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Help us prove a flat-earth!
Through our education and discussions of a flat-earth, such hypothetical users as JonnyItzRound, Flatties-R-Fatties, or perhaps R0underThanYerPromDat3 will often say something of the ilk of, "Why don't you charter an expedition and go to location X, make a map, and prove a flat-earth?" Well Jonny, the reason that we do not charter an expedition to the dangerous location X is that we do not have the money. The reason that we do not make a map is that none of us are cartographers. This has thus far been our answer to the hundreds, if not thousands, or requests to "simply" charter an expedition.
But no more!!! This is the Official Flat Earth Expedition Fund Raising Thread!!! With your donations we will use the money to charter an expedition and, once and for all, prove a flat-earth! Continue reading for a brief Q&A to answer some of your burning questions.
Q&A
-What will you do to prove a flat-earth?
We will rent a boat, hire a crew, hire a cartographer, hire a wilderness expert, hire a mountain climbing expert, hire a medical expert, purchase provisions, purchase cold-weather gear, and buy/train sled dogs. In Phase I we will circumnavigate Antarctica to determine if it's an island or an ice rim. If Antarctica is determined to be an island we will leave it and head for the ice wall. If it is the rim, we will leave the boat and attempt to find the edge or end. This is Phase II. All the while we will be making maps and taking temperature and altitude measurements.
-What will this prove?
It will prove that there is an ice rim and we will have a map.
-Who will go on the expedition?
Not counting the crew and scientists listed above, there will be a flat-earth contingent decided upon by the Society's leadership as well as others (see donating benefits listed below).
-Do you expect this to turn into a fight-for-your-life cold-weather thriller like the movie Alien Vs Predator?
I do not.
-What problems or risks do you foresee?
Finding unindoctrinated scientists and crew willing to go on this expedition. There is also many inherent dangers in going into such extreme environments. There is also a real risk of health concerns when approaching the rim.
-How can I donate?
Capital question! Scroll to the bottom of this page or simply click here (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=YAXW6HA6FZQQY&lc=US&item_name=Flat%20Earth%20Expedition%20Fund¤cy_code=USD&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_LG%2egif%3aNonHosted)
Donation Rewards:
We know it's a lot to ask for your hard-earned money and sometimes the pursuit of science just isn't enough. So, we are prepared to offer the following rewards for donating. (Note: Please provide valid email address with donation so you can be contacted about your rewards)
$5 USD Donation: Thanks listed on the official expedition journal.
$15 USD Donation: Newly discovered minor geographical feature or landmark named after you. Example Sokarul's hole or Jroa's Landing.
$25 USD Donation: Official Flat Earth Expedition T-shirt (to depict new flat-earth map)
$50 USD Donation: Official Flat-Earth Expedition thread started in your honor in CN.
$100 USD Donation: Official Flat Earth Expedition Hoodie (to depict new flat-earth map)
$500 USD Donation: Your name added to the plaque left on the Ice Wall.
$1,000 USD Donation: Newly discovered species of plant or animal named after you (provided we discover enough to meet demand. Names given on a first donated, first named basis) Example Gayer antarimica
$10,000 USD Donation: Newly discovered major geographical feature or landmark named after you. Example The Markjo Mountains, Bishop Bluffs, The Plains of Parsifal.
$100,000 USD Donation: Invitation to accompany the expedition. (contingent on passing the physical requirements)
$1,000,000 USD Donation: Name associated with the forthcoming Nobel Prize.
DONATE HERE (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=YAXW6HA6FZQQY&lc=US&item_name=Flat%20Earth%20Expedition%20Fund¤cy_code=USD&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_LG%2egif%3aNonHosted)
Goal:
$4,000,000
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-Do you expect this to turn into a fight-for-your-life cold-weather thriller like the movie Alien Vs Predator?
I do not.
I hope not as well. Appalling film. I sued the producers for loss of intelligence and dignity.
Anyway, I've sent 0 bitcoins to get the ball rolling.
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Your donation link seems to be broken. Not sure how you will collect money if the donate link is broken.
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Hrmmmm, that's troubling. I'll get that fixed ASAP!!!
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DONATE BUTTON IS FIXED. YOU MAY NOW START DONATING AND COLLECTING YOUR FUTURE REWARDS.
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Can we donate with our time? Or only money?
Would love to go on an expedition to prove Willmore's theory that Antarctica is NOT an ice wall.
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There are three ways to join the expedition. Be one of the required experts, have the Society select you, or donate $100,000 USD. Explore whichever avenue you find the easiest.
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Why is the goal so high? Are you paving the way there with Solar Roadway tiles? ???
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Is this really going on? How many people do you have in your team? ???
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It's really happening, Imoogi. You should make an $100,000 donation so you can join the expedition.
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I can promise everyone that I will go to Antarctica (assuming I'm selected) once the goal is reached.
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Is there anyone serious in this place?
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I am dead serious.
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I am dead serious.
Surely you cant be serious.
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I am serious, and don't call me Shirley.
Pongo should give us an update on the fundraiser.
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Perhaps Pongo should have done this on Kickstarter so that we can all track the progress. A much larger potential donor pool would be nice too.
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Why not just ask for $10k and just book that flight from Australia to South America that has been posted before.
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Perhaps Pongo should have done this on Kickstarter so that we can all track the progress. A much larger potential donor pool would be nice too.
I heard that Kickstarter has a time limit and if you don't reach your goal in the time limit you get nothing. I fear that this may take awhile to gather the funds required. As of yet, no one has donated anything but me.
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250k sent, hope this helps. Can anyone confirm it went through ok?
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250k sent, hope this helps. Can anyone confirm it went through ok?
Got it.
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This is a really excellent idea.
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I can promise everyone that I will go to Antarctica (assuming I'm selected) once the goal is reached.
I notice that you say in your preamble that one of the expedition's problems will be "finding unindoctrinated scientists" to accompany you.
Can you please explain what you mean by this term as I've not heard it used before. Could you also tell me the names of any potential scientists you've contacted in order to request their participation. Have any agreed, at least on a preliminary basis? Have any refused outright, and for what reasons?
Before I contributed to something as way out of left field as this potential expedition appears to be, I'd need to know the names of the individual scientific team members to ensure that they were duly accredited and suitably qualified in their specific fields.
And to be honest, as a round earther, I consider the current geophysical data describing the Antarctic continent as perfectly legitimate and satisfying any questions I may have had, or do have. Nevertheless, I'd still be prepared to make a small donation to your expedition if for no other reason than to justify my acceptance of the status quo, and in all probability to disprove the flat earth "ice wall" theory.
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The $4,000,000 goal was figured from the cost of expeditions from 1910 to 1913 and adjusted for inflation. That's about $3,000,000 and we added another $1,000,000 because we aren't simply going to a location, we will be recording data and exploring. We need to hire a much more educated crew than simple explorers. This is not an unreasonable amount of money to ask for the expedition planned.
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When is sceptimatic's $250,000 donation going to be reported?
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He PM'd me "K" 250 times. We only accept donations via paypal in USD.
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The $4,000,000 goal was figured from the cost of expeditions from 1910 to 1913 and adjusted for inflation. That's about $3,000,000 and we added another $1,000,000 because we aren't simply going to a location, we will be recording data and exploring. We need to hire a much more educated crew than simple explorers. This is not an unreasonable amount of money to ask for the expedition planned.
It is if you don't have a detailed budget explaining exactly how much money is going where.
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He PM'd me "K" 250 times. We only accept donations via paypal in USD.
I sincerely hope this is true and if it is I am sad you had to go through it.
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Just a question in regard to the FES expedition for the quest to the ice wall :
Supposing if: You do raise the money for the expedition . You do make the expedition.You do find the ice wall.
Aren't you afraid those NASA armed guards are going to shoot all of you on sight ?
Maybe you have figured the cost to bribe them in your estimate of the cost ?
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Is there anyone serious in this place?
Do you realize what website you are on ::) ??? ;D
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Aren't you afraid those NASA armed guards are going to shoot all of you on sight ?
This is not a primary concern of the Expedition.
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Aren't you afraid those NASA armed guards are going to shoot all of you on sight ?
This is not a primary concern of the Expedition.
What is the plan?
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I can promise everyone that I will go to Antarctica (assuming I'm selected) once the goal is reached.
I notice that you say in your preamble that one of the expedition's problems will be "finding unindoctrinated scientists" to accompany you.
Can you please explain what you mean by this term as I've not heard it used before. Could you also tell me the names of any potential scientists you've contacted in order to request their participation. Have any agreed, at least on a preliminary basis? Have any refused outright, and for what reasons?
Before I contributed to something as way out of left field as this potential expedition appears to be, I'd need to know the names of the individual scientific team members to ensure that they were duly accredited and suitably qualified in their specific fields.
And to be honest, as a round earther, I consider the current geophysical data describing the Antarctic continent as perfectly legitimate and satisfying any questions I may have had, or do have. Nevertheless, I'd still be prepared to make a small donation to your expedition if for no other reason than to justify my acceptance of the status quo, and in all probability to disprove the flat earth "ice wall" theory.
Basically, we will be looking for scientists that do not scoff at the idea of an earth that is not a sphere or ones with an open enough mind to have their opinions changed when their beliefs are shaken to the core. Most people assume that simply being a scientist grants one with the ability to change their minds in the face of conflicting facts, but in principle and practice this is not the case. So we will look for scientists that are not so indoctrinated that they cannot change their minds.
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You just need to couch the expeditions goals and methods in a way that does not favor RE or FE.
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Aren't you afraid those NASA armed guards are going to shoot all of you on sight ?
This is not a primary concern of the Expedition.
Why? I suggest you are going to need a special forces team with you, which is going to up the price somewhat.
You should watch the documentary "Alien vs Predator" to see how bad shit can get out there.
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You just need to couch the expeditions goals and methods in a way that does not favor RE or FE.
I agree, but it will be difficult to "trick" or "mislead" the scientists into doing things in their own fields and not realize the money is coming from "The Flat-Earth Expedition."
It would be like trying to find biologists to work for the "Prove Evolution Wrong Foundation." Many will say no on principle alone.
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Aren't you afraid those NASA armed guards are going to shoot all of you on sight ?
This is not a primary concern of the Expedition.
Why? I suggest you are going to need a special forces team with you, which is going to up the price somewhat
We will take you suggestion under consideration.
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You just need to couch the expeditions goals and methods in a way that does not favor RE or FE.
I agree, but it will be difficult to "trick" or "mislead" the scientists into doing things in their own fields and not realize the money is coming from "The Flat-Earth Expedition."
It would be like trying to find biologists to work for the "Prove Evolution Wrong Foundation." Many will say no on principle alone.
I don't know how these things work, but I see no overt reason that anyone needs to know exactly where the money came from. Really you just need to tell them that you have a wealthy benefactor that wants to make a map of Antarctica. If/when they say that is foolish you ask them if they want the money or not.
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He PM'd me "K" 250 times. We only accept donations via paypal in USD.
It's a pity that sceptimatic manages to waste everybody's time with his inane meanderings regardless of where he pops up. He's like a little schoolkid determined to disrupt all the other kids plans just to be spiteful. Although he seems to really think his endless drivel is the epitome of adult humour.
Sad really.
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He PM'd me "K" 250 times. We only accept donations via paypal in USD.
It's a pity that sceptimatic manages to waste everybody's time with his inane meanderings regardless of where he pops up. He's like a little schoolkid determined to disrupt all the other kids plans just to be spiteful. Although he seems to really think his endless drivel is the epitome of adult humour.
Sad really.
I thought it was at least mildly amusing. Certainly not a waste of time. Regardless, this is not the place for such personal attacks.
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It's not NASA's armed guards I'd be worried about, it's the killer penguins!
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You just need to couch the expeditions goals and methods in a way that does not favor RE or FE.
I agree, but it will be difficult to "trick" or "mislead" the scientists into doing things in their own fields and not realize the money is coming from "The Flat-Earth Expedition."
It would be like trying to find biologists to work for the "Prove Evolution Wrong Foundation." Many will say no on principle alone.
I don't know how these things work, but I see no overt reason that anyone needs to know exactly where the money came from. Really you just need to tell them that you have a wealthy benefactor that wants to make a map of Antarctica. If/when they say that is foolish you ask them if they want the money or not.
Rama Set is right. I've seen this type of scenario dozens of times and it usually seems to work, although I would expect questions and doubt once the expedition is rolling.
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Help us prove a flat-earth!
Through our education and discussions of a flat-earth, such hypothetical users as JonnyItzRound, Flatties-R-Fatties, or perhaps R0underThanYerPromDat3 will often say something of the ilk of, "Why don't you charter an expedition and go to location X, make a map, and prove a flat-earth?" Well Jonny, the reason that we do not charter an expedition to the dangerous location X is that we do not have the money. The reason that we do not make a map is that none of us are cartographers. This has thus far been our answer to the hundreds, if not thousands, or requests to "simply" charter an expedition.
But no more!!! This is the Official Flat Earth Expedition Fund Raising Thread!!! With your donations we will use the money to charter an expedition and, once and for all, prove a flat-earth! Continue reading for a brief Q&A to answer some of your burning questions.
Q&A
-What will you do to prove a flat-earth?
We will rent a boat, hire a crew, hire a cartographer, hire a wilderness expert, hire a mountain climbing expert, hire a medical expert, purchase provisions, purchase cold-weather gear, and buy/train sled dogs. In Phase I we will circumnavigate Antarctica to determine if it's an island or an ice rim. If Antarctica is determined to be an island we will leave it and head for the ice wall. If it is the rim, we will leave the boat and attempt to find the edge or end. This is Phase II. All the while we will be making maps and taking temperature and altitude measurements.
-What will this prove?
It will prove that there is an ice rim and we will have a map.
-Who will go on the expedition?
Not counting the crew and scientists listed above, there will be a flat-earth contingent decided upon by the Society's leadership as well as others (see donating benefits listed below).
-Do you expect this to turn into a fight-for-your-life cold-weather thriller like the movie Alien Vs Predator?
I do not.
-What problems or risks do you foresee?
Finding unindoctrinated scientists and crew willing to go on this expedition. There is also many inherent dangers in going into such extreme environments. There is also a real risk of health concerns when approaching the rim.
-How can I donate?
Capital question! Scroll to the bottom of this page or simply click here (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=YAXW6HA6FZQQY&lc=US&item_name=Flat%20Earth%20Expedition%20Fund¤cy_code=USD&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_LG%2egif%3aNonHosted)
Donation Rewards:
We know it's a lot to ask for your hard-earned money and sometimes the pursuit of science just isn't enough. So, we are prepared to offer the following rewards for donating. (Note: Please provide valid email address with donation so you can be contacted about your rewards)
$5 USD Donation: Thanks listed on the official expedition journal.
$15 USD Donation: Newly discovered minor geographical feature or landmark named after you. Example Sokarul's hole or Jroa's Landing.
$25 USD Donation: Official Flat Earth Expedition T-shirt (to depict new flat-earth map)
$50 USD Donation: Official Flat-Earth Expedition thread started in your honor in CN.
$100 USD Donation: Official Flat Earth Expedition Hoodie (to depict new flat-earth map)
$500 USD Donation: Your name added to the plaque left on the Ice Wall.
$1,000 USD Donation: Newly discovered species of plant or animal named after you (provided we discover enough to meet demand. Names given on a first donated, first named basis) Example Gayer antarimica
$10,000 USD Donation: Newly discovered major geographical feature or landmark named after you. Example The Markjo Mountains, Bishop Bluffs, The Plains of Parsifal.
$100,000 USD Donation: Invitation to accompany the expedition. (contingent on passing the physical requirements)
$1,000,000 USD Donation: Name associated with the forthcoming Nobel Prize.
DONATE HERE (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=YAXW6HA6FZQQY&lc=US&item_name=Flat%20Earth%20Expedition%20Fund¤cy_code=USD&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_LG%2egif%3aNonHosted)
Goal:
$4,000,000 USD
Current Funds:
$1,300 USD
Supposing : "IF"
What happens if when, after finding Antarctica is truly an island you never find the ice wall ?
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It's not NASA's armed guards I'd be worried about, it's the killer penguins!
Hey, if you are going to Imaginationland (http://) then you will have all sorts of imaginary shit to deal with, probably including killer penguins.
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Why is it that the $1300 hasn't been updated in nearly a month?
Are people donating or not? Unless the rate of donating increases markedly, it's gonna take literally years to raise the necessary funding.
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Why is it that the $1300 hasn't been updated in nearly a month?
Are people donating or not? Unless the rate of donating increases markedly, it's gonna take literally years to raise the necessary funding.
Have you donated? If not, "put up or shut up" as the saying goes.
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Have you donated? If not, "put up or shut up" as the saying goes.
Nope. I'm a round earther. Why would I donate to what's gonna turn out to be ultimately a waste of 4 million bucks?
And it's also pretty obvious that nobody else is donating either. Have you?
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Have you donated? If not, "put up or shut up" as the saying goes.
Nope. I'm a round earther. Why would I donate to what's gonna turn out to be ultimately a waste of 4 million bucks?
Not to these people it would not. Seems more worthwhile than a lot of things I have seen governments spend money on.
And it's also pretty obvious that nobody else is donating either.
Why does that make being a jerk ok?
Have you?
No, but I am not being derisive and condescending either. In fact I offered constructive criticism. You should try it. Nobody cares that you are super sure of your beliefs.
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To the FES:
Please take this as a friendly , serious suggestion and constructive criticism from an RE.
Have you figured in the costs for thermal underwear...and outerwear....for the Ice Ring Exploration Team ? It is going to be cold : -273.15 C at the Ice Ring ?
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To the FES:
Please take this as a friendly , serious suggestion and constructive criticism from an RE.
Have you figured in the costs for thermal underwear...and outerwear....for the Ice Ring Exploration Team ? It is going to be cold : -273.15 C at the Ice Ring ?
I keep telling you that the ice ring/wall is not at the edge. What are you having problems understanding?
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To the FES:
Please take this as a friendly , serious suggestion and constructive criticism from an RE.
Have you figured in the costs for thermal underwear...and outerwear....for the Ice Ring Exploration Team ? It is going to be cold : -273.15 C at the Ice Ring ?
I keep telling you that the ice ring/wall is not at the edge. What are you having problems understanding?
I don't understand how you can claim this with any sort of certainty or even a straight face.
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To the FES:
Please take this as a friendly , serious suggestion and constructive criticism from an RE.
Have you figured in the costs for thermal underwear...and outerwear....for the Ice Ring Exploration Team ? It is going to be cold : -273.15 C at the Ice Ring ?
I keep telling you that the ice ring/wall is not at the edge. What are you having problems understanding?
I don't understand how you can claim this with any sort of certainty or even a straight face.
I have seen no evidence that the edge is directly past the rim continent. In fact, all evidence points towards to being very far beyond Antarctica.
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To the FES:
Please take this as a friendly , serious suggestion and constructive criticism from an RE.
Have you figured in the costs for thermal underwear...and outerwear....for the Ice Ring Exploration Team ? It is going to be cold : -273.15 C at the Ice Ring ?
I keep telling you that the ice ring/wall is not at the edge. What are you having problems understanding?
I don't understand how you can claim this with any sort of certainty or even a straight face.
I have seen no evidence that the edge is directly past the rim continent. In fact, all evidence points towards to being very far beyond Antarctica.
What physical, observable evidence do you have to support this claim?
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To the FES:
Please take this as a friendly , serious suggestion and constructive criticism from an RE.
Have you figured in the costs for thermal underwear...and outerwear....for the Ice Ring Exploration Team ? It is going to be cold : -273.15 C at the Ice Ring ?
I keep telling you that the ice ring/wall is not at the edge. What are you having problems understanding?
I don't understand how you can claim this with any sort of certainty or even a straight face.
I have seen no evidence that the edge is directly past the rim continent. In fact, all evidence points towards to being very far beyond Antarctica.
What physical, observable evidence do you have to support this claim?
Maybe you don't understand. I was claiming that I have seen no evidence. Why would you then ask me for evidence that I have not seen any evidence?
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To the FES:
Please take this as a friendly , serious suggestion and constructive criticism from an RE.
Have you figured in the costs for thermal underwear...and outerwear....for the Ice Ring Exploration Team ? It is going to be cold : -273.15 C at the Ice Ring ?
I keep telling you that the ice ring/wall is not at the edge. What are you having problems understanding?
I don't understand how you can claim this with any sort of certainty or even a straight face.
I have seen no evidence that the edge is directly past the rim continent. In fact, all evidence points towards to being very far beyond Antarctica.
What physical, observable evidence do you have to support this claim?
Maybe you don't understand. I was claiming that I have seen no evidence. Why would you then ask me for evidence that I have not seen any evidence?
Maybe you don't understand. I was talking about when you said this....
In fact, all evidence points towards to being very far beyond Antarctica.
So what observable, physical evidence points towards there being an edge beyond Antarctica?
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To the FES:
Please take this as a friendly , serious suggestion and constructive criticism from an RE.
Have you figured in the costs for thermal underwear...and outerwear....for the Ice Ring Exploration Team ? It is going to be cold : -273.15 C at the Ice Ring ?
I keep telling you that the ice ring/wall is not at the edge. What are you having problems understanding?
I don't understand how you can claim this with any sort of certainty or even a straight face.
I have seen no evidence that the edge is directly past the rim continent. In fact, all evidence points towards to being very far beyond Antarctica.
What physical, observable evidence do you have to support this claim?
Maybe you don't understand. I was claiming that I have seen no evidence. Why would you then ask me for evidence that I have not seen any evidence?
Maybe you don't understand. I was talking about when you said this....
In fact, all evidence points towards to being very far beyond Antarctica.
So what observable, physical evidence points towards there being an edge beyond Antarctica?
Sorry, I typed too fast on that post. I meant, that if there is an edge, it is likely to be very far from the ice wall.
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Gotcha.
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When nature calls they will get ice on the ring.
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How can it be that after a couple of months, nobody further has donated? The funds still stand at $1300.
Can a moderator please update the total thus far in order to prove the legitimacy of this fundraising campaign?
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How can it be that after a couple of months, nobody further has donated? The funds still stand at $1300.
Can a moderator please update the total thus far in order to prove the legitimacy of this fundraising campaign?
You are retarted.
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You are retarted.
That may be so my dear stalker, but the funding total still stands at $1300 after another day has passed.
—But then as a closet flat earther, you can't explain that either can you LOL.
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How can it be that after a couple of months, nobody further has donated? The funds still stand at $1300.
Can a moderator please update the total thus far in order to prove the legitimacy of this fundraising campaign?
I checked. The funds have not yet increased.
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Wait, why are you expecting to find new species along the way? That's cool if you do, but what a weird expectation to have. Good luck with the expedition, don't let the NASA boogeymen getcha!
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I have an idea. Instead of shooting for the lofty goal of a few million bucks, why not scale back and use a simpler method of observing the shape of the earth. I figure.. why not see if you can book a high altitude flight. Bring a camera for the rest of us.. then take some pictures. High enough altitude you should at least get an idea of what shape the earth is.
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This is typical round-earth mindset. They tell us for years, "why don't you simply charter a map or take and expedition," and when we finally gear up for one they start suggesting other things to do and say we'll never succeed. I think it's just fear that their foundations of knowledge will be rocked. We are going on the expedition roundies, donate if you're not scared, otherwise prepare for an earth-flattening event upon our return.
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I didn't say "simply charter a map or take an expedition"
This is a fund for an expedition yes?
I WANT my foundations to be rocked. There's got to be something to this, right??
Good luck on doing that with 1300 bucks. I was just trying to suggest a more realistic 'expedition'
The rest I don't think is deserved. Do what you want, ultimately. I was trying to suggest a more cost effective (potentially) method of proving to the rest of us you might be right.
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I can see exactly where this proposed expedition idea is heading Arath.
The flat earthers agree to mount a suitably equipped expedition to the South Pole/ice wall, and quite correctly claim that it needs serious funding.
But... they set their funding target at a virtually unattainable figure. They want $4 million in donations! No government grants; no subsidies from related suppliers/industries; and only a mere $1300 from flat earth members themselves.
So... eventually, after a sufficient period of time elapses, the flat earthers say that due to not reaching a sufficient level of funding, that is, 4 million bucks, they have to abandon their proposed expedition... damn!
Additionally, the mere fact that they were fully prepared to mount an expedition with the intent of proving the existence of the ice wall (and hence a flat earth) shows they were sincere, and heck, who knows, the ice wall may well exist. It's just that we couldn't nail the final proof, but gee, we came close. And because of our sincere intentions, we would've definitely proved its existence if we had've actually mounted the expedition. The fact we couldn't quite raise the funding really pissed us off too, but we couldn't help that.
The fact that ultimately, our expedition didn't take place, shouldn't be a reason to discount the fact of an ice wall existing at the perimeter of the flat earth. We still believe that it does, and it's more than likely that we'll be mounting another expedition in the near future to prove it once and for all.
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Certainly seems that way doesn't it. Why wouldn't you start with something a little more in your grasp.
Go get some amateur rocket materials, fit it with a camera and launch it. Get it high enough and you might be able to either:
a) see the curvature of a spheroid earth
b) see the disc like features of a flat earth
c) land the missile in Australia (depending on the launch point) as concave earth hypothesis (or dyson sphere earth as I call it)
Well within your 1300$ budget I'm sure. Or at least reasonably attainable. You're not though are you?
You're going to go for the 4 million and go "Oops! couldn't do it!"
Right? Be honest.
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God, please don't get killed by the penguins. They have razor sharp teeth and will kill you. The NASA gaurds trained them, and now, well, they kill people. A man got killed a few weeks ago.
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http://www.livescience.com/47692-high-altitude-balloons-floating-satellites.html (http://www.livescience.com/47692-high-altitude-balloons-floating-satellites.html)
Here is a cheap way to once and for all confirm a flat or round earth.
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I would like to contribute the resources of the university in which I tenure.
I will speak to some of the other deans and try to arrange a expedition.
Most likely we will have trouble with this. Forces that be may indeed find a way to halt this.
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I would like to contribute the resources of the university in which I tenure.
I will speak to some of the other deans and try to arrange a expedition.
Most likely we will have trouble with this. Forces that be may indeed find a way to halt this.
I'm sorry, but I have great difficulty in accepting that you're a "dean" at any university—particularly in Australia, because anybody who truly accepts that the earth is flat has no place in any accredited university. And there's dozens of non-accredited, self-styled "universities" particularly in the US. The fact that you claim that their are "other deans" who accept the flat earth theory also sounds less than credible.
Can you please tell me what country you reside in? (And there's no need to name the actual university itself unless you feel comfortable with doing so.)
Can you also clarify what you mean by "forces that be"? Surely the biggest difficulty in mounting this expedition would be of a financial nature, rather than any perceived opposition from sources unknown?
The other thing of course is that so far the fund raiser has failed to even make a tiny dent in the $4 million needed. It's stood at only $1300 for more than two months now, with the flat earth administrators refusing or not bothering to periodically update this total. Any donation from an educational institute would have to be in the order of tens of thousands of dollars; can you organise that? I'd be guessing not.
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Gods you are pompous.
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The other thing of course is that so far the fund raiser has failed to even make a tiny dent in the $4 million needed. It's stood at only $1300 for more than two months now, with the flat earth administrators refusing or not bothering to periodically update this total. Any donation from an educational institute would have to be in the order of tens of thousands of dollars; can you organise that? I'd be guessing not.
What makes you think we aren't checking for updates?
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What makes you think we aren't checking for updates?
Uh... maybe the fact that the grand total hasn't increased from$1,300 for more than two months?
My schoolboy maths tells me you still need another $3,998,700 to reach your goal. Not looking good is it?
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How much have you donated?
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I need not explain not must I justify my academic prowess.
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I need not explain not must I justify my academic prowess.
With writing skills like that, I think that you do.
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I find the $4,000,000 figure to seem quite high. Nonetheless I am willing to volunteer as one of the scientist types. I have BA's in physics and applied math from Rutgers University. I am also ex infantry and have some cold weather training. I will happily donate my time.
If you want this to happen, the Kickstarter idea is necessary I think. You will never find enough people here to fund it. Someone needs to actually do some serious planning and budgeting to see how much you really need to raise,however.
And some serious issues need to be addressed. Such as: "if we find Antarctica is an island we will continue onto the wall" um well since according to RE Antarctica is as far south as one can go in which direction do you intend on going. If it is an island, and if while circumnavigating it your compass always points south, then it is an island and also the most southern part of the world. Thus demonstrating your hypothesis is incorrect.
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How much have you donated?
As I'm a round earther, why would you expect me to donate to your expedition? Why would I throw my hard-earned dollars away on an expedition that'll no doubt prove what I've known as fact all my adult life?
And as you're a dedicated flat earther, may I ask how much—if anything—you've donated? And do you expect to accompany the expedition should it come to fruition, and what personal technical skills you'll provide to the expedition?
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How much have you donated?
As I'm a round earther, why would you expect me to donate to your expedition? Why would I throw my hard-earned dollars away on an expedition that'll no doubt prove what I've known as fact all my adult life?
Then how come you're positively convinced that we aren't checking and updating the funds? What if, and stick with me hear because I feel this should have dawned on you, no one has donated since you first checked?
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Then how come you're positively convinced that we aren't checking and updating the funds? What if, and stick with me hear because I feel this should have dawned on you, no one has donated since you first checked?
I'm convinced you're not updating the funds total because it hasn't increased at all in two months. Can I possibly make it any clearer Pongo?
And if nobody has donated any more in those two months, then simple maths says you're never gonna get anywhere near your required $4 million in my lifetime. Or yours.
And as I asked; have you donated anything at all? A simple yes or no will suffice.
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Then how come you're positively convinced that we aren't checking and updating the funds? What if, and stick with me hear because I feel this should have dawned on you, no one has donated since you first checked?
I'm convinced you're not updating the funds total because it hasn't increased at all in two months. Can I possibly make it any clearer Pongo?
And if nobody has donated any more in those two months, then simple maths says you're never gonna get anywhere near your required $4 million in my lifetime. Or yours.
And as I asked; have you donated anything at all? A simple yes or no will suffice.
You are better and smarter than FEers. Feel better?
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Noth does the words flay from the mouth has the last dove sailed its shore.
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Well said.
The fluttering verb floweth apart from the everything all over again.
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You are better and smarter than FEers. Feel better?
Thank you my dear stalker... yes I do. And I appreciate you thinking of my interests. :)
But I think you need to expand your claim to include all round earthers. And as a pseudo-round earther, I'm surprised that you're not asking the same questions as I am regarding the static fund-raising total.
I'm guessing though that as you're a fence-sitter, you're not quite game enough to put all your eggs in one basket. You don't wanna upset the flat earthers do you LOL.
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You are better and smarter than FEers. Feel better?
Thank you my dear stalker... yes I do. And I appreciate you thinking of my interests. :)
But I think you need to expand your claim to include all round earthers. And as a pseudo-round earther, I'm surprised that you're not asking the same questions as I am regarding the static fund-raising total.
I'm guessing though that as you're a fence-sitter, you're not quite game enough to put all your eggs in one basket. You don't wanna upset the flat earthers do you LOL.
Holy crap! How did you know!?!? It is so disquieting to be laid bare to such a potent intellect.
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Holy crap! How did you know!?!? It is so disquieting to be laid bare to such a potent intellect.
I guess I know a LOT of things you don't know (judging by your lack of meaningful input to these forums). You seem to spend countless hours hurling childish insults and put-downs at other members—rather than engaging in any sort of intellectual debate. Cheap thrills?
Although, I suppose I should be appreciative that you're apparently hanging on my every word like a faithful puppy looking for a treat? So please... feel free to respond to me whenever the urge takes you. But I can't guarantee you any "Doggy-Bytes" LOL.
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Children are dying in Africa, and some guys on the internet decided to raise 4mil dollars to prove the Earth is flat.
Beautiful. Simply beautiful.
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Children are dying in Africa, and some guys on the internet decided to raise 4mil dollars to prove the Earth is flat.
Beautiful. Simply beautiful.
Not just Africa bro. What are you doing about it?
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I'm planning a 4 million dollar expedition to the other side of the earth.
With all that custard we'll mine from the dark side of the earth, we can feed all the little starving children of the world.
What have YOU done?
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I'm planning a 4 million dollar expedition to the other side of the earth.
With all that custard we'll mine from the dark side of the earth, we can feed all the little starving children of the world.
What have YOU done?
I am a starving African child. YOU OWE ME!
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I am a somewhat hungry Canadian adult. Can I just get a sandwich or something?
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Children are dying in Africa, and some guys on the internet decided to raise 4mil dollars to prove the Earth is flat.
Beautiful. Simply beautiful.
Not just Africa bro. What are you doing about it?
I actually donated 200 euro to a foundation that gives remote villages in Africa food and water. What have you done.
Oh and btw, what guarantee does one have that the money he donates will be put to good use? You should start a kickstarter campaign or something. That way you would probably raise more money.
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New idea here!
Why don't you guys raise 1 mil $ instead, and 4 persons can go to space and see the round Earth!
http://www.virgingalactic.com/booking/ (http://www.virgingalactic.com/booking/)
Or only raise 250 000$ and send one flat earther with a camera!
4 times, or 16 times cheaper!
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Yeah but then how are you able to dodge the overall question by shrugging and saying "couldn't raise the money, OOPS!"
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I am a somewhat hungry Canadian adult. Can I just get a sandwich or something?
I.. well, yes. Actually. As an equally hungry Canadian adult, I move we ditch these weirdos and find us some goddamn bacon.
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Yeah but then how are you able to dodge the overall question by shrugging and saying "couldn't raise the money, OOPS!"
That one's easy. If by some miracle they did raise the $1/4 mil (unlikely at the rate they've been going, but still...), one goes, "forgets" to take pictures, and reports back "yep... it was flatter than a fritter, just like we've been sayin' all along! No need for anyone else to go."
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You need to fund a high-altitude balloon with a camera: much cheaper. I don't know what the problem with that would be, unless you're afraid of being proven wrong. Also, why don't you ask Thomas Dolby for money, if you haven't already? Unless, of course, he isn't a "true believer."
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You need to fund a high-altitude balloon with a camera: much cheaper. I don't know what the problem with that would be, unless you're afraid of being proven wrong. Also, why don't you ask Thomas Dolby for money, if you haven't already? Unless, of course, he isn't a "true believer."
Thomas Dolby [Morgan Robertson] has a current net wealth of approximately $40 million, so it does seem odd that he won't fund even a part of this mission—as one of the alleged lead proponents of the flat earth model.
Although I'm guessing that his "membership" of the Flat Earth Society was nothing more than a publicity stunt in order to improve sales of his 1984 album "The Flat Earth".
I also note that after nearly four months, donations towards the proposed $4 million expedition are stagnant at $1,300. Does that mean that most—all?—rational folks out there think it all sounds like a load of bovine excrement?
;D
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This should help. $750 balloon, cheap camera, flat cookies and beer $1250. Get going boys I Cant wait for the photos.
http://www.livescience.com/47692-high-altitude-balloons-floating-satellites.html (http://www.livescience.com/47692-high-altitude-balloons-floating-satellites.html)
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This should help. $750 balloon, cheap camera, flat cookies and beer $1250. Get going boys I Cant wait for the photos.
http://www.livescience.com/47692-high-altitude-balloons-floating-satellites.html (http://www.livescience.com/47692-high-altitude-balloons-floating-satellites.html)
You're forgetting that were the flat earthers to do this, it'd immediately shoot all of their beliefs about the planet's geometry out of the water in one fell swoop LOL.
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No Geoff,
The curvature they see would be explained ad hoc by 'bendy light' I am certain.
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Playing with your dick in public is illegal in Australia, someone should warn them before they plan the mission. I wish them well.
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No Geoff,
The curvature they see would be explained ad hoc by 'bendy light' I am certain.
Damn it..... I keep on forgetting that bloody bendy light. ;D
What I'm not forgetting though is to check and see if there's been any advancement in the $1,300 donation total in the past three months.
And there hasn't been. Even the FE Society's patron Thomas Dolby hasn't opened his wallet LOL.
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http://www.livescience.com/47692-high-altitude-balloons-floating-satellites.html (http://www.livescience.com/47692-high-altitude-balloons-floating-satellites.html)
Here is a cheap way to once and for all confirm a flat or round earth.
You would think that with the trillions of dollars all the world governments have spent keeping the secret of a flat earth safe, they would at least prevent the public from acquiring gear that would prove a flat earth.
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All pics from high altitude balloons I've seen show a flat earth. It's some of our strongest photographic evidence.
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All pics from high altitude balloons I've seen show a flat earth. It's some of our strongest photographic evidence.
Then you're not looking at the right pictures.
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I have volunteered to go along on this mission, and without charge. Working scientist, ex-infantry, Lets do this.
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How does ex-infantry qualify you for this expedition? Are you expecting the Ice Wall Guards to attack?
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How does ex-infantry qualify you for this expedition? Are you expecting the Ice Wall Guards to attack?
Trained how to survive without room service and when cable TV isn't working, maybe?
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More than four months and the expedition's funding is static at $1,300. Which makes me think it's gonna be impossible to ever raise the required $4 million. Has any flat earther actually contacted Thomas Dolby and run this expeditionary idea past him and/or asked for some sort of donation?
I'm also confused as to why there's been no additional donations in all this time. Would it be fair to say that there's virtually zero support for this proposed expedition even amongst the flat earth community?
And if the expedition never gets off the ground due to a lack of funding, will the people who've already donated get a refund plus interest on their money?
—If in fact this is a serious proposal (which I'm beginning to doubt) why then doesn't the FES post their bank's BSB and FES account numbers in order to make EFT donations easier?
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Jroa,
ex-infantry: I am used to harsh environments. I have cold weather training as well as emergency medical training. And extensive orienteering training and experience. So ready for the physical as well as intellectual aspects of the exercise.
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AND you've got the combat training. You know, in case the ice wall guards..
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I'm also confused as to why there's been no additional donations in all this time. Would it be fair to say that there's virtually zero support for this proposed expedition even amongst the flat earth community?
No, it would not be fair. This fund raiser is targeted at the masses of round-earthers that say things like, "simply charter an expedition." It's them that are apparently afraid of the truth.
The way I see it, the flat-earthers already contribute enough just by coming here are talking to round-earthers and answering their questions. We don't get paid for this and without us there would be no society for you to go to and entertain yourselves.
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I'm also confused as to why there's been no additional donations in all this time. Would it be fair to say that there's virtually zero support for this proposed expedition even amongst the flat earth community?
No, it would not be fair. This fund raiser is targeted at the masses of round-earthers that say things like, "simply charter an expedition." It's them that are apparently afraid of the truth.
The way I see it, the flat-earthers already contribute enough just by coming here are talking to round-earthers and answering their questions. We don't get paid for this and without us there would be no society for you to go to and entertain yourselves.
Without FETs, we all would simply be on another conspiracy, educating the ignorant and mocking the crazies.
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No, it would not be fair. This fund raiser is targeted at the masses of round-earthers that say things like, "simply charter an expedition." It's them that are apparently afraid of the truth.
Please correct me if I'm interpreting this comment incorrectly Pongo, but are you seriously suggesting that it's the round earthers who should be funding your proposed expedition?
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I've never met anyone from Connecticut or been there. Therefore it does not exist. No one has ever seen the ice wall therefore it does not exist. I've never seen the flat earth society building or met a member from it therefore it doesn't exist. You can travel to their building but it is a fake building. The members do not exist, this is a conspiracy. I believe the earth is a block of ice. Many scientists agree with my position and credible experts too! How could one deny this truth since I saw that the ice barrier is square therefore the earth is square. Einstein told me this when I got there. Then he told me to reveal this truth to true believers.
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I've never met anyone from Connecticut or been there. Therefore it does not exist. No one has ever seen the ice wall therefore it does not exist. I've never seen the flat earth society building or met a member from it therefore it doesn't exist. You can travel to their building but it is a fake building. The members do not exist, this is a conspiracy. I believe the earth is a block of ice. Many scientists agree with my position and credible experts too! How could one deny this truth since I saw that the ice barrier is square therefore the earth is square. Einstein told me this when I got there. Then he told me to reveal this truth to true believers.
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l121/OBCConan/Troll_Alert_1a.gif)
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I have done some math and with about 400 flat earthers, in order to raise $4,000,000 each flat earthers will have to donate an average if $10,000. Also, for one hundredth of the amout you need for a polar expedition, you can book a flight on Virgin Galactic's Spave Ship Two (http://www.virgingalactic.com) and see Earth from space yourself. You could also just observe the sky, but apperently light just goes wherever it pleases instead of in a strait line.
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I was counting on funding to primarily come from round-earthers.
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I was counting on funding to primarily come from round-earthers.
Anyway, you should consider my proposition about actually going to space and seeing the round Earth from space for yourself. If you did that, you would only need about $100 per flat-earther, which is much more reasonable and then you don't have to go on a long dangerous south pole expedition and instead just get a representative (like yourself) to go into a sub orbit and see what the Earth looks like.
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I was counting on funding to primarily come from round-earthers.
phhh'ahahaha. really? So if I were to plan some sort of expedition to disprove the firmament, I should go to the Christian community for funding??
Asking your opponents for funding? Who does that? If someone walked up to me on the street asking for funding for a "Yellow sky society expedition" to find out why the sky is yellow, I would laugh in their face. At length.
Repeatedly.
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I was counting on funding to primarily come from round-earthers.
phhh'ahahaha. really? So if I were to plan some sort of expedition to disprove the firmament, I should go to the Christian community for funding??
Asking your opponents for funding? Who does that? If someone walked up to me on the street asking for funding for a "Yellow sky society expedition" to find out why the sky is yellow, I would laugh in their face. At length.
Repeatedly.
It's the round-earthers that are always telling me how easy it is th charter a boat here, or simply fund an expedition there. On this very page I'm being told, in reasonable and reassuring words, that I should go into space.
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So after five months, the flat earth expedition fund has topped out at $1,300 and there it stays. It just shows how much genuine [sic] interest the average flat earther has in seeing this expedition come to fruition.
And just like all their nonsensical claims, when it comes to putting their money—literally—where their mouths are, they fall over, and start blaming the round earthers for their woes LOL. I just hope that they return all the money to the few folks gullible enough to have already donated.
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I was counting on funding to primarily come from round-earthers.
phhh'ahahaha. really? So if I were to plan some sort of expedition to disprove the firmament, I should go to the Christian community for funding??
Asking your opponents for funding? Who does that? If someone walked up to me on the street asking for funding for a "Yellow sky society expedition" to find out why the sky is yellow, I would laugh in their face. At length.
Repeatedly.
It's the round-earthers that are always telling me how easy it is th charter a boat here, or simply fund an expedition there. On this very page I'm being told, in reasonable and reassuring words, that I should go into space.
Because it is easy. Round earthers, we don't have a problem with the shape of the earth. There's been hundreds of years of people verifying what we all know. Earth is a spheroid. Why would we waste resources proving something that's been proven repeatedly? You guys want to "see it for yourselves" because everyone is in on some conspiracy that nobody has yet substantiated. So, you guys make the trip. Don't expect us to foot the bill.
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So after five months, the flat earth expedition fund has topped out at $1,300 and there it stays. It just shows how much genuine [sic] interest the average flat earther has in seeing this expedition come to fruition.
And just like all their nonsensical claims, when it comes to putting their money—literally—where their mouths are, they fall over, and start blaming the round earthers for their woes LOL. I just hope that they return all the money to the few folks gullible enough to have already donated.
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I believe that the original post clearly indicates that we are looking for donations from round-earthers.
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So after five months, the flat earth expedition fund has topped out at $1,300 and there it stays. It just shows how much genuine [sic] interest the average flat earther has in seeing this expedition come to fruition.
And just like all their nonsensical claims, when it comes to putting their money—literally—where their mouths are, they fall over, and start blaming the round earthers for their woes LOL. I just hope that they return all the money to the few folks gullible enough to have already donated.
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I believe that the original post clearly indicates that we are looking for donations from round-earthers.
The donation rewards are obviously targeting flat-earthers.
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How so? What would be a good incentive for a round-earther?
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How so? What would be a good incentive for a round-earther?
If you think about it, no round earther would pay to have a plaque with their name on it put on an ice wall that does not exist. One incentive is promising to send us a video of your face when you realize that you were wrong all along.
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Well, assuming we're wrong, you can see and record the faces yourself by donating $100,000 and accompanying the expedition. If that's too much money for you, then you can simply raise it by asking round-earthers for the cash and promising to give them copies of the video.
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I believe that the original post clearly indicates that we are looking for donations from round-earthers.
Nope. Erroneous belief. The original post not once mentioned round earthers specifically, or even intimated that it'd be them who would be expected to donate towards the proposed expedition.
Why would any round earther even contemplate donating to an ultimately lost cause? We already have empirical evidence confirming that Antarctica is an isolated continent that in no way even vaguely resembles an impenetrable ice "wall".
And besides that Pongo, how can you explain the fact that not one flat earther has donated a single cent to increase the $1,300 funding in the past five months? Surely the flat earthers should be more than a little keen to "prove" the existence of the so-called ice wall in an endeavour to support their flat earth beliefs?
(https://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/sage/oceanography/lesson4/images/antarctic_hires.gif)
This is an image of the Antarctic continent produced from the SeaWinds
active radar scatterometer mounted on the QuikSCAT (NSCAT) satellite.
I see no purported ice "walls" or any infinite ice fields extending beyond Antarctica's coastline. It appears to be completely surrounded by the Southern Ocean. Can you detect any ice walls in this image Pongo?
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I believe that the original post clearly indicates that we are looking for donations from round-earthers.
Nope. Erroneous belief. The original post not once mentioned round earthers specifically, or even intimated that it'd be them who would be expected to donate towards the proposed expedition.
Lucky for me I said "clearly indicates" and not "explicitly states," wouldn't you agree?
Why would any round earther even contemplate donating to an ultimately lost cause? We already have empirical evidence confirming that Antarctica is an isolated continent that in no way even vaguely resembles an impenetrable ice "wall".
I thought they would flock to donating after the thousands of times we've been told to "simply" go to the South Pole. It is after all, ultimately a round-earth charge we would be fulfilling. I suppose though, once a moment a seriousness glanced at the proposal that the round-earhers would start moving the goal posts and mocking the expedition.
RE: Why not just simply go to the South Pole and see that the world is round.
FE: Okay, lets start funding an expedition
RE: "Why would any round earther even contemplate donating to an ultimately lost cause?"
And besides that Pongo, how can you explain the fact that not one flat earther has donated a single cent to increase the $1,300 funding in the past five months?
What do you need explained? You seem to grasp the idea well enough.
(https://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/sage/oceanography/lesson4/images/antarctic_hires.gif)
This is an image of the Antarctic continent produced from the SeaWinds
active radar scatterometer mounted on the QuikSCAT (NSCAT) satellite.
I see no purported ice "walls" or any infinite ice fields extending beyond Antarctica's coastline. It appears to be completely surrounded by the Southern Ocean. Can you detect any ice walls in this image Pongo?
No, I cannot.
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I thought they would flock to donating after the thousands of times we've been told to "simply" go to the South Pole. It is after all, ultimately a round-earth charge we would be fulfilling.
Uh... no it's not my friend. On this issue you seem to be totally confused.
Apparently it was the sole idea of the flat earth "powers that be" (you alone?) to raise funds in order to carry out an expedition proving (or disproving) the existence of a purported ice "wall"—and thereby increasing the likelihood of the overall flat earth theory being the correct one.
By doing this (or, as is more likely not doing it LOL) you are not fulfilling any "charge" made by the round earthers to do so. We don't even need you to do it as we've already proven that the ice "wall" of yours doesn't exist—other than in your fertile imaginations LOL. In case your unaware of the fact, literally thousands of round earth scientists have visited Antarctica and covered virtually every inch of the place on foot. And from 30 or so countries.
And if I wanted to spend $15K even I could go on a trekking holiday in Antarctica. Why is it gonna cost the FES four million bucks to do the same thing?
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I thought they would flock to donating after the thousands of times we've been told to "simply" go to the South Pole. It is after all, ultimately a round-earth charge we would be fulfilling. I suppose though, once a moment a seriousness glanced at the proposal that the round-earhers would start moving the goal posts and mocking the expedition.
RE: Why not just simply go to the South Pole and see that the world is round.
FE: Okay, lets start funding an expedition
RE: "Why would any round earther even contemplate donating to an ultimately lost cause?"
RE: Why not just go to the south pole and see for yourselves
FE: Okay. Lets fund an expedition with an unattainable financial goal.
RE: You're not serious about this are you
FE: Well we were kinda hoping you'd buy our way
RE: Uhhhhh no.
It's not goalpost moving, you guys just went from 0 to 120 in 10 seconds. Baby steps. Perhaps an expedition isn't a good idea as your FIRST test. Also I doubt any of us on these forums HAVE enough cash that would put a dent in that 4 mil figure. (Liars need not apply)
You've got a hypothesis. If you can call it that. YOU test it. I for one am not going to send money to what I see as a frivolous endeavour. You want to prove your pet 'theories' then own up and do it.
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I think at this point in time, we've established that this proposed flat earth "expedition" to the location of the fanciful ice wall was really only suggested as a joke, with no intention whatsoever by any/all genuine flat earthers to make it actually happen.
And of course the $4 million figure is ludicrous. They just made sure that the expedition's cost was so far outside the realms of possibility that it'd guarantee they wouldn't have to undertake their expedition, and/or follow through with their ultimately negative findings of the wall's existence.
In fact, this thread may as well be locked, in order to avoid any further flat earth embarrassment. ::)
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I think at this point in time, we've established that this proposed flat earth "expedition" to the location of the fanciful ice wall was really only suggested as a joke, with no intention whatsoever by any/all genuine flat earthers to make it actually happen.
And of course the $4 million figure is ludicrous. They just made sure that the expedition's cost was so far outside the realms of possibility that it'd guarantee they wouldn't have to undertake their expedition, and/or follow through with their ultimately negative findings of the wall's existence.
In fact, this thread may as well be locked, in order to avoid any further flat earth embarrassment. ::)
Just another part of "The Big Joke." They have enough to be embarrased about as it is. LOL
I'm not sure, but you might ask gotham if that picture on his signature is supposed to be a picture of the ice ring ?
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I think at this point in time, we've established that this proposed flat earth "expedition" to the location of the fanciful ice wall was really only suggested as a joke, with no intention whatsoever by any/all genuine flat earthers to make it actually happen.
And of course the $4 million figure is ludicrous. They just made sure that the expedition's cost was so far outside the realms of possibility that it'd guarantee they wouldn't have to undertake their expedition, and/or follow through with their ultimately negative findings of the wall's existence.
In fact, this thread may as well be locked, in order to avoid any further flat earth embarrassment. ::)
What do you think is a reasonable amount to ask?
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What do you think is a reasonable amount to ask?
Let's say $15K per expedition member for 10 members and $50K for a geophysicist. Plus another $50K for expenses and incidentals.
How does $250K sound as a more realistic figure?
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What do you think is a reasonable amount to ask?
Let's say $15K per expedition member for 10 members and $50K for a geophysicist. Plus another $50K for expenses and incidentals.
How does $250K sound as a more realistic figure?
What about the cartographer?
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What do you think is a reasonable amount to ask?
Let's say $15K per expedition member for 10 members and $50K for a geophysicist. Plus another $50K for expenses and incidentals.
How does $250K sound as a more realistic figure?
What about the cartographer?
Who will take a GPS reciever...
Why not start by determining if a sufficiently large land or sea area is flat or round?
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What about the cartographer?
Don't need one. Route coordinates would be recorded using GPS data and transmitted back to base in US for computer mapping.
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Which map are you going to use to get to Antarctica? FE or RE one?
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No need for a map just head for the southern cross and you will hit something made from ice.
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No need for the FE Map. Just go in any direction in the direction of the ice wall and you will eventually run into it. But once you get there, there is the possibility of those NASA Guards or Giant Penguins. I think you should have on hand sufficient funds to bribe the NASA Guards to allow you to explore, chart, map and take pictures of the ice wall. Of course if you have sufficient identification to prove you are true flat earthers you could clear Ice Wall Security with no problems for safe passage to the ice wall so that the whole earth would finally know the truth.
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What about the cartographer?
Don't need one. Route coordinates would be recorded using GPS data and transmitted back to base in US for computer mapping.
You're suggesting we use GPS that we are told uses satellites? A known lie.
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You know, there is a much easier way (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62449.0#.VI5vdkZHbCQ) of finding out the shape of the Earth then A trip to Antarctica that involves exploiting this large community we have here.
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What about the cartographer?
Don't need one. Route coordinates would be recorded using GPS data and transmitted back to base in US for computer mapping.
You're suggesting we use GPS that we are told uses satellites? A known lie.
I've said it before... friggin' re-map Iowa. It's a medium-size American state with gentle terrain, a hospitable climate, with an almost perfect grid of public roads on 1-mile spacing. Use mechanical surveying instruments and steel tapes instead of high-falutin' satanic electronic gizmos. Spend a few tens of thousands of dollars (tops!) to hire a some old-fashioned land surveyors to teach a dozen or so people how to use the equipment and reduce the data, and maybe go along, then eliminate the unnecessarily-complicated spherical "corrections" and get the "true" map from your data using pure flat-earth principles.
Why propose a prohibitively-expensive, potentially dangerous junket that will never happen. Oh, wait... never mind.
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What about the cartographer?
Don't need one. Route coordinates would be recorded using GPS data and transmitted back to base in US for computer mapping.
You're suggesting we use GPS that we are told uses satellites? A known lie.
You'll find it hard to rent a boat without GPS nowadays, unless you're planning to rent something like this:
(http://rubberboats.com/templates/rubberboats.com/prodimages/challenger_3_inflatable_boat.jpg)
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You're suggesting we use GPS that we are told uses satellites? A known lie.
Are you now claiming that satellites don't exist?
And when you're "told" that Ebola is caused by a virus, do you disagree merely on the basis you don't personally know? Or when you're "told" the brakes in your car are unsafe, do you ignore that warning? Exactly how do you decide what you're told is correct or not?
Also, can you please cite a reference to your claim that the use of GPS is a "known lie"? And a lie told by whom?
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Let me get this straight, AusGeoff. You're saying that if we reduce the scope of the expedition to budgeting less than $250K, that flat-earthers and round-earthers alike will start donating in droves?
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Let me get this straight, AusGeoff. You're saying that if we reduce the scope of the expedition to budgeting less than $250K, that flat-earthers and round-earthers alike will start donating in droves?
Nope. I'm just saying that a budget of $250K is more likely to attract financial donations from flat earth folks. At $4 million, I'm guessing they see this as off-putting and/or unobtainable in the short term. Thomas Dolby himself is worth around $40 million, and if he was sincere, then $250K would be peanuts for him to have the honour of fully funding the expedition. Plus he'd more than get his money back in promos and advertising.
Has any flat earther actually contacted Dolby to see if he's at all interested?
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Wish I could make money this fast.
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Has any flat earther actually contacted Dolby to see if he's at all interested?
*crickets*
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Someone should contact Dolby. And lest we forget, I offered to go on any expedition, and will donate my time. I hold degrees in both physics and applied math from Rutgers. I have worked in several labs and I was in the infantry and trained in harsh weather environments. And if the nasty NASA ice wall guards shoot at us I can shoot back. ;)
I am serious. You guys get the cash I am in for the trip. I am willing to be objective.
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What about the cartographer?
Don't need one. Route coordinates would be recorded using GPS data and transmitted back to base in US for computer mapping.
You're suggesting we use GPS that we are told uses satellites? A known lie.
Explain how it works anywhere in the world.
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You don't gps, if you make it to Australia someone will tell you where to go.
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And here we are—six months later—with not one single donation having increased the kitty above $1,300.
Could one of the expedition organisers please let's know if the proposed expedition is still planned to take place in the near future, or its aims and scope modified, or it's been totally cancelled?
And as has been suggested a couple of times now, has any flat earther taken the trouble to contact Thomas Dolby in order to seek (part/full) funding? And if not, then why not? The guy has a personal wealth of around $40 million.
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Which map are you going to use to get to Antarctica? FE or RE one?
i'm going to use my compass & travel south to the north Pole .
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Which map are you going to use to get to Antarctica? FE or RE one?
i'm going to use my compass & travel south to the north Pole .
Remind me never to use you as navigator.
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Please, HELP US!!!!!!
Hi! My name is Alexander Laguta from Ukraine.
Confirmation needed.
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How will you measure distances?
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At this point I think it's worth closing the thread and returning the money. If it's been static for this long, it's over.
I'd also point out that small-scale experiments are generally done first. A $4 million expedition is basically the definition of not that: especially with, say, cartographers. You don't need to rigorously map something to prove it exists: just bring back some evidence, and you'll have people flocking in droves to give more money to find out about the now-proven ice wall. Every uni in the world will want the honor.
I mean, you can buy a cruise ship for less than a million. A better test is to simply keep sailing in one direction, with someone able to keep track of what direction you're heading in, and want to be heading in. You wouldn't even need a cruise ship for this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Around_the_world_sailing_record (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Around_the_world_sailing_record)
Just so long as you have someone able to ensure you're heading the same direction, you're sorted. No need to map the possibly-guarded ice wall.
From a quick google at the cost of a boat, I'd put the cost of equipment and fuel as well for a total budget of maybe $100K. Only problem is that it may be less safe: you'd need to bring in a trained sailor too. Still much easier, cheaper, and probably much safer, than a jaunt through Antarctica.
There are easier ways when bendy light etc aren't supposed, but this should make it crystal clear.
If you're serious about an expedition, kickstarter/gofundme and those sorts of sites are the way to go, though. Wider audience, as well as people who see it here. Even if there's a time limit (not necessarily the case), clearly more time isn't doing wonders for this one.
And, assuming you are serious again, plan properly. Say what each part of the budget is. For a cost of $4 million, people are going to want to know where their money goes.
So, to conclude:
1. Less ambitious expedition: you don't need to map an ice wall to show the world's flat
2. Say clearly what each bit of money's going to be spent on (eg: $20K on sailboat, $50K fuel, $20K equipment, $5K hired sailor, $5K surprise expenses)
3. Use a site designed for getting money
4. Don't go for an absurd budget
5. As has been mentioned, looking back at least one admin is/was friends with Thomas Dolby, and is in contact. If he's actually a FEer...
You can't pretend for a moment that this, as originally proposed, was a remotely reasonable expedition or feasible goal.
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Has this been suggested ?
Why not get some organization to sponsor and finance the expedition ?
Such as PBS- For examples : "The History Detectives" and "Globe Trekker" series
The History Channel
National Geographic Society - Also on PBS series
National Geographic Society Magazine would be sold out in a minute when the article about the truth that the earth is flat and a documentary about the ice ring is published !
They could supply the photographers to take photos of the ice ring , cartographers to map the ice ring and writers to write the story of the expedition and other members of the staff to make a documentary film about the expedition.
FES just need to look into the possibilities and get the ball rolling. The Expedition would most likely be the sensational news event of the year !
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I'd like to know how you explain that no one NO ONE has ever taken a single picture of the so called edge of the earth???
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I'd like to know how you explain that no one NO ONE has ever taken a single picture of the so called edge of the earth???
Is that NO ONE or did you mean ONE ONE?.
You do realise ONE ONE was a race horse don't you?
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I'd like to know how you explain that no one NO ONE has ever taken a single picture of the so called edge of the earth???
This is one of the major goals of the proposed FE expedition; that is, to obtain photographic evidence of its existence. Currently, there exists no credible images of the purported "ice wall" and/or any indication of what may or may not lie beyond the wall. The flat earthers claim that the continent of Antarctica, as represented by the round earthers does not exist as such, nor has it been mapped, explored, circumnavigated or photographed.
Part of their proposed expedition is to prove this claim by providing contradictory and confirming evidence for their claims about the ice-covered lands to the south being a continuous "wall" encircling the flat earth.
The flat earthers contend that all evidence for the existence of the Antarctic continent is bogus, fabricated by the US government, NASA and ESA, the scientific lobby for financial gain, corporatists with vested interests, or a secretive New World Order controlled by the Bilderberg Group, the Jesuits, the Freemasons, the British Royal family etc.
Although, as they've received no funding from members of the FES, I'm extremely doubtful that their expedition, as planned to cost $4 million will ever take place. I, and others here, have suggested a far more modest budget—say $250,000 or so—but the flat earthers claim that this would be insufficient to fully fund their expedition's technical requirements. The fund was opened six months ago, but the flat earthers are unable to explain why not one single donation has been made in that time.
Thomas Dolby (the English musician and producer) is the number one member of the FES, and has an estimated personal wealth of $40 million. Thus far, no flat earther has made representations to Dolby in order to even partially fund the expedition. None of them can explain this more than logical course of action.
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Perhaps Pongo should have done this on Kickstarter so that we can all track the progress. A much larger potential donor pool would be nice too.
I heard that Kickstarter has a time limit and if you don't reach your goal in the time limit you get nothing. I fear that this may take awhile to gather the funds required. As of yet, no one has donated anything but me.
You've admitted that even you haven't donated anything.
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You've admitted that even you haven't donated anything.
I really think it's time that the FES made public a list of those people who've already donated—as does any/all TV charity marathon.
Even to prove the sincerity of the expedition's organisers if nothing else. They've also not confirmed contacting their #1 member Thomas Dolby for a contribution—possibly a major one. Why is this?
And is any flat earther in a position to confirm that the proposed expedition is still a going concern, or has it been postponed due to a lack of funding?
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You've admitted that even you haven't donated anything.
I really think it's time that the FES made public a list of those people who've already donated—as does any/all TV charity marathon.
Even to prove the sincerity of the expedition's organisers if nothing else. They've also not confirmed contacting their #1 member Thomas Dolby for a contribution—possibly a major one. Why is this?
And is any flat earther in a position to confirm that the proposed expedition is still a going concern, or has it been postponed due to a lack of funding?
Pongo admitted that there's not a single penny in the fund pot right now. So of course it's been postponed.
They won't approach Thomas Dolby because (a) he doesn't really believe the earth is flat (b) if he contributed money they'd have to have an expedition, rather than just pretend to want one. And since they don't really believe the earth is flat either, the whole project is just for show. Pongo knew perfectly well it could never happen so he was free to pretend.
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I guess we'll find out on the expedition.
And how do you know I haven't since donated? Each post on these boards aren't current by the time you get around to reading them.
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And how do you know I haven't since donated? Each post on these boards aren't current by the time you get around to reading them.
Eight months ago the total donations were listed as $1,300 and that figure has not once been revised to reflect any further donations. Are you claiming that the figure is incorrect Pongo, and if it is, could you please revise it to represent the current figure.
You also haven't yet confirmed if the #1 member Thomas Dolby has been approached for a donation, and if he hasn't why not. Surely a multi-millionaire would be happy to donate a fairly decent sum to promote something he apparently believes in? Or was he approached but refused to donate?
Or, even worse, was his alleged #1 "membership" simply a cynical self-promotion for his own 1984 album "Flat Earth"? Without any evidence to the contrary, I'm starting to believe this is exactly the case Pongo. Can you deny this?
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As Jane sugested kickstarter would be a good place to acquire funding, as well as any of the named televisions programs.
Any plan to try either Pogo?
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As Jane sugested kickstarter would be a good place to acquire funding, as well as any of the named televisions programs.
Any plan to try either Pogo?
No. Kickstarter has a time limit and if you don't meet the goal in the required time, you get no money. I haven't looked into television programs.
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And how do you know I haven't since donated? Each post on these boards aren't current by the time you get around to reading them.
Eight months ago the total donations were listed as $1,300 and that figure has not once been revised to reflect any further donations. Are you claiming that the figure is incorrect Pongo, and if it is, could you please revise it to represent the current figure.
You also haven't yet confirmed if the #1 member Thomas Dolby has been approached for a donation, and if he hasn't why not. Surely a multi-millionaire would be happy to donate a fairly decent sum to promote something he apparently believes in? Or was he approached but refused to donate?
Or, even worse, was his alleged #1 "membership" simply a cynical self-promotion for his own 1984 album "Flat Earth"? Without any evidence to the contrary, I'm starting to believe this is exactly the case Pongo. Can you deny this?
I adjusted the first post in light of your repeated comments.
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No. Kickstarter has a time limit and if you don't meet the goal in the required time, you get no money.
How exactly has more time helped this thread?
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No. Kickstarter has a time limit and if you don't meet the goal in the required time, you get no money.
How exactly has more time helped this thread?
What do you mean? Would you not agree that we would have failed to meet a Kiskstarter deadline by now? By not being on Kickstarter we have not failed to meet their deadline. Seems super obvious to me.
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Why not make it a Facebook campaign? I'm sure loads of people would donate a small amount, just out of interest to see the results of the expedition.
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What do you mean? Would you not agree that we would have failed to meet a Kiskstarter deadline by now? By not being on Kickstarter we have not failed to meet their deadline. Seems super obvious to me.
How is one thread on one minor website comparable to kickstarter?
Plus Kickstarter have actually shown that, with a shorter deadline, there's more urgency, and regardless more people will come by to see it.
Plus you could always budget better and design a reasonable expedition for a lower cost, then asking for $4 million and handwaving any query as to why that much.
If you're serious, try to actually say what you're going to do with the money, and try kickstarter.
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Exactly Jane. And I am onboard.
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As Jane sugested kickstarter would be a good place to acquire funding, as well as any of the named televisions programs.
Any plan to try either Pogo?
No. Kickstarter has a time limit and if you don't meet the goal in the required time, you get no money.
Kickstarter also requires a detailed plan and budget. Two things that this "expedition" lack.
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—What problems or risks do you foresee?
Finding unindoctrinated scientists and crew willing to go on this expedition. There is also many inherent dangers in going into such extreme environments. There is also a real risk of health concerns when approaching the rim.
• Can you please let us know how many scientists you've approached thus far about accompanying your expedition Pongo?
• Can you also name any scientists who've agreed (potentially or as a possibility) to do so? (Either flat or round earth?)
• Could you also tell us the reasons why—specifically—that those that refused to partake did so?
• Finally, could you please tell us what you mean—in flat earth terms—by the word "unindoctrinated"? Does it have the meaning of "believe that the earth is flat"?
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Geoff,
I am still willing to go. Physics and Applied Math degrees. Veteran of several labs.
:D
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Geoff,
I am still willing to go. Physics and Applied Math degrees. Veteran of several labs.
Unfortunately Donald, by letting them know you're more than well qualified in the sciences, you've inadvertently excluded yourself from their choice of participants. You're what the flat earthers term an "indoctrinated scientist" and as such there's no way they'll let you be party to their research—because you'll distort all their "evidence", deny that you actually "saw" their ice wall or you'll later claim they paid you to lie. They'll also say you're simply pandering to your controllers at the New World Order headquarters, in order to provide even more disinformation for them to disseminate.
And physics and maths are both anathema to the flat earth cause. Sorry mate. :P
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—What problems or risks do you foresee?
Finding unindoctrinated scientists and crew willing to go on this expedition. There is also many inherent dangers in going into such extreme environments. There is also a real risk of health concerns when approaching the rim.
• Can you please let us know how many scientists you've approached thus far about accompanying your expedition Pongo?
• Can you also name any scientists who've agreed (potentially or as a possibility) to do so? (Either flat or round earth?)
• Could you also tell us the reasons why—specifically—that those that refused to partake did so?
• Finally, could you please tell us what you mean—in flat earth terms—by the word "unindoctrinated"? Does it have the meaning of "believe that the earth is flat"?
Q1: Zero
Q2: No
Q3: N/A
Q4: By unindoctrinated, I mean someone who won't reject the idea of a flat-earth outright. Someone who will approach the expedition without prejudice to and one theory.
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—What problems or risks do you foresee?
Finding unindoctrinated scientists and crew willing to go on this expedition. There is also many inherent dangers in going into such extreme environments. There is also a real risk of health concerns when approaching the rim.
• Can you please let us know how many scientists you've approached thus far about accompanying your expedition Pongo?
• Can you also name any scientists who've agreed (potentially or as a possibility) to do so? (Either flat or round earth?)
• Could you also tell us the reasons why—specifically—that those that refused to partake did so?
• Finally, could you please tell us what you mean—in flat earth terms—by the word "unindoctrinated"? Does it have the meaning of "believe that the earth is flat"?
Q1: Zero
Q2: No
Q3: N/A
Q4: By unindoctrinated, I mean someone who won't reject the idea of a flat-earth outright. Someone who will approach the expedition without prejudice to and one theory.
By the time you'll have that insane amount of money together I'll have my Masters in Environmental Sciences, meaning a year of physics, 4 years of math culminating in advanced Calculus and 4 years of Chemistry and Biology. I'd be happy to go and keep an open mind.
Where do I sign up?
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Pogo again lists zero scientists even though I have repeatedly offered to go for free.
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• Can you please let us know how many scientists you've approached thus far about accompanying your expedition Pongo?
• Can you also name any scientists who've agreed (potentially or as a possibility) to do so? (Either flat or round earth?)
• Could you also tell us the reasons why—specifically—that those that refused to partake did so?
• Finally, could you please tell us what you mean—in flat earth terms—by the word "unindoctrinated"? Does it have the meaning of "believe that the earth is flat"?
Q1: Zero
Q2: No
Q3: N/A
Q4: By unindoctrinated, I mean someone who won't reject the idea of a flat-earth outright. Someone who will approach the expedition without prejudice to and one theory.
• So you've not approached any scientists at all to take part in your expedition? Why not—considering their expertise is essential to the success of the mission?
• Do you believe that you'll eventually find a scientist (or scientists) who won't have any prejudice against the notion of a flat earth?
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Pogo again lists zero scientists even though I have repeatedly offered to go for free.
When the time comes all applications will be considered. Thank you for your eagerness in the expedition, I assure you that your enthusiasm is appreciated.
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You have not contacted any scientists, how exactly do you expect to have anyone apply? If you guys are serious you need to look into a kicksarter campaign and contact Dolby.
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Dolby? The sound people?
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When the time comes all applications will be considered.
Can you please clarify what you mean by "when the time comes" Pongo? Are you talking about a specific time period—6 months? a year? 5 years?—or such a time as you've raised sufficient funding to call for applicants and pay for their services?
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Dolby? The sound people?
No. Thomas Dolby, musician and registered member #1 of the Flat Earth Society.
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Thomas Dolby is a great man, and a great musician. He even has an album named The Flat Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flat_Earth). Surely we should contact him for assistance.
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Thomas Dolby is a great man, and a great musician. He even has an album named The Flat Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flat_Earth). Surely we should contact him for assistance.
I agree. As I've mentioned before, Dolby has a personal wealth of around $40 million, so he'd be a certainty to donate a decent amount—if not the entire amount. Particularly considering he's the FES's #1 member.
I'm guessing though that as has happened—or not happened—in the past, the flat earthers won't acknowledge whether or not they've actually contacted Dolby about their expedition.
So flat earthers... have you contacted Dolby or not? A simple yes or no will do.
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I may have to look into a kickstarter or similar campaign. If enough is raised then I donate it to the FES. A more modest proposal with realistic goals.
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Interesting. If I get any extra money, I might actually donate. It would be rather amusing if you discovered that the world actually was round.
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Interesting. If I get any extra money, I might actually donate. It would be rather amusing if you discovered that the world actually was round.
Not if, when.
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Simple maths tells me that if only $1,300 has been raised in nearly 12 months, then it's gonna take the flat earthers approximately 3,077 years to enable the expedition to be fully funded. And even if it was $13,000 raised in 12 months, it'll still take 308 years to fund.
Ergo, this proposed flat earth "expedition will never take place. :P
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My friends, the simplest and cheapest way to prove or disprove the Flat Earth hypothesis is simply to fly a plane over the putative South Pole. An Airbus can be rented to fly from South America to Australia for less than $200,000 and over this amount has already been collected, to my understanding. The only limitation to this flight would be the Antarctic Treaty which was specifically designed to prevent just this sort of experiment. However, I have friends that assure me that the US Military will NOT shoot us down if we make sure a flight using LIVESTREAM video. Too much bad publicity for the Illuminati Globalists to actually kill explorers looking to test the Flat/Round earth theories. I can also contribute $10,000-$20,000 and have experience in multiple relevant fields, am a PhD researcher & Professor at an Ivy League University, and am quite well connected to make this flight happen. Please email me at [email protected] for additional information. Sincerely, Jim
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Also, if money is an issue, it is simple to solve. Just sell $1,000 tickets on the Airbus that will fly over the South Pole. If you sell more than 200 tickets you will actually make a large profit should the Flat Earth model be incorrect, but if it is correct you will change every understanding of our world. I personally have become quite convinced of the indirect data in support of the Flat World hypothesis, but only a flight over the "SouthPole"/Outer Wall of our world will prove definite evidence one way or the other. Once we hit 200 people each willing to pay $1,000 each, then we will be ready to fly. So, anyone interested in going? Email me at [email protected]
Best,
Jim
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Also, if money is an issue, it is simple to solve. Just sell $1,000 tickets on the Airbus that will fly over the South Pole. If you sell more than 200 tickets you will actually make a large profit should the Flat Earth model be incorrect, but if it is correct you will change every understanding of our world. I personally have become quite convinced of the indirect data in support of the Flat World hypothesis, but only a flight over the "SouthPole"/Outer Wall of our world will prove definite evidence one way or the other. Once we hit 200 people each willing to pay $1,000 each, then we will be ready to fly. So, anyone interested in going? Email me at [email protected]
Best,
Jim
While you are there you should look up in the night sky and notice how the stars move in a way that's impossible on a flat Earth.
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Also, if money is an issue, it is simple to solve. Just sell $1,000 tickets on the Airbus that will fly over the South Pole. If you sell more than 200 tickets you will actually make a large profit should the Flat Earth model be incorrect, but if it is correct you will change every understanding of our world. I personally have become quite convinced of the indirect data in support of the Flat World hypothesis, but only a flight over the "SouthPole"/Outer Wall of our world will prove definite evidence one way or the other. Once we hit 200 people each willing to pay $1,000 each, then we will be ready to fly. So, anyone interested in going? Email me at [email protected]
Best,
Jim
While you are there you should look up in the night sky and notice how the stars move in a way that's impossible on a flat Earth.
Sorry my friend, you are confused. The rotational movement of the stars around Polaris should ONLY be visible at the exact North Pole, not all over the Northern hemisphere, you have been brainwashed by Satanists from birth. The movement of the stars only makes any sense with a flat Earth model. But I am not here to debate, I am here to organize a flight out of this artificial Earth prison we exist in. Would you like to join me brother? If you are right then we will land in Australia, and I will admit I was wrong, but if I am right, I will make you immortal...
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Also, if money is an issue, it is simple to solve. Just sell $1,000 tickets on the Airbus that will fly over the South Pole. If you sell more than 200 tickets you will actually make a large profit should the Flat Earth model be incorrect, but if it is correct you will change every understanding of our world. I personally have become quite convinced of the indirect data in support of the Flat World hypothesis, but only a flight over the "SouthPole"/Outer Wall of our world will prove definite evidence one way or the other. Once we hit 200 people each willing to pay $1,000 each, then we will be ready to fly. So, anyone interested in going? Email me at [email protected]
Best,
Jim
While you are there you should look up in the night sky and notice how the stars move in a way that's impossible on a flat Earth.
Sorry my friend, you are confused. The rotational movement of the stars around Polaris should ONLY be visible at the exact North Pole, not all over the Northern hemisphere, you have been brainwashed by Satanists from birth. The movement of the stars only makes any sense with a flat Earth model. But I am not here to debate, I am here to organize a flight out of this artificial Earth prison we exist in. Would you like to join me brother? If you are right then we will land in Australia, and I will admit I was wrong, but if I am right, I will make you immortal...
I see you have the spatial reasoning of a flat earther, on a round Earth you would have a ~180 degree field of view of the stars and considering that the poles are exactaly opisite of each other it's impossible to not see one of the polar rotation points from everywhere on Earth so long as you have a clear 189 degree view and you are not exactaly on the equator.
I might go on your expedition just to see your priceless faces when you find yourself on the other side of Antarctica and hear your insane explenations for the motion if the southern stars.
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My friends, the simplest and cheapest way to prove or disprove the Flat Earth hypothesis is simply to fly a plane over the putative South Pole. An Airbus can be rented to fly from South America to Australia for less than $200,000 and over this amount has already been collected, to my understanding. The only limitation to this flight would be the Antarctic Treaty which was specifically designed to prevent just this sort of experiment. However, I have friends that assure me that the US Military will NOT shoot us down if we make sure a flight using LIVESTREAM video. Too much bad publicity for the Illuminati Globalists to actually kill explorers looking to test the Flat/Round earth theories. I can also contribute $10,000-$20,000 and have experience in multiple relevant fields, am a PhD researcher & Professor at an Ivy League University, and am quite well connected to make this flight happen. Please email me at [email protected] for additional information. Sincerely, Jim
Wait, before it was a trip you already planned with other people, and they wouldn't shoot you down because they feared your family.
Your story changed, why?
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Also, if money is an issue, it is simple to solve. Just sell $1,000 tickets on the Airbus that will fly over the South Pole. If you sell more than 200 tickets you will actually make a large profit should the Flat Earth model be incorrect, but if it is correct you will change every understanding of our world. I personally have become quite convinced of the indirect data in support of the Flat World hypothesis, but only a flight over the "SouthPole"/Outer Wall of our world will prove definite evidence one way or the other. Once we hit 200 people each willing to pay $1,000 each, then we will be ready to fly. So, anyone interested in going? Email me at [email protected]
Best,
Jim
While you are there you should look up in the night sky and notice how the stars move in a way that's impossible on a flat Earth.
Sorry my friend, you are confused. The rotational movement of the stars around Polaris should ONLY be visible at the exact North Pole, not all over the Northern hemisphere, you have been brainwashed by Satanists from birth. The movement of the stars only makes any sense with a flat Earth model. But I am not here to debate, I am here to organize a flight out of this artificial Earth prison we exist in. Would you like to join me brother? If you are right then we will land in Australia, and I will admit I was wrong, but if I am right, I will make you immortal...
I see you have the spatial reasoning of a flat earther, on a round Earth you would have a ~180 degree field of view of the stars and considering that the poles are exactaly opisite of each other it's impossible to not see one of the polar rotation points from everywhere on Earth so long as you have a clear 189 degree view and you are not exactaly on the equator.
I might go on your expedition just to see your priceless faces when you find yourself on the other side of Antarctica and hear your insane explenations for the motion if the southern stars.
Just don't drink any Kool-Aid they offer you.
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What If NASA kills you at the wall?
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What If NASA kills you at the wall?
Then I would be dead.
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While you are there you should look up in the night sky and notice how the stars move in a way that's impossible on a flat Earth.
lol, you are so childish. You think the stars can be seen rotating like a pinwheel while flying hundreds of miles per hour and viewing through a window with a 2 degree view. Maybe, they will see unicorns and Thor and Vauxhall's fairies while they are up there, lol. You are the most childish roundy I can ever remember meeting.
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lol, you are so childish. You think the stars can be seen rotating like a pinwheel while flying hundreds of miles per hour and viewing through a window with a 2 degree view. Maybe, they will see unicorns and Thor and Vauxhall's fairies while they are up there, lol. You are the most childish roundy I can ever remember meeting.
Maybe childish in the way that even a child can look out the window and see the circular motion of stars. Is it that difficult to grasp the concept, jroa?
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lol, you are so childish. You think the stars can be seen rotating like a pinwheel while flying hundreds of miles per hour and viewing through a window with a 2 degree view. Maybe, they will see unicorns and Thor and Vauxhall's fairies while they are up there, lol. You are the most childish roundy I can ever remember meeting.
Maybe childish in the way that even a child can look out the window and see the circular motion of stars. Is it that difficult to grasp the concept, jroa?
I have been looking at the stars for most of the night, every time I go outside for a smoke. I have never once noticed them moving in circles. Admittedly, I can't see a lot of stars tonight, but the ones I see do not appear to be moving in circles. Perhaps you are trying to claim that the stars seen in an airplane can clearly be seen moving in circles? Or, maybe you roundies are just flat out lying again? I have not made up my mind yet.
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I have been looking at the stars for most of the night, every time I go outside for a smoke. I have never once noticed them moving in circles. Admittedly, I can't see a lot of stars tonight, but the ones I see do not appear to be moving in circles. Perhaps you are trying to claim that the stars seen in an airplane can clearly be seen moving in circles? Or, maybe you roundies are just flat out lying again? I have not made up my mind yet.
Do you have an Android phone or an Iphone?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ui.LapseIt&hl=en
https://itunes.apple.com/ro/app/hyperlapse-from-instagram/id740146917?mt=8
Download one of these apps, plug your phone in, put it on record on a clear night facing the sky, and leave it for 4 hours. Then see the motion for yourself.
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I have been looking at the stars for most of the night, every time I go outside for a smoke. I have never once noticed them moving in circles. Admittedly, I can't see a lot of stars tonight, but the ones I see do not appear to be moving in circles. Perhaps you are trying to claim that the stars seen in an airplane can clearly be seen moving in circles? Or, maybe you roundies are just flat out lying again? I have not made up my mind yet.
Do you have an Android phone or an Iphone?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ui.LapseIt&hl=en
https://itunes.apple.com/ro/app/hyperlapse-from-instagram/id740146917?mt=8
Download one of these apps, plug your phone in, put it on record on a clear night facing the sky, and leave it for 4 hours. Then see the motion for yourself.
That is not the claim. The claim that I was responding to was that you could fly over Antarctica and see the stars rotating. Please don't just start derailing when you or your roundies get proven wrong.
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I have been looking at the stars for most of the night, every time I go outside for a smoke. I have never once noticed them moving in circles. Admittedly, I can't see a lot of stars tonight, but the ones I see do not appear to be moving in circles. Perhaps you are trying to claim that the stars seen in an airplane can clearly be seen moving in circles? Or, maybe you roundies are just flat out lying again? I have not made up my mind yet.
Do you have an Android phone or an Iphone?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ui.LapseIt&hl=en
https://itunes.apple.com/ro/app/hyperlapse-from-instagram/id740146917?mt=8
Download one of these apps, plug your phone in, put it on record on a clear night facing the sky, and leave it for 4 hours. Then see the motion for yourself.
That is not the claim. The claim that I was responding to was that you could fly over Antarctica and see the stars rotating. Please don't just start derailing when you or your roundies get proven wrong.
No, that's not what he meant. If you look at the night sky, and use the timelapse apps I gave you, you will observe that stars appear to rotate around a point in the sky. That point will either be towards the north if you're in the northern hemisphere, or it will be towards the south if you're in the southern hemisphere, and it represents the point right above the north/south pole.
Try it for yourself! I gave you the tools.
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I have been looking at the stars for most of the night, every time I go outside for a smoke. I have never once noticed them moving in circles. Admittedly, I can't see a lot of stars tonight, but the ones I see do not appear to be moving in circles. Perhaps you are trying to claim that the stars seen in an airplane can clearly be seen moving in circles? Or, maybe you roundies are just flat out lying again? I have not made up my mind yet.
Do you have an Android phone or an Iphone?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ui.LapseIt&hl=en
https://itunes.apple.com/ro/app/hyperlapse-from-instagram/id740146917?mt=8
Download one of these apps, plug your phone in, put it on record on a clear night facing the sky, and leave it for 4 hours. Then see the motion for yourself.
That is not the claim. The claim that I was responding to was that you could fly over Antarctica and see the stars rotating. Please don't just start derailing when you or your roundies get proven wrong.
No, that's not what he meant. If you look at the night sky, and use the timelapse apps I gave you, you will observe that stars appear to rotate around a point in the sky. That point will either be towards the north if you're in the northern hemisphere, or it will be towards the south if you're in the southern hemisphere, and it represents the point right above the north/south pole.
Try it for yourself! I gave you the tools.
Perhaps you should actually read the posts that people make and not just derail threads when you get pushed in a corner.
Also, if money is an issue, it is simple to solve. Just sell $1,000 tickets on the Airbus that will fly over the South Pole. If you sell more than 200 tickets you will actually make a large profit should the Flat Earth model be incorrect, but if it is correct you will change every understanding of our world. I personally have become quite convinced of the indirect data in support of the Flat World hypothesis, but only a flight over the "SouthPole"/Outer Wall of our world will prove definite evidence one way or the other. Once we hit 200 people each willing to pay $1,000 each, then we will be ready to fly. So, anyone interested in going? Email me at [email protected]
Best,
Jim
While you are there you should look up in the night sky and notice how the stars move in a way that's impossible on a flat Earth.
One individual is suggesting flying over the pole, another individual is suggesting that, while doing this, one should observe the stars moving, and then you barge in claiming that the conversation is about Android apps. Please, just stop derailing.
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lol, you are so childish. You think the stars can be seen rotating like a pinwheel while flying hundreds of miles per hour and viewing through a window with a 2 degree view. Maybe, they will see unicorns and Thor and Vauxhall's fairies while they are up there, lol. You are the most childish roundy I can ever remember meeting.
Apart from derailing the thread and posting a personal insult (both forum breaches) these comments simply indicate that you have little idea of what you are talking about. You seem not to understand that the apparent "movement" of the stars when viewed by the unaided human eye is so insignificant that it cannot be perceived without the appropriate astronomical equipment. It makes not one whit of difference whether the stars are being viewed from a static position on the ground, or from the window of a moving airplane. Which, incidentally, offers nearly a 180-degree view.
The fact that you seem to think the star patterns will instantly resemble a "pinwheel" firecracker also confirms your lack of astronomical knowledge. And yes; if you DO repeatedly check the positions of any of the major constellations whilst you are outside promoting an early death, you WILL see that the stars have rotated in the sky. I can guarantee it.
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that's a scam
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250k sent, hope this helps. Can anyone confirm it went through ok?
If you actulley did that, you're an idiot...
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250k sent, hope this helps. Can anyone confirm it went through ok?
If you actulley did that, you're an idiot...
Haven't you met Scepti?
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250k sent, hope this helps. Can anyone confirm it went through ok?
If you actulley did that, you're an idiot...
If keep reading the next page:
He PM'd me "K" 250 times. We only accept donations via paypal in USD.
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Hey, I donated $70.80 to the cause! Congrats! ;)
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Lets say this forum has around 1000 active users...
Even if everyone here would donate 1000 Dollars you would not have enough...
Omg.. LMFAO
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Lets say this forum has around 1000 active users...
Even if everyone here would donate 1000 Dollars you would not have enough...
Omg.. LMFAO
Have they made 2 bob yet.
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This thread got unpinned for some reason. How do they expect to raise money for the proposed expedition if the appeal for funds slips into the oblivion of page 3 and beyond?
Was this an error, or have "plans" for an expedition been scrapped? Maybe someone realized that such a project would doom their own cherished idea, and, rather than announce it's being abandoned, the hope was for the idea to simply slip away. Hoping that bad ideas and dead-end arguments just get forgotten seems pretty common around here.
Here are some search terms to locate this post and, thus, the tread it's in, if anyone feels a need to refer back to it:
expeditionfundraiserthread
expeditionfundraiser
fundraiserthread
You should be able to search for any of those joined-together words and avoid too many false hits.
[Edit] Attempted partial-word searches and failed. Added the last two terms.