The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth General => Topic started by: gnnmsf on September 20, 2011, 08:44:29 AM
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So not too long ago, Guy Laliberté, founder of Cirque du Soleil, paid himself a trip to space, and directed a show from there as part of an effort for water problem awareness (the One Drop foundation).
Are you guys saying he's in on the conspiracy too???
He's a simple civilian with ZERO interest in your supposed conspiracy...
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Furthermore, and to get to the core of the issue, WHY would there even be a conspiracy? WHAT would be the purpose of telling everyone that the Earth is round? HOW does that benefit anybody!?
And on that note, if some government body decided it was an important enough issue to invest literally billions of dollars into, WHY WOULD THEY ALLOW THE INFORMATION TO BE PASSED AROUND ON THE INTERNET! THE INTERNET WOULDN'T EXIST IF THEY WERE SO PARANOID ABOUT PEOPLE KNOWING THAT THE EARTH IS ROUND.
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So not too long ago, Guy Laliberté, founder of Cirque du Soleil, paid himself a trip to space, and directed a show from there as part of an effort for water problem awareness (the One Drop foundation).
Are you guys saying he's in on the conspiracy too???
He's a simple civilian with ZERO interest in your supposed conspiracy...
One man who is not a member of a Satanic Space Agency has supposedly gone into space. Fantastic evidence. You REers really are getting desperate.
I know for a fact that this man is a member of the conspiracy, or at least has been brainwashed or deceived by them. Why? Because he claims to have gone into space...
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One man who is not a member of a Satanic Space Agency has supposedly gone into space. Fantastic evidence. You REers really are getting desperate.
I know for a fact that this man is a member of the conspiracy, or at least has been brainwashed or deceived by them. Why? Because he claims to have gone into space...
WHAT CONSPIRACY?! WHY DOES IT EVEN EXIST!? WHO DOES IT SERVE!?
Wanna talk about getting desperate? Give me the answer to those questions.
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One man who is not a member of a Satanic Space Agency has supposedly gone into space. Fantastic evidence. You REers really are getting desperate.
I know for a fact that this man is a member of the conspiracy, or at least has been brainwashed or deceived by them. Why? Because he claims to have gone into space...
WHAT CONSPIRACY?! WHY DOES IT EVEN EXIST!? WHO DOES IT SERVE!?
Wanna talk about getting desperate? Give me the answer to those questions.
It's mainly run by NASA and other Satanic Space Agencies. One can only speculate about their goals, but it has been suggested that they are profiting by keeping the funds given to them for a space program that does not exist, or are hiding some form of power source provided by the acceleration of the earth through space.
Lurk moar, and you might have found the answers to those questions without resorting to angry, incoherent ranting.
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If it was indeed incoherent, you would not have been able to reply.
I just can't wrap my head around the sheer idiocy of the claim that space agencies are "satanic" and that there is serious profit to be had, and that they've been lying to us for roughly 800 years about the shape of the Earth.
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So not too long ago, Guy Laliberté, founder of Cirque du Soleil, paid himself a trip to space, and directed a show from there as part of an effort for water problem awareness (the One Drop foundation).
Are you guys saying he's in on the conspiracy too???
He's a simple civilian with ZERO interest in your supposed conspiracy...
One man who is not a member of a Satanic Space Agency has supposedly gone into space. Fantastic evidence. You REers really are getting desperate.
I know for a fact that this man is a member of the conspiracy, or at least has been brainwashed or deceived by them. Why? Because he claims to have gone into space...
Oh dear....
Are you serious?????
this is unbelievable...
Alright so tell me....WHAT evidence exactly would you need to be convinced??? You have dismissed photos, videos, scientific facts, studies, common sense, and now civilian witnesses....Basically EVERY POSSIBLE PROOF out there, you have refused to acknowledge, giving as a reason that Nasa is Satanic??????
Geeze this is so ridiculous....
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Hey guess wat your all wrong space flight is possible and I can prove it. Just take a big laser shine it at the moon and see the giant reflectors we put there and you'll see we have gone to the moon and the earth is round.
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NASA would stand to make a lot of money from lying. Think about it: they get to keep all of the money that they're given as a budget if they fake the stuff. Get-rich-quick-scheme? Hell yes to the max.
They don't have to be Satanic, that's just James' paranoid ranting. Take everything he says with many, many grains of salt. Perhaps keep a saltshaker around when you read his stuff, actually.
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NASA would stand to make a lot of money from lying. Think about it: they get to keep all of the money that they're given as a budget if they fake the stuff. Get-rich-quick-scheme? Hell yes to the max.
They don't have to be Satanic, that's just James' paranoid ranting. Take everything he says with many, many grains of salt. Perhaps keep a saltshaker around when you read his stuff, actually.
In order to maintain the conspiracy, pay off people, and create new technologies to deceive the public, NASA would have to spend MANY times its annual budget. In the long run, it'd actually be cheaper for them NOT to lie.
People here tell me to read EnaG to learn about FET, my advice to you is to read the works of Aristotle and Archimedes. They proves the Earth was round a LONG time before NASA was created.
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Aristotle and Archimedes simply inherited the flawed Pythagorean cosmology of their mentors.
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You demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature - we as a species are compelled to understand that which we currently do not. Thus, what exists outside of our planet is of greater mystery and intrigue than any vast sum of money. I, for one, would happily be involved in a space-faring program. I would rather help discover a planet, or something world-changing like "the Earth is spherical", than lie to the entire world and make some money.
Also, you fail to understand that there are organizations other than NASA that explore the outer boundaries of Earth. Virtually every country that contributes to the global market has some investment in a space program.
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Aristotle and Archimedes simply inherited the flawed Pythagorean cosmology of their mentors.
They did experiments that proved the Earth is round, their results have absolutely nothing to do with what they were taught. On this website FEers tell us to not simply accept what people say as truth, but to investigate it ourselves. How is what Aristotle and Archimedes did any different? They questioned the idea that the Earth was round, and through experimentation of their own, they concluded that the Earth is in fact round.
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Neither conducted any experiments on rotundity. They simply inherited the Pythagorean cosmology. The closest thing to an experiment was the observation of different constellation in the southern hemiplane or the observation of an eclipse which they both assumed was caused by the shadow of the earth.
Believing the earth to be round because a sphere is the "perfect shape" is not science. It's numerology and mythology, not science. I highly recommend the works of Walter Burkert if you would like to learn more about this.
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It's mainly run by NASA and other Satanic Space Agencies. One can only speculate about their goals, but it has been suggested that they are profiting by keeping the funds given to them for a space program that does not exist, or are hiding some form of power source provided by the acceleration of the earth through space.
This is of course where a big part of the FET falls apart. A Theory must stand on it's own to be valid. When a conspiracy is necessary to cement the theory together or to try to exclude facts that not only counter the theory but can completely devastate it, then the theory fails.
You do realize they could have told the people the world is flat and still raked in tons of money making fake space flights don't you? In fact it is counter productive, monetarily to hide something like the shape of the world as they would spend a great amount of their money doing so.
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This Cirque de Soleil guy was just tricked. Everyone before NASA was just wrong. NASA does it to cover up the moon landing hoax, and also money.
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Believing the earth to be round because a sphere is the "perfect shape" is not science. It's numerology and mythology, not science.
I really don't think one who believes the world is flat should be talking about what is and is not science.
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Believing the earth to be round because a sphere is the "perfect shape" is not science. It's numerology and mythology, not science.
I really don't think one who believes the world is flat should be talking about what is and is not science.
Ski is on track here. The Ancient Greeks believed that the earth was round because a sphere was the "perfect shape" and other gut feelings. The educational system portrays the Ancient Greeks as if they were an infallible civilization thousands of years ahead of their time. Aristotle is usually portrayed as a genius in many fields.
It's usually not mentioned that Aristotle also went around telling people that flies spontaneously generated from rotting meat and men had a different number of teeth than women.
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The Ancient Greeks believed that the earth was round because a sphere was the "perfect shape" and other gut feelings.
Well, that and real world observations that didn't make sense in a flat earth environment.
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The Ancient Greeks believed that the earth was round because a sphere was the "perfect shape" and other gut feelings.
Well, that and real world observations that didn't make sense in a flat earth environment.
In his "The History of Animals" book series Aristotle describes how frogs and news are born by spontaneously generating into existence from mud.
And you expect us to take him as a credible source?
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About as credible as a 150 year old book based on pseudoscience and the bible.
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About as credible as a 150 year old book based on pseudoscience and the bible.
Incorrect. Earth Not a Globe is based on neither.
A good bulk of Earth Not a Globe is about why Aristotle and the Ancient Greeks were mistaken, and why the Victorian civilization was wrong to look up to them and adopt their theories. People have a hard time letting go of popular opinion. This is why the belief in witchcraft persisted into the 17th century and why up until the 50's doctors were telling us that smoking was perfectly fine. People will follow media hype like dogs to the whistle.
Earth Not a Globe is required reading if you are interested in Flat Earth Theory.
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Believing the earth to be round because a sphere is the "perfect shape" is not science. It's numerology and mythology, not science.
I really don't think one who believes the world is flat should be talking about what is and is not science.
Ski is on track here. The Ancient Greeks believed that the earth was round because a sphere was the "perfect shape" and other gut feelings. The educational system portrays the Ancient Greeks as if they were an infallible civilization thousands of years ahead of their time. Aristotle is usually portrayed as a genius in many fields.
It's usually not mentioned that Aristotle also went around telling people that flies spontaneously generated from rotting meat and men had a different number of teeth than women.
Russelian vortex science Guys... look into it. a Torus (spherical donut twin vortex) is the universes manifestation of a sustainable spherical motion. i.e The flat earth can be existing within a "Perfectly" spherical energy field of which is beyond site. The material world is full of non-perfectly-symmetric manifestations
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Believing the earth to be round because a sphere is the "perfect shape" is not science. It's numerology and mythology, not science.
I really don't think one who believes the world is flat should be talking about what is and is not science.
It's self evident to anyone familiar with the material. Dr. Burkert, too, calls Pythagorean cosmology, "mythology in scientific clothing" (Lore and Science in Ancient Pythagoreanism). Their beliefs were based on theories of symmetry and numerology, not on observation. Modern scholarship has done great service in deconstructing the pedestal constructed for "science" in ancient Greece.
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The Ancient Greeks believed that the earth was round because a sphere was the "perfect shape" and other gut feelings.
Well, that and real world observations that didn't make sense in a flat earth environment.
In his "The History of Animals" book series Aristotle describes how frogs and news are born by spontaneously generating into existence from mud.
And you expect us to take him as a credible source?
Do you expect us to take you as a credible source? The things you've said over the course of mere weeks is just profoundly disturbing...
And I'm going to assume that if the Ancients that first delved into the idea that the world is round for reasons that were unscientific, I guess they're wrong, and many scientists today are just following their lead because they can't think for themselves.
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So not too long ago, Guy Laliberté, founder of Cirque du Soleil, paid himself a trip to space, and directed a show from there as part of an effort for water problem awareness (the One Drop foundation).
Are you guys saying he's in on the conspiracy too???
He's a simple civilian with ZERO interest in your supposed conspiracy...
One man who is not a member of a Satanic Space Agency has supposedly gone into space. Fantastic evidence. You REers really are getting desperate.
I know for a fact that this man is a member of the conspiracy, or at least has been brainwashed or deceived by them. Why? Because he claims to have gone into space...
Oh dear....
Are you serious?????
this is unbelievable...
Alright so tell me....WHAT evidence exactly would you need to be convinced??? You have dismissed photos, videos, scientific facts, studies, common sense, and now civilian witnesses....Basically EVERY POSSIBLE PROOF out there, you have refused to acknowledge, giving as a reason that Nasa is Satanic??????
Geeze this is so ridiculous....
(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1859/nasalogo.gif)
Convinced now?
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Are you god damn serious? You used paint to draw lines on top of other lines to make a horrible pentagram, which isn't even a satanic symbol? Like most things Christian, that symbol was borrowed from Paganism.
I hope you don't have children.
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Are you god damn serious?
Yes.
You used paint to draw lines on top of other lines to make a horrible pentagram, which isn't even a satanic symbol?
Yes it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigil_of_Baphomet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigil_of_Baphomet)
And I have more:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Roscosmos_logo_ru.svg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/Jaxa_logo.svg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/be/CNSA.svg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Indian_Space_Research_Organisation_Logo.svg)
Notice a pattern? These are all logos of space agencies, and all of them have a pentagram or a section of a pentagram hidden in there somewhere.
Coincidence? I think not.
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The Ancient Greeks believed that the earth was round because a sphere was the "perfect shape" and other gut feelings.
Well, that and real world observations that didn't make sense in a flat earth environment.
In his "The History of Animals" book series Aristotle describes how frogs and news are born by spontaneously generating into existence from mud.
And you expect us to take him as a credible source?
Irrelevant. It can be confirmed that the sun rises very nearly due east and sets very nearly due west just about anywhere you are on earth on the days of the equinox regardless of what Aristotle says about frogs. In fact, you will have an opportunity to see this for yourself in two days.
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Are you god damn serious?
You used paint to draw lines on top of other lines to make a horrible pentagram, which isn't even a satanic symbol?
Yes it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigil_of_Baphomet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigil_of_Baphomet)
And I have more:
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Notice a pattern? These are all logos of space agencies, and all of them have a pentagram or a section of a pentagram hidden in there somewhere.
Coincidence? I think not.
An inverted pentagram (Sigil of Baphomet) has a different symbolic meaning than a normal pentagram. Please do not confuse the two. Also, a pentagram is a hollow star. Filled in stars have even different symbolic meanings. Please stop spreading misinformation. It's intellectually dishonest and doesn't help your case.
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And I have more:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Roscosmos_logo_ru.svg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/Jaxa_logo.svg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/be/CNSA.svg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Indian_Space_Research_Organisation_Logo.svg)
Notice a pattern? These are all logos of space agencies, and all of them have a pentagram or a section of a pentagram hidden in there somewhere.
Coincidence? I think not.
And here I was thinking they represented space shuttles, because you know... space agency? But clearly yours makes more sense.
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And here I was thinking they represented space shuttles, because you know... space agency? But clearly yours makes more sense.
You're saying that this
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Roscosmos_logo_ru.svg)
looks like this?
(http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/012/cache/space-shuttle-atlantis_1223_600x450.jpg)
Also, NASA is the only space agency to have used (read: faked) space shuttles, and they're not even using them any more.
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not coincidence ofcourse...
making logos is deliberatly there's meaning..
stars logo actually simbol of satan for soft sense/meaning..to deceive people
but stars actually if reversed it is lucifer/baphomet sign...
you can see stars sign on everywhere includes on u.s.a flag
that's for respectful to lucifer/baphomet
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Couldn't they be using the star symbol because they are a space agency and space is full of stars? Makes more sense to me than a satanic plot.
I think star trek was the first ones to use the inverted V symbol anyway. Maybe Captain Kirk is part of the conspiracy.
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Couldn't they be using the star symbol because they are a space agency and space is full of stars? Makes more sense to me than a satanic plot.
I think star trek was the first ones to use the inverted V symbol anyway. Maybe Captain Kirk is part of the conspiracy.
No, you can see on usa flag no related to full of stars
you can see on anything on party flag in most country there is no related to full of stars on the sky...
you can see obelisk in washington dc
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_bOYdXWbsX9c/TMs-4X7d9YI/AAAAAAAAA0I/c0dqqBF89F8/s1600/obelisk3washington+dc.jpg)
what is that...?
that for continuing pharaouh tradition...
monument like that (obelisk) is exist almost on all country
that is why in mekah pilgrim haj moslem ordered to throwing stone to that obelisk (symbol of the reign of Pharaoh in ancient times)
(http://suaramerdeka.com/foto_aktual/7a70678a2c73b92238e14d5dba6672da.jpg)
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Couldn't they be using the star symbol because they are a space agency and space is full of stars? Makes more sense to me than a satanic plot.
It makes me wonder why we use this:
(http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq212/mabutimb/star.jpg)
to resemble something that actually looks like this:
(http://dougal.union.ic.ac.uk/media/iscience/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/sun.jpg)
Why do we use a satanic symbol as an icon for a celestial body? I think that NASA brainwashing could account for this.
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You are right. Some countries use stars on their flag. Others have a moon on their flag. And still others have a sun on the flag. What does this mean other than people are fascinated with the sky?
Some people say that stars are satanic. Others say that star symbols are good luck. Some people even say that the swastika is a good symbol, but others disagree. I don't think it is fare to say that a country's government is satanic because they have stars on their flag.
Obelisks have been around in one form or another for a long time. Some people say this is a phallic symbol. A symbol of man and mankind. It has been around much longer that the era of the pharaohs.
The reason we use a pointed star is because that more closely resembles the way stars look to the eye. They do not appear to be round, but have points caused by light hitting the atmosphere.
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It makes me wonder why we use this:
Probably because all other stars don't seem to be round when you watch the night sky, especially not those that seem to spark. So, a PENTAGRAM :) resembles to a sparking thing more than a round object :)
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And here I was thinking they represented space shuttles, because you know... space agency? But clearly yours makes more sense.
You're saying that this
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Roscosmos_logo_ru.svg)
looks like this?
(http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/012/cache/space-shuttle-atlantis_1223_600x450.jpg)
Yes I'm totally saying that. Can't you see it? It's possibly the most simplistic picture of a space shuttle that can be made.
Couldn't they be using the star symbol because they are a space agency and space is full of stars? Makes more sense to me than a satanic plot.
It makes me wonder why we use this:
(http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq212/mabutimb/star.jpg)
to resemble something that actually looks like this:
(http://dougal.union.ic.ac.uk/media/iscience/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/sun.jpg)
Why do we use a satanic symbol as an icon for a celestial body? I think that NASA brainwashing could account for this.
You are so in over your head. Stars twinkle, therefore the star picture.
But the star symbol is satanic - therefore stars are satanic - and NASA is going into space - hence towards the stars - hence NASA is satanic.
You have to stop being so paranoid and making such stupid leaps of faith in your logic. It's as though coincidence doesn't exist in your world of delusion.
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Lying is satanic, NASA lies about sending men to the moon.
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But the star symbol is satanic - therefore stars are satanic - and NASA is going pretending to go into space - hence towards the stars - hence NASA is satanic.
Makes sense to me.
Stars twinkle, therefore the star picture.
Probably because all other stars don't seem to be round when you watch the night sky, especially not those that seem to spark. So, a PENTAGRAM :) resembles to a sparking thing more than a round object :)
The reason we use a pointed star is because that more closely resembles the way stars look to the eye. They do not appear to be round, but have points caused by light hitting the atmosphere.
I'd like you to go outside tonight and photograph some of these five-pointed stars that you all claim to have seen, because I have never witnessed this phenomenon.
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I suppose the song Twinkle Twinkle Little Star was composed by NASA to fool us into believing that start twinkle, right?
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I suppose the song Twinkle Twinkle Little Star was composed by NASA to fool us into believing that start twinkle, right?
Childhood is the ideal time for The Conspiracy to implement their Satanic programming.
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I suppose the song Twinkle Twinkle Little Star was composed by NASA to fool us into believing that start twinkle, right?
Childhood is the ideal time for The Conspiracy to implement their Satanic programming.
Yes. everybody can see child program like teletubies...
there 4 simbol above 4 head
1. simbolism of lesbian
2. simbolism of phalus or obelisk
3. simbolism of woman genital
4. simbolism of sex
that's very destruct for children. so children is easy to become lesbian or homo and other destruction that only conspiracy knows.
conspiracy is pagan, luciferian, and talmudian.
having many God. like osiris, Ra, Horus, yhweh, baphoment, lucifer
conspiracy have been exist since the Nimrods.
one of the goal conspiracy is to eliminate religion.
so if someone become atheist, conspiracy is happy and succed in mislead human kind.
You can see EU Parlement very similar to tower of babel
(http://notmisterjeckyll.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/tower-painting-parliament.jpg)
that's to continuing nimrods tradition, "Tower of babel"
Coincidence, ofcourse not
conspiracy is pagan, believe magic, having God (many God)
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I suppose the song Twinkle Twinkle Little Star was composed by NASA to fool us into believing that start twinkle, right?
Childhood is the ideal time for The Conspiracy to implement their Satanic programming.
Yes. everybody can see child program like teletubies...
there 4 simbol above 4 head
1. simbolism of lesbian
2. simbolism of phalus or obelisk
3. simbolism of woman genital
4. simbolism of sex
that's very destruct for children. so children is easy to become lesbian or homo and other destruction that only conspiracy knows.
conspiracy is pagan, luciferian, and talmudian.
having many God. like osiris, Ra, Horus, yhweh, baphoment, lucifer
conspiracy have been exist since the Nimrods.
one of the goal conspiracy is to eliminate religion.
so if someone become atheist, conspiracy is happy and succed in mislead human kind.
You can see EU Parlement very similar to tower of babel
(http://notmisterjeckyll.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/tower-painting-parliament.jpg)
that's to continuing nimrods tradition, "Tower of babel"
Coincidence, ofcourse not
conspiracy is pagan, believe magic, having God (many God)
I have put your wise words in my signature, brother.
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I suppose the song Twinkle Twinkle Little Star was composed by NASA to fool us into believing that start twinkle, right?
Childhood is the ideal time for The Conspiracy to implement their Satanic programming.
Yes. everybody can see child program like teletubies...
there 4 simbol above 4 head
1. simbolism of lesbian
2. simbolism of phalus or obelisk
3. simbolism of woman genital
4. simbolism of sex
that's very destruct for children. so children is easy to become lesbian or homo and other destruction that only conspiracy knows.
I'm afraid you don't understand how symbols work. A symbol only has the meaning we give it, it doesn't have an intrinsic value or meaning by itself. If you're suggesting that just by seeing a shape on the someone's head, it will use its magic powers to turn you gay, then you are beyond help, mine or the conspiracy's.
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Dammit! Lord Xenu beat me to it.
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Can someone tell me what the teletubies have to do with the theories that the earth is flat or round?
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Haha, why on earth would NASA make a conspiracy on that scale to earn money? It doesn't make any sense.
Besides, old Greece philosophers and scientists were amongst the first, who discovered the round Earth, the "conspiracy" has nothing to do with NASA. There are lots of other space agencies in the world too.
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Haha, why on earth would NASA make a conspiracy on that scale to earn money? It doesn't make any sense.
Besides, old Greece philosophers and scientists were amongst the first, who discovered the round Earth, the "conspiracy" has nothing to do with NASA. There are lots of other space agencies in the world too.
See earlier in the thread where I provided evidence that multiple space agencies are involved in The Conspiracy.
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You did not really provide evidence. You showed that many space agencies appear to use a common geographic shape, a star or part of a star, to mean that all of the agencies are in a conspiracy together. That is not evidence and would not hold up in a court of law. Especially since space has, well, stars in it. They could have also used a moon or sun, but that would portray a more centralized focus on our own solar system. Stars, however, show that their ultimate objectives are much farther away than our solar system.
Do you still call that post evidence?
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You showed that many space agencies appear to use a common geographic shape
Where is this pentagram-shaped country?
That is not evidence and would not hold up in a court of law.
Unfortunately you're right, since The Conspiracy controls many of the world's legal systems.
Especially since space has, well, stars in it.
We've already gone over this. A pentagram looks nothing like an orb. It is simply a satanic logo, not an inaccurate representation of a celestial body that requires a far-fetched explanation to account for it.
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I say again, do you still call that post evidence?
I say it is not evidence, but conjecture. I'll help you with that word so you do not have to spend a lot of time trying to figure out what it means.
con·jec·ture
[kuhn-jek-cher] noun, verb, -tured, -tur·ing.
noun
1.
the formation or expression of an opinion or theory without sufficient evidence for proof.
2.
an opinion or theory so formed or expressed; guess; speculation.
3.
Obsolete. the interpretation of signs or omens.
verb (used with object)
4.
to conclude or suppose from grounds or evidence insufficient to ensure reliability.
5.
to form conjectures.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conjecture (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conjecture)
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I say again, do you still call that post evidence?
I say it is not evidence, but conjecture. I'll help you with that word so you do not have to spend a lot of time trying to figure out what it means.
con·jec·ture
[kuhn-jek-cher] noun, verb, -tured, -tur·ing.
noun
1.
the formation or expression of an opinion or theory without sufficient evidence for proof.
2.
an opinion or theory so formed or expressed; guess; speculation.
3.
Obsolete. the interpretation of signs or omens.
verb (used with object)
4.
to conclude or suppose from grounds or evidence insufficient to ensure reliability.
5.
to form conjectures.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conjecture (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conjecture)
Failing to counter my points and posting a baseless ad hominem argument just means you've lost.
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I say again, do you still call that post evidence?
I say it is not evidence, but conjecture. I'll help you with that word so you do not have to spend a lot of time trying to figure out what it means.
con·jec·ture
[kuhn-jek-cher] noun, verb, -tured, -tur·ing.
noun
1.
the formation or expression of an opinion or theory without sufficient evidence for proof.
2.
an opinion or theory so formed or expressed; guess; speculation.
3.
Obsolete. the interpretation of signs or omens.
verb (used with object)
4.
to conclude or suppose from grounds or evidence insufficient to ensure reliability.
5.
to form conjectures.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conjecture (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conjecture)
Failing to counter my points and posting a baseless ad hominem argument just means you've lost.
No, you do not seem to focus, so I am going to have to debate them with you one at a time.
Now, could you please answer the question? Do you still say that your post with all of the space agency symbols on it is evidence?
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I say again, do you still call that post evidence?
I say it is not evidence, but conjecture. I'll help you with that word so you do not have to spend a lot of time trying to figure out what it means.
con·jec·ture
[kuhn-jek-cher] noun, verb, -tured, -tur·ing.
noun
1.
the formation or expression of an opinion or theory without sufficient evidence for proof.
2.
an opinion or theory so formed or expressed; guess; speculation.
3.
Obsolete. the interpretation of signs or omens.
verb (used with object)
4.
to conclude or suppose from grounds or evidence insufficient to ensure reliability.
5.
to form conjectures.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conjecture (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conjecture)
Failing to counter my points and posting a baseless ad hominem argument just means you've lost.
No, you do not seem to focus, so I am going to have to debate them with you one at a time.
Failing to counter my points and posting a baseless ad hominem argument just means you've lost.
Do you still say that your post with all of the space agency symbols on it is evidence?
Yep.
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What part of the definition I provided does not make sense to you?
You see something and draw a conclusion with out proof. It appears this way, therefore it must be true. I don't need evidence, I am a zetetic scientist.
Now, if you actually have evidence, not speculation about the reason that some of the space agencies have similar symbols, then please share it. Otherwise, it is just conjecture.
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What part of the definition I provided does not make sense to you?
You see something and draw a conclusion with out proof. It appears this way, therefore it must be true. I don't need evidence, I am a zetetic scientist.
Now, if you actually have evidence, not speculation about the reason that some of the space agencies have similar symbols, then please share it. Otherwise, it is just conjecture.
There is no such thing as absolute proof; one can only make an educated guess based on the evidence available. I see many space agencies around the world consciously filling their logos with satanic iconography - I conclude that they are satanists. What could be simpler than that?
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See earlier in the thread where I provided evidence that multiple space agencies are involved in The Conspiracy.
Space agencies have nothing to do with the "conspiracy". The "conspiracy" or "round earth" was proposed by independent ancient researchers across the world long before governments or space agencies existed.
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See earlier in the thread where I provided evidence that multiple space agencies are involved in The Conspiracy.
Space agencies have nothing to do with the "conspiracy". The "conspiracy" or "round earth" was proposed by independent ancient researchers across the world long before governments or space agencies existed.
Round Earth theories and the Conspiracy are not the same thing.
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I did not ask for absolute proof, I was asking for any proof other than your opinion. You showed me the symbols and said you believe that they show that the space agencies are in a conspiracy. I looked at the symbols and told you I believe that it makes sense for all of them to have that similar shape. You claim the pentagram is satanic, I believe that satanic people do use the symbol, but that others who are not satanic also use the symbol. Also, most of the space agencies use an inverted V, not a pentagram. This is only two of the five lines needed to make a pentagram. This symbol was even used in Star Trek, which I am sure influenced its use with the space agencies.
Anyway, let's move on.
Quote from: jroa on Today at 05:37:09 AM
You showed that many space agencies appear to use a common geographic shape
Where is this pentagram-shaped country?
Ok, I made a typo. I am sure that you have made them in the past. You know from the context of the post that I meant geometric, not geographic. That does not take away from the meaning of the post, though. An inverted V is very common. Soldiers us it to display rank. It is a letter in the Greek alphabet. Scientists use it as a unit of measure for wavelength.
It could be a geographic symbol, since some mountains appear to have this shape when viewed from far away.
I can't believe that you can take a common symbol, say it represents a pentagram, then say that the pentagram proves that the people using the symbol are satanic, and deny you are jumping to conclusions.
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I did not ask for absolute proof, I was asking for any proof other than your opinion. You showed me the symbols and said you believe that they show that the space agencies are in a conspiracy. I looked at the symbols and told you I believe that it makes sense for all of them to have that similar shape. You claim the pentagram is satanic, I believe that satanic people do use the symbol, but that others who are not satanic also use the symbol. Also, most of the space agencies use an inverted V, not a pentagram. This is only two of the five lines needed to make a pentagram. This symbol was even used in Star Trek, which I am sure influenced its use with the space agencies.
Anyway, let's move on.
Ok, I made a typo. I am sure that you have made them in the past. You know from the context of the post that I meant geometric, not geographic. That does not take away from the meaning of the post, though. An inverted V is very common. Soldiers us it to display rank. It is a letter in the Greek alphabet. Scientists use it as a unit of measure for wavelength.
It could be a geographic symbol, since some mountains appear to have this shape when viewed from far away.
I can't believe that you can take a common symbol, say it represents a pentagram, then say that the pentagram proves that the people using the symbol are satanic, and deny you are jumping to conclusions.
I did not jump to conclusions. It's more like I jumped and then the conclusion accelerated towards my feet at many billions of miles an hour.
Your argument is full of holes. The symbol involved in the majority of the space agency logos is not a V, and nor is it a chevron, the symbol I believe you are referring to when you say "soldiers use it to display rank". In fact, it is two Vs joined at a common point. This symbol does not just contain two lines of a pentagram, but two whole lines and two partial ones. They have avoided explicitly showing satanic imagery, but have included enough lines to allow the easy construction of a full pentagram by extending them. Thus they pay their respects to the devil.
The explanations that you have offered for the inclusion of what you call the "V symbol" in these logos do not make sense. They do not align with what is ostensibly the purpose of these organisations - to go into space. What do mountains and the Greek alphabet have to do with space travel?
I imagine that you will claim "It looks like a space shuttle" or "It looks like a rocket", but the symbol has little in common with either of those things. Space shuttles have flat sections on the back of their wings, and a fuselage, elements not included in the symbol. Anyway, NASA were the only organisation to use those. And rockets look nothing like that shape - rather than having wings, they appear like a "perverse phallus of iron" as I believe James has described them.
The burden of proof is on you to explain these symbols within a Round Earth context, since so far a hidden pentagram appears to be the only reasonable explanation.
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Here is the same NASA picture you posted. Were exactly are the two Vs?
(http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/256357main_Symbols1-xltn.jpg)
Here is the official explanation of the NASA symbol, along with a link to the website that I got if from.
http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/5-8/features/symbols-of-nasa.html (http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/5-8/features/symbols-of-nasa.html)
The round red, white and blue insignia, nicknamed the "meatball," was designed by employee James Modarelli in 1959, NASA's second year. The design incorporates references to different aspects of the mission of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. The round shape of the insignia represents a planet. The stars represent space. The red v-shaped vector represents aeronautics. The circular orbit around the agency's name represents space travel.
but two whole lines and two partial ones
How can you have partial lines? Either it is a line or not. That is like saying that you have dug half of a hole. It is still a hole.
I gave the examples of other inverted Vs because the symbol is everywhere. The roof on my house is in the shape of an inverted V. Does that mean I am a satanist? Is everyone in my town a satanist? I don't believe it represents a partial pentagram.
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The round red, white and blue insignia, nicknamed the "meatball," was designed by employee James Modarelli in 1959, NASA's second year. The design incorporates references to different aspects of the mission of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. The round shape of the insignia represents a planet. The stars represent space. The red v-shaped vector represents aeronautics. The circular orbit around the agency's name represents space travel.
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You're taking a quote from an employee of a satanic conspiracy as evidence? ???
Were exactly are the two Vs?
How can you have partial lines? Either it is a line or not. That is like saying that you have dug half of a hole. It is still a hole.
Now you're just feigning ignorance, but I'll humour you and even post a lovely diagram:
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3774/0ba3662b1563171992de0e0.png)
The white and black lines are the two Vs. The yellow is a continuation of the partial lines of the hidden pentagram in the image.
I gave the examples of other inverted Vs because the symbol is everywhere. The roof on my house is in the shape of an inverted V. Does that mean I am a satanist? Is everyone in my town a satanist? I don't believe it represents a partial pentagram.
A. As I have stated, it is not a V but a symbol composed of two Vs, and
B. Your analogy does not make sense. V-shaped roofs evolved as a system to keep off rainwater, but space agencies had complete freedom to include a design of any shape in their logos. Why is this particular symbol prevalent?
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I gave the examples of other inverted Vs because the symbol is everywhere. The roof on my house is in the shape of an inverted V. Does that mean I am a satanist? Is everyone in my town a satanist? I don't believe it represents a partial pentagram.
the roof is not logos/symbol. distinguish it...
conspiracies have been exist since Nimrod and/or Pharaouh Era. so it was before aristoteles have been exist.
You can search for "leo zagamy" who break all conspiracy, before he was one of the conspiracy until 33 degree, but now he doesn't. he has illuminaty bloodline aristocrat.
he cannot be killed because he has bloodline even he converts to Islam.
ahmadinejas. iran president is satanist according to leo zagamy. he is only pretending to become a good man for moslem.
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All you have proven is that you can take a basic shape, add lines, and make it resemble a pentagram. I guess the power company is in on the conspiracy too.
(http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx38/jorroa5990/telephonepole.jpg)
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All you have proven is that you can take a basic shape, add lines, and make it resemble a pentagram. I guess the power company is in on the conspiracy too.
(http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx38/jorroa5990/telephonepole.jpg)
I don't think I need to tell you how ridiculous that argument is. You've already lost.
Another win for FE!
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All you have proven is that you can take a basic shape, add lines, and make it resemble a pentagram. I guess the power company is in on the conspiracy too.
(http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx38/jorroa5990/telephonepole.jpg)
I don't think I need to tell you how ridiculous that argument is. You've already lost.
Another win for FE!
So, let me get this straight. Flat earth believers are allowed to add lines to pictures, but round earth believers are not and this makes them loose? What drugs are you on?
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All you have proven is that you can take a basic shape, add lines, and make it resemble a pentagram. I guess the power company is in on the conspiracy too.
(http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx38/jorroa5990/telephonepole.jpg)
I don't think I need to tell you how ridiculous that argument is. You've already lost.
Another win for FE!
So, let me get this straight. Flat earth believers are allowed to add lines to pictures, but round earth believers are not and this makes them loose? What drugs are you on?
I merely extrapolated an existing symbol. You drew one that had no relation to the picture.
ITT: Xenu pwns noobs.
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This will go back and forth forever. Let's move on. Your next point was.
Quote from: jroa on Today at 05:37:09 AM
That is not evidence and would not hold up in a court of law.
Unfortunately you're right, since The Conspiracy controls many of the world's legal systems.
Now, it is not only the governments, all of the scientists, all of the space agency workers, pilots, the military, and any number of other people that you will add to the conspiracy theory, but also the judges and lawyers? How about school teachers, laborers, police officers? The list is getting quite long. I might as well add my own.
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This will go back and forth forever. Let's move on. Your next point was.
Quote from: jroa on Today at 05:37:09 AM
That is not evidence and would not hold up in a court of law.
Unfortunately you're right, since The Conspiracy controls many of the world's legal systems.
Now, it is not only the governments, all of the scientists, all of the space agency workers, pilots, the military, and any number of other people that you will add to the conspiracy theory, but also the judges and lawyers? How about school teachers, laborers, police officers? The list is getting quite long. I might as well add my own.
It's the biggest and most profitable business on Earth. Is it any surprise that it has many employees?
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Now, it is not only the governments, all of the scientists, all of the space agency workers, pilots, the military, and any number of other people that you will add to the conspiracy theory, but also the judges and lawyers? How about school teachers, laborers, police officers? The list is getting quite long. I might as well add my own.
conspiracy smartly only make the system and entering pioneer
for example make democracy parlementery system, actually democracy is from conspiracy. so conspiracy can easyly control that country...
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It's the biggest and most profitable business on Earth. Is it any surprise that it has many employees?
I have been reading many of the older posts on this forum. Most of them say that only a few people in each country know about the conspiracy. Now, you are saying that a large amount, if not most, of the people in every (supposedly) space traveling nation know about the conspiracy. Which one is it? Do a lot of people know about it, or do a few people know about it?
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It's the biggest and most profitable business on Earth. Is it any surprise that it has many employees?
I have been reading many of the older posts on this forum. Most of them say that only a few people in each country know about the conspiracy. Now, you are saying that a large amount, if not most, of the people in every (supposedly) space traveling nation know about the conspiracy. Which one is it? Do a lot of people know about it, or do a few people know about it?
Knowing about the conspiracy =/= being employed by it. The majority are employed by proxy companies, and are fervent globularists, unaware that they are being brainwashed and deceived and unaware that they are aiding a satanic organisation in hiding the true shape of the Earth.
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It's the biggest and most profitable business on Earth. Is it any surprise that it has many employees?
I have been reading many of the older posts on this forum. Most of them say that only a few people in each country know about the conspiracy. Now, you are saying that a large amount, if not most, of the people in every (supposedly) space traveling nation know about the conspiracy. Which one is it? Do a lot of people know about it, or do a few people know about it?
Knowing about the conspiracy =/= being employed by it. The majority are employed by proxy companies, and are fervent globularists, unaware that they are being brainwashed and deceived and unaware that they are aiding a satanic organisation in hiding the true shape of the Earth.
Once again, do you have a shred of proof, other that a couple of lines in their logos that form an angle? You can't really claim something to be true unless there is something, anything, other than your imagination for us to go by.
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Knowing about the conspiracy =/= being employed by it. The majority are employed by proxy companies, and are fervent globularists, unaware that they are being brainwashed and deceived and unaware that they are aiding a satanic organisation in hiding the true shape of the Earth.
That might be the majority, but there is a minority of thousands of independent scientists that would be able to tell a flat Earth from a round one.
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It's the biggest and most profitable business on Earth. Is it any surprise that it has many employees?
I have been reading many of the older posts on this forum. Most of them say that only a few people in each country know about the conspiracy. Now, you are saying that a large amount, if not most, of the people in every (supposedly) space traveling nation know about the conspiracy. Which one is it? Do a lot of people know about it, or do a few people know about it?
Knowing about the conspiracy =/= being employed by it. The majority are employed by proxy companies, and are fervent globularists, unaware that they are being brainwashed and deceived and unaware that they are aiding a satanic organisation in hiding the true shape of the Earth.
Once again, do you have a shred of proof, other that a couple of lines in their logos that form an angle? You can't really claim something to be true unless there is something, anything, other than your imagination for us to go by.
The Earth is flat.
That might be the majority, but there is a minority of thousands of independent scientists that would be able to tell a flat Earth from a round one.
What I have seen on this forum would suggest otherwise.
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The Earth is flat.
Once again, do you have any proof that will convince me of that?
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The Earth is flat.
Once again, do you have any proof that will convince me of that?
Yes. The Bedford Level Experiment.
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The Earth is flat.
Once again, do you have any proof that will convince me of that?
Yes. The Bedford Level Experiment.
I specifically remember those results were deemed inconclusive.
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The Earth is flat.
Once again, do you have any proof that will convince me of that?
Yes. The Bedford Level Experiment.
I specifically remember those results were deemed inconclusive.
Only by desperate globularists.
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Only by desperate globularists.
So all the factors that were listed that Robowtham didn't account for when conducting his experiments you disagree on. You think Robowtham conducted his experiments flawlessly.
And we're the desperate ones...
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Only by desperate globularists.
So all the factors that were listed that Robowtham didn't account for when conducting his experiments you disagree on. You think Robowtham conducted his experiments flawlessly.
And we're the desperate ones...
I think that RE'ers saw his results, said 'that's impossible!' and came up with some BS reason why he could see farther than was predicted.
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Only by desperate globularists.
So all the factors that were listed that Robowtham didn't account for when conducting his experiments you disagree on. You think Robowtham conducted his experiments flawlessly.
And we're the desperate ones...
I think that RE'ers saw his results, said 'that's impossible!' and came up with some BS reason why he could see farther than was predicted.
I know you said that this is what you believe, but do you have anything that will cause me to believe this?
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I think that RE'ers saw his results, said 'that's impossible!' and came up with some BS reason why he could see farther than was predicted.
And I think that you are just hoping that Robowtham is right, because FE'ers have little as it is in terms of evidence.
What you're saying is a BS reason is such common physical phenomena such as that of light refraction.
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Only by desperate globularists.
So all the factors that were listed that Robowtham didn't account for when conducting his experiments you disagree on. You think Robowtham conducted his experiments flawlessly.
And we're the desperate ones...
I think that RE'ers saw his results, said 'that's impossible!' and came up with some BS reason why he could see farther than was predicted.
So the guy who used pretty sketchy methods in the first place(why the hell would he go in the river and watch a boat?) is right, but EVERYONE ELSE who has ever done something similar is wrong.......okay.