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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: YouSuck on August 20, 2009, 12:13:16 PM

Title: Why?
Post by: YouSuck on August 20, 2009, 12:13:16 PM
Must you be so retarded. How can you possibly think that nasa is hiding the fact that earth is a cylinder. I can go buy a telescope and see the forces of gravity. I can see the moon orbit the earth. I can go to the beach and see the curve of the earth. How stupid are you people for believing this?

Oh i get it you are from 4Chan aren't you? No one is ever this stupid. EVER! I can go to the deep south and find a retard to prove you dumb asses wrong.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Moonlit on August 20, 2009, 12:14:01 PM
What exactly does the deep south have to do with intelligence?
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: YouSuck on August 20, 2009, 12:14:53 PM
What exactly does the deep south have to do with intelligence?

they aren't very inteligent
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Moonlit on August 20, 2009, 12:15:57 PM
What exactly does the deep south have to do with intelligence?
they aren't very inteligent
Your assumption isn't very intelligent or informed.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: YouSuck on August 20, 2009, 12:17:52 PM
the average IQ by state map

(http://vdare.com/images/102206_ss_stateIQmap.JPG)
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Moonlit on August 20, 2009, 12:21:39 PM
Who/where is this map of IQs from?
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: YouSuck on August 20, 2009, 12:22:43 PM
just right click it and copy image location, and then you would get http://vdare.com/images/102206_ss_stateIQmap.JPG
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Moonlit on August 20, 2009, 12:26:38 PM
This is interesting....

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"IQ at the individual level has strong correlates with race. There are large and intractable mean racial differences in IQ at the person level. The differences are termed intractable because they have been relatively constant across decades and have not been appreciably affected by environmental interventions ( Murray, 2005).Because racial composition of the state is a large magnitude correlate of state IQ, one cannot expect meaningful changes in estimated state IQ as long as state racial composition is relatively stable. While increased education expenditures and smaller class sizes are to be encouraged, the stability of the rank order of NAEP test data suggests that states are not going to alter their standing on estimated state IQ dramatically through such efforts."

Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Moonlit on August 20, 2009, 12:27:34 PM
Also this:

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First, the NAEP isn't an IQ test; it's a school achievement test.

As McDaniel points out, numerous studies show that results on achievement and aptitude tests are highly correlated. Nonetheless, it is possible for public schools to improve (or, far more easily, to deteriorate), so some of the variation is no doubt related to school quality rather than the underlying IQ of the students.


Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Moonlit on August 20, 2009, 12:28:31 PM
They're based on aptitude tests.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Moonlit on August 20, 2009, 12:30:46 PM
They're based on aptitude tests.
Yes and as you pointed out, aptitude is NOT intelligence.
Correct, but you asked what it was based on.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: W on August 20, 2009, 12:56:27 PM
That is completely fabricated. Montana does not have a higher IQ average than states such as Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, or California. Also, I don't remember being given an IQ test, neither do my parents, my siblings, or any of my neighbors and classmates. We never have, and we never will. I doubt that you have, and I doubt that even 100 people on this forum have.

These 'estimations' are based on what exactly?

I was given an IQ test, and the result was 176.

Also, that site is racist.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Moonlit on August 20, 2009, 12:59:42 PM
Racist how?  The numbers are based on facts, not opinion.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Taters343 on August 20, 2009, 01:03:23 PM
It yelled at me and called me a honky :(
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Moonlit on August 20, 2009, 01:04:41 PM
It yelled at me and called me a honky :(
I lol'd.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: divito the truthist on August 20, 2009, 01:24:42 PM
I was given an IQ test, and the result was 176.

LOL.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Pete on August 20, 2009, 01:35:35 PM
I was given an IQ test, and the result was 176.

LOL.

LOL.

If your going to claim to be someone with a 1-in-a-million IQ, could you please prove it?  ::)
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Squat on August 20, 2009, 01:44:35 PM
Stop laughing at him.

The fact that his IQ test result was actually 17.6 makes it just a typo.  Of course, with an IQ of 17.6 he's only 2 points short of a houseplant.    :D
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Pete on August 20, 2009, 01:49:37 PM
Stop laughing at him.

The fact that his IQ test result was actually 17.6 makes it just a typo.  Of course, with an IQ of 17.6 he's only 2 points short of a houseplant.    :D

I love it when people claim ridiculously high IQ's. There's nothing like being told in all seriousness, that they took a test online in 10 minutes and therefore have an IQ of 150.

Reality check: real IQ tests involve spending several days going to a psychologist and taking a battery of tests. The scores are then processed, and you get a bunch of numbers indicating aptitude in various areas that are then averaged into an overall score.

Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Anduie on August 20, 2009, 01:57:40 PM
IQ tests don't measure anything that is of any meaning.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Taters343 on August 20, 2009, 05:24:07 PM
IQ tests don't measure anything that is of any meaning.

Just because you are severely lacking in intelligence doesn't mean intelligence is meaningless.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: KatiePipkin on August 20, 2009, 05:26:24 PM
IQ tests don't measure anything that is of any meaning.

That depends on whether your day to day activities involve solving the same sort of puzzles you face in an IQ test. Which they might.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Anduie on August 20, 2009, 05:31:03 PM
IQ tests don't measure anything that is of any meaning.

Just because you are severely lacking in intelligence doesn't mean intelligence is meaningless.

IQ tests don't measure intelligence.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Taters343 on August 20, 2009, 05:31:49 PM
IQ tests don't measure anything that is of any meaning.

Just because you are severely lacking in intelligence doesn't mean intelligence is meaningless.

IQ tests don't measure intelligence.

"Intelligence quotient"
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: W on August 20, 2009, 05:37:09 PM
When I was in first grade the school suspected that I might have a high IQ and thus sent me for testing. The result of that testing was 176. I don't know how you want me to "prove it." Believe it or don't, I really don't care either way.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Anduie on August 20, 2009, 05:44:24 PM
"Intelligence quotient"

Congratulations on knowing what an acronym means but not being able to understand the concepts. The actual connection to intelligence is tenuous as the test is normally biased for certain segments of society and catered towards certain groups. Also, it's fairly antiquated and most don't even accept it as an accurate measurement of intellect. Besides, IQ is based on general knowledge and can't measure technical knowledge, which goes a great deal into intelligence.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Pseudointellect on August 20, 2009, 05:52:52 PM
When I was in first grade the school suspected that I might have a high IQ and thus sent me for testing. The result of that testing was 176. I don't know how you want me to "prove it." Believe it or don't, I really don't care either way.

That kind of score would mean that you're a full 5 standard deviations above the mean, which is as rare as 1 in a million (which may be true, but unlikely, obviously). It was probably divided by your small age to inflate it, because the most modern IQ tests are usually restricted to ages 16 and up for accuracy.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: KatiePipkin on August 20, 2009, 05:53:02 PM
"Intelligence quotient"

Congratulations on knowing what an acronym means but not being able to understand the concepts. The actual connection to intelligence is tenuous as the test is normally biased for certain segments of society and catered towards certain groups. Also, it's fairly antiquated and most don't even accept it as an accurate measurement of intellect. Besides, IQ is based on general knowledge and can't measure technical knowledge, which goes a great deal into intelligence.

A proper intelligence test is not reliant on pre-existing knowledge at all. Intelligence is not about how much you know, but about your ability to make use of what you know and your ability to understand.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Taters343 on August 20, 2009, 06:00:20 PM
"Intelligence quotient"

Congratulations on knowing what an acronym means but not being able to understand the concepts. The actual connection to intelligence is tenuous as the test is normally biased for certain segments of society and catered towards certain groups. Also, it's fairly antiquated and most don't even accept it as an accurate measurement of intellect. Besides, IQ is based on general knowledge and can't measure technical knowledge, which goes a great deal into intelligence.

A proper intelligence test is not reliant on pre-existing knowledge at all. Intelligence is not about how much you know, but about your ability to make use of what you know and your ability to understand.

Thank you. Might I also add that it is a lot of problem solving that requires little to no prior knowledge, such as recognising patterns as well as other similar types of tests.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Anduie on August 20, 2009, 06:03:19 PM
"Intelligence quotient"

Congratulations on knowing what an acronym means but not being able to understand the concepts. The actual connection to intelligence is tenuous as the test is normally biased for certain segments of society and catered towards certain groups. Also, it's fairly antiquated and most don't even accept it as an accurate measurement of intellect. Besides, IQ is based on general knowledge and can't measure technical knowledge, which goes a great deal into intelligence.

A proper intelligence test is not reliant on pre-existing knowledge at all. Intelligence is not about how much you know, but about your ability to make use of what you know and your ability to understand.

Are we operating with the knowledge/intelligence dichotomy or no? It sounds to me as most here are immediately going with higher IQ scores directly translate into knowing more.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Taters343 on August 20, 2009, 06:04:38 PM
"Intelligence quotient"

Congratulations on knowing what an acronym means but not being able to understand the concepts. The actual connection to intelligence is tenuous as the test is normally biased for certain segments of society and catered towards certain groups. Also, it's fairly antiquated and most don't even accept it as an accurate measurement of intellect. Besides, IQ is based on general knowledge and can't measure technical knowledge, which goes a great deal into intelligence.

A proper intelligence test is not reliant on pre-existing knowledge at all. Intelligence is not about how much you know, but about your ability to make use of what you know and your ability to understand.

Are we operating with the knowledge/intelligence dichotomy or no? It sounds to me as most here are immediately going with higher IQ scores directly translate into knowing more.

Intelligence has nothing to do with how much you know.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: parsec on August 20, 2009, 06:05:42 PM
Intelligence has nothing to do with how much you know.

It has. If you are stupid, you cannot know a lot.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Taters343 on August 20, 2009, 06:06:45 PM
Intelligence has nothing to do with how much you know.

It has. If you are stupid, you cannot know a lot.

But not knowing a lot doesn't mean that you aren't intelligent.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: parsec on August 20, 2009, 06:07:22 PM
Intelligence has nothing to do with how much you know.

It has. If you are stupid, you cannot know a lot.

But not knowing a lot doesn't mean that you aren't intelligent.

But, knowing a lot means you are intelligent.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: W on August 20, 2009, 06:07:49 PM
Intelligence has nothing to do with how much you know.

It has. If you are stupid, you cannot know a lot.

But not knowing a lot doesn't mean that you aren't intelligent.

But, knowing a lot means you are intelligent.

Or it could just mean that you have a good memory.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Anduie on August 20, 2009, 06:08:27 PM


Are we operating with the knowledge/intelligence dichotomy or no? It sounds to me as most here are immediately going with higher IQ scores directly translate into knowing more.

Intelligence has nothing to do with how much you know.

Which explains why you answered the question in the way you did. And I still stand by the fact that the IQ test isn't accurate.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: parsec on August 20, 2009, 06:10:36 PM
Intelligence has nothing to do with how much you know.

It has. If you are stupid, you cannot know a lot.

But not knowing a lot doesn't mean that you aren't intelligent.

But, knowing a lot means you are intelligent.

Or it could just mean that you have a good memory.
Which is one aspect of high intelligence.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: zork on August 21, 2009, 02:40:57 AM
But, knowing a lot means you are intelligent.
Or it could just mean that you have a good memory.
Which is one aspect of high intelligence.
If knowing a lot is just a "one aspect of high intelligence" then it does not mean that you are intelligent if you "know a lot". It just may mean that you have a good memory and you don't have to have much intelligence.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: spanner34.5 on August 21, 2009, 05:01:41 AM
Stop laughing at him.

The fact that his IQ test result was actually 17.6 makes it just a typo.  Of course, with an IQ of 17.6 he's only 2 points short of a houseplant.    :D


I is da stoopiderist ear.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: parsec on August 21, 2009, 05:47:53 AM
But, knowing a lot means you are intelligent.
Or it could just mean that you have a good memory.
Which is one aspect of high intelligence.
If knowing a lot is just a "one aspect of high intelligence" then it does not mean that you are intelligent if you "know a lot". It just may mean that you have a good memory and you don't have to have much intelligence.
I am pretty sure that a person with excellent memory can do better on an IQ test than an average examinee.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: zork on August 21, 2009, 06:48:05 AM
If knowing a lot is just a "one aspect of high intelligence" then it does not mean that you are intelligent if you "know a lot". It just may mean that you have a good memory and you don't have to have much intelligence.
I am pretty sure that a person with excellent memory can do better on an IQ test than an average examinee.
And that is why usual IQ tests don't actually show anything about intelligence.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: parsec on August 21, 2009, 06:54:50 AM
If knowing a lot is just a "one aspect of high intelligence" then it does not mean that you are intelligent if you "know a lot". It just may mean that you have a good memory and you don't have to have much intelligence.
I am pretty sure that a person with excellent memory can do better on an IQ test than an average examinee.
And that is why usual IQ tests don't actually show anything about intelligence.
Or, they do and you are incorrect.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: zork on August 21, 2009, 11:06:52 AM
If knowing a lot is just a "one aspect of high intelligence" then it does not mean that you are intelligent if you "know a lot". It just may mean that you have a good memory and you don't have to have much intelligence.
I am pretty sure that a person with excellent memory can do better on an IQ test than an average examinee.
And that is why usual IQ tests don't actually show anything about intelligence.
Or, they do and you are incorrect.
I must put the emphasis to the word "usual". They quite don't show correct results about your IQ. And you could be more decisive and not let your answer be in style "maybe it is and maybe it is not".
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: Anduie on August 21, 2009, 11:52:53 AM
I must put the emphasis to the word "usual". They quite don't show correct results about your IQ. And you could be more decisive and not let your answer be in style "maybe it is and maybe it is not".

Shh! That's what they do.
Title: Re: Why?
Post by: ShnitzelKiller on August 21, 2009, 11:15:57 PM
Must you be so retarded. How can you possibly think that nasa is hiding the fact that earth is a cylinder. I can go buy a telescope and see the forces of gravity. I can see the moon orbit the earth. I can go to the beach and see the curve of the earth. How stupid are you people for believing this?

Oh i get it you are from 4Chan aren't you? No one is ever this stupid. EVER! I can go to the deep south and find a retard to prove you dumb asses wrong.


Ehh, did you say cylinder?