The Flat Earth Society
Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: Username on May 21, 2013, 12:12:42 PM
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The idea of a conspiracy centered around 50% the populace, whom are largely controlled by their reptilian ancestry, is pure ridiculousness. They would all have to have a common motive, a complete set of "in languages", jargo, and jokes. Likely they would be made even in public, sometimes by those the joke is about. It would almost be as if 50% of the people in the world were by nature emotionless and the other half not. A ruling class at all levels, and a secret slave class too duped to realize they are slaves.
Thats just pure crazy. It would be like if we put half of society down and made them perform mundane tasks for food, board, and occasional festivities to make sure they don't rise up. Given the overwhelming response we've seen to our boards, such a thing is beyond imagination. Again and again we are confronted by round earther after round earther content to "know" what we believe before we tell them, and again and again, they are always correct in their initial judgement! So much so that oft they must hurry to the nearest exit, lest they embarrass us for our lack of civility in their sight and rightly so. To work with such as us must strain the higher mind due to our sharp language, wild mythologies, and shrill tones and they have indeed given us grace by their presence.
As such, I hereby show that not only is a conspiracy beyond belief, even at a minute level just to fake a few things, but that these crazy "Lizard folk" conspiracies are just right out. Hopefully this will stop all those lizard threads we've gotten over the years.
EDIT: Since some are thick in various aspects, it is to be directly stated the lizard conspiracy is to keep the earths shape secret.
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Great Insight Davis.
We should also put the NASA "conspiracy" to rest.
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I've always heard of the permutation of the reptilian conspiracy theory in which only the elite are reptiles, not everyday people. I've never heard anybody talk about it in the way in which you are?
But yeah, the first is extremely implausible. As with the second...
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John, I have not seen too many lizard threads on here although a couple. How can there not be a NASA conspiracy with all of our FE evidence pointing to a flat earth. NASA knows that they make fake videos and lie about going to the moon. The conspiracy out of necessity must be worldwide in scale because so many nations claim to have been to the ISS and in space. Everyone claims to use GPS based on satellite signals. If the earth is flat I don't see how a satellite keeps orbiting. The conspiracy must be bigger than most people can conceive of. While I doubt the lizard conspiracy, I have not been able to rule it out.
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I've always heard of the permutation of the reptilian conspiracy theory in which only the elite are reptiles, not everyday people. I've never heard anybody talk about it in the way in which you are?
But yeah, the first is extremely implausible. As with the second...
I agree, although I think that such a conspiracy is absurd no matter what the percentage of reptilians is.
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I've always heard of the permutation of the reptilian conspiracy theory in which only the elite are reptiles, not everyday people. I've never heard anybody talk about it in the way in which you are?
But yeah, the first is extremely implausible. As with the second...
I agree, although I think that such a conspiracy is absurd no matter what the percentage of reptilians is.
Apologies hoppy, I was not aware that it had completely left the interest of the flat earth community, especially with so many folks out there arguing for it on the streets. As far as the lack of any conspiracy, like NASA, its clear the sheer impossibility of orchestrating tens or hundreds of people would be too much and the sheer ill will goes against what we know about humanity, a generous and giving race that has left its infancy of hate and destruction to become an enlightened society. There is no way they could find 100 (or whatever the number be) questionable individuals - that even 100 liars exist is simply beyond imagination. That said, I believe they are simply looking at things in a different way from us and actually believe the Earth to be round.
Those unable to practice properly under reptilian standards would be destined to be those who carry those standards. The motive of such a large conspiracy would be clearly to use people; whether to use them spiritually or physically differs by the holder of these insane beliefs.
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But surely if you travel far enough into space - certainly as far as NASA claims to have gone - you'll be able to tell the shape of the earth?
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Depends on the properties of space, light, and the human mind.
Space due to distortion or affect on light.
Light as we use it as the guage in the question.
The human mind works by guessing. When you are confronted with an unfamiliar situation the mind desperately tries to make sense of it, who knows whats hidden between the lines of our consciousness and the ordering of our neurology.
They believe what they believe, and whether it be a conspiracy or not changes very little.
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Depends on the properties of space, light, and the human mind.
Space due to distortion or affect on light.
Light as we use it as the guage in the question.
The human mind works by guessing. When you are confronted with an unfamiliar situation the mind desperately tries to make sense of it, who knows whats hidden between the lines of our consciousness and the ordering of our neurology.
They believe what they believe, and whether it be a conspiracy or not changes very little.
So are you saying that the way light travels through space makes it appear round? Wouldn't the other celestial bodies look vastly different in shape from the ground to space as well?
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Depends on the properties of space, light, and the human mind.
Space due to distortion or affect on light.
Light as we use it as the guage in the question.
The human mind works by guessing. When you are confronted with an unfamiliar situation the mind desperately tries to make sense of it, who knows whats hidden between the lines of our consciousness and the ordering of our neurology.
They believe what they believe, and whether it be a conspiracy or not changes very little.
So are you saying that the way light travels through space makes it appear round? Wouldn't the other celestial bodies look vastly different in shape from the ground to space as well?
No, I wasn't saying that specifically, but that would be one scenario. I imagine that, again, depends on the properties of space and light.
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Depends on the properties of space, light, and the human mind.
Space due to distortion or affect on light.
Light as we use it as the guage in the question.
The human mind works by guessing. When you are confronted with an unfamiliar situation the mind desperately tries to make sense of it, who knows whats hidden between the lines of our consciousness and the ordering of our neurology.
They believe what they believe, and whether it be a conspiracy or not changes very little.
Another great post!
You are very correct, people do believe what they want.
But it takes a true Zetetic to actually verify what is real and what is not.
Those who believe in a spherical Earth, are not evil, nor part of a massive "conspiracy".
They just chose to believe, without facts.
I hope this leads the FES back to being a Zetetic Society, rather a conspiracy farce.
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There is no way they could find 100 (or whatever the number be) questionable individuals - that even 100 liars exist is simply beyond imagination.
Except that the government is able to keep a successful secret of hundreds of CIA/NSA/DOD projects, involving tens of thousands of people. You seem to have forgotten about that.
Feel free to try and find an active Top Secret document on the internet. You won't be able to. Even Wikileaks only publishes "confidential" documents, or documents which have been declassified. They know what will happen to them if they published something which is actually secret.
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There is no way they could find 100 (or whatever the number be) questionable individuals - that even 100 liars exist is simply beyond imagination.
Except that the government is able to keep a successful secret of hundreds of CIA/NSA/DOD projects, involving tens of thousands of people. You seem to have forgotten about that.
Feel free to try and find an active Top Secret document on the internet. You won't be able to. Even Wikileaks only publishes "confidential" documents, or documents which have been declassified. They know what will happen to them if they published something which is actually secret.
Can you post some of these secret projects? I don't doubt they exist, but I think they are "secret" in ways that aren't really relatable to requiring thousands or tens of thousands of people to be keeping silent about the existence of satellites or the shape of the earth...
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Can you post some of these secret projects? I don't doubt they exist, but I think they are "secret" in ways that aren't really relatable to requiring thousands or tens of thousands of people to be keeping silent about the existence of satellites or the shape of the earth...
NASA does not know the earth is flat (http://theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=Motive_of_the_Conspiracy). How are they supposed to keep a secret about something they don't know about?
As per "satellites," there are really only a few places satellites are launched, which are all installations run by the government or government contractors.
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There is no way they could find 100 (or whatever the number be) questionable individuals - that even 100 liars exist is simply beyond imagination.
Except that the government is able to keep a successful secret of hundreds of CIA/NSA/DOD projects, involving tens of thousands of people. You seem to have forgotten about that.
Feel free to try and find an active Top Secret document on the internet. You won't be able to. Even Wikileaks only publishes "confidential" documents, or documents which have been declassified. They know what will happen to them if they published something which is actually secret.
But it is just not NASA, over a dozen space agencies exist, without any credible proof of a "massive conspiracy".
Like Davis said, they believe what they want. There is no conspiracy.
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Can you post some of these secret projects? I don't doubt they exist, but I think they are "secret" in ways that aren't really relatable to requiring thousands or tens of thousands of people to be keeping silent about the existence of satellites or the shape of the earth...
NASA does not know the earth is flat (http://theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=Motive_of_the_Conspiracy). How are they supposed to keep a secret about something they don't know about?
As per "satellites," there are really only a few places satellites are launched, which are all installations run by the government or government contractors.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure you and others have made reference to two conspiracies, one insinuating that NASA knows the earth is flat but is suppressing the knowledge and the other detailing that NASA knows nothing about the the contour of the earth but is essentially lying about spacecraft in space. Now you are asserting only one of those is correct?
And keep the secret project list coming please...
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As per "satellites," there are really only a few places satellites are launched, which are all installations run by the government or government contractors.
Not entirely true. We nowadays see private companies entering into space. The most famous is the company SpaceX. We also see space tourism coming up, which Virgin Galactic is working on.
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Can you post some of these secret projects? I don't doubt they exist, but I think they are "secret" in ways that aren't really relatable to requiring thousands or tens of thousands of people to be keeping silent about the existence of satellites or the shape of the earth...
NASA does not know the earth is flat (http://theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=Motive_of_the_Conspiracy). How are they supposed to keep a secret about something they don't know about?
As per "satellites," there are really only a few places satellites are launched, which are all installations run by the government or government contractors.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure you and others have made reference to two conspiracies, one insinuating that NASA knows the earth is flat but is suppressing the knowledge and the other detailing that NASA knows nothing about the the contour of the earth but is essentially lying about spacecraft in space. Now you are asserting only one of those is correct?
And keep the secret project list coming please...
I don't know who said that. We don't think that there are two conspiracies.
Not entirely true. We nowadays see private companies entering into space. The most famous is the company SpaceX. We also see space tourism coming up, which Virgin Galactic is working on.
A brief look at SpaceX's history confirms that they're in NASA's pocket. And yeah, space tourism is coming up. Sure it is. ::) Any moment now, any year now, any decade now...
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A brief look at SpaceX's history confirms that they're in NASA's pocket. And yeah, space tourism is coming up. Sure it is. ::) Any moment now, any year now, any decade now...
Define. What do you mean by "they're in NASA's pocket?" Perhaps I could agree to that statement, but as far as I know they are a private run company which work together with NASA to make a cargo capsule like the Dragon be capable of docking with the ISS. They would need information from NASA on how to build the docking system, but the rocket and the cargo capsule itself is built entirely by the company itself and not by NASA.
As for space tourism. More like a few decades (my guess 20-30 years from now). When we look at the history of flying. In the beginning of the 20th century only baby steps were made. Some 40 years later it became more available to the public.
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I was disappointed to read this thread. I think John Davis needs to do more research. David Icke has lots and lots of evidence to support this and I don't get any vibe that you have studied his work.
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There is no way they could find 100 (or whatever the number be) questionable individuals - that even 100 liars exist is simply beyond imagination.
Except that the government is able to keep a successful secret of hundreds of CIA/NSA/DOD projects, involving tens of thousands of people. You seem to have forgotten about that.
Feel free to try and find an active Top Secret document on the internet. You won't be able to. Even Wikileaks only publishes "confidential" documents, or documents which have been declassified. They know what will happen to them if they published something which is actually secret.
The Pentagon Papers
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I was disappointed to read this thread. I think John Davis needs to do more research. David Icke has lots and lots of evidence to support this and I don't get any vibe that you have studied his work.
I don't think Icke argues that 50% of the population are reptilians.
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and I don't think 99% of the Zetetics believe in this, nor a massive NASA an other space agency "conspiracy".
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and I don't think 99% of the Zetetics believe in this, nor a massive NASA an other space agency "conspiracy".
You are starting to sound like a NASA shill.
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But it is just not NASA, over a dozen space agencies exist, without any credible proof of a "massive conspiracy".
Like Davis said, they believe what they want. There is no conspiracy.
With exception of the Russian and Chinese space agencies, NASA pretty much created the rest from the ground up. The Chinese space agency in particular is flagrantly baloney.
Fake Chinese Spacewalk (http://#)
Fake Chinese Spacewalk II (http://#)
Analysis Article on Epoch Times (http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/china/shenzhou-vii-fake-spacewalk-5809.html)
There is no way they could find 100 (or whatever the number be) questionable individuals - that even 100 liars exist is simply beyond imagination.
Except that the government is able to keep a successful secret of hundreds of CIA/NSA/DOD projects, involving tens of thousands of people. You seem to have forgotten about that.
Feel free to try and find an active Top Secret document on the internet. You won't be able to. Even Wikileaks only publishes "confidential" documents, or documents which have been declassified. They know what will happen to them if they published something which is actually secret.
The Pentagon Papers
The only reason they were allowed is because Nixon was fine with embarrassing the previous administration before him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers)
"President Nixon's first reaction to the publication was that since the study embarrassed the Johnson and Kennedy administrations, not his, he should do nothing."
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I was disappointed to read this thread. I think John Davis needs to do more research. David Icke has lots and lots of evidence to support this and I don't get any vibe that you have studied his work.
I so hope you are being satirical. David Icke has lots of evidence to support the idea that shapeshifting reptillian humanoids from the lower tier of the fourth dimension are transgressing across the planet?
You really need to be on another level of delusional (maybe the lower tier of the fourth dimension?) if you believe in this pathetic conspiracy theory.
I do think the FES needs to move away from this underlying dogma that is conspiracies theories and start to move on and gather some sort of circumstantial evidence for their claims.
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If conspiracy theories can be proven as fact in whatever avenue, then it can cast doubt on many things, including the round earth garbage, which then gives rise to the question of, "well what shape is the earth."
Answer:
It's flat.
The NASA conspiracy will never be proven as fact in any facet that would indicate a cover up of such a large magnitude. If there is fraud occurring in the agency, chances are it is a few individuals and if it comes out, they will be brought out to the public like any of the other fraudsters. So I also think it is time to put the global conspiracy to rest.
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John, I have not seen too many lizard threads on here although a couple. How can there not be a NASA conspiracy with all of our FE evidence pointing to a flat earth. NASA knows that they make fake videos and lie about going to the moon. The conspiracy out of necessity must be worldwide in scale because so many nations claim to have been to the ISS and in space. Everyone claims to use GPS based on satellite signals. If the earth is flat I don't see how a satellite keeps orbiting. The conspiracy must be bigger than most people can conceive of. While I doubt the lizard conspiracy, I have not been able to rule it out.
Ha! Hoppy does not know what "evidence" means.
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If conspiracy theories can be proven as fact in whatever avenue, then it can cast doubt on many things, including the round earth garbage, which then gives rise to the question of, "well what shape is the earth."
Answer:
It's roundish.
Fixed that for you.
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If conspiracy theories can be proven as fact in whatever avenue, then it can cast doubt on many things, including the round earth garbage, which then gives rise to the question of, "well what shape is the earth."
Answer:
It's flat.
The NASA conspiracy will never be proven as fact in any facet that would indicate a cover up of such a large magnitude. If there is fraud occurring in the agency, chances are it is a few individuals and if it comes out, they will be brought out to the public like any of the other fraudsters. So I also think it is time to put the global conspiracy to rest.
How high up are you in this chain?
I'm high up enough that my job description instructs me to post on this forum and caused me to sign anon-disclosure agreement about the earth being flat.
I'm an auditor, I look at evidence daily to find fraud. There is zero evidence to support this conspiracy, just circumstantial because if NASA has been to space then every other argument posted to this site is irrelevant since we have pictures of space. It is a self serving argument. "The pictures are fake because they show a curved Earth and we know the Earth is flat so they can't be real".
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Well I'm glad that everyone agrees a conspiracy couldn't happen ,especially one consisting of 50% of the population keeping the rest down. There would have to be roughly 50% of people smarter than the rest, they would have to have a will to power, and they would have to have a way to induct members, likely hidden in the open.
Our country and society wasn't founded on keeping a class down, that's common sense. It would be similar to say that in 50s and 60s we kept over half the populace in positions of service and making gelatin foods for us and having them take care of our children. Preposterous. Thats why they had wives in the 60s. This is especially clear when the argument is that this would be due to lizard genetics, which would reduce emotional responses and increase anger-based and predatory tendencies and likely hunting skills. As we have seen time and time again from the visitors to this site, humans are never angry, never search out those in an apparent position to be abused, and certainly there is never a pecking order. Such a system would have to have a universal motivator, something like human productivity/money or elitism, and would span most of mankind.
Now that we have established that such a large conspiracy can not exist, its time to debunk the long held belief that more overt Lizard men, consisting of something closer to 2-3% of people depending on the Age, have been controlling mankind, and have largely assimilated into human look alikes, and they have a plan. Thoughts?
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I was disappointed to read this thread. I think John Davis needs to do more research. David Icke has lots and lots of evidence to support this and I don't get any vibe that you have studied his work.
I so hope you are being satirical. David Icke has lots of evidence to support the idea that shapeshifting reptillian humanoids from the lower tier of the fourth dimension are transgressing across the planet?
You really need to be on another level of delusional (maybe the lower tier of the fourth dimension?) if you believe in this pathetic conspiracy theory.
I do think the FES needs to move away from this underlying dogma that is conspiracies theories and start to rely move on and gather some sort of circumstantial evidence for their claims.
Indeed, any beings that could experience the fourth dimension but not travel it aside from momentum would be under the whim of the rest.
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The only reason they were allowed is because Nixon was fine with embarrassing the previous administration before him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers)
"President Nixon's first reaction to the publication was that since the study embarrassed the Johnson and Kennedy administrations, not his, he should do nothing. However, Kissinger convinced the president that not opposing publication set a negative precedent for future secrets.[5] The administration argued Ellsberg and Russo were guilty of a felony under the Espionage Act of 1917, because they had no authority to publish classified documents."
Fixed that for you. Feeling particularly deceitful today, eh?
How is any of that relevant anyway? The Pentagon Papers were actively top secret when they were leaked by Ellsberg. That Nixon wasn't immediately embarrassed by the leak doesn't change the fact that top secret documents were leaked, something that you claim has never happened.
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There is no way they could find 100 (or whatever the number be) questionable individuals - that even 100 liars exist is simply beyond imagination.
Except that the government is able to keep a successful secret of hundreds of CIA/NSA/DOD projects, involving tens of thousands of people. You seem to have forgotten about that.
Feel free to try and find an active Top Secret document on the internet. You won't be able to. Even Wikileaks only publishes "confidential" documents, or documents which have been declassified. They know what will happen to them if they published something which is actually secret.
Interesting! I've never heard of people keeping secrets or telling lies. Surely this is silliness and pessimism. No one would ever believe that 100 liars exist in the world, let alone that half the world is comprised of them!
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There is no way they could find 100 (or whatever the number be) questionable individuals - that even 100 liars exist is simply beyond imagination.
Except that the government is able to keep a successful secret of hundreds of CIA/NSA/DOD projects, involving tens of thousands of people. You seem to have forgotten about that.
Feel free to try and find an active Top Secret document on the internet. You won't be able to. Even Wikileaks only publishes "confidential" documents, or documents which have been declassified. They know what will happen to them if they published something which is actually secret.
Interesting! I've never heard of people keeping secrets or telling lies. Surely this is silliness and pessimism. No one would ever believe that 100 liars exist in the world, let alone that half the world is comprised of them!
I didn't think there could be a rational Flat Earther. At least there is one person who can see through the illogical and fallacious reasoning and lay bare the huge implausibility of these grand conspiracies...
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There is no way they could find 100 (or whatever the number be) questionable individuals - that even 100 liars exist is simply beyond imagination.
Except that the government is able to keep a successful secret of hundreds of CIA/NSA/DOD projects, involving tens of thousands of people. You seem to have forgotten about that.
Feel free to try and find an active Top Secret document on the internet. You won't be able to. Even Wikileaks only publishes "confidential" documents, or documents which have been declassified. They know what will happen to them if they published something which is actually secret.
Interesting! I've never heard of people keeping secrets or telling lies. Surely this is silliness and pessimism. No one would ever believe that 100 liars exist in the world, let alone that half the world is comprised of them!
Wait, what? I'm lost.
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There is no way they could find 100 (or whatever the number be) questionable individuals - that even 100 liars exist is simply beyond imagination.
Except that the government is able to keep a successful secret of hundreds of CIA/NSA/DOD projects, involving tens of thousands of people. You seem to have forgotten about that.
Feel free to try and find an active Top Secret document on the internet. You won't be able to. Even Wikileaks only publishes "confidential" documents, or documents which have been declassified. They know what will happen to them if they published something which is actually secret.
Interesting! I've never heard of people keeping secrets or telling lies. Surely this is silliness and pessimism. No one would ever believe that 100 liars exist in the world, let alone that half the world is comprised of them!
I didn't think there could be a rational Flat Earther. At least there is one person who can see through the illogical and fallacious reasoning and lay bare the huge implausibility of these grand conspiracies...
I think you need to read into it with a different mindset Ryan.
Apologies if I read into what he said incorrectly, he sounded like he was being sarcastic...
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The conspiracy is large, though not consisting of 50% of the population. A conspiracy is the few secretly deceiving many.
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A conspiracy is a group deceiving another person or group.
No need to apologize Ryan.
Saddam, where exactly did I lose you?
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The conspiracy is large, though not consisting of 50% of the population. A conspiracy is the few secretly deceiving many.
Alright let me explain this to you.
Your name on this forum is hoppy.
In this example I am the few who want to deceive the others. I tell the others that your name is actually Mocky. I go out an tell everyone your name here is Mocky. Would anyone believe me? No, because for the all the others (many) they can observe for themselves your name is hoppy.
A conspiracy in which a few try to deceive the others that the earth's shape is actually a sphere while it is a flat earth, it isn't going to work. There are all these others who can observe the earth's shape and all of them will tell you the earth is a sphere.
Actually a very few do not believe the earth is a sphere (for whatever reason) and here they are.
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The conspiracy is large, though not consisting of 50% of the population. A conspiracy is the few secretly deceiving many.
Alright let me explain this to you.
Your name on this forum is hoppy.
In this example I am the few who want to deceive the others. I tell the others that your name is actually Mocky. I go out an tell everyone your name here is Mocky. Would anyone believe me? No, because for the all the others (many) they can observe for themselves your name is hoppy.
A conspiracy in which a few try to deceive the others that the earth's shape is actually a sphere while it is a flat earth, it isn't going to work. There are all these others who can observe the earth's shape and all of them will tell you the earth is a sphere.
Actually a very few do not believe the earth is a sphere (for whatever reason) and here they are.
The RE conspiracy is deeply entrenched into peoples pyche. This indoctrination has lasted for hundreds of years and is not easy to shake. If you started telling your kids and grand kids that my name is Mocky, I don't think they would doubt you.
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The conspiracy is large, though not consisting of 50% of the population. A conspiracy is the few secretly deceiving many.
Alright let me explain this to you.
Your name on this forum is hoppy.
In this example I am the few who want to deceive the others. I tell the others that your name is actually Mocky. I go out an tell everyone your name here is Mocky. Would anyone believe me? No, because for the all the others (many) they can observe for themselves your name is hoppy.
A conspiracy in which a few try to deceive the others that the earth's shape is actually a sphere while it is a flat earth, it isn't going to work. There are all these others who can observe the earth's shape and all of them will tell you the earth is a sphere.
Actually a very few do not believe the earth is a sphere (for whatever reason) and here they are.
The FE conspiracy is deeply entrenched into peoples pyche. This indoctrination has lasted for hundreds of years and is not easy to shake. If you started telling your kids and grand kids that my name is Mocky, I don't think they would doubt you.
If I would tell my kids and grand kids that what they see as hoppy is pronounced as mocky, then yes they could believe it, but then what they see as mocky I would have to come up with a different pronounciation for those letters. I would have to redo the whole alfabet for them. Problem is that whenever they go to school and/or interact with other people that my taught pronounciations do not match those of others. They would quickly find out they could not communicate with others about the things they see.
This is already what we see and what mankinds does. We all agree that certain combinations or symbols have a meaning. Arabs use a complete different way of speaking and writing. They all agreed that their symbols mean something, but they observe the same things as we do.
The same goes for Chinese and other languages then English.
However it does not matter if our words are different. If you see a car, you describe it with the word 'car', in my native language we would use a different word to describe the same thing, but the thing we both see and speak about the same thing. The observed is independent from the language we use.
And we have observed the earth to be a sphere and it matches with all those other findings. Basically we found the language of the universe and by what rules it works.
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The conspiracy is large, though not consisting of 50% of the population. A conspiracy is the few secretly deceiving many.
So most organized religions must be a conspiracy.
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The conspiracy is large, though not consisting of 50% of the population. A conspiracy is the few secretly deceiving many.
Alright let me explain this to you.
Your name on this forum is hoppy.
In this example I am the few who want to deceive the others. I tell the others that your name is actually Mocky. I go out an tell everyone your name here is Mocky. Would anyone believe me? No, because for the all the others (many) they can observe for themselves your name is hoppy.
A conspiracy in which a few try to deceive the others that the earth's shape is actually a sphere while it is a flat earth, it isn't going to work. There are all these others who can observe the earth's shape and all of them will tell you the earth is a sphere.
Actually a very few do not believe the earth is a sphere (for whatever reason) and here they are.
The FE conspiracy is deeply entrenched into peoples pyche. This indoctrination has lasted for hundreds of years and is not easy to shake. If you started telling your kids and grand kids that my name is Mocky, I don't think they would doubt you.
If I would tell my kids and grand kids that what they see as hoppy is pronounced as mocky, then yes they could believe it, but then what they see as mocky I would have to come up with a different pronounciation for those letters. I would have to redo the whole alfabet for them. Problem is that whenever they go to school and/or interact with other people that my taught pronounciations do not match those of others. They would quickly find out they could not communicate with others about the things they see.
This is already what we see and what mankinds does. We all agree that certain combinations or symbols have a meaning. Arabs use a complete different way of speaking and writing. They all agreed that their symbols mean something, but they observe the same things as we do.
The same goes for Chinese and other languages then English.
However it does not matter if our words are different. If you see a car, you describe it with the word 'car', in my native language we would use a different word to describe the same thing, but the thing we both see and speak about the same thing. The observed is independent from the language we use.
And we have observed the earth to be a sphere and it matches with all those other findings. Basically we found the language of the universe and by what rules it works.
Thanks for pointing out my typographical error. Our perception of reality does not alter that reality. The earth is flat.
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Our perception of reality does not alter that reality.
Not to be rude, but would you mind backing this up?
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Thanks for pointing out my typographical error. Our perception of reality does not alter that reality. The earth is flat.
Reality is our perception. We have no way to check what we see is real. The only way to verify it, is if more persons can confirm the observations you make. Hence in science there is always independent peer-viewers. Someone who is going to check the work of others.
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Our perception of reality does not alter that reality.
Not to be rude, but would you mind backing this up?
A quick example would.be, say a pot that is 160 deg F is sitting on the stove. I touch it and say it is hot, you touch and say it is not hot. The reality is, it is 160 deg despite whatever our perception is.
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Our perception of reality does not alter that reality.
Not to be rude, but would you mind backing this up?
A quick example would.be, say a pot that is 160 deg F is sitting on the stove. I touch it and say it is hot, you touch and say it is not hot. The reality is, it is 160 deg despite whatever our perception is.
What about light? Observation of photons clearly change their reality.
It is clear that either person would be subject to the preexisting belief that the pot would be "hot". It is further stated that we would assume, based off our preconceived notions of instrumentalism, that said stove would read said value.
If we measure before hand, we are poisoning the results by putting said perception of the results in the the local sphere. If we do not, the reality will collapse afterwards, and thus it would say little about the temperature before hand. If measured while we touch it, our view is again skewed.
Its actually fairly similar to the age old question, if a tree falls in the woods and nobody hears it, does it make a sound? No, given the assumption of trees not having a frame of reference. The question itself is outside of science, according to some, as it is not falsifiable.
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John, I think you would admit that the pot changed not. Even if our perception of it was hot or cold or niether. Our perception did not change the reality of the pot.
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The reality of that pot is a 160 degree temperature. The perception was that it's hot to one person and not to another. These perceptions don't change the fact that the pot is 160 degrees in temperature. Observation can have an effect on certain matter, but the perception of what is happening does not change the reality of what is happening.
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The reality of that pot is a 160 degree temperature. The perception was that it's hot to one person and not to another. These perceptions don't change the fact that the pot is 160 degrees in temperature. Observation can have an effect on certain matter, but the perception of what is happening does not change the reality of what is happening.
Observation can not be made without perception of what is happening. They are one in the same; If such can have an effect on matter, which it can, then we are forced to conclude that it changes the reality of happening.
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The reality of that pot is a 160 degree temperature. The perception was that it's hot to one person and not to another. These perceptions don't change the fact that the pot is 160 degrees in temperature. Observation can have an effect on certain matter, but the perception of what is happening does not change the reality of what is happening.
Observation can not be made without perception of what is happening. They are one in the same; If such can have an effect on matter, which it can, then we are forced to conclude that it changes the reality of happening.
You can observe a man at a table with a woman. Your perception can be that they are on a date and my perception can be that they are good friends. Both perceptions of this event could very well be wrong, but that doesn't change that they were observed at the table.
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The reality of that pot is a 160 degree temperature. The perception was that it's hot to one person and not to another. These perceptions don't change the fact that the pot is 160 degrees in temperature. Observation can have an effect on certain matter, but the perception of what is happening does not change the reality of what is happening.
Observation can not be made without perception of what is happening. They are one in the same; If such can have an effect on matter, which it can, then we are forced to conclude that it changes the reality of happening.
You can observe a man at a table with a woman. Your perception can be that they are on a date and my perception can be that they are good friends. Both perceptions of this event could very well be wrong, but that doesn't change that they were observed at the table.
Sure, but that brings up the question of my will; you have done nothing to show that if i were to will hard enough, it would not change what happened. Consider looking at it from this view:
Will power, and free will is simply our ability to navigate the probabilistic fields; So to take, for analogy, from multiuniverse theory - there is some universe in which those two are indeed on a date, will simply lets us navigate there. Of course, I wouldn't bring it up at the table, for they might not even be sure its a date. Our will is simply the ability to navigate.
Such a powerful notion, repeated to us at all points, I would guess by 2035 the main concern will be to stop the spread of this belief using tactics similar to those used for evacuation or disease control.
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The reality of that pot is a 160 degree temperature. The perception was that it's hot to one person and not to another. These perceptions don't change the fact that the pot is 160 degrees in temperature. Observation can have an effect on certain matter, but the perception of what is happening does not change the reality of what is happening.
Observation can not be made without perception of what is happening. They are one in the same; If such can have an effect on matter, which it can, then we are forced to conclude that it changes the reality of happening.
You can observe a man at a table with a woman. Your perception can be that they are on a date and my perception can be that they are good friends. Both perceptions of this event could very well be wrong, but that doesn't change that they were observed at the table.
Sure, but that brings up the question of my will; you have done nothing to show that if i were to will hard enough, it would not change what happened. Consider looking at it from this view:
Will power, and free will is simply our ability to navigate the probabilistic fields; So to take, for analogy, from multiuniverse theory - there is some universe in which those two are indeed on a date, will simply lets us navigate there. Of course, I wouldn't bring it up at the table, for they might not even be sure its a date. Our will is simply the ability to navigate.
Such a powerful notion, repeated to us at all points, I would guess by 2035 the main concern will be to stop the spread of this belief using tactics similar to those used for evacuation or disease control.
Do you have an example from experience that demonstrates willing something to be true? If the two are not on a date, no amount of will power will change this fact. Bringing up an alternate reality does not prove that they were on a date during your observation of them. Not only that, but it does not change the simple observation that they were at a table together.
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Yes, but you can change your observation to the point that no table even exists. Its just a thing, and people constantly see|unsee things. The human brain works by guessing. When you will yourself not to guess, you can change that observation to whatever your choose.
To the man insane who believes he is a super hero, he is a super hero for all exclusive purposes until a second point of view creates paradox for him.
The easiest thing to test willing out is a coin. Simply flip it and practice your will. Soon you will find your odds wildly in favor of the result you wish. The first time this happened for me I had a total Rosencrantz and Guildenstern moment
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Yes, but you can change your observation to the point that no table even exists. Its just a thing, and people constantly see|unsee things. The human brain works by guessing. When you will yourself not to guess, you can change that observation to whatever your choose.
To the man insane who believes he is a super hero, he is a super hero for all exclusive purposes until a second point of view creates paradox for him.
The easiest thing to test willing out is a coin. Simply flip it and practice your will. Soon you will find your odds wildly in favor of the result you wish. The first time this happened for me I had a total Rosencrantz and Guildenstern moment
What you're talking about with the table isn't the take ceasing to exist it fact but a willful ignorance to the existence of the table. It is still there whether you will it to not be and create the delusion that it isn't.
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Yes, but you can change your observation to the point that no table even exists. Its just a thing, and people constantly see|unsee things. The human brain works by guessing. When you will yourself not to guess, you can change that observation to whatever your choose.
To the man insane who believes he is a super hero, he is a super hero for all exclusive purposes until a second point of view creates paradox for him.
The easiest thing to test willing out is a coin. Simply flip it and practice your will. Soon you will find your odds wildly in favor of the result you wish. The first time this happened for me I had a total Rosencrantz and Guildenstern moment
I hope you're independently wealthy, if not then you need to spend a bit more time in casinos and less time on these forums.
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From what I understand from popular culture, they don't take kindly to serendipitously lucky folks. Besides, seems silly to use it to steal.
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From what I understand from popular culture, they don't take kindly to serendipitously lucky folks. Besides, seems silly to use it to steal.
How would that be stealing?
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Because its a fixed game at that point. Also money would be mostly worthless at that point to the "gambler" if he could be called that.
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The easiest thing to test willing out is a coin. Simply flip it and practice your will. Soon you will find your odds wildly in favor of the result you wish.
Just to be clear, you're claiming that you can change the odds of a coin toss with your will, yes? Can you demonstrate this effect?
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The easiest thing to test willing out is a coin. Simply flip it and practice your will. Soon you will find your odds wildly in favor of the result you wish.
Just to be clear, you're claiming that you can change the odds of a coin toss with your will, yes? Can you demonstrate this effect?
I believe anybody can given the proper tearing down of mental barriers. Of course it is possible without the use of will even, so any such demonstration would give us a null result. However, next time I'm with a credible witness I will make it a point to demonstrate if I am back in my best form. Its more of a borrow than it is to change the odds. Suspension of disbelief, or probability, in a way. At some point inevitably someone will believe I am wrong, thus causing paradox and evening the odds out in the long run.
Instead it is more advantageous to simply teach the practice. Those that are ready to take it up will find that with enough practice at believing they flip unfairly they will sucede and prove my cause to them.
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This thread has absolutely nothing to do with earth's shape, so it has been moved out of the Flat Earth forums.
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The lizard conspiracy is central to flat earth theory. If it was in the right forum last time you posted, it still is. Stop abusing your power.
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My lizard thread was also moved. Please show some consistency.
Moved. >o<
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*takes out popcorn*
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Don't argue with an administrator. Your curator status has been removed for one week.
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Don't argue with an administrator. Your curator status has been removed for one week.
OH MY GOD.
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Your curator status has been removed for one week.
Don't give it back.
Your abuse of power is sickening. Surely you are the last person who should have an opinion?. If another mod thinks this nonsense deserves a place in the upper forums so be it, but making us all put up with your lizard people and new religions and imaginary books and nonsensical rantings is unfair and selfish. You are not an administrator in order to post with immunity. You are an administrator to improve the site with technical modifications. Something you never have time to do because you are too busy dreaming about lizard people and new religions etc.
I was asked to be a curator to make sure this kind of idiocy was not left in the upper forums to the detriment of the site. My lizard people thread was moved to CN. At least I had the good grace to move yours to a formal forum with rules.
You have been treating this forum like a student treats an old sock, for years now. You fetch it from the corner, dust it off, spunk in it and throw it back again, leaving all of us with the revolting festering mess that you have created. >o<
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Your curator status has been removed for one week.
Don't give it back.
I second this motion. Stop being jelly, Thork. Just discuss the issues.
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Nothing I have ever said has been said without a cost. I think, say and post nothing in immunity. That is partly why meditation is so important.
That said, as one of the only members of this forum who has produced considerable work for the flat earth society, and the leader of the flat earth religion, I have a right to believe as I wish and discuss it in the appropriate forum (General has long been the appropriate forum for conspiracy theories, and while the lizard people conspiracy is bunk, it was necessary to present it as such.)
This is exactly the situation I hope to remove. We have a conflicting point of view and it has risen to emotional suffering|joy.
You believe I am posting for no reason as you fail to understand its significance or my intent. I believe it is worthwhile material and my intent and consequences are justified.
The answer is to let it live. You have no reason to exert action against it, and action in this case is not necessary. People are bent on a singular answer, a singular point of view, and a singular truth. When confronted with confliction it raises unfavorable emotions which manifest in action. This is the single greatest obstruction to time travel within our time - we lack the wisdom to make any use of it except the end of the world. At any point you feel emotion in such a way, it is likely due to a misunderstanding of the other. That is why trolling FET works, unfortunately. You are stealing joy and trading it for anger. IN essence, teaching a lesson with a one armed man.
The difference when you post nonsense is that your intent is clear by your actions. You aren't ready yet, but neither am I. I'm happy to say you are right concerning any matter, however that will not necessarily change my view.
If you are content that a thread on lizard people is not worth your time, then let it lie. Do not attempt anger based power moves and do not attempt to convert or convince someone they are wrong. Not only are they pointless, but they will just serve to infuriate you further. I act not as a noble but instead as a curator. A lonely custodian, if you will.
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http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/12-million-americans-believe-lizard-people-run-our-country/63799/ (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/12-million-americans-believe-lizard-people-run-our-country/63799/)
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http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/12-million-americans-believe-lizard-people-run-our-country/63799/ (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/12-million-americans-believe-lizard-people-run-our-country/63799/)
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500160_162-994766.html (http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500160_162-994766.html)
Poll: Majority Believe In Ghosts
Lots of people believe in lots of silly things. What's your point?
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http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/10/how-spot-reptilians-runing-us-government/71020/ (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/10/how-spot-reptilians-runing-us-government/71020/)
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This should not be in the flat earth forums. It has nothing to do with earth's shape at all.
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This should not be in the flat earth forums. It has nothing to do with earth's shape at all.
Please post any concerns you may have in S&C, not in this thread.
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i still believe the amphibian conspiracy holds more power.
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About 85% of Americans still believe there is a God, hopefully that will get fixed at some point. As for Lizard People, get real.... Lizards are cold blooded and do not have hair....
Oh my, Bald People are Lizards!
No, just nonsense....
NASA is a conspiracy!
Nope more nonsense....
The Earth is Flat!
Yep, still nonsense....
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About 85% of Americans still believe there is a God, hopefully that will get fixed at some point. As for Lizard People, get real.... Lizards are cold blooded and do not have hair....
Oh my, Bald People are Lizards!
No, just nonsense....
NASA is a conspiracy!
Nope more nonsense....
The Earth is Flat!
Yep, still nonsense....
Pardon?
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What I am trying to say is that none of those options make any sense.
God was created by humans, not the other way around.
Lizard People do not exist, and are not running the government.
NASA is an actual organization that actually sends astronauts and probes into space.
I even know people who have worked on probes that have actually orbited (and eventually ran into) the moon.
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Except that the government is able to keep a successful secret of hundreds of CIA/NSA/DOD projects, involving tens of thousands of people. You seem to have forgotten about that.
Feel free to try and find an active Top Secret document on the internet. You won't be able to. Even Wikileaks only publishes "confidential" documents, or documents which have been declassified. They know what will happen to them if they published something which is actually secret.
Fully agreed. These 'conspiracies' are manipulations used by RET to distract everyone from them making billions by sheer lies and public disinformation.
FET should be one of the top conspiracies out there, but the RET are trying to turn it into a 'joke' so they don't admit it's a proven conspiracy, time and time again.
So they pump the conspiracy world with silly theories like lizards and others made to sound ridiculous, only to hide FET from public sight and awareness.
Not to mention! Lizard theory is only possible if aliens exist, aliens are only possible if earth is not flat, ergo this is just a counter conspiracy to brainwash morons into automatically accepting RET by never talking about it. And just going with it as part of their ludicrous 'conspiracies' like lizards, aliens bla. bla.
Define. What do you mean by "they're in NASA's pocket?" Perhaps I could agree to that statement, but as far as I know they are a private run company which work together with NASA to make a cargo capsule like the Dragon be capable of docking with the ISS. They would need information from NASA on how to build the docking system, but the rocket and the cargo capsule itself is built entirely by the company itself and not by NASA.
As for space tourism. More like a few decades (my guess 20-30 years from now). When we look at the history of flying. In the beginning of the 20th century only baby steps were made. Some 40 years later it became more available to the public.
Mate cool off for F***'s sakes! You're just a misinformation agent with a damned PARODY ACCOUNT and you expect serious Flat Earthers to take your ilk seriously?
Get off your high horse ya Wan**r. And wipe your snots off your damned lying face. And clean your keyboard.
Flight was going to be scientifically researched by the Third Reich, who also travelled to Antarctica. This was all going to explore the world and prove FET, but then magically the "Allied" RETerrorists invaded to cut short all this "unhealthy explorations" of the Flat Earth.
How can you ask for a proper space program to prove FET when the RET invaded and bombed the Jesus out of it last century? If you're so passionate about developing the space program, don't find cheap excuses for it. Built a time machine, fly to Nazi Germany, win the war for them. Science wasn't censored there, it was the most advanced in the world. Still is!
RET will keep the same Dark Age they've held the Flat Earth in it for centuries now. Ocassionally invading any nation or peoples that gather about to closely to the Truth of FE. Otherwise they'll just fake a natural 'catastrophy' and OOPS no more space tourism for anyone, boo-hoo :'(
You already know why space tourism doesn't exist, you're trying to built magical excuses for it. Well stop, no one's buying your propagandist RET manure.
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Round Earth Theory does not need Lizard People to make Flat Earth Theory sound like a pile of hog-wash.
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Round Earth Theory sounds like a pile of hog-wash.
Good point, not only this. But:
Lizard Pippo proves most RETerrorists are idiots. For believing in such alienistic tripe. Or just steampunk fetischists with too much scifi channels in their TV brain history.
Lizard People conspiracy proves Round Earth Theory is stupid. Because the two are equally FAKE AS F*KK
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Um, I do not believe in Lizard People....
I do believe in Round Earth...
The reason is that round Earth makes sense, and the concept of Lizard People is right up there with believing that Elvis is still alive and running an amusement park for pedophile Catholic priests with Micheal Jackson.
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Michael*
Part of proper science is learning how to spell, unless you're a 2nd grader. In which case you are pardoned for illiteracy.
You believe RET because you're brainwashed. You have no evidence, ducky! You quack but you can't fly.
You Round Earth Ducks can't follow through on the simple course of experimentating and proof. You are parallel to science itself... most completely.
You don't have to believe in Lizard People to be an idiot. Believing in RET would do just fine.
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Um, you can't even develop an experiment.
I have developed experiments, proofs, even ones that you can easily try yourself, and you just tell me that you can't see it out of your window.
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I do look outside the window. In fact I go outside and watch the damned horizon, with all the damned cloud lines that are all perfectly flat as ****.
Now you explain why the cloud line is always FLAT beyond the horizon, even thought we should be seeing some 'curves' past the horizon?
How can the skyline be flat if the earth beneath it isn't equally flat? That would be IMPOSSIBLE.
I rest my case. You obviously don't know what you're on about. Have a drink, cool off. Fake more evidence, fossils blablabla.
Goodbye. ;D
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Because the clouds at the same angle are at the same distance from us, we see a halo of clouds around us, all at the same distance, and at the same elevation.
Nothing new there.
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I'm talking about the sky under the cloud line. Whenever it doesn't rain, the clouds form a ceiling of clouds due to water being lighter than dense air closer to the earth's surface.
That cloud line above the horizon is as flat as the earth that keeps it there, by EM pressure. Density of the earth rejects the water drops in the clouds, keeping them hundreds of metres to kilometres higher up in the air, by EM pressure fields.
It's not the clouds of fluff I speak of, child. It is the flat bottom of every low hanging cloud that touches that 'sky ceiling' you see forming near the horizon.
Get your mind out of the gutter, and watch some cloud lines. Or do I have to post fracking pictures of them here so you know what a cloud is??
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Silverdane has never taken any classes on meteorology apparently.
I can't debate with the mentally challenged.
I can tell you more about clouds than you would ever need to know, but you would just say I am lying so I wont.
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Jeffy, you're reallycoming off like a pretentious douche. You should calm your attitude if you want to have anyone correspond with you much longer.
What is so ridiculous about a reptilian breed of humanity in power? It's been said that most people in power have mental qualities not found in their subjects and are often categorized as sociopaths.
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Jeffy, you're reallycoming off like a pretentious douche. You should calm your attitude if you want to have anyone correspond with you much longer.
Everyone needs to take a chill pill.
What is so ridiculous about a reptilian breed of humanity in power?
That this breed is completely undetectable by modern medicine.
It's been said that most people in power have mental qualities not found in their subjects and are often categorized as sociopaths.
Sounds like a factoid you have derived from somewhere unspecific.
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Perhaps most was an overstatement, but a lot of CEOs of top companies exhibit sociopathic tendencies.
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What is so ridiculous about a reptilian breed of humanity in power? It's been said that most people in power have mental qualities not found in their subjects and are often categorized as sociopaths.
It is possible some people have reptilian traits that others do not. I do not believe in a 'human' race, as humanity is a theory of the Humanists, who were heretics.
There is a conspiracy of people 'in power', and it's possible one or several of the races that exist today have some special mental gifts or abilities.
Shapeshifting is real, I've seen it. However I don't believe in aliens.
I believe that we live in an alternate timeline, and the original one had many beastlike races, including some that have lizard or reptilian like qualities. They can use some tricks to 'appear' more like everyone else, because in this timeline they have to supress their magic.
But I don't know if they're the ones 'in power' ... they feel more like magical slaves of the mages to me. The Magi as a powerful order of Zoroastrians who in the original timeline bent nature and life to their twisted magic to create magical races, including reptilian ones.
I do believe the Queen is a canibal. And other 'rich filthy billionaires' are part of the same Cabal or 'evil oppressors'. I don't know if they shapeshift into reptilians, tho. My guess is they are of a different race than us, for instance.
The basic premise that supports it, is true, like you said. It's not only highly plausible but proven to be true. I just don't see how an evil reptilian breed would be in power, or why. Reptiles are different in qualities and mentality than this evil breed in power.
A way to explain why reptiles were 'blamed' for this, perhaps by the true elite to hide their true origins!! is because the reptile brain is present in most people, as it's the active survival 'wild' instinct in all of us. So a lazy metapsychological way to symbolically explain Lizard People Conspiracy, would be to say the people who have the lizard part of their brain more active than us, are naturally able to climb the power abuse ladder faster than us, in ways our minds don't understand.
Why does it have to be lizards they shapeshift into? This sounds more like a 'cover-up' conspiracy to hide the real one, and keep us from suspecting a Darker Truth beneath .. more insidious..
Sociopaths are true. For example, have you seen Dexter? I'm just like that, and I know a girl who is like me as well. We hide ourselves from the 'normals' pretty well. There is definately an occult world, or secret society of people with alternate mind patterns.
If anything 'science' is weilded by the Evil Elite in power, to keep the majority from knowing this and suspecting the ones in power from abusing these powers for evil!
So science 'disproving' what we know, is proof those Evil Elites are trying to keep others in the massive majority from knowing what we know, and discussing freely about it, without being thrown in straight jackets in padded wall rooms. By the Evil Elites. :-[
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Yes, sociopaths are real, I've studied them for a long time, more than half of my life. I have a lot of data on them..sociopaths are drawn to positions of power, and easily corruptible due to their high greed factor (reptilian libido) and manipulative masquerades. These are abilities they can't supress, only adapt to and evolve. They do gather in weird fertility sex cult like secret societies. Ever seen 'Eyes Wide Shut' ?
THAT.
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It seems like some people here are using the term "reptilian" to refer to people who happen to be sociopaths, as opposed to lizard people.
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Sociopaths do have a more active lizard brain than most. Fact.
I don't disbelieve in lizard people or secret technologies. I just don't believe lizard people are the 'evil ones' or in power of much of anything. I suspect a different race.
Not sure if I can blame lizard people for everything, maybe they are the innocent ones here? I say let's give them a hear before we judge them. Innocent until proven guilty, and we know evil elites have a way of setting others up and throwing the blame on others.
Technically if lizard people were the way the conspiracists describe them, wouldn't they have rapid regenerative powers like reptiles that regenerate their tails after losing them? Or poisoned saliva? They could have deceptive chameleon like powers so the point they would just rule over us directly, without even needing to hide their identities.
Unless they're not lizard people, just hybrid slaves created by some evil scientists to become mutants and gain some lizard like powers. Now that mutant theory seems more likely, except I wouldn't call them 'lizard people' but lizard like mutants instead.
This conspiracy needs a lot of work first before it can be made into something realistic. It's all almost 'too good to be true' as of yet.. how conveniant we all already know who 'The Real Enemy is', but if they were so stupid to be discovered by us how come they're still in power?
If they couldn't even keep their identity or race secret, they're not smart enough to explain the ammount of power they have. It could just be a cabal of older secret societies that recruit sociopaths and share power in an effort to rule the world. Toppling foreign government after the other, sending in their bussinesses to get rich like a pack from the peoples they're preying upon.
Except we already know this is already done by Britain since the middle ages, East India Trade Company, Rothschild & Freemason capitalist billionaires, or millionaires. They all join this conspiracy to become richer in exchange for their undying loyalty. And they all conspire against the rest, using brands like 'McDonalds' etc.
They are sociopaths that's for sherz. Do some of them belong to reptilian like species? Maybe, who knows? Do they serve a secret elite which may be reptilian proper? It's not impossible. But if they don't know what their masters are, how come we do?
How could it have possibly 'gotten out' ? Maybe they are medieval cannibals or humanists who gained more and more power as they created false religions (Protestantism, Orthodoxy) to destroy the original Universal (Catholic) Church, and steal the imperial european power from the aristocracy, and form their own cannibalistic cabal of humanist plutocrats.
I'd go with medieval heretics, or slave traders myself. Slavery wasn't abolished just publically 'denied' by the present slave traders who control mass media and society's 'perceptions' to a degree. Fact is, medieval serfs in the feudal system had better conditions that any worker today.
A contract, a fair wage, protection from the citadel, privileges. This is why many pagans moved to the 'city' to join this feudal system, because it was safer and better than pagan life at the countryside. They were professional workers, not serfs! And they became the basis for the city, founded near the citadel, so they were anything but slaves.
The slave traders of today call the modern slave 'worker', and the medieval worker 'slave', because they don't want people to live their own free lives and destroy their world dominating conspiracy.
Fact is taxes or 'countries' shouldn't technically exist. That's just proof of an evil elite hiding it's lechery of our profits by 'national protection'. Protection from what? Other fake states created by them? That's protection money from a mafia, same system. A government is just a mafia that robs you pretending to offer protection from other mafias.
This is why the Feudal system is best. Citadels, empires or even pagans who have no nation but only a continental identity or cultural tradition like folklore. That's the normal way of life. These evil elites are trying to hide.
So if the lizard people only gained power by overthrowing the feudal system of freedom and fair work, they're not as 'great' or awesome as the conspiratists want them to be.
Maybe the real evil elite just wants their sociopathic egos stroked, so they want us to stroke their giant egos by claiming they are 'of an ancient superior race who is invincible and allmighty that created mortals from dirt'.
It's just positive propaganda so we'd overestimate them. Maybe they're just slave traders, cannibals, pimps, black market moguls, crooks, liars, etc. Subhumans who banded together because individually they are too weak against us.
If an evil reptilian elite existed, we wouldn't ever know about it. They'd wipe our memories or remove that thought from our brains using biological implants or chips. Or other weird alien technology for mind supression or manipulation.
There is an evil elite, but I don't think we should 'settle' for lizard people and stop searching for answers. We don't know the truth, so we should keep searching! Maybe we're the lizard people, and they're trying to enslave us because they're the "true humans" ?
Maybe we are that evil race of the Biblical Snake, and they are descendents of Eve. Cursed to be in enmity with each other, and get our heads smashed by her children. This would make us the evil satanists, and them the 'rightful masters of the Earth'.
The TRUTH Is Out There .. We Are Among Them!!
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2011/06/14/why-some-psychopaths-make-great-ceos/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2011/06/14/why-some-psychopaths-make-great-ceos/)
"At first I was really skeptical because it seemed like an easy thing to say, almost like a conspiracy theorist’s type of thing to say. I remember years and years ago a conspiracy theorist telling me the world was ruled by blood-drinking, baby-sacrificing lizards. These psychologists were essentially saying the same thing. Basically, when you get them talking, these people [ie. psychopaths] are different than human beings. They lack the things that make you human: empathy, remorse, loving kindness."
The connection between my argument of CEO sociopaths and lizard people, both show similar characteristics. By the way, "the incidence of psychopathy among CEOs is about 4 percent, four times what it is in the population at large."
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Interesting. So sociopaths and psychopaths are the same? I hope there's a difference, because I'm a psychopath, and consider myself an emotionalness, cold, soulless monster, who avoids friendship, interpersonal relationships etc.
Yet I do have empathy which I train on a psychic level, and I relate very kindly and well to other psychopaths. I don't accept butchery of animals or crimes, and other 'immoral' events, which is why I'm vegetarian. But on the other hand I have no remorse from killing when I have to. Assassins fear me because they still have 'empathy', while I have none.
I am certainly a psychopaths, and have some reptilian like qualities. But I always explained this as vampiric or dark elven ancestry. Or autism!
However, I don't see myself poisoning people or causing evil like the elites are, or oppressing anyone or hurting children or especially women. Or running some gold digging corporation which exploits the workers or robs them. I'd rather die of starvation or live in poverty than stoop to their level.
I consider myself 'of the people', with the eventual subtle snicker. I strongly believe in free will and justice. Sociopaths are different than hikikomori. A hikikomori is different, reptilian yes, why not? But different than the ruthless heartless, greedy elites.
I do have an urge to feed on blood, but I force myself not to, because I don't want to kill anyone just for food. There are alternate ways of feeding, ones that don't require cannibalism (which is gross and savage).
If those CEO's and other evil elites are somehow reptilian or even hybrid, they are the 'fallen' form of our kind.
PS: I did read years ago about a race of 'Carpathians' that have pale skin, and some other physical traits that perfectly match my own, who is considered 'of the Dragon'.
So I researched the Order of the Dragon, and found that Vlad the Impaler, was also known as 'Vlad Threkhel' or Vlad the Thracian, in the Saxon language. So Dragon means Thracian. Or Thracian mean Dragon. A northern race in Europe, which has a history of thirst for blood, vampirism, cruelty etc.
They are also a powerful germanic military order in the First Reich (Holy German Empire), that same Dragon Order, so their empire was the Germanic-Norse one. Which presently doesn't exist.
Though Prince Charles is allegedly a distant relative of Vlad the Impaler, he is too 'soft' to be a true Dragon. Thracians , or 'Children of the Dragon', are in Hellenic lore said to be the strongest people in the world, second in numbers after the hindus, and if they ever worked together in the same empire, they'd conquer the world. But they can't because of infighting.
However, a true Dragon sees it cowardly to run 'companies' or 'corporations', when there are honorable ways of gaining power fairly, instead of at the expense of others.
To sum it up nicely, if we were being dominated by the Lizard People presently, we'd be annexed in a sort of Germanic - Thracian Reich, like the empire of greater germany was last century. I'm from a teutonic noble family myself, so I assume this reptilian race gained noble status due to their racial prowess in the past.
So there is certainly truth to this, as I've researched it myself to understand why I'm different.
This different race certainly exists, and we do shapeshift, at different speeds. To some it can take days, months or years to change form. But since me and that other psychopath who has similar traits with me, and a lot of telepathic connexions, have viking / nordic / scandinavian ancestry, and a lot of similar tastes in music and the likes, as well as long pointed elven ears, I attributed it to being of the Alvar race in nordic mythology.
So I don't really consider the elven race to be 'reptilian'. Though there is an elven race of 'dragons' or 'thracians', who do have somewhat exotic 'mongoloid' eyes. Which are not mongoloid, that's just what the elites are trying to say. They're of the vikings, who were of that Dragon race that conquered Eurasia and spread germanic - norse words in most languages, from scandinavia.
You'll find the Dragon proper racial traits, mostly in scandinavia, russia and other parts of Europe where they historically invaded (8th cent), where they created or ruled over the First Germanic Empire (Holy Roman Empire). Which was nordic obviously due to it's Roman Wolf cult of 'brave northern warriors'.
I've been going with Levee's New Chronology ever since I read it here years ago, and proven it with every bit of history I studied. So the "Roman Empire" in history, is my 'First Reich' in New Chronology. Or the Roman Empire is a hoax copied ater the Germanic Holy "Roman" Empire of medieval Ages.
So why do you think all these 'reptilians' are evil? I will go ahead and post some examples of people of this 'Dragon' Race of the Elven (norse germanic) origin. You can see those evil elites who run the world rarely possess these traits, they are no so pure of race as the original viking Dragons / Thracians..
That's why the evil elites currently running things are possibly hybrids who hate the pure Dragon race. Which is why they formed the 'Allies' of their oppressed nations last century, to destroy the true Dragon (pure reptilian) rule over the world. In other words to stop Nazi Germany. Which was supported by the Illuminatti, as the Brown shirt and golden suit of Goebbels and Hitler, was a tribute to the Illuminatti secret occult order of Magi. Or whatever they are.
But I don't consider them to be evil. They fought against the evil elites, who are incapable of even understanding empathy, and have to pretend to have it but generally fail to. I can pretend to have empathy, because elves have high empathy. But I can also shut it off completely.
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Notice bigger cheekbones, like a dragon would have, exotic almost oblique eyes..that appear big when they open, but very small when they close. The Kyrghiz tribe had this feature from what their statues show, also the other 'Turkic' tribes which were nordic scandinavians, and not the current arabic-mongoloids who are of a different race that is non-dragon.
Is this the reptilian race you're thinking of? The only evil elite of the Dragon race I've seen is Christina Aguilera, who's only a hybrid:
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Due to admixture with non-elven races she is considered halfling next to true Dragons, so she doesn't count. She is an evil Elite though, so maybe all evil elites are just hybrids of the Dragon race.
The origins of this race I've identified as Lilith, over 90% of this race are 'female', if you can call it that. There exists a male of the species but it is generally weaker in power, and seen as a slave basically. The main draconian traits are only inherited in pure form by the 'female'. Who doesn't even consider itself female! The female Dragon perceives itself as more dominant than any man, superior to other elven and european races. Actually superior to all other living races, basically.
The valkyries were definately of this Dragon race, they are even described as winged in some legends..while me and this other psychopath girl, who is also of this race, have wings they are not attached to the human host, but to the other form which is more 'physical' to us than this etherial human one.
The Dragon society is matriarchal, since only the full XX sex chromozomes inherit the power of Lilith or "The Dragon", or "The Snake of Eden", or "The Satan".
Trust me, if we'd be enslaved by my people we'd know it by now. If all of us got togetha' we'd seriesly fak sheet ap sidewayz.
Mila Jovovich, but she's pureborn Dragon so she's not with the evil elites:
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(http://lascerezasdexondicar.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/milla_jovovich_1280_800_jun082009.jpg)
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And don't ask exactly 'how' I know, but Dragons can sense each other like that. Telempathically. To know who's evil or not. The purebloods are rarely evil, it's the hybrids you have to worry about...they're trash.
We are extremely easy to identify by our elvish ears, cheekbones and exotic eyes which generally are closer together, whereas in real "humans" they're further apart, or set more away at normal distance. Reptiles have eyes that stare on opposite sides of the face, but Dragons have eyes that are more set to look in front. Like a warrior that only sees what's in front of them.
We are most certainly not like the rest of you. We never even consider ourselves 'human'. We're sort of like the Elven Highborn, the most arrogant racist, snobbish elitist aristocratic of the entire Elven species. Most other elven races hate our guts.
We exist in mythology as well, as 'devils', not just as dragons. In certain angles and from some perspectives we exhibit devilish traits which don't exist in any other races. We are definately sadists, we love to torture, kill, mutilate, torment etc. And we are satanists.
But we don't do gross rituals like Blood Libels (eating babies). That's for the inferior trash who are hybrids or warlocks. The pure blood of our dragon race prefers the open display of our power, like masters. We don't just see ourselves as kind peaceful Arians, but as wild blood thirsty Ubermensch.
However, ruling over most of the races we see as inferior would be insulting to us, since that would mean we see them as having enough worth to be worth ruling over. Frankly this world doesn't deserve us as the Master Race. You'd benefit too much from the wonders of our kind. :P
So we rule all the cool places like the Underworld, or Seaworld etc. Soon Heaven *crosses fingurz for Ragnarok ::) *
We're very picky with our blood. Most of the populace has poisoned blood to us, so we can't drink it. It will literally make us ill, so we're not like those 'vampires'. We're like the aristocracy of the vampires. Your evil elites are like the lowest form of subvampire trash. The lowborn, or slaves. They hide behind mortal servants because they want to avoid us, their masters / superiors, so we don't use our powers to annihilate them. :-*
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I'm sorry, did I accidentally click on a thread where we post our fanfics or something?
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This thread is getting further away from something even remotely connected to FET. I suggest a mod move this to science & pseudoscience.
EDIT: Thank you John
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Both are considered 'conspirative', are they noth?
Both are .. conspiracies with a decent fanbase. Who are very dedicated people. I've talked to many people in america and not just, in the past years on youtube (and other sites), who were devoted to the Lizard Folk conspiracy.
I never disbelieved it, since I'm not the skeptic type, I never went on board with it, since I have my own personal judgements on the evil elites. And also because I'm antisemitic, so the ones I suspect are of the false mozaic sects, or egyptian evil race, and not necessarily reptilian by nature..
Though I don't exclude the semitic evil elites having reptile traits, as Duck Dodgers made it clear, they do have reptilian sociopathic traits. If they are lizards they'd have a sun cult of sorts hidden in plain sight, where they draw heat from the sun, to appear normal like everyone else.
Dragons on the other hand, are nocturnal, hate the sun, and are more like lone wolf vampires. We hate packs and we're 'sovereign' instead of acting like slave masters, as the evil elite does. They're pretentious snobs who impersonate the true aristocracy.
I blame England for miscegenation with a reptilian semitic species which later occupied the whole british kingdoms forming the evil British Commonwealth full of capitalist tyrant slave drivers, who fueled the slave trade & transport from Afrika zu Neue Welt.
If they are reptilians masquerading as yids, or yids masquerading as reptilians to hide their 'true identity', I am impartial. I just know they're 'The Enemy'. My blood tells me it.
However if I do have a natural instinct to hate reptilians because their nature disgusts me, would this disprove or prove lizard folk? I mean it's not like there's a biological explanation for why 'our kind' would hate their kind .. and I do hate them.
So how can there be a lizard race is there's no antilizard race? Do I just hate them because they're ugly / stupid / untalented / pretentious slimes?
Anyway, having seen some interesting footage from my amerikanische freunds over the past years, which they uploaded on 'lizard people', I know there's definately 'something wrong', or 'something out there', so to speak.
I just can't say if the current theory is the best one.
I mean, lizards are cute and unthreatening. If it was spiders or roaches, that'd be gross and evil. Imagine giant black widow spiders who eat people, and take over the skin of their victims to pose as human. Then suddenly two tarantula fangs jump out your friend's mouth and spike you in the neck. Poisoning you, then vomiting acid in your mouth to melt your insides.
Spider people Conspiracy sounds compelling to me. It's really scary and worth being worried about. Or Cockroaches that also have human 'skins' to fit in, but are giant insects underneath who are animating the outer shell of a dead victim.
Next to this or other sick imaginative conspiracies out there, lizard people is nothing. It doesn't really worry me, if it is true.
However, if anyone's been watching that awesome show, V ... which 'inexplicably' got 'cancelled' just when the Visitors invaded, you'll see the Lizard People Conspiracy in it's full epic glory. And it's really epic, with a hive like mentality and their true reptile forms, and sharp teeth.
The story is they invaded decades ago using biological clones of human skin to hide their true reptilian forms (not shapeshifting), and want to take over the world to destroy this 'human empathy' they don't seem to get. The reptilians who do understand human empathy want cohabitation to give us their epic technology so we can evolve faster while we teach them empathy, bla bla.
While the evil empathyless reptiles want to eat humans, and deposit their eggs in them. The process which means killing the host who is bitten to death by the lizard's sharp fangs, after intercourse. Then the lizard proceed to exterminate 'humanity' and move on to conquering new races on new worlds.
The problem with this is the previous conspiracy. The Alien Conspiracy which was created before World War 1, by a sect of RET like Internationalist mobsters. Who wanted to 'create the illusion of a common enemy, and great threat, to get the different races to work together as if they are the Human Race, and ignore all cultural diversity differences'.
This would make 'humanists' easier to rule, since they are under the mass illusion they are of the same 'race' the "human" one, as every other person on the flat earth. That simply is not the case, racial differences are obvious, and humanity doesn't have a common origin, because only a certain race is descendant from Eve. A race which may have various subraces, of course.
But there is no common origin for 'people', and no Darwinism isn't convincing at all. It's just further proof of this Alien Conspiracy created by humanists of the evil elite who want to rule 'human sheeple' easier by terrorizing them with a common imagined enemy 'from outta speis'. Who would force 'everyone' to 'work together', and ban to destroy the purity of the divine created races, and undermine the Creator's perfect work, thus destroying Christianity etc.
So my guess is if lizard people exist in any form, they are not aliens. They could just be a natural or demonic, or magical species living in the Underworld of the Flat Earth, who developed their own ways of infiltrating the 'world above', here on the surface, plotting to use us as 'warm fast food meals', consuming only a few of us so we don't know they're eating our kind slowly.
This is where overpopulation comes in. The more overbred hypersexed savaged the world has, the more numbers to hide the victims eaten by reptilians in. This is why rape culture fads and other sex industry trends are promoted by the Evil Elite who runs capitalism. Those missing people at the siberian gulags could have been live prisoners or experiment victims of the Reptilians.
Stalin could have been a reptilian..Roosevelt, Churchill. Or some other variety of 'weird' monster. Though monster is a kind word for filth like that. Sending millions to their death, to further the Reptilian Agenda for world domination.
After these lizards gained capitalist monopoly through their two world wars, they began to promote this fertility cult by which they corrupt the good cultural values of traditional europeans, so they can kidnap and eat our children easier. All their reptile governments can't keep people from dissappearing, now can they? :P
What's the point of a government, if not a cowardly way of mass oppression? Countries existing is great proof of lizard people / evil elites.
There's this video I recall, with a young girl who 'broke Blue Monarch mind control', and had a fit of desperation in public. She was screaming how 'they eat people ... ' about some latino south amerikan billionaire she was with. Then she mentions the queen of UK, as also being a cannibal. She was really scared by what she saw them doing in private, and didn't want to be arrested. The cops were obviously trying to keep her silent, but someone caught the whole thing on camera.
They would be trying to make her seem insane or having had a 'nervous breakdown', but her reaction was real to something very legitimate. And the cops were there for 'damage control' to hide this cannibal elite's secrets that she'd been exposed to. I guess don't hang out with latino filthy rich billionaires, or the Queen of England next time you want to not get 'suicided'.
Or do, in case you're trying to expose the evil elite, or document the reptiles.
I have to say, even if there are no lizard people, these videos are very entertaining. It's like live action real life television. Unscripted hardcore events with people who either know "The Truth" or part of it, and believe it strongly enough to dig deeper. It's like an ongoing movie series only better. Each scene is real with people who aren't acting, and research this conspiracy.
Or the other chance is that the govt. already developed biological chips to alter their thoughts and mind patterns to get them to 'believe' in the same conspiracies, in order to hide the Real Conspiracy from us.
In other words...any spy you think is on your side can be a double agent. ;)
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This thread is getting further away from something even remotely connected to FET. I suggest a mod move this to science & pseudoscience.
You are suggesting a death sentence. What you are saying has already taken the life of one mod. We will miss him.
Also, Lizard people are part of the conspiracy, which hides the truth about the shape of the Earth. There is a connection between Lizard people and the FET.
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This thread is getting further away from something even remotely connected to FET. I suggest a mod move this to science & pseudoscience.
You are suggesting a death sentence. What you are saying has already taken the life of one mod. We will miss him.
Also, Lizard people are part of the conspiracy, which hides the truth about the shape of the Earth. There is a connection between Lizard people and the FET.
Gotcha.. Thanks for the low down.
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Since this certainly has played out towards the general Lizard conspiracy and not the flat earth strain of it, I'm happy to move this thread.
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The way I see the Lizard conspiracy theories is three fold. Sorry to those who don't like the joke explained.
First, on a modern naturally socially developed level, it places madness and religious revelation as a mechanism to communicate to a society its pressing issues that have caused these individuals to "go crazy" - similar to how certain objects act as a "warning alarm" to a biological system. The message in this case being a warning against conspiracies in general, and sociopathic or heartless rulers who tend to exhibit more reptilian features.
Indeed, sociopaths do use more of their reptilian brain structure compared to the average human.
This was part of what I was intent on showcasing with the reptilian conspiracy in general - that it is more of a naturally developed myth with its own inherent attached symbolism and raison d'etre. If one were to say religion and mythology is dead, they would be, at least according to me, looking in the wrong places. More accurately, it is attacked and squashed for regulation of the general well being of the population.
If I had to guess, sociopathic rulers are a symptom of this removal of true religious practice, which curbs and controls social abnormalities, or at the very least evolves them into a society and alerts it of its issues. This also happened when religion was first being institutionalized in Western culture, and thus sacred practice was given a backseat to essentially idol worship, and ended similarly with a heartless essentially sociopathic ruling class.
Secondly, using the principles of model-dependent reality we have to assume that if a model can fit that gives us an appropriate way to predict a system that it is as true as any other model, or that said truth is irrelevant. Since this fits the same model, more or less, as many flat earth conspiracy theories it is important to us.
We are essentially, as noted in many places, ruled by a class already that is essentially "lizard people." Given that we are already, at least in part, being ruled in a silent conspiracy of the heartless how unlikely really is it that they aren't space reptiles. And what difference would that make? They still act without empathy or care. Would it change our actions?
With the new face of science being pushed through media and culture as the new monks, handing down sacred knowledge since the end of WWII (when science had to get many moral ducks in order, which it has since far too often forgotten about), we have created a new religion in science to replace the old with the same structural flaws as previous ones - namely heartless natural advancement and the spread of information from a select few rules, oft who are disconnected from (or outright against) the societies ideal moral practices. And a heartless natural system will be the fruit of a system ruled by heartless barbs, and this is not even the mathematically ideal path to take for advancement. Its, in fact, what would happen if we took no action to either trade down (for social benefits and safety nets) or work up (through understanding of economy etc.) Science and academia acts largely in an unenlightened and amoral manner, similar to how our ancestors dealt with most issues.
Society is supposed to be a movement away from nature and the order it imposes and a reaching to a higher calling for the society and the member of the society alike. The removal of a moral compass in society has caused a rift that has created a sociopathic ruling class similar that that which has happened in the past at great cost.
This is largely what the original flat earth movement in the 1900 was all about - a move to give the robes of the monk to everyone - which if we remember the history of science was largely the point of empiricism in the first place.
Third, similarly to my first point, biblically there is a field day to be had. This is not a new mythology but a repeated one that has shown its face many times over the years.
Of course its easy to mistake a narcissist for a sociopath so its important not to act on this or take it too seriously. Likewise, we are talking at least on the literal angle about lizard people, not sociopaths.
Given this, we can see a worldwide conspiracy that was not silent should, at least theoretically, be possible. I hardly doubt anyone believes there are not various conspiracies of power in existence. While I tend to err on the side of human error or blindness, I still cannot in good conscience discount conspiracies as a possibility. I felt this path was the best to show this message.
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Since this certainly has played out towards the general Lizard conspiracy and not the flat earth strain of it, I'm happy to move this thread.
Should've been moved to CN.
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Also I should note I'm just going down the sociopath strain since that seems to be the direction of the thread, but the point could be made from other parallel structures in society.
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Secondly, using the principles of model-dependent reality we have to assume that if a model can fit that gives us an appropriate way to predict a system that it is as true as any other model, or that said truth is irrelevant. Since this fits the same model, more or less, as many flat earth conspiracy theories it is important to us.
From this I have to ask this question:
Where does paranoia stop? At what point does something go from being possible, but unlikely to be true, to the point where paranoia sets in?
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Secondly, using the principles of model-dependent reality we have to assume that if a model can fit that gives us an appropriate way to predict a system that it is as true as any other model, or that said truth is irrelevant. Since this fits the same model, more or less, as many flat earth conspiracy theories it is important to us.
From this I have to ask this question:
Where does paranoia stop? At what point does something go from being possible, but unlikely to be true, to the point where paranoia sets in?
Paranoia doesn't have a place in model-dependent reality. If it can be modeled, and describes the system it models more reliably than others, then it is as "good as real" since all our models are essentially useful lies and relations. The world being a projection made out of data fed into our brains throughout our life via our sensory input and inherited model structures in the brain. If situation can be described as a conspiracy abstractly, then it makes no difference to us or to rational actors whether or not it is indeed a reality, only that it is a model that fits our current situation.
Now to the individual actor, he might take all this information, read it his own way, and thus be paranoid. Is there a line where it is paranoia? I suppose like any mental disorder its when it interferes with your pursuit of happiness or harms another beyond the law. Some find it harder (to live with)|(to fight against) uncomfortable truths.
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Models are only as good as the predictions they can make. In that way you can assess its accuracy and validity.
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Models are only as good as the predictions they can make. In that way you can assess its accuracy and validity.
Correct, but not whether it is true or not; It can be valid and accurate and still not describe the situation at hand, nor should it matter. As Copernicus, and many others after him, has stated in both action and word:
It is not necessary that hypotheses be true or even probable; it is sufficient that they lead to results of calculation which agree with calculation ... The hypothesis of the terrestrial motion was nothing but an hypothesis, valuable only so far as it explained phenomena not considered with reference to absolute truth or falsehood
In this much, science is more about continuity than truth. Usability of abstracts over their truth value.
This will be one of the falls of science as we know it in the coming years.
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I am a lizard people and I find this thread offensive.
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I am a lizard people and I find this thread offensive.
I am still waiting for an apology for having moved this thread in here several months ago, had a torrent of abuse, had my curator status removed and all because I could see that this dreadful thread was nothing to do with FET.
No good deed goes unpunished. :(
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I am still waiting for an apology for having moved this thread in here several months ago, had a torrent of abuse, had my curator status removed and all because I could see that this dreadful thread was nothing to do with FET.
No good deed goes unpunished. :(
Keep waiting.
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I am a lizard people and I find this thread offensive.
I am still waiting for an apology for having moved this thread in here several months ago, had a torrent of abuse, had my curator status removed and all because I could see that this dreadful thread was nothing to do with FET.
No good deed goes unpunished. :(
Your curator status was not revoked for moving a thread. It was because of the monumental hissy fit that ensued.
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Sry th*rk
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Justice finally is served!
Th*rk for FE President! :)