The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: nerd51075 on September 05, 2009, 09:43:25 PM
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I have for you all a simple observation which supports the belief that the Earth is round: the existence of the horizon. The horizon can be seen incredibly clearly from any ocean. The horizon is caused by the curvature of the Earth. Standing on a shore of the Atlantic Ocean in America, looking east, one cannot see Europe. If you have one, I kindly request an explanation from a Flat Earth Theorist.
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It's a perspective effect, one described in "Earth Not a Globe". There is a copy of it free online. Also, have you read the FAQ? If not, read it.
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It's a perspective effect, one described in "Earth Not a Globe". There is a copy of it free online. Also, have you read the FAQ? If not, read it.
Do you have a link to the book? Air is also not transparent, as we can easily see objects such as stars and the moon from the Earth's surface, which are incredibly far away from the Earth.
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It's a perspective effect, one described in "Earth Not a Globe". There is a copy of it free online. Also, have you read the FAQ? If not, read it.
Do you have a link to the book? Air is also not transparent, as we can easily see objects such as stars and the moon from the Earth's surface, which are incredibly far away from the Earth.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za00.htm
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It's a perspective effect, one described in "Earth Not a Globe". There is a copy of it free online. Also, have you read the FAQ? If not, read it.
Do you have a link to the book? Air is also not transparent, as we can easily see objects such as stars and the moon from the Earth's surface, which are incredibly far away from the Earth.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za00.htm
Thank you for the link. I am afraid, though, that I will not be convinced the earth is flat; there is simply too much evidence supporting its roundness.
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Thank you for the link. I am afraid, though, that I will not be convinced the earth is flat; there is simply too much evidence supporting its roundness.
Behold, the dogma of a REer.
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It's a perspective effect, one described in "Earth Not a Globe". There is a copy of it free online. Also, have you read the FAQ? If not, read it.
Do you have a link to the book? Air is also not transparent, as we can easily see objects such as stars and the moon from the Earth's surface, which are incredibly far away from the Earth.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za00.htm
Thank you for the link. I am afraid, though, that I will not be convinced the earth is flat; there is simply too much evidence supporting its roundness.
Then why are you on a website for debating the shape of the earth?
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It's a perspective effect, one described in "Earth Not a Globe". There is a copy of it free online. Also, have you read the FAQ? If not, read it.
Do you have a link to the book? Air is also not transparent, as we can easily see objects such as stars and the moon from the Earth's surface, which are incredibly far away from the Earth.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za00.htm
Thank you for the link. I am afraid, though, that I will not be convinced the earth is flat; there is simply too much evidence supporting its roundness.
Then why are you on a website for debating the shape of the earth?
I am fairly skilled in the art of physics, and am skilled in debate. I have the capacity to understand my opponent in a debate, but remain unchanged in my opinion. Your evidence is shaky at best, while hundreds of thousands of scientists who preceded us, including some of the greatest minds in the history of society, support Round Earth theory, as does virtually all of the evidence ever accumulated by science. I find that Round Earth simply makes more sense, as many of the major scientific theories Fit in a Round Earth scenario. I am however intrigued to see a point of view I never have before. The people who believe the Earth is flat probably also believe that 9/11 was a inside job. You all are just wannabe rebels who are too scared to do anything major or revolutionary. You have the gall to imply me being ignorant for knowing the Earth is round, while you at the same time cannot accept that the Earth is not flat. You have no room to talk about me. Go back to your room and cry yourself to sleep because your parents told you there was never a jolly old man in a red suit who brings you presents every Christmas.
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It's a perspective effect, one described in "Earth Not a Globe". There is a copy of it free online. Also, have you read the FAQ? If not, read it.
Do you have a link to the book? Air is also not transparent, as we can easily see objects such as stars and the moon from the Earth's surface, which are incredibly far away from the Earth.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za00.htm
Thank you for the link. I am afraid, though, that I will not be convinced the earth is flat; there is simply too much evidence supporting its roundness.
Then why are you on a website for debating the shape of the earth?
I am fairly skilled in the art of physics, and am skilled in debate. I have the capacity to understand my opponent in a debate, but remain unchanged in my opinion. Your evidence is shaky at best, while hundreds of thousands of scientists who preceded us, including some of the greatest minds in the history of society, support Round Earth theory, as does virtually all of the evidence ever accumulated by science. I find that Round Earth simply makes more sense, as many of the major scientific theories Fit in a Round Earth scenario. I am however intrigued to see a point of view I never have before. The people who believe the Earth is flat probably also believe that 9/11 was a inside job. You all are just wannabe rebels who are too scared to do anything major or revolutionary. You have the gall to imply me being ignorant for knowing the Earth is round, while you at the same time cannot accept that the Earth is not flat. You have no room to talk about me. Go back to your room and cry yourself to sleep because your parents told you there was never a jolly old man in a red suit who brings you presents every Christmas.
You will fit in nicely here (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?board=4.0)
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The people who believe the Earth is flat probably also believe that 9/11 was a inside job.
Why should a correlation exist? The shape of the Earth has nothing to do with international terrorism.
You have the gall to imply me being ignorant for knowing the Earth is round, while you at the same time cannot accept that the Earth is not flat.
No, you are ignorant because you make sweeping statements about Flat Earthers without bothering to educate yourself regarding Flat Earth Theory. We do not accept the Earth is not flat because we do not see substantial evidence for such a statement, but few of us would seriously claim to know the shape of the Earth as you do. The delusion of certain knowledge is the worst form of ignorance of them all.
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The people who believe the Earth is flat probably also believe that 9/11 was a inside job.
Why should a correlation exist? The shape of the Earth has nothing to do with international terrorism.
You have the gall to imply me being ignorant for knowing the Earth is round, while you at the same time cannot accept that the Earth is not flat.
No, you are ignorant because you make sweeping statements about Flat Earthers without bothering to educate yourself regarding Flat Earth Theory. We do not accept the Earth is not flat because we do not see substantial evidence for such a statement, but few of us would seriously claim to know the shape of the Earth as you do. The delusion of certain knowledge is the worst form of ignorance of them all.
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The people who believe the Earth is flat probably also believe that 9/11 was a inside job.
Why should a correlation exist? The shape of the Earth has nothing to do with international terrorism.
You have the gall to imply me being ignorant for knowing the Earth is round, while you at the same time cannot accept that the Earth is not flat.
No, you are ignorant because you make sweeping statements about Flat Earthers without bothering to educate yourself regarding Flat Earth Theory. We do not accept the Earth is not flat because we do not see substantial evidence for such a statement, but few of us would seriously claim to know the shape of the Earth as you do. The delusion of certain knowledge is the worst form of ignorance of them all.
But you claim to know that the Earth is not round. You also have no room to talk. Hypocrisy at its finest.
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But you claim to know that the Earth is not round.
I am going to have to ask you to quote me having said any such thing, otherwise this statement constitutes libel.
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But you claim to know that the Earth is not round.
I am going to have to ask you to quote me having said any such thing, otherwise this statement constitutes libel.
You are here, claiming the Earth is flat. To make such a bold assertion requires some certainty in and of itself. If you are allowed to make assumptions about the Earth, I am allowed to make assumptions about you.
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But you claim to know that the Earth is not round.
I am going to have to ask you to quote me having said any such thing, otherwise this statement constitutes libel.
You are here, claiming the Earth is flat. To make such a bold assertion requires some certainty in and of itself. If you are allowed to make assumptions about the Earth, I am allowed to make assumptions about you.
He believes the Earth is flat. You don't need to agree.
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I am fairly skilled in the art of physics, and am skilled in debate.
I'm intrigued and would like to know more about the Art of Physics. Is this a new field?
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You are here, claiming the Earth is flat.
Libel is illegal, you know.
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And you cannot win a debate with robosteve.
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I am fairly skilled in the art of physics, and am skilled in debate.
I'm intrigued and would like to know more about the Art of Physics. Is this a new field?
Do not mock me. I am more intelligent than almost anybody who supports Flat Earth seriously.
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You're not showing it.
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You are here, claiming the Earth is flat.
Libel is illegal, you know.
I can't really say that I care. The Earth is round I am afraid, plus half of you are calling me ignorant. Now the shoe is on the other foot.
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I am fairly skilled in the art of physics, and am skilled in debate.
I'm intrigued and would like to know more about the Art of Physics. Is this a new field?
Do not mock me. I am more intelligent than almost anybody who supports Flat Earth seriously.
I have an IQ of 219 and a PhD in Science.
This "lying on the internet" thing sure is fun!
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And you cannot win a debate with robosteve.
Watch me.
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I am fairly skilled in the art of physics, and am skilled in debate.
I'm intrigued and would like to know more about the Art of Physics. Is this a new field?
Do not mock me. I am more intelligent than almost anybody who supports Flat Earth seriously.
Luckily you left yourself some wiggle-room with that 'almost.'
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You're not showing it.
Nor are you, I am afraid. You posted in this thread to flame me. That is not exactly what I call intelligence.
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I can't really say that I care.
I have reported your post for libel. I trust that the board staff will take appropriate action.
The Earth is round I am afraid
Do you have any evidence for this claim?
plus half of you are calling me ignorant.
You are ignorant, not to mention arrogant. You think that it is possible to know the shape of the Earth for certain, and that you hold that knowledge.
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I am fairly skilled in the art of physics, and am skilled in debate.
I'm intrigued and would like to know more about the Art of Physics. Is this a new field?
Do not mock me. I am more intelligent than almost anybody who supports Flat Earth seriously.
I have an IQ of 219 and a PhD in Science.
This "lying on the internet" thing sure is fun!
What school? What year did you recieve your Ph.D? What branch of science was you major? Why do you buy into all this crap about a flat Earth, or are you here to flame me as well?
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No one is flaming you, you just don't know how to debate. You lose.
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The horizon is just how far you can see, which is influenced by many factors such as air density.
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I am fairly skilled in the art of physics, and am skilled in debate.
I'm intrigued and would like to know more about the Art of Physics. Is this a new field?
Do not mock me. I am more intelligent than almost anybody who supports Flat Earth seriously.
I have an IQ of 219 and a PhD in Science.
This "lying on the internet" thing sure is fun!
What school? What year did you recieve your Ph.D? What branch of science was you major? Why do you buy into all this crap about a flat Earth, or are you here to flame me as well?
I got it from the Science Academy. 1969 (*snigger*) I already told you, in Science. Because it is the logical choice, and No one is flaming you, you just don't know how to debate. You lose.
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I can't really say that I care.
I have reported your post for libel. I trust that the board staff will take appropriate action.
Good.
The Earth is round I am afraid
Do you have any evidence for this claim?
One can travel around the world from North to South, The Guiness Book of World Records has strict guidelines for these kinds of things, and as a successful company, is incredibly hard to keep quiet under your conspiracies.
plus half of you are calling me ignorant.
You are ignorant, not to mention arrogant. You think that it is possible to know the shape of the Earth for certain, and that you hold that knowledge.
Some call it arrogance, i call it pride. It is possible to know this. It has been proven by Johannes Kepler, i believe, either that or he proved that this system was impossible.
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No one is flaming you, you just don't know how to debate. You lose.
You call that an argument?
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No one is flaming you, you just don't know how to debate. You lose.
You call that an argument?
What? That's a statement.
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The Earth is round I am afraid
Do you have any evidence for this claim?
One can travel around the world from North to South, The Guiness Book of World Records has strict guidelines for these kinds of things, and as a successful company, is incredibly hard to keep quiet under your conspiracies.
What do you mean from north to south? Are you saying it isn't possible to travel from north to south in FE?
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The horizon is just how far you can see, which is influenced by many factors such as air density.
Also by the curvature of the Earth. Air is essentially transparent. No Earthly amount of air can completely obscure ones vision. Light-years away from us are several galaxies that we see in the night sky. are you claiming that they are all lying on the top of Earth's atmosphere? What makes Earth so special in that regard? Doesn't a more uniform universe make more sense from a scientific viewpoint.
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The Earth is round I am afraid
Do you have any evidence for this claim?
One can travel around the world from North to South, The Guiness Book of World Records has strict guidelines for these kinds of things, and as a successful company, is incredibly hard to keep quiet under your conspiracies.
What do you mean from north to south? Are you saying it isn't possible to travel from north to south in FE?
According to most FE models, North-South circumnavigation is impossible due to an ice wall.
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No one is flaming you, you just don't know how to debate. You lose.
You call that an argument?
What? That's a statement.
You are attempting to discredit me. That can be construed as an argument for your side, as discrediting me can discredit my thoughts.
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(http://jamie-online.com/random-jamz/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/facepalm.jpg)
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I am fairly skilled in the art of physics, and am skilled in debate.
I'm intrigued and would like to know more about the Art of Physics. Is this a new field?
Do not mock me. I am more intelligent than almost anybody who supports Flat Earth seriously.
I have an IQ of 219 and a PhD in Science.
This "lying on the internet" thing sure is fun!
What school? What year did you recieve your Ph.D? What branch of science was you major? Why do you buy into all this crap about a flat Earth, or are you here to flame me as well?
I got it from the Science Academy. 1969 (*snigger*) I already told you, in Science. Because it is the logical choice, and No one is flaming you, you just don't know how to debate. You lose.
You didn't answer my third question. What branch of science was your major. I am suspecting you to be lying about your credentials. Pics of your degree or it didn't happen, as you would put it.
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The horizon is just how far you can see, which is influenced by many factors such as air density.
Also by the curvature of the Earth. Air is essentially transparent. No Earthly amount of air can completely obscure ones vision. Light-years away from us are several galaxies that we see in the night sky. are you claiming that they are all lying on the top of Earth's atmosphere? What makes Earth so special in that regard? Doesn't a more uniform universe make more sense from a scientific viewpoint.
Actually, air isn't transparent... you can't see forever. Also, you can't see galaxies several light years away... this is RET.
Earth is special. There really is nothing like it. It stands at the center of the universe and is the only thing in the universe that can support life. The entire universe exists for earth's benefit.
The Earth is round I am afraid
Do you have any evidence for this claim?
One can travel around the world from North to South, The Guiness Book of World Records has strict guidelines for these kinds of things, and as a successful company, is incredibly hard to keep quiet under your conspiracies.
What do you mean from north to south? Are you saying it isn't possible to travel from north to south in FE?
According to most FE models, North-South circumnavigation is impossible due to an ice wall.
It wouldn't be possible in RET either, because in RET the earth is spinning horizontally.
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(http://jamie-online.com/random-jamz/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/facepalm.jpg)
What is this? 4chan?
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You are slow, he clearly said he was lying, by doing so implying you were lying.
"This lying on the internet thing sure is fun"
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I am fairly skilled in the art of physics, and am skilled in debate.
I'm intrigued and would like to know more about the Art of Physics. Is this a new field?
Do not mock me. I am more intelligent than almost anybody who supports Flat Earth seriously.
I have an IQ of 219 and a PhD in Science.
This "lying on the internet" thing sure is fun!
What school? What year did you recieve your Ph.D? What branch of science was you major? Why do you buy into all this crap about a flat Earth, or are you here to flame me as well?
I got it from the Science Academy. 1969 (*snigger*) I already told you, in Science. Because it is the logical choice, and No one is flaming you, you just don't know how to debate. You lose.
You didn't answer my third question. What branch of science was your major. I am suspecting you to be lying about your credentials. Pics of your degree or it didn't happen, as you would put it.
What are you talking about "branch"? I told you, I got the degree in Science. Can I have your fax line? I will see if I can fax you a copy.
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The horizon is just how far you can see, which is influenced by many factors such as air density.
Also by the curvature of the Earth. Air is essentially transparent. No Earthly amount of air can completely obscure ones vision. Light-years away from us are several galaxies that we see in the night sky. are you claiming that they are all lying on the top of Earth's atmosphere? What makes Earth so special in that regard? Doesn't a more uniform universe make more sense from a scientific viewpoint.
Actually, air isn't transparent... you can't see forever. Also, you can't see galaxies several light years away... this is RET.
Earth is special. There really is nothing like it. It stands at the center of the universe and is the only thing in the universe that can support life. The entire universe exists for earth's benefit.
The Earth is round I am afraid
Do you have any evidence for this claim?
One can travel around the world from North to South, The Guiness Book of World Records has strict guidelines for these kinds of things, and as a successful company, is incredibly hard to keep quiet under your conspiracies.
What do you mean from north to south? Are you saying it isn't possible to travel from north to south in FE?
According to most FE models, North-South circumnavigation is impossible due to an ice wall.
It wouldn't be possible in RET either, because in RET the earth is spinning horizontally.
Geocentrism has also been essentially disproven by Copernicus.
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I am fairly skilled in the art of physics, and am skilled in debate.
I'm intrigued and would like to know more about the Art of Physics. Is this a new field?
Do not mock me. I am more intelligent than almost anybody who supports Flat Earth seriously.
I have an IQ of 219 and a PhD in Science.
This "lying on the internet" thing sure is fun!
What school? What year did you recieve your Ph.D? What branch of science was you major? Why do you buy into all this crap about a flat Earth, or are you here to flame me as well?
I got it from the Science Academy. 1969 (*snigger*) I already told you, in Science. Because it is the logical choice, and No one is flaming you, you just don't know how to debate. You lose.
You didn't answer my third question. What branch of science was your major. I am suspecting you to be lying about your credentials. Pics of your degree or it didn't happen, as you would put it.
What are you talking about "branch"? I told you, I got the degree in Science. Can I have your fax line? I will see if I can fax you a copy.
You clearly are not a scientist. You are not interested in the search for knowledge. There are several branches of Science, and in order to get a Doctorate, one must specialize. No one can have a doctorate in all branches of Science. Like I said earlier, you are a wannabe rebel, but are too afraid to do anything drastic.
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I am fairly skilled in the art of physics, and am skilled in debate.
I'm intrigued and would like to know more about the Art of Physics. Is this a new field?
Do not mock me. I am more intelligent than almost anybody who supports Flat Earth seriously.
I have an IQ of 219 and a PhD in Science.
This "lying on the internet" thing sure is fun!
What school? What year did you recieve your Ph.D? What branch of science was you major? Why do you buy into all this crap about a flat Earth, or are you here to flame me as well?
I got it from the Science Academy. 1969 (*snigger*) I already told you, in Science. Because it is the logical choice, and No one is flaming you, you just don't know how to debate. You lose.
You didn't answer my third question. What branch of science was your major. I am suspecting you to be lying about your credentials. Pics of your degree or it didn't happen, as you would put it.
What are you talking about "branch"? I told you, I got the degree in Science. Can I have your fax line? I will see if I can fax you a copy.
You clearly are not a scientist. You are not interested in the search for knowledge. There are several branches of Science, and in order to get a Doctorate, one must specialize. No one can have a doctorate in all branches of Science.
Are you suggesting that I am lying? That is a very serious, and offensive, accusation. Have you any evidence?
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The horizon is just how far you can see, which is influenced by many factors such as air density.
Also by the curvature of the Earth. Air is essentially transparent. No Earthly amount of air can completely obscure ones vision. Light-years away from us are several galaxies that we see in the night sky. are you claiming that they are all lying on the top of Earth's atmosphere? What makes Earth so special in that regard? Doesn't a more uniform universe make more sense from a scientific viewpoint.
Actually, air isn't transparent... you can't see forever. Also, you can't see galaxies several light years away... this is RET.
Earth is special. There really is nothing like it. It stands at the center of the universe and is the only thing in the universe that can support life. The entire universe exists for earth's benefit.
The Earth is round I am afraid
Do you have any evidence for this claim?
One can travel around the world from North to South, The Guiness Book of World Records has strict guidelines for these kinds of things, and as a successful company, is incredibly hard to keep quiet under your conspiracies.
What do you mean from north to south? Are you saying it isn't possible to travel from north to south in FE?
According to most FE models, North-South circumnavigation is impossible due to an ice wall.
It wouldn't be possible in RET either, because in RET the earth is spinning horizontally.
Geocentrism has also been essentially disproven by Copernicus.
Not so. http://www.geocentrism.com/
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I am fairly skilled in the art of physics, and am skilled in debate.
I'm intrigued and would like to know more about the Art of Physics. Is this a new field?
Do not mock me. I am more intelligent than almost anybody who supports Flat Earth seriously.
I have an IQ of 219 and a PhD in Science.
This "lying on the internet" thing sure is fun!
What school? What year did you recieve your Ph.D? What branch of science was you major? Why do you buy into all this crap about a flat Earth, or are you here to flame me as well?
I got it from the Science Academy. 1969 (*snigger*) I already told you, in Science. Because it is the logical choice, and No one is flaming you, you just don't know how to debate. You lose.
You didn't answer my third question. What branch of science was your major. I am suspecting you to be lying about your credentials. Pics of your degree or it didn't happen, as you would put it.
What are you talking about "branch"? I told you, I got the degree in Science. Can I have your fax line? I will see if I can fax you a copy.
You clearly are not a scientist. You are not interested in the search for knowledge. There are several branches of Science, and in order to get a Doctorate, one must specialize. No one can have a doctorate in all branches of Science.
Are you suggesting that I am lying? That is a very serious, and offensive, accusation. Have you any evidence?
You obviously do not know the basics of science. It is much to broad a topic to have expert knowledge in it all. I for one, specialize in Physics. As you claim to have a PhD, you must have a degree in Philosophy, and thus are not an expert in this field.
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I am fairly skilled in the art of physics, and am skilled in debate.
I'm intrigued and would like to know more about the Art of Physics. Is this a new field?
Do not mock me. I am more intelligent than almost anybody who supports Flat Earth seriously.
I have an IQ of 219 and a PhD in Science.
This "lying on the internet" thing sure is fun!
What school? What year did you recieve your Ph.D? What branch of science was you major? Why do you buy into all this crap about a flat Earth, or are you here to flame me as well?
I got it from the Science Academy. 1969 (*snigger*) I already told you, in Science. Because it is the logical choice, and No one is flaming you, you just don't know how to debate. You lose.
You didn't answer my third question. What branch of science was your major. I am suspecting you to be lying about your credentials. Pics of your degree or it didn't happen, as you would put it.
What are you talking about "branch"? I told you, I got the degree in Science. Can I have your fax line? I will see if I can fax you a copy.
You clearly are not a scientist. You are not interested in the search for knowledge. There are several branches of Science, and in order to get a Doctorate, one must specialize. No one can have a doctorate in all branches of Science.
Are you suggesting that I am lying? That is a very serious, and offensive, accusation. Have you any evidence?
You obviously do not know the basics of science. It is much to broad a topic to have expert knowledge in it all. I for one, specialize in Physics. As you claim to have a PhD, you must have a degree in Philosophy, and thus are not an expert in this field.
Qualifications are no substitution for a logical and coherent argument.
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...I am more intelligent than almost anybody who supports Flat Earth ....
May I ask you for supporting evidence for this claim?
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The horizon is just how far you can see, which is influenced by many factors such as air density.
Also by the curvature of the Earth. Air is essentially transparent. No Earthly amount of air can completely obscure ones vision. Light-years away from us are several galaxies that we see in the night sky. are you claiming that they are all lying on the top of Earth's atmosphere? What makes Earth so special in that regard? Doesn't a more uniform universe make more sense from a scientific viewpoint.
Actually, air isn't transparent... you can't see forever. Also, you can't see galaxies several light years away... this is RET.
Earth is special. There really is nothing like it. It stands at the center of the universe and is the only thing in the universe that can support life. The entire universe exists for earth's benefit.
The Earth is round I am afraid
Do you have any evidence for this claim?
One can travel around the world from North to South, The Guiness Book of World Records has strict guidelines for these kinds of things, and as a successful company, is incredibly hard to keep quiet under your conspiracies.
What do you mean from north to south? Are you saying it isn't possible to travel from north to south in FE?
According to most FE models, North-South circumnavigation is impossible due to an ice wall.
It wouldn't be possible in RET either, because in RET the earth is spinning horizontally.
Geocentrism has also been essentially disproven by Copernicus.
Not so. http://www.geocentrism.com/
Try reason on for size. What exactly makes the Earth so special that it is the center of the universe?
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I am fairly skilled in the art of physics, and am skilled in debate.
I'm intrigued and would like to know more about the Art of Physics. Is this a new field?
Do not mock me. I am more intelligent than almost anybody who supports Flat Earth seriously.
I have an IQ of 219 and a PhD in Science.
This "lying on the internet" thing sure is fun!
What school? What year did you recieve your Ph.D? What branch of science was you major? Why do you buy into all this crap about a flat Earth, or are you here to flame me as well?
I got it from the Science Academy. 1969 (*snigger*) I already told you, in Science. Because it is the logical choice, and No one is flaming you, you just don't know how to debate. You lose.
You didn't answer my third question. What branch of science was your major. I am suspecting you to be lying about your credentials. Pics of your degree or it didn't happen, as you would put it.
What are you talking about "branch"? I told you, I got the degree in Science. Can I have your fax line? I will see if I can fax you a copy.
You clearly are not a scientist. You are not interested in the search for knowledge. There are several branches of Science, and in order to get a Doctorate, one must specialize. No one can have a doctorate in all branches of Science.
Are you suggesting that I am lying? That is a very serious, and offensive, accusation. Have you any evidence?
You obviously do not know the basics of science. It is much to broad a topic to have expert knowledge in it all. I for one, specialize in Physics. As you claim to have a PhD, you must have a degree in Philosophy, and thus are not an expert in this field.
What makes you assume I have a degree in philosophy? Also, just because you are too narrow minded and must specialize does not mean all of us must do so. Now, have you any evidence, or will you apologize?
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...I am more intelligent than almost anybody who supports Flat Earth ....
May I ask you for supporting evidence for this claim?
"The Earth is flat."
May I ask you for supporting evidence for this claim?
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I am fairly skilled in the art of physics, and am skilled in debate.
I'm intrigued and would like to know more about the Art of Physics. Is this a new field?
Do not mock me. I am more intelligent than almost anybody who supports Flat Earth seriously.
I have an IQ of 219 and a PhD in Science.
This "lying on the internet" thing sure is fun!
What school? What year did you recieve your Ph.D? What branch of science was you major? Why do you buy into all this crap about a flat Earth, or are you here to flame me as well?
I got it from the Science Academy. 1969 (*snigger*) I already told you, in Science. Because it is the logical choice, and No one is flaming you, you just don't know how to debate. You lose.
You didn't answer my third question. What branch of science was your major. I am suspecting you to be lying about your credentials. Pics of your degree or it didn't happen, as you would put it.
What are you talking about "branch"? I told you, I got the degree in Science. Can I have your fax line? I will see if I can fax you a copy.
You clearly are not a scientist. You are not interested in the search for knowledge. There are several branches of Science, and in order to get a Doctorate, one must specialize. No one can have a doctorate in all branches of Science.
Are you suggesting that I am lying? That is a very serious, and offensive, accusation. Have you any evidence?
You obviously do not know the basics of science. It is much to broad a topic to have expert knowledge in it all. I for one, specialize in Physics. As you claim to have a PhD, you must have a degree in Philosophy, and thus are not an expert in this field.
What makes you assume I have a degree in philosophy? Also, just because you are too narrow minded and must specialize does not mean all of us must do so. Now, have you any evidence, or will you apologize?
A PhD is a Doctorate of Philosophy, look it up.
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...I am more intelligent than almost anybody who supports Flat Earth ....
May I ask you for supporting evidence for this claim?
"The Earth is flat."
May I ask you for supporting evidence for this claim?
Read the FAQ. Read Robo's posts.
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...I am more intelligent than almost anybody who supports Flat Earth ....
May I ask you for supporting evidence for this claim?
"The Earth is flat."
May I ask you for supporting evidence for this claim?
Read the FAQ. Read Robo's posts.
Have. no empirical evidence, only wild assumptions.
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Same with RET
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Same with RET
Such as?
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A PhD is a Doctorate of Philosophy, look it up.
Yes, the philosophy of science. Now do you have any evidence I am lying, or are you going to apologize?
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Same with RET
Such as?
Name something in RET that cannot be countered by FET
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...I am more intelligent than almost anybody who supports Flat Earth ....
May I ask you for supporting evidence for this claim?
"The Earth is flat."
May I ask you for supporting evidence for this claim?
Sorry, but that isn't evidence for your claim. That's an attempt to avoid an answer.
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A PhD is a Doctorate of Philosophy, look it up.
Yes, the philosophy of science. Now do you have any evidence I am lying, or are you going to apologize?
Pic of the degree or it didn't happen. Oh, wait a minute, even if you post me a picture, I can just accuse you of photoshopping it to make it look real and discredit it entirely.
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The horizon is just how far you can see, which is influenced by many factors such as air density.
Also by the curvature of the Earth. Air is essentially transparent. No Earthly amount of air can completely obscure ones vision. Light-years away from us are several galaxies that we see in the night sky. are you claiming that they are all lying on the top of Earth's atmosphere? What makes Earth so special in that regard? Doesn't a more uniform universe make more sense from a scientific viewpoint.
Actually, air isn't transparent... you can't see forever. Also, you can't see galaxies several light years away... this is RET.
Earth is special. There really is nothing like it. It stands at the center of the universe and is the only thing in the universe that can support life. The entire universe exists for earth's benefit.
The Earth is round I am afraid
Do you have any evidence for this claim?
One can travel around the world from North to South, The Guiness Book of World Records has strict guidelines for these kinds of things, and as a successful company, is incredibly hard to keep quiet under your conspiracies.
What do you mean from north to south? Are you saying it isn't possible to travel from north to south in FE?
According to most FE models, North-South circumnavigation is impossible due to an ice wall.
It wouldn't be possible in RET either, because in RET the earth is spinning horizontally.
Geocentrism has also been essentially disproven by Copernicus.
Not so. http://www.geocentrism.com/
Try reason on for size. What exactly makes the Earth so special that it is the center of the universe?
Earth is special. There really is nothing like it. It stands at the center of the universe and is the only thing in the universe that can support life. The entire universe exists for earth's benefit.
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...I am more intelligent than almost anybody who supports Flat Earth ....
May I ask you for supporting evidence for this claim?
"The Earth is flat."
May I ask you for supporting evidence for this claim?
Sorry, but that isn't evidence for your claim. That's an attempt to avoid an answer.
I'll use your logic; you can't prove me wrong, so I must be right. I may not have hard evidence right now, but neither do you. neither of our arguments here are valid, I'll drop that remark, you drop FET.
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WHAT THE FUCK? You want him to drop FET on Flat Earth forums?
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The horizon is just how far you can see, which is influenced by many factors such as air density.
Also by the curvature of the Earth. Air is essentially transparent. No Earthly amount of air can completely obscure ones vision. Light-years away from us are several galaxies that we see in the night sky. are you claiming that they are all lying on the top of Earth's atmosphere? What makes Earth so special in that regard? Doesn't a more uniform universe make more sense from a scientific viewpoint.
Actually, air isn't transparent... you can't see forever. Also, you can't see galaxies several light years away... this is RET.
Earth is special. There really is nothing like it. It stands at the center of the universe and is the only thing in the universe that can support life. The entire universe exists for earth's benefit.
The Earth is round I am afraid
Do you have any evidence for this claim?
One can travel around the world from North to South, The Guiness Book of World Records has strict guidelines for these kinds of things, and as a successful company, is incredibly hard to keep quiet under your conspiracies.
What do you mean from north to south? Are you saying it isn't possible to travel from north to south in FE?
According to most FE models, North-South circumnavigation is impossible due to an ice wall.
It wouldn't be possible in RET either, because in RET the earth is spinning horizontally.
Geocentrism has also been essentially disproven by Copernicus.
Not so. http://www.geocentrism.com/
Try reason on for size. What exactly makes the Earth so special that it is the center of the universe?
Earth is special. There really is nothing like it. It stands at the center of the universe and is the only thing in the universe that can support life. The entire universe exists for earth's benefit.
Why? For it to be science it has to have a reason, why is Earth the only place that can support life? How do you know that there is not another place similar to Earth, with life like ours, or a radically different planet with radically different life forms?
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WHAT THE FUCK? You want him to drop FET on Flat Earth forums?
Sounds ridiculous, huh? So does FET.
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A PhD is a Doctorate of Philosophy, look it up.
Yes, the philosophy of science. Now do you have any evidence I am lying, or are you going to apologize?
Pic of the degree or it didn't happen. Oh, wait a minute, even if you post me a picture, I can just accuse you of photoshopping it to make it look real and discredit it entirely.
I already requested for your fax line. Instead of apologizing, you are being intentionally obtuse. This is considered a very poor debate tactic.
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A PhD is a Doctorate of Philosophy, look it up.
Yes, the philosophy of science. Now do you have any evidence I am lying, or are you going to apologize?
Pic of the degree or it didn't happen. Oh, wait a minute, even if you post me a picture, I can just accuse you of photoshopping it to make it look real and discredit it entirely.
I already requested for your fax line. Instead of apologizing, you are being intentionally obtuse. This is considered a very poor debate tactic.
I am afraid I do not own a fax machine. Do you own a scanner?
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May I ask you for supporting evidence for this claim?
I'll use your logic; you can't prove me wrong, so I must be right. I may not have hard evidence right now, but neither do you. neither of our arguments here are valid, I'll drop that remark, you drop FET.
I have first-hand, direct evidence that the earth is flat. All I have to do is to look at it.
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Stop quoting people for awhile please. What makes you think there is other life?
WHAT THE FUCK? You want him to drop FET on Flat Earth forums?
Sounds ridiculous, huh? So does FET.
We gave you our stance. You can stay and debate yours, post random shit in CN or... Leave
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A PhD is a Doctorate of Philosophy, look it up.
Yes, the philosophy of science. Now do you have any evidence I am lying, or are you going to apologize?
Pic of the degree or it didn't happen. Oh, wait a minute, even if you post me a picture, I can just accuse you of photoshopping it to make it look real and discredit it entirely.
I already requested for your fax line. Instead of apologizing, you are being intentionally obtuse. This is considered a very poor debate tactic.
I am afraid I do not own a fax machine. Do you own a scanner?
I do not. I invite you to come over here and I will show you the degree.
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May I ask you for supporting evidence for this claim?
I'll use your logic; you can't prove me wrong, so I must be right. I may not have hard evidence right now, but neither do you. neither of our arguments here are valid, I'll drop that remark, you drop FET.
I have first-hand, direct evidence that the earth is flat. All I have to do is to look at it.
You simply do not comprehend the scale of the size of the earth compared to you. The Earth is large enough that at ground level it appears flat. I'll use the horizon again. It is altered by distant, large objects, like skyscrapers and hills, allowing you to see beyond the curvature of the earth if you are looking at them, creating skylines.
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The horizon is just how far you can see, which is influenced by many factors such as air density.
Also by the curvature of the Earth. Air is essentially transparent. No Earthly amount of air can completely obscure ones vision. Light-years away from us are several galaxies that we see in the night sky. are you claiming that they are all lying on the top of Earth's atmosphere? What makes Earth so special in that regard? Doesn't a more uniform universe make more sense from a scientific viewpoint.
Actually, air isn't transparent... you can't see forever. Also, you can't see galaxies several light years away... this is RET.
Earth is special. There really is nothing like it. It stands at the center of the universe and is the only thing in the universe that can support life. The entire universe exists for earth's benefit.
The Earth is round I am afraid
Do you have any evidence for this claim?
One can travel around the world from North to South, The Guiness Book of World Records has strict guidelines for these kinds of things, and as a successful company, is incredibly hard to keep quiet under your conspiracies.
What do you mean from north to south? Are you saying it isn't possible to travel from north to south in FE?
According to most FE models, North-South circumnavigation is impossible due to an ice wall.
It wouldn't be possible in RET either, because in RET the earth is spinning horizontally.
Geocentrism has also been essentially disproven by Copernicus.
Not so. http://www.geocentrism.com/
Try reason on for size. What exactly makes the Earth so special that it is the center of the universe?
Earth is special. There really is nothing like it. It stands at the center of the universe and is the only thing in the universe that can support life. The entire universe exists for earth's benefit.
Why? For it to be science it has to have a reason, why is Earth the only place that can support life?
Because God made it so.
How do you know that there is not another place similar to Earth, with life like ours, or a radically different planet with radically different life forms?
Because the earth is special. Planets cannot support life.
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I do not know absolutely if there is other life, but considering the massive size of the universe, odds are that there is life we do not know about elsewhere.
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Chill with the quotes please.
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@nerd51075 Will you apologize for saying that I do not have a degree in science?
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You simply do not comprehend the scale of the size of the earth compared to you. The Earth is large enough that at ground level it appears flat. I'll use the horizon again. It is altered by distant, large objects, like skyscrapers and hills, allowing you to see beyond the curvature of the earth if you are looking at them, creating skylines.
Large objects alter the horizon? How does that happen? What about small objects?
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The horizon is just how far you can see, which is influenced by many factors such as air density.
Also by the curvature of the Earth. Air is essentially transparent. No Earthly amount of air can completely obscure ones vision. Light-years away from us are several galaxies that we see in the night sky. are you claiming that they are all lying on the top of Earth's atmosphere? What makes Earth so special in that regard? Doesn't a more uniform universe make more sense from a scientific viewpoint.
Actually, air isn't transparent... you can't see forever. Also, you can't see galaxies several light years away... this is RET.
Earth is special. There really is nothing like it. It stands at the center of the universe and is the only thing in the universe that can support life. The entire universe exists for earth's benefit.
The Earth is round I am afraid
Do you have any evidence for this claim?
One can travel around the world from North to South, The Guiness Book of World Records has strict guidelines for these kinds of things, and as a successful company, is incredibly hard to keep quiet under your conspiracies.
What do you mean from north to south? Are you saying it isn't possible to travel from north to south in FE?
According to most FE models, North-South circumnavigation is impossible due to an ice wall.
It wouldn't be possible in RET either, because in RET the earth is spinning horizontally.
Geocentrism has also been essentially disproven by Copernicus.
Not so. http://www.geocentrism.com/
Try reason on for size. What exactly makes the Earth so special that it is the center of the universe?
Earth is special. There really is nothing like it. It stands at the center of the universe and is the only thing in the universe that can support life. The entire universe exists for earth's benefit.
Why? For it to be science it has to have a reason, why is Earth the only place that can support life?
Because God made it so.
What? God? "God did it." is not science. Science is natural. Science is explainable. God is neither.
How do you know that there is not another place similar to Earth, with life like ours, or a radically different planet with radically different life forms?
Because the earth is special. Planets cannot support life.
Still no reason why.
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You simply do not comprehend the scale of the size of the earth compared to you. The Earth is large enough that at ground level it appears flat. I'll use the horizon again. It is altered by distant, large objects, like skyscrapers and hills, allowing you to see beyond the curvature of the earth if you are looking at them, creating skylines.
Large objects alter the horizon? How does that happen? What about small objects?
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One can see certain objects that are beyond the horizon, simply because the are tall enough to jut above it. one can see mountains from several miles away, but people (your small object) disappear from sight either due to perspective, or larger, but still small, objects, like a 2 story house, vanish over the horizon.
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@nerd51075 Will you apologize for saying that I do not have a degree in science?
I have no verification that you do. Thus, I have every right to believe that you don't, right? Just like you have no absolute verification that the Earth is round, and do not believe that it is.
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It's nearly 3am here on the East coast, and I have to work tomorrow, I'll be back later to continue this right where we left off.
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@nerd51075 Will you apologize for saying that I do not have a degree in science?
I have no verification that you do. Thus, I have every right to believe that you don't, right? Just like you have no absolute verification that the Earth is round, and do not believe that it is.
I invited you to come here and see the degree personally. I'll even make cookies!
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One can see certain objects that are beyond the horizon, simply because the are tall enough to jut above it. one can see mountains from several miles away, but people (your small object) disappear from sight either due to perspective, or larger, but still small, objects, like a 2 story house, vanish over the horizon.
Or disappear because the topography around me is rather hilly.
You see, I would have to presume that people disappear because of the supposed curvature. Presumption is not the same as direct evidence.
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Where you from on the east coast?
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What? God? "God did it." is not science. Science is natural. Science is explainable. God is neither. Still no reason why.
Excuse me for being blunt, but what the hell do you mean "why?"
You think the earth is a sphere, so WHY is that?
You say science is natural, so WHY is that?
You say science is explainable, so WHY is that?
You say earth isn't special, isn't the center of the universe, isn't the only thing that can support life, so WHY NOT?
You can keep saying why why why to everything until the end of time, and to each explanation you can say "why" again.
The earth is what it is, and that is why enough for me.
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I do not know absolutely if there is other life, but considering the massive size of the universe, odds are that there is life we do not know about elsewhere.
Why?
(You like the why game, right?)
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One can travel around the world from North to South, The Guiness Book of World Records has strict guidelines for these kinds of things, and as a successful company, is incredibly hard to keep quiet under your conspiracies.
The Guinness Book of World Records is irrelevant to this discussion, as you have not cited it anywhere. Nor have you shown any sources for your claim about circumnavigating the world from north to south.
Some call it arrogance, i call it pride. It is possible to know this. It has been proven by Johannes Kepler, i believe, either that or he proved that this system was impossible.
Science does not prove things, it merely makes compelling statements about what is likely. I call it arrogance because you are so firmly dogmatic that what you have been told is true that your mind is completely closed to alternative suggestions.
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Name something in RET that cannot be countered by FET
The general direction of the umbra and penumbra of a total solar eclipse is west to east and only rarely form the arc of a circle.
However, on a flat earth, with both the sun and moon circulating in the same direction the shadows from a total solar eclipse could only form an arc of a circle which would travel from east to west. Therefore the earth cannot be flat.
The FES cannot counter this argument.
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Blah Blah Blah Blah. The still have yet to explain how one can take a pair of binoculars and see the distinct shape of the International Space Station....how you can see the distinct shape of the Shuttle, and how you can see them chasing each other right before and after docking.
Only responses I've seen to this question have been FE people degrading the ones asking the questions....because they know they are backed in a corner on this one and have nothing.
Please don't tell me about the blimps in the stratosphere...ISS has a very distinct and unique shape....which I've been watching change over the past few years with my own eyes...through my own binoculars.
I can just hear the collective FE wheels turning trying to figure out how they will get out of this corner....short of more insults....which many of you seem to thrive on when you do get backed into a corner.
Bunch of really worthless sad people...especially if this is all intended to just screw with people and get lather up. I know people like that, they thrive on making other people pissed and miserable...because they hate themselves. They are the miserable ones, and attempt to project it onto others, in hopes of feeling better about themselves. May work in the short run...but will eat your soul over the long term.
Think about it....check the mirror....make sure you are a perfect person without mistakes, before you keep going with this nonsense.
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Seems that nerd has run away from the forum after being confronted. Typical of round earthers.
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Seems that nerd has run away from the forum after being confronted. Typical of round earthers.
Yup, Just like a guy who run away after asking name of people who has circled south pole or prove when he has run fake space program ::)
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I do not know absolutely if there is other life, but considering the massive size of the universe, odds are that there is life we do not know about elsewhere.
How big was the universe again?
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Seems that nerd has run away from the forum after being confronted. Typical of round earthers.
Yup, Just like a guy who run away after asking name of people who has circled south pole or prove when he has run fake space program ::)
I didn't run away. Everyone stopped posting in that thread. Also, I'm not going to basically ruin my whole life just to prove myself to someone with 7 posts whom I don't even know on a web forum. They'd find me in a second if I did. Asking me to prove that I have run a space program is basically asking me to give up a life of luxury in return for either a life spent in prison being tortured, or perhaps just a life ended if they decide not to bother with that and instead just kill me. Think about this for a minute: Would it be worth it to *you* to give up such information to a stranger over the Internet just to prove that person wrong? I'm quite happy with my life as it is, thanks. I'm not screwing this up.
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It's a perspective effect, one described in "Earth Not a Globe". There is a copy of it free online. Also, have you read the FAQ? If not, read it.
Do you have a link to the book? Air is also not transparent, as we can easily see objects such as stars and the moon from the Earth's surface, which are incredibly far away from the Earth.
Um, I think you've got something a little wrong here.... So air is not transparent, surely that would make it harder to see objects which are far from the earth's surface?
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Seems that nerd has run away from the forum after being confronted. Typical of round earthers.
Yup, Just like a guy who run away after asking name of people who has circled south pole or prove when he has run fake space program ::)
I didn't run away. Everyone stopped posting in that thread. Also, I'm not going to basically ruin my whole life just to prove myself to someone with 7 posts whom I don't even know on a web forum. They'd find me in a second if I did. Asking me to prove that I have run a space program is basically asking me to give up a life of luxury in return for either a life spent in prison being tortured, or perhaps just a life ended if they decide not to bother with that and instead just kill me. Think about this for a minute: Would it be worth it to *you* to give up such information to a stranger over the Internet just to prove that person wrong? I'm quite happy with my life as it is, thanks. I'm not screwing this up.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! So you're part of the fake space conspiracy program are you?! I guess you must be really happy will all that money they must be paying you then... Question is, why, if you have all this money and therefore the ability to do pretty much whatever you want, do you spend so much time on this website mocking people who don't believe you flat earth theory?
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Seems that nerd has run away from the forum after being confronted. Typical of round earthers.
I've asked politely once, and I'll ask again. Would you please not generalize like that?
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Seems that nerd has run away from the forum after being confronted. Typical of round earthers.
Yup, Just like a guy who run away after asking name of people who has circled south pole or prove when he has run fake space program ::)
I didn't run away. Everyone stopped posting in that thread. Also, I'm not going to basically ruin my whole life just to prove myself to someone with 7 posts whom I don't even know on a web forum. They'd find me in a second if I did. Asking me to prove that I have run a space program is basically asking me to give up a life of luxury in return for either a life spent in prison being tortured, or perhaps just a life ended if they decide not to bother with that and instead just kill me. Think about this for a minute: Would it be worth it to *you* to give up such information to a stranger over the Internet just to prove that person wrong? I'm quite happy with my life as it is, thanks. I'm not screwing this up.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! So you're part of the fake space conspiracy program are you?! I guess you must be really happy will all that money they must be paying you then... Question is, why, if you have all this money and therefore the ability to do pretty much whatever you want, do you spend so much time on this website mocking people who don't believe you flat earth theory?
All that money? I don't have an excess of money. I actually get little money (middle class range) but consider my life luxurious in that I don't have to actually do anything for it anymore... it's part of my retirement package. Also, I have not mocked anyone, simply stated the truth.
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We do not accept the Earth is not flat because we do not see substantial evidence for such a statement.
It's kind of hard to not see all the astronomy news and etc on the internet and elsewhere. It's not that you don't see, you just don't want to see or you knowingly ignore. And you seem to lack any will to do some research about RE.
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nerd51075 !! you pwned a bunch of idiots
keep it up good work!
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nerd51075 !! you pwned a bunch of idiots
keep it up good work!
Keep this out of the serious discussion, this is a warning.
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nerd51075 !! you pwned a bunch of idiots
keep it up good work!
Keep this out of the serious discussion, this is a warning.
i can just reset my modem and come back with a new account
it just takes 5 min
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nerd51075 !! you pwned a bunch of idiots
keep it up good work!
Keep this out of the serious discussion, this is a warning.
i can just reset my modem and come back with a new account
it just takes 5 min
Ok.
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Um, I think you've got something a little wrong here.... So air is not transparent, surely that would make it harder to see objects which are far from the earth's surface?
there is no air in space