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Title: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: FlatAllTheWay on August 11, 2014, 08:35:19 PM
I think flat earthers and round earthers can all agree that it's human nature to explore the unknown.  That's why people climb Mt. Everest and why they explore the deep sea with remotely controlled submarines.  There are few, if any, significant places on the earth's surface that have not been explored.  If the earth was really flat and bordered by an ice wall, then what would be more exciting than travelling to the edge, climbing the ice wall and looking over the side?  In fact, explorers wouldn't stop there.  After seeing what the edge looks like, they would return to climb over the edge and onto the vertical face.  They could then find out how thick the earth is, and they could plan to climb or take some kind of vehicle to the bottom side of the earth.  That would be amazing, and the team that did it would be heroes.

Yet for some reason, there is no record of anyone having done this or even attempted it.  The obvious explanation is that all explorers know that the earth is a sphere and there *is* no edge.  But how do flat earthers explain this?  Isn't there a single flat earth believer in the world that is either capable of doing some exploration or at least funding someone else to do it?
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on August 12, 2014, 12:04:43 AM
Some say the NASA guards would stop you long before you reached the edge. 
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: QuQu on August 12, 2014, 01:19:21 AM
If i remember correctly while looking at old threads, the penguins in Antarctica are genetically modified to feed the guards, correct? Or the penguins are the NASA guards?
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: Goth on August 12, 2014, 01:45:17 AM
It's literally impossible to reach the so called' edge, for a human being,,
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on August 12, 2014, 02:38:41 AM
Being so far away from the sun, I have to agree we Goth.  It would simply be too cold and depleted of atmosphere at that distance. 
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: Macpie on August 12, 2014, 04:40:48 AM
And why exactly would you be
depleted of atmosphere at that distance
?
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on August 12, 2014, 04:51:22 AM
And why exactly would you be
depleted of atmosphere at that distance
?

You do realize that gases tend to turn to liquids and then solids as the temperature drops, right?  If you got far enough from the sun, even on a flat Earth, there would be nothing to breath. 
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: Macpie on August 12, 2014, 05:02:06 AM
I wanted to ask more like what makes you think that we would sooner reach a point with no atmosphere than the edge itself. And either way, it would require a temperature way lower than what has ever been observed on Earth.
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: FlatAllTheWay on August 12, 2014, 05:13:45 AM
Being so far away from the sun, I have to agree we Goth.  It would simply be too cold and depleted of atmosphere at that distance.

So how do your "NASA guards" survive at the edge?  I notice you said that "some say" there are NASA guards.  Do you not believe this yourself?  If not, then you haven't answered my original question at all.
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on August 12, 2014, 05:39:41 AM
I wanted to ask more like what makes you think that we would sooner reach a point with no atmosphere than the edge itself. And either way, it would require a temperature way lower than what has ever been observed on Earth.

As you get farther from the equator, the temperature drops at a consistent rate.  Can we agree?  Now, what if the south pole is not where they tell you it is, or, more importantly, what if there is no south pole?  Would the temperature not continue to drop? 

Being so far away from the sun, I have to agree we Goth.  It would simply be too cold and depleted of atmosphere at that distance.

So how do your "NASA guards" survive at the edge?  I notice you said that "some say" there are NASA guards.  Do you not believe this yourself?  If not, then you haven't answered my original question at all.

Who said the NASA guards would be stationed at the edge?  In fact, I specifically said, "Some say the NASA guards would stop you long before you reached the edge."

Also, this is not my theory and I have seen no conclusive evidence that this is true.  However, I do keep an open mind and I often assume others do as well, whether they do or not. 
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: markjo on August 12, 2014, 06:29:37 AM
Some say the NASA guards would stop you long before you reached the edge.
???  Why would a civilian organization dedicated to aeronautical and space research guard the edge of the world?  Do they have super secret launch facilities or something there?  Honestly, guarding a bunch of snow and ice sounds more like an Army or Navy job to me.
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on August 12, 2014, 06:37:26 AM
The Army and Navy have standards.  NASA guards would just be renegades who are in it for the money. 
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: markjo on August 12, 2014, 07:43:46 AM
Nah.  They'd just hire contractors.  NASA is supposed to be the brains of the conspiracy.  They wouldn't bother with boots on the ground.
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: FlatAllTheWay on August 12, 2014, 08:03:49 AM
The Army and Navy have standards.  NASA guards would just be renegades who are in it for the money.

I assume you admit that the theory about NASA guarding the edge of the earth is 100% speculation with absolutely no supporting evidence.
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: trismegistus on August 12, 2014, 08:13:10 AM
The Army and Navy have standards.  NASA guards would just be renegades who are in it for the money. 
-Ok, why would all of these "renegades" keep NASA's secret?  No one ever spilled the beans, not even for money?

-And if the atmosphere of the Earth freezes when far away from the Sun -- meaning the temperature would have to drop below -361 degrees Farenheit, the freezing point of oxygen -- then it would be physically impossible for people to go there -- so why would it be necessary for NASA guards to guard the place?

-And even if it were impossible for humans to get to the purported ice wall, why wouldn't we send balloons, drones, probes, satellites, etc., the same way we do to space, remote parts of Siberia, etc? 

-At what point, jroa, will you simply accept that instead of constantly spinning complicated conspiracy theories and concocting jumbled imaginary maps involving ice-air and evil penguins, it's simpler just to conclude that the world actually is round?

-Based on your gif, you seem to consider it very important that a medieval Pope thought that the earth was flat.  But if you asked the present Pope, Francis I (from Argentina, in the southern hemisphere, as it happens), about the shape of the Earth, what do you think he would say?
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on August 12, 2014, 09:24:18 AM
Maybe the NASA guards have special powers gained from their Satan worship?
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: robintex on August 12, 2014, 10:18:20 AM
I wanted to ask more like what makes you think that we would sooner reach a point with no atmosphere than the edge itself. And either way, it would require a temperature way lower than what has ever been observed on Earth.

As you get farther from the equator, the temperature drops at a consistent rate.  Can we agree?  Now, what if the south pole is not where they tell you it is, or, more importantly, what if there is no south pole?  Would the temperature not continue to drop? 

Being so far away from the sun, I have to agree we Goth.  It would simply be too cold and depleted of atmosphere at that distance.

So how do your "NASA guards" survive at the edge?  I notice you said that "some say" there are NASA guards.  Do you not believe this yourself?  If not, then you haven't answered my original question at all.

Who said the NASA guards would be stationed at the edge?  In fact, I specifically said, "Some say the NASA guards would stop you long before you reached the edge."

Also, this is not my theory and I have seen no conclusive evidence that this is true.  However, I do keep an open mind and I often assume others do as well, whether they do or not.

Who guarded the ice wall before NASA ? NASA is fairly recent history. If there were no guards before NASA , why hadn't some person or persons explored the ice wall at some time ?
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: FlatAllTheWay on August 12, 2014, 10:18:53 AM
Being so far away from the sun, I have to agree we Goth.  It would simply be too cold and depleted of atmosphere at that distance.

You realize, don't you, that there are numerous permanent, manned research stations on Antarctica that are operated by many different countries.  These stations are widely distributed over Antarctica, and the scientists there aren't dying due to lack of oxygen, unlivable temperatures or anything else.  Why not?
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: inquisitive on August 12, 2014, 10:27:37 AM
Some say the NASA guards would stop you long before you reached the edge.
Who???
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: ausGeoff on August 12, 2014, 03:07:01 PM
It's literally impossible to reach the so called' edge, for a human being,,

Well... with that in-depth scientific logic I guess we've got the answer.  Is it only human beings that can't reach the edge?  What about kangaroos for example?

Although, logically, what Goth claims is true.  There is no edge on a sphere.

Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: robintex on August 13, 2014, 08:05:01 PM
Being so far away from the sun, I have to agree we Goth.  It would simply be too cold and depleted of atmosphere at that distance.

So how do your "NASA guards" survive at the edge?  I notice you said that "some say" there are NASA guards.  Do you not believe this yourself?  If not, then you haven't answered my original question at all.

My question has never been answered.
"Who guarded the ice wall before NASA ?" ::) ??? :'(
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on August 13, 2014, 11:50:19 PM
Being so far away from the sun, I have to agree we Goth.  It would simply be too cold and depleted of atmosphere at that distance.

So how do your "NASA guards" survive at the edge?  I notice you said that "some say" there are NASA guards.  Do you not believe this yourself?  If not, then you haven't answered my original question at all.

My question has never been answered.
"Who guarded the ice wall before NASA ?" ::) ??? :'(

Nobody.  Why would the ice wall need to be guarded? 
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: ausGeoff on August 14, 2014, 08:43:14 AM
Nobody.  Why would the ice wall need to be guarded?


Earlier on jroa you said:  "Some say the NASA guards would stop you long before you reached the edge".  I'm happy to accept that this idea of NASA "guards" keeping people away from the ice wall is not necessarily what you believe.

I'm assuming that the NASA guards claim believed by many flat earthers is in order to justify why none of them can take a photo of it or even travel to see it with their own eyes.  It gives them an excuse to define it only in very, very vague terms—which are difficult to refute using any scientific rationale.

The NASA guard fairytale is just a feeble cop-out.



Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: General Patton on August 19, 2014, 03:17:05 PM
The penguins are the guards, and will kill you if you pass the ice wall.

There is a whole conspiracy about whether they use guns or just peck you to death, rumor has it that someone went there and got killed by one of the penguins.
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on August 20, 2014, 03:27:14 AM
Being so far away from the sun, I have to agree we Goth.  It would simply be too cold and depleted of atmosphere at that distance.

So how do your "NASA guards" survive at the edge?  I notice you said that "some say" there are NASA guards.  Do you not believe this yourself?  If not, then you haven't answered my original question at all.

My question has never been answered.
"Who guarded the ice wall before NASA ?" ::) ??? :'(

Nobody.  Why would the ice wall need to be guarded?
Stop people stealing ice?
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: BJ1234 on August 20, 2014, 05:49:31 AM
Being so far away from the sun, I have to agree we Goth.  It would simply be too cold and depleted of atmosphere at that distance.

So how do your "NASA guards" survive at the edge?  I notice you said that "some say" there are NASA guards.  Do you not believe this yourself?  If not, then you haven't answered my original question at all.

My question has never been answered.
"Who guarded the ice wall before NASA ?" ::) ??? :'(

Nobody.  Why would the ice wall need to be guarded?
Stop people stealing ice?
All makes sense now!!!.  The Conspiracytm steals ice, and puts it into freezers.  This is all to cover up the fact that refrigeration does not exist!!  Obviously to cover up some other bigger, more important conspiracy!!!!!
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: guv on August 20, 2014, 04:56:12 PM
The conspiracy is all about keeping ice up to my esky, I don't like hot beer.
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: robintex on August 20, 2014, 05:11:30 PM
Being so far away from the sun, I have to agree we Goth.  It would simply be too cold and depleted of atmosphere at that distance.

So how do your "NASA guards" survive at the edge?  I notice you said that "some say" there are NASA guards.  Do you not believe this yourself?  If not, then you haven't answered my original question at all.

My question has never been answered.
"Who guarded the ice wall before NASA ?" ::) ??? :'(

Nobody.  Why would the ice wall need to be guarded?
Stop people stealing ice?
All makes sense now!!!.  The Conspiracytm steals ice, and puts it into freezers.  This is all to cover up the fact that refrigeration does not exist!!  Obviously to cover up some other bigger, more important conspiracy!!!!!

The Conspiracy doesn't steal the ice. They are just keeping it in storage. If global warming warms up enough they are saving the ice because they will have a corner on the market to sell to the Eskimos for building igloos.
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: robintex on August 20, 2014, 05:20:57 PM
Being so far away from the sun, I have to agree we Goth.  It would simply be too cold and depleted of atmosphere at that distance.

So how do your "NASA guards" survive at the edge?  I notice you said that "some say" there are NASA guards.  Do you not believe this yourself?  If not, then you haven't answered my original question at all.

My question has never been answered.
"Who guarded the ice wall before NASA ?" ::) ??? :'(

Nobody.  Why would the ice wall need to be guarded?
 

If the ice wall doesn't need to be guarded......Why the NASA guards ???
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on August 20, 2014, 10:56:11 PM
Being so far away from the sun, I have to agree we Goth.  It would simply be too cold and depleted of atmosphere at that distance.

So how do your "NASA guards" survive at the edge?  I notice you said that "some say" there are NASA guards.  Do you not believe this yourself?  If not, then you haven't answered my original question at all.

My question has never been answered.
"Who guarded the ice wall before NASA ?" ::) ??? :'(

Nobody.  Why would the ice wall need to be guarded?
 

If the ice wall doesn't need to be guarded......Why the NASA guards ???

I said the more likely scenario for me is that there is no more air to breath and that it gets very cold by the time you start approaching the edge.  Only government agencies would have the wherewithal to get anywhere near the edge.

However, you do have to apply and have your route approved if you are going to mount an expedition in Antarctica.  Perhaps the guards are only called out if you stray too far off your registered route?  Maybe that is what happened to all of those people who have died in Antarctica?
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on August 21, 2014, 05:34:37 AM
However, you do have to apply and have your route approved if you are going to mount an expedition in Antarctica.  Perhaps the guards are only called out if you stray too far off your registered route?  Maybe that is what happened to all of those people who have died in Antarctica?
Maybe the guards are not people, but dragons or suchlike?
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: robintex on August 21, 2014, 06:37:06 AM
I have changed my opinion of the flat earthers and administrators on this website.

They are not actors. They are fantasy fiction writers.
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: General Patton on August 21, 2014, 01:31:37 PM
I have changed my opinion of the flat earthers and administrators on this website.

They are not actors. They are fantasy fiction writers.
Or both
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: ausGeoff on August 22, 2014, 02:59:50 PM

However, you do have to apply and have your route approved if you are going to mount an expedition in Antarctica. 

Nope.  This is incorrect jroa.

The part of Antarctica denoted in red on the image below is the Australian Antarctic Territory, and which is part of the Commonwealth of Australia.  (Adelie Land is a French territory.)

(http://pete-n-pam.com/main%20pics/page152pics/antarctic.jpg)


As an Australian citizen, I can visit any part of that territory at any time should I wish—no permit application; no approval; no specified route.

And no "guards" to outmaneuver—NASA or otherwise LOL.
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: Macpie on August 22, 2014, 03:05:22 PM

However, you do have to apply and have your route approved if you are going to mount an expedition in Antarctica. 

Nope.  This is incorrect jroa.

The part of Antarctica denoted in red on the image below is the Australian Antarctic Territory, and which is part of the Commonwealth of Australia.  (Adelie Land is a French territory.)

As an Australian citizen, I can visit any part of that territory at any time should I wish—no permit application; no approval; no specified route.

And no "guards" to outmaneuver—NASA or otherwise LOL.

I think we all know the next question will be "Well, have you?" or some variation of it...
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: Son of Orospu on August 22, 2014, 04:53:03 PM

However, you do have to apply and have your route approved if you are going to mount an expedition in Antarctica. 

Nope.  This is incorrect jroa.

The part of Antarctica denoted in red on the image below is the Australian Antarctic Territory, and which is part of the Commonwealth of Australia.  (Adelie Land is a French territory.)

(http://pete-n-pam.com/main%20pics/page152pics/antarctic.jpg)


As an Australian citizen, I can visit any part of that territory at any time should I wish—no permit application; no approval; no specified route.

And no "guards" to outmaneuver—NASA or otherwise LOL.

Maybe you have never heard of the Antarctic Treaty (http://www.ats.aq/e/ats.htm)?
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: ausGeoff on August 22, 2014, 06:48:08 PM

Maybe you have never heard of the Antarctic Treaty (http://www.ats.aq/e/ats.htm)?

Duh..... Why is it that you invariably think you know more about stuff than anybody else, when in fact it's usually the exact opposite?

Can you tell me exactly how you think the existence of the Antarctic Treaty (apparently) prohibits me from travelling to Antarctica?  Which of course it doesn't.

Or is this just another one of your wild guesses passed off as contradictory "evidence"?
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: markjo on August 22, 2014, 06:57:39 PM
Maybe you have never heard of the Antarctic Treaty (http://www.ats.aq/e/ats.htm)?
Have you read the treaty?  Would you please point out where it says that your route needs to be approved?
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: Jordan on August 24, 2014, 01:14:48 AM
Just like to say to everyone:

I'm currently serving in the British armed forces reserves (not going to disclose the branch). One winter we organised a expedition to Antarctica, so the ten or so of us set of to reach the South Pole and come up on the other side. We left from the Falklands and headed south. We reached the South Pole, kept going and came up on the same side roughly where Austrialia is. Funny how we just seemed to miss this giant ice wall all of you keep going on about, or how the earth doesn't just stop (because it's a sphere, but hey ho). Please note, this is something we organised ourselves, so no there wasn't some higher government body blocking us, and no NASA isn't patrolling the Antarctic.

If any of you people would like to debunk you're own crazy theory for yourselves, then head on south.



Also, just one thing I've been curious about. What reason do you guys personally think the world's governments would have for conducting the most elaborate cover up in recorded history? Because realistically, they wouldn't just do it for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: ausGeoff on August 24, 2014, 01:29:20 AM
I'm currently serving in the British armed forces reserves (not going to disclose the branch). One winter we organised a expedition to Antarctica, so the ten or so of us set of to reach the South Pole and come up on the other side. We left from the Falklands and headed south. We reached the South Pole, kept going and came up on the same side roughly where Austrialia is. Funny how we just seemed to miss this giant ice wall all of you keep going on about, or how the earth doesn't just stop (because it's a sphere, but hey ho). Please note, this is something we organised ourselves, so no there wasn't some higher government body blocking us, and no NASA isn't patrolling the Antarctic.

If any of you people would like to debunk you're own crazy theory for yourselves, then head on south.


Unfortunately—and predictably Jordan—the flat earthers will offer a couple of their usual responses to first-person evidence.

You were unknowingly suffering some sort of mental delusion.  You misinterpreted what you actually saw with your own eyes.  You're acting as a shill for the US government or the New World Order.  Or lastly, you're a liar.

—Take your pick.

Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: guv on August 24, 2014, 01:31:55 AM
funny that, just maybe the world is round.
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: Jordan on August 24, 2014, 01:48:05 AM
I'm currently serving in the British armed forces reserves (not going to disclose the branch). One winter we organised a expedition to Antarctica, so the ten or so of us set of to reach the South Pole and come up on the other side. We left from the Falklands and headed south. We reached the South Pole, kept going and came up on the same side roughly where Austrialia is. Funny how we just seemed to miss this giant ice wall all of you keep going on about, or how the earth doesn't just stop (because it's a sphere, but hey ho). Please note, this is something we organised ourselves, so no there wasn't some higher government body blocking us, and no NASA isn't patrolling the Antarctic.

If any of you people would like to debunk you're own crazy theory for yourselves, then head on south.


Unfortunately—and predictably Jordan—the flat earthers will offer a couple of their usual responses to first-person evidence.

You were unknowingly suffering some sort of mental delusion.  You misinterpreted what you actually saw with your own eyes.  You're acting as a shill for the US government or the New World Order.  Or lastly, you're a liar.

—Take your pick.


Well it was REALLY cold, I guess we all must have imagined heading in a straight line and instead just circled the perimeter of the wall :/ silly us.
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: DonaldC on August 24, 2014, 08:47:14 AM
Quite a cool trip Jordan. A friend of mine at UC Davis, where I was working on grad school works with the South Pole Telescope. Seems they are still looking for a technician/operator for the scope which is located about 200 meters from the south pole. I am tempted but it is not a six month post as I thought but eleven months at the South Pole Research Center.
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: Alpha2Omega on August 24, 2014, 09:29:07 AM
Go for it, DonaldC!  You'll be glad you did!
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: DonaldC on August 26, 2014, 03:04:02 AM
Looking into it Alpha.
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: InScienceWeTrust on August 26, 2014, 08:58:59 AM
I love how all the FE'rs haven't responded at all.  I guess even their imaginations must be just like their view on the earth.  They eventually hit a wall and have nothing...
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: Blacksmith on August 26, 2014, 06:21:35 PM
Hey, we should contact someone who's worked at the South Pole Research Center and ask them to come on here and give their account about living on the place that these guys say doesn't exist. That would be pretty funny. Or better yet a video of someone there right now walking out to the pole itself and playing with a compass to prove it. Maybe, just maybe, they could find it in their hearts to realize they're tards then.
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: ausGeoff on August 26, 2014, 09:17:28 PM
I love how all the FE'rs haven't responded at all.  I guess even their imaginations must be just like their view on the earth.  They eventually hit a wall and have nothing...


This is the inevitable outcome whenever the flat earthers are confronted with indisputable first-hand evidence.  They suddenly become very, very quiet LOL.

Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: Blacksmith on August 27, 2014, 10:22:56 AM
I'm surprised they just haven't abandoned my thread.
Title: Re: Why has no one ever explored the edge of the flat earth?
Post by: ausGeoff on August 28, 2014, 06:43:31 AM
I'm surprised they just haven't abandoned my thread.

In effect they have; that's why none of them will respond here.  The flat earthers are very sensitive about their belief in some sort of "ice wall" that surrounds the entire perimeter of their flat earth model.  This purported ice wall is critical to the geophysics of their model—without the ice wall somehow "containing" the continents and oceans, the whole model loses any credibility.

In other words, if we were to prove that their ice wall was nothing more than a fictional notion (which it is, as any scientist will confirm) then even the idea of a flat planet is immediately and totally refuted in one fell swoop.

Thus they offer all sorts of excuses as to why their "ice wall" has never been explored or mapped or photographed.  They claim that all the Antarctic explorers—Scott, Wilkins, Mawson, or Ross were either mentally deluded or a part of the great round earth "conspiracy"—even 100 years ago!

Or, the most common excuse—that it's so cold, like absolute zero (0ºK or -273ºC) and inhospitable that no man or machine could survive in its environment.

If anyone should point out that QANTAS flies tourists over the Antarctic continent every week, and tour ships from southern Australia visit Antarctica on a monthly basis, then those suggestions are dismissed as lies by the visitors, or propaganda supported by the airline and the shipping companies—and their thousands of staff, captains and pilots.

Apparently all the tens of thousands of photographic images captured by those air and sea tourists are all bogus; they're simply Photoshopped or actually just images of icebergs.

—And to support all these claims of fraud, they produce what sort of empirical evidence?  Absolutely none.