The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: CarlEdwards25 on September 19, 2012, 09:58:26 AM
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How does the ice wall not melt? It can't be that cold all the way around the Earth.
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Why not?
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^Simple convection from the heat created on the bottom of the earth from UA acting on it would melt the ice wall. This was discussed somewhat recently. Besides I was under the impression that the ice wall model is old news and even you didn't really believe in it anymore.
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Does simple convection from your alleged molten core melt ice drifts in RET? I see no reason why convection must need melt ice in the rim or polar region.
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Its a very different concept, in ret the convection waves have to pass through many miles of rock yet in the ice wall fet the waves simply have to pass through space around the earth
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Space being an excellent conductor of heat, then as you see it.
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Perhaps not space per say, but there will be some form of a surface for the heat to travel along as it moves along the sides of the flat earth, especially if it is cone shaped as I believe is a common view of it. Heat moves over a surface much easier than through it
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Remember the "ice wall" is just a theory, in no way does this wall hold back the Earth;s oceans.
If Antarctica was the rim, its the rock beneath it not the ice that holds back the water.
Until a continuous 150 ft wall of ice, 60,000 km long has been discovered it will only remain a theory.
What makes much more sense, especially to a Zetetic is that Antarctica is a separate continent.
And thanks to Master Willmore, that will soon become the "mainstream" theory.
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Perhaps not space per say, but there will be some form of a surface for the heat to travel along as it moves along the sides of the flat earth, especially if it is cone shaped as I believe is a common view of it. Heat moves over a surface much easier than through it
First, I don't know anyone who subscribes to a cone-shape. Second, you've gone from convection to radiation(?) and now heat is moving on "some form of surface". Forgive me if I don't believe you have any idea about the subject at hand.
Now, how is the heat transfer through a surface (conduction? I'm really not sure what you're talking about, but I'm going to assume you're poorly explaining conduction) any different than the conduction you earlier told me had to transfer through many miles of rock and so insulated the poles of a globe?
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Ive seen many strong FE believers suggest it to e cone shaped. perhaps you miseed that memo which doesnt surprise me as noone seems to be able to keep the story straight about FET. Oh wait thats cause theres so many holes in the theory everyone needs to make up some preposterous explanation.
And so what if my terminology is not 100% correct, the principles and physics are still relevant. Whats funny is your calling me out on something that I have been trying to help explain in favor of FET in this thread, otherwise I simply would have told the OP that the ice wall doesnt melt because it doesnt exist, its called Antartica which is a continent on the southern-most part of the globe.
Yet as has been stated several times (by me as well) it is apparent that the majority of FEB's no longer support the ice wall theory. Even your prescious Tom Bishop doesnt support it
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Well, it really depends on your apparently arbitrary definition of "ice wall". And I'd love to see the "strong FE believers" suggesting it is cone shaped.
I'm still at a loss as to why the rim-country would not be cold according to you.
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Well then do explain how flat earth is shaped good sir, id like to hear. As to your second part, its a simple matter of the force from UA creates heat on the bottom of the earth (whatever shape it is) which is a FET constant, (atleast I think, then again I could be wrong as everyone thinks something different.) That heat is not going to be just on the very bottom surface if the earth has any taper to it.
Then again I suppose my argument (which is trying to help plug a hole in FET) is invalid because no one agrees on anything. My argument works very well for a cone shaped FE, but I'm seeing in other threads that the earth could be infinitely deep?
Perhaps this argument needs saved for when FE'ers get a common ground to stand on
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The earth cannot be infinitely deep. Only infinite in scope. I'm still waiting for the myriad of posts describing it as a cone.
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After looking into it I suppose it was only suggested as a possibility a few times. It also led me to discover there is no solid theory for what the other side is like, though the cone shape makes the most sense in my head when looking at the force of UA acting upon the earth. Another one I saw pop up a few time was thin cylinder (hockey puck i believe was used more than once as an example) and of course there's the ever popular back of a tortise/elephant.
Either way it boils down to one undeniable fact, the FE'ers need to get their stories straight if they ever hope to prove this to anyone
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has anyone ever been to the ice wall?
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has anyone ever been to the ice wall?
Many people have.
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Lord Pythagoras, you seem to have a misguided idea as to what convection, conduction, and radiation mean. Please correct yourself before moving on.
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name 10 people that have been to the ice wall
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name 10 people that have been to the ice wall
James Clark Ross
Carl Anton Larsen
Robert Falcon Scott
Erich von Drygalski
William Speirs Bruce
Earnest Shakleton
Roald Amundsen
Douglas Mawson
Richard Evelyn Byrd
Lincoln Ellsworth
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name 10 people that have been to the ice wall
James Clark Ross
Carl Anton Larsen
Robert Falcon Scott
Erich von Drygalski
William Speirs Bruce
Earnest Shakleton
Roald Amundsen
Douglas Mawson
Richard Evelyn Byrd
Lincoln Ellsworth
I thought you now believed that Antarctica was a seperate continent, not the ice wall? Isn't the map showing Antarctica as a seperate continent the one you've been touting lately? Weren't many (if not all) of those people among those who explored, studied and charted Antarctica?
Or are you back to claiming that Antarctica is the ice wall, and all the explorers just happend to find, explore and chart the same small section of the ice wall?
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I thought you now believed that Antarctica was a seperate continent, not the ice wall? Isn't the map showing Antarctica as a seperate continent the one you've been touting lately? Weren't many (if not all) of those people among those who explored, studied and charted Antarctica?
Or are you back to claiming that Antarctica is the ice wall, and all the explorers just happend to find, explore and chart the same small section of the ice wall?
We're talking about the traditional FE model in this thread.
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has anyone actually been to the edge
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has anyone actually been to the edge
If they have, they haven't lived to report about it.
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has anyone actually been to the edge
Some believe that Andrea Barns made it to the edge, but she was never seen again after she left on her ill fated expedition and the film in her camera that was recovered was ruined when it was accidentally exposed to light.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2602284039812956586&hl=en# (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2602284039812956586&hl=en)
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is the edge being guarded?
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It is rumored that people have died trying to find out.
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you would think some would make it back considering the technology we have
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until evidence is brought forward we must assume there is no ice wall.
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is the edge being guarded?
Yes approximately 80,000 guards have no lives and simply wait in the freezing cold hoping that eventually they will get to turn away some pesky citizens.
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until evidence is brought forward we must assume there is no ice wall.
It really depends on how you define the ice wall. That there is an ice shelf and mountains in the rim country is fairly well documented.
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until evidence is brought forward we must assume there is no ice wall.
It really depends on how you define the ice wall. That there is an ice shelf and mountains in the rim country is fairly well documented.
I define the "Ice Wall" as a continuous 150 ft wall of ice that holds back all of the worlds oceans.
It is over 70 thousand km long.
First of all, ice will not hold back water well, and yes, varying heights of ice shelves that surround 2/3's of Antarctica. Until this massively long ice wall can be confirmed, we must conclude, as Zetetics, that it is only a theory.
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Still talking about the mythical ice wall?
It's not there, people have been all around the continent of Antarctica. People have traveled past Antarctica. Cruises are offered even.
Coast Guard polar rollers help maintain the numerous NOAA buoys around the continent.
No ice wall.
you can freely travel due south and not come into contact with an ice wall, just Antarctica. You can then go around it and head to different oceans.
Case closed.
Let's not provoke the Bishop to further shenanigans.
And now im not on my 666 post anymore. sad face :(
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until evidence is brought forward we must assume there is no ice wall.
It really depends on how you define the ice wall. That there is an ice shelf and mountains in the rim country is fairly well documented.
I define the "Ice Wall" as a continuous 150 ft wall of ice that holds back all of the worlds oceans.
It is over 70 thousand km long.
First of all, ice will not hold back water well, and yes, varying heights of ice shelves that surround 2/3's of Antarctica. Until this massively long ice wall can be confirmed, we must conclude, as Zetetics, that it is only a theory.
I don't think anyone thinks a 150' wall of ice is holding back all of the world's oceans. So I'm not sure what the issue is.
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so what is the purpous of a 150ft continous ice wall around the rim?
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It serves no purpose. Its not there, it is only in the minds of people who have not seen anything past their country
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I don't think anyone thinks a 150' wall of ice is holding back all of the world's oceans. So I'm not sure what the issue is.
From the FAQ (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,1324.msg1312140.html#msg1312140)
Q: "Why doesn't water run off the Earth?"
A: There is a vast "ice wall" that keeps the water where it is. This explains why you can find a vast plane of ice as you travel southward. The wall is roughly 150ft high. In the McIntyre model, however, the height of the wall increases further as one moves toward the edge of the world.
The official position of the Flat Earth Society that there is indeed a 150 foot wall of ice holding back the world's oceans.
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From the FAQ.
... the wall is a mountain range. It just happens to be covered in ice and snow.
so what is the purpous of a 150ft continous ice wall around the rim?
What is the purpose of Greenland?
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From the FAQ.
... the wall is a mountain range. It just happens to be covered in ice and snow.
???
I am unsure of what you are trying to convey here.
Is this intended to support your original assertion that no one believes that a 150' wall of ice is holding back the worlds oceans?
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I don't think anyone thinks a 150' wall of ice is holding back all of the world's oceans. So I'm not sure what the issue is.
From the FAQ (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,1324.msg1312140.html#msg1312140)
Q: "Why doesn't water run off the Earth?"
A: There is a vast "ice wall" that keeps the water where it is. This explains why you can find a vast plane of ice as you travel southward. The wall is roughly 150ft high. In the McIntyre model, however, the height of the wall increases further as one moves toward the edge of the world.
The official position of the Flat Earth Society that there is indeed a 150 foot wall of ice holding back the world's oceans.
There are a series of 150 foot tall Ice Walls and Ice Shelves which cover 95% of the Antarctic coastline (http://theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Ice_Wall).
They are there in the Round Earth model as well. You should have learnt about them in elementary school.
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there is also a series of sand walls in the American Florida. What do the "ice walls"do?
or do they have no purpose?
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there is also a series of sand walls in the American Florida. What do the "ice walls"do?
or do they have no purpose?
They do not have a purpose.
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I keep getting sucked back into this, despite knowing it servers no purpose to argue against FE due to selecting reading and denial of truth. But seriously can you stop with the ice wall, maybe take it out of the FAQ? it just is not real, no proof, no witnesses (i swear to god you site some old peoples story of "OMG LOOK AN ICE WALL THE END OF THE EARTH!!!!" then that just makes you look sad)
All in all, no modern documented or even word of mouth style sea storys even begin to hint at an edge of earth. It is just appalling to think this is still brought up.
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I agree, if the "ice wall" has no purpose, why is it in the FAQ?
Why does the FAQ say : A: There is a vast "ice wall" that keeps the water where it is.
when no one believes this?
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Everyone believes in the ice of the ice wall. The debate is over whether it is a separate continent known as Antarctica, or whether a wall has been mistaken for a continent. All the known evidence points toward a ring of ice surrounding the Earth. I don't see why there is any reason not to refer to this icy ring around the earth as an ice wall.
There is also good reason to believe that this ring of ice is not impassable by some creatures. The dinosaurs probably made it safely over the wall and are living on the other side. The best explanation for UFO's is that they come not from up in the air but from a land beyond the ice wall. The freaks who believe in a hollow earth are sadly mistaken in believing that this land is heaven, though. This land is undoubtedly Hell. The best explanation for the great dinosaur migration was that the Devil wanted the dinosaurs to be his demons in Hell.
If you read the Bible and compare it to the fossil record it's pretty obvious that Adam and Eve and Cain and Able and Seth and everyone up until Abraham were not modern people but dinosaurs. Dinosaurs were the old people. But they were wicked and the Devil led them down to Hell through the passage of the Ice Wall.
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Do you do drugs dino? I mean I drink so I'm would not be any better, but damn man you have to be on drugs to believe that.
The icey cliffs are the coastline of antarctica. Beyound antarctica is just more of eartj. You can easily navigate around antarctica and get to any of the plaves near it.
What saddens me most is tjt none of you have been anywhere near antarctica let alone 3 nm off shorw yet you all just believe some wall circles the earth and some of you do not believe antarctica is a continent.
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Ski,
"I don't think anyone thinks a 150' wall of ice is holding back all of the world's oceans. So I'm not sure what the issue is.
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Why does the FAQ say : A: There is a vast "ice wall" that keeps the water where it is.
its a little sad that moderators don't read the FAQ.
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Where did you get this crazy, messed up, psychotic, theory about Adam and Eve being dinosaurs?
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Where did you get this crazy, messed up, psychotic, theory about Adam and Eve being dinosaurs?
You have a better theory? Let's hear it.
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Dino is like a more hardcore hoppy.
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Dino is like a more hardcore hoppy.
Like a less hardcore levee?
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is the edge being guarded?
I am beaming this message only to you as I know we can trust you.
We guard the wall 24 hours a day, unless there is something really really good on tv
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I agree, if the "ice wall" has no purpose, why is it in the FAQ?
Why does the FAQ say : A: There is a vast "ice wall" that keeps the water where it is.
when no one believes this?
It's mostly the undersea lands of Antarcica which keep the water where it is. The Ice Wall is only above sea level at the Antarctic coast.
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I agree, sounds like we need to change the FAQ.
How do we do this?
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I agree, sounds like we need to change the FAQ.
And/or, update the wiki.
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Slowly updating the FAQ would be a good plan. We've learned much and much more since that was written.
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so how does the FAQ get changed, or is it locked in stone, like the christian bible?