The Flat Earth Society
The Flat Earth Society => Suggestions & Concerns => Topic started by: Rushy on September 09, 2013, 08:00:02 PM
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http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59507.msg1538434.html#msg1538434 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59507.msg1538434.html#msg1538434)
Ask one question and a thousand off-topic posts follow you like little fairies of discussion destruction. What the hell is going on?
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,58190.msg1538872.html#msg1538872 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,58190.msg1538872.html#msg1538872)
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RE'ers seem to think that Q&A is for them to debate. It is sad, but true.
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I still miss Thork as curator.
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I still miss Thork as curator.
Up There - Satan, South Park (HD) Lyrics (http://#ws)
I will rise again. ;)
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Seriously. It's no wonder most of FES regulars have abandoned the upper fora. It makes you not want to put much effort into posts if you know all is going to follow is ten different garbage posts. By all means, make Thork curator again. Make Saddam moderator. Do something about it, dammit. >:(
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I still miss Thork as curator.
Up There - Satan, South Park (HD) Lyrics (http://#ws)
I will rise again. ;)
You should try posting less often, or fewer frightening things. That way, our recommendations won't seem so ridiculous.
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I still miss Thork as curator.
Up There - Satan, South Park (HD) Lyrics (http://#ws)
I will rise again. ;)
You should try posting less often, or fewer frightening things. That way, our recommendations won't seem so ridiculous.
I am what I am. I'm not perfect. You have to accept both sides of me. The useful no nonsense FE pro and the hormonally imbalanced temperamental narcissist with a penchant for internet violence. Its really a choice of volatile activity, injustice and pain or boredom, sterility and a sea of annoying noobs that won't piss off.
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I will be the first to admit that Thork was a better Curator than I was. He just flies off the handle occasionally and basically rage quit.
I would vote for Thork to at least be given Curator status.
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RE'ers seem to think that Q&A is for them to debate. It is sad, but true.
Tom Bishop pulled at least his own weight in turning that thread in to a debate.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59507.msg1538434.html#msg1538434 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59507.msg1538434.html#msg1538434)
Ask one question and a thousand off-topic posts follow you like little fairies of discussion destruction. What the hell is going on?
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,58190.msg1538872.html#msg1538872 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,58190.msg1538872.html#msg1538872)
If you do not have the self-awareness to appreciate your particular tone or method of eliciting reactions from people then I can forgive your apparent ignorance. Otherwise you are just immature.
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RE'ers seem to think that Q&A is for them to debate. It is sad, but true.
Tom Bishop pulled at least his own weight in turning that thread in to a debate.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59507.msg1538434.html#msg1538434 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59507.msg1538434.html#msg1538434)
Tom Bishop gives answers to questions. They are FE answers. The forum is FE Q&A, implying that FE questions would be asked and FE answers would be given.
Ask one question and a thousand off-topic posts follow you like little fairies of discussion destruction. What the hell is going on?
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,58190.msg1538872.html#msg1538872 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,58190.msg1538872.html#msg1538872)
If you do not have the self-awareness to appreciate your particular tone or method of eliciting reactions from people then I can forgive your apparent ignorance. Otherwise you are just immature.
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Tom Bishop pulled at least his own weight in turning that thread in to a debate.
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You may or may not be able to see Jroa's response, but here it is:
Tom Bishop gives answers to questions. They are FE answers. The forum is FE Q&A, implying that FE questions would be asked and FE answers would be given.
And he is very much correct. FE Q&A is not for debate. You do not argue with what Tom says. You ask, Tom answers, end of discussion.
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I will be the first to admit that Thork was a better Curator than I was. He just flies off the handle occasionally and basically rage quit.
I would vote for Thork to at least be given Curator status.
Th*rk did the right thing and moved a silly post.
It is what all good curators do.
For some reason you can't move posts for any reason for users that have 5 lit squares.
Even Junker won't do it. And he moves everything.
What is really sad that Willmore did not back Th*rk. By this he showed terrible leadership.
Th*rk should not only be given his status back, Willmore should apologize.
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You may or may not be able to see Jroa's response, but here it is:
Tom Bishop gives answers to questions. They are FE answers. The forum is FE Q&A, implying that FE questions would be asked and FE answers would be given.
And he is very much correct. FE Q&A is not for debate. You do not argue with what Tom says. You ask, Tom answers, end of discussion.
So you're saying that we can't request clarification or call BS on answers that don't make sense?
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You may or may not be able to see Jroa's response, but here it is:
Tom Bishop gives answers to questions. They are FE answers. The forum is FE Q&A, implying that FE questions would be asked and FE answers would be given.
And he is very much correct. FE Q&A is not for debate. You do not argue with what Tom says. You ask, Tom answers, end of discussion.
So you're saying that we can't request clarification or call BS on answers that don't make sense?
I figure if you have that much beef with something, you could put in it Flat Earth Debate. Seems like that's why it's there.
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As it is Q&A, surely we should be allowed to Question the Answer too
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You may or may not be able to see Jroa's response, but here it is:
Tom Bishop gives answers to questions. They are FE answers. The forum is FE Q&A, implying that FE questions would be asked and FE answers would be given.
And he is very much correct. FE Q&A is not for debate. You do not argue with what Tom says. You ask, Tom answers, end of discussion.
So you're saying that we can't request clarification or call BS on answers that don't make sense?
Its FE Q&A. Its not FE Q&A&RC&CBS. You need to stop causing problems.
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You may or may not be able to see Jroa's response, but here it is:
Tom Bishop gives answers to questions. They are FE answers. The forum is FE Q&A, implying that FE questions would be asked and FE answers would be given.
And he is very much correct. FE Q&A is not for debate. You do not argue with what Tom says. You ask, Tom answers, end of discussion.
So you're saying that we can't request clarification or call BS on answers that don't make sense?
Its FE Q&A. Its not FE Q&A&RC&CBS. You need to stop causing problems.
I personally cannot accept evident falsehoods as answers. So if someone's answer falls in to that catergory it is not trouble making to rebut or respond. This is not trouble-making and the hard-line stance being taken is totally unproductive. However, if a mod were to step in to an actual thread and ask that the debate be shelved, I would of course be respectful, so long as the mod understands that there are sometimes issues of clarification, correction, or elucidation that need to be addressed.
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I personally cannot accept evident falsehoods as answers.
Try.
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I personally cannot accept evident falsehoods as answers.
Try.
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Nope. Sorry. Can't do it.
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I personally cannot accept evident falsehoods as answers.
Try.
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Nope. Sorry. Can't do it.
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FE Q&A should be purely for question and answer. If you want to debate the answer, do it in the proper forum. You can even leave a link in the Q&A thread if you want. If you can't abide by these simple rules, a ban should be in order.
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I think the problem here is many people can't differentiate between asking for clarification on an answer, and challenging an answer to spark debate. The former is acceptable; the latter is unacceptable. In the FE Q&A section, you should be asking question to better understand FET. In the debate sections you may challenge FET.
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I agree with Franklin, even though he is a druggy.
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FE Q&A should be purely for question and answer. If you want to debate the answer, do it in the proper forum. You can even leave a link in the Q&A thread if you want. If you can't abide by these simple rules, a ban should be in order.
I disagree. An unsatisfactory answer is no answer.
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markjo, think about the name Q&A in a FE context.
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Different FE models have different answers to the same question. How are we to know which answers to which models are the correct ones if we are not allowed to explore those answers in greater depth?
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markjo, you have been here for years, and are still the same permanood that you were back then. Q&A is for people to ask FE questions and get answers.
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Different FE models have different answers to the same question. How are we to know which answers to which models are the correct ones if we are not allowed to explore those answers in greater depth?
If you want to debate the answer, do it in the proper forum. You can even leave a link in the Q&A thread if you want.
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Different FE models have different answers to the same question. How are we to know which answers to which models are the correct ones if we are not allowed to explore those answers in greater depth?
If you want to debate the answer, do it in the proper forum. You can even leave a link in the Q&A thread if you want.
I'm sorry but I don't see how asking a question in a Q&A thread then having to discuss that answer in a FED thread is conducive to a productive dialogue. It sounds to me like you got that idea from the Bureau of Redundancy Department.
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markjo, do you even understand what the difference is between asking a question and debating a topic?
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So you think we should ask a question in Q&A, then make a new thread in FE Debate to discuss that answer? Seems kind of like it would create an excessive number of threads. Debating the answer in Q&A also makes it easier to follow a conversation, saves time and is less complicated in general.
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Get all your answers and then create a "debating X's answers thread"?
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markjo, do you even understand what the difference is between asking a question and debating a topic?
Why shouldn't asking a question naturally lead to discussing the answer? Are we to simply let an answer stand with no scrutiny whatsoever? Questions get asked in debate threads and debate happens in Q&A threads. It's the natural course of discussion. Get over it.
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I think the cleanest action that would facilitate the least amount of confusion would be to have one of our venerated moderators split or move threads from Q&A to Debate or another appropriate forum should the discussion warrant it.
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Get all your answers and then create a "debating X's answers thread"?
Threads with more than one question are hard to follow.
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I think the cleanest action that would facilitate the least amount of confusion would be to have one of our venerated moderators split or move threads from Q&A to Debate or another appropriate forum should the discussion warrant it.
That would even give them the chance to do something; Great suggestion, Kendrick!
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If someone has a question, they will ask it in the question forum. If someone wants to debate, they will make a thread in the debate section. Is that really that hard to understand?
Edit: that was at markjo.
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If you ask a question with the intention of starting a debate, then you should post it as a debate topic in the debate forum. FEG is for discussion, FE Q&A is for Q&A, and FED is for debate. We really can't explain to you any simpler save for giving you the defintions of those words.
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If you ask a question with the intention of starting a debate, then you should post it as a debate topic in the debate forum. FEG is for discussion, FE Q&A is for Q&A, and FED is for debate. We really can't explain to you any simpler save for giving you the defintions of those words.
I agree. It's clear what these various sections are for. Maybe it wouldn't be so compelling to disagree with responses in Q&A if they weren't so incorrect though. Maybe I'll just stay out of that section if it's in the interest of fiction.
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If someone has a question, they will ask it in the question forum. If someone wants to debate, they will make a thread in the debate section. Is that really that hard to understand?
Yes, because questions lead to debate and debate leads to questions. The two are not inseparable.
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If someone has a question, they will ask it in the question forum. If someone wants to debate, they will make a thread in the debate section. Is that really that hard to understand?
Sometimes questions lead to debate. Example:
Person: How does GPS work without satellites?
FE: Penguins send out signals that locate you.
Person: But I can prove that they don't.
FE: NO DEBATES IN Q&A!!
Now that person has to create a new thread to discuss this answer. This is just silly.
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markjo, do you have a question? I will be happy to answer it for you. This is not Q@A, but you seem to think that every board is a debate forum.
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So you think we should ask a question in Q&A, then make a new thread in FE Debate to discuss that answer? Seems kind of like it would create an excessive number of threads. Debating the answer in Q&A also makes it easier to follow a conversation, saves time and is less complicated in general.
In theory, but not in practice. Discussion of the A is fine, so long as it is in order to gain greater insight into the A. However, the system currently in place simply does not work. The OP asks a question, a member of the RE'er hoards gives a sarcastic response before we can get there, we start arguing about something only tangentially relevant, and the OP gets only a poor answer if one at all. RE'ers simply cannot be trusted with the right to debate in the Q&A threads, because they are irresponsible with it. It'd be nice if a question naturally led to an interesting debate with regard to the topic, but that's not what happens. The RE'ers immediately hijack the thread into a debate, frequently before an answer can be given.
Q&A is for being helpful to anyone who doesn't have a particular piece of information. It is not a battleground for RE'ers who already know the answer.
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A question about how satellites operate would but be a question of a portion of FET, but rather a question meant to attempt to disprove it, this would belong in general or debate (most likely debate).
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A question about how satellites operate would but be a question of a portion of FET, but rather a question meant to attempt to disprove it, this would belong in general or debate (most likely debate).
Obviously it was just an example. It works the same with any question.
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A question about how satellites operate would but be a question of a portion of FET, but rather a question meant to attempt to disprove it, this would belong in general or debate (most likely debate).
This.
See, most people here seem to think that a Q&A thread is simply a different road to the same debate. That asking a question is equivalent to proposing a problem. This is not the case. If you think you see a problem in FET, check the FAQ and make a thread in the appropriate board. That's what FED is for. If you don't understand something, check the FAQ and ask in Q&A. But don't make a thread with the intention of debating the answer.
If someone has a question, they will ask it in the question forum. If someone wants to debate, they will make a thread in the debate section. Is that really that hard to understand?
Sometimes questions lead to debate. Example:
Person: How does GPS work without satellites?
FE: Penguins send out signals that locate you.
Person: But I can prove that they don't.
FE: NO DEBATES IN Q&A!!
Now that person has to create a new thread to discuss this answer. This is just silly.
This is actually a perfect example of what I'm talking about. In this case, the person asked "How does GPS work without satellites?" However, what they clearly meant was "GPS clearly cannot work without satellites, you people are idiots". That's not a question, it's an accusation. And that's fine, but it should be made in the proper fora.
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It really doesn't. If you know the FET answer already, Q&A isn't the place to put your topic. If you see the FET answer given to someone, you could even link in that thread saying, this answer is being discussed here. It's really not hard.
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A question about how satellites operate would but be a question of a portion of FET, but rather a question meant to attempt to disprove it, this would belong in general or debate (most likely debate).
This.
See, most people here seem to think that a Q&A thread is simply a different road to the same debate. That asking a question is equivalent to proposing a problem. This is not the case. If you think you see a problem in FET, check the FAQ and make a thread in the appropriate board. That's what FED is for. If you don't understand something, check the FAQ and ask in Q&A. But don't make a thread with the intention of debating the answer.
If someone has a question, they will ask it in the question forum. If someone wants to debate, they will make a thread in the debate section. Is that really that hard to understand?
Sometimes questions lead to debate. Example:
Person: How does GPS work without satellites?
FE: Penguins send out signals that locate you.
Person: But I can prove that they don't.
FE: NO DEBATES IN Q&A!!
Now that person has to create a new thread to discuss this answer. This is just silly.
This is actually a perfect example of what I'm talking about. In this case, the person asked "How does GPS work without satellites?" However, what they clearly meant was "GPS clearly cannot work without satellites, you people are idiots". That's not a question, it's an accusation. And that's fine, but it should be made in the proper fora.
A question about how satellites operate would but be a question of a portion of FET, but rather a question meant to attempt to disprove it, this would belong in general or debate (most likely debate).
Obviously it was just an example. It works the same with any question.
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It really doesn't. If you know the FET answer already, Q&A isn't the place to put your topic. If you see the FET answer given to someone, you could even link in that thread saying, this answer is being discussed here. It's really not hard.
If you don't know the answer and the FEs give a stupid answer you should be allowed to debate it.
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*Not quoting in order to avoid quote pyramid*
It was just an example, but it works both ways. That kind of thread is what most of the threads in Q&A are, and it's idiotic and takes away from the quality of discussion on the forum.
I'm all for you guys debating my answers. That's how I learn and refine my theory. But Q&A is for Qing and Aing, and if RE'ers can't be trusted with the privilege of Ding the As then it should be acknowledged and dealt with.
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Well make the distinction in the description then maybe? You could just say, "no RET answers here, a RE'r may answer but this is for giving a FE answer."
I dunno, just a suggestion.
You could also have the moderators enforce this by moving topics that become debates to the debates section. Then maybe people will get the idea.
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I think that the thread should just be moved to FE Debate if you feel like it belongs there.
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markjo, do you have a question? I will be happy to answer it for you. This is not Q@A, but you seem to think that every board is a debate forum.
Yes, I have a question. What's all the fuss about needing a strict distinction between Q&A and FED when questions and debate have such a natural overlap?
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This is a very difficult concept for a lot of people.
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It really doesn't. If you know the FET answer already, Q&A isn't the place to put your topic. If you see the FET answer given to someone, you could even link in that thread saying, this answer is being discussed here. It's really not hard.
If you don't know the answer and the FEs give a stupid answer you should be allowed to debate it.
If the intent is not to learn more about FET, Q&A isn't the right board to post in.
The distinction already is in the board description "if you have a question about FET, this is the board to ask it" paraphrased but that is the jist.
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Because I am sick and tired of the Q@A section being used as a debate forum. You are bad, markjo. Just stop it.
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markjo, do you have a question? I will be happy to answer it for you. This is not Q@A, but you seem to think that every board is a debate forum.
Yes, I have a question. What's all the fuss about needing a strict distinction between Q&A and FED when questions and debate have such a natural overlap?
I don't get it either but I don't like to think that they are all wrong and that you are right so shut up and do as you are told.
This forum is supposed to be run for its members. Personally I view the 3 upper forums as virtually the same. I post FE conspiracy stuff and anything loosely related in FEG. If I post a question or challenge in my OP, that goes in FE Q&A. If its regular FET discussion I put it in FED. But I don't care if I'm inconsistent or get it wrong and don't notice how other people use it.
If you are all that worried, have a vote. If we want anal attention to detail, vote for that. If you don't care vote for that. Then ask the mods to react accordingly, whatever the outcome.
There seem to be an increasing number of S&C threads about pretty inane matters, of late. This forum needs a noob enema. >o<
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It really doesn't. If you know the FET answer already, Q&A isn't the place to put your topic. If you see the FET answer given to someone, you could even link in that thread saying, this answer is being discussed here. It's really not hard.
If you don't know the answer and the FEs give a stupid answer you should be allowed to debate it.
If the intent is not to learn more about FET, Q&A isn't the right board to post in.
The distinction already is in the board description "if you have a question about FET, this is the board to ask it" paraphrased but that is the jist.
If I am new and know nothing about FE and I ask a serious question like (again this is just an example) "how do the sun and moon circle the disk in the FE model?" and I get the response "Bigfoot holds them up" or something, I want to be able to debate this without having to create a new thread.
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It really doesn't. If you know the FET answer already, Q&A isn't the place to put your topic. If you see the FET answer given to someone, you could even link in that thread saying, this answer is being discussed here. It's really not hard.
If you don't know the answer and the FEs give a stupid answer you should be allowed to debate it.
If the intent is not to learn more about FET, Q&A isn't the right board to post in.
The distinction already is in the board description "if you have a question about FET, this is the board to ask it" paraphrased but that is the jist.
If I am new and know nothing about FE and I ask a serious question like (again this is just an example) "how do the sun and moon circle the disk in the FE model?" and I get the response "Bigfoot holds them up" or something, I want to be able to debate this without having to create a new thread.
But if you get the FET from the wiki and you still have a problem with it, a debate thread should be made. Stop assuming every answer given willl be asinine and that the mods won't handle those cases.
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Let me make this simple. Assume that I am new and have read the wiki and FAQ. I have a question about something that wasn't covered in either of these. I ask this question in Q&A. I receive a proper and intelligent answer. But it can be easily proven that the answer doesn't work. I should be allowed to debate this answer without making a new thread.
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Once the site bugs get fixed, what if mods could ban people from specific fora? That way anyone, FE or RE, could participate in Q & A but if they make a habit of trying to start debate then they can't post in Q&A, just the debate and general fora.
In short, a milder form of purgatory.
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Once the site bugs get fixed, what if mods could ban people from specific fora? That way anyone, FE or RE, could participate in Q & A but if they make a habit of trying to start debate then they can't post in Q&A, just the debate and general fora.
In short, a milder form of purgatory.
Or again, just move threads that you feel belong in debate. You do it all the time with AR and CN.
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Let me make this simple. Assume that I am new and have read the wiki and FAQ. I have a question about something that wasn't covered in either of these. I ask this question in Q&A. I receive a proper and intelligent answer. But it can be easily proven that the answer doesn't work. I should be allowed to debate this answer without making a new thread.
There is a difference in asking more questions in reference to the answer given and debating it. I can tell you'll never see the point I'm making, so I say let's see some heavy moderating in there and let people learn from experience what the difference between questions and debates is.
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Put the difference in religious context. When you want to learn about a religion just for the sake of education and awareness, you just try to learn their principles and beliefs (this is what Q & A is for).
If you want to argue the religion's claims, then you are debating, with the general intention of trying to undermine the beliefs (debate fora).
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Let me make this simple. Assume that I am new and have read the wiki and FAQ. I have a question about something that wasn't covered in either of these. I ask this question in Q&A. I receive a proper and intelligent answer. But it can be easily proven that the answer doesn't work. I should be allowed to debate this answer without making a new thread.
There is a difference in asking more questions in reference to the answer given and debating it. I can tell you'll never see the point I'm making, so I say let's see some heavy moderating in there and let people learn from experience what the difference between questions and debates is.
I understand that there is a difference between clarifying and debating. But if you give me an answer I should be able to debate it if it can be proven wrong.
Put the difference in religious context. When you want to learn about a religion just for the sake of education and awareness, you just try to learn their principles and beliefs (this is what Q & A is for).
If you want to argue the religion's claims, then you are debating, with the general intention of trying to undermine the beliefs (debate fora).
I understand this. See above.
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But if you give me an answer I should be able to debate it...
You can, in the debate forum.
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But if you give me an answer I should be able to debate it...
You can, in the debate forum.
So again, I have to make a new thread. Having two threads for one topic is just silly. This is what my problem with this is.
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But if you give me an answer I should be able to debate it...
You can, in the debate forum.
So again, I have to make a new thread. Having two threads for one topic is just silly. This is what my problem with this is.
You don't have to make two threads. If you want to debate, then put it in FED. You know very well when you post a topic whether you are going to accept or argue the answers you receive.
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But if you give me an answer I should be able to debate it...
You can, in the debate forum.
So again, I have to make a new thread. Having two threads for one topic is just silly. This is what my problem with this is.
You don't have to make two threads. If you want to debate, then put it in FED. You know very well when you post a topic whether you are going to accept or argue the answers you receive.
I would be happy to accept the answer if it was not debatable. But the problem is that most of the answers given can be debated.
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markjo, do you even understand what the difference is between asking a question and debating a topic?
Why shouldn't asking a question naturally lead to discussing the answer? Are we to simply let an answer stand with no scrutiny whatsoever? Questions get asked in debate threads and debate happens in Q&A threads. It's the natural course of discussion. Get over it.
Discussion as a result of the question being answered will probably happen. However, Q&A is for questions, not debate. If you want to discuss, start another thread in FE Debate.
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But if you give me an answer I should be able to debate it...
You can, in the debate forum.
So again, I have to make a new thread. Having two threads for one topic is just silly. This is what my problem with this is.
You don't have to make two threads. If you want to debate, then put it in FED. You know very well when you post a topic whether you are going to accept or argue the answers you receive.
I would be happy to accept the answer if it was not debatable. But the problem is that most of the answers given can be debated.
Then start another thread in FE Debate.
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But if you give me an answer I should be able to debate it...
You can, in the debate forum.
So again, I have to make a new thread. Having two threads for one topic is just silly. This is what my problem with this is.
You don't have to make two threads. If you want to debate, then put it in FED. You know very well when you post a topic whether you are going to accept or argue the answers you receive.
I would be happy to accept the answer if it was not debatable. But the problem is that most of the answers given can be debated.
Then start another thread in FE Debate.
So again, two threads for one topic. Just move the threads to debate if that is where you feel they belong.
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It seems so simple. Just start a topic in debate. What do you not understand?
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But if you give me an answer I should be able to debate it...
You can, in the debate forum.
So again, I have to make a new thread. Having two threads for one topic is just silly. This is what my problem with this is.
You don't have to make two threads. If you want to debate, then put it in FED. You know very well when you post a topic whether you are going to accept or argue the answers you receive.
I would be happy to accept the answer if it was not debatable. But the problem is that most of the answers given can be debated.
Then start another thread in FE Debate.
So again, two threads for one topic. Just move the threads to debate if that is where you feel they belong.
You asked a question, it was answered. Then, you try to debate it.
It doesn't work like that. You make a Q&A thread for your question. Then if you want to debate the answer, start a Debate thread.
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It seems so simple. Just start a topic in debate. What do you not understand?
If it starts as a question and turns into a debate I should just be allowed to carry on that debate without creating a new thread. That's all I am saying.
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It seems so simple. Just start a topic in debate. What do you not understand?
If it starts as a question and turns into a debate I should just be allowed to carry on that debate without creating a new thread. That's all I am saying.
That's your opinion. However, the forum doesn't work like that. If you want to debate start a different thread.
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Instead of being lazy and asking others to do work for you, you could create a thread yourself. I suppose that's too much work for the poster though.
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But if you give me an answer I should be able to debate it...
You can, in the debate forum.
So again, I have to make a new thread. Having two threads for one topic is just silly. This is what my problem with this is.
You don't have to make two threads. If you want to debate, then put it in FED. You know very well when you post a topic whether you are going to accept or argue the answers you receive.
I would be happy to accept the answer if it was not debatable. But the problem is that most of the answers given can be debated.
Then start another thread in FE Debate.
So again, two threads for one topic. Just move the threads to debate if that is where you feel they belong.
Mods shouldn't have to come clean up after every one of your posts just because you don't like the rules. As a registered member it is your responsibility to follow the rules of this forum.
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If you want to debate, we have a forum for that.
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It seems so simple. Just start a topic in debate. What do you not understand?
If it starts as a question and turns into a debate I should just be allowed to carry on that debate without creating a new thread. That's all I am saying.
That's your opinion. However, the forum doesn't work like that. If you want to debate start a different thread.
From the looks of it, it does work like that.
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It seems so simple. Just start a topic in debate. What do you not understand?
If it starts as a question and turns into a debate I should just be allowed to carry on that debate without creating a new thread. That's all I am saying.
That's your opinion. However, the forum doesn't work like that. If you want to debate start a different thread.
From the looks of it, it does work like that.
It shouldn't work like that.
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If it starts as a question and turns into a debate I should just be allowed to carry on that debate without creating a new thread. That's all I am saying.
If you already know you're going to disagree with the answer, then put it in debate. I bet you wouldn't go to a physics class with the intention of arguing with every lesson the professor teaches, because it is Q&A only and you know that. Q&A is a classroom, not a debate board. You ask a question, we answer.
You need to understand the difference between education and debate. If you go to a college classroom and debate the professor non-stop, you're going to get removed from the class for being disruptive.
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If you guys want two threads for every topic in Q&A that's fine. It just seems unnescessary to me.
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Why would you have separate debate and Q&A forums if they were not meant to be separate?
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If people stop posting debate bait in Q&A we won't have two threads on every topic. Not only that, but one debate thread can cover multiple questions about FET if on a broad enough topic, and as such could be link for further debating of answers.
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Honestly, I think he is just trolling at this point. Probably best to move on.
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If you guys want two threads for every topic in Q&A that's fine. It just seems unnescessary to me.
I guess this isn't getting through your head.
You.Ask.Questions.In.Q.&.A.You.Debate.In.The.Debate.Section.
You ask questions and get answers in one place, and if you don't like the answers you debate them somewhere else. You don't debate with your teacher in the middle of class, do you? No. You debate with him/her after class.
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Why would you have separate debate and Q&A forums if they were not meant to be separate?
If I want to debate I put it in Debate. If I have a question I put it in Q&A. The thing is, questions often lead to debate. And then people have to start threads in debate about the same topic. Then people have to go searching for the debate thread if they read the question. If that's how you want it to work then fine.
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Honestly, I think he is just trolling at this point. Probably best to move on.
I think Junker is right. Nobody can be this dense.
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Why would you have separate debate and Q&A forums if they were not meant to be separate?
If I want to debate I put it in Debate. If I have a question I put it in Q&A. The thing is, questions often lead to debate. And then people have to start threads in debate about the same topic. Then people have to go searching for the debate thread if they read the question. If that's how you want it to work then fine.
Because it's hard to click the mouse a few times and look for a few seconds.
Just set the threads to notify you when there are replies. Simple.
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Why would you have separate debate and Q&A forums if they were not meant to be separate?
If I want to debate I put it in Debate. If I have a question I put it in Q&A. The thing is, questions often lead to debate. And then people have to start threads in debate about the same topic. Then people have to go searching for the debate thread if they read the question. If that's how you want it to work then fine.
Because it's hard to click the mouse a few times and look for a few seconds.
Just set the threads to notify you when there are replies. Simple.
I am not saying that it's hard, just that it seems unnessesary.
Honestly, I think he is just trolling at this point. Probably best to move on.
I think Junker is right. Nobody can be this dense.
I'm not trolling. If you want me to start a debate thread for every one of my questions then I will. Either way, I'm done on this thread.
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Don't be butt hurt. We all give in to the FES eventually. Just stop trying to debate in Q&A. That is all we are asking.
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RE Phoenix you will notice that I did what you are saying is too much work and then the mod, seeing that the conversation was shifting, merged the threads. Its like a collaboration. All sides of the community have to work together to make it a good system. For the part of poster's they just have to follow the rules and respect the topics of each forum. Its really simple when you get used to it.
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This is why I suggested, a while ago, that we just merge forums. Every thread turns into a debate eventually.
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Why would you have separate debate and Q&A forums if they were not meant to be separate?
If I want to debate I put it in Debate. If I have a question I put it in Q&A. The thing is, questions often lead to debate. And then people have to start threads in debate about the same topic. Then people have to go searching for the debate thread if they read the question. If that's how you want it to work then fine.
You already know that you're not going to accept any of the answers, right? So why bother with the Q&A forum at all? Every question you could think up has probably already been answered repeatedly, you could probably search for your topic, find the answer, and then start a thread in the debate forum.
markjo is a bad influence on the noobs.
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Markjo would be a lot more helpful if he bothered putting any effort at all into his posts. He just regurgitates the same one-line questions over and over again, never bringing any original or helpful ideas to the table. Honestly, I think he is purgatory material, but if I ever wonder why he's still there, I just have to view the title of this thread and sigh.
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Why would you have separate debate and Q&A forums if they were not meant to be separate?
If I want to debate I put it in Debate. If I have a question I put it in Q&A. The thing is, questions often lead to debate. And then people have to start threads in debate about the same topic. Then people have to go searching for the debate thread if they read the question. If that's how you want it to work then fine.
Questions rarely lead to debates. Loaded questions lead to debates, and hijacked threads become debates. These two categories make up 90% of threads in the Q&A, which is dumb and should stop being a thing.
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Why would you have separate debate and Q&A forums if they were not meant to be separate?
We didn't set up the separate debate and Q&A forums. Daniel did.
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You can respect it, at least.
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Following a question that has been answered there is, in my view, no problem with users pursuing the relevant line of argument in order to test that answer. But it is frankly unhelpful when users who have been around for ages effectively hijack that process in order to score points. There is an egotism in asking questions that you know the answer to, merely to display as much.
It would be very nice if a forum norm were to develop whereby RE veterans would simply butt-out of threads where newcomers are genuinely trying to understand FET. I guess I can dream...
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It would be very nice if a forum norm were to develop whereby RE veterans would simply butt-out of threads where newcomers are genuinely trying to understand FET. I guess I can dream...
You could always, you know, make it a rule. You're an administrator.
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It doubt it would work as a given rule, but a created social norm is a different beast. At best we can all act as best as we can and hope it develops naturally. There are times we had it, and times we didn't.
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Just to further Rushy's premise that the FE forums are a moderation wasteland:
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59823.msg1542217.html#msg1542217 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59823.msg1542217.html#msg1542217)
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59823.msg1542212.html#msg1542212 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59823.msg1542212.html#msg1542212)
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59823.msg1542130.html#msg1542130 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59823.msg1542130.html#msg1542130)
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59823.msg1542141.html#msg1542141 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59823.msg1542141.html#msg1542141)
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59823.msg1542223.html#msg1542223 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59823.msg1542223.html#msg1542223)
Nice job guys. Real nice.
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Rama Set, who are you going to baaaw about next?
Yes, low content posts are not allowed in the upper fora. When a topic is dead, however, it really does not seem so bad, does it?
Rushy and I slipped and made a few low content posts. But there was nothing else to say about the subject, other than to have a joke. You do have a sense of humour, don't you?
But, for Rama Set's sake, I will personally try harder not to have fun here.
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Rama Set, who are you going to baaaw about next?
Yes, low content posts are not allowed in the upper fora. When a topic is dead, however, it really does not seem so bad, does it?
Rushy and I slipped and made a few low content posts. But there was nothing else to say about the subject, other than to have a joke. You do have a sense of humour, don't you?
But, for Rama Set's sake, I will personally try harder not to have fun here.
So you admit you failed at your job and broke the rules you are supposed to uphold. Mission accomplished.
I have been hand-slapped for having fun too, it happens to everyone.
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Rama Set, who are you going to baaaw about next?
Yes, low content posts are not allowed in the upper fora. When a topic is dead, however, it really does not seem so bad, does it?
Rushy and I slipped and made a few low content posts. But there was nothing else to say about the subject, other than to have a joke. You do have a sense of humour, don't you?
But, for Rama Set's sake, I will personally try harder not to have fun here.
So you admit you failed at your job and broke the rules you are supposed to uphold. Mission accomplished.
I have been hand-slapped for having fun too, it happens to everyone.
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Have you been banned for making a joke once in a while, or just reminded about the rules?
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Reminded about the rules. Like I just had to do to you. When I am reminded, I acknowledge it humbly and do not try and defend my actions, but would accept whatever judgement is passed. What's worse is that you are supposed to be the one that can be trusted to uphold the rules. But you are currently not showing the necessary maturity level to do so. By all means though, continue to rationalize and excuse yourself from doing your job properly.
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Reminded about the rules. Like I just had to do to you. When I am reminded, I acknowledge it humbly and do not try and defend my actions, but would accept whatever judgement is passed. What's worse is that you are supposed to be the one that can be trusted to uphold the rules. But you are currently not showing the necessary maturity level to do so. By all means though, continue to rationalize and excuse yourself from doing your job properly.
When I read that, in my head, I heard more an more hate with every word. Do you hate me? For real?
I am a janitor. I keep the fora clean. Spam gets put in the trash. Porn goes to the Mod only forum. And, when people break the rules, I let them know.
I am human. I try to be serious as much as I can. But, I will admit that I do slip.
Don't be a d*ck about it. I made a joke or two today. Whether or not they were funny is beyond the point. You are over reacting to this website and trying to get me in trouble.
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jroa said stuff
Aren't you a moderator now? Not a janitor? Or are the Moderators still janitors? I thought we considered the Curators the janitors. I know it wasn't the editors...
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A mod is just a Curator who can read the super super secret forum and ban people. I am still here to clean stuff up.
My life is sad.
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If you read hate, then that is your own baggage; I don't hate you mate I just like it when rules are applied evenly. Maybe that makes me a d*ck. I can live with that.
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And jroa, if you want to show fairness then maybe you can start with warning Rushy
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I think I have warned Rushy, but I can't remember for sure. I know I banned sceptimatic, Excelsior John, Raist, and others. I am not here to ban RE'ers. I am here to enforce the rules.
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I think I have warned Rushy, but I can't remember for sure. I know I banned sceptimatic, Excelsior John, Raist, and others. I am not here to ban RE'ers. I am here to enforce the rules.
I look forward to you continuing to do so.
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If someone has been warned several times but keeps repeating the same mistake, then maybe he deserves a harsher punishment, like a ban. Don't you think?
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Rama, I'll be honest. You're coming off as a bit of a prick here. Maybe tone down the arrogance a bit.
As a former moderator who was demodded for doing essentially what you all are suggesting, I assure you that it's a bad idea. The Bamhammer should be wielded with discretion. Blanket warnings without consideration of context are... inadvisable. People take them badly.
The last thing I'd like to say is that the entitled attitude needs to stop. Jroa isn't getting paid to police this forum, nor are the other mods and admins. They're doing it for the love of the community. It's fine to criticize where you feel it's required, but the mods spend countless hours keeping the peace here for you and that should be remembered.
Now, Rama, stop smugly rationalizing your bullying and apologize to jroa. Or you will find that this forum quickly becomes inhospitable to people it does not like.
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Rama, I'll be honest. You're coming off as a bit of a prick here. Maybe tone down the arrogance a bit.
As a former moderator who was demodded for doing essentially what you all are suggesting, I assure you that it's a bad idea. The Bamhammer should be wielded with discretion. Blanket warnings without consideration of context are... inadvisable. People take them badly.
The last thing I'd like to say is that the entitled attitude needs to stop. Jroa isn't getting paid to police this forum, nor are the other mods and admins. They're doing it for the love of the community. It's fine to criticize where you feel it's required, but the mods spend countless hours keeping the peace here for you and that should be remembered.
Now, Rama, stop smugly rationalizing your bullying and apologize to jroa. Or you will find that this forum quickly becomes inhospitable to people it does not like.
Jroa and I have handled this privately. Thanks for the input Tausami although I never asked for anyone to be banned. I never even implied it. As you suggested I criticized when I felt it was required and I am now over it.
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Rama, I'll be honest. You're coming off as a bit of a prick here. Maybe tone down the arrogance a bit.
As a former moderator who was demodded for doing essentially what you all are suggesting, I assure you that it's a bad idea. The Bamhammer should be wielded with discretion. Blanket warnings without consideration of context are... inadvisable. People take them badly.
The last thing I'd like to say is that the entitled attitude needs to stop. Jroa isn't getting paid to police this forum, nor are the other mods and admins. They're doing it for the love of the community. It's fine to criticize where you feel it's required, but the mods spend countless hours keeping the peace here for you and that should be remembered.
Now, Rama, stop smugly rationalizing your bullying and apologize to jroa. Or you will find that this forum quickly becomes inhospitable to people it does not like.
Jroa and I have handled this privately. Thanks for the input Tausami.
I don't care about your disagreements with jroa. That's his problem. I want you to apologize, publicly. To jroa for being an unreasonable peasant, and to the rest of the society for being an unlikeable, arrogant prick. This isn't that complicated. It's just the decent thing to do.
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Thank you for your judgement of me. You will understand if your tone does not inspire me to do anything that you ask. I hope you also understand when I ask you to please not threaten me with social retribution. If you wish to open an S & C thread about, please do so.
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Thank you for your judgement of me. You will understand if your tone does not inspire me to do anything that you ask. I hope you also understand when I ask you to please not threaten me with social retribution. If you wish to open an S & C thread about, please do so.
No social retribution. What, do you think I'm going to PM Thork and ask him to be mean to you? Understand, I'm one of the least BAWWy people here. If I'm getting annoyed with you, you aren't going to be very popular for very long. Take it as a warning, not a threat.
All I'm doing is informing you of the decent thing to do. Do what you will. But flaunting social norms has social consequences.
Also, if my tone isn't doing much to inspire you, what do you think your tone is doing to the rest of us?
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This is when a thread should be locked. ::)
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I don't care about your disagreements with jroa...I want you to apologize...To jroa.
You were able to contradict yourself in a span of just three sentences. If you're going to post emotionally charged comments, at least put some time into not looking like a fool.
That aside, I don't think Rama is being unreasonable. He voiced his opinion in reasonable terms, and did not break any rules. Whether or not you agree with him is irrelevant to the manner with which you should respond to him.
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I don't care about your disagreements with jroa...I want you to apologize...To jroa.
You were able to contradict yourself in a span of just three sentences. If you're going to post emotionally charged comments, at least put some time into not looking like a fool.
That aside, I don't think Rama is being unreasonable. He voiced his opinion in reasonable terms, and did not break any rules. Whether or not you agree with him is irrelevant to the manner with which you should respond to him.
I don't care about his disagreements with jroa. I care about his attacking volunteers for not volunteering well enough, and his arrogant and entitled attitude. Those are two very different things.
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I just want to point out that this thread has been started, not by Rama, to complain about moderation wasteland.
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Guys, Roma Set and I have already apologised to each other. We hugged, kissed, and made up. He understands that I am here as a volunteer, and he knows I am not obligated to do anything.
I appreciate it when people point out my mistakes. Thank you Rama Set for showing me some of my errors.
Everyone else, please understand I am human. I will make mistakes. You can PM me or post my mistakes here. I just ask that you don't be hateful to me.
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I hope you also understand when I ask you to please not threaten me with social retribution.
He wasn't so much threatening you as providing you with information you're apparently oblivious to.
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I hope you also understand when I ask you to please not threaten me with social retribution.
He wasn't so much threatening you as providing you with information you're apparently oblivious to.
You are a little late to the party, but thanks for the input.
Maybe that makes me a d*ck. I can live with that.
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You are a little late to the party
Sorry, too busy having sex with Parsifal road trippin' Australia to be active.
but thanks for the input.
Always happy to be of assistance!
Maybe that makes me a d*ck. I can live with that.
I think you know I don't mind people being dicks. I'm a dick myself. It just seems to me that you're being intentionally counter-productive; and then when people pointed it out to you, you started calling it "threats of social retribution".
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If that is your interpretation of how it went down then so be it. I am not going to tell you what I think you should think, I see events differently that's all. Jroa and I have moved on, and I hope everyone else can as well.
Cheers.
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http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59507.msg1538434.html#msg1538434 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,59507.msg1538434.html#msg1538434)
Ask one question and a thousand off-topic posts follow you like little fairies of discussion destruction. What the hell is going on?
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,58190.msg1538872.html#msg1538872 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,58190.msg1538872.html#msg1538872)
Ugh. Tell me about it
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I am not obligated to do anything.
And you take this part of your role very seriously.
I appreciate it when people point out my mistakes.
No you don't. That was the biggest lie since John Davis promised to move the FES server.
Everyone else, please understand I am human.
Being as you have lied about everything else, I doubt this as well. >:(
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Thork, you are so jelly. Maybe if you were not so terrible, you might be a mod also. Now, do you have anything constructive to add, or are you just here to be terrible?
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This is when a thread should be locked. ::)
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This is when a thread should be locked. ::)