The Flat Earth Society
Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: Areweonfiya on August 31, 2011, 05:38:55 PM
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Just wanted to hear some thoughts on the subject in general.
Are we living in a patriarchial society where women are being oppressed on a daily basis? Are women inferior to males? Are they superior? Intellectually? Physically? Are we equal in all aspects, or in some aspects? Would total equality be a good thing? Are gender roles counter-intuitive and mundane?
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Q. Are men better than women?
A. Yes, they are.
Q. Are men smarter than women?
A. Yes, they are.
Q. I disagree. There are plenty of poor and starving men out in the world.
A. Well, if they were so smart they wouldn't be poor now, would they?
Q. But what about Brittany Spears, surely she is just a dumb blonde who got lucky. How can you say that she is better than anyone else?
A. Brittany Spears spent years of her life training to become a singer and had the wherewithal to get herself to the top. She made the right connections and had the drive to succeed, unlike you.
Q. What about all of the people who were just born men. You can't really say that they are smarter or better than a woman.
A. Yes you can. When parents reproduce they are really just making copies of themselves. Males are made from the successful parts of the parents, women from the bad parts. Male children are a continuation of one's [successful] self
Q. But women don't really have the opportunity to make it. When you are bornfemale it's hard to get out of poverty.
A. That excuse may have worked in the middle ages, but these days there are endless opportunities available. One does not even need to go to college to educate themselves in a field. With the internet and free public libraries it is possible to self educate yourself in fields like technology, law, or business. There are countless self-educated techs and businessmen out there. Abraham Lincoln passed the Bar Exam without ever setting a foot into Law School, after all.
It is also possible to start a business these days without a heavy investment in capital. Internet businesses are regularly run out of bedrooms.
Q. But how can women get themselves out of poverty when they are cooking and cleaning all the time?
A. If you are cooking and cleaning all day and turn on the TV when you get finished then you obviously do not have a drive to succeed. It's your fault that you are poor, clearly.
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Are women inferior to males? Are they superior? Intellectually? Physically? Are we equal in all aspects, or in some aspects? Would total equality be a good thing?
Here, we are equal in our legal rights, but that's as far as it goes.
Being the same is a horrible thing; being equal is not.
Just a few random examples:
-Women are generally physically weaker
-Women generally have worse cardiovascular circulation in their limbs
-Women generally have superior language skills
-Women generally outperform men in fine motor skill
-Women are generally faster and more accurate at identifying emotions
-Men can't carry babies
-Men generally are better at math and geometry
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Are women inferior to males? Are they superior? Intellectually? Physically? Are we equal in all aspects, or in some aspects? Would total equality be a good thing?
Here, we are equal in our legal rights, but that's as far as it goes.
Being the same is a horrible thing; being equal is not.
Just a few random examples:
-Women are generally physically weaker
-Women generally have worse cardiovascular circulation in their limbs
-Women generally have superior language skills
-Women generally outperform men in fine motor skill
-Women are generally faster and more accurate at identifying emotions
-Men can't carry babies
-Men generally are better at math and geometry
Women tend to be found in the kitchen.
Women tend to make sandwhiches.
See guys?
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Are women inferior to males? Are they superior? Intellectually? Physically? Are we equal in all aspects, or in some aspects? Would total equality be a good thing?
Here, we are equal in our legal rights, but that's as far as it goes.
Not really. Divorce laws are generally in favor of women. Only men get drafted in war. Men also have no say in what the mother of the child wants to do.
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Women are waaay easier to kill than men. Also, we make really crummy tuba players and pipers.
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Women are waaay easier to kill than men. Also, we make really crummy tuba players and pipers.
I can partially vouch for this. I knew a female tuba player once and she was dreadful.
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Are women inferior to males? Are they superior? Intellectually? Physically? Are we equal in all aspects, or in some aspects? Would total equality be a good thing?
Here, we are equal in our legal rights, but that's as far as it goes.
Not really. Divorce laws are generally in favor of women. Only men get drafted in war. Men also have no say in what the mother of the child wants to do.
True enough.
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Women are waaay easier to kill than men. Also, we make really crummy tuba players and pipers.
I can partially vouch for this. I knew a female tuba player once and she was dreadful.
I can vouch for the first part. :o
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Also, women are terrible.
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I don't mind feminists as long as they don't mind chauvinists.
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I'd just like for people to be judged on their individual merits, but I guess that is a feminazi pipe dream.
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-Men can't carry babies
Incorrect.
(http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/antikainen/antikainen1003/antikainen100300014/6535664-father-playing-with-little-child-man-holding-baby-underarm-ancient-big-suitcase-in-other-hand-isolat.jpg)
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i've been thinking about this for a while now after an article i read somewhere.
Should men still open doors for women for instance?
Heres my thought - i am actually a very independant person, and will try to tackle most jobs myself, which is just as well, as i've learnt that i can't rely on anyone to help.
But i do struggle with some physical jobs like cutting my hedges. Its not because i'm afriad to get dirty hands or break a fingernail, but the hedges are a foot taller than me, the path is very uneven and the hedge cutter is very heavy. So, although i do get the job done, the hedges do not have the nice even look that i'm wanting.
So, If i ask for help, am i seen as weak, or i'm unwilling to do the job myself?
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Weakling.
J/k.. lots of people hire other people to trim their hedges. Even manly men don't want to trim the hedges.
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I am this forum's white knight. Just thought I would make that clear.
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Saddam, are you offering to trim Crazy's hedges?
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I am this forum's white knight. Just thought I would make that clear.
Then who is the Dark Knight?
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I am this forum's white knight. Just thought I would make that clear.
Then who is the Dark Knight?
I am. I don't care about women's very delicate sensibilities.
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-Men can't carry babies
Incorrect.
(http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/antikainen/antikainen1003/antikainen100300014/6535664-father-playing-with-little-child-man-holding-baby-underarm-ancient-big-suitcase-in-other-hand-isolat.jpg)
Wow. How many babies can you fit in there? He knows.
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Saddam, are you offering to trim Crazy's hedges?
Hey if a girl asks I'll trim her hedges. Bare, runway, heart shaped.
Berny
Hedges was an euphemism for something right?
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So are men better than women?
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So are men better than women?
Define better.
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I'll hold doors open for anyone, but the distance they are away from me for which I will still hold it increases if they are female.
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I'll hold doors open for anyone, but the distance they are away from me for which I will still hold it increases if they are female.
Does their attractiveness affect the equation?
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Should men still open doors for women for instance?
I do this, but not because they're women. I'll hold a door open for anyone who hasn't been a dickhead to me just because it's a nice thing to do.
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It's funny how nice a person can be IRL, but is a fucking douche while online.
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Don't be a bastard to people, respect their personal space and feelings. Apply this to men and women equally.
Call it whatever you want, I'm happy to be called a feminist when it applies to issues concerning women.
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Let's separate the ideas. To most people, feminism now connotes applying unequal opportunity to obtain a so-called equality of outcome. Now me, I just prefer equality of opportunity and equality under the law because if some preference is bestowed on one person, there's another person getting the old shaft and denied his/her/its rights of equality under the law and equality of opportunity; this is self-evident to me. Can't have it both ways and equality of outcome can't be had or even come close without heavy government coercion. Of course, this gives me the label "non-progressive" and I can expect angry pickets in front of my house.
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I'll hold doors open for anyone, but the distance they are away from me for which I will still hold it increases if they are female.
Does their attractiveness affect the equation?
Yes, the distance increases further if they are attractive females.
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Feminism is okay. The extremists are annoying, but are too crazy to get any support for their chauvinistic ideals.
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Let's separate the ideas. To most people, feminism now connotes applying unequal opportunity to obtain a so-called equality of outcome. Now me, I just prefer equality of opportunity and equality under the law because if some preference is bestowed on one person, there's another person getting the old shaft and denied his/her/its rights of equality under the law and equality of opportunity; this is self-evident to me. Can't have it both ways and equality of outcome can't be had or even come close without heavy government coercion. Of course, this gives me the label "non-progressive" and I can expect angry pickets in front of my house.
I agree with this. Discrimination based on actual competence at the thing being discriminated for is entirely acceptable. For example, I don't want to have to work with idiots who I constantly have to clean up after (figuratively speaking) who got the job because they are female/black/disabled/whatever.
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Let's separate the ideas. To most people, feminism now connotes applying unequal opportunity to obtain a so-called equality of outcome.
I suspect the problem is the desire to over compensate in order to achieve desired equality.
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Let's separate the ideas. To most people, feminism now connotes applying unequal opportunity to obtain a so-called equality of outcome.
I suspect the problem is the desire to over compensate in order to achieve desired equality.
Isn't that what I said?
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*D.C. that's Washington for Australians :)
Hey, I know my Geography :(
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I looked. No replies apperared to my post so I deleted what I decided was somewhat bad-mouthing. Thusly I restore it as I see posts passed each other in the ether.
Yes. Give me the job on merit or forget it. Sexism does exist as my girl cousin found out. She graduated med school with high grades and president of the class but got the shaft on her residency choices. She's about crazy now, working in D.C.* and ready to chuck her career. One case though, hard to see a pattern, I realize.
*D.C. that's Washington for Australians
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I looked. No replies apperared to my post so I deleted what I decided was somewhat bad-mouthing. Thusly I restore it as I see posts passed each other in the ether.
Yes. Give me the job on merit or forget it. Sexism does exist as my girl cousin found out. She graduated med school with high grades and president of the class but got the shaft on her residency choices. She's about crazy now, working in D.C.* and ready to chuck her career. One case though, hard to see a pattern, I realize.
*D.C. that's Washington for Australians
How do you know her gender was the issue?
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I don't. She believes it was.
Edit: I should add that she's a surgeon and that category does have the reputation of preferring males. True? probably hard to pin down definitively.
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So are men better than women?
Not at doing the laundry and making dinner.
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So are men better than women?
Not at doing the laundry and making dinner.
http://www.mydearvalentine.com/top-10/chefs-in-the-world.html
The top 10 chefs in the world are all men.
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But who are the top 10 LAUNDERERS in the world, hmm?
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But who are the top 10 LAUNDERERS in the world, hmm?
Got me there
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There is no conclusive evidence that the picture shows a man.
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-Men can't carry babies
Incorrect.
(http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/antikainen/antikainen1003/antikainen100300014/6535664-father-playing-with-little-child-man-holding-baby-underarm-ancient-big-suitcase-in-other-hand-isolat.jpg)
There is no conclusive evidence that the picture shows a man.
Women don't pull their pants up around their armpits.
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Women don't exist.