The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: glennrrglenn on June 28, 2011, 02:33:47 AM
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One of the oldest proofs of the Earth's shape, can be seen from the ground and occurs during every lunar eclipse. The geometry of a lunar eclipse has been known since ancient Greece. When a full Moon occurs in the plane of Earth's orbit, the Moon slowly moves through Earth's shadow. Every time that shadow is seen, its edge is round. Once again, the only solid that always projects a round shadow is a sphere. I see the people here talking about this anti-moon. Where is it? Why can nobody seem to no about it, but you all? Where is your proof that this exists, outside of your imagination?
"The sphericity of the earth is proved by the evidence of … lunar eclipses," Aristotle says. "For whereas in the monthly phases of the moon the segments are of all sorts — straight, gibbous [convex], crescent — in eclipses the dividing line is always rounded. Consequently, if the eclipse is due to the interposition of the earth, the rounded line results from its spherical shape" Of course a frisbee, properly angled, would make a round shadow too. But if the frisbee rotated while the eclipse was in progress, the curvature of its shadow would change. The earth's does not.
The constellations shift relative to the horizon as you move north and south around the globe, something that could only happen if you were standing on a sphere. (You may have to draw a few diagrams to convince yourself of this.) Given sufficient world travel combined with careful observation on your part, the disc hypothesis becomes well-nigh insupportable.
Another simple explanation...
I would also like to hear an explanation on how people have sailed around the world? I really hope you don't dodge these questions, like you have the other's I have seen. I am just interested.
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Welcome to the forum!
I would also like to hear an explanation on how people have sailed around the world? I really hope you don't dodge these questions, like you have the other's I have seen. I am just interested.
If you take a look at a FE map, you'll see that it's a lot easier than sailing around a globe!
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Welcome to the forum!
I would also like to hear an explanation on how people have sailed around the world? I really hope you don't dodge these questions, like you have the other's I have seen. I am just interested.
If you take a look at a FE map, you'll see that it's a lot easier than sailing around a globe!
Including a longitudinal circumnavigation? Also the 'distances' of a south polar circumnavigation is pretty much out of what from what is experienced on the traditional round earth model.
Berny
Beans for lunch
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You mean globular earth, I suppose?
And BTW, who has done longitudinal circumnavigation? Wouldn't there be stuff in the way?
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Okay, let's forget about sailing around the world for a moment. If that's okay. I honestly almost never even brought it up.
How about the other explanations I brought forth.
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You mean globular earth, I suppose?
And BTW, who has done longitudinal circumnavigation? Wouldn't there be stuff in the way?
It's been quoted a few times. BTW there's lots of stuff in the way for an Equatorial circumnavigation as well.
http://www.youtube.com/user/BroadlyBoats#p/u/3/ZY7hbFhli0A
Is one for the first "solo" vertical circumnavigation.
Berny
Nutella is da bomb
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Cool boat! I'll beat he took plenty of Nutella aboard (I would).
Here is his map page: http://www.alphaglobalex.com/Circumnavigation.aspx (http://www.alphaglobalex.com/Circumnavigation.aspx)
It's a lot of East/West in there too. So he really did come anywhere close to sticking to a line of longitude, as that would be impossible on RE or FE. His route could be traced out easily on a FE map, couldn't it?
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Cool boat! I'll beat he took plenty of Nutella aboard (I would).
Here is his map page: http://www.alphaglobalex.com/Circumnavigation.aspx (http://www.alphaglobalex.com/Circumnavigation.aspx)
It's a lot of East/West in there too. So he really did come anywhere close to sticking to a line of longitude, as that would be impossible on RE or FE. His route could be traced out easily on a FE map, couldn't it?
(http://www.transglobe-expedition.org/images/expedition/globe.gif)
This was the original article that I was looking for on here. Not solo but I guess some people like company.
http://www.transglobe-expedition.org/page/the-expedition (http://www.transglobe-expedition.org/page/the-expedition)
This route would be much harder to trace out on an FE since they hoofed it across the Antarctic.
Sticking on a line of latitude except for south of the Straights of Magellan would be just as impossible by boat.
Of course a latiudanal course around the two horns is much shorter than what would be in an FE.
Berny
That was a whole other topic that dragged nowhere.
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Those guys have balls of steel.
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Those guys have balls of steel.
Maybe - but they guys on the Kon Tiki had real balls! Imagine crossing the Pacific on a raft. The Pacific really can put the clamps on you.
Berny
Guess that crosses threads with another thread which will eventually cross some other thread to make a weft.
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If I ever won the lottery, I'd be off and on new Kon Tiki in a instant. There have been quite a few in Thor Heyerdahl's wake - it seems to be a common dream.
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I just read the book Thor Heyerdahl wrote about the Kon-Tiki. Great story. I would have my own Kon-Tiki myself if I had the money.
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But the real question is, could ancient, nonavian dinosaurs without opposable thumbs actually build a Kon-Tiki?
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Probably not. But modern birds build all sorts of nests - some that float - so maybe the dinos did too. They certainly had enough time to try!
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Would any sailor in their right mind seriously compare the Kon-Tiki to a bird's nest? ???
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Look at RA and RA II, not the Kon Tiki.
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RaII
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/RaII.InMuseum.jpg/250px-RaII.InMuseum.jpg)
Other than being made out of reeds, how is that supposed to resemble a nest?
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If I ever won the lottery, I'd be off and on new Kon Tiki in a instant.
If I ever won the lottery, I'd offer a sizable cash prize to anyone who can come up with a coherent FE model that demonstrates the the principles of day, night, changing of the seasons, lunar phases, solar and lunar eclipses as simply and elegantly as a simple orrery.
http://www.donrogerson.com/bricks/orrery.html
(http://www.donrogerson.com/bricks/images/orrery_03.gif)
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It's very cool, but looks far from simple! ;D
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There's a difference between simple and easy. ;)
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/RaII.InMuseum.jpg/250px-RaII.InMuseum.jpg)
Other than being made out of reeds, how is that supposed to resemble a nest?
It's made of sticks and twigs and it floats. The sides are higher then the middle.
Now as a proud primate, I don't think no stinking dino could make such a pretty raft - but maybe they could build something that would float a long way. Birds and wasps build nests, termites build mounds, beavers build damns. Monkeys don't build much of anything, the little buggers - too busy stealing bananas.