes, FET is certainly the bottom of the barrel. So stars keep the same angular position, and the rotate about two different points in the norther and southern hemisphere. So this whirlpool of stars must be moving relative to a spherical earth. Well done, thanks for affirming RET.
if you can't be bothered to read, what is the point of you coming here? stars travel faster in the outside of the whirlpool as the aether is less dense before it meets in the center. that is why they seem to move at similar speeds. your imagining of a sphere is not the only explanation. they rotate around the center, the pole at the center of the world, as this is the center of the whirlpool (as the world is the cause of it). you think the world is symmetrical, so you should be able to see that circular movement on a flat disc will give the same result.
your unwillingness to use your brain is your problem, not mine.
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the whirlpool stars are located in remains the same. the paths will be constant, their velocities will be constant relative to one another. it's simple.
the reason no one's responded is because anyone with a brain can see you're scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Yes, FET is certainly the bottom of the barrel. So stars keep the same angular position, and the rotate about two different points in the norther and southern hemisphere. So this whirlpool of stars must be moving relative to a spherical earth. Well done, thanks for affirming RET.
if you can't be bothered to read, what is the point of you coming here? stars travel faster in the outside of the whirlpool as the aether is less dense before it meets in the center. that is why they seem to move at similar speeds. your imagining of a sphere is not the only explanation. they rotate around the center, the pole at the center of the world, as this is the center of the whirlpool (as the world is the cause of it). you think the world is symmetrical, so you should be able to see that circular movement on a flat disc will give the same result.
your unwillingness to use your brain is your problem, not mine.
Problem being that 'circular motion' over a flat disk does not give the same result. Or if it's just that we're not getting what you're trying to describe, could you elaborate, or maybe provide a diagram?
In a thread I linked to above a fe'r was trying to explain away motion of celestial objects with two celestial domes, one for northern and other for southern hemispheres. This fails for obvious reasons. How is the model you're proposing different?
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the whirlpool stars are located in remains the same. the paths will be constant, their velocities will be constant relative to one another. it's simple.
the reason no one's responded is because anyone with a brain can see you're scraping the bottom of the barrel.
from http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62851.0#.VOoun_nF-ap (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62851.0#.VOoun_nF-ap)
stars planets & moons are all reflected pogections. There's no out of space , there's only earth
Which one of you is correct? and JRowe, can you keep your explanations straight please.
from http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=1660956;topic=62851.20 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=1660956;topic=62851.20)
don't trust everything you hear, especially from people known to just be out for money.
you haven't verified it yourself, and it's something no one would even try to because you all blindly follow science, and why would you buy a plane ticket to the poles and stare upward hoping to memorize the stars?
aside from plenty of possible routes, how hard would it seriously be to get a plane to fly in a circle? fake stars ahoy. they want you to think the earth isn't flat. think for yourself, don't believe everything you're told.
hmm, from same thread
i did not say every star, i said that stars could be faked. any time they show the truth, that the earth is not round, it is a simple task to charter a plane to fly the route.
i did not say it has always been done, but it is an example of how the truth can easily be hidden from those who do not think for themselves. how do you even know what people saw before? information can be faked. history is lied about. that is how the world works. you see what they want you to see.
Here's the issue. Because the stars that were faked would be in planes, and therefore lower because not in the aether, someone viewing them against other stars in the sky would look radically different in terms of relative position to true stars over just a small, short distance (less than 7 miles). Furthermore, at maximum cruising altitude, even the F5U Flying Pancake, on of the lowest stall speed planes every created, could not fly slowly enough to maintain flight while tracking the star's path. Weather ballons could not move quickly enough nor accurately enough to keep a position. Finally, you have given two explanations at odds with each other to explain the same gaping hole in your version of FET
I have come to the conclusion you do not believe in FET, and you are simply here for attention and entertainment. I will not longer reply to or acknowledge your posts because they are absolutely garbage in every logical way a human being could contrive.
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Which one of you is correct?
Most members here have their own theories. It's a pain to keep track of them, but there isn't really any agreed upon FET. Don't expect the two of them to agree.
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Which one of you is correct?
Most members here have their own theories. It's a pain to keep track of them, but there isn't really any agreed upon FET. Don't expect the two of them to agree.
What do I do when two theories from the same person don't agree with each other?
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What do I do when two theories from the same person don't agree with each other?
With JRowe, brace yourself, he seems to have a temper.
Otherwise, wait and see. If they're serious, you'll either get a rationalization or "thank you for informing me, now I see that ____ is really the case." If they're a troll, an increasingly elaborate explanation.
I just meant that it was asking a bit much to have them argue amongst themselves, when it's a problem with every FEer on this site.
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Most members here have their own theories. It's a pain to keep track of them, but there isn't really any agreed upon FET. Don't expect the two of them to agree.
Totally agree. I'm guessing that I've seem more than a dozen different personal opinions of what the purported flat earth looks like, what its maps look like, what the heavens look like, how the sun and moon work, what gravity is or isn't, etc etc etc.
BTW Jane, ask sceptimatic to explain his "theory" of denpressure to you. It totally refutes the theory of gravity, and also redefines mass, weight, pressure, force and friction, as well as atomic electromagnetic attraction. He's got it all worked out, and has a working formula defining it.
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So stars are actually airplanes now or what? Jesus hell this is even dumber than I thought it would get. And I've been here before too.
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So stars are actually airplanes now or what? Jesus hell this is even dumber than I thought it would get. And I've been here before too.
So JRoweSkeptic said: "I did not say every star, I said that stars could be faked. Any time they show the truth, that the earth is not round, it is a simple task to charter a plane to fly the route".
Does this mean that they (who?) have a huge fleet of planes for all the major constellations, that fly exactly the same route every night of the year, equipped with a powerful spotlight mounted on their fuselages, and aimed accurately and variably at the earth, and with their navigation lights all turned off, and in complete radio silence, and radar-invisible, and at sufficient altitudes so as to be unheard from the ground? AND that are capable of flying at around 5 knots!
—William of Ockham must be rolling in his grave. ;D
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AND that are capable of flying at around 5 knots!
This one pretty much seals the deal. JRoweSkeptic forgot how slow stars move across the sky at night- planes can't fly that slow and also fly directly upwards.
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So we settle our case then. FET cannot account for the seeming celestial sphere.
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fake stars is a remnant. before i had incorporated the aether into my theory, it was useful. it is not necessary for me now, though i find it amusing your entire argument against it rests on knowing the capabilities of militaries whose job it is to keep what they can do secret. the fact all you can do is focus on one minor element shows your desperation.
now the aether is a fine explanation: unpeel your model of the world, along with the views of the stars. the star paths are not affected by whether or not the world is flat. the whirlpool allows faster movement at the outer fringes, where it is thinner. i can see of nothing that is not obviously explained by this. stars move through the aether. until you can provide clear evidence that the same stars are visible from each side of the earth, without appealing to spoon-fed and false information, there is nothing else to discuss.
i am also curious about the effect aether has on light, so this may be a further explanation even should such stars exist, but i will need to think further. i am still considering the full effects of aether. the outside of the whirlpool is an odd place however, where aether has split from the primary current as it flows inward. a lot of odd behavior could occur there, such as reflection. i expect to convince no one of that until i have a chance to further consider.
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Check out Michelson–Morley experiment for the effects of aether.
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Check out Michelson–Morley experiment for the effects of aether.
i have explained numerous times that there is little to no aether on earth. it increases as you ascend, with each whirlpool increasing its thickness. it stands to reason that the depth of aether that exists only far above, and immediately to the sides, of the earth will affect light more than the lack of it on earth.
if you cannot be bothered to read what i am saying please do not reply.
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fake stars is a remnant. before i had incorporated the aether into my theory, it was useful. it is not necessary for me now, though i find it amusing your entire argument against it rests on knowing the capabilities of militaries whose job it is to keep what they can do secret. the fact all you can do is focus on one minor element shows your desperation.
now the aether is a fine explanation: unpeel your model of the world, along with the views of the stars. the star paths are not affected by whether or not the world is flat. the whirlpool allows faster movement at the outer fringes, where it is thinner. i can see of nothing that is not obviously explained by this. stars move through the aether. until you can provide clear evidence that the same stars are visible from each side of the earth, without appealing to spoon-fed and false information, there is nothing else to discuss.
i am also curious about the effect aether has on light, so this may be a further explanation even should such stars exist, but i will need to think further. i am still considering the full effects of aether. the outside of the whirlpool is an odd place however, where aether has split from the primary current as it flows inward. a lot of odd behavior could occur there, such as reflection. i expect to convince no one of that until i have a chance to further consider.
When are you going to explain how stars circle around the south celestial pole in your model?
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I have explained numerous times that there is little to no aether on earth. It increases as you ascend, with each whirlpool increasing its thickness.
Can you please cite a couple of accredited scientists who support this hypothesis? Or is it nothing more than a guess on your part? Empirical evidence is of the utmost importance whenever scientific theories are involved.
No evidence = no hypothesis = no theory. Sorry.
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Check out Michelson–Morley experiment for the effects of aether.
That experiment disproved luminiferous aether, which is similar to our aether but also completely different.
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fake stars is a remnant. before i had incorporated the aether into my theory, it was useful. it is not necessary for me now, though i find it amusing your entire argument against it rests on knowing the capabilities of militaries whose job it is to keep what they can do secret. the fact all you can do is focus on one minor element shows your desperation.
now the aether is a fine explanation: unpeel your model of the world, along with the views of the stars. the star paths are not affected by whether or not the world is flat. the whirlpool allows faster movement at the outer fringes, where it is thinner. i can see of nothing that is not obviously explained by this. stars move through the aether. until you can provide clear evidence that the same stars are visible from each side of the earth, without appealing to spoon-fed and false information, there is nothing else to discuss.
i am also curious about the effect aether has on light, so this may be a further explanation even should such stars exist, but i will need to think further. i am still considering the full effects of aether. the outside of the whirlpool is an odd place however, where aether has split from the primary current as it flows inward. a lot of odd behavior could occur there, such as reflection. i expect to convince no one of that until i have a chance to further consider.
Saying that stars are fake when discussing celestial mechanics is hardly a minor detail. If that's showing desperation it is entirely for your part.
By "proving that same stars are visible in different locations" you're implying exactly what? That constellation orion that I see is not the same constellation orion that is visible at the same time to someone located further south?
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JRoweSkeptic writes as though his absurd notion of some "aetheric whirlpool" actually exists, and bases many of his "conclusions" on this major non sequitur.
He describes his fantastical imaginings as "my theory" when in fact no such theory exists; it's nothing more than a bizarre notion proposed by someone who apparently has no formal training in geophysics, astrophysics or astronomy. As a science fiction writer, he'd give L Ron Hubbard a run for his money LOL.
He says: "I am still considering the full effects of aether" as though this will lead to a major breakthrough in science. But it's like saying he's "considering" the colour and length of a unicorn's horn.
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so... is it so that there is no working fe model?
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so... is it so that there is no working fe model?
It's settled.
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so... is it so that there is no working fe model?
It's settled.
There is no working fe model for ANYTHING!
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there is no complete model yet. there is no complete round earther model yet, you still struggle with such a basic part of your fantasy as gravity, and you have the benefit of discarding reality and a multi-billion dollar budget behind it. why do you expect us to do fantastically well when everything we're taught are round earther lies?
most of your question is bs of the highest order. stars rotate around the central pole. if you curl the flat earth and contract the outer wall so that it meets at the south pole in your model, you will get the same basic movements. the aetheric whirlpool explains this. the only possible thing you could take issue with is how stars may become visible when they cross over what you call the south pole, or go near it. i suspect this is to do with the rush of pure aether closer to the edge of the world. it may carry light also.
ausgeoff, i have no intention of derailing this thread with why i believe the world is flat. if you want to ask, start another thread. this is not the time or place to explain the origins or proof of aether. you asked for the flat earth explanation, i have provide.d moving the goalposts is a bad habit. try not to do it again.
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there is no complete model yet. there is no complete round earther model yet, you still struggle with such a basic part of your fantasy as gravity, and you have the benefit of discarding reality and a multi-billion dollar budget behind it. why do you expect us to do fantastically well when everything we're taught are round earther lies?
most of your question is bs of the highest order. stars rotate around the central pole. if you curl the flat earth and contract the outer wall so that it meets at the south pole in your model, you will get the same basic movements. the aetheric whirlpool explains this. the only possible thing you could take issue with is how stars may become visible when they cross over what you call the south pole, or go near it. i suspect this is to do with the rush of pure aether closer to the edge of the world. it may carry light also.
ausgeoff, i have no intention of derailing this thread with why i believe the world is flat. if you want to ask, start another thread. this is not the time or place to explain the origins or proof of aether. you asked for the flat earth explanation, i have provide.d moving the goalposts is a bad habit. try not to do it again.
We don't struggle with gravity at all. There is a clear and concise equation that can predict gravity's effect every time with 100% accuracy. If you mean we aren't sure what it is, then sure.
But we also don't know what magnetism is, does that make it fake?
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there is no complete model yet. there is no complete round earther model yet, you still struggle with such a basic part of your fantasy as gravity, and you have the benefit of discarding reality and a multi-billion dollar budget behind it. why do you expect us to do fantastically well when everything we're taught are round earther lies?
most of your question is bs of the highest order. stars rotate around the central pole. if you curl the flat earth and contract the outer wall so that it meets at the south pole in your model, you will get the same basic movements. the aetheric whirlpool explains this. the only possible thing you could take issue with is how stars may become visible when they cross over what you call the south pole, or go near it. i suspect this is to do with the rush of pure aether closer to the edge of the world. it may carry light also.
ausgeoff, i have no intention of derailing this thread with why i believe the world is flat. if you want to ask, start another thread. this is not the time or place to explain the origins or proof of aether. you asked for the flat earth explanation, i have provide.d moving the goalposts is a bad habit. try not to do it again.
We don't struggle with gravity at all. There is a clear and concise equation that can predict gravity's effect every time with 100% accuracy. If you mean we aren't sure what it is, then sure.
But we also don't know what magnetism is, does that make it fake?
Touché... Science doesn't know it all, but has evidence of what it knows.
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there is no complete model yet. there is no complete round earther model yet, you still struggle with such a basic part of your fantasy as gravity, and you have the benefit of discarding reality and a multi-billion dollar budget behind it. why do you expect us to do fantastically well when everything we're taught are round earther lies?
most of your question is bs of the highest order. stars rotate around the central pole. if you curl the flat earth and contract the outer wall so that it meets at the south pole in your model, you will get the same basic movements. the aetheric whirlpool explains this. the only possible thing you could take issue with is how stars may become visible when they cross over what you call the south pole, or go near it. i suspect this is to do with the rush of pure aether closer to the edge of the world. it may carry light also.
ausgeoff, i have no intention of derailing this thread with why i believe the world is flat. if you want to ask, start another thread. this is not the time or place to explain the origins or proof of aether. you asked for the flat earth explanation, i have provide.d moving the goalposts is a bad habit. try not to do it again.
There's a huge difference between not being able to explain a phenomena, and that phenomena being a direct contradiction to your model. The fact that gravity exists does not contradict our model. Whether we can explain it or not is irrelevant. However, the fact that stars circle around the south celestial pole in reality is a direct contradiction to your model. Therefore, you need to provide evidence to whatever bullshit you need to explain it. If you have none, then your model is wrong.
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there is no complete model yet. there is no complete round earther model yet, you still struggle with such a basic part of your fantasy as gravity, and you have the benefit of discarding reality and a multi-billion dollar budget behind it. why do you expect us to do fantastically well when everything we're taught are round earther lies?
most of your question is bs of the highest order. stars rotate around the central pole. if you curl the flat earth and contract the outer wall so that it meets at the south pole in your model, you will get the same basic movements. the aetheric whirlpool explains this. the only possible thing you could take issue with is how stars may become visible when they cross over what you call the south pole, or go near it. i suspect this is to do with the rush of pure aether closer to the edge of the world. it may carry light also.
ausgeoff, i have no intention of derailing this thread with why i believe the world is flat. if you want to ask, start another thread. this is not the time or place to explain the origins or proof of aether. you asked for the flat earth explanation, i have provide.d moving the goalposts is a bad habit. try not to do it again.
There's a huge difference between not being able to explain a phenomena, and that phenomena being a direct contradiction to your model. The fact that gravity exists does not contradict our model. Whether we can explain it or not is irrelevant. However, the fact that stars circle around the south celestial pole in reality is a direct contradiction to your model. Therefore, you need to provide evidence to whatever bullshit you need to explain it. If you have none, then your model is wrong.
are you incapable of reading? it is not a direct contradiction in any fucking way. your round earth model is symmetric. when it is unpeeled, rotation around the two poles can perfectly be described as rotation around the one. Rotate something around the outer edge of a circle, you'll just get another circle inside it, exactly as you would if you rotated around a point on a sphere.
think before you speak. i have proposed an explanation for the few odd behaviors remaining. pretending i haven't shows you're either illiterate or unable to deny the truth.
i'm not even going to ask you to think for yourself. i'd be satisfied if you just used thought at all.
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there is no complete model yet. there is no complete round earther model yet, you still struggle with such a basic part of your fantasy as gravity, and you have the benefit of discarding reality and a multi-billion dollar budget behind it. why do you expect us to do fantastically well when everything we're taught are round earther lies?
most of your question is bs of the highest order. stars rotate around the central pole. if you curl the flat earth and contract the outer wall so that it meets at the south pole in your model, you will get the same basic movements. the aetheric whirlpool explains this. the only possible thing you could take issue with is how stars may become visible when they cross over what you call the south pole, or go near it. i suspect this is to do with the rush of pure aether closer to the edge of the world. it may carry light also.
ausgeoff, i have no intention of derailing this thread with why i believe the world is flat. if you want to ask, start another thread. this is not the time or place to explain the origins or proof of aether. you asked for the flat earth explanation, i have provide.d moving the goalposts is a bad habit. try not to do it again.
There's a huge difference between not being able to explain a phenomena, and that phenomena being a direct contradiction to your model. The fact that gravity exists does not contradict our model. Whether we can explain it or not is irrelevant. However, the fact that stars circle around the south celestial pole in reality is a direct contradiction to your model. Therefore, you need to provide evidence to whatever bullshit you need to explain it. If you have none, then your model is wrong.
are you incapable of reading? it is not a direct contradiction in any fucking way. your round earth model is symmetric. when it is unpeeled, rotation around the two poles can perfectly be described as rotation around the one. Rotate something around the outer edge of a circle, you'll just get another circle inside it, exactly as you would if you rotated around a point on a sphere.
think before you speak. i have proposed an explanation for the few odd behaviors remaining. pretending i haven't shows you're either illiterate or unable to deny the truth.
i'm not even going to ask you to think for yourself. i'd be satisfied if you just used thought at all.
It's kinda cute watching an idiot call other people idiots simply because those other people are so much smarter than the idiot that what they say is like magic.
Your posts make me giggle JRowe, I especially like how you say you have said something and wont provide proof you said it and act indignant towards us.
It's also really adorable how you constantly tell us to learn to read when you demonstrate a 6th grade understanding of grammar and an equivalent level of reading comprehension.
Honestly, I could just eat you right up.
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there is no complete model yet. there is no complete round earther model yet, you still struggle with such a basic part of your fantasy as gravity, and you have the benefit of discarding reality and a multi-billion dollar budget behind it. why do you expect us to do fantastically well when everything we're taught are round earther lies?
most of your question is bs of the highest order. stars rotate around the central pole. if you curl the flat earth and contract the outer wall so that it meets at the south pole in your model, you will get the same basic movements. the aetheric whirlpool explains this. the only possible thing you could take issue with is how stars may become visible when they cross over what you call the south pole, or go near it. i suspect this is to do with the rush of pure aether closer to the edge of the world. it may carry light also.
ausgeoff, i have no intention of derailing this thread with why i believe the world is flat. if you want to ask, start another thread. this is not the time or place to explain the origins or proof of aether. you asked for the flat earth explanation, i have provide.d moving the goalposts is a bad habit. try not to do it again.
Please, there are plenty of threads about gravity and other subjects. I started this one to discuss celestial mechanics.
Research equipment worth billions of dollars is not necessary for observing and explaining the geometry of basic celestial mechanics, as they are observed over the earth whatever shape it might be; ancient people managed to produce a working re model before they invented paper. I'm not asking you to explain quantum tunneling theory, just the basic geometry & mechanics that we can observe with a naked eye.
Re: the bolded part: if you simply substitute the spherical earth with a flat one, the geometries do not work out the same, not even close; that is why I started this thread in the first place. If you hadn't yet realized that the mechanics do not work out the same over earths of different shape, I can only urge you to go out and start observing; that's actually very helpful for gaining understanding of the basic motions. And if there's a mythical substance, aether or such that by some mechanism makes it work out anyway I have not seen any detailed explanations of that phenomenon that have substance beyond speculation, so perhaps you could share.
Thus, especially as you begin with "there is no working model", your response is of the highest order bs. And ofc if your only purpose in posting is to be an asshole I'm sure there are threads in cn and angry ranting where you're welcome to express yourself.
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your round earth model is symmetric. when it is unpeeled, rotation around the two poles can perfectly be described as rotation around the one. Rotate something around the outer edge of a circle, you'll just get another circle inside it, exactly as you would if you rotated around a point on a sphere.
Please explain using a visualization how your model can account for two celestial poles, one in the north, where stars circle around, and one in the south, where stars circle around.
Presently, you aren't explaining what I'm asking you to.
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your round earth model is symmetric. when it is unpeeled, rotation around the two poles can perfectly be described as rotation around the one. Rotate something around the outer edge of a circle, you'll just get another circle inside it, exactly as you would if you rotated around a point on a sphere.
Please explain using a visualization how your model can account for two celestial poles, one in the north, where stars circle around, and one in the south, where stars circle around.
Presently, you aren't explaining what I'm asking you to.
He had a pretty good one here...
stars rotate around the central pole. if you curl the flat earth and contract the outer wall so that it meets at the south pole in your model, you will get the same basic movements.
If you carefully do this so the result is close to a sphere, and do the same with the stars, then stretch the star sphere to great distance, you will get the same movements we actually see to a very high degree of fidelity.
That's all it takes. It's really pretty elegant, isn't it? This has the added benefit that distances from point to point on the surface of the Earth also match what they're measured to be.
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This just in - flat earther admits flat earth is curled into a sphere!
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your round earth model is symmetric. when it is unpeeled, rotation around the two poles can perfectly be described as rotation around the one. Rotate something around the outer edge of a circle, you'll just get another circle inside it, exactly as you would if you rotated around a point on a sphere.
Please explain using a visualization how your model can account for two celestial poles, one in the north, where stars circle around, and one in the south, where stars circle around.
Presently, you aren't explaining what I'm asking you to.
He had a pretty good one here...
stars rotate around the central pole. if you curl the flat earth and contract the outer wall so that it meets at the south pole in your model, you will get the same basic movements.
If you carefully do this so the result is close to a sphere, and do the same with the stars, then stretch the star sphere to great distance, you will get the same movements we actually see to a very high degree of fidelity.
That's all it takes. It's really pretty elegant, isn't it? This has the added benefit that distances from point to point on the surface of the Earth also match what they're measured to be.
I just realized what he was saying thanks to you. And I can't stop laughing now. He's got to be a troll.
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no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.
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try thinking.
We'll try thinking when you try pressing the shift key.
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try thinking.
We'll try thinking when you try pressing the shift key.
TRY THINKING
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try thinking.
We'll try thinking when you try pressing the shift key.
TRY THINKING
Could have been capslock.
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try thinking.
We'll try thinking when you try pressing the shift key.
TRY THINKING
Very good. Now try pressing it only at the start of sentences and when typing a proper noun.
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no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.
Measured distances only work on a round earth.
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no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.
Oh.
Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.
I eagerly await.
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no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.
Oh.
Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.
I eagerly await.
jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?
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no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.
Oh.
Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.
I eagerly await.
jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?
Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
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no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.
Oh.
Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.
I eagerly await.
jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?
Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
there's more than one. is that really the best you have?
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no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.
Oh.
Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.
I eagerly await.
jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?
Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
there's more than one. is that really the best you have?
More than one, both on the flight path between Sydney and Santiago? Heading in completely opposite directions?
Is that the best you have? Because if so, maybe you should hit that juice box and take a nap and let the adults talk.
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no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.
Oh.
Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.
I eagerly await.
jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?
Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
there's more than one. is that really the best you have?
More than one, both on the flight path between Sydney and Santiago? Heading in completely opposite directions?
Is that the best you have? Because if so, maybe you should hit that juice box and take a nap and let the adults talk.
i have thought more and answered in a thread dedicated to this topic, but your answer shows your refusal to think. you haven't offered an explanation, just crossed your fingers and hoped i wouldn't notice.
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no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.
Oh.
Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.
I eagerly await.
jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?
Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
there's more than one. is that really the best you have?
More than one, both on the flight path between Sydney and Santiago? Heading in completely opposite directions?
Is that the best you have? Because if so, maybe you should hit that juice box and take a nap and let the adults talk.
i have thought more and answered in a thread dedicated to this topic, but your answer shows your refusal to think. you haven't offered an explanation, just crossed your fingers and hoped i wouldn't notice.
Your more thought out reasoning is that the distances are wrong and the conspiracy has to grow to include airplane manufacturers, pilots, flight stewardesses, airlines, air traffic controllers and every passenger ever that brought a phone with them that has the ability to track how fast they are moving, let alone the fact that the distance can be traveled by boat, and using their speed/time you can come up to the exact same distance. Unless the boat companies are in on it too!!?
Anyways, bring your blanky too, wouldn't want you to have those bad dreams during your nap, you know you wet your bed when you do.
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no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.
Oh.
Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.
I eagerly await.
jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?
Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
there's more than one. is that really the best you have?
More than one, both on the flight path between Sydney and Santiago? Heading in completely opposite directions?
Is that the best you have? Because if so, maybe you should hit that juice box and take a nap and let the adults talk.
i have thought more and answered in a thread dedicated to this topic, but your answer shows your refusal to think. you haven't offered an explanation, just crossed your fingers and hoped i wouldn't notice.
Your more thought out reasoning is that the distances are wrong and the conspiracy has to grow to include airplane manufacturers, pilots, flight stewardesses, airlines, air traffic controllers and every passenger ever that brought a phone with them that has the ability to track how fast they are moving, let alone the fact that the distance can be traveled by boat, and using their speed/time you can come up to the exact same distance. Unless the boat companies are in on it too!!?
Anyways, bring your blanky too, wouldn't want you to have those bad dreams during your nap, you know you wet your bed when you do.
aww, do you hate dealing with the fact people want money?
think for yourself. plus you even expect phone companies, who profess to rely on made up satellites, to be honest. do you use your brain? it's a simple matter to add in some false programming to mislead.
why do you think they tell you to keep your phones off on planes anyway? if it was seriously dangerous, why would terrorists go through all that effort to sneak on bombs when they just need an iphone? are you capable of individual thought, or do you just stick to the bs spoon-fed to you?
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no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.
Oh.
Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.
I eagerly await.
jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?
Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
there's more than one. is that really the best you have?
More than one, both on the flight path between Sydney and Santiago? Heading in completely opposite directions?
Is that the best you have? Because if so, maybe you should hit that juice box and take a nap and let the adults talk.
i have thought more and answered in a thread dedicated to this topic, but your answer shows your refusal to think. you haven't offered an explanation, just crossed your fingers and hoped i wouldn't notice.
Your more thought out reasoning is that the distances are wrong and the conspiracy has to grow to include airplane manufacturers, pilots, flight stewardesses, airlines, air traffic controllers and every passenger ever that brought a phone with them that has the ability to track how fast they are moving, let alone the fact that the distance can be traveled by boat, and using their speed/time you can come up to the exact same distance. Unless the boat companies are in on it too!!?
Anyways, bring your blanky too, wouldn't want you to have those bad dreams during your nap, you know you wet your bed when you do.
aww, do you hate dealing with the fact people want money?
think for yourself. plus you even expect phone companies, who profess to rely on made up satellites, to be honest. do you use your brain? it's a simple matter to add in some false programming to mislead.
why do you think they tell you to keep your phones off on planes anyway? if it was seriously dangerous, why would terrorists go through all that effort to sneak on bombs when they just need an iphone? are you capable of individual thought, or do you just stick to the bs spoon-fed to you?
Not really, I want money too. What I don't understand is why you seem to think that millions of people can be in on this and not spill it. For money even.
I do use my brain, you are the only person here bereft of using a brain here.
Who cares if the phone company is lying, is your car speedometer lying? Because you can make sure your phones workings are legit by cross verifying with that couldn't you?
They don't tell you to keep your phones off anymore on some flights, and more are moving that way. And it was because they were afraid the phone would interfere with the electronics of the plane, pretty straight forward really. The reason terrorists don't do that is because it was just an over abundance of caution for something that didn't actually effect the plane, hence why more and more flights are just letting you use your phone whenever.
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I wonder when someone is going to come up with an idea of combining aether and spaceflight. If aether explains how something planar is observed as spherical then it must work otherwise too! Astronauts have observed and filmed a flat earth but it's just appearing as spherical. Dont' cite me if you start to believe anything I'm saying. :D
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no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.
Oh.
Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.
I eagerly await.
jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?
Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
there's more than one. is that really the best you have?
More than one, both on the flight path between Sydney and Santiago? Heading in completely opposite directions?
Is that the best you have? Because if so, maybe you should hit that juice box and take a nap and let the adults talk.
i have thought more and answered in a thread dedicated to this topic, but your answer shows your refusal to think. you haven't offered an explanation, just crossed your fingers and hoped i wouldn't notice.
Your more thought out reasoning is that the distances are wrong and the conspiracy has to grow to include airplane manufacturers, pilots, flight stewardesses, airlines, air traffic controllers and every passenger ever that brought a phone with them that has the ability to track how fast they are moving, let alone the fact that the distance can be traveled by boat, and using their speed/time you can come up to the exact same distance. Unless the boat companies are in on it too!!?
Anyways, bring your blanky too, wouldn't want you to have those bad dreams during your nap, you know you wet your bed when you do.
aww, do you hate dealing with the fact people want money?
think for yourself. plus you even expect phone companies, who profess to rely on made up satellites, to be honest. do you use your brain? it's a simple matter to add in some false programming to mislead.
why do you think they tell you to keep your phones off on planes anyway? if it was seriously dangerous, why would terrorists go through all that effort to sneak on bombs when they just need an iphone? are you capable of individual thought, or do you just stick to the bs spoon-fed to you?
Not really, I want money too. What I don't understand is why you seem to think that millions of people can be in on this and not spill it. For money even.
I do use my brain, you are the only person here bereft of using a brain here.
Who cares if the phone company is lying, is your car speedometer lying? Because you can make sure your phones workings are legit by cross verifying with that couldn't you?
They don't tell you to keep your phones off anymore on some flights, and more are moving that way. And it was because they were afraid the phone would interfere with the electronics of the plane, pretty straight forward really. The reason terrorists don't do that is because it was just an over abundance of caution for something that didn't actually effect the plane, hence why more and more flights are just letting you use your phone whenever.
you just keep believing that bs. think it's impossible for people to be paid or threatened into secrecy. there have been whistleblowers, just because you ignore than doesn't erase them from existence.
if you think your car speedometer measures the distance of a flight, there is no point in teaching you. land has similar measurements to what we are told, sea does not. land can be verified, sea relies on unreliable measurements, made more unreliable by round earth fantasy and waves. air relies entirely on the word of known liars and machines, and is likely affected by the aether anyway. something moving so fast, faster as you move away from the center of the plane, is going to alter flight speed.
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no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.
Oh.
Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.
I eagerly await.
jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?
Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
there's more than one. is that really the best you have?
More than one, both on the flight path between Sydney and Santiago? Heading in completely opposite directions?
Is that the best you have? Because if so, maybe you should hit that juice box and take a nap and let the adults talk.
i have thought more and answered in a thread dedicated to this topic, but your answer shows your refusal to think. you haven't offered an explanation, just crossed your fingers and hoped i wouldn't notice.
Your more thought out reasoning is that the distances are wrong and the conspiracy has to grow to include airplane manufacturers, pilots, flight stewardesses, airlines, air traffic controllers and every passenger ever that brought a phone with them that has the ability to track how fast they are moving, let alone the fact that the distance can be traveled by boat, and using their speed/time you can come up to the exact same distance. Unless the boat companies are in on it too!!?
Anyways, bring your blanky too, wouldn't want you to have those bad dreams during your nap, you know you wet your bed when you do.
aww, do you hate dealing with the fact people want money?
think for yourself. plus you even expect phone companies, who profess to rely on made up satellites, to be honest. do you use your brain? it's a simple matter to add in some false programming to mislead.
why do you think they tell you to keep your phones off on planes anyway? if it was seriously dangerous, why would terrorists go through all that effort to sneak on bombs when they just need an iphone? are you capable of individual thought, or do you just stick to the bs spoon-fed to you?
Not really, I want money too. What I don't understand is why you seem to think that millions of people can be in on this and not spill it. For money even.
I do use my brain, you are the only person here bereft of using a brain here.
Who cares if the phone company is lying, is your car speedometer lying? Because you can make sure your phones workings are legit by cross verifying with that couldn't you?
They don't tell you to keep your phones off anymore on some flights, and more are moving that way. And it was because they were afraid the phone would interfere with the electronics of the plane, pretty straight forward really. The reason terrorists don't do that is because it was just an over abundance of caution for something that didn't actually effect the plane, hence why more and more flights are just letting you use your phone whenever.
you just keep believing that bs. think it's impossible for people to be paid or threatened into secrecy. there have been whistleblowers, just because you ignore than doesn't erase them from existence.
if you think your car speedometer measures the distance of a flight, there is no point in teaching you. land has similar measurements to what we are told, sea does not. land can be verified, sea relies on unreliable measurements, made more unreliable by round earth fantasy and waves. air relies entirely on the word of known liars and machines, and is likely affected by the aether anyway. something moving so fast, faster as you move away from the center of the plane, is going to alter flight speed.
I don’t think its impossible to do that, I think its impossible to do that to millions of people.
No, there hasn’t been whistleblowers. A whistleblower is someone like Deep Throat or Snowden. Someone from inside the organization with hard evidence of the thing they are exposing. There isn’t anyone, out of millions; that has come out of NASA, or the Airline Industry or government that has had evidence of a conspiracy and blown any whistle at all. That is left to internet whack jobs like you or Icke apparently.
Holy shit dude, come on. What is distance you dumb ass? D=t*r or Distance equals time times rate. My point wasn’t that a speedo can tell you the distance you traveled, but since you brought up your glaring and incredible ignorance, it can tell you the distance you traveled. Use your watch, times the speed you are traveling at by that time and you have your distance. Pretty simple you toolshed. Travel at 50 mph for 1 hour and you went 50 miles. Math! ITS FUN!
Sea travel relies on the same method of measuring distance as land. d=t*r, we just went over this. If a ship is traveling at 12 knots (13.8 mph) and travels for 10 hours to get to its destination, then its traveled 138 miles. Ergo the distance between the two locations over the ocean is 138 miles. See how quickly and accurately we can do this?
Waves? Are you kidding me? You are now saying waves hinder a ships ability to measure its speed and/or distance traveled? How many oil tankers do you know of that are constantly being buffeted by waves so hard to have their keel exposed along with any mechanics that determine their speed?
Let’s back up a second actually. So you are saying that shipping companies, and the trillions of dollars in international commerce that rely on them are just guessing at the times and distances between ports? Really?
No, air is not only reliant on liars and machines, or I should say, no more so than every form of human transport. Do you think that your car speedo is part of the conspiracy? The time it takes for a plane to travel from New York to Los Angeles matches almost perfectly with the time it should take a 747-400 to travel that distance with its known travel speed. This can be verified by anyone that knows when the person left and is then standing at LAX to pick said person up.
No, speed is relative. You can’t have it both ways, either Special Relativity is right and helps your cause, or its wrong. Pick one.
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no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.
Oh.
Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.
I eagerly await.
jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?
Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
there's more than one. is that really the best you have?
More than one, both on the flight path between Sydney and Santiago? Heading in completely opposite directions?
Is that the best you have? Because if so, maybe you should hit that juice box and take a nap and let the adults talk.
i have thought more and answered in a thread dedicated to this topic, but your answer shows your refusal to think. you haven't offered an explanation, just crossed your fingers and hoped i wouldn't notice.
Your more thought out reasoning is that the distances are wrong and the conspiracy has to grow to include airplane manufacturers, pilots, flight stewardesses, airlines, air traffic controllers and every passenger ever that brought a phone with them that has the ability to track how fast they are moving, let alone the fact that the distance can be traveled by boat, and using their speed/time you can come up to the exact same distance. Unless the boat companies are in on it too!!?
Anyways, bring your blanky too, wouldn't want you to have those bad dreams during your nap, you know you wet your bed when you do.
aww, do you hate dealing with the fact people want money?
think for yourself. plus you even expect phone companies, who profess to rely on made up satellites, to be honest. do you use your brain? it's a simple matter to add in some false programming to mislead.
why do you think they tell you to keep your phones off on planes anyway? if it was seriously dangerous, why would terrorists go through all that effort to sneak on bombs when they just need an iphone? are you capable of individual thought, or do you just stick to the bs spoon-fed to you?
Not really, I want money too. What I don't understand is why you seem to think that millions of people can be in on this and not spill it. For money even.
I do use my brain, you are the only person here bereft of using a brain here.
Who cares if the phone company is lying, is your car speedometer lying? Because you can make sure your phones workings are legit by cross verifying with that couldn't you?
They don't tell you to keep your phones off anymore on some flights, and more are moving that way. And it was because they were afraid the phone would interfere with the electronics of the plane, pretty straight forward really. The reason terrorists don't do that is because it was just an over abundance of caution for something that didn't actually effect the plane, hence why more and more flights are just letting you use your phone whenever.
you just keep believing that bs. think it's impossible for people to be paid or threatened into secrecy. there have been whistleblowers, just because you ignore than doesn't erase them from existence.
if you think your car speedometer measures the distance of a flight, there is no point in teaching you. land has similar measurements to what we are told, sea does not. land can be verified, sea relies on unreliable measurements, made more unreliable by round earth fantasy and waves. air relies entirely on the word of known liars and machines, and is likely affected by the aether anyway. something moving so fast, faster as you move away from the center of the plane, is going to alter flight speed.
I don’t think its impossible to do that, I think its impossible to do that to millions of people.
No, there hasn’t been whistleblowers. A whistleblower is someone like Deep Throat or Snowden. Someone from inside the organization with hard evidence of the thing they are exposing. There isn’t anyone, out of millions; that has come out of NASA, or the Airline Industry or government that has had evidence of a conspiracy and blown any whistle at all. That is left to internet whack jobs like you or Icke apparently.
Holy shit dude, come on. What is distance you dumb ass? D=t*r or Distance equals time times rate. My point wasn’t that a speedo can tell you the distance you traveled, but since you brought up your glaring and incredible ignorance, it can tell you the distance you traveled. Use your watch, times the speed you are traveling at by that time and you have your distance. Pretty simple you toolshed. Travel at 50 mph for 1 hour and you went 50 miles. Math! ITS FUN!
Sea travel relies on the same method of measuring distance as land. d=t*r, we just went over this. If a ship is traveling at 12 knots (13.8 mph) and travels for 10 hours to get to its destination, then its traveled 138 miles. Ergo the distance between the two locations over the ocean is 138 miles. See how quickly and accurately we can do this?
Waves? Are you kidding me? You are now saying waves hinder a ships ability to measure its speed and/or distance traveled? How many oil tankers do you know of that are constantly being buffeted by waves so hard to have their keel exposed along with any mechanics that determine their speed?
Let’s back up a second actually. So you are saying that shipping companies, and the trillions of dollars in international commerce that rely on them are just guessing at the times and distances between ports? Really?
No, air is not only reliant on liars and machines, or I should say, no more so than every form of human transport. Do you think that your car speedo is part of the conspiracy? The time it takes for a plane to travel from New York to Los Angeles matches almost perfectly with the time it should take a 747-400 to travel that distance with its known travel speed. This can be verified by anyone that knows when the person left and is then standing at LAX to pick said person up.
No, speed is relative. You can’t have it both ways, either Special Relativity is right and helps your cause, or its wrong. Pick one.
try to google before you make obviously false claims.
what are you on about? car speedometers, unless you refer to falsified gps, rely on the motion of wheels. that's useless in the air. similarly, boats are going to have messy readings due to the ever changing surface under them.
unless you're pretending satellites and gps are honest, you have nothing to go on.
what the hell are you on about? i don't give a damn about relativity. aether imparts motion. it is as simple as that. think. really. just think.
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no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.
Oh.
Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.
I eagerly await.
jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?
Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
there's more than one. is that really the best you have?
More than one, both on the flight path between Sydney and Santiago? Heading in completely opposite directions?
Is that the best you have? Because if so, maybe you should hit that juice box and take a nap and let the adults talk.
i have thought more and answered in a thread dedicated to this topic, but your answer shows your refusal to think. you haven't offered an explanation, just crossed your fingers and hoped i wouldn't notice.
Your more thought out reasoning is that the distances are wrong and the conspiracy has to grow to include airplane manufacturers, pilots, flight stewardesses, airlines, air traffic controllers and every passenger ever that brought a phone with them that has the ability to track how fast they are moving, let alone the fact that the distance can be traveled by boat, and using their speed/time you can come up to the exact same distance. Unless the boat companies are in on it too!!?
Anyways, bring your blanky too, wouldn't want you to have those bad dreams during your nap, you know you wet your bed when you do.
aww, do you hate dealing with the fact people want money?
think for yourself. plus you even expect phone companies, who profess to rely on made up satellites, to be honest. do you use your brain? it's a simple matter to add in some false programming to mislead.
why do you think they tell you to keep your phones off on planes anyway? if it was seriously dangerous, why would terrorists go through all that effort to sneak on bombs when they just need an iphone? are you capable of individual thought, or do you just stick to the bs spoon-fed to you?
Not really, I want money too. What I don't understand is why you seem to think that millions of people can be in on this and not spill it. For money even.
I do use my brain, you are the only person here bereft of using a brain here.
Who cares if the phone company is lying, is your car speedometer lying? Because you can make sure your phones workings are legit by cross verifying with that couldn't you?
They don't tell you to keep your phones off anymore on some flights, and more are moving that way. And it was because they were afraid the phone would interfere with the electronics of the plane, pretty straight forward really. The reason terrorists don't do that is because it was just an over abundance of caution for something that didn't actually effect the plane, hence why more and more flights are just letting you use your phone whenever.
you just keep believing that bs. think it's impossible for people to be paid or threatened into secrecy. there have been whistleblowers, just because you ignore than doesn't erase them from existence.
if you think your car speedometer measures the distance of a flight, there is no point in teaching you. land has similar measurements to what we are told, sea does not. land can be verified, sea relies on unreliable measurements, made more unreliable by round earth fantasy and waves. air relies entirely on the word of known liars and machines, and is likely affected by the aether anyway. something moving so fast, faster as you move away from the center of the plane, is going to alter flight speed.
I don’t think its impossible to do that, I think its impossible to do that to millions of people.
No, there hasn’t been whistleblowers. A whistleblower is someone like Deep Throat or Snowden. Someone from inside the organization with hard evidence of the thing they are exposing. There isn’t anyone, out of millions; that has come out of NASA, or the Airline Industry or government that has had evidence of a conspiracy and blown any whistle at all. That is left to internet whack jobs like you or Icke apparently.
Holy shit dude, come on. What is distance you dumb ass? D=t*r or Distance equals time times rate. My point wasn’t that a speedo can tell you the distance you traveled, but since you brought up your glaring and incredible ignorance, it can tell you the distance you traveled. Use your watch, times the speed you are traveling at by that time and you have your distance. Pretty simple you toolshed. Travel at 50 mph for 1 hour and you went 50 miles. Math! ITS FUN!
Sea travel relies on the same method of measuring distance as land. d=t*r, we just went over this. If a ship is traveling at 12 knots (13.8 mph) and travels for 10 hours to get to its destination, then its traveled 138 miles. Ergo the distance between the two locations over the ocean is 138 miles. See how quickly and accurately we can do this?
Waves? Are you kidding me? You are now saying waves hinder a ships ability to measure its speed and/or distance traveled? How many oil tankers do you know of that are constantly being buffeted by waves so hard to have their keel exposed along with any mechanics that determine their speed?
Let’s back up a second actually. So you are saying that shipping companies, and the trillions of dollars in international commerce that rely on them are just guessing at the times and distances between ports? Really?
No, air is not only reliant on liars and machines, or I should say, no more so than every form of human transport. Do you think that your car speedo is part of the conspiracy? The time it takes for a plane to travel from New York to Los Angeles matches almost perfectly with the time it should take a 747-400 to travel that distance with its known travel speed. This can be verified by anyone that knows when the person left and is then standing at LAX to pick said person up.
No, speed is relative. You can’t have it both ways, either Special Relativity is right and helps your cause, or its wrong. Pick one.
try to google before you make obviously false claims.
what are you on about? car speedometers, unless you refer to falsified gps, rely on the motion of wheels. that's useless in the air. similarly, boats are going to have messy readings due to the ever changing surface under them.
unless you're pretending satellites and gps are honest, you have nothing to go on.
what the hell are you on about? i don't give a damn about relativity. aether imparts motion. it is as simple as that. think. really. just think.
Aircraft measure groundspeed using a pitot's tube and adding headwinds and subtracting tailwind. It isn't that hard.
Besides, if you can make up bullshit claims to justify your delusion, the we can too. Making it just as valid in your logic.
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no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.
Oh.
Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.
I eagerly await.
jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?
Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
there's more than one. is that really the best you have?
More than one, both on the flight path between Sydney and Santiago? Heading in completely opposite directions?
Is that the best you have? Because if so, maybe you should hit that juice box and take a nap and let the adults talk.
i have thought more and answered in a thread dedicated to this topic, but your answer shows your refusal to think. you haven't offered an explanation, just crossed your fingers and hoped i wouldn't notice.
Your more thought out reasoning is that the distances are wrong and the conspiracy has to grow to include airplane manufacturers, pilots, flight stewardesses, airlines, air traffic controllers and every passenger ever that brought a phone with them that has the ability to track how fast they are moving, let alone the fact that the distance can be traveled by boat, and using their speed/time you can come up to the exact same distance. Unless the boat companies are in on it too!!?
Anyways, bring your blanky too, wouldn't want you to have those bad dreams during your nap, you know you wet your bed when you do.
aww, do you hate dealing with the fact people want money?
think for yourself. plus you even expect phone companies, who profess to rely on made up satellites, to be honest. do you use your brain? it's a simple matter to add in some false programming to mislead.
why do you think they tell you to keep your phones off on planes anyway? if it was seriously dangerous, why would terrorists go through all that effort to sneak on bombs when they just need an iphone? are you capable of individual thought, or do you just stick to the bs spoon-fed to you?
Not really, I want money too. What I don't understand is why you seem to think that millions of people can be in on this and not spill it. For money even.
I do use my brain, you are the only person here bereft of using a brain here.
Who cares if the phone company is lying, is your car speedometer lying? Because you can make sure your phones workings are legit by cross verifying with that couldn't you?
They don't tell you to keep your phones off anymore on some flights, and more are moving that way. And it was because they were afraid the phone would interfere with the electronics of the plane, pretty straight forward really. The reason terrorists don't do that is because it was just an over abundance of caution for something that didn't actually effect the plane, hence why more and more flights are just letting you use your phone whenever.
you just keep believing that bs. think it's impossible for people to be paid or threatened into secrecy. there have been whistleblowers, just because you ignore than doesn't erase them from existence.
if you think your car speedometer measures the distance of a flight, there is no point in teaching you. land has similar measurements to what we are told, sea does not. land can be verified, sea relies on unreliable measurements, made more unreliable by round earth fantasy and waves. air relies entirely on the word of known liars and machines, and is likely affected by the aether anyway. something moving so fast, faster as you move away from the center of the plane, is going to alter flight speed.
I don’t think its impossible to do that, I think its impossible to do that to millions of people.
No, there hasn’t been whistleblowers. A whistleblower is someone like Deep Throat or Snowden. Someone from inside the organization with hard evidence of the thing they are exposing. There isn’t anyone, out of millions; that has come out of NASA, or the Airline Industry or government that has had evidence of a conspiracy and blown any whistle at all. That is left to internet whack jobs like you or Icke apparently.
Holy shit dude, come on. What is distance you dumb ass? D=t*r or Distance equals time times rate. My point wasn’t that a speedo can tell you the distance you traveled, but since you brought up your glaring and incredible ignorance, it can tell you the distance you traveled. Use your watch, times the speed you are traveling at by that time and you have your distance. Pretty simple you toolshed. Travel at 50 mph for 1 hour and you went 50 miles. Math! ITS FUN!
Sea travel relies on the same method of measuring distance as land. d=t*r, we just went over this. If a ship is traveling at 12 knots (13.8 mph) and travels for 10 hours to get to its destination, then its traveled 138 miles. Ergo the distance between the two locations over the ocean is 138 miles. See how quickly and accurately we can do this?
Waves? Are you kidding me? You are now saying waves hinder a ships ability to measure its speed and/or distance traveled? How many oil tankers do you know of that are constantly being buffeted by waves so hard to have their keel exposed along with any mechanics that determine their speed?
Let’s back up a second actually. So you are saying that shipping companies, and the trillions of dollars in international commerce that rely on them are just guessing at the times and distances between ports? Really?
No, air is not only reliant on liars and machines, or I should say, no more so than every form of human transport. Do you think that your car speedo is part of the conspiracy? The time it takes for a plane to travel from New York to Los Angeles matches almost perfectly with the time it should take a 747-400 to travel that distance with its known travel speed. This can be verified by anyone that knows when the person left and is then standing at LAX to pick said person up.
No, speed is relative. You can’t have it both ways, either Special Relativity is right and helps your cause, or its wrong. Pick one.
try to google before you make obviously false claims.
what are you on about? car speedometers, unless you refer to falsified gps, rely on the motion of wheels. that's useless in the air. similarly, boats are going to have messy readings due to the ever changing surface under them.
unless you're pretending satellites and gps are honest, you have nothing to go on.
what the hell are you on about? i don't give a damn about relativity. aether imparts motion. it is as simple as that. think. really. just think.
Aircraft measure groundspeed using a pitot's tube and adding headwinds and subtracting tailwind. It isn't that hard.
Besides, if you can make up bullshit claims to justify your delusion, the we can too. Making it just as valid in your logic.
at least you admit your claims are bullshit.
no one has even addressed mine. you act all high and mighty then ignore what i've said to attack a minor, meaningless aspect or make shit up.
you're wrong. deal with it, and think for yourself.
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GPS works. Fact.
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I never said my claims were bullshit, I said that if I made up bullshit claims then they would be just as warranted as your own bullshit claims.
I haven't made anything up.
Must we remind you who said stars were airplanes?
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no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.
Oh.
Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.
I eagerly await.
jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?
Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
there's more than one. is that really the best you have?
More than one, both on the flight path between Sydney and Santiago? Heading in completely opposite directions?
Is that the best you have? Because if so, maybe you should hit that juice box and take a nap and let the adults talk.
i have thought more and answered in a thread dedicated to this topic, but your answer shows your refusal to think. you haven't offered an explanation, just crossed your fingers and hoped i wouldn't notice.
Your more thought out reasoning is that the distances are wrong and the conspiracy has to grow to include airplane manufacturers, pilots, flight stewardesses, airlines, air traffic controllers and every passenger ever that brought a phone with them that has the ability to track how fast they are moving, let alone the fact that the distance can be traveled by boat, and using their speed/time you can come up to the exact same distance. Unless the boat companies are in on it too!!?
Anyways, bring your blanky too, wouldn't want you to have those bad dreams during your nap, you know you wet your bed when you do.
aww, do you hate dealing with the fact people want money?
think for yourself. plus you even expect phone companies, who profess to rely on made up satellites, to be honest. do you use your brain? it's a simple matter to add in some false programming to mislead.
why do you think they tell you to keep your phones off on planes anyway? if it was seriously dangerous, why would terrorists go through all that effort to sneak on bombs when they just need an iphone? are you capable of individual thought, or do you just stick to the bs spoon-fed to you?
Not really, I want money too. What I don't understand is why you seem to think that millions of people can be in on this and not spill it. For money even.
I do use my brain, you are the only person here bereft of using a brain here.
Who cares if the phone company is lying, is your car speedometer lying? Because you can make sure your phones workings are legit by cross verifying with that couldn't you?
They don't tell you to keep your phones off anymore on some flights, and more are moving that way. And it was because they were afraid the phone would interfere with the electronics of the plane, pretty straight forward really. The reason terrorists don't do that is because it was just an over abundance of caution for something that didn't actually effect the plane, hence why more and more flights are just letting you use your phone whenever.
you just keep believing that bs. think it's impossible for people to be paid or threatened into secrecy. there have been whistleblowers, just because you ignore than doesn't erase them from existence.
if you think your car speedometer measures the distance of a flight, there is no point in teaching you. land has similar measurements to what we are told, sea does not. land can be verified, sea relies on unreliable measurements, made more unreliable by round earth fantasy and waves. air relies entirely on the word of known liars and machines, and is likely affected by the aether anyway. something moving so fast, faster as you move away from the center of the plane, is going to alter flight speed.
I don’t think its impossible to do that, I think its impossible to do that to millions of people.
No, there hasn’t been whistleblowers. A whistleblower is someone like Deep Throat or Snowden. Someone from inside the organization with hard evidence of the thing they are exposing. There isn’t anyone, out of millions; that has come out of NASA, or the Airline Industry or government that has had evidence of a conspiracy and blown any whistle at all. That is left to internet whack jobs like you or Icke apparently.
Holy shit dude, come on. What is distance you dumb ass? D=t*r or Distance equals time times rate. My point wasn’t that a speedo can tell you the distance you traveled, but since you brought up your glaring and incredible ignorance, it can tell you the distance you traveled. Use your watch, times the speed you are traveling at by that time and you have your distance. Pretty simple you toolshed. Travel at 50 mph for 1 hour and you went 50 miles. Math! ITS FUN!
Sea travel relies on the same method of measuring distance as land. d=t*r, we just went over this. If a ship is traveling at 12 knots (13.8 mph) and travels for 10 hours to get to its destination, then its traveled 138 miles. Ergo the distance between the two locations over the ocean is 138 miles. See how quickly and accurately we can do this?
Waves? Are you kidding me? You are now saying waves hinder a ships ability to measure its speed and/or distance traveled? How many oil tankers do you know of that are constantly being buffeted by waves so hard to have their keel exposed along with any mechanics that determine their speed?
Let’s back up a second actually. So you are saying that shipping companies, and the trillions of dollars in international commerce that rely on them are just guessing at the times and distances between ports? Really?
No, air is not only reliant on liars and machines, or I should say, no more so than every form of human transport. Do you think that your car speedo is part of the conspiracy? The time it takes for a plane to travel from New York to Los Angeles matches almost perfectly with the time it should take a 747-400 to travel that distance with its known travel speed. This can be verified by anyone that knows when the person left and is then standing at LAX to pick said person up.
No, speed is relative. You can’t have it both ways, either Special Relativity is right and helps your cause, or its wrong. Pick one.
try to google before you make obviously false claims.
what are you on about? car speedometers, unless you refer to falsified gps, rely on the motion of wheels. that's useless in the air. similarly, boats are going to have messy readings due to the ever changing surface under them.
unless you're pretending satellites and gps are honest, you have nothing to go on.
what the hell are you on about? i don't give a damn about relativity. aether imparts motion. it is as simple as that. think. really. just think.
I'll wait for you to post one that shows the great flat earth conspiracy is happening.
Also, on the same note, maybe you should google before you make obviously fake claims.
On the aircraft there is a tube called the pitot tube. The open end of the pitot tube is usually mounted on a wing and faces toward the flow of air. The airspeed indicator actually measures the difference between a static sensor inside the plane (not in the air stream) and a sensor (the pitot) in the air stream.
When the aircraft is standing still, the pressure in each tube is equal and the airspeed indicator shows zero. The rush of air in flight causes a pressure differential between the static tube and the pitot tube. The pressure differential makes the pointer on the airspeed indicator move. An increase of airspeed leads to the pressure at the end of the pitot tube raising.
In turn, the air pressure pushes against a diaphragm that moves a connected mechanical pointer on the face of the indicator (the gauge in the cockpit). The indicator is calibrated to compensate for winds in the air using electronic read-outs from the air and the ground. This system also compensates for altitude and air temperature to make the airspeed measurement accurate.
Nothing about GPS.
Also while modern boat speed is done with GPS, it can be easily checked by anyone on the boat, so is kind of a big obvious vulnerable place for the great conspiracy to leave hanging there. You know, to prove everything they say wrong with a simple log.
A good question one could ask now is: What did the sea navigators use for speed measurement before the GPS?
In the ancient times, the only way to measure ship speed was to throw a wood log into the water and observe how fast it moves away from the ship. This approximate method of ship speed measurement was called 'Heaving the Log' and was used until 1500-1600s when the 'Chip Log' method was invented (both methods probably invented by Dutch sailors.)
The 'Chip Log' apparatus consisted of a small weighted wood panel that was attached to the reel of rope, and a time measuring device: a half-minute sand glass (as shown in image below to the right.)Chip Log Rope had knots tied at equal distances along the reel. Sailors would throw the wood panel into the sea, behind the ship, and the rope would start unwinding from the reel. The faster the ship was moving forward the faster the rope would unwind. By counting the number of knots that went overboard in a given time interval, measured by the sand glass, they could tell the ship's speed. In fact that is the origin of the nautical speed unit: the knot.
I am on about the fact that all speed is relative. I guess I'll leave it at that.
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no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.
Oh.
Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.
I eagerly await.
jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?
Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
there's more than one. is that really the best you have?
More than one, both on the flight path between Sydney and Santiago? Heading in completely opposite directions?
Is that the best you have? Because if so, maybe you should hit that juice box and take a nap and let the adults talk.
i have thought more and answered in a thread dedicated to this topic, but your answer shows your refusal to think. you haven't offered an explanation, just crossed your fingers and hoped i wouldn't notice.
Your more thought out reasoning is that the distances are wrong and the conspiracy has to grow to include airplane manufacturers, pilots, flight stewardesses, airlines, air traffic controllers and every passenger ever that brought a phone with them that has the ability to track how fast they are moving, let alone the fact that the distance can be traveled by boat, and using their speed/time you can come up to the exact same distance. Unless the boat companies are in on it too!!?
Anyways, bring your blanky too, wouldn't want you to have those bad dreams during your nap, you know you wet your bed when you do.
aww, do you hate dealing with the fact people want money?
think for yourself. plus you even expect phone companies, who profess to rely on made up satellites, to be honest. do you use your brain? it's a simple matter to add in some false programming to mislead.
why do you think they tell you to keep your phones off on planes anyway? if it was seriously dangerous, why would terrorists go through all that effort to sneak on bombs when they just need an iphone? are you capable of individual thought, or do you just stick to the bs spoon-fed to you?
Not really, I want money too. What I don't understand is why you seem to think that millions of people can be in on this and not spill it. For money even.
I do use my brain, you are the only person here bereft of using a brain here.
Who cares if the phone company is lying, is your car speedometer lying? Because you can make sure your phones workings are legit by cross verifying with that couldn't you?
They don't tell you to keep your phones off anymore on some flights, and more are moving that way. And it was because they were afraid the phone would interfere with the electronics of the plane, pretty straight forward really. The reason terrorists don't do that is because it was just an over abundance of caution for something that didn't actually effect the plane, hence why more and more flights are just letting you use your phone whenever.
you just keep believing that bs. think it's impossible for people to be paid or threatened into secrecy. there have been whistleblowers, just because you ignore than doesn't erase them from existence.
if you think your car speedometer measures the distance of a flight, there is no point in teaching you. land has similar measurements to what we are told, sea does not. land can be verified, sea relies on unreliable measurements, made more unreliable by round earth fantasy and waves. air relies entirely on the word of known liars and machines, and is likely affected by the aether anyway. something moving so fast, faster as you move away from the center of the plane, is going to alter flight speed.
I don’t think its impossible to do that, I think its impossible to do that to millions of people.
No, there hasn’t been whistleblowers. A whistleblower is someone like Deep Throat or Snowden. Someone from inside the organization with hard evidence of the thing they are exposing. There isn’t anyone, out of millions; that has come out of NASA, or the Airline Industry or government that has had evidence of a conspiracy and blown any whistle at all. That is left to internet whack jobs like you or Icke apparently.
Holy shit dude, come on. What is distance you dumb ass? D=t*r or Distance equals time times rate. My point wasn’t that a speedo can tell you the distance you traveled, but since you brought up your glaring and incredible ignorance, it can tell you the distance you traveled. Use your watch, times the speed you are traveling at by that time and you have your distance. Pretty simple you toolshed. Travel at 50 mph for 1 hour and you went 50 miles. Math! ITS FUN!
Sea travel relies on the same method of measuring distance as land. d=t*r, we just went over this. If a ship is traveling at 12 knots (13.8 mph) and travels for 10 hours to get to its destination, then its traveled 138 miles. Ergo the distance between the two locations over the ocean is 138 miles. See how quickly and accurately we can do this?
Waves? Are you kidding me? You are now saying waves hinder a ships ability to measure its speed and/or distance traveled? How many oil tankers do you know of that are constantly being buffeted by waves so hard to have their keel exposed along with any mechanics that determine their speed?
Let’s back up a second actually. So you are saying that shipping companies, and the trillions of dollars in international commerce that rely on them are just guessing at the times and distances between ports? Really?
No, air is not only reliant on liars and machines, or I should say, no more so than every form of human transport. Do you think that your car speedo is part of the conspiracy? The time it takes for a plane to travel from New York to Los Angeles matches almost perfectly with the time it should take a 747-400 to travel that distance with its known travel speed. This can be verified by anyone that knows when the person left and is then standing at LAX to pick said person up.
No, speed is relative. You can’t have it both ways, either Special Relativity is right and helps your cause, or its wrong. Pick one.
try to google before you make obviously false claims.
what are you on about? car speedometers, unless you refer to falsified gps, rely on the motion of wheels. that's useless in the air. similarly, boats are going to have messy readings due to the ever changing surface under them.
unless you're pretending satellites and gps are honest, you have nothing to go on.
what the hell are you on about? i don't give a damn about relativity. aether imparts motion. it is as simple as that. think. really. just think.
I'll wait for you to post one that shows the great flat earth conspiracy is happening.
Also, on the same note, maybe you should google before you make obviously fake claims.
On the aircraft there is a tube called the pitot tube. The open end of the pitot tube is usually mounted on a wing and faces toward the flow of air. The airspeed indicator actually measures the difference between a static sensor inside the plane (not in the air stream) and a sensor (the pitot) in the air stream.
When the aircraft is standing still, the pressure in each tube is equal and the airspeed indicator shows zero. The rush of air in flight causes a pressure differential between the static tube and the pitot tube. The pressure differential makes the pointer on the airspeed indicator move. An increase of airspeed leads to the pressure at the end of the pitot tube raising.
In turn, the air pressure pushes against a diaphragm that moves a connected mechanical pointer on the face of the indicator (the gauge in the cockpit). The indicator is calibrated to compensate for winds in the air using electronic read-outs from the air and the ground. This system also compensates for altitude and air temperature to make the airspeed measurement accurate.
Nothing about GPS.
Also while modern boat speed is done with GPS, it can be easily checked by anyone on the boat, so is kind of a big obvious vulnerable place for the great conspiracy to leave hanging there. You know, to prove everything they say wrong with a simple log.
A good question one could ask now is: What did the sea navigators use for speed measurement before the GPS?
In the ancient times, the only way to measure ship speed was to throw a wood log into the water and observe how fast it moves away from the ship. This approximate method of ship speed measurement was called 'Heaving the Log' and was used until 1500-1600s when the 'Chip Log' method was invented (both methods probably invented by Dutch sailors.)
The 'Chip Log' apparatus consisted of a small weighted wood panel that was attached to the reel of rope, and a time measuring device: a half-minute sand glass (as shown in image below to the right.)Chip Log Rope had knots tied at equal distances along the reel. Sailors would throw the wood panel into the sea, behind the ship, and the rope would start unwinding from the reel. The faster the ship was moving forward the faster the rope would unwind. By counting the number of knots that went overboard in a given time interval, measured by the sand glass, they could tell the ship's speed. In fact that is the origin of the nautical speed unit: the knot.
I am on about the fact that all speed is relative. I guess I'll leave it at that.
you have waves and ever changing wind speed and you expect to get a good, accurate measurement of distance and speed?
if that's how you think there's no point in talking to you. i hope, one day, you learn to think for yourself.
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no, your round earth is what happens when you take the measurements and facts of the flat earth, and curl it into a ball. the flat earth is the truth, your fiction is the impossible lie. you're acting as though the movements we see would only happen on a round earth when that is obviously not the case.
try thinking.
Oh.
Ok, then explain to me how on a flat earth a flight from Santiago Chile to Sydney could take only 14 hours and 10 minutes in a Boeing 747-400's cruising speed of 567 mph.
I eagerly await.
jet streams. dishonest flying.
do you ever think?
Do you? Explain why the same flight in reverse takes virtually the same amount of time. Do the jet streams move in whatever direction they are needed to move in?
there's more than one. is that really the best you have?
More than one, both on the flight path between Sydney and Santiago? Heading in completely opposite directions?
Is that the best you have? Because if so, maybe you should hit that juice box and take a nap and let the adults talk.
i have thought more and answered in a thread dedicated to this topic, but your answer shows your refusal to think. you haven't offered an explanation, just crossed your fingers and hoped i wouldn't notice.
Your more thought out reasoning is that the distances are wrong and the conspiracy has to grow to include airplane manufacturers, pilots, flight stewardesses, airlines, air traffic controllers and every passenger ever that brought a phone with them that has the ability to track how fast they are moving, let alone the fact that the distance can be traveled by boat, and using their speed/time you can come up to the exact same distance. Unless the boat companies are in on it too!!?
Anyways, bring your blanky too, wouldn't want you to have those bad dreams during your nap, you know you wet your bed when you do.
aww, do you hate dealing with the fact people want money?
think for yourself. plus you even expect phone companies, who profess to rely on made up satellites, to be honest. do you use your brain? it's a simple matter to add in some false programming to mislead.
why do you think they tell you to keep your phones off on planes anyway? if it was seriously dangerous, why would terrorists go through all that effort to sneak on bombs when they just need an iphone? are you capable of individual thought, or do you just stick to the bs spoon-fed to you?
Not really, I want money too. What I don't understand is why you seem to think that millions of people can be in on this and not spill it. For money even.
I do use my brain, you are the only person here bereft of using a brain here.
Who cares if the phone company is lying, is your car speedometer lying? Because you can make sure your phones workings are legit by cross verifying with that couldn't you?
They don't tell you to keep your phones off anymore on some flights, and more are moving that way. And it was because they were afraid the phone would interfere with the electronics of the plane, pretty straight forward really. The reason terrorists don't do that is because it was just an over abundance of caution for something that didn't actually effect the plane, hence why more and more flights are just letting you use your phone whenever.
you just keep believing that bs. think it's impossible for people to be paid or threatened into secrecy. there have been whistleblowers, just because you ignore than doesn't erase them from existence.
if you think your car speedometer measures the distance of a flight, there is no point in teaching you. land has similar measurements to what we are told, sea does not. land can be verified, sea relies on unreliable measurements, made more unreliable by round earth fantasy and waves. air relies entirely on the word of known liars and machines, and is likely affected by the aether anyway. something moving so fast, faster as you move away from the center of the plane, is going to alter flight speed.
I don’t think its impossible to do that, I think its impossible to do that to millions of people.
No, there hasn’t been whistleblowers. A whistleblower is someone like Deep Throat or Snowden. Someone from inside the organization with hard evidence of the thing they are exposing. There isn’t anyone, out of millions; that has come out of NASA, or the Airline Industry or government that has had evidence of a conspiracy and blown any whistle at all. That is left to internet whack jobs like you or Icke apparently.
Holy shit dude, come on. What is distance you dumb ass? D=t*r or Distance equals time times rate. My point wasn’t that a speedo can tell you the distance you traveled, but since you brought up your glaring and incredible ignorance, it can tell you the distance you traveled. Use your watch, times the speed you are traveling at by that time and you have your distance. Pretty simple you toolshed. Travel at 50 mph for 1 hour and you went 50 miles. Math! ITS FUN!
Sea travel relies on the same method of measuring distance as land. d=t*r, we just went over this. If a ship is traveling at 12 knots (13.8 mph) and travels for 10 hours to get to its destination, then its traveled 138 miles. Ergo the distance between the two locations over the ocean is 138 miles. See how quickly and accurately we can do this?
Waves? Are you kidding me? You are now saying waves hinder a ships ability to measure its speed and/or distance traveled? How many oil tankers do you know of that are constantly being buffeted by waves so hard to have their keel exposed along with any mechanics that determine their speed?
Let’s back up a second actually. So you are saying that shipping companies, and the trillions of dollars in international commerce that rely on them are just guessing at the times and distances between ports? Really?
No, air is not only reliant on liars and machines, or I should say, no more so than every form of human transport. Do you think that your car speedo is part of the conspiracy? The time it takes for a plane to travel from New York to Los Angeles matches almost perfectly with the time it should take a 747-400 to travel that distance with its known travel speed. This can be verified by anyone that knows when the person left and is then standing at LAX to pick said person up.
No, speed is relative. You can’t have it both ways, either Special Relativity is right and helps your cause, or its wrong. Pick one.
try to google before you make obviously false claims.
what are you on about? car speedometers, unless you refer to falsified gps, rely on the motion of wheels. that's useless in the air. similarly, boats are going to have messy readings due to the ever changing surface under them.
unless you're pretending satellites and gps are honest, you have nothing to go on.
what the hell are you on about? i don't give a damn about relativity. aether imparts motion. it is as simple as that. think. really. just think.
I'll wait for you to post one that shows the great flat earth conspiracy is happening.
Also, on the same note, maybe you should google before you make obviously fake claims.
On the aircraft there is a tube called the pitot tube. The open end of the pitot tube is usually mounted on a wing and faces toward the flow of air. The airspeed indicator actually measures the difference between a static sensor inside the plane (not in the air stream) and a sensor (the pitot) in the air stream.
When the aircraft is standing still, the pressure in each tube is equal and the airspeed indicator shows zero. The rush of air in flight causes a pressure differential between the static tube and the pitot tube. The pressure differential makes the pointer on the airspeed indicator move. An increase of airspeed leads to the pressure at the end of the pitot tube raising.
In turn, the air pressure pushes against a diaphragm that moves a connected mechanical pointer on the face of the indicator (the gauge in the cockpit). The indicator is calibrated to compensate for winds in the air using electronic read-outs from the air and the ground. This system also compensates for altitude and air temperature to make the airspeed measurement accurate.
Nothing about GPS.
Also while modern boat speed is done with GPS, it can be easily checked by anyone on the boat, so is kind of a big obvious vulnerable place for the great conspiracy to leave hanging there. You know, to prove everything they say wrong with a simple log.
A good question one could ask now is: What did the sea navigators use for speed measurement before the GPS?
In the ancient times, the only way to measure ship speed was to throw a wood log into the water and observe how fast it moves away from the ship. This approximate method of ship speed measurement was called 'Heaving the Log' and was used until 1500-1600s when the 'Chip Log' method was invented (both methods probably invented by Dutch sailors.)
The 'Chip Log' apparatus consisted of a small weighted wood panel that was attached to the reel of rope, and a time measuring device: a half-minute sand glass (as shown in image below to the right.)Chip Log Rope had knots tied at equal distances along the reel. Sailors would throw the wood panel into the sea, behind the ship, and the rope would start unwinding from the reel. The faster the ship was moving forward the faster the rope would unwind. By counting the number of knots that went overboard in a given time interval, measured by the sand glass, they could tell the ship's speed. In fact that is the origin of the nautical speed unit: the knot.
I am on about the fact that all speed is relative. I guess I'll leave it at that.
you have waves and ever changing wind speed and you expect to get a good, accurate measurement of distance and speed?
if that's how you think there's no point in talking to you. i hope, one day, you learn to think for yourself.
Yep, humans have been doing this shit for hundreds and hundreds of years, I am fairly confident that we have been able to figure out that waves in the middle of a body of water don't push objects around but travel under them. I mean, you haven't, but you don't think for yourself or use your brain.
I hope one day you stop regurgitating what has been spoon fed to you and learn to think for yourself and use your brain for once. Just repeating what other losers say is bad for you.
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Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:
Why don't you research for yourself?
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Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:
Why don't you research for yourself?
i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.
look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.
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Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:
Why don't you research for yourself?
i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.
look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.
Except you don't. Or else you wouldn't be a flat Earther, or else you would know that ground speed isn't measured using GPS.
You're the one blindly assuming the Earth is flat.
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Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:
Why don't you research for yourself?
i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.
look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.
Reading comprehension ain't too high as well.
I am fairly confident that we have been able to figure out that waves in the middle of a body of water don't push objects around but travel under them.
Of course on the beach they do. Analogy, you ever watched surfers? I have because I live in Southern California, when they get out to beyond the breakers they watch for the incoming waves when they are still humps and not breaking. If they don't like what they see they just sit there and the wave goes right under them, but when they see one that they do want they paddle the surf board moving away from the wave to move to where the wave starts to break, so the wave can catch them.
You seem to think that there is any sort of meaningful "wave breaking" out in the middle of the ocean. There is not (caveat, of course under foul weather or other non-regular conditions this could absolutely happen), so yes, waves (what there is of them out in the middle of the ocean) flow under boats, not push them around.
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Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:
Why don't you research for yourself?
i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.
look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.
Except you don't. Or else you wouldn't be a flat Earther, or else you would know that ground speed isn't measured using GPS.
You're the one blindly assuming the Earth is flat.
try reading posts before you comment. what the hell are you on about?
think for yourself. i have evidence, i've given my evidence elsewhere. making up obvious bs is no response.
until you can think for yourself, i'm done.
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Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:
Why don't you research for yourself?
i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.
look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.
Reading comprehension ain't too high as well.
I am fairly confident that we have been able to figure out that waves in the middle of a body of water don't push objects around but travel under them.
Of course on the beach they do. Analogy, you ever watched surfers? I have because I live in Southern California, when they get out to beyond the breakers they watch for the incoming waves when they are still humps and not breaking. If they don't like what they see they just sit there and the wave goes right under them, but when they see one that they do want they paddle the surf board moving away from the wave to move to where the wave starts to break, so the wave can catch them.
You seem to think that there is any sort of meaningful "wave breaking" out in the middle of the ocean. There is not (caveat, of course under foul weather or other non-regular conditions this could absolutely happen), so yes, waves (what there is of them out in the middle of the ocean) flow under boats, not push them around.
that makes perfect sense, waves obviously care about where they are and magically stop having any force once you get a few metres away.
think for yourself. you can see plenty of waves out at sea, and if you've ever swum outside paddling distance you'll know they have plenty of force when you get further out.
don't believe everything you're spoon-fed.
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Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:
Why don't you research for yourself?
i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.
look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.
Except you don't. Or else you wouldn't be a flat Earther, or else you would know that ground speed isn't measured using GPS.
You're the one blindly assuming the Earth is flat.
try reading posts before you comment. what the hell are you on about?
think for yourself. i have evidence, i've given my evidence elsewhere. making up obvious bs is no response.
until you can think for yourself, i'm done.
You've provided evidence for your claims!? Wow, give me a link!
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Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:
Why don't you research for yourself?
i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.
look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.
Except you don't. Or else you wouldn't be a flat Earther, or else you would know that ground speed isn't measured using GPS.
You're the one blindly assuming the Earth is flat.
try reading posts before you comment. what the hell are you on about?
think for yourself. i have evidence, i've given my evidence elsewhere. making up obvious bs is no response.
until you can think for yourself, i'm done.
You've provided evidence for your claims!? Wow, give me a link!
go fuck yourself.
if you can't be bothered to look at other posts on this site and spend maybe five seconds thinking rather than parroting the same bs, there's no point in wasting my energy with you.
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Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:
Why don't you research for yourself?
i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.
look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.
Except you don't. Or else you wouldn't be a flat Earther, or else you would know that ground speed isn't measured using GPS.
You're the one blindly assuming the Earth is flat.
try reading posts before you comment. what the hell are you on about?
think for yourself. i have evidence, i've given my evidence elsewhere. making up obvious bs is no response.
until you can think for yourself, i'm done.
You've provided evidence for your claims!? Wow, give me a link!
go fuck yourself.
if you can't be bothered to look at other posts on this site and spend maybe five seconds thinking rather than parroting the same bs, there's no point in wasting my energy with you.
Good. Then we can continue knowing that you have no evidence, and that all of your claims are equivalent to- boloney.
Keep getting mad. Get really mad. It only benefits us for you to look bad.
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Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:
Why don't you research for yourself?
i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.
look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.
Reading comprehension ain't too high as well.
I am fairly confident that we have been able to figure out that waves in the middle of a body of water don't push objects around but travel under them.
Of course on the beach they do. Analogy, you ever watched surfers? I have because I live in Southern California, when they get out to beyond the breakers they watch for the incoming waves when they are still humps and not breaking. If they don't like what they see they just sit there and the wave goes right under them, but when they see one that they do want they paddle the surf board moving away from the wave to move to where the wave starts to break, so the wave can catch them.
You seem to think that there is any sort of meaningful "wave breaking" out in the middle of the ocean. There is not (caveat, of course under foul weather or other non-regular conditions this could absolutely happen), so yes, waves (what there is of them out in the middle of the ocean) flow under boats, not push them around.
that makes perfect sense, waves obviously care about where they are and magically stop having any force once you get a few metres away.
think for yourself. you can see plenty of waves out at sea, and if you've ever swum outside paddling distance you'll know they have plenty of force when you get further out.
don't believe everything you're spoon-fed.
Thank you, I knew eventually you would come around to reality. They do "magically" stop/start having force to push you around once they break.
I did think for myself, you are the one that is not thinking for yourself by buying into the bullcrap some idiot on some conspiracy website is pushing on you. I even described watching said phenomenon happen.
I have, I used to boogie board back in the day quite a bit down at Huntington Beach, while strictly speaking I didn't need to go out to where the surfers hung out, I liked talking to them while they sat up on their boards. That was before I had one rake my back with their stabilizer fins.
Anyways, the point is, how much force must your waves have so that a surfer can sit like this for hours without having to get down and paddle again?
(http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-AX032214.jpg?size=67&uid=2e668c96-e179-4d23-9b57-e876e5ee89f6)
Again, the only person that is sitting here believing everything they are spoon fed and not using their brain is you.
***edit for strange grammar.
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I think you hurt his feelings a bit there Jet.
I gotta read this entire thread tonight to get caught back up.
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I think you hurt his feelings a bit there Jet.
I gotta read this entire thread tonight to get caught back up.
I personally think that people who think they don't have to provide evidence for their claims should have their feelings hurt.
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Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:
Why don't you research for yourself?
i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.
look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.
Except you don't. Or else you wouldn't be a flat Earther, or else you would know that ground speed isn't measured using GPS.
You're the one blindly assuming the Earth is flat.
try reading posts before you comment. what the hell are you on about?
think for yourself. i have evidence, i've given my evidence elsewhere. making up obvious bs is no response.
until you can think for yourself, i'm done.
You've provided evidence for your claims!? Wow, give me a link!
go fuck yourself.
if you can't be bothered to look at other posts on this site and spend maybe five seconds thinking rather than parroting the same bs, there's no point in wasting my energy with you.
Good. Then we can continue knowing that you have no evidence, and that all of your claims are equivalent to- boloney.
Keep getting mad. Get really mad. It only benefits us for you to look bad.
your laziness and illiteracy is no fault of mine. i refuse to waste any more time trying to teach you.
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Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:
Why don't you research for yourself?
i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.
look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.
Reading comprehension ain't too high as well.
I am fairly confident that we have been able to figure out that waves in the middle of a body of water don't push objects around but travel under them.
Of course on the beach they do. Analogy, you ever watched surfers? I have because I live in Southern California, when they get out to beyond the breakers they watch for the incoming waves when they are still humps and not breaking. If they don't like what they see they just sit there and the wave goes right under them, but when they see one that they do want they paddle the surf board moving away from the wave to move to where the wave starts to break, so the wave can catch them.
You seem to think that there is any sort of meaningful "wave breaking" out in the middle of the ocean. There is not (caveat, of course under foul weather or other non-regular conditions this could absolutely happen), so yes, waves (what there is of them out in the middle of the ocean) flow under boats, not push them around.
that makes perfect sense, waves obviously care about where they are and magically stop having any force once you get a few metres away.
think for yourself. you can see plenty of waves out at sea, and if you've ever swum outside paddling distance you'll know they have plenty of force when you get further out.
don't believe everything you're spoon-fed.
Thank you, I knew eventually you would come around to reality. They do "magically" stop/start having force to push you around once they break.
I did think for myself, you are the one that is not thinking for yourself by buying into the bullcrap some idiot on some conspiracy website is pushing on you. I even described watching said phenomenon happen.
I have, I used to boogie board back in the day quite a bit down at Huntington Beach, while strictly speaking I didn't need to go out to where the surfers hung out, I liked talking to them while they sat up on their boards. That was before I had one rake my back with their stabilizer fins.
Anyways, the point is, how much force must your waves have so that a surfer can sit like this for hours without having to get down and paddle again?
(http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-AX032214.jpg?size=67&uid=2e668c96-e179-4d23-9b57-e876e5ee89f6)
Again, the only person that is sitting here believing everything they are spoon fed and not using their brain is you.
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waves break at the shore. try thinking.
that's just not true. they aren't stationary, they're moving all the time. acting like they're still in a photo doesn't mean they aren't moving.
are you seriously arguing that waves don't move at sea? what is wrong with you?
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He got so mad he ignored me! This means I won, and that he is weak. Glad I joined the club.
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Instead of thinking so much inside of your clearly uneducated mind:
Why don't you research for yourself?
i do, i just don't blindly assume what i read is right. it's called thinking for yourself. you should try it. the flaws are obvious if you only look.
look up. he seems to genuinely think waves don't push objects around. go to the beach, you can pretty easily show that's bs.
Reading comprehension ain't too high as well.
I am fairly confident that we have been able to figure out that waves in the middle of a body of water don't push objects around but travel under them.
Of course on the beach they do. Analogy, you ever watched surfers? I have because I live in Southern California, when they get out to beyond the breakers they watch for the incoming waves when they are still humps and not breaking. If they don't like what they see they just sit there and the wave goes right under them, but when they see one that they do want they paddle the surf board moving away from the wave to move to where the wave starts to break, so the wave can catch them.
You seem to think that there is any sort of meaningful "wave breaking" out in the middle of the ocean. There is not (caveat, of course under foul weather or other non-regular conditions this could absolutely happen), so yes, waves (what there is of them out in the middle of the ocean) flow under boats, not push them around.
that makes perfect sense, waves obviously care about where they are and magically stop having any force once you get a few metres away.
think for yourself. you can see plenty of waves out at sea, and if you've ever swum outside paddling distance you'll know they have plenty of force when you get further out.
don't believe everything you're spoon-fed.
Thank you, I knew eventually you would come around to reality. They do "magically" stop/start having force to push you around once they break.
I did think for myself, you are the one that is not thinking for yourself by buying into the bullcrap some idiot on some conspiracy website is pushing on you. I even described watching said phenomenon happen.
I have, I used to boogie board back in the day quite a bit down at Huntington Beach, while strictly speaking I didn't need to go out to where the surfers hung out, I liked talking to them while they sat up on their boards. That was before I had one rake my back with their stabilizer fins.
Anyways, the point is, how much force must your waves have so that a surfer can sit like this for hours without having to get down and paddle again?
(http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-AX032214.jpg?size=67&uid=2e668c96-e179-4d23-9b57-e876e5ee89f6)
Again, the only person that is sitting here believing everything they are spoon fed and not using their brain is you.
***edit for strange grammar.
waves break at the shore. try thinking.
that's just not true. they aren't stationary, they're moving all the time. acting like they're still in a photo doesn't mean they aren't moving.
are you seriously arguing that waves don't move at sea? what is wrong with you?
Yes they do, which is the only place they impart any significant lateral force to an object on the water. Guess where boats don't typically hang out? The shore.
They are virtually stationary, how much positioning do you think they can do sitting up like that? They are even right now on top of a swell as it passes under them. If you are now saying that this is how little energy a wave imparts on an object sitting on the water, then your whole argument is moot. The waves on the open sea are negligible.
Waves move at sea, but they virtually completely pass under any object floating out at sea. Because of wave lengths and all that, but whatevs. Important fact is that no, they don't move things around out at sea.
If they did then the tsunami that killed hundreds of thousands in the Indian Ocean would have toppled every ship in its path, as it traveled faster than a jet and all that.
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(http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-AX032214.jpg?size=67&uid=2e668c96-e179-4d23-9b57-e876e5ee89f6)
Faked image. The real world doesn't have the word "corbis" floating in the sky. Inadmissable.