You see a little light in the sky and assume it is a satellite because that is what they tell you it is. Truth is, you have no idea what is making that light shine.
So please state your theory as to what could account for these highly predictable, fast-moving lights in the sky?
You see a little light in the sky and assume it is a satellite because that is what they tell you it is. Truth is, you have no idea what is making that light shine.
And space agencies can make them appear in a time frame corresponding to their launch schedule?
It could be anything. You just soak it up when they tell you they are satellites.
You see a rocket get loaded with a satellite, then launched into orbit, send pictures down, and immediately, right on schedule, a light appears in the sky which orbits periodically and predictably overhead, broadcasting a clear signal down from space and you think it's a satellite? Hah, such weak minded fools. *Rolls eyes* Look man, if they're not satellites, then what are they? Don't give me the pseudolites or stratolites crap, because it's crap. Outhouses and blimps don't orbit the earth, and of they did they would be satellites. Get the picture?So please state your theory as to what could account for these highly predictable, fast-moving lights in the sky?
It could be anything. You just soak it up when they tell you they are satellites.You see a little light in the sky and assume it is a satellite because that is what they tell you it is. Truth is, you have no idea what is making that light shine.
And space agencies can make them appear in a time frame corresponding to their launch schedule?
lol, you think those are satellites being launched?
Pseudolites.
Still waiting for you to provide a full and detailed description of how satellite TV operates.So please state your theory as to what could account for these highly predictable, fast-moving lights in the sky?
It could be anything. You just soak it up when they tell you they are satellites.You see a little light in the sky and assume it is a satellite because that is what they tell you it is. Truth is, you have no idea what is making that light shine.
And space agencies can make them appear in a time frame corresponding to their launch schedule?
lol, you think those are satellites being launched?
Still waiting for you to provide a full and detailed description of how satellite TV operates.If he won't answer you in the appropriate thread, then what makes you think that pestering him in the wrong thread will help? ???
Pseudolites.
I messed up when I said pseudolites. I was posting in several different threads at the same time.
What I was implying is that a light shooting across the sky could be anything at all. You only assume it is a satellite because that is what they tell you it is.
...you are so foolish. That is just the tip of the freakin' iceberg as to how we know. Ex: only appears in the orbit of a planned satellite after said satellite has launched, the I.S.S., the largest satellite, can literally be seen in full view from the ground with a pair of binoculars. I've done it. Its quite beautiful.
I messed up when I said pseudolites. I was posting in several different threads at the same time.
What I was implying is that a light shooting across the sky could be anything at all. You only assume it is a satellite because that is what they tell you it is.
He obviously won't man. They could possibly be planes, but satellites seem to move slower. It moves way faster than a plane, but it just looks like it moves slower.I messed up when I said pseudolites. I was posting in several different threads at the same time.
What I was implying is that a light shooting across the sky could be anything at all. You only assume it is a satellite because that is what they tell you it is.
Ok, so it's not a pseudolite. So give us one -- just one! -- example of what it could be?
I messed up when I said pseudolites. I was posting in several different threads at the same time.
What I was implying is that a light shooting across the sky could be anything at all. You only assume it is a satellite because that is what they tell you it is.
Ok, so it's not a pseudolite. So give us one -- just one! -- example of what it could be?
A satellite doesn't have any other lights on it though.I messed up when I said pseudolites. I was posting in several different threads at the same time.
What I was implying is that a light shooting across the sky could be anything at all. You only assume it is a satellite because that is what they tell you it is.
Ok, so it's not a pseudolite. So give us one -- just one! -- example of what it could be?
An airplane.
A satellite doesn't have any other lights on it though.I messed up when I said pseudolites. I was posting in several different threads at the same time.
What I was implying is that a light shooting across the sky could be anything at all. You only assume it is a satellite because that is what they tell you it is.
Ok, so it's not a pseudolite. So give us one -- just one! -- example of what it could be?
An airplane.
You can not calculate where and when an airplane will be days in advance? Are you being serious?Turbulance, storms, etc can effect it. Satellites track it more precisely.
You can not calculate where and when an airplane will be days in advance?Of course you can't. Weather, air traffic control instructions, re-fueling and changes to airspace safety due to wars etc will all make it impossible to predict to hours, let alone minutes.
You can not calculate where and when an airplane will be days in advance? Are you being serious?Have you seen the on time statistics for airlines?
You can not calculate where and when an airplane will be days in advance? Are you being serious?
I love how he is ignoring us now.You can not calculate where and when an airplane will be days in advance? Are you being serious?
Not to the precision that you can predict satellites.
We are not discussing commercial airliners, markjo.You can not calculate where and when an airplane will be days in advance? Are you being serious?Have you seen the on time statistics for airlines?
Unless JROA or someone else wants to continue debating the airplane theory, then we are back to zero in terms of alternate explanations for what orbiting satellites might be. We are ready for your next proposal.
Still no explanation with details of satellite broadcasting... Hint, dish angles point to object at defined position.We are not discussing commercial airliners, markjo.You can not calculate where and when an airplane will be days in advance? Are you being serious?Have you seen the on time statistics for airlines?Unless JROA or someone else wants to continue debating the airplane theory, then we are back to zero in terms of alternate explanations for what orbiting satellites might be. We are ready for your next proposal.
Meteors and flares also streak across the sky. Truth is, you have no idea what exactly it is when you see some light go across the sky. You only know what they tell you.
There is a HUGE difference between satellites and meteors. Meteors move way faster, satellites move slower.We are not discussing commercial airliners, markjo.You can not calculate where and when an airplane will be days in advance? Are you being serious?Have you seen the on time statistics for airlines?Unless JROA or someone else wants to continue debating the airplane theory, then we are back to zero in terms of alternate explanations for what orbiting satellites might be. We are ready for your next proposal.
Meteors and flares also streak across the sky. Truth is, you have no idea what exactly it is when you see some light go across the sky. You only know what they tell you.
We are not discussing commercial airliners, markjo.Fantasy airliners?
Meteors and flares also streak across the sky.Not according to a pre-defined timetable they don't.
Truth is, you have no idea what exactly it is when you see some light go across the sky. You only know what they tell you.Who is they? Anyway, it's quite easy to see them, especially the ISS, with your own eyes.
Why do meteors move way faster than satellites?
There is a HUGE difference between satellites and meteors. Meteors move way faster, satellites move slower.
There is no difference between gravity and orbiting.Why do meteors move way faster than satellites?
There is a HUGE difference between satellites and meteors. Meteors move way faster, satellites move slower.
Is the excessive speed caused by gravity?
There is a difference between gravity and orbiting.Why do meteors move way faster than satellites?
There is a HUGE difference between satellites and meteors. Meteors move way faster, satellites move slower.
Is the excessive speed caused by gravity?
Meteors fly through space from impacts with other planets, moons, etc. SOMETIMES if they get too close, they will catch orbit on Earth. Satellites simply orbit the Earth, while meteors come in very fast, that is why they are called "shooting stars". Also fixed that mistake.There is a difference between gravity and orbiting.Why do meteors move way faster than satellites?
There is a HUGE difference between satellites and meteors. Meteors move way faster, satellites move slower.
Is the excessive speed caused by gravity?
Could you please explain this in detail to us,
You can not calculate where and when an airplane will be days in advance? Are you being serious?
You see a little light in the sky and assume it is a satellite because that is what they tell you it is. Truth is, you have no idea what is making that light shine.But we can PREDICT when we'll see it, if they were just random lights we wouldn't know when we'd see them.
I messed up when I said pseudolites. I was posting in several different threads at the same time.
What I was implying is that a light shooting across the sky could be anything at all. You only assume it is a satellite because that is what they tell you it is.
Ok, so it's not a pseudolite. So give us one -- just one! -- example of what it could be?
An airplane.
You can not calculate where and when an airplane will be days in advance? Are you being serious?
You see a little light in the sky and assume it is a satellite because that is what they tell you it is. Truth is, you have no idea what is making that light shine.But we can PREDICT when we'll see it, if they were just random lights we wouldn't know when we'd see them.
Do you think the conspiracy does not have the means to cause a light to streak across the sky at a time of their choosing?No, I don't believe the made-up-conspiracy has that capability. Then again, when you are making things up you can just give them magical powers.
The conspiracy would only need to streak lights across the sky for a short time after sunset and a short time before sunrise. They don't have to do it all the time.
The conspiracy would only need to streak lights across the sky for a short time after sunset and a short time before sunrise.Well, that's bullshit, as Rama pointed out.
The conspiracy would only need to streak lights across the sky for a short time after sunset and a short time before sunrise. They don't have to do it all the time.
The conspiracy would only need to streak lights across the sky for a short time after sunset and a short time before sunrise. They don't have to do it all the time.
Why only after sunset and before sunrise. Satellites are visible all night if they are passing overhead. And it is always night somewhere.
Well, that's bullshit, as Rama pointed out.
At the right time of the year, you can actually stay out and watch the ISS pass over every 90 minutes all night.
If you have ever star-gazed shortly after sunset or before sunrise, you have probably noticed one or two "stars" sailing gracefully across the sky.
The conspiracy would only need to streak lights across the sky for a short time after sunset and a short time before sunrise. They don't have to do it all the time.
Why only after sunset and before sunrise. Satellites are visible all night if they are passing overhead. And it is always night somewhere.Well, that's bullshit, as Rama pointed out.
At the right time of the year, you can actually stay out and watch the ISS pass over every 90 minutes all night.
This is incorrect. They are only visible shortly after sunset and shortly before sunrise. You should learn about your own satellite theory.Quote from: http://www.satobs.orgIf you have ever star-gazed shortly after sunset or before sunrise, you have probably noticed one or two "stars" sailing gracefully across the sky.
Nights are now the shortest and the time that a satellite in a low-Earth-orbit (like the ISS) can remain illuminated by the Sun can extend throughout the night, a situation that can never be attained during other times of the year.
I did not say they were random lights. I said that there are lights moving in the sky, and you have no idea what they are other than what you are told. Do you think the conspiracy does not have the means to cause a light to streak across the sky at a time of their choosing?
No, it isn't. I have seen the ISS in the middle of the night myself.
This is incorrect.
No, it isn't. I have seen the ISS in the middle of the night myself.
This is incorrect.
No, it isn't. I have seen the ISS in the middle of the night myself.
This is incorrect.
How could you see the ISS in the middle of the night when anything within your field of view would be in the Earth's shadow? Perhaps they turned on the headlights? Or, maybe this is just more proof that the Earth is really flat?
How could you see the ISS in the middle of the night when anything within your field of view would be in the Earth's shadow? Perhaps they turned on the headlights? Or, maybe this is just more proof that the Earth is really flat?No, it's proof that you haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Although I think that particular debate was settled some time ago.
Every early June in the northern hemisphere (December in the southern), the International Space Station (ISS) can be observed on multiple passes from dusk till dawn. Taking only 90 minute to circle Earth, the station is normally visible once or twice a night during twilight, when it catches the sun’s rays 250 miles up and glimmers brightly against a darkening sky.
Passes continue through the night – yep, it’s up there – but we can’t see the football field-sized satellite because it’s in Earth’s shadow. The sun has set for the astronauts; they look out the window and admire the sparkling lights of cities below and stars above.
That all changes for a week or two around the summer solstice thanks to our planet’s tilted axis and the highly inclined orbit of the ISS. The space station’s orbit is tipped up at an angle of 51.6 degrees to the Earth’s equator. That means it visible anywhere on the ground between 52 degrees north and south of the equator – a vast region that includes 90% of humanity.
During northern hemisphere summer, Earth’s north pole is tilted 23.5 degrees toward the sun. When combined with the space station’s steep orbital tilt, the ISS manages to avoid Earth’s shadow, remaining in constant sunlight during its entire orbit. For a daydreaming astronaut staring out the cupola windows, the sun never sets. He watches it drop to edge of the globe and then rise right back up again. Watch the video above and you’ll see what I mean.
- See more at: http://astrobob.areavoices.com/2013/06/02/space-station-marathon-week-an-excuse-to-stay-up-all-night/#sthash.WVAWiS5C.dpuf (http://astrobob.areavoices.com/2013/06/02/space-station-marathon-week-an-excuse-to-stay-up-all-night/#sthash.WVAWiS5C.dpuf)
Bright satellites can be seen during the day if you use a telescope that can track them based on orbit predictions. The ISS is the brightest out there and easy to recognize.
Great. When did you do this? Please, post some of your pics. Thanks.
The proof of satellites in orbit is so obvious. The ISS is easily visible with a decent pair of binoculars, and smaller ones with a modest rich-field telescope. You FE idiots should just go out and look for yourselves, and you will see that it is the truth. I am an astronomer working for CSS tracking and cataloging near earth objects, esp potentially hazardous asteroids. I previously worked with the NEOWISE program and was directly involved in sending up the WISE infrared telescope satellite. I was involved in setting up some of it's system components, watched it's launch, and had access to it's operating systems once it was in orbit. I would no more doubt its existence and orbit than I would my custom ShredX Ducati 900 cafe racer sitting in our parking lot and the route I take to work each week. In the past i have also had access to earth observation satellites, and their imaging cameras. I can assure you that this planet is a sphere.Agreed.
Can you tell us exactly how the "conspiracy" produces these lights? What mechanism would generate them, and how would they be positioned so precisely and regularly? Remember too that earlier on you claimed that man-made satellites don't exist. So these lights would have to be generated by some earth-bound source and projected somehow would they not? If that's the case, then by what means are they reflected back towards earth? And from what geographic locations on earth would they be situated?
A week ago I asked jroa to address this question of moving "lights" in the night skies being part of his conspiracy theory:
I am sorry, but my phone and internet have been down. I was not avoiding you.
Can you explain every light that you see in the sky?
Can you tell us exactly how the "conspiracy" produces these lights? What mechanism would generate them, and how would they be positioned so precisely and regularly? Remember too that earlier on you claimed that man-made satellites don't exist. So these lights would have to be generated by some earth-bound source and projected somehow would they not? If that's the case, then by what means are they reflected back towards earth? And from what geographic locations on earth would they be situated?
So if the satellite tracking website states what angle the observers in A and B will see the satellite at. Ad least one will be wrong.Pseudolites.
Pseudolites fly (actually I'm pretty sure they just hover) much lower than satellites allegedly do. It's simple trig to find out how high they are (assuming a flat surface for simplicity ;)). As you can see, there's no chance that a pseudolite could be mistaken for a satellite given two observers checking at the same time. A satellite will always appear at a higher angle to observer B than a pseudolite would.
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JROA: I'd like you to perform a simple exercise for me, you'll need a powerful laser pointer and a friend who lives a couple hundred kilometers away. Lasers fire a beam in a straight line minus some very slight curvature due to Earth's gravity, I want you to place the laser pointer 2 meters off the ground, level with the Earth, and turn it on, pointed in a direction free of obstructions in the line of sight of the laser pointer.
Have your friend a couple towns over look up, make sure he is in line with the laser's beam, and have him measure its height above the ground. Also make sure you're both at the same height above sea level.
Now, I'm going to give you a moment to get yourself seated before I give you some fair warning, what you will see is going to completely blow your mind. The measurement your friend will return is going to be significantly higher than 2 meters! But you're both at the same height above sea level! How can this be, if the Earth is flat?!?
Simple answer is that it's simply not. If you send a camera up into space (Which you can do with a few thousand dollars nowadays), you can even take a picture of the Earth as it appears; a sphere.
Now, here's a slightly less practical experiment that you can try if you want to corroborate the ludicrous findings in the previous one. I want you to board an airplane heading East, make sure you're going to the same latitude as you're leaving from. Now, when you land there, take another plane heading East, again, making sure that you're landing at the same latitude. Do this until you find that your next plane ticket is for the place you took off from. But wait, how is this so? The Earth is flat, you can't circumnavigate it without coming to a sharp corner, and if you watched carefully, it was just smooth as far as the eye can see! Now, you may be thinking to yourself "Well IO just traveled around the rim of the disc!". Just to make sure, do it again, but with planes only going North, or as close as you can get to North. You'll notice the same effect! But that's impossible, no edges?!?
Now, I bet you'll assume that government spy satellites have been beaming false memories into your brain to make you think you didn't see any edges, but let's be honest here, the government doesn't have mind-altering satellites yet, come on, that's silly! Those go up in 2016.
When did you perform this experiment in order to give us the results? Or, is this just a thought experiment that you are assuming the answer to?
He obviously won't man. They could possibly be planes, but satellites seem to move slower. It moves way faster than a plane, but it just looks like it moves slower.I messed up when I said pseudolites. I was posting in several different threads at the same time.
What I was implying is that a light shooting across the sky could be anything at all. You only assume it is a satellite because that is what they tell you it is.
Ok, so it's not a pseudolite. So give us one -- just one! -- example of what it could be?
If the sun circles the flat Earth, then it would be at different angles at different times of day in different locations. Your experiment is very flawed.
If the sun circles the flat Earth, then it would be at different angles at different times of day in different locations.It's apparent size would also change quite significantly, so....
If the sun circles the flat Earth, then it would be at different angles at different times of day in different locations. Your experiment is very flawed.'If'. Is there some doubt?
And are you asking me to believe that this conspiracy has been going on since the ancient Greeks?
If the sun circles the flat Earth, then it would be at different angles at different times of day in different locations.It's apparent size would also change quite significantly, so....
If the sun circles the flat Earth, then it would be at different angles at different times of day in different locations.It's apparent size would also change quite significantly, so....
Atmospheric lensing could cause the sun to change apparent size as the amount of atmoplane changes between you and the sun.
If the sun circles the flat Earth, then it would be at different angles at different times of day in different locations.It's apparent size would also change quite significantly, so....
Atmospheric lensing could cause the sun to change apparent size as the amount of atmoplane changes between you and the sun.
But then so would everything else. This does not happen.
Off topic, please explain satellites with evidence.If the sun circles the flat Earth, then it would be at different angles at different times of day in different locations.It's apparent size would also change quite significantly, so....
Atmospheric lensing could cause the sun to change apparent size as the amount of atmoplane changes between you and the sun.
But then so would everything else. This does not happen.
Have you never heard of a mirage?
What known objects appear to get bigger as they move further away?If the sun circles the flat Earth, then it would be at different angles at different times of day in different locations.It's apparent size would also change quite significantly, so....
Atmospheric lensing could cause the sun to change apparent size as the amount of atmoplane changes between you and the sun.
But then so would everything else. This does not happen.
Have you never heard of a mirage?
Atmospheric lensing could cause the sun to change apparent size as the amount of "atmoplane" changes between you and the sun.
No, I haven't. Could you take me through it and explain the relevance?If the sun circles the flat Earth, then it would be at different angles at different times of day in different locations.It's apparent size would also change quite significantly, so....
Atmospheric lensing could cause the sun to change apparent size as the amount of atmoplane changes between you and the sun.
But then so would everything else. This does not happen.
Have you never heard of a mirage?
No, I haven't. Could you take me through it and explain the relevance?If the sun circles the flat Earth, then it would be at different angles at different times of day in different locations.It's apparent size would also change quite significantly, so....
Atmospheric lensing could cause the sun to change apparent size as the amount of atmoplane changes between you and the sun.
But then so would everything else. This does not happen.
Have you never heard of a mirage?
What a surprise,,,