The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: nickyp_uk on September 08, 2009, 04:14:07 PM
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My Reasons:
1) One of your primary explanations is that it looks flat from a persons perspective. Well of course it does, in most places, it isn't open enough to see the horizon, let alone the curvature of the earth. The earth is big, it's not gonna be like standing on the surface of a football (or soccer ball for my American friends here). It holds about as much weight as me saying, I look at a perspex box full of air, I see nothing in it, therefore there can't be anything in air, which we clearly know is not the case.
2) You all seem to say, whenever confronted with evidence that the earth is round, that you don't take it for evidence such as pictures or videos or in the case of actual experiments you say they have probably been faked. Personally I find the most annoying response when provided with a specific piece of information is for a FE'er to flat out say, "You're wrong" or "I don't believe you". If you take this point of view then you are completely blocking out the possibility that you are wrong and therefore there is no point in even debating with any of you.
3) All of you experimental "proof" seems to originate from just one man, Samuel Rowbotham, a scientist from the 1800s who is known for little more than his experiments which "proved" the earth to be flat. There are however far more scientists, more respected scientists, who have evidence to prove that the earth is round. There have also been others who have tested Rowbotham's experiments and while in early years they sometime yielded similar results to Rowbotham, as time and the quality/accuracy of apparatus increased, the result of a round earth became far more common in the evidence. However if FE'ers just say "Oh the scientists who find the earth to round through these experiments must be part of the conspiracy", then what's the point in even having a discussion with you as you all seem far too stubborn and narrow minded to even let this idea enter the realms of possibility.
4) My fourth reason for not being convinced is the "conspiracy" which must be happening for a flat earth to be the case. So many people have to be involved in it that keeping it a secret would be a huge ask, if not impossible. Also the idea of men guarding the ice wall on snow mobiles with apache helicopters to fight off intruders seems too far fetched for me.
5) My final reason is the theory of dark energy as it has far too many holes in it as far as I can see. Surely if the atmosphere covers the earth, then it effectively acts as a windshield, thus trapping any air. Surely this means that when the "dark energy" which creates the upward force, causing the earth will move at a certain speed, but so will the air in the atmosphere, much like the air in a car, therefore a downward force which mimics gravity would not be felt. The only other explanation would that dark energy causes the earth to accelerate, which I would agree would create a force similar to gravity, however, due to the life of the earth, I find this very hard to believe that it has been accelerating all this time, as if this were the case, surely it would have reached the speed of light which is impossible due to its mass.
It's all of these reasons which have led me to reach a pretty certain conclusion that the world is indeed round. It was interesting talking about the different theories though, it's just a shame some people can't seem to keep a proper discussion/debate going.
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It really is a shame when people just go "You're wrong" and never admit that they might just be the wrong ones.
I wouldn't single out FE'ers, though. There are equal amounts of ignorance in both groups. ^^;
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I don't think this website has really convinced anyone. Those who claim they have are probably just trolls or they were here when the website was made. All in all maybe 10 people max.
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No one cares whether you're convinced or not.
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Which ultimately destroys any value of this website.
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Which ultimately destroys any value of this website.
Why? ???
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No one cares whether you're convinced or not.
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Who's trying to convince you of anything? Unless one of our more erratically minded members has finally blown his cork, gone and tied you up and forced you to register for an account and post here, you've come here of your own free will. In actuality, since you're the one who has come to this website with an alternative opinion, you should be the one trying to convince us that the Earth is not flat.
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Who's trying to convince you of anything? Unless one of our more erratically minded members has finally blown his cork, gone and tied you up and forced you to register for an account and post here, you've come here of your own free will. In actuality, since you're the one who has come to this website with an alternative opinion, you should be the one trying to convince us that the Earth is not flat.
Well said, brother!
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I love Robosteve
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Who's trying to convince you of anything? Unless one of our more erratically minded members has finally blown his cork, gone and tied you up and forced you to register for an account and post here, you've come here of your own free will. In actuality, since you're the one who has come to this website with an alternative opinion, you should be the one trying to convince us that the Earth is not flat.
Well I would but you are the guys are the ones who take one guy's experiments from the 1800s which have already been proved to be miscalculated and base your whole theories on that despite the fact so many more recognizable scientists have provided scientific proof for a round earth. Don't you think that says something?
You also base your argument on the fact that it looks flat from a persons perspective which is quite frankly a retarded argument. And don't even get me started on the conspiracy. Its too far fetched to even begin thinking about.
No one cares whether you're convinced or not.
Once again, thanks for proving me right that when one of you guys is backed into a corner and has no answer, you just resort to verbal attacks. You lot are all just so unbelievably stubborn and for some reason must get some kick out of trying to tell people the world is flat. From where I'm sitting it looks very much like cult. Either that or your lives are so unbeleivably boring that you decide to come on here and insult (I know that's what I'm doing now, but I've had enough reasoning with you) anyone who doesn't believe in your stupid and let's face it, completely unrealistic theories.
Which ultimately destroys any value of this website.
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Yet no one to my knowledge has disproved FET?
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No one to my knowledge has disproved RET either, and it has in fact been proved, although you guys think this has been faked right?
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Well I would but you are the guys are the ones who take one guy's experiments from the 1800s which have already been proved to be miscalculated and base your whole theories on that despite the fact so many more recognizable scientists have provided scientific proof for a round earth. Don't you think that says something?
You also base your argument on the fact that it looks flat from a persons perspective which is quite frankly a retarded argument. And don't even get me started on the conspiracy. Its too far fetched to even begin thinking about.
If it bothers you that much, you're free to leave at any time.
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Who's trying to convince you of anything?
I see the whole point of this site is not to try and convince people that the earth is flat.
It has achieved it's objective.
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Who's trying to convince you of anything?
I see the whole point of this site is not to try and convince people that the earth is flat.
It has achieved it's objective.
Unnecessary apostrophe. Ouch. Way to lay down the punch, Duke Felchface.
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i dont understand why you guys are telling nicky that she is trying to convince people, all she was doing was posting her views on here, and it says on the site that you are welcome to sceptics. so if your not prepared to listen to other views then why are you on here?
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why are you on here?
Because I love truth, and the truth is that the earth is flat. If other people's brainwashing prevents them from seeing the truth, then that's not my problem, although I guess they themselves really can't be blamed... it's not their fault either.
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Who's trying to convince you of anything?
I see the whole point of this site is not to try and convince people that the earth is flat.
It has achieved it's objective.
Unnecessary apostrophe. Ouch. Way to lay down the punch, Duke Felchface.
Unecessary perhaps.
Like going into a war with to many bullets, you can never have to many apostrophe's.
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why are you on here?
Because I love truth, and the truth is that the earth is flat. If other people's brainwashing prevents them from seeing the truth, then that's not my problem, although I guess they themselves really can't be blamed... it's not their fault either.
but you dont know the truth. have you ever been out yourself and seen that the world is flat? no you havent. all your beliefs are placed on what you have been told by someone else. now you must be thinking that i have never been out and seen the is round, the answer to that is i dont have to, all i need to do is go and stand on a long straight world and i will be able to see the curvature of the earth. oh look, i just disproved the whole FES and i dint even leave my pc :D
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Who's trying to convince you of anything?
I see the whole point of this site is not to try and convince people that the earth is flat.
It has achieved it's objective.
Unnecessary apostrophe. Ouch. Way to lay down the punch, Duke Felchface.
Unecessary perhaps.
Like going into a war with to many bullets, you can never have to many apostrophe's.
I. Love. You.
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i dint even leave my pc :D
But I sure wish you would.
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i dint even leave my pc :D
But I sure wish you would.
exactly, because you know im right and you having nothing to back your theories with
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....have you ever been out yourself and seen that the world is flat?....
Yes. Five minutes ago.
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....have you ever been out yourself and seen that the world is flat?....
Yes. Five minutes ago.
well why dont you try going somewhere other than outside your house. ofcourse the world will look flat from there because you cant see far enough to see the curvature. duh
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So you're saying the earth is flat in some places (my yard) and curved in other places?
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Im saying astonaughts, they have seen it took pics etc, explain that.
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They haven't taken pictures. They've created pictures.
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Im saying astonaughts, they have seen it took pics etc, explain that.
Yes, I've heard that astronauts say these kinds of things.
MSNBC told me this today about my horoscope:
Pay attention to all subtle signals today, especially if they seem to be arriving in little groups. The universe is trying to make a point -- to direct your attention to the center ring, where your prize is waiting. Don't be distracted by anything less than a natural disaster and certainly not by petty work-related matters. You're oozing luck from every pore. Be sure to take advantage of it. It's what you're supposed to do.
Do you think I will win the lottery?
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how can u create the earth round? if u think of it logically for a sec, one, the people who have sailed around the world, they went around, now if it is flat that would be impossable. and the world being round gives us one big thing, atmosphere, that u know gives us oxygen, which means if the world was flat we wouldnt get much and die quicker, also if it was flat, there would be no hills, mountains, basically all flat,
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how can u create the earth round?
Photoshop.
if u think of it logically for a sec, one, the people who have sailed around the world, they went around, now if it is flat that would be impossable.
Not so.
and the world being round gives us one big thing, atmosphere, that u know gives us oxygen, which means if the world was flat we wouldnt get much and die quicker, also if it was flat, there would be no hills, mountains, basically all flat,
You're right, the earth is not technically flat. When people talk about a flat earth they just mean that the earth is a disc, not that it really is completely flat with no variations in elevation, just like when people talk about a "round" earth they don't actually mean round.
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Who's trying to convince you of anything?
I see the whole point of this site is not to try and convince people that the earth is flat.
It has achieved it's objective.
Unnecessary apostrophe. Ouch. Way to lay down the punch, Duke Felchface.
How petty do you want to get?!?!
I also want to grace the idea of commercial space travel now. It's now coming increasingly more available and flights can be purchased for $20-30 million. Now my reason for bringing this up is that those who pay for these flights are very rich and well known people. Therefore, I believe it unlikely that they could be paid off by the conspiracy as the revelation and announcement that the world was flat would be a far greater thing for them than a big pay cheque. It is also close to impossible that they too are part of the conspiracy as they are well known and have long backgrounds in their respective fields for instance Richard Garriott who is a video game developer, or Charles Simonyi who works for microsoft. You can argue that they have been part of the conspiracy from day one but then why would it be possible for me to go to space if I had $200,000. Why would the leaders of the conspiracy allow that if what you say about them being the only ones who have access to a height where you can see that the earth is flat. It just doesn't make sense.
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Who's trying to convince you of anything?
I see the whole point of this site is not to try and convince people that the earth is flat.
It has achieved it's objective.
Unnecessary apostrophe. Ouch. Way to lay down the punch, Duke Felchface.
How petty do you want to get?!?!
APAP
(As Petty As Possible)
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how can u create the earth round? if u think of it logically for a sec, one, the people who have sailed around the world, they went around, now if it is flat that would be impossable. and the world being round gives us one big thing, atmosphere, that u know gives us oxygen, which means if the world was flat we wouldnt get much and die quicker, also if it was flat, there would be no hills, mountains, basically all flat,
That's non responsive to my horoscope question.
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how can u create the earth round? if u think of it logically for a sec, one, the people who have sailed around the world, they went around, now if it is flat that would be impossable. and the world being round gives us one big thing, atmosphere, that u know gives us oxygen, which means if the world was flat we wouldnt get much and die quicker, also if it was flat, there would be no hills, mountains, basically all flat,
That's non responsive to my horoscope question.
No one cares about your horoscope, it was completely off topic. Pipe down until you have something worthwhile to say.
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I also want to grace the idea of commercial space travel now. It's now coming increasingly more available and flights can be purchased for $20-30 million. Now my reason for bringing this up is that those who pay for these flights are very rich and well known people. Therefore, I believe it unlikely that they could be paid off by the conspiracy as the revelation and announcement that the world was flat would be a far greater thing for them than a big pay cheque. It is also close to impossible that they too are part of the conspiracy as they are well known and have long backgrounds in their respective fields for instance Richard Garriott who is a video game developer, or Charles Simonyi who works for microsoft. You can argue that they have been part of the conspiracy from day one but then why would it be possible for me to go to space if I had $200,000. Why would the leaders of the conspiracy allow that if what you say about them being the only ones who have access to a height where you can see that the earth is flat. It just doesn't make sense.
Richard Garriott is the son of a NASA employee. What else would you expect him to claim?
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So you're saying the earth is flat in some places (my yard) and curved in other places?
no you fool, you damn well know thats not what im trying to say, stop twisting it to make you seem right.
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I also want to grace the idea of commercial space travel now. It's now coming increasingly more available and flights can be purchased for $20-30 million. Now my reason for bringing this up is that those who pay for these flights are very rich and well known people. Therefore, I believe it unlikely that they could be paid off by the conspiracy as the revelation and announcement that the world was flat would be a far greater thing for them than a big pay cheque. It is also close to impossible that they too are part of the conspiracy as they are well known and have long backgrounds in their respective fields for instance Richard Garriott who is a video game developer, or Charles Simonyi who works for microsoft. You can argue that they have been part of the conspiracy from day one but then why would it be possible for me to go to space if I had $200,000. Why would the leaders of the conspiracy allow that if what you say about them being the only ones who have access to a height where you can see that the earth is flat. It just doesn't make sense.
Richard Garriott is the son of a NASA employee. What else would you expect him to claim?
Fine, what about Anousheh Ansari, Charles Simonyi and Mark Shuttleworth. None have any connection to NASA but they all flew self funded to space. You also haven't addressed how and why they would make it possible for me or anyone else to go to space if I had the right money. Explain
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No one cares about your horoscope, it was completely off topic. Pipe down until you have something worthwhile to say.
It was spot on topic as you were putting forth hearsay as evidence.
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That's non responsive to my horoscope question.
No one cares about your horoscope, it was completely off topic. Pipe down until you have something worthwhile to say.
It was spot on topic as you were putting forth hearsay as evidence.
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You really are something else....
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You really are something else....
Considering the average person in this world, I would be thrilled to be something else from that.
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Fine, what about Anousheh Ansari, Charles Simonyi and Mark Shuttleworth. None have any connection to NASA but they all flew self funded to space. You also haven't addressed how and why they would make it possible for me or anyone else to go to space if I had the right money. Explain
If I had spent twenty-five million dollars on a swindle, I would also be reticent about telling the world.
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You really are something else....
Considering the average person in this world, I would be thrilled to be something else from that.
No mate, you're just some guy who tries to make himself seem big by making up the fact that he's part of a conspiracy which is conning billions of people. If that helps you feel good about yourself then fine.
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You really are something else....
Considering the average person in this world, I would be thrilled to be something else from that.
No mate, you're just some guy who tries to make himself seem big by making up the fact that he's part of a conspiracy which is conning billions of people. If that helps you feel good about yourself then fine.
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What an odd thing to say...
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Fine, what about Anousheh Ansari, Charles Simonyi and Mark Shuttleworth. None have any connection to NASA but they all flew self funded to space. You also haven't addressed how and why they would make it possible for me or anyone else to go to space if I had the right money. Explain
If I had spent twenty-five million dollars on a swindle, I would also be reticent about telling the world.
They are mainly people though that $25million seems like pocket change to them. Finding out that the world is flat would be well worth losing the money for as in revealing this, they could probably sue the space program which was meant to take them for far more than they had paid, and the added fame and money that would come with being the person who revealed the world was flat would be a bonus making it all the more likely that had it been a con, they would have come out and said. You still refuse to answer my question why they would offer it to any average joe in the first place if they wanted to keep it so secret.
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Fine, what about Anousheh Ansari, Charles Simonyi and Mark Shuttleworth. None have any connection to NASA but they all flew self funded to space. You also haven't addressed how and why they would make it possible for me or anyone else to go to space if I had the right money. Explain
If I had spent twenty-five million dollars on a swindle, I would also be reticent about telling the world.
They are mainly people though that $25million seems like pocket change to them. Finding out that the world is flat would be well worth losing the money for as in revealing this, they could probably sue the space program which was meant to take them for far more than they had paid, and the added fame and money that would come with being the person who revealed the world was flat would be a bonus making it all the more likely that had it been a con, they would have come out and said. You still refuse to answer my question why they would offer it to any average joe in the first place if they wanted to keep it so secret.
Who are you trying to convince... us, or yourself?
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Fine, what about Anousheh Ansari, Charles Simonyi and Mark Shuttleworth. None have any connection to NASA but they all flew self funded to space. You also haven't addressed how and why they would make it possible for me or anyone else to go to space if I had the right money. Explain
If I had spent twenty-five million dollars on a swindle, I would also be reticent about telling the world.
They are mainly people though that $25million seems like pocket change to them. Finding out that the world is flat would be well worth losing the money for as in revealing this, they could probably sue the space program which was meant to take them for far more than they had paid, and the added fame and money that would come with being the person who revealed the world was flat would be a bonus making it all the more likely that had it been a con, they would have come out and said. You still refuse to answer my question why they would offer it to any average joe in the first place if they wanted to keep it so secret.
Who are you trying to convince... us, or yourself?
Who do you think? I know the world is round, why don't you just explain the reasons I highlighted??
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They are mainly people though that $25million seems like pocket change to them. Finding out that the world is flat would be well worth losing the money for as in revealing this, they could probably sue the space program which was meant to take them for far more than they had paid, and the added fame and money that would come with being the person who revealed the world was flat would be a bonus making it all the more likely that had it been a con, they would have come out and said. You still refuse to answer my question why they would offer it to any average joe in the first place if they wanted to keep it so secret.
Your argument here is internally contradictory. Guys to whom twenty-five million is chump change are not the same as 'average joes.'
Ta Ta. I must go and run some errands.
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They are mainly people though that $25million seems like pocket change to them. Finding out that the world is flat would be well worth losing the money for as in revealing this, they could probably sue the space program which was meant to take them for far more than they had paid, and the added fame and money that would come with being the person who revealed the world was flat would be a bonus making it all the more likely that had it been a con, they would have come out and said. You still refuse to answer my question why they would offer it to any average joe in the first place if they wanted to keep it so secret.
Your argument here is internally contradictory. Guys to whom twenty-five million is chump change are not the same as 'average joes.'
Ta Ta. I must go and run some errands.
Ooh, I hate running errands. Good luck! Hope everything goes smoothly.
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They are mainly people though that $25million seems like pocket change to them. Finding out that the world is flat would be well worth losing the money for as in revealing this, they could probably sue the space program which was meant to take them for far more than they had paid, and the added fame and money that would come with being the person who revealed the world was flat would be a bonus making it all the more likely that had it been a con, they would have come out and said. You still refuse to answer my question why they would offer it to any average joe in the first place if they wanted to keep it so secret.
Your argument here is internally contradictory. Guys to whom twenty-five million is chump change are not the same as 'average joes.'
Ta Ta. I must go and run some errands.
That doesn't really change much about my argument though. You're just using that as a way of avoiding my question. Space flights are available for $200,000, it's just a stay in orbit which costs so much money. Stop dancing around my question and give me a proper answer.
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False sense of entitlement. No one is obligated to answer your questions.
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if you guys were so sure then you wouldnt have a problem
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if you guys were so sure then you wouldnt have a problem
Ooh! You got me! ::)
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False sense of entitlement. No one is obligated to answer your questions.
No one is obligated to come up with bullshit but that doesn't stop you.
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False sense of entitlement. No one is obligated to answer your questions.
No one is obligated to come up with bullshit but that doesn't stop you.
How incredibly impressed I am. What a great way of showing how unreserved and care-free you are all the while attacking those who disagree with you. You are truly something special.
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No one cares whether you're convinced or not.
Once again, thanks for proving me right that when one of you guys is backed into a corner and has no answer, you just resort to verbal attacks
How was that a verbal attack? ???
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Quote from the FAQ:
Q: "How did NASA create these images with the computer technology available at the time?"
"A: NASA did not send rockets into space; instead, they spent a fraction of their funding on developing increasingly advanced computers and imaging software to cover their lies.
PLEASE NOTE: This means that pictures confirming the roundness of the Earth DO NOT CONSTITUTE VALID PROOF. Neither does any other experiment, theory, testimonial etc. that proves the Earth is round as we are stubborn, narrow-minded and completely oblivious to any realm of sensibility.
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Quote from the FAQ:
Q: "How did NASA create these images with the computer technology available at the time?"
"A: NASA did not send rockets into space; instead, they spent a fraction of their funding on developing increasingly advanced computers and imaging software to cover their lies.
PLEASE NOTE: This means that pictures confirming the roundness of the Earth DO NOT CONSTITUTE VALID PROOF. Neither does any other experiment, theory, testimonial etc. that proves the Earth is round as we are stubborn, narrow-minded and completely oblivious to any realm of sensibility.
Wow, ironic. I just asked how Proleg pointing out that we're not trying to convince you of anything is a verbal attack, and you follow it with a genuine verbal attack.
This is typical of REers who visit this forum; you accuse us of ignoring questions and instead "attacking" you, then ignore our questions and attack us. That's pure ignorance, you know. You are an ignorant person.
By the way, we frown down on low-content posting and flaming in the upper forums. Please don't post crap like this again. Also, note that the same goes for profanity. Both are bannable offenses.
And how about answering my question?
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Quote from the FAQ:
Q: "How did NASA create these images with the computer technology available at the time?"
"A: NASA did not send rockets into space; instead, they spent a fraction of their funding on developing increasingly advanced computers and imaging software to cover their lies.
PLEASE NOTE: This means that pictures confirming the roundness of the Earth DO NOT CONSTITUTE VALID PROOF. Neither does any other experiment, theory, testimonial etc. that proves the Earth is round as we are stubborn, narrow-minded and completely oblivious to any realm of sensibility.
Uh... that's not what it says.
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Quote from the FAQ:
Q: "How did NASA create these images with the computer technology available at the time?"
"A: NASA did not send rockets into space; instead, they spent a fraction of their funding on developing increasingly advanced computers and imaging software to cover their lies.
PLEASE NOTE: This means that pictures confirming the roundness of the Earth DO NOT CONSTITUTE VALID PROOF. Neither does any other experiment, theory, testimonial etc. that proves the Earth is round as we are stubborn, narrow-minded and completely oblivious to any realm of sensibility.
Wow, ironic. I just asked how Proleg pointing out that we're not trying to convince you of anything is a verbal attack, and you follow it with a genuine verbal attack.
This is typical of REers who visit this forum; you accuse us of ignoring questions and instead "attacking" you, then ignore our questions and attack us. That's pure ignorance, you know. You are an ignorant person.
By the way, we frown down on low-content posting and flaming in the upper forums. Please don't post crap like this again. Also, note that the same goes for profanity. Both are bannable offenses.
And how about answering my question?
Ok fine, maybe I was wrong but at least I can admit that. To be honest, ban me, I don't care, I've wasted too much time talking to you guys who seriously have no clue about science or the world etc. I was just giving you guys some of your own medicine so to speak.
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Ok fine, maybe I was wrong but at least I can admit that. To be honest, ban me, I don't care, I've wasted too much time talking to you guys who seriously have no clue about science or the world etc. I was just giving you guys some of your own medicine so to speak.
Maybe you should just go. You don't need a ban to stop wasting anymore time here.
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Ok fine, maybe I was wrong but at least I can admit that. To be honest, ban me, I don't care, I've wasted too much time talking to you guys who seriously have no clue about science or the world etc. I was just giving you guys some of your own medicine so to speak.
Maybe you should just go. You don't need a ban to stop wasting anymore time here.
Where's the fun in that though.
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Ok fine, maybe I was wrong but at least I can admit that. To be honest, ban me, I don't care, I've wasted too much time talking to you guys who seriously have no clue about science or the world etc. I was just giving you guys some of your own medicine so to speak.
Maybe you should just go. You don't need a ban to stop wasting anymore time here.
Where's the fun in that though.
Indeed, proving the Earth is round to clueless individuals such as W is quite entertaining. It's as if a specific part of their brains are missing which makes it impossible to believe the Earth is round. It's probably a very rare condition, but it explains how there are only about 20 people in the world who are FEers.
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Ok fine, maybe I was wrong but at least I can admit that. To be honest, ban me, I don't care, I've wasted too much time talking to you guys who seriously have no clue about science or the world etc. I was just giving you guys some of your own medicine so to speak.
Maybe you should just go. You don't need a ban to stop wasting anymore time here.
Where's the fun in that though.
Indeed, proving the Earth is round to clueless individuals such as W is quite entertaining. It's as if a specific part of their brains are missing which makes it impossible to believe the Earth is round. It's probably a very rare condition, but it explains how there are only about 20 people in the world who are FEers.
You know he thinks he's part of the conspiracy too!! Apparently he was meant to be an astronaut or something and NASA are paying him to keep quiet!
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i dont understand why you guys are telling nicky that she is trying to convince people, all she was doing was posting her views on here, and it says on the site that you are welcome to sceptics. so if your not prepared to listen to other views then why are you on here?
We are welcome to sceptics. We are not welcome to people so arrogant that they think everybody on this website is interested in convincing them that the Earth is flat.
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Ok fine, maybe I was wrong but at least I can admit that. To be honest, ban me, I don't care, I've wasted too much time talking to you guys who seriously have no clue about science or the world etc. I was just giving you guys some of your own medicine so to speak.
Maybe you should just go. You don't need a ban to stop wasting anymore time here.
Where's the fun in that though.
Indeed, proving the Earth is round to clueless individuals such as W is quite entertaining. It's as if a specific part of their brains are missing which makes it impossible to believe the Earth is round. It's probably a very rare condition, but it explains how there are only about 20 people in the world who are FEers.
You know he thinks he's part of the conspiracy too!! Apparently he was meant to be an astronaut or something and NASA are paying him to keep quiet!
Don't twist my words around, please.
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Ok fine, maybe I was wrong but at least I can admit that. To be honest, ban me, I don't care, I've wasted too much time talking to you guys who seriously have no clue about science or the world etc. I was just giving you guys some of your own medicine so to speak.
Maybe you should just go. You don't need a ban to stop wasting anymore time here.
Where's the fun in that though.
Indeed, proving the Earth is round to clueless individuals such as W is quite entertaining. It's as if a specific part of their brains are missing which makes it impossible to believe the Earth is round. It's probably a very rare condition, but it explains how there are only about 20 people in the world who are FEers.
You know he thinks he's part of the conspiracy too!! Apparently he was meant to be an astronaut or something and NASA are paying him to keep quiet!
Don't twist my words around, please.
What is your involvement then?
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Who's trying to convince you of anything?
I see the whole point of this site is not to try and convince people that the earth is flat.
It has achieved it's objective.
Unnecessary apostrophe. Ouch. Way to lay down the punch, Duke Felchface.
Unecessary perhaps.
Like going into a war with to many bullets, you can never have to many apostrophe's.
I. Love. You.
Same.
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Nicky's point with anyone who has the money can go into space was pretty good, I thought. You say you're not obligated to answer what she says, but this is a debate forum, isn't it? Shouldn't a flat earther here explain to her how and why her point is flawed, instead of saying "We're not obligated to answer your questions." I thought you guys wanted more people to see the truth? Well, you're not doing a very good job at that.
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What exactly was her question again? I sure can't go into space.
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I thought you guys wanted more people to see the truth?
How did you get that impression?
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I thought you guys wanted more people to see the truth?
How did you get that impression?
Why else would this site exist? Why isn't it all just crammed into the flat earth believers section?
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I thought you guys wanted more people to see the truth?
How did you get that impression?
Why else would this site exist? Why isn't it all just crammed into the flat earth believers section?
Sir, I strongly suggest you lurk moar.
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I thought you guys wanted more people to see the truth?
How did you get that impression?
Why else would this site exist? Why isn't it all just crammed into the flat earth believers section?
Because that section is hard to gain access to. I tried and was told no. :(
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Hi guys,
This conversation seems to have devolved from some politely made points in to what seems the script for a precusor to a bar fight (that would cool BTW)
Maybe we should look at Nicky's questions.. (my summaries BTW)
1)Just because it looks flat at close range does'nt mean it is is flat (more a statement than a question).
A good point but needs to be related to something.
2)FE ers seem close minded and dogmatic (also a statement).
True, but that does not make them wrong.
3) Rowbothams Experiment was probably wrong (also a statement)
I would add further to that. When three poles where put in the Bedford canal and measured with a thedolite, the experiment showed the water surface was curved, as would be expected in RE theory.
Rowbotham's Bedford Level experiment was executed inaccurately, and has been decisively proved wrong.
4) The conspiracy theory is stupid (also a statement)
I consider the conspircy theory utterly implausible.
5) Dark Matter would interfere with the "gravity replacement" theory in FE.
Interesting. I don't agree with it. And there are many much more simple points that can blow holes through FE theory, than relying on Dark Matter (which is still relatively not well understood).
Nicky; what you should learn from this is you need to pose intelligent and pertinent questions, otherwise these guys will drive the whole conversation off the road.
I am learning this too. I am still waiting for one of them to take me on intellectually and honestly, as given half a chance, they won't.
As this thread demonstrates.
Cheers
Oscarg
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I have some thoughts I'd like to share.
2)FE ers seem close minded and dogmatic (also a statement).
True, but that does not make them wrong.
Actually, it is our open mindedness that allows us to be flat earthers. We were all at one time indoctrinated to believe the earth was a sphere; it took a great amount of open mindedness to observe new ideas and realize that our previously held beliefs were incorrect.
4) The conspiracy theory is stupid (also a statement)
I consider the conspircy theory utterly implausible.
Why?
I am still waiting for one of them to take me on intellectually and honestly, as given half a chance, they won't.
As this thread demonstrates.
Not so. Flat earthers are intelligent people who love a good, high quality discussion. You have a lot of ideas to share, perhaps it would be best to divide them up into smaller, "bite-size" threads to generate more responses.
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I have some thoughts I'd like to share.
2)FE ers seem close minded and dogmatic (also a statement).
True, but that does not make them wrong.
Actually, it is our open mindedness that allows us to be flat earthers. We were all at one time indoctrinated to believe the earth was a sphere; it took a great amount of open mindedness to observe new ideas and realize that our previously held beliefs were incorrect.
I completely agree with you here.
I am open to any observations, but ultimately we have to rely on evidence.
In particular I am looking for reproduceable experiments.
The idea that people are performing intelligent inquiry into subjects I had written off as solved, makes me feel good (because what if I'm wrong)
4) The conspiracy theory is stupid (also a statement)
I consider the conspircy theory utterly implausible.
Why?
1) The cost
2) There is no motive
3) There is no evidence
4) It is such a big undertaking, it could not be kept secret
5) Machine guns don't work at -20 Centigrade (joke BTW)
I am still waiting for one of them to take me on intellectually and honestly, as given half a chance, they won't.
As this thread demonstrates.
Not so. Flat earthers are intelligent people who love a good, high quality discussion. You have a lot of ideas to share, perhaps it would be best to divide them up into smaller, "bite-size" threads to generate more responses.
I have raised several key points in other threads that I feel are central to this subject.
Not one point has been seriously contested.
I have had the spelling questioned,
I have had the canned "It would be the same under FE theory" answer - it wouldnt BTW, or I wouldnt have raised it.
My last one got moved to "Angry Rants" - there was nothing angry about it.
I appreciate your point about making "bite size" points. I may do just that - thanks.
I look forward to having a discussion about this in a disciplined scientific way, hopefully I can clear any preconceived ideas I have, and just look at the facts.
Thanks W
:)
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1) The cost
It costs much less to fake a space program than to actually have one.
2) There is no motive
Money can be a surprisingly good motivator.
3) There is no evidence
There is actually quite a bit of evidence.
4) It is such a big undertaking, it could not be kept secret
Only a few people have to know about it. The rest of the NASA employees only know what they see on a TV screen.
5) Machine guns don't work at -20 Centigrade (joke BTW)
I don't see how this is relevant.
Not one point has been seriously contested.
I've contested quite a few of your points.
I have had the spelling questioned,
In all fairness, I believe that was markjo who questioned your spelling and he is actually a round earther (I think).
I have had the canned "It would be the same under FE theory" answer - it wouldnt BTW, or I wouldnt have raised it.
I don't know the specifics of the situation and cannot comment.
My last one got moved to "Angry Rants" - there was nothing angry about it.
I'm not sure who moved it there but it was moved back.
I appreciate your point about making "bite size" points. I may do just that - thanks.
I look forward to having a discussion about this in a disciplined scientific way, hopefully I can clear any preconceived ideas I have, and just look at the facts.
Thanks W
:)
Aw, that's sweet of you. :)
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1) The cost
It costs much less to fake a space program than to actually have one.
Cost of McMurdo Base per year $197M (1997 price)
Estimate 72 similar bases (500 kms apart for 36,600 kms - estimate of perimeter)
Annual cost (72 x 197) = circa $14 Billion per year.
Total cost of the space shuttle program -> $145 billion over 23 years
Annual cost $6 Billion per year
2) There is no motive
Money can be a surprisingly good motivator.
This is true, but what possible money could be made by pretending the earth is round when it is flat?
3) There is no evidence
There is actually quite a bit of evidence.
Please present one example, preferably independantly confirmable.
4) It is such a big undertaking, it could not be kept secret
Only a few people have to know about it. The rest of the NASA employees only know what they see on a TV screen.
Sorry to be crass, but President Clinton could'nt keep 1 BJ secret, and only 2 people knew about that.
The onsite staff at the bases would be at least 1000.
Life "In the Freezer" over winter causes many psychological problems, you get an extreme version of cabin fever (apparently everyone gets it sooner or later) because of this, there is a very high turnover of staff.
Every country in the world with a space program (there are at least 30) would have to be complicite with the conspiracy
This includes Russia and the USA during the cold war. The is entirely unlikely.
5) Machine guns don't work at -20 Centigrade (joke BTW)
I don't see how this is relevant.
It was a joke :) - it was in part a parody of the flippant nature with which (what I have read about) this conspiracy seems flung together.
Not one point has been seriously contested.
I've contested quite a few of your points.
Thanks :)
My last one got moved to "Angry Rants" - there was nothing angry about it.
I'm not sure who moved it there but it was moved back.
Thank you very much.
I appreciate it :)
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2) There is no motive
Money can be a surprisingly good motivator.
This is true, but what possible money could be made by pretending the earth is round when it is flat?
I think it's more space travel is impossible in the FET so NASA doesn't know the earth is flat.
I suggest you read the FAQ, as it is exasperating when people bring up things that have been one of the few well explained things in the FAQ.
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This is true, but what possible money could be made by pretending the earth is round when it is flat?
They don't get money from pretending the earth is round, but from faking a space program. They get the funding, use some of it to fake the program, and pocket the rest. Everyone thought the earth was round so it just made sense to fake it that way.
Please present one example, preferably independantly confirmable.
Well, for one, 5 of the 6 astro-nots who supposedly went to the moon refused to swear on the bible that it was so. Also, it's been proven on this board in many different ways that the earth is flat; following that, the program must be fake because it shows the earth as being round.
Sorry to be crass, but President Clinton could'nt keep 1 BJ secret, and only 2 people knew about that.
Ahaha! But President Clinton probably didn't know about it.
The onsite staff at the bases would be at least 1000.
Life "In the Freezer" over winter causes many psychological problems, you get an extreme version of cabin fever (apparently everyone gets it sooner or later) because of this, there is a very high turnover of staff.
Every country in the world with a space program (there are at least 30) would have to be complicite with the conspiracy
This includes Russia and the USA during the cold war. The is entirely unlikely.
They have their own conspiracies. Most of the staff only knows what is shown to them on a television screen.
Thank you very much.
I appreciate it :)
Thank you.
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Well, for one, 5 of the 6 astro-nots who supposedly went to the moon refused to swear on the bible that it was so.
There have been more than 6 astronauts who have gone to the moon. It is quite possible that the 5 (unnamed) astronauts were atheists who would consider it hypocritical to swear on the bible. I have refused to swear on the bible a number of times for the same reason. It doesn't mean I was going to lie.
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Not only that, one of them got so angry that he actually punched the guy. All of them responded with overdone indignation. There's a video on Google Video. Search Google to see it.
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I've seen it, It was Buzz Aldrin and he was called a liar to his face. I'd have punched the guy under the same circumstances.
So who were the others?
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I've seen it, It was Buzz Aldrin and he was called a liar to his face. I'd have punched the guy under the same circumstances.
You mean if you'd pretended you'd been to the moon and someone asked you to swear on the bible but you knew you hadn't really you'd get so angry and perplexed that you'd punch him in the face?
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I've seen it, It was Buzz Aldrin and he was called a liar to his face. I'd have punched the guy under the same circumstances.
You mean if you'd pretended you'd been to the moon and someone asked you to swear on the bible but you knew you hadn't really you'd get so angry and perplexed that you'd punch him in the face?
Or if you'd been to the moon, sacrificing your family life, overcoming perils that had taken the lives of several coworkers, being part of one of the most monumental achievements in the history of mankind, only to have some douchbag insist you jump through his sad little attention-seeking hoops.
*smack*
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Personally, if I really had been to the moon and someone came up to me with that, I would have shrugged unemotionally and said, "Alright," then proceeded to swear on the bible that I really had been to the moon. I then would have thanked him for his interest, waved to the camera, and been on my way. What would I care?
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What would I care?
Because it's insultingly stupid to suggest that they didn't go to the moon. Without further details I think it's safe to say the guy was a prick and deserved what he got. Prove me wrong.
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Prove me wrong.
This is what round earthers often do. They demand proof of claims then try to find one reason why one small part of that proof could be invalid.
How about this: What proof is there that we actually DID go to the moon?
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Prove me wrong.
This is what round earthers often do. They demand proof of claims then try to find one reason why one small part of that proof could be invalid.
How about this: What proof is there that we actually DID go to the moon?
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/missions/apollo/apollo_11/experiments/lrr/
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/missions/apollo/apollo_15/experiments/lrr/
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I've seen it, It was Buzz Aldrin and he was called a liar to his face. I'd have punched the guy under the same circumstances.
You mean if you'd pretended you'd been to the moon and someone asked you to swear on the bible but you knew you hadn't really you'd get so angry and perplexed that you'd punch him in the face?
If you watch the videos closer, you will notice that the guy (Bart Sibrel) was a real ass. He pretty much ambushed the astronauts, called them liars and cowards then demanded that they swear on a bible. If he had been more civil about it, I'm thinking that the results would have been far different.
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Please present one example, preferably independantly confirmable.
Well, for one, 5 of the 6 astro-nots who supposedly went to the moon refused to swear on the bible that it was so. Also, it's been proven on this board in many different ways that the earth is flat; following that, the program must be fake because it shows the earth as being round.
Please present one example, preferably independantly confirmable.
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Please present one example, preferably independantly confirmable.
Well, for one, 5 of the 6 astro-nots who supposedly went to the moon refused to swear on the bible that it was so. Also, it's been proven on this board in many different ways that the earth is flat; following that, the program must be fake because it shows the earth as being round.
Please present one example, preferably independantly confirmable.
Don't you remember? I'm done with your game of "Prove me wrong."
This is what round earthers often do. They demand proof of claims then try to find one reason why one small part of that proof could be invalid.
How about this: What proof is there that we actually DID go to the moon?
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Please present one example, preferably independantly confirmable.
Well, for one, 5 of the 6 astro-nots who supposedly went to the moon refused to swear on the bible that it was so. Also, it's been proven on this board in many different ways that the earth is flat; following that, the program must be fake because it shows the earth as being round.
Please present one example, preferably independantly confirmable.
Don't you remember? I'm done with your game of "Prove me wrong."
You don't see where I am coming from.. I am not trying to prove anything.
I am giving you an opportunity to let me understand why you think this (yes I want to know).
This was question 3 (Evidence).
You said there was evidence - show me - please - why do you think this?
Help me understand.
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Like I said, the earth has been proven flat through logic/reason, therefore the moon landing must be fake. This is further propelled by the fact that 5 of the 6 astro-nots refused to swear on the bible that they'd actually been to the moon.
You can find entire websites dedicated to exposing this with a Google search for "moon landing hoax." They've found flaws in the supposed "moon pictures," analyzed the body language of people when they claim they've been to the moon (and found that based on it they were being dishonest), and found inconsistencies in the studio-taken photos/videos (the images of the earth, for example, are actually inconsistent with the RET model).
Now, I am asking the same of you. What proof is there that we actually did land on the moon? Help me understand why you think this. Don't just try to find one small part of one piece of evidence that I presented that you think isn't right; present some of your own.
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Like I said, the earth has been proven flat through logic/reason, therefore the moon landing must be fake. This is further propelled by the fact that 5 of the 6 astro-nots refused to swear on the bible that they'd actually been to the moon.
To Me this is proof of nothing. If you look at it from either angle it seems to back up the point ie the Astronauts are lying, or the no landing whackos are idiots chasing old astronauts around with bibles, rather than looking for real proof.
Under any circumstances this is not evidence, it is more like hear/say or "He Said/She said" Fuff.
For all we know they could ALL be actors, pushing a third conspiracy none of us know about, but we won't know because it is not evidence.
You can find entire websites dedicated to exposing this with a Google search for "moon landing hoax." They've found flaws in the supposed "moon pictures," analyzed the body language of people when they claim they've been to the moon (and found that based on it they were being dishonest), and found inconsistencies in the studio-taken photos/videos (the images of the earth, for example, are actually inconsistent with the RET model).
Maybe you have confused this thread with another, we were talking about the conspiracy, that has the guys with machine guns manning the ice wall, which surrounds the earth, that someone is keeping the flat earth a secret (etc etc)
and you claimed there was evidence to back that up.
I ask again for for one example of that evidence.
Now, I am asking the same of you. What proof is there that we actually did land on the moon? Help me understand why you think this. Don't just try to find one small part of one piece of evidence that I presented that you think isn't right; present some of your own.
The Moon Landing is an entirely different topic.
I would gladly discuss it, and the tremendous work that went into it, and the amzing fields that it opened up in the study of many different parts of science, but that is for another thread.
We are discussing here Flat Earth, and specifically proof of the conspiracy which hides it.
thanks
OscarG
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Maybe you have confused this thread with another, we were talking about the conspiracy, that has the guys with machine guns manning the ice wall, which surrounds the earth, that someone is keeping the flat earth a secret (etc etc)
I'm pretty sure we were talking about the moon landing. But I don't think there are machine guns manning the ice wall.
The Moon Landing is an entirely different topic.
I would gladly discuss it, and the tremendous work that went into it, and the amzing fields that it opened up in the study of many different parts of science, but that is for another thread.
We are discussing here Flat Earth, and specifically proof of the conspiracy which hides it.
They are different but I'm pretty sure that we've been discussing the moon landing hoax, if you scroll up.
Still, I've noticed that you did not heed my request...
Don't just try to find one small part of one piece of evidence that I presented that you think isn't right; present some of your own.
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Like I said, the earth has been proven flat through logic/reason, therefore the moon landing must be fake. This is further propelled by the fact that 5 of the 6 astro-nots refused to swear on the bible that they'd actually been to the moon.
Twelve men have walked on the moon. Their footprints are there, and will still be there long after the FES has disappeared. Where you get the idea there were just 6 from I don't know.
HTH
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Twelve men have walked on the moon. Their footprints are there, and will still be there long after the FES has disappeared. Where you get the idea there were just 6 from I don't know.
HTH
What makes you think their footprints are there? The evidence I gave is all identifiable but because there is no way to tell if their footprints are there or not it cannot count as evidence to either side. If they had actually gone, their footprints would be there, however, they didn't, so they're not.
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What makes you think there were only 6 astronauts that (to your mind supposedly) went to the moon?
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Because it's insultingly stupid to suggest that they didn't go to the moon. Without further details I think it's safe to say the guy was a prick and deserved what he got. Prove me wrong.
This is what round earthers often do. They demand proof of claims then try to find one reason why one small part of that proof could be invalid.
How about this: What proof is there that we actually DID go to the moon?
Well, I've had her up on the hydraulics and it's bad new I'm afraid sir. That banging noise... that was your sense of humour. It's failing bad, which is what's causing all that noise. It'll probably be a week before I can get the replacement part in.
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What makes you think there were only 6 astronauts that (to your mind supposedly) went to the moon?
I don't... I think there are 0 astro-nots who went to the moon.
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What makes you think there were only 6 astronauts that (to your mind supposedly) went to the moon?
I don't... I think there are 0 astro-nots who went to the moon.
Your earlier post said that 5 of the 6 astro-nots; 5 of the 12 would have been more accurate
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What makes you think there were only 6 astronauts that (to your mind supposedly) went to the moon?
I don't... I think there are 0 astro-nots who went to the moon.
Your earlier post said that 5 of the 6 astro-nots; 5 of the 12 would have been more accurate
More like 5 of the 0.
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What makes you think there were only 6 astronauts that (to your mind supposedly) went to the moon?
I don't... I think there are 0 astro-nots who went to the moon.
Your earlier post said that 5 of the 6 astro-nots; 5 of the 12 would have been more accurate
More like 5 of the 0.
FE logic
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What makes you think there were only 6 astronauts that (to your mind supposedly) went to the moon?
I don't... I think there are 0 astro-nots who went to the moon.
Your earlier post said that 5 of the 6 astro-nots; 5 of the 12 would have been more accurate
More like 5 of the 0.
FE logic
is logic. RE logic is delusion.
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More like 5 of the 0.
Please explain 5 of the 0
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More like 5 of the 0.
Please explain 5 of the 0
Explain yourself.
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What makes you think there were only 6 astronauts that (to your mind supposedly) went to the moon?
I don't... I think there are 0 astro-nots who went to the moon.
How about this: Why did you think only 6 astronauts claimed to have been on the moon? Why did you use that number?
I think you know exactly what we are asking here and are just being difficult.
Out with it.
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More like 5 of the 0.
Please explain 5 of the 0
Explain yourself.
If you have difficulty in explaining what 5 of the 0 means you shouldn't use it. I understand '5 of the 6 refused to swear on the bible' - it means one was happy to swear on the bible but I don't understand '5 of the 0'. It is gobbledygook as you well know.