The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: Finalfight on August 24, 2006, 04:11:34 PM
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you honestly can't say people believe this truely right
this is just an internet thing........
it has to be
I have been through this fourm and I have found like...NOTHING proving the earth is flat
theres more ANTI flat earth than anything
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Yeah, now that I think of it, this site has to be some kind of a parody.
Kinda like that fat chick who acts like she's really serious about gem sweaters.
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According to the FAQ, which you obviously read because it asks you to do so before posting, this site is not a joke.
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No I dont read FAQs sorry
Im just assuming by the content of this that this is a real site full of idiots
because if this was made for humor who the hell wants to go to a site about the satire of a flat earth
thats not even funny
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Yes, and you claimed it was all a vast conspiracy.
Some strange conspiracy in which nobody benefits from and nobody would benefit from disproving.
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Wow, less than 10 posts each, not reading the FAQ, yet still making fun of the people on the site. The arguments made are stimulating and thought-provoking for the most part. Good job making worthless assumptions, I don't understand the point of people like you people, who go onto things, MAKE ACCOUNTS, solely to talk about the stupidity of it.
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I mean...
(http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/earth_1_apollo17_big.jpg)
It doesnt look very flat....
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he arguments made are stimulating and thought-provoking for the most part.
Thought provoking? Yes.
Dubious? EXTREMELY.
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Wow, less than 10 posts each, not reading the FAQ, yet still making fun of the people on the site. The arguments made are stimulating and thought-provoking for the most part. Good job making worthless assumptions, I don't understand the point of people like you people, who go onto things, MAKE ACCOUNTS, solely to talk about the stupidity of it.
what does the number of posts have to do with anything. they can read through the forum and get a general idea of who is and isn't a complete idiot which i am now begining to think of you as.
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Please, Crimson is right. They clearly haven't read through the forums, or they would have happened upon the enormous amount of posts with this exact content, and they didn't even have the common curtesy to read the FAQ, which has been compiled expressly with the intent of helping people like them.
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i wasn't talking to you fiddle. you can fuel them by responding to them or ignor them and let 'em fade away.
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Fiddle? Heh...I like that one, thanks.
I'm not claiming that we should pay attention to them, and I completely agree that they should be ignored; I was simply pointing out that your attack on Crimson was unfounded.
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i just don't see how the number of posts makes a difference. we all started out with less than ten posts
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True enough, but your argument was constructed as such (paraphrasing, for the sake of getting the gist across);
The number of posts does not matter, because they can read through the forums and therefore be contributing members of the forum.
That argument is completely worthless, because they clearly haven't read through the forums, and are far from being valuable, contributing members of the forums.
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Yes Finalflight, it is a joke. Don't get sucked into this crap. :roll:
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I did read the FAQ, thats why I'm asking these questions.
Government
Q: "Why do the all the world Governments say the Earth is round?"
A: It's a conspiracy.
Q: "What about NASA? Don't they have photos to prove that the Earth is round?"
A: NASA are part of the conspiracy too. The photos are faked.
Q: "Why has no-one taken a photo of the Earth that proves it is flat?"
A: The government prevents people from getting close enough to the Ice Wall to take a picture."
Q: "How did NASA create these images with the computer technology available at the time?"
A: Since NASA did not send rockets into space, they instead spent the money on developing advanced computers and imaging software instead
Q: "What is the motive behind this conspiracy?"
A: The motive is unknown.
Q: "If you don't even have a possible motive, why do you say there is a conspiracy?"
A: Well it's quite simple really; if the earth is in fact flat, then the the governments must be lying when they say it isn't.
Q: "How are the world governments organised enough to carry out this conspiracy?"
A: They only appear to be disorganised to make the conspiracy seem implausible.
PLEASE NOTE This means that pictures confirming the roundness or flatness of the Earth DO NOT IN THEMSELVES CONSTITUTE VALID PROOF
Q: Why hasn’t this site been shut down by the government?
A: Doing so would prove that the government is hiding something.
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I would contend that the fact that FEers can't prove the existence of such a conspiracy is merely proof that said conspiracy is extremely elaborate and expertly maintained.
As an aside, semperround, fiddles have four strings, mate.
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i was just kidding man, there's too much tension. i need to watch my mouth.
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I would contend that the fact that FEers can't prove the existence of such a conspiracy is merely proof that said conspiracy is extremely elaborate and expertly maintained.
And what is it that the keepers of the conspiracy stand to gain?
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Heh, no harm done...I kinda liked it anyhow.
Hmmmm...what does it indicate if, when I first read "there's too much tension", I thought you meant that the strings of your guitar/violin were too tight and my first advice was to loosen the tuning keys?
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Heh, no harm done...I kinda liked it anyhow.
Hmmmm...what does it indicate if, when I first read "there's too much tension", I thought you meant that the strings of your guitar/violin were too tight and my first advice was to loosen the tuning keys?
That you're a music fiend!!! :D
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I would contend that the fact that FEers can't prove the existence of such a conspiracy is merely proof that said conspiracy is extremely elaborate and expertly maintained.
Yes, and since there is no evidence to prove God, it means that he works in very mysterious ways, and therefore, since something has to do the mysterious work, he exists.
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Yes, and since there is no evidence to prove God, it means that he works in very mysterious ways, and therefore, since something has to do the mysterious work, he exists.
Any attempt to reason ad absurdum must, by necessity, end in a conclusion that is clearly absurd. Given that you have yet to prove that God does not exist, I must contend that your point invalidates absolutely nothing. Furthermore, you are misrepresenting my argument, which is that absence of proof is not proof of absence, but could (not necessarily must) simply be the result of an extremely well-organized agency actively preventing such proof from surfacing.
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Yes, and since there is no evidence to prove God, it means that he works in very mysterious ways, and therefore, since something has to do the mysterious work, he exists.
Any attempt to reason ad absurdum must, by necessity, end in a conclusion that is clearly absurd. Given that you have yet to prove that God does not exist, I must contend that your point invalidates absolutely nothing. Furthermore, you are misrepresenting my argument, which is that absence of proof is not proof of absence, but could (not necessarily must) simply be the result of an extremely well-organized agency actively preventing such proof from surfacing.
This is the exact thing that I tell the pink unicorn that lives under my bed!! wow! What a conincidence!
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Yes, and since there is no evidence to prove God, it means that he works in very mysterious ways, and therefore, since something has to do the mysterious work, he exists.
Any attempt to reason ad absurdum must, by necessity, end in a conclusion that is clearly absurd. Given that you have yet to prove that God does not exist, I must contend that your point invalidates absolutely nothing. Furthermore, you are misrepresenting my argument, which is that absence of proof is not proof of absence, but could (not necessarily must) simply be the result of an extremely well-organized agency actively preventing such proof from surfacing.
This is the exact thing that I tell the pink unicorn that lives under my bed!! wow! What a conincidence!
OMFG read the post again, and then get someone to explain it to you if you're still having trouble. :?
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I swear, this is the most ridiculous site I have ever visited by far...
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This site has been painful to read. If you don't believe the Earth is flat, I can design some experiments you can perform on your own to prove it by measuring the angle of the sun's rays impacting the earth's surface.
The belief that gravity is not produced by the Earth, but is by other objects is equally fallacious, as you can measure the gravitational attraction of any two material objects using a historically significant experiment that was responsible for estimating the gravitation pull of the Earth at it's surface.
If you don't believe textbooks about the size of various planets or stars (or the moon), I recommend you take Astronomy and Geometry at your local community college. With a firm grasp of geometric mathematics and an understanding of the motion of stellar bodies, you will be able to confirm the "evil government conspiracy claims" about the size of said objects in space.
As for this "ice wall" surrounding the ends of the flat earth... If ANY of you has actually been there, and thoroughly mapped and explored it, do post a copy of your findings, i would be fascinated.
Another curious point is that if the Earth is flat, our oceans would not have high and low tides because the Moon's gravity would no longer be acting on the Earth's surface in the same fasion.
Additionally, some of you may have heard of a commonly used tool of reasoning, called accum's razor. It states that the answer requiring the fewest number of assumptions is most likely the correct one. While a massive government conspiracy, thousands of years of lying scientists, and a bizarrely different twist on the laws of physics are all entirely possible, it requires fewer assumptions to believe that the Earth does in fact resemble a sphere.
If there are those of you who still believe the Earth is flat after ALL of that, I recommend you seek out professional help with a psychologist. Describe your symptoms as:
Delusions involving the belief of the Earth's nature and beliefs that there is a world-wide government conspiracy to keep the truth from yourself and others.
Symptomatic of Paranoid Type Schizophrenia, Axis II DSM-IV-TR
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DexCalib24, I don't believe any of these people truly believe in the garbage they produce. It is highly more likely that they are pretending to believe in this drivel. Some FE'ers even openly accept that the Earth is actually round.
This site is really not worth spending any time on. Try http://www.philosophychatforum.com or http://www.sciencechatforum.com if you want a worthwhile forum to post on.
~Ubuntu
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Given that you have yet to prove that God does not exist
I can historically prove that God was invented by men. You can't prove Harry Potter isn't true, but we accept the fact that J.K. Rowling made up the story as evidence to show it isn't true.
There is no evidence or logical proof to point to God; there is no rational reason to believe in God; the only reasons you have are irrational; belief is God is irrational.
Refer to Occam's razor and Russell's teapot.
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I can historically prove that God was invented by men.
I would be extremely interested in reading such a proof.
There is no evidence or logical proof to point to God
I have yet to see any evidence or logical proof agaist God, and as aware as I am of Russell's teapot, I am as yet unaware as to why the claim that God exists is any more preposterous than the claim that God does not exist.
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I can historically prove that God was invented by men.
I would be extremely interested in reading such a proof.
There is no evidence or logical proof to point to God
I have yet to see any evidence or logical proof agaist God, and as aware as I am of Russell's teapot, I am as yet unaware as to why the claim that God exists is any more preposterous than the claim that God does not exist.
The Bible, the Qu'ran, The Torah, The Prophet Jesus, The Prophet Muhammad, Abraham, Duddha, Confucious, all men or books written by men, who started world religions.
Lack of proof against (with no proof in favour of) is not proof at all. There are many paradoxes about God (omnipotence, creation) and one can demonstrate that determinism is inevitable, so God either a) does not have Free Will or c) has no will at all.
Occam's razor tells you to remove unnecessary entities, God is one of said entities. His/Her/Its existence is totally unneeded in the Universe.
(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2258/ubuntusfunneleu8.png)
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using that, I can prove that women are evil, money causes cancer, and pretty much anything is anything it is not
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using that, I can prove that women are evil, money causes cancer, and pretty much anything is anything it is not
Go ahead. Put your gold-backed paper where your mouth is.
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(http://txfx.net/2004/09/11/women-evil)
I cannot take credit for that one.
Money is the instrument of the devil
the devil is evil
cancer is evil,
not as good but whatever, I just made it up on the spot.
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This site is a joke right?
YOUR FACE IS A JOKE (jkng :P )
Money is the instrument of the devil
the devil is evil
cancer is evil,
so, your saying money = cancer?
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(http://txfx.net/2004/09/11/women-evil)
Mmm... hotlinking... definatley not allowed. That kills servers you know. Next time take the image URL and paste it to http://imageshack.us (they've got plenty of bandwidth to host images). Watch out, because I have a friend with a website full of funny images, and when people try to hotlink them, the server replaces them a nice explicit porno image.
(http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6549/womenevilya5.jpg)
This cannot even be compared to mine. It confuses math, logic, and language, uses false axioms and takes idioms literally; it's a joke, mine is a language tool.
Faith = No Logical Proof, No Logical Proof = Illogical Proof = Illogical Belief = Errors in Reasoning = Incorrect Reasoning = Wrong
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The Bible, the Qu'ran, The Torah, The Prophet Jesus, The Prophet Muhammad, Abraham, Duddha, Confucious, all men or books written by men, who started world religions.
I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about proving that God was invented by men, not that religion was invented by men. The two are not equivalen in this scenario. I cpntinue to await your proof.
Lack of proof against (with no proof in favour of) is not proof at all.
Nor is Occam's razor. It is a heuristic, not a law. I therefore contend that you still failed to reason ad absurdum, in addition to misrepresenting the initial argument.
As for your woefully egotistical "funnel":
Many people, as demonstrated by this site, take the fact that the earth is round on faith, as the have no logical reason behind their idea that it is round, other than the fact that it is what they were taught. Therefore, by Ubuntu's Funnel, the earth cannot be round.
As for CrimsonKing...what was that? I really don't see any way it could be considered relevant, let alone sufficient reason to critique Ubuntu's reasoning.
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Honestly, Ubuntu, I'm sorry, but 6strings is correct that your logic is a bit faulty. I don't think you're expressing yourself very well. Let me try.
Occam's Razor is only a very general tool; it doesn't prove anything. It needs to be applied in a specific way to have a validity. If two competing models both explain aspects of the real world equally well, then we must provisionally accept the simpler model as true until such time as evidence arises that favors one model over the other.
Further, simply because something hasn't/cannot be disproved does not make it reasonable to believe that it is true, as with Russell's teapot. We cannot disprove the existence of the teapot, or any specific deity, but if what we observe about the world is explained at least equally well without the deity, then the only logical course is to act as though the deity did not exist until such time as we have further evidence; then we must re-evaluate. This is how science, and indeed all rational thought, works.
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I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about proving that God was invented by men, not that religion was invented by men. The two are not equivalen in this scenario. I continue to await your proof.
All religions were invented by man. Religions are what predominantley lead people to believe in God. The large majority of beliefs in this world today was invented by different men.
The next part is trickier, because no one knows for how long before they wrote about it people started thinking about higher powers. If they wrote about, they thought about it, and the idea must've been a function of cognition. Now you could say that God talked to these people or inspired them to think of these things, but there is no historical (religious texts are far too biased too count) evidence of these things happening and you could also argue that all ideas - including Grand Theft Auto: Vice City and Atheism are inspired but God, but there is no reason to believe that they were.
You could also say that the events described by Scientologists happened too, but there is no evidence that they did or that L. Ron Hubbard is really a prophet (there are several "prophets" on the streets of any city you can name).
Religion is defined as "belief in a higher power" and we can first trace back to the Ancient East, where Conficious and Buddha lived, men, who wrote about Tao and Buddha and whatnot (not compatible with each other or traditional Abrahamic God) -- this is history and these are men.
Many people, as demonstrated by this site, take the fact that the earth is round on faith... Therefore, by Ubuntu's Funnel, the earth cannot be round.
Actually we look at photos, videos, read about astronauts, space programs, study science and astronomy... logical proof and material evidence. (Even if someone were fooling you by providing false material evidence -- a clone of your dead spouse, say -- the conclusion you come to would not be illogical.)