The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: Yardstick2006 on July 15, 2006, 01:25:54 AM
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Show me proof that the NASA photos are fake.
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Show me proof that the NASA photos are fake.
The only proof they have that the NASA photos are fake is this arguement: "The earth is flat, therefore, photos that would depict anything other than this (such as the ones NASA has provided from the Apollo missions) are fakes and mockeries of our sacred and blind belief in the earth's flatness." I wouldn't be surprised if this is the only response you get either.
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I guess I should be mor specific then:
Give me proof that the NASA picks are fake. And I dont want any 'the earth is flat there fore round earth pics are fake' bullshit give me real proof.
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If no FEers reply in 24 hours then I will assume you have conceded.
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Prove they're not.
And stop with this idiotic "If nobody responds then I win woohoo" crap. It's infantile.
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Sorry Skippy that wont wash proove the |NASA photos are fake. You must have some evidence that supports this othertwise I suggest you remove the answer from your FAQ.
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And stop with this idiotic "If nobody responds then I win woohoo" crap. It's infantile.
No.
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They're photos proclaiming the Earth to be round - it's up to you to prove that they're REAL.
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To the extent you are unprejudiced and objective, you might find this interesting (not the Buzz Aldrin comment, but the vintage NASA video filmed in Goldstone, California, which is separate from and much older than the documentary Sibrel recently produced):
http://www.aulis.com/nasa7.htm
- Dionysios
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Prove they're not.
And stop with this idiotic "If nobody responds then I win woohoo" crap. It's infantile.
Why shouldn't the burden of proof be on you, since your belief goes against the majority?
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To the extent you are unprejudiced and objective, you might find this interesting (not the Buzz Aldrin comment, but the vintage NASA video filmed in Goldstone, California, which is separate from and much older than the documentary Sibrel recently produced):
http://www.aulis.com/nasa7.htm
- Dionysios
OK I stopped reading that garbage when they compared the success rate of landing on the moon to the success rate of landing on mars, my guess is a high school student would have found that to be RETARDED as well.
Could it be the case that NASA publicly stated that it was doing things one way, when in fact plans were in place to proceed in a very different manner?
The return of our favorite FE transition!
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Why shouldn't the burden of proof be on you, since your belief goes against the majority?
Our belief goes against the majority, but your believe goes against the apparent truth. The Earth looks flat - if you want to show that it's not, it's up to you to prove something which is not obviously true.
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So you judge what something is just by how it looks at first glance?
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Why shouldn't the burden of proof be on you, since your belief goes against the majority?
Burden of proof has nothing to do with popular opinion.
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Noone has yet prooved the NASA photos are fake.
Proof plz.
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Very well, if you cannot proove it, I suggest you remove the referance to NASA's being part of the conspiracy from the FAQ and I think you should issue an apology to NASA for slandering them.
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which NASA photos? everything they have ever come up with? or just the ones from space?
this is fucking pathetic. I assume it goes for other space organisations like ESA (european space agency, who i am going to work for soon). i know tens of people from NASA - most from JPL. they do solid science and tech. you people are so blissfully ignorant.
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I would say that "blissfully ignorant" would be what FErs would use to describe RErs. That being said, if they were in a conspiracy, I'm sure they would not tell you.
Oh and congratulations on being accepted to ESA, I heard it was excedingly difficult
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I would say that "blissfully ignorant" would be what FErs would use to describe RErs. That being said, if they were in a conspiracy, I'm sure they would not tell you.
Oh and congratulations on being accepted to ESA, I heard it was excedingly difficult
i'm sure, yeah. some of the guys i know at JPL are on the Opportunity mars rover team. they are just everyday geologists. what would their motive be to lie to me?
the guy who tries to sell you a computer at a shop will probably tell you all the computer's specifications, but you are unlikely to understand what he means. maybe he is part of a conspiracy! maybe none of that stuff inside the computer is real, maybe they are run by a cold-fusion-powered human brain? and the brain cells are arranged to look like normal circuitry?
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To protect their government and way of life. What would happen if they did tell you one night.
1) you might believe they are crazy and have them commited
2) the word would get out, and the gov't would need to silence him
3)the word might get out, and the people would be pissed off to know theyve been lied to their entire life
I think you see my point
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To protect their government and way of life. What would happen if they did tell you one night.
1) you might believe they are crazy and have them commited
2) the word would get out, and the gov't would need to silence him
3)the word might get out, and the people would be pissed off to know theyve been lied to their entire life
I think you see my point
no, i don't.
and considering my contacts, i should probably be in on this Conspiracy by now. but suprisingly, i'm not.
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As if you would tell us if you were
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yep. i am part of the conspiracy. seriously. and i know the reasons for it, but i'm not going to tell you.
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Oh well would you explain it to me at least
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nah
i say again, which images, or sets of images, in particular, are deemed fake?
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Just look at the database next time you are at the center that has to do with the conspiracy, I'm sure youll find plenty
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proof?
You need to prove that someone tells you something is fake?
thats the problem with this world today, you just assume something someone tells you is the truth, when it could be far from the truth. If i hand you a picture with me standing next to hitler, would you believe that too?
You should have to prove us that they are not fake, not the other way around.
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i doubt it. they are quite transpareant, being so keen for funding as they are at ESA as well as NASA.
with JPL, are these from the Conspiracy?
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.cfm
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html
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Well since they are from JPL i would wager yes, but I dont know
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(http://dziadecki.tripod.com/hf/images/computer/bone-moon-canyon.jpg)
does that mean there are floating bones everywhere? nope
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Well since they are from JPL i would wager yes, but I dont know
well look at the sites and tell me. how have they enforced this Conspiracy? and why invent this particular part of the Conspiracy - planetary science?
even down to making university courses in planetary science, such as the one I am doing?
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Well, they have enforced this conspiracy by keeping everyone involved on their side, and planetary science has been around since the begining of time when a caveman looked up and said something like, OOOH PRETTY. So there has to be the same things as any other science, books, courses, etc.
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Well, they have enforced this conspiracy by keeping everyone involved on their side, and planetary science has been around since the begining of time when a caveman looked up and said something like, OOOH PRETTY. So there has to be the same things as any other science, books, courses, etc.
yes there are. funny how these courses involve the study and practical application of deep time, heliocentric star systems, and spheroidal planets.
and they are sponsored and allowed by humanity's highest establishments of learning - universities.
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I agree, it is quite funny, practical applications of things that are as much unprovable as they are futile to think about
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I agree, it is quite funny, practical applications of things that are as much unprovable as they are futile to think about
why are they unprovable? we are being taught the mechanisms for reaching other planets, the maths behind trajectories between two planets orbiting a star. and that is the way that space probes and sattellites are launched. why is that futile to think about?
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what they would say now is that you are an fact part of the conspiracy and you are lying as well...its quite simple. Everything and everyone that could proove anything is part of the conspiracy!
Quite similar as a possible "conversation" in the 13th century:
"There is no such thing as Satan or whitches......"
"Ahh, he's possessed by the devil....burn him!"
And today.....
"The earth is round, not flat!"
"Ahh, he's part of the conspiracy...he's lying, don't listen to him...!"
Having spent a lot of time in this page I have decided to use my time for something better that trying to convince people who don't want to, or can't be convinced.
You think the earth is flat...that's not my problem. Go on believing what ever you want. Go on reading the bible and believing whatever it says, do it. I don't care. Obviously there always have to be people like this, cause otherwise the rest could not define themselves as "normal", "sensible" or what ever you may call it.
A great relief to me is, that the flat earth believers will never ever have any effect on global politics or education or anything important. Because, and here is the thing i believe in: I believe that the majority of the human population is smart enough to, if they ever come across this forum or any other information concerning the flat earth movement, read a bit...then smile....maybe shake their heads and turn away to do something else. But this is all the reaction the FE theory ever evokes in most of the people who read about it.
It's just a bit sad for all the smart people who spook around here.....
Here's my last comment on the FE:
"It's bullshit. I don't like the smell of it."
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i know what you mean.
it just scares me that the stuff i do every day, in both the planetary science and the evo-devo fields, is simply deemed non-existant and evil by some people. all it is is science.
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it is unprovable because not everyone believes in deep space, and that kinda stuff is pretty easy to make up with the right motivation. In this site, there is contention on what those "probes and sattellites" do after they are launched, most think they just fly off into nowhere and eventually land back on earth at some point. Everything found during their "flight throught the cosmos" is all fabricated.
It is futile to think about because knowing it is all a conspiracy, nothing being said is important, I find that a little futile to think about if it is not true
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there is contention on what those "probes and sattellites" do after they are launched, most think they just fly off into nowhere and eventually land back on earth at some point. Everything found during their "flight throught the cosmos" is all fabricated.
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you really need to educate yourself. no joke.
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there is contention on what those "probes and sattellites" do after they are launched, most think they just fly off into nowhere and eventually land back on earth at some point. Everything found during their "flight throught the cosmos" is all fabricated.
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you really need to educate yourself. no joke.
u need to think freely, uncontroled by what sociaty tells u.
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"sociaty"?
you need to educate yourself too.
"society" doesnt tell me anything about planetary science. i learn it from the people who do it - who plan missions, build probes, maintain them during flight and do the science on arrival.
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ops sorry its a miss type
you know when u press one button instead of the other because your typing without looking at the keys...
ya
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Noone has yet prooved the NASA photos are fake.
I disagree with that completely, but your opinion is your opinion. The link I posted indicates that the "moon landings" aired on television in 1969 were a skit performed in a film studio in Goldstone, California:
http://www.aulis.com/nasa7.htm
If you really want more information, then see 'The Space Hoax' post in the Flat Earth User Group category.
-Dionysios
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so what about all the information gained from going to the moon? both manned and unmanned? the half a tonne of returned rocks? as well as the few kilos of soil returned by soviet probes? it contains minerals that do not exist on earth.
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I dont think you are understanding, If it came from the conspiracy, youre not going to change anyones opinion say, oh but look what they did!
Conspiracys tend to cover themselves well, and part of that is being above suspicion
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so am i wasting my time doing a planetary science course?
Armalcolite does not exist, then. that is what you are saying.
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so am i wasting my time doing a planetary science course?
I'm pretty FEers and real scientists agree that if you take a course and simply accept everything you are told at face value, you are not training yourself to be the sort of thinker that the academic world needs.
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so am i wasting my time doing a planetary science course?
I'm pretty FEers and real scientists agree that if you take a course and simply accept everything you are told at face value, you are not training yourself to be the sort of thinker that the academic world needs.
well, of course. thats why we do small amounts of work for ESA analysing the Huygens probe data. we don't just sit back and absorb. we participate.
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simply accept everything you are told at face value, you are not training yourself to be the sort of thinker that the academic world needs.
are you a biblical literalist? if so this would be pretty ironic
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Show me proof that the NASA photos are fake.
The only proof they have that the NASA photos are fake is this arguement: "The earth is flat, therefore, photos that would depict anything other than this (such as the ones NASA has provided from the Apollo missions) are fakes and mockeries of our sacred and blind belief in the earth's flatness." I wouldn't be surprised if this is the only response you get either.
That isn't proof!! It's a mere theory....and a really ridiculous one. Come on, do you have to drop logic to believe in this shit?
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are you a biblical literalist? if so this would be pretty ironic
I sort of feel like you just asked me if I was totally unfamiliar with the English language, because if so it would be sort of strange that I was communicating in it.
Have I given you any reason to believe that I am a biblical literalist?
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Speaking of Bible literalist, I miss Dionysios
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are you a biblical literalist? if so this would be pretty ironic
I sort of feel like you just asked me if I was totally unfamiliar with the English language, because if so it would be sort of strange that I was communicating in it.
Have I given you any reason to believe that I am a biblical literalist?
no not directly. but that seems to be some peoples prime justification for a flat earth.
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I don't remember anyone stating that the sole reason they believed in the FE is because it's in the bible.
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Prove they're not.
And stop with this idiotic "If nobody responds then I win woohoo" crap. It's infantile.
we donot need to prove to you that the RE photos are not fake.you can tell they arent.which is why you lock every post that has a genuine pic of a RE on it.the FE model of earth looks like a piece of dog shit,by the way.why cant we say we won if you dont respond with real proof?its logically sound.if you asked me what 7-3 is and i dont say a thing,you would believe that i really do not know the answer to a pre-kindergarden math problem.once again.another classic example of why i still have doubts that this site is even serious and why i belive you make jokes about this site every time you log off.youre simply answering a demand with another one.you will convert no one with this method.
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Well, I 'spect we can close this thread once you view this footage:
http://www.gaiaguys.net/moontruth.mpg
I rest my case.
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Our belief goes against the majority, but your believe goes against the apparent truth. The Earth looks flat - if you want to show that it's not, it's up to you to prove something which is not obviously true.
The Earth looks flat. But a Hologram looks 3D. a bit of a rash decision?