The Flat Earth Society
Other Discussion Boards => Technology, Science & Alt Science => Topic started by: Pete on August 17, 2009, 06:17:39 PM
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I'm kinda bored, and I thought I'd share this alternative "scientific theory" that I've always thought was good for a laugh.
I won't deny the Youtube videos on the stuff are pretty funny (http://)
This one's even better. (http://)
I love trolling the idiots in the comment section.
Here's a funny little article (http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/melanin-ripens-the-sweet-berries/)
Basically its one of those more entertaining little theories that beloved by those who aren't very bright, uneducated, or racist.
The idea is that the black people are a very spiritually advanced people who have magic powers because they have lots of melanin. White people are the mutants. Apparently all white people are albino mutants and a species of degenerate freaks.
I'd like to thank the Flat Earth Society for actually putting together a theory with some math backing it up, and some logic behind it. As opposed to racially motivated feel-good nonsense and mantras like "We are GODS". ::)
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These videos are scary, though I'm on the fence of believing the top one is legit and not a joke.
The second one is downright ugly. Not a couple seconds in and the lady confuses mixing pigments and mixing light, and no, they do not yield the same effects. I couldn't watch the while thing.
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It does bring up an interesting question though. How can FET possibly explain the different melanin levels, and therefore the various skin tones, of people at the equator. If the sun is a spotlight we should get pretty uniform radiation from it?
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It does bring up an interesting question though. How can FET possibly explain the different melanin levels, and therefore the various skin tones, of people at the equator. If the sun is a spotlight we should get pretty uniform radiation from it?
What?
No.
It is easily observable that the spotlight sun hits you more directly at the equator than at the more temperate regions of Earth. Other than that basically evolutionary drive.
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I hate to break it to these silly people who think that Melanin is somehow magic, but melanin is a pigment, produced by melanocytes in the Stratum Basale level of the epidermis. Melanin is a frickin pigment.
It is produced within the dendrites of the melanocyte, which bubbles off into melanosomes (intracellular vesicle) which rises through the skin to and merges with the plasma membrane of the keratinocytes, dumping the melanin into the cell. The melanin is carried by transport proteins to surround the nucleus. Hooray!
It just never ceases to amuse me over how excited/gullible the scientifically illiterate can be over a pigment. It amuses me to no end trolling their Youtube videos. Every time I get called "close minded" because I require scientific evidence before I stop ridiculing their insanities, I wear it as a badge of honor. ;D
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I drink three pints a day, but I am still mostly white. What can I do? Should I increase my uptake in liquid form or switch twwo the capsules. I have a freid in Spain who drinks thriteen pints a day and he is starting tow show signs of changeing coulor. He is on M-Form 6K
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I drink three pints a day, but I am still mostly white. What can I do? Should I increase my uptake in liquid form or switch twwo the capsules. I have a freid in Spain who drinks thriteen pints a day and he is starting tow show signs of changeing coulor. He is on M-Form 6K
3 pints of melanin? Your being sarcastic, right? :-\
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How does this Melanin theory deal with the fact that Africa is the most fucked up continent on Earth?
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Amusingly, I actually got messaged by some woman who believes in this silliness. Apparently she got annoyed with me trolling and laughing at her friends or something.
Here's the message history for the lulz. I do this in hopes of demonstrating a very funny pseudoscience and how to refute it. (about as difficult as breathing)
Her: "And your doctorate is in what?"
Me: "Lol Don't have one. You don't need a doctorate to understand high school biology."
(and my GOD this is priceless)
Her: "I do not communicate with beings who lack common sense or an education. I live in brash estate, haul in an enormous income, shop at the finest boutiques, dine at the most exclusive eateries, and my college education (MBA and two degrees in international studies) is Paid in Full. The insurance premiums alone on my luxury vehicles is enough to pay your rent for two years.
This is not to put you down. But I don't entertain ignorance. Plain and simple."
(seriously wtf?)
Me:" I do not communicate with beings who lack common sense or an education."
Ok......
"I live in brash estate, haul in an enormous income, shop at the finest boutiques, dine at the most exclusive eateries, and my college education (MBA and two degrees in international studies) is Paid in Full."
I applaud your completely unverifiable claims to a extremely comfortable. I fail to see the relevance.
" The insurance premiums alone on my luxury vehicles is enough to pay your rent for two years."
Fascinating and utterly unverifiable. Also I am going to point out that you have no idea what I pay in rent.
"This is not to put you down."
True. But it seems completely pointless......
"But I don't entertain ignorance. Plain and simple."
That is interesting. Therefore, why would you support such a silly cause such as the Melanin Theory, which is itself utterly divorced from any familiarity with biochemistry?
If you make that much money, you can certainly afford to purchase a physiology textbook and read on the basics.
Or here, I'll just copy it out for you.
Martini and Nath. Fundamentals of Anatomy and Physiology. Eighth Edition, Pearson Benjamin Cummings. 2009, San Francisco, CA, USA.
"Melanin is a brown, yellow-brown, or black pigment produced by melanocytes, pigment cells introduced in chapter 4. The melanocytes involved are located in the stratum germinativum, squeezed between or deep to the epithelial cells. Melanocytes manufacture melanin from the amino acid Tyrosine, and package it in intracellular vesicles called melanosomes. These vesicles travel within the processes of melanocytes and are transferred intact to keratinocytes. The transfer of pigmentation colors the keratinocyte temporarily, until the melanosomes are destroyed by fusion with lysosomes. In individuals with pale skin, this transfer occurs in the stratum germinativum and stratum spinosum and the cells of more superficial layers lose their pigmentation. In dark-skinned people, the melanosomes are larger and the transfer may occur in the stratum granulosum as well; skin pigmentation is thus darker and more persistant."
So there goes the silly "melanin from the Pineal gland" claim
Also,
"The posterior portion of the epithalamus contains the pineal gland, and endocrine structure that secretes the hormone melatonin. Melatonin is important in the regulation of day-night cycles and also in the regulation of reproductive functions."
And I'm afraid white people are not albinos
"The differences in skin pigmentations among individuals do not reflect different numbers of melanocytes, but merely different levels of synthetic activity. Even the melanocytes of albino individuals are distributed normally, although the cells are incapable of producing melanin."
Melanin does not give magic powers
"The melanin in keratinocytes protects your epidermis and dermis from the harmful effects of sunlight, which contains significant amounts of ultraviolet radiation. A small amount of UV radiation is beneficial, because it stimulates the epidermal production of a compound required for calcium ion homeostasis. However, UV radiation can also damage DNA, causing mutations and promoting the development of cancer. Within keratinocytes, melanosomes become concentrated in the region around the nucleus, where the melanin pigments act like a sunshade to provide some UV protection for the DNA in those cells."
Melanin is not a superconductor. It is a semiconductor.
Structural, electrical, electronic and optical properties of melanin films. M Abbas et al. The European Physical Journal E: Soft Matter and Biological Physics, 28 (3). March 2009, pp 285-291.
"We present thick, uniform and rather flat melanin films obtained using spray deposition. The morphology of the films was investigated using Scanning Electron Microscopy (SEM) and Atomic Force Microscopy (AFM). Temperature-dependent electrical resistance of melanin thin films evidenced a semiconductor-like character and a hysteretic behavior linked to an irreversible process of water molecule desorption from the melanin film. X-ray Photoelectron Spectroscopy (XPS) was carried out to analyze the role of the functional groups in the primary and secondary structure of the macromolecule, showing that the contribution of the 5,6-dihydroxyindole-2-carboxylic acid (DHICA) subunit to the molecule is about 35%. Comparison of the optical absorption of the thick (800nm) and thin (80nm) films showed a spectral change when the thickness increases. From in vacuum photoconductivity (PC) measured at controlled temperatures, we suggest that the melanin films exhibit a possible charge transport mechanism by means of delocalized $ \pi$ states along the stacked planar secondary structure. "
Since you are educated, communicate with those with common sense and an education and dislike ignorance, I imagine you will have an appreciation for actual science, which is quite refreshing after all those silly people on the video comments."
Her: " I didn't have time to read your book. Perhaps you should write one for your audience. I'm not a fan."
(Here my response seems to have gone missing. Something to the extent that it was unfortunate that she was as stupid as the rest of them or something)
Her: "No matter what you deny or your miseducated theory is, white people do not possess Melanin.They are recessive creatures. According to ancient biblical documents, they were genetically created by the devil who wanted his own race. Do your research? Not on Youtube and Google. Visit ancient cities and study ancient documents. Otherwise, you don't know shit but what's been passed on by others who were also miseducated."
::)
meh, and my latest reply which was something on how I'd already refuted that, and I found it annoying when people repeated refuted claims. I acknowledged that racists usually aren't that well educated, but encouraged her to at least make an attempt to understand the biology I cited for her.
Here she is. http://www.youtube.com/user/BlackmatterX (http://www.youtube.com/user/BlackmatterX)
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Lol. "White people don't contain melanin" That is awesome.
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My favorite part is them claiming that without Melanin your nervous system would shut down. I dont remember every seeing any twitchy albinos?
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Well according to their theory no white people should have working nervous systems.
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I know you said this a year ago and this is true. I'm sure you won't take a black persons word but please talk to a dark skin hispanic person. Test them out. Matter of fact, take some melanated people into the labs and see how they function around music, the dark, the night, tasting and smelling things, hearing, and the amount of sunlight they can absorb. Now, compare the results to white people. People have proven this, they just don't want to say this is real. This is stuff from the ancestors!
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How did you guys get these people to vomit ignorance at you? I want some ignorance in my pm box.
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I didn't read this topic before, but really, it's fantastic.
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Well according to their theory no white people should have working nervous systems.
Go to youtube, search for "melanin" and start posting science and common sense aggressively on their videos. Whenever they make a claim that melanin is made by the pineal gland, correct them. Correct them when they claim that whites are albinos. Point out that the claim that a pigment molecule can connect them to God/Cosmos/Ra is a load of superstitious gibberish.
Eventually, they will get annoyed with you pointing out that their intellectual circle-jerk is ridiculous and you might get something.
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Sounds like I'd end up pissed off having to deal with them. I can't deal with stupid people when they're a majority, it just makes me depressed.
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People called Melanie have more melanin. That is proven.
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On another video there was a comment
Sorry to scare you guys but the devil has done a good job genetically altering our brains.
The reptilian thing is like cold blooded killers.
The ant thing is like the Military.
I replied
Cute superstition
I got a reply back
no one cares what u think!
My reply is
Yes, I've noticed the people who actually believe this pseudoscience gibberish generally aren't too fond of thought in general.
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I have lots of moles. Does that mean this applies to me as well?
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Got one for you
Stupid Girl:
Melanotan comes from the genitalia of black people. That is how it's exteracted, white folks are injecting it into their system so they can get a tan and it also helps cure skin cancer.
"Melanotan", by the way, is the marketing name for a synthetic hormone, "Afamelanotide" that stimulates melanosomes. Apparently the fact that it doesn't exist in nature doesn't mean it isn't made by extracting it from the genitals of black people. ::)
God, I love this.
Me:
No no no, you idiot. Afamelanotide is "SYNTHETIC" its made in chemistry labs from scratch. You don't "extract" synthetic hormones because none exists in the human body in the first place.
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Melanotan comes from the genitalia of black people. That is how it's exteracted, white folks are injecting it into their system so they can get? a tan and it also helps cure skin cancer.
this reminds me, i'm late for my melanotan injection.
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Of course white people are not inferior but naturally there is a shred of truth to the theory. Albinos are obviously minions of Satan because it's well known that red eyes and pure white skin are the Mark of the Devil.
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Of course white people are not inferior but naturally there is a shred of truth to the theory. Albinos are obviously minions of Satan because it's well known that red eyes and pure white skin are the Mark of the Devil.
Thanks for that contribution, you should really have tried this back when the da vinci code first came out.
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Wow I had no idea melanin did so much. I bet they have many pear reviewed articles to back up there claims.
I always thought I was superior because I could change the amount of melanin present in my skin, guess not. Also since melanin is the elixir of the gods why don't I feel awesome in the summer?
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Melanin keeps you from absorbing/using vitamin D making you sick if you live in more polar areas. It basically makes you a plant, lol.
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Melanin keeps you from absorbing/using vitamin D making you sick if you live in more polar areas. It basically makes you a plant, lol.
No, it keeps you from absorbing dangerous UV rays. Lack of melanin helps to absorb vitamin D.
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So why is it black guys love to wear white?
I would like to argue with this Francis Cress woman.
"white guys give chocolates and nuts to their loved ones so they can try and be like a black man"
^ paraphrased
But surely Cressie, the desire to wear white clothes and as family guy put it "woah that black guy must be successful, everything he owns is white" is merely just a desire to be white.
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Melanin keeps you from absorbing/using vitamin D making you sick if you live in more polar areas. It basically makes you a plant, lol.
No, it keeps you from absorbing dangerous UV rays. Lack of melanin helps to absorb vitamin D.
You said what I said except with some odd notion of intent. If lack of melanin doesn't help you absorb vitamin D, melanin prevents us from absorbing vitamin D by blocking helpful UV radiation, and even slowing genetic variation in our DNA. It could be said that melanin slows genetic diversity causing slowed evolution.
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You said melanin keeps from absorbing vitamin D that makes you sick if you live in more polar areas. People who live in polar areas need less melanin/more vitamin D.
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You said melanin keeps from absorbing vitamin D that makes you sick if you live in more polar areas. People who live in polar areas need less melanin/more vitamin D.
I know. People with lots of melanin therefore can't live in arctic areas.
Duh?
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Melanin keeps you from absorbing/using vitamin D making you sick if you live in more polar areas. It basically makes you a plant, lol.
No, it keeps you from absorbing dangerous UV rays. Lack of melanin helps to absorb vitamin D.
You said what I said except with some odd notion of intent. If lack of melanin doesn't help you absorb vitamin D, melanin prevents us from absorbing vitamin D by blocking helpful UV radiation, and even slowing genetic variation in our DNA. It could be said that melanin slows genetic diversity causing slowed evolution.
I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with this bit, as most people don't make a habit of toasting their testicles.
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Melanin keeps you from absorbing/using vitamin D making you sick if you live in more polar areas. It basically makes you a plant, lol.
No, it keeps you from absorbing dangerous UV rays. Lack of melanin helps to absorb vitamin D.
You said what I said except with some odd notion of intent. If lack of melanin doesn't help you absorb vitamin D, melanin prevents us from absorbing vitamin D by blocking helpful UV radiation, and even slowing genetic variation in our DNA. It could be said that melanin slows genetic diversity causing slowed evolution.
I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with this bit, as most people don't make a habit of toasting their testicles.
The past few thousand years are inconsequential to evolution as a whole. So yes, people did have a habit of allowing the sun to hit their testicles.
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You said melanin keeps from absorbing vitamin D that makes you sick if you live in more polar areas. People who live in polar areas need less melanin/more vitamin D.
I know. People with lots of melanin therefore can't live in arctic areas.
Duh?
The wording was weird.
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You said melanin keeps from absorbing vitamin D that makes you sick if you live in more polar areas. People who live in polar areas need less melanin/more vitamin D.
I know. People with lots of melanin therefore can't live in arctic areas.
Duh?
The wording was weird.
I figured, you knew the correct version of things, so I figured you had misunderstood it.
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You said melanin keeps from absorbing vitamin D that makes you sick if you live in more polar areas. People who live in polar areas need less melanin/more vitamin D.
I know. People with lots of melanin therefore can't live in arctic areas.
Duh?
The wording was weird.
GOT MELANIN ANYONE?
Unblind Africanus
It is a sad and unfortunate fact that many people of Afrikan descent need to be reminded of black history month, once a year, in order for them to grasp at a few straws of self-awareness. The minds of these victims are too busy trying to emulate European behavior and “civilization” to initiate a serious exploration and “inploration” into their true essence. This goes to many extremes and is something that affects our situation negatively as well as “niggatively". I am often dismayed but no longer surprised at the amount of my brothers and sisters who lack knowledge of self to the extent that, they are not aware of what melanin is. This fundamental determinant which makes us who we are as a people has not been taught to them and they have not taken the initiative to find out about it.
To start at the beginning: Melanin is a Greek name (from melanos) which denotes the color black. It is true however that before the Greeks appropriated Afrikan civilization and science, in KMT or Egypt (which is a Greek misguided name) the ancient black Egyptian (Metu Nefer) word that had the blackest connotation was KMT and they named themselves by it (kamau). On a psychological level, the study of melanin is a key to unlock mental slavery of black people. Melanin is the fundamental unit of the universe and can exist in four forms including Cosmic Melanin, Planetary Melanin, Plant Kingdom Melanin (chlorophyll) and Animal Kingdom melanin (black pigmentation). The latter is the appropriate field of study for Afrikans.
In humans, tyrosine, an amino acid, is the main nutrient. Tyrosine is a precursor of melanin and lays the foundation for melanin to be produced. The body must contain an enzyme known as tyrosinase and copper to be able to use tyrosine to create melanin. In humans there are three types of melanin. The first being Eumelanin which has a high electric charge, high molecular weight and density and gives rise to colors from dark brown to blue black. A less dense form of melanin with lower molecular weight is known as pheo-melanin or pseudo-melanin. It has been established that those with no melanin have quite a few more cancers and genetic disorders than those with pheo-melanin. It is also true that people with pheo-melanin have also quite a few more cancerous developments than those with Eumelanin.
The organ of the human body with the largest surface area is, of course, the skin. Many people are aware that the deep concentration of melanin in African peoples skin makes them black and enables them to use the rays of the sun more effectively than our less “melanated” counterparts, but what few know is that melanin is not only present in our skin but it permeates our whole physical being. It is contained in a small battery cell called a Melanosome. The degree of blackness in various organs in Afrikan people depends on the type of melanin contained and its weight.
Melanin is present in each organ and regulates the workings of our brain. Within the human brain stem are 12 centers of black melanin. On the earth, only humans have deep pigmentation of all twelve-brain centers. The brain center with the deepest pigmentation is the Locus Coeruleus or Black Dot. The Locus Coeruleus supplies the pineal gland with norepinephrine. The pineal gland controls the flow of melatonin during the night hours to activate R.E.M sleep which allows us to communicate with internal memory pools or other dimensions of life in nature. Melanin also causes seratonin to flow more effectively in the waking state so to “inspirience” more spirituality. This also helps to keep spiritual intunement at an apex. The less melanin in an individual, the more calcified the pineal gland and less access the individual has to the spiritual world.
Melanin exists also as biopigment for vision in the eyes of humans and all vertebrates. Color vision is produced in the retina by melanin through photopigments. These allow deeper melanin concentrations, offer protection from the sun as well as a fuller vision of the color spectrum. The melanin content in the inner ear also is of great importance. Through this ear pigmentation, it was found that increased melanin increases hearing frequencies. Melanin is also used to make the Black Dot more in touch with the universe. This Black Dot (Third Eye) was seen by our Kemetic ancestors as the access point to inner wisdom and divinity. This was the invisible door to the pyramid which when activated would decipher the mysteries.
Melanin in its most concentrated form is black. It is black because its chemical structure will not allow any energy to escape once that energy has come in contact with it. This gives us an insight and shows that melanin dominant people do not require the same amount of minerals and nutrients in their diet as people with less melanin.
Melanin absorbs light rays and stores them so that they can be used as energy later on. This is why Melanin dominant people are able to use sunlight more effectively. A perfect example of melanin’s use is related to Vitamin D. Vitamin D can be found in the skin of melanin dominant individuals after sun exposure, whereas less “melanated” people require the intake of dairy products to secrete vitamin D. It is important for people with high melanin content not to indulge in dairy products because after the age of 5, 80% of highly melanated people are lactose intolerant. For our people, eating diary leads to blockage diseases in the body. So instead of asking your brothers and sisters if they “Got milk?” you need to ask them the question, “Got Melanin?” This is just one example and also a brief look at the pervasive manifestations of melanin and its uses. It is a fact that we have ceased to know about our melanin and ceased to use it accordingly. The key to our liberation is the reactivation of our melanin faculties.
The author of this article intends for everyone who reads it to research melanin and hence research their true self. It is important for us to know some basic fundamentals on the energy governing our life. For further research, two highly recommended books upon which this article was fed are: Melanin:a key to freedom by Richard King M.D and Vitamins and Minerals: from a to z by Jewel Pookrum.
I figured, you knew the correct version of things, so I figured you had misunderstood it.
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I hate to break it to these silly people who think that Melanin is somehow magic, but melanin is a pigment, produced by melanocytes in the Stratum Basale level of the epidermis. Melanin is a frickin pigment.
It is produced within the dendrites of the melanocyte, which bubbles off into melanosomes (intracellular vesicle) which rises through the skin to and merges with the plasma membrane of the keratinocytes, dumping the melanin into the cell. The melanin is carried by transport proteins to surround the nucleus. Hooray!
It just never ceases to amuse me over how excited/gullible the scientifically illiterate can be over a pigment. It amuses me to no end trolling their Youtube videos. Every time I get called "close minded" because I require scientific evidence before I stop ridiculing their insanities, I wear it as a badge of honor. ;D
lol wow, I didn't even know that belief existed. And this theory is no better than the original melanin theory, that melanin proves that black people are dumb.
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How does this Melanin theory deal with the fact that Africa is the most fucked up continent on Earth?
This seems a little borderline, but I have faith that you are not trying to implicate any racist ideologies here. But regardless of Melanin theory or not, it has been argued that Africa is "fucked up" because of the existential rape of its land and peoples. Other than that, Africa isn't really like what they show you on television or South Park. The middle class of many nations rose to near western standards in recent times
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Melanin keeps you from absorbing/using vitamin D making you sick if you live in more polar areas. It basically makes you a plant, lol.
No, it keeps you from absorbing dangerous UV rays. Lack of melanin helps to absorb vitamin D.
You said what I said except with some odd notion of intent. If lack of melanin doesn't help you absorb vitamin D, melanin prevents us from absorbing vitamin D by blocking helpful UV radiation, and even slowing genetic variation in our DNA. It could be said that melanin slows genetic diversity causing slowed evolution.
Troll bait right here, but I'll bite
Melanin doesn't slow down genetic variation. That is absurd, all you have shown is that melanin reduces cancer and aging of the skin. UV radiation doesn't cause changes in the DNA of the testes or the ovaries, unless you like to sit outside with your bloody testicles outside the sac.
http://www.understandingrace.org/humvar/race_humvar.html
Its a page by the American Anthropological Association.
whatever that is
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Neuromelanin is the dark pigment present in pigment bearing neurons of four deep brain nuclei: the substantia nigra (in Latin, literally "black substance") - Pars Compacta part, the locus coeruleus ("blue spot"), the dorsal motor nucleus of the vagus nerve (cranial nerve X), and the median raphe nucleus of the pons. Both the substantia nigra and locus coeruleus can be easily identified grossly at the time of autopsy because of their dark pigmentation. In humans, these nuclei are not pigmented at the time of birth, but develop pigmentation during maturation to adulthood. Although the functional nature of neuromelanin is unknown in the brain, it may be a byproduct of the synthesis of monoamine neurotransmitters for which the pigmented neurons are the only source. The loss of pigmented neurons from specific nuclei is seen in a variety of neurodegenerative diseases. In Parkinson's disease there is massive loss of dopamine producing pigmented neurons in the substantia nigra. Neuromelanin has been detected in primates and in carnivores such as cats and dogs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanin)
I suppose a certain type of melanin may be responsible for proper brain function. Unfortunately, there don't seem to be any studies as to whether or not Eumelanin quantities present in skin and hair correlate with neuromelanin in the brain. I suspect not.
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Neuromelanin is the dark pigment present in pigment bearing neurons of four deep brain nuclei: the substantia nigra (in Latin, literally "black substance") - Pars Compacta part, the locus coeruleus ("blue spot"), the dorsal motor nucleus of the vagus nerve (cranial nerve X), and the median raphe nucleus of the pons. Both the substantia nigra and locus coeruleus can be easily identified grossly at the time of autopsy because of their dark pigmentation. In humans, these nuclei are not pigmented at the time of birth, but develop pigmentation during maturation to adulthood. Although the functional nature of neuromelanin is unknown in the brain, it may be a byproduct of the synthesis of monoamine neurotransmitters for which the pigmented neurons are the only source. The loss of pigmented neurons from specific nuclei is seen in a variety of neurodegenerative diseases. In Parkinson's disease there is massive loss of dopamine producing pigmented neurons in the substantia nigra. Neuromelanin has been detected in primates and in carnivores such as cats and dogs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanin)
I suppose a certain type of melanin may be responsible for proper brain function. Unfortunately, there don't seem to be any studies as to whether or not Eumelanin quantities present in skin and hair correlate with neuromelanin in the brain. I suspect not.
And there would be no reason for the two to evolve together. and obviously melanin makes no real difference.
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...lets look at the facts
Whats proven is that dark melanin is VERY important healthwise.
Science is wasting ALOT of money trying to examin the molecular structure of dark melanin...they ARENT going to find it...the cells have to be in vitro (living)...meaning it would take a HIGHLY intelluctual being to understand this...meaning they would have to have the MENTAL CAPACITY to produce this substance in MASS ABUNDANCE to understand that science ISNT ever going to figure out its structure...this is where SPIRITUALLY come into play...
those who LACK melanin...arent going to figure out its structure, because it CANT be examined (its ALWAYS changing)...this is WHY we call it magical because in order to produce melanin in MASS abundance...you have to be able to preform a certain type of alchemy...one that has yet to be understood.
The scientists have to KILL the melanocyte in order to even look at it under the microscope...(this should tell you something)
Ever wonder why some ppl are unable to produce this substance in MASS ABUNDANCE and some arent?
because its already been coded in their DNA the amt. of melanin someone will be able produce BEFORE the parents concieve the child.
..."well how can this be" ? one might ask
because it was coded in "THEIR" (grandparents) parents DNA how much melanin they will be able to produce...and so on.
What amazes me is the fact that an albino (how lacks total pigment)...has the mental capacity to know their limitations...but others want to push these limitations...and end up w/ skin cancer and other health disorders.
hope this helps
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Funny, if you ever stopped making tendentious arguments long enough to do a quick Google and PubMed search...you would see that the structure is well understood.
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Or here, I'll just copy it out for you.
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Her: " I didn't have time to read your book. Perhaps you should write one for your audience. I'm not a fan."
AKA tl;dr
EDIT: Shit, didn't realize this thread was so old.
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Funny, if you ever stopped making tendentious arguments long enough to do a quick Google and PubMed search...you would see that the structure is well understood.
...really...tell me more...im interested, im sure ur not mixing its general chemical formula (C18 H10 N2 O4)
with its exact Molecular Formula...because that remains a mystery
...hope this helps
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Funny, if you ever stopped making tendentious arguments long enough to do a quick Google and PubMed search...you would see that the structure is well understood.
http://www.seas.harvard.edu/ekaxiras/pubs/Papers/PRL_97_218102_2006.pdf
...hope this helps
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...lets look at the facts
Whats proven is that dark melanin is VERY important healthwise.
Science is wasting ALOT of money trying to examin the molecular structure of dark melanin...they ARENT going to find it...the cells have to be in vitro (living)...meaning it would take a HIGHLY intelluctual being to understand this...meaning they would have to have the MENTAL CAPACITY to produce this substance in MASS ABUNDANCE to understand that science ISNT ever going to figure out its structure...this is where SPIRITUALLY come into play...
those who LACK melanin...arent going to figure out its structure, because it CANT be examined (its ALWAYS changing)...this is WHY we call it magical because in order to produce melanin in MASS abundance...you have to be able to preform a certain type of alchemy...one that has yet to be understood.
The scientists have to KILL the melanocyte in order to even look at it under the microscope...(this should tell you something)
Ever wonder why some ppl are unable to produce this substance in MASS ABUNDANCE and some arent?
because its already been coded in their DNA the amt. of melanin someone will be able produce BEFORE the parents concieve the child.
..."well how can this be" ? one might ask
because it was coded in "THEIR" (grandparents) parents DNA how much melanin they will be able to produce...and so on.
What amazes me is the fact that an albino (how lacks total pigment)...has the mental capacity to know their limitations...but others want to push these limitations...and end up w/ skin cancer and other health disorders.
hope this helps
Eric?
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...lets look at the facts
Whats proven is that dark melanin is VERY important healthwise.
which kind and how?
Science is wasting ALOT of money trying to examin the molecular structure of dark melaninhow much? and how so?...they ARENT going to find itpersonal opinion with no basis...the cells have to be in vitro (living)baseless assertion....meaning it would take a HIGHLY intelluctual being to understand thisactually meaning it would take someone looking into an in vitro cell according to what you just said...meaning they would have to have the MENTAL CAPACITY to produce this substance in MASS ABUNDANCE to understand that science ISNT ever going to figure out its structureso you have to have this chemical to understand it? That's an odd assertion, there are no more major discoveries in the field of biology than there are by whites....this is where SPIRITUALLY come into play...spirituality does not explain the folding of molecules
those who LACK melanin...arent going to figure out its structure, because it CANT be examined (its ALWAYS changing)If it was always changing in structure than it would have different properties and would be a very useless macromolecule. The things that change the shape of a protein are salinity, temperature, pH etc. If those things aren't kept relatively stable you would be dead. Try again....this is WHY we call it magical because in order to produce melanin in MASS abundance...you have to be able to preform a certain type of alchemy...one that has yet to be understood.You don't have to perform "alchemy" you simply have to use an entire cell to produce it, which is a horribly non feasible thing to do for a chemical that has shown no medicinal promise.
The scientists have to KILL the melanocyte in order to even look at it under the microscope...(this should tell you something)Oh wow, it's difficult to look at a pigmented cell meant to block light that resides in the dermis? Who would have thought that? That's sarcasm btw.
Ever wonder why some ppl are unable to produce this substance in MASS ABUNDANCE and some arent?Because vitamin d is processed by light penetrating the skin, if you are in a low light area you need more light to penetrate the skin.
because its already been coded in their DNA the amt. of melanin someone will be able produce BEFORE the parents concieve the child.
..."well how can this be" ? one might askusing a system of 4 nucleotides, I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge.
because it was coded in "THEIR" (grandparents) parents DNA how much melanin they will be able to produce...and so on.
What amazes me is the fact that an albino (how lacks total pigment)...has the mental capacity to know their limitations...but others want to push these limitations...and end up w/ skin cancer and other health disorders. People high in melanin have a higher incidence of a bunch of other disorders, and blacks have the same incidence of cancer. Who would have thunked it?
hope this helps
I posted all of my answers to your statements in bold. Hope you take a flying leap you ignorant jackass.
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...lets look at the facts
Whats proven is that dark melanin is VERY important healthwise.
which kind and how?
Science is wasting ALOT of money trying to examin the molecular structure of dark melaninhow much? and how so?...they ARENT going to find itpersonal opinion with no basis...the cells have to be in vitro (living)baseless assertion....meaning it would take a HIGHLY intelluctual being to understand thisactually meaning it would take someone looking into an in vitro cell according to what you just said...meaning they would have to have the MENTAL CAPACITY to produce this substance in MASS ABUNDANCE to understand that science ISNT ever going to figure out its structureso you have to have this chemical to understand it? That's an odd assertion, there are no more major discoveries in the field of biology than there are by whites....this is where SPIRITUALLY come into play...spirituality does not explain the folding of molecules
those who LACK melanin...arent going to figure out its structure, because it CANT be examined (its ALWAYS changing)If it was always changing in structure than it would have different properties and would be a very useless macromolecule. The things that change the shape of a protein are salinity, temperature, pH etc. If those things aren't kept relatively stable you would be dead. Try again....this is WHY we call it magical because in order to produce melanin in MASS abundance...you have to be able to preform a certain type of alchemy...one that has yet to be understood.You don't have to perform "alchemy" you simply have to use an entire cell to produce it, which is a horribly non feasible thing to do for a chemical that has shown no medicinal promise.
The scientists have to KILL the melanocyte in order to even look at it under the microscope...(this should tell you something)Oh wow, it's difficult to look at a pigmented cell meant to block light that resides in the dermis? Who would have thought that? That's sarcasm btw.
Ever wonder why some ppl are unable to produce this substance in MASS ABUNDANCE and some arent?Because vitamin d is processed by light penetrating the skin, if you are in a low light area you need more light to penetrate the skin.
because its already been coded in their DNA the amt. of melanin someone will be able produce BEFORE the parents concieve the child.
..."well how can this be" ? one might askusing a system of 4 nucleotides, I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge.
because it was coded in "THEIR" (grandparents) parents DNA how much melanin they will be able to produce...and so on.
What amazes me is the fact that an albino (how lacks total pigment)...has the mental capacity to know their limitations...but others want to push these limitations...and end up w/ skin cancer and other health disorders. People high in melanin have a higher incidence of a bunch of other disorders, and blacks have the same incidence of cancer. Who would have thunked it?
hope this helps
I posted all of my answers to your statements in bold. Hope you take a flying leap you ignorant jackass.
wow...ur inner neanderthal is showing
which kind and how?
http://www.seas.harvard.edu/ekaxiras/pubs/Papers/PRL_97_218102_2006.pdf
how much? and how so?
(i wonder how much this bad boy cost)
"actually meaning it would take someone looking into an in vitro cell according to what you just said"
no doe doe...meaning that it would take a highly intelluctually person to reasize that that "UR NOT GOING TO FIND THE MOLECULAR STRUCTURE OF EUMELANIN in humans by killing it.
"so you have to have this chemical to understand it? That's an odd assertion, there are no more major discoveries in the field of biology than there are by whites."
?????
"Because vitamin d is processed by light penetrating the skin, if you are in a low light area you need more light to penetrate the skin."
Eumelanin is an ancient substance...its been here for billions of years...vitamin D is the white mans reality...they need it not those with an abundance of melanin
i dont argue w/ idiots...hope this helps
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It kind of makes me wonder, why isn't the Africa some super-hyper-intelligent-advanced continent yet.
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It kind of makes me wonder, why isn't the Africa some super-hyper-intelligent-advanced continent yet.
hope ur not mixing "book smarts" with common sense..those ppl are colonized...they dont know who they are and forgot who they were...just like the negros over here
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...lets look at the facts
Whats proven is that dark melanin is VERY important healthwise.
which kind and how?
Science is wasting ALOT of money trying to examin the molecular structure of dark melaninhow much? and how so?...they ARENT going to find itpersonal opinion with no basis...the cells have to be in vitro (living)baseless assertion....meaning it would take a HIGHLY intelluctual being to understand thisactually meaning it would take someone looking into an in vitro cell according to what you just said...meaning they would have to have the MENTAL CAPACITY to produce this substance in MASS ABUNDANCE to understand that science ISNT ever going to figure out its structureso you have to have this chemical to understand it? That's an odd assertion, there are no more major discoveries in the field of biology than there are by whites....this is where SPIRITUALLY come into play...spirituality does not explain the folding of molecules
those who LACK melanin...arent going to figure out its structure, because it CANT be examined (its ALWAYS changing)If it was always changing in structure than it would have different properties and would be a very useless macromolecule. The things that change the shape of a protein are salinity, temperature, pH etc. If those things aren't kept relatively stable you would be dead. Try again....this is WHY we call it magical because in order to produce melanin in MASS abundance...you have to be able to preform a certain type of alchemy...one that has yet to be understood.You don't have to perform "alchemy" you simply have to use an entire cell to produce it, which is a horribly non feasible thing to do for a chemical that has shown no medicinal promise.
The scientists have to KILL the melanocyte in order to even look at it under the microscope...(this should tell you something)Oh wow, it's difficult to look at a pigmented cell meant to block light that resides in the dermis? Who would have thought that? That's sarcasm btw.
Ever wonder why some ppl are unable to produce this substance in MASS ABUNDANCE and some arent?Because vitamin d is processed by light penetrating the skin, if you are in a low light area you need more light to penetrate the skin.
because its already been coded in their DNA the amt. of melanin someone will be able produce BEFORE the parents concieve the child.
..."well how can this be" ? one might askusing a system of 4 nucleotides, I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge.
because it was coded in "THEIR" (grandparents) parents DNA how much melanin they will be able to produce...and so on.
What amazes me is the fact that an albino (how lacks total pigment)...has the mental capacity to know their limitations...but others want to push these limitations...and end up w/ skin cancer and other health disorders. People high in melanin have a higher incidence of a bunch of other disorders, and blacks have the same incidence of cancer. Who would have thunked it?
hope this helps
I posted all of my answers to your statements in bold. Hope you take a flying leap you ignorant jackass.
wow...ur inner neanderthal is showing
which kind and how?
http://www.seas.harvard.edu/ekaxiras/pubs/Papers/PRL_97_218102_2006.pdf
how much? and how so?
(i wonder how much this bad boy cost)
"actually meaning it would take someone looking into an in vitro cell according to what you just said"
no doe doe...meaning that it would take a highly intelluctually person to reasize that that "UR NOT GOING TO FIND THE MOLECULAR STRUCTURE OF EUMELANIN in humans by killing it.
"so you have to have this chemical to understand it? That's an odd assertion, there are no more major discoveries in the field of biology than there are by whites."
?????
"Because vitamin d is processed by light penetrating the skin, if you are in a low light area you need more light to penetrate the skin."
Eumelanin is an ancient substance...its been here for billions of years...vitamin D is the white mans reality...they need it not those with an abundance of melanin
i dont argue w/ idiots...hope this helps
Prices are very relative and that machine is not what would be used to identify the chemical structure of melanin, nor has it ever been used for such a purpose. Proteins secondary and tertiary structure is found by analyzing electromagnetic interactions between the amino acids.
"no doe doe...meaning that it would take a highly intelluctually person to reasize that that "UR NOT GOING TO FIND THE MOLECULAR STRUCTURE OF EUMELANIN in humans by killing it."
what? I don't understand what you are saying? If you meant "intellectually" and "realize" then I would answer by saying
You can't kill proteins, and removing them from a cell certainly won't denature them.
Sorry you couldn't understand my sentence with a single word omission, I should have realized that your intelligence wouldn't allow this. ::) I meant to say
"so you have to have this chemical to understand it? That's an odd assertion, there are no more major discoveries in the field of biology by dark skinned people than there are by whites."
"Eumelanin is an ancient substance...its been here for billions of years...vitamin D is the white mans reality...they need it not those with an abundance of melanin"
This sentence seems like it has a few errors but instead of insulting you for this atrocity I will try to understand your meaning and form a rebuttal. You do need vitamin d even if you have melanin. Eumelanin on the other hand is found only in dead cells as a pigment for hair. I see little relevance to how long a chemical has been produced by a species, but few things you say are relevant.
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It kind of makes me wonder, why isn't the Africa some super-hyper-intelligent-advanced continent yet.
hope ur not mixing "book smarts" with common sense..those ppl are colonized...they dont know who they are and forgot who they were...just like the negros over here
Ahh, excuses, excuses. It's better to say directly that melanin has nothing to do with intelligence.
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well heres a theory for the person who started this thread
-ur ability to produce melanin (or lack thereof) in mass abundance is already predetermined
BEFORE ur parents concieve, its determined BEFORE ur gender or race.
because it was predetermined in THEIR parents..and so on. either u have it or you dont
-the use is sunscreen in UNnatural...how old is the sun?...its been here for a long time
-since WHEN would the sun choose melanoma over the ability to synthesis vitD
most of these cant be answered by looking under the highest powerd microscopes..so dont atempt
the most science can do is concoct a synthetic version...and smear it on the bottom of their space shuttles so they dont overheat
hope this helps
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well heres a theory for the person who started this thread
-ur ability to produce melanin (or lack thereof) in mass abundance is already predeterminedso?
BEFORE ur parents concieve, its determined BEFORE ur gender or race.no it isn't
because it was predetermined in THEIR parents..and so on. either u have it or you donteh, your genes determine how much you produce but genes change, malfunction, etc. also very irrelevant to anything. Your ability to produce curly or straight hair is determined generations ago by your ancestors genes. Does that make curly hair special?
-the use is sunscreen in UNnatural...how old is the sun?...its been here for a long time The use of melanin is unnatural. How old is the sun? It's been here for a long time. Wow that works both ways.
-since WHEN would the sun choose melanoma over the ability to synthesis vitD
The sun is not a sentient being and has chosen neither. The human body does better with more melanin in a high sun environment, and better in a low light environment with less melanin. Either way what is your point?
most of these cant be answered by looking under the highest powerd microscopes..so dont atempt
How would a microscope explain evolutionary advantages?
the most science can do is concoct a synthetic version...and smear it on the bottom of their space shuttles so they dont overheatWhat are you smoking? Melanin smeared on a space shuttle would cause it to absorb light from the sun and cause it to overheat faster. Try using those magical "street smarts" in your arguments.
hope this helps
The only thing you've helped is the pro choice movement. They're using you as a poster child.
So..... good job.
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well heres a theory for the person who started this thread
-ur ability to produce melanin (or lack thereof) in mass abundance is already predeterminedso?
BEFORE ur parents concieve, its determined BEFORE ur gender or race.no it isn't
because it was predetermined in THEIR parents..and so on. either u have it or you donteh, your genes determine how much you produce but genes change, malfunction, etc. also very irrelevant to anything. Your ability to produce curly or straight hair is determined generations ago by your ancestors genes. Does that make curly hair special?
-the use is sunscreen in UNnatural...how old is the sun?...its been here for a long time The use of melanin is unnatural. How old is the sun? It's been here for a long time. Wow that works both ways.
-since WHEN would the sun choose melanoma over the ability to synthesis vitD
The sun is not a sentient being and has chosen neither. The human body does better with more melanin in a high sun environment, and better in a low light environment with less melanin. Either way what is your point?
most of these cant be answered by looking under the highest powerd microscopes..so dont atempt
How would a microscope explain evolutionary advantages?
the most science can do is concoct a synthetic version...and smear it on the bottom of their space shuttles so they dont overheatWhat are you smoking? Melanin smeared on a space shuttle would cause it to absorb light from the sun and cause it to overheat faster. Try using those magical "street smarts" in your arguments.
hope this helps
The only thing you've helped is the pro choice movement. They're using you as a poster child.
So..... good job.
any particular reason why you are feeding the troll? second is he saying that only white people need vitamin D?
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well heres a theory for the person who started this thread
-ur ability to produce melanin (or lack thereof) in mass abundance is already predeterminedso?
BEFORE ur parents concieve, its determined BEFORE ur gender or race.no it isn't
because it was predetermined in THEIR parents..and so on. either u have it or you donteh, your genes determine how much you produce but genes change, malfunction, etc. also very irrelevant to anything. Your ability to produce curly or straight hair is determined generations ago by your ancestors genes. Does that make curly hair special?
-the use is sunscreen in UNnatural...how old is the sun?...its been here for a long time The use of melanin is unnatural. How old is the sun? It's been here for a long time. Wow that works both ways.
-since WHEN would the sun choose melanoma over the ability to synthesis vitD
The sun is not a sentient being and has chosen neither. The human body does better with more melanin in a high sun environment, and better in a low light environment with less melanin. Either way what is your point?
most of these cant be answered by looking under the highest powerd microscopes..so dont atempt
How would a microscope explain evolutionary advantages?
the most science can do is concoct a synthetic version...and smear it on the bottom of their space shuttles so they dont overheatWhat are you smoking? Melanin smeared on a space shuttle would cause it to absorb light from the sun and cause it to overheat faster. Try using those magical "street smarts" in your arguments.
hope this helps
The only thing you've helped is the pro choice movement. They're using you as a poster child.
So..... good job.
any particular reason why you are feeding the troll? second is he saying that only white people need vitamin D?
A) that is the point of tfes. Arguing with this kind of person.
B) it would require massive brain damage to figure out what he is talking about with regards to vitamin d.
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Mm why are the Melanin believers always the most ignorant?
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the space shuttle is coated with a synthetic type melanin...dont look for the words MELANIN because ur not goin to find it...when u break the body down there is no such substance. just C=C (carbon to carbon) rings...without this substance coated on th underside od=f the shuttle it WOULD overheat
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/sts_sys.html
and no...i dont think nature would code for hair texture color or type OVER protection from the elements
my point is that no matter WHERE you are...there is always a sun...melanoma rates are highest in latitudes of low sunlight...explain this
this theory about vitD is worthless to those w/ deep pigment...no matter where they are because nature STILL wouldnt put melanoma over VitD...ppl are DYING from melanoma
how is melanin unnatural???
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the space shuttle is coated with a synthetic type melanin...dont look for the words MELANIN because ur not goin to find it...when u break the body down there is no such substance. just C=C (carbon to carbon) rings...without this substance coated on th underside od=f the shuttle it WOULD overheat
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/sts_sys.html
and no...i dont think nature would code for hair texture color or type OVER protection from the elements
my point is that no matter WHERE you are...there is always a sun...melanoma rates are highest in latitudes of low sunlight...explain this
this theory about vitD is worthless to those w/ deep pigment...no matter where they are because nature STILL wouldnt put melanoma over VitD...ppl are DYING from melanoma
how is melanin unnatural???
I disagree, in the distant past, when people were lucky to live to the ripe old age of 35, rickets related death due to vitamin d deficiency would have outweighed melanoma related deaths in the breeding population.
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..and as ive said before
even an albino has the mental capacity to know their limitations...but others want to test nature.
they (whites) want to call it a tan...when they cant even produce this substance...this is why they are dying
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nothing outweighs melanoma...nothing
theres ALWAYS going to be a sun
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According to your theory aren't whites central nervous systems not supposed to work? Because mine works just fine and I assure you I am not dying and probably am much more intelligent than you...
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the space shuttle is coated with a synthetic type melanin...dont look for the words MELANIN because ur not goin to find it...when u break the body down there is no such substance. just C=C (carbon to carbon) rings...without this substance coated on th underside od=f the shuttle it WOULD overheat
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/sts_sys.html
and no...i dont think nature would code for hair texture color or type OVER protection from the elements
my point is that no matter WHERE you are...there is always a sun...melanoma rates are highest in latitudes of low sunlight...explain this
this theory about vitD is worthless to those w/ deep pigment...no matter where they are because nature STILL wouldnt put melanoma over VitD...ppl are DYING from melanoma
how is melanin unnatural???
Vitamin D causes a negative feedback loop with melanin. If melanin was so beneficial why would people who migrated north lose their melanin? The answer, we need some exposure to the sun. Melanin is actually a completely detrimental substance that is only produced when we, stupidly, expose ourselves to far too much sun. Obviously melanin became much more common in those dumb enough to expose themselves to far too much sun. These people then developed a theory about how it gives them "mystical powers."
There is no "synthetic melanin" on the space shuttle, you are simply puffing the reefer. Funny enough there is a direct correlation between amount of melanin and drug abuse. Throughout history those who have claimed mystical powers have used drugs to go into trances. Perhaps you simply have a drug problem.
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Drugs are bad mmmk
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nothing outweighs melanoma...nothing
theres ALWAYS going to be a sun
It is estimated that 68,130 men and women (38,870 men and 29,260 women) will be diagnosed with and 8,700 men and women will die of melanoma of the skin in 2010. Approximately 0.8% were diagnosed under age 20; 7.5% between 20 and 34; 11.8% between 35 and 44; 18.7% between 45 and 54; 20.4% between 55 and 64; 17.8% between 65 and 74; 17.0% between 75 and 84; and 6.0% 85+ years of age.
Source: National Cancer Institute (http://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/melan.html)
It seems that in the US, with a population of 300,000,000, 0.02% of its population will develop melanoma this year, and 8.3% of that population who get melanoma, are under the age of 35. That seems like a very small fraction of the population. Even if we claim that only whites get melanoma, they account for 80% of the US population, (source: CIA world factbook (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html)) or 240,000,000 people, that would equate to only 0.03% of the white population in the USA per year, 91.7% of whom are over the age of 35 and would not really be a relevant demographic to look at in the distant past when average life expectancy was under 30. A child was probably more likely to die of rickets due to a combination of poor diet and vitamin d deficiency, than would die of skin cancer before they managed to reproduce.
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dude nobody said anything about mythical powers...and if you did research you would kno that the shuttles ARE coated w/ a synthetic version of what protects the body...its black for a reason..its the carbon in black skin that allows the body to absorb electromagnetic waves all kinds...and use that energy without causing damage to the body
go do ur reasearch before u comment
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everytime I've seen someone talking about Melanin they claim to have mystic powers, psychic powers or power over the sun...
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nothing outweighs melanoma...nothing
theres ALWAYS going to be a sun
It is estimated that 68,130 men and women (38,870 men and 29,260 women) will be diagnosed with and 8,700 men and women will die of melanoma of the skin in 2010. Approximately 0.8% were diagnosed under age 20; 7.5% between 20 and 34; 11.8% between 35 and 44; 18.7% between 45 and 54; 20.4% between 55 and 64; 17.8% between 65 and 74; 17.0% between 75 and 84; and 6.0% 85+ years of age.
Source: National Cancer Institute (http://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/melan.html)
It seems that in the US, with a population of 300,000,000, 0.02% of its population will develop melanoma this year, and 8.3% of that population who get melanoma, are under the age of 35. That seems like a very small fraction of the population. Even if we claim that only whites get melanoma, they account for 80% of the US population, (source: CIA world factbook (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html)) or 240,000,000 people, that would equate to only 0.03% of the white population in the USA per year, 91.7% of whom are over the age of 35 and would not really be a relevant demographic to look at in the distant past when average life expectancy was under 30. A child was probably more likely to die of rickets due to a combination of poor diet and vitamin d deficiency, than would die of skin cancer before they managed to reproduce.
im pretty sure the NCI is worried about rickets
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the space shuttle is coated with a synthetic type melanin...dont look for the words MELANIN because ur not goin to find it...when u break the body down there is no such substance. just C=C (carbon to carbon) rings...without this substance coated on th underside od=f the shuttle it WOULD overheat
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/sts_sys.html
and no...i dont think nature would code for hair texture color or type OVER protection from the elements
my point is that no matter WHERE you are...there is always a sun...melanoma rates are highest in latitudes of low sunlight...explain this
this theory about vitD is worthless to those w/ deep pigment...no matter where they are because nature STILL wouldnt put melanoma over VitD...ppl are DYING from melanoma
how is melanin unnatural???
did you actually read the article? A. the carbon is not used on the underside of the shuttle. it is used on the leading edges. B. So would you define any carbon ring as melanin? would you call benzene melanin?
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http://www.svihura.com/version1/ames/0920_019.JPG
looks black to me
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last time i looked...carbon in any natural form is black...even a diamond
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http://www.svihura.com/version1/ames/0920_019.JPG
looks black to me
do you believe that a black car is made up of carbon.?
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nothing outweighs melanoma...nothing
theres ALWAYS going to be a sun
It is estimated that 68,130 men and women (38,870 men and 29,260 women) will be diagnosed with and 8,700 men and women will die of melanoma of the skin in 2010. Approximately 0.8% were diagnosed under age 20; 7.5% between 20 and 34; 11.8% between 35 and 44; 18.7% between 45 and 54; 20.4% between 55 and 64; 17.8% between 65 and 74; 17.0% between 75 and 84; and 6.0% 85+ years of age.
Source: National Cancer Institute (http://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/melan.html)
It seems that in the US, with a population of 300,000,000, 0.02% of its population will develop melanoma this year, and 8.3% of that population who get melanoma, are under the age of 35. That seems like a very small fraction of the population. Even if we claim that only whites get melanoma, they account for 80% of the US population, (source: CIA world factbook (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html)) or 240,000,000 people, that would equate to only 0.03% of the white population in the USA per year, 91.7% of whom are over the age of 35 and would not really be a relevant demographic to look at in the distant past when average life expectancy was under 30. A child was probably more likely to die of rickets due to a combination of poor diet and vitamin d deficiency, than would die of skin cancer before they managed to reproduce.
im pretty sure the NCI is worried about rickets
That's what you took out of my reply? I would like a response to the bolded portion of my post please, it is relevant, because through most of our evolutionary history, people didn't live as long as they do now.
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last time i looked...carbon in any natural form is black...even a diamond
(http://www.wanderingeducators.com/files/featured/11.%20Raw%20Diamond%20in%20Matrix.JPG)
That is a picture of a raw diamond, they are octahedral in shape and as you can clearly see, they are not black.
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http://www.svihura.com/version1/ames/0920_019.JPG
looks black to me
do you believe that a black car is made up of carbon.?
Whaaaat?
cars are made of metal (hopefully)
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http://www.svihura.com/version1/ames/0920_019.JPG
looks black to me
do you believe that a black car is made up of carbon.?
Whaaaat?
cars are made of metal (hopefully)
and the bottom of the space shuttle is made of silica.
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Obvious melanin troll is obvious
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last time i looked...carbon in any natural form is black...even a diamond
(http://www.wanderingeducators.com/files/featured/11.%20Raw%20Diamond%20in%20Matrix.JPG)
That is a picture of a raw diamond, they are octahedral in shape and as you can clearly see, they are not black.
take a look at that CARBON matrix that white diamond is sitting on.diamonds are blue, black, brown, and white depending how and where they are formed
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http://www.svihura.com/version1/ames/0920_019.JPG
looks black to me
do you believe that a black car is made up of carbon.?
Whaaaat?
cars are made of metal (hopefully)
and the bottom of the space shuttle is made of silica.
not the one in this photo (the link i provided).
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http://www.svihura.com/version1/ames/0920_019.JPG
looks black to me
do you believe that a black car is made up of carbon.?
Whaaaat?
cars are made of metal (hopefully)
and the bottom of the space shuttle is made of silica.
funny why would they paint that white substance black?????
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last time i looked...carbon in any natural form is black...even a diamond
(http://www.wanderingeducators.com/files/featured/11.%20Raw%20Diamond%20in%20Matrix.JPG)
That is a picture of a raw diamond, they are octahedral in shape and as you can clearly see, they are not black.
take a look at that CARBON matrix that white diamond is sitting on.diamonds are blue, black, brown, and white depending how and where they are formed
I'm not looking at the matrix surrounding the diamond, the matrix is not the diamond, and the fact that you distinguished between the diamond and the surrounding material shows you know this as well.
Also, they don't paint the tiles, they are ceramic coated.
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http://www.svihura.com/version1/ames/0920_019.JPG
looks black to me
do you believe that a black car is made up of carbon.?
Whaaaat?
cars are made of metal (hopefully)
and the bottom of the space shuttle is made of silica.
funny why would they paint that white substance black?????
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/sts_sys.html#sts-rcc
same article you got your info from
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http://www.svihura.com/version1/ames/0920_019.JPG
looks black to me
do you believe that a black car is made up of carbon.?
Whaaaat?
cars are made of metal (hopefully)
and the bottom of the space shuttle is made of silica.
funny why would they paint that white substance black?????
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/sts_sys.html#sts-rcc
same article you got your info from
"Since carbon is a good thermal conductor, the adjacent aluminum and the metallic attachments must be protected from exceeding temperature limits by internal insulation."...directly from this article...
why would they pain the bottom of the shuttles black ?
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http://www.svihura.com/version1/ames/0920_019.JPG
looks black to me
do you believe that a black car is made up of carbon.?
Whaaaat?
cars are made of metal (hopefully)
and the bottom of the space shuttle is made of silica.
funny why would they paint that white substance black?????
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/sts_sys.html#sts-rcc
same article you got your info from
The HRSI tiles are coated on the top and sides with a mixture of powdered tetrasilicide and borosilicate glass with a liquid carrier. This material is sprayed on the tile to coating thicknesses of 16 to 18 mils. The coated tiles then are placed in an oven and heated to a temperature of 2,300 F. This results in a black, waterproof glossy coating that has a surface emittance of 0.85 and a solar absorptance of about 0.85. After the ceramic coating heating process, the remaining silica fibers are treated with a silicon resin to provide bulk waterproofing.
These HRSI tiles are the ones that are found mostly on the bottom side of the shuttle, except for the nose and leading edge of the wing. I don't see any mention of carbon in the maufacture of these tiles, and nowhere anywhere in that article is anything painted.
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http://www.svihura.com/version1/ames/0920_019.JPG
looks black to me
do you believe that a black car is made up of carbon.?
Whaaaat?
cars are made of metal (hopefully)
and the bottom of the space shuttle is made of silica.
funny why would they paint that white substance black?????
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/sts_sys.html#sts-rcc
same article you got your info from
The HRSI tiles are coated on the top and sides with a mixture of powdered tetrasilicide and borosilicate glass with a liquid carrier. This material is sprayed on the tile to coating thicknesses of 16 to 18 mils. The coated tiles then are placed in an oven and heated to a temperature of 2,300 F. This results in a black, waterproof glossy coating that has a surface emittance of 0.85 and a solar absorptance of about 0.85. After the ceramic coating heating process, the remaining silica fibers are treated with a silicon resin to provide bulk waterproofing.
These HRSI tiles are the ones that are found mostly on the bottom side of the shuttle, except for the nose and leading edge of the wing. I don't see any mention of carbon in the maufacture of these tiles, and nowhere anywhere in that article is anything painted.
the article mentions carbon-carbon bonds and if you looked at the shuttle...the underside is black
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http://www.nachohat.org/gallery/rockets_buran_space_shuttle/buran_space_shuttle_04
heres a pic of a russian shuttle...the underside is made of carbon tiles
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http://www.svihura.com/version1/ames/0920_019.JPG
looks black to me
do you believe that a black car is made up of carbon.?
Whaaaat?
cars are made of metal (hopefully)
and the bottom of the space shuttle is made of silica.
funny why would they paint that white substance black?????
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/sts_sys.html#sts-rcc
same article you got your info from
The HRSI tiles are coated on the top and sides with a mixture of powdered tetrasilicide and borosilicate glass with a liquid carrier. This material is sprayed on the tile to coating thicknesses of 16 to 18 mils. The coated tiles then are placed in an oven and heated to a temperature of 2,300 F. This results in a black, waterproof glossy coating that has a surface emittance of 0.85 and a solar absorptance of about 0.85. After the ceramic coating heating process, the remaining silica fibers are treated with a silicon resin to provide bulk waterproofing.
These HRSI tiles are the ones that are found mostly on the bottom side of the shuttle, except for the nose and leading edge of the wing. I don't see any mention of carbon in the maufacture of these tiles, and nowhere anywhere in that article is anything painted.
@EnigmaZV
thanks should have done that myself.
@murr. read the bold. it is black not because of the carbon.
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1. Reinforced carbon-carbon is used on the wing leading edges; the nose cap, including an area immediately aft of the nose cap on the lower surface (chine panel); and the immediate area around the forward orbiter/external tank structural attachment. RCC protects areas where temperatures exceed 2,300 F during entry.
2. Black high-temperature reusable surface insulation (HRSI) tiles are used in areas on the upper forward fuselage, including around the forward fuselage windows; the entire underside of the vehicle where RCC is not used; portions of the orbital maneuvering system and reaction control system pods; the leading and trailing edges of the vertical stabilizer; wing glove areas; elevon trailing edges; adjacent to the RCC on the upper wing surface; the base heat shield; the interface with wing leading edge RCC; and the upper body flap surface. The HRSI tiles protect areas where temperatures are below 2,300 F. These tiles have a black surface coating necessary for entry emittance.
So it looks like the RCC is used on the nose and leading edge of the wing, like I said, and silica tiles coated in silicon cover the rest of the underside of the shuttle, I'm glad we got that cleared up.
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1. Reinforced carbon-carbon is used on the wing leading edges; the nose cap, including an area immediately aft of the nose cap on the lower surface (chine panel); and the immediate area around the forward orbiter/external tank structural attachment. RCC protects areas where temperatures exceed 2,300 F during entry.
2. Black high-temperature reusable surface insulation (HRSI) tiles are used in areas on the upper forward fuselage, including around the forward fuselage windows; the entire underside of the vehicle where RCC is not used; portions of the orbital maneuvering system and reaction control system pods; the leading and trailing edges of the vertical stabilizer; wing glove areas; elevon trailing edges; adjacent to the RCC on the upper wing surface; the base heat shield; the interface with wing leading edge RCC; and the upper body flap surface. The HRSI tiles protect areas where temperatures are below 2,300 F. These tiles have a black surface coating necessary for entry emittance.
So it looks like the RCC is used on the nose and leading edge of the wing, like I said, and silica tiles coated in silicon cover the rest of the underside of the shuttle, I'm glad we got that cleared up.
obviously not...that article is from 1988
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1. Reinforced carbon-carbon is used on the wing leading edges; the nose cap, including an area immediately aft of the nose cap on the lower surface (chine panel); and the immediate area around the forward orbiter/external tank structural attachment. RCC protects areas where temperatures exceed 2,300 F during entry.
2. Black high-temperature reusable surface insulation (HRSI) tiles are used in areas on the upper forward fuselage, including around the forward fuselage windows; the entire underside of the vehicle where RCC is not used; portions of the orbital maneuvering system and reaction control system pods; the leading and trailing edges of the vertical stabilizer; wing glove areas; elevon trailing edges; adjacent to the RCC on the upper wing surface; the base heat shield; the interface with wing leading edge RCC; and the upper body flap surface. The HRSI tiles protect areas where temperatures are below 2,300 F. These tiles have a black surface coating necessary for entry emittance.
So it looks like the RCC is used on the nose and leading edge of the wing, like I said, and silica tiles coated in silicon cover the rest of the underside of the shuttle, I'm glad we got that cleared up.
obviously not...that article is from 1988
So are you saying that your source is not valid?
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http://www.nachohat.org/gallery/rockets_buran_space_shuttle/buran_space_shuttle_04
heres a pic of a russian shuttle...the underside is made of carbon tiles
I did some poking around, it looks like the Buran space shuttle used ceramic tiles on its underside for thermal protection.
For the BURAN orbiter three kinds of thermal protection were developed including forty thousand tiles of ceramic thermal protection tiles that surpass the strength of the materials used in the USA Space Shuttle construction.
Source (http://www.gizmohighway.com/history/buran.htm)
Just FYI, ceramics are mostly made of silicon.
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http://www.nachohat.org/gallery/rockets_buran_space_shuttle/buran_space_shuttle_04
heres a pic of a russian shuttle...the underside is made of carbon tiles
I did some poking around, it looks like the Buran space shuttle used ceramic tiles on its underside for thermal protection.
For the BURAN orbiter three kinds of thermal protection were developed including forty thousand tiles of ceramic thermal protection tiles that surpass the strength of the materials used in the USA Space Shuttle construction.
Source (http://www.gizmohighway.com/history/buran.htm)
Just FYI, ceramics are mostly made of silicon.
then maybe you can explain Why? this substance ends up black...i guess for decorative purposes huh
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It's probably black for very similar reasons to why the tiles on the NASA shuttles are black as referenced in your article:
The HRSI tiles are coated on the top and sides with a mixture of powdered tetrasilicide and borosilicate glass with a liquid carrier. This material is sprayed on the tile to coating thicknesses of 16 to 18 mils. The coated tiles then are placed in an oven and heated to a temperature of 2,300 F. This results in a black, waterproof glossy coating that has a surface emittance of 0.85 and a solar absorptance of about 0.85. After the ceramic coating heating process, the remaining silica fibers are treated with a silicon resin to provide bulk waterproofing.
Not everything that is black is made of carbon, some other elements which in pure form can be black include arsenic, silicon and selenium to name a few off the top of my head.
EDIT: I forgot that under certain conditions phosphorus can also be black.
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It's probably black for very similar reasons to why the tiles on the NASA shuttles are black as referenced in your article:
The HRSI tiles are coated on the top and sides with a mixture of powdered tetrasilicide and borosilicate glass with a liquid carrier. This material is sprayed on the tile to coating thicknesses of 16 to 18 mils. The coated tiles then are placed in an oven and heated to a temperature of 2,300 F. This results in a black, waterproof glossy coating that has a surface emittance of 0.85 and a solar absorptance of about 0.85. After the ceramic coating heating process, the remaining silica fibers are treated with a silicon resin to provide bulk waterproofing.
Not everything that is black is made of carbon, some other elements which in pure form can be black include arsenic, silicon and selenium to name a few off the top of my head.
ur right but obviously the undersides of ALL todays shuttles Are coated with Reinforced Carbon-Carbon (RCC), insulative tiles...that happen to Always end up Black
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ur right but obviously the undersides of ALL todays shuttles Are coated with Reinforced Carbon-Carbon (RCC), insulative tiles...that happen to Always end up Black
Source?
EDIT: I'm requesting a source that says that 1) RCC comes in tiles, and 2) RCC is all that is used.
Also, I'd like a source that stipulates that the colour of the tiles is relevant to its performance. They're not black because it's the best colour for re-entry or because it looks cool, if the tiles ended up being orange, NASA wouldn't have cared one bit, they would have used Black carbon nose pieces with orange ceramic tiles, it's not a beauty contest.
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ur right but obviously the undersides of ALL todays shuttles Are coated with Reinforced Carbon-Carbon (RCC), insulative tiles...that happen to Always end up Black
Source?
EDIT: I'm requesting a source that says that 1) RCC comes in tiles, and 2) RCC is all that is used.
look underneath Any of todays shuttles...and u will see little square objects...these are TILES
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http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/everydaylife/nasm_enterprise_prt.htm
look close
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ur right but obviously the undersides of ALL todays shuttles Are coated with Reinforced Carbon-Carbon (RCC), insulative tiles...that happen to Always end up Black
Source?
EDIT: I'm requesting a source that says that 1) RCC comes in tiles, and 2) RCC is all that is used.
look underneath Any of todays shuttles...and u will see little square objects...these are TILES
But are those tiles made of RCC? that is what you need to prove. yes the leading edges use RCC. check your source and make sure they are not just talking about the RCC being on the leading edge.
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ur right but obviously the undersides of ALL todays shuttles Are coated with Reinforced Carbon-Carbon (RCC), insulative tiles...that happen to Always end up Black
Source?
EDIT: I'm requesting a source that says that 1) RCC comes in tiles, and 2) RCC is all that is used.
look underneath Any of todays shuttles...and u will see little square objects...these are TILES
But are those tiles made of RCC? that is what you need to prove. yes the leading edges use RCC. check your source and make sure they are not just talking about the RCC being on the leading edge.
i dont Need to prove anything from THAT article from 1988
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ur right but obviously the undersides of ALL todays shuttles Are coated with Reinforced Carbon-Carbon (RCC), insulative tiles...that happen to Always end up Black
Source?
EDIT: I'm requesting a source that says that 1) RCC comes in tiles, and 2) RCC is all that is used.
look underneath Any of todays shuttles...and u will see little square objects...these are TILES
But are those tiles made of RCC? that is what you need to prove. yes the leading edges use RCC. check your source and make sure they are not just talking about the RCC being on the leading edge.
i dont Need to prove anything from THAT article from 1988
I don't care what article you use. you just need to find a source to back up your claim.
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http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/everydaylife/nasm_enterprise_prt.htm
look close
I also see white tiles, and a grey nosepiece.
Also, this source (http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/sts-tps.html) I found at NASA looks like essentially the same document you showed us before, but updated to 1994.
EDIT: It also looks as though the Shuttle Enterprise never made it to space, and was a pre80s aerodynamic test vehicle, that means that a source from 1988 would probably accurately reflect what materials were used on the surface of that shuttle.
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ohhh i see you already know all the shuttles are coated with this Black substance...ALL of them are black underneath
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ohhh i see you already know all the shuttles are coated with this Black substance...ALL of them are black underneath
Yes, but the tiles are made of silicon, what does that have to do with melanin?
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ohhh i see you already know all the shuttles are coated with this Black substance...ALL of them are black underneath
umm. you know all the shuttles are made of one of two groups and there are less then 20 total in the world. why would each shuttle be made differently?
i fail to see how the fact they are all black proves anything about carbon. it just shows they are made using the same concepts. so in short, yes it isn't that hard to know about all shuttles and B they will probably use the same materials.
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...ALL the shuttles are black underneath...are made of carbon tiles that absorb extreme temps...there are also while tiles but places in areas of the shuttle where temps dont reach those extreme temps
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ohhh i see you already know all the shuttles are coated with this Black substance...ALL of them are black underneath
Yes, but the tiles are made of silicon, what does that have to do with melanin?
its the carbon in the skin that gives it its black color (melanin) and can absorb heat quite well...thus allowing it to evenly distributed in such a manner that the body Doesnt overheat and cause DNA damage
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http://www.awesomestories.com/disasters/columbia-disaster/the-heat-tiles
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http://www.awesomestories.com/disasters/columbia-disaster/the-heat-tiles
Coated black ceramic tiles (known as High-Temperature Reusable Surface Insulation) cover many areas of the shuttle. They are found on its lower surface; in areas around the forward windows; on its upper body flap; at the base heat shield; on the "eyeballs" at the front of the Orbital Maneuvering System (OMS) pods; and on the leading and trailing edges of the vertical stabilizer and the rudder speed brake. Black tiles are located where temperatures on the outside of the shuttle are extreme.
This seems to be the same information as on the other site you said you didn't like because it was from 1988, that I found a replacement for dated 1994.
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Mmmm....arent you guys missing the obvious? Coal and other fossil fuels are mostly carbon, burn quite nicely, and are virtually worthless otherwise. Carbon can do some pretty cool things when arranged right, but there isnt anything magical about it, nor is there about melanin.
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Mmmm....arent you guys missing the obvious? Coal and other fossil fuels are mostly carbon, burn quite nicely, and are virtually worthless otherwise. Carbon can do some pretty cool things when arranged right, but there isnt anything magical about it, nor is there about melanin.
Ur right i guess it would take more than magic to cure skin cancer
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Mmmm....arent you guys missing the obvious? Coal and other fossil fuels are mostly carbon, burn quite nicely, and are virtually worthless otherwise. Carbon can do some pretty cool things when arranged right, but there isnt anything magical about it, nor is there about melanin.
Ur right i guess it would take more than magic to cure skin cancer
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Mmmm....arent you guys missing the obvious? Coal and other fossil fuels are mostly carbon, burn quite nicely, and are virtually worthless otherwise. Carbon can do some pretty cool things when arranged right, but there isnt anything magical about it, nor is there about melanin.
Ur right i guess it would take more than magic to cure skin cancer
I just think that it is funny that you are ascribing all of this to carbon, when all of the components of skin, white, black, and clear, and the human body in general, are carbon.
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Carbon would be the 3rd most abundant element present in the human body.
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ohhh i see you already know all the shuttles are coated with this Black substance...ALL of them are black underneath
Yes, but the tiles are made of silicon, what does that have to do with melanin?
its the carbon in the skin that gives it its black color (melanin) and can absorb heat quite well...thus allowing it to evenly distributed in such a manner that the body Doesnt overheat and cause DNA damage
Actually, melanin absorbs UV light and turns it into heat. You have that backwards.
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Oh dear God this is hilarious! :D
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Carbon would be the 3rd most abundant element present in the human body.
And I have also seen it listed as the second most common, but either way its mostly oxygen, hydrogen, and carbon.
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sure ur right BUT the carbon (in the form of melanin) reaches its Highest complexity in the black human...we hav More of it. Melanins are in plants (in the form if chlorophyll) and even fungus (which is inbetween a plant and animal). The color of and any Organic matter depends on how much carbon it contains..even soil. The darker the matter..the MORE carbon it contains
the MAIN proof eumelanin (and its photophotective properties) is More complex in black humans is that u need a higher intellect to even manufacture it. This involves a complex process involving the pineal and pituitary gland, photon emissions, H20 dispersment, krebs cycle …among others
these instructions Start in the brain (not when the sun hits the skin).
The opical properties of eumelanin (dark) allow it to absorb ALL electromagnetic frequencies transforms it into heat this complex process actually provides food to the body.
About 85% of the heat IS absorbed the rest is released. (so YOU hav that backwards)..the body cant absorb ALL heat…some of this heat is used to kill free radicals and some is used as food
All of the above special properties are taken into account that you are BLACK and the blacker you are the better
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of course the melanins ability of absorb sunlight is ONE way we use thia heat...BUT the body also has the ability to use the invisible frequencies to heat the body gamma as well as others
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Try the Zebrafish experiments.
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of course the melanins ability of absorb sunlight is ONE way we use thia heat...BUT the body also has the ability to use the invisible frequencies to heat the body gamma as well as others
This sentence makes no sense at all. Perhaps you should use your melanin to obtain grammar. I once had a mole full of melanin, did that give me invisible frequencies to heat my gamma? My doctor removed it with liquid nitrogen saying that it was bad, was he trying to steal my invisible frequencies?
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of course the melanins ability of absorb sunlight is ONE way we use thia heat...BUT the body also has the ability to use the invisible frequencies to heat the body gamma as well as others
Wow, its powerfull stuff!
"It's pure speculation but not outside the realm of possibility that melanin could be providing energy to skin cells," he says. "While it wouldn't be enough energy to fuel a run on the beach, maybe it could help you to open an eyelid."
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"frequencies to heat my gamma?"
lol whaaaat?
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ok...melanin has optical properties that allow it to absorb electromagnetic frequencies (radiation).... UV (visible light) as well as others that u cant see like gamma (which are t he MOST energetic) in order to even capture these waves...one must be vibrating at equal frequency
i hope this is better for u to understand
and im a girl
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ok...melanin has optical properties that allow it to absorb electromagnetic frequencies (radiation).... UV (visible light) as well as others that u cant see like gamma (which are t he MOST energetic) in order to even capture these waves...one must be vibrating at equal frequency
i hope this is better for u to understand
and im a girl
Ah, that explains it all. From what you have shown here your services would be much better in the kitchen. If you can't express yourself by putting together words, you might be able to do so by putting together a sandwich.
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ok...melanin has optical properties that allow it to absorb electromagnetic frequencies (radiation).... UV (visible light) as well as others that u cant see like gamma (which are t he MOST energetic) in order to even capture these waves...one must be vibrating at equal frequency
i hope this is better for u to understand
and im a girl
there was so much wrong with that... I am speechless. I read Raist comment first and thought that it was just another slightly inappropriate comment. then I read yours... I am truly hoping you are a troll... yet I am not 100% sure.
on the off chance you are not a troll,
A. UV is not visible. well that is assuming you are a mammal.
B. that last part about needing to vibrating at the same frequency... I am fairly sure i saw that in a movie. a real bad scifi movie. no that is not true.
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once again...im trying really hard to keep thing simple for u guys cause i know that you dont have the mental capacity (melanin) to even BEGIN to understand how this stuff works...there is light that comes from the sun...i meant that light doe doe PLUS we absorb the whole damn spectrum...OK...
i dont know how much MORE simpler i can explain it
from wiki definition of light:
"There are many sources of light. The most common light sources are thermal: a body at a given temperature emits a characteristic spectrum of black-body radiation. Examples include sunlight (the radiation emitted by the chromosphere of the Sun at around 6,000 K peaks in the visible region of the electromagnetic spectrum when plotted in wavelength units [1] and roughly 40% of sunlight is visible), incandescent light bulbs (which emit only around 10% of their energy as visible light and the remainder as infrared), and glowing solid particles in flames."
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once again...im trying really hard to keep thing simple for u guys cause i know that you dont have the mental capacity (melanin) to even BEGIN to understand how this stuff works...there is light that comes from the sun...i meant that light doe doe PLUS we absorb the whole damn spectrum...OK...
i dont know how much MORE simpler i can explain it
from wiki definition of light:
"There are many sources of light. The most common light sources are thermal: a body at a given temperature emits a characteristic spectrum of black-body radiation. Examples include sunlight (the radiation emitted by the chromosphere of the Sun at around 6,000 K peaks in the visible region of the electromagnetic spectrum when plotted in wavelength units [1] and roughly 40% of sunlight is visible), incandescent light bulbs (which emit only around 10% of their energy as visible light and the remainder as infrared), and glowing solid particles in flames."
Ok. That is how light is made. Now are you going to make a point or a sandwich? Either would make me happy.
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once again...im trying really hard to keep thing simple for u guys cause i know that you dont have the mental capacity (melanin) to even BEGIN to understand how this stuff works...there is light that comes from the sun...i meant that light doe doe PLUS we absorb the whole damn spectrum...OK...
i dont know how much MORE simpler i can explain it
from wiki definition of light:
"There are many sources of light. The most common light sources are thermal: a body at a given temperature emits a characteristic spectrum of black-body radiation. Examples include sunlight (the radiation emitted by the chromosphere of the Sun at around 6,000 K peaks in the visible region of the electromagnetic spectrum when plotted in wavelength units [1] and roughly 40% of sunlight is visible), incandescent light bulbs (which emit only around 10% of their energy as visible light and the remainder as infrared), and glowing solid particles in flames."
Ok. That is how light is made. Now are you going to make a point or a sandwich? Either would make me happy.
point already made
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luv u all
time for me go
bye bye
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once again...im trying really hard to keep thing simple for u guys cause i know that you dont have the mental capacity (melanin) to even BEGIN to understand how this stuff works...there is light that comes from the sun...i meant that light doe doe PLUS we absorb the whole damn spectrum...OK...
i dont know how much MORE simpler i can explain it
from wiki definition of light:
"There are many sources of light. The most common light sources are thermal: a body at a given temperature emits a characteristic spectrum of black-body radiation. Examples include sunlight (the radiation emitted by the chromosphere of the Sun at around 6,000 K peaks in the visible region of the electromagnetic spectrum when plotted in wavelength units [1] and roughly 40% of sunlight is visible), incandescent light bulbs (which emit only around 10% of their energy as visible light and the remainder as infrared), and glowing solid particles in flames."
Ok. That is how light is made. Now are you going to make a point or a sandwich? Either would make me happy.
point already made
You didn't make a point though. You just copy pasted how light is made in the sun, something having absolutely nothing to do with melanin.
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Muur, I think you will find that most people on here are capable of understanding complex issues quite well, so stop with the childish insults. Make a single point that supports your claims, and then argue it. Dont play this silly game of claiming that its all too complex for us rubes!
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sure ur right BUT the carbon (in the form of melanin)
Carbon isn't a "form of melanin", its an atom.
reaches its Highest complexity in the black human...we hav More of it.
That doesn't equate to "Highest complexity"
Melanins are in plants (in the form if chlorophyll) and even fungus (which is inbetween a plant and animal). The color of and any Organic matter depends on how much carbon it contains..even soil. The darker the matter..the MORE carbon it contains
What does that have to do with Melanin?
the MAIN proof eumelanin (and its photophotective properties) is More complex in black humans
Demonstrate the difference on a molecular level.
is that u need a higher intellect to even manufacture it.
That doesn't make any sense. Melanin is produced in the dermis, intellect has nothing to do with it.
(http://www.aad.org/education/students/_img/melanocyte2.jpg)
This involves a complex process involving the pineal and pituitary gland, photon emissions, H20 dispersment, krebs cycle …among others
Except it doesn't. Read a physiology text before you open your mouth and show that you have not the slightest clue what on earth you are talking about.
http://www.genome.jp/kegg/pathway/hsa/hsa04916.html
I understand this. You clearly do not.
these instructions Start in the brain (not when the sun hits the skin).
It starts in something called "DNA". If you stay in school long enough they will teach you about it in about 10th grade.
The opical properties of eumelanin (dark) allow it to absorb ALL electromagnetic frequencies transforms it into heat this complex process actually provides food to the body.
What biochemical process? You do realize you are suggesting humans photosynthesize?
About 85% of the heat IS absorbed the rest is released. (so YOU hav that backwards)..the body cant absorb ALL heat…some of this heat is used to kill free radicals and some is used as food
Citation?
All of the above special properties are taken into account that you are BLACK and the blacker you are the better
What nonsense. Get an education.
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once again...im trying really hard to keep thing simple for u guys cause i know that you dont have the mental capacity (melanin) to even BEGIN to understand how this stuff works...
Then why is it that we can spell and communicate with normal English and you can't?
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For those who don't know who Muur is, they are an Afrocentric (i.e a black supremacist who claims that ancient Greece, Egypt, Rome, China, Japan etc were all founded by negro populations).
They take their name from MU, the pseudo-historical lost continent in the pacific. Many Afrocentrics believe that the black race originated there, but that after a cataclysm their 'motherland' and advanced technology (including spaceships and lazor technology)were lost. Oddly though, most Afrocentrics are unaware that James Churchward (the inventor of MU) claimed it's inhabitants were white skinned and not dark.
''The dominant people [of Mu] were white in color with “clear white or olive skin''.
- James Churchward, The Lost Continent of Mu, 1931, p.18
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For those who don't know who Muur is, they are an Afrocentric (i.e a black supremacist who claims that ancient Greece, Egypt, Rome, China, Japan etc were all founded by negro populations).
They take their name from MU, the pseudo-historical lost continent in the pacific. Many Afrocentrics believe that the black race originated there, but that after a cataclysm their 'motherland' and advanced technology (including spaceships and lazor technology)were lost. Oddly though, most Afrocentrics are unaware that James Churchward (the inventor of MU) claimed it's inhabitants were white skinned and not dark.
''The dominant people [of Mu] were white in color with “clear white or olive skin''.
- James Churchward, The Lost Continent of Mu, 1931, p.18
Isn't that nearly an identical belief to the nazi's master race theory?
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For those who don't know who Muur is, they are an Afrocentric (i.e a black supremacist who claims that ancient Greece, Egypt, Rome, China, Japan etc were all founded by negro populations).
They take their name from MU, the pseudo-historical lost continent in the pacific. Many Afrocentrics believe that the black race originated there, but that after a cataclysm their 'motherland' and advanced technology (including spaceships and lazor technology)were lost. Oddly though, most Afrocentrics are unaware that James Churchward (the inventor of MU) claimed it's inhabitants were white skinned and not dark.
''The dominant people [of Mu] were white in color with “clear white or olive skin''.
- James Churchward, The Lost Continent of Mu, 1931, p.18
Isn't that nearly an identical belief to the nazi's master race theory?
The similarities are indeed ironic. Its all racist nonsense of course.
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http://energiaadebate.com/Articulos/noviembre2007/imagenesnov/Solis.pdf
humanphotosynthesis...now thats "afrocentrism"
...hope this helps
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almuuust forgot...
..lol u guys kill me
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LOL wow muur is back
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http://energiaadebate.com/Articulos/noviembre2007/imagenesnov/Solis.pdf
humanphotosynthesis...now thats "afrocentrism"
...hope this helps
The person who wrote the Solis article doesn't even know how to balance a chemical equation...
2H2O + Melanina <=> 2H2 + O2 + 4e-
Also:
"We have estimated that the third of all energy usually available to a human being comes from melanin, light and water."
How was this determined? There are absolutely no citations at the end of the article.
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If a third of all energy comes from melanin light and water, how come there is not one single study showing how living in the dark causes massive weight loss.
Fuck, I haven't seen the sun in half a year and I've put on 10 lbs. This seems contrary to what you say murr.
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2H2O + Melanina <=> 2H2 + O2 + 4e-
That's the funniest thing I've seen in this whole thread.
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Autero Herra Solis was the Commissioner of the International Boundary & Water Commission of US-MExico...theres ur citation...go look him up
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If a third of all energy comes from melanin light and water, how come there is not one single study showing how living in the dark causes massive weight loss.
Fuck, I haven't seen the sun in half a year and I've put on 10 lbs. This seems contrary to what you say murr.
lol Whaaaat?
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almuuust forgot...
..lol u guys kill me
The Moors were never black, they were arabic/berber.
(http://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/bog6.jpg)
Above: The famous Games Book of Alfonso X (13th century), which shows a blonde Spaniard on the left, playing chess with a Moor on the right.
The Moor is pale white skinned, with a red beard. Nothing black about him.
The only idiots who think the Moors were black are afrocentrics, but no real world scholar takes afrocentrism seriously.
The only place afrocentrics exist, are on the internet. ::)
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almuuust forgot...
..lol u guys kill me
The Moors were never black, they were arabic/berber.
(http://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/bog6.jpg)
Above: The famous Games Book of Alfonso X (13th century), which shows a blonde Spaniard on the left, playing chess with a Moor on the right.
The Moor is pale white skinned, with a red beard. Nothing black about him.
The only idiots who think the Moors were black are afrocentrics, but no real world scholar takes afrocentrism seriously.
The only place afrocentrics exist, are on the internet. ::)
sorrrry...not fallin for that one dude...i take noooo history from the whiteman...i kno who i am
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The Moors were Arabs/Berbers.
''Moor - in English usage, a Moroccan or, formerly, a member of the Muslim population of Spain, of mixed Arab, Spanish, and Berber origins, who created the Arab Andalusian civilization and subsequently settled as refugees in North Africa between the 11th and 17th centuries.'' - Encyclopædia Britannica
''Then Berbers and Arabs then joined in invading and conquering Spain, as a mixed race sprang up called the Moors.”
- Waverly’s ‘New Book of Knowledge’, Vol. 6
How the Moors physically depicted themselves:
(http://sites.google.com/site/zhokyhtye/_/rsrc/1289491381589/home/659px-Maler_der_Geschichte_von_Bay%C3%A2d_und_Riy%C3%A2d_002.jpg?height=363&width=400)
- From the 13th century Hadith Bay?? wa Riy??
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ySmu9_yas2Q/StDe51oGJYI/AAAAAAAAATk/mltoCfzS4ww/s320/IbnBattuta.jpg)
- Ibn Battuta
(http://www.angelfire.com/md/8/skylitzes/097-a.jpg)
- Depiction of Moorish Muslims by Johannes Skylitzes (11th century)
Where are the blacks? ??? ::)
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Autero Herra Solis was the Commissioner of the International Boundary & Water Commission of US-MExico...theres ur citation...go look him up
I couldn't find his article discussing his findings, perhaps you could give me the name and date of the peer reviewed journal he published these findings in?
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Cass has it right (fairly obviously, in this case). Muur's cofusion maybe with the Medi?val term 'blackamoor' which denotes a black person, from the same continent as the Moors.
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Autero Herra Solis was the Commissioner of the International Boundary & Water Commission of US-MExico...theres ur citation...go look him up
I couldn't find his article discussing his findings, perhaps you could give me the name and date of the peer reviewed journal he published these findings in?
http://www.azwater.gov/azdwr/arizona_mexico_water/award_program/default.htm
the majority of his work was done in he early 2000s..i guess his lack of "peer reviews" are what lead to gaining title of water commissioner...and several awards. dont need reviews to be able to figure this one out anyway...jus look at africa, their government has been controling their water source for awile now...modern science says we should only live about 3 days w/out water...they can go months without it
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Autero Herra Solis was the Commissioner of the International Boundary & Water Commission of US-MExico...theres ur citation...go look him up
I couldn't find his article discussing his findings, perhaps you could give me the name and date of the peer reviewed journal he published these findings in?
http://www.azwater.gov/azdwr/arizona_mexico_water/award_program/default.htm
the majority of his work was done in he early 2000s..i guess his lack of "peer reviews" are what lead to gaining title of water commissioner...and several awards. dont need reviews to be able to figure this one out anyway...jus look at africa, their government has been controling their water source for awile now...modern science says we should only live about 3 days w/out water...they can go months without it
I've never heard of anybody who goes months without water. Could you please show me a google earth satellite shot of one of these communities that lives so far away from any source of water it would be inconceivable that people would go collect it daily for their family?
Also, I don't understand what an award page has to do with the actual procedures he used to create these photocells. I've not been able to find any reference to his procedures anywhere.
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"Also, I don't understand what an award page has to do with the actual procedures he used to create these photocells. I've not been able to find any reference to his procedures anywhere."
sorry enigga...i dont think his patent will allow for the ACTUAL PROCEDURE
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
as for as ur other comment...
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Autero Herra Solis was the Commissioner of the International Boundary & Water Commission of US-MExico...theres ur citation...go look him up
I couldn't find his article discussing his findings, perhaps you could give me the name and date of the peer reviewed journal he published these findings in?
http://www.azwater.gov/azdwr/arizona_mexico_water/award_program/default.htm
the majority of his work was done in he early 2000s..i guess his lack of "peer reviews" are what lead to gaining title of water commissioner...and several awards. dont need reviews to be able to figure this one out anyway...jus look at africa, their government has been controling their water source for awile now...modern science says we should only live about 3 days w/out water...they can go months without it
I've never heard of anybody who goes months without water. Could you please show me a google earth satellite shot of one of these communities that lives so far away from any source of water it would be inconceivable that people would go collect it daily for their family?
Also, I don't understand what an award page has to do with the actual procedures he used to create these photocells. I've not been able to find any reference to his procedures anywhere.
my bad enigga...the procedures ARE in his patent
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
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Books which have debunked afrocentrism, i fully recommend:
Not Out Of Africa: How "Afrocentrism" Became An Excuse To Teach Myth As History by Mary Lefkowitz
http://www.amazon.com/Not-Out-Africa-Afrocentrism-Republic/dp/046509838X
-- Mary Lefkowitz takes aim at the basic claims of leading proponents of Afro-centrism, in this expansion of her New Republic article exposing flaws in the argument that black Africans were responsible for the great civilizations of Egypt and Greece that brought praise from historians and criticism from Afrocentrists. Lefkowitz argues that the Greeks' African heritage touted by Senegalese scholar Cheikh Anta Diop is based upon a single dubious source and that Egyptians never considered themselves black Africans, in fact, that they consciously disassociated themselves from blacks. She argues that the legacy of these two cultures remains so rich even foes of European civilization want to claim that legacy for themselves.
Black Athena Revisited by Mary Lefkowitz
-- Two classical scholars at Wellesley College have edited a collection of 20 articles, all attacking Martin Bernal's controversial interpretation of classical culture, Black Athena (Vol. 1, LJ 12/87; Vol 2, Rutgers Univ. Pr. 1991). The authors, experts in a variety of disciplines, including archaeology and linguistics as well as history and classics, criticize Bernal's two central contentions?that ancient Greek thought and culture derived largely from Egypt and that 19th-century scholars hid this fact for racist reasons. These arguments, claim Bernal's critics, are based largely on bad scholarship and ideological agendas.
Afrocentrism: Mythical Pasts and Imagined Homes by Stephen Howe
-- Afrocentrism, asserts Oxford historian Howe in this forceful scholarly critique, is a dogmatic ideology promoting a mythical vision of the past that involves an erroneous belief in fundamentally distinct African ways of knowing and feeling. Using archaeological and other studies, he refutes the claims of influential Afrocentrist Senegalese historian Cheikh Anta Diop, who held that ancient Egypt was a black African civilization and that a single cultural system unified the African continent.
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"Also, I don't understand what an award page has to do with the actual procedures he used to create these photocells. I've not been able to find any reference to his procedures anywhere."
sorry enigga...i dont think his patent will allow for the ACTUAL PROCEDURE
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
as for as ur other comment...
Excellent, thank you. There is quite a bit of information there, and it has been a while since I was in the biochemistry program. I'll look this over more closely and get back to you. So far, it appears as though there is some merit to your claim that some forms of melanin can act as electron transport channels.
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almuuust forgot...
..lol u guys kill me
The Moors were never black, they were arabic/berber.
(http://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/bog6.jpg)
Above: The famous Games Book of Alfonso X (13th century), which shows a blonde Spaniard on the left, playing chess with a Moor on the right.
The Moor is pale white skinned, with a red beard. Nothing black about him.
The only idiots who think the Moors were black are afrocentrics, but no real world scholar takes afrocentrism seriously.
The only place afrocentrics exist, are on the internet. ::)
sorrrry...not fallin for that one dude...i take noooo history from the whiteman...i kno who i am
....Uneducated and rather gullible.
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almuuust forgot...
..lol u guys kill me
The Moors were never black, they were arabic/berber.
(http://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/bog6.jpg)
Above: The famous Games Book of Alfonso X (13th century), which shows a blonde Spaniard on the left, playing chess with a Moor on the right.
The Moor is pale white skinned, with a red beard. Nothing black about him.
The only idiots who think the Moors were black are afrocentrics, but no real world scholar takes afrocentrism seriously.
The only place afrocentrics exist, are on the internet. ::)
sorrrry...not fallin for that one dude...i take noooo history from the whiteman...i kno who i am
....Uneducated and rather gullible.
lol...i guess i would be...if i took MY history from someone who just got here
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Nowhere is it stated that the Moors were black. The southern Spanish are closely related to the Moors, are they black? Didn't think so.
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almuuust forgot...
..lol u guys kill me
The Moors were never black, they were arabic/berber.
(http://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/bog6.jpg)
Above: The famous Games Book of Alfonso X (13th century), which shows a blonde Spaniard on the left, playing chess with a Moor on the right.
The Moor is pale white skinned, with a red beard. Nothing black about him.
The only idiots who think the Moors were black are afrocentrics, but no real world scholar takes afrocentrism seriously.
The only place afrocentrics exist, are on the internet. ::)
sorrrry...not fallin for that one dude...i take noooo history from the whiteman...i kno who i am
....Uneducated and rather gullible.
lol...i guess i would be...if i took MY history from someone who just got here
Yourself? Looking at the registration dates of other people here, the only one "who just got here" would be you.
Its okay, I agree with that.
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In other news I got myself banned from a Youtube channel for mocking melanin theory. Pseudoscience feels much better if you don't have someone laughing and contradicting your claim of "BUT COPPER CONTAINS CARBON, RIGHT???"
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Muur dear boy, please speak in comprehensible English. Surely if melanin so increases your intelligence, this should not be too much of a difficulty.
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In other news I got myself banned from a Youtube channel for mocking melanin theory. Pseudoscience feels much better if you don't have someone laughing and contradicting your claim of "BUT COPPER CONTAINS CARBON, RIGHT???"
i meant "earth" doe doe...i take no history from someone whos just got on earth...better
copper is copper and carbon is carbon. the only reason im still here (not for long) im waitin for enigga's response to the patent info i listed..i can see he has no reponse..and no , i dont believe u got BANNED from white owned youtube for your views on melanin. esp if you dont even know the diffrence btwn carbon and copper
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http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
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In other news I got myself banned from a Youtube channel for mocking melanin theory. Pseudoscience feels much better if you don't have someone laughing and contradicting your claim of "BUT COPPER CONTAINS CARBON, RIGHT???"
i meant "earth" doe doe...i take no history from someone whos just got on earth...better
What in heck are you talking about? Humanity has been around for several million years at least. Or are you a different species of Homo? :o
copper is copper and carbon is carbon.
God have mercy. ::)
the only reason im still here (not for long) im waitin for enigga's response to the patent info i listed..i can see he has no reponse..and no ,
....and to be laughed at. ;)
i dont believe u got BANNED from white owned youtube for your views on melanin.
I'm assuming it wasn't a white person, with all the black supremacist, racist swill they were spewing.
esp if you dont even know the diffrence btwn carbon and copper
I know the difference, you are the one who thinks they are the same thing. HJAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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those who need sunscreen havent been around as long as those that dont
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
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those who need sunscreen havent been around as long as those that dont
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
Appeal to antiquity.
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those who need sunscreen havent been around as long as those that dont
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
That isn't how melanogenesis works. Read a physiology textbook and try again.
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those who need sunscreen havent been around as long as those that dont
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
That isn't how melanogenesis works. Read a physiology textbook and try again.
fail..your books are meaningless, if they knew HOW the process worked, they wouldve found a cure for your skin cancer.
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
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those who need sunscreen havent been around as long as those that dont
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
Uh, I'm pretty sure that a person's age is not dependent on skin tone. In fact from what I've heard lighter skinned people are on average older.
I think you probably mean that "dark skinned people have been around longer" which wouldn't make sense as the light skinned people would have had to come from them.
Also, why are you proud of carrying a vestigial trait that serves no purpose?
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those who need sunscreen havent been around as long as those that dont
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
Uh, I'm pretty sure that a person's age is not dependent on skin tone. In fact from what I've heard lighter skinned people are on average older.
I think you probably mean that "dark skinned people have been around longer" which wouldn't make sense as the light skinned people would have had to come from them.
Also, why are you proud of carrying a vestigial trait that serves no purpose?
noooo you had it right. "those who need sunscreen havent been on this earth as long as those who DONT need sunscreen
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those who need sunscreen havent been around as long as those that dont
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
Uh, I'm pretty sure that a person's age is not dependent on skin tone. In fact from what I've heard lighter skinned people are on average older.
I think you probably mean that "dark skinned people have been around longer" which wouldn't make sense as the light skinned people would have had to come from them.
Also, why are you proud of carrying a vestigial trait that serves no purpose?
...i dont know how long it would take a someone who once had melanin to DEVolve into needing sunscreen
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Nothing devolves. There is no such thing.
You are stupid and so is this thread.
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Also, melanin does not make you magically invincible to sunlight. People with darker skin tan more easily than they burn, but they're still as vulnerable to skin cancer.
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those who need sunscreen havent been around as long as those that dont
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
That isn't how melanogenesis works. Read a physiology textbook and try again.
fail..your books are meaningless, if they knew HOW the process worked, they wouldve found a cure for your skin cancer.
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
Are you insane, Muur? I don't have skin cancer. ::)
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Nothing devolves. There is no such thing.
You are stupid and so is this thread.
Don't be hatin', Vindictus. I made this thread just to trap ignorant twits like muur so you and I can laugh, and realize how superior an education makes a person. ;D
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those who need sunscreen havent been around as long as those that dont
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
That isn't how melanogenesis works. Read a physiology textbook and try again.
fail..your books are meaningless, if they knew HOW the process worked, they wouldve found a cure for your skin cancer.
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
Are you insane, Muur? I don't have skin cancer. ::)
Nothing devolves. There is no such thing.
You are stupid and so is this thread.
Don't be hatin', Vindictus. I made this thread just to trap ignorant twits like muur so you and I can laugh, and realize how superior an education makes a person. ;D
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
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those who need sunscreen havent been around as long as those that dont
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
That isn't how melanogenesis works. Read a physiology textbook and try again.
fail..your books are meaningless, if they knew HOW the process worked, they wouldve found a cure for your skin cancer.
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
Are you insane, Muur? I don't have skin cancer. ::)
Nothing devolves. There is no such thing.
You are stupid and so is this thread.
Don't be hatin', Vindictus. I made this thread just to trap ignorant twits like muur so you and I can laugh, and realize how superior an education makes a person. ;D
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
Wow, muur, great job. You can look up a patent application. Now, do you understand the difference between a patent application and peer-reviewed biochemical research? That would be the next step, kid. ::)
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those who need sunscreen havent been around as long as those that dont
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
That isn't how melanogenesis works. Read a physiology textbook and try again.
fail..your books are meaningless, if they knew HOW the process worked, they wouldve found a cure for your skin cancer.
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
Are you insane, Muur? I don't have skin cancer. ::)
Nothing devolves. There is no such thing.
You are stupid and so is this thread.
Don't be hatin', Vindictus. I made this thread just to trap ignorant twits like muur so you and I can laugh, and realize how superior an education makes a person. ;D
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
Wow, muur, great job. You can look up a patent application. Now, do you understand the difference between a patent application and peer-reviewed biochemical research? That would be the next step, kid. ::)
maybe autero's LACK of peer reviews on this patent & and evidence of melanins ability to break up the water molecule is what got him the job as mexicos water commissioner...sooooo, i guess thats it pete...once again, thaaaanks for this post ;)
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gotta go my children...love you all
bye bye
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
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those who need sunscreen havent been around as long as those that dont
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
That isn't how melanogenesis works. Read a physiology textbook and try again.
fail..your books are meaningless, if they knew HOW the process worked, they wouldve found a cure for your skin cancer.
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
Are you insane, Muur? I don't have skin cancer. ::)
Nothing devolves. There is no such thing.
You are stupid and so is this thread.
Don't be hatin', Vindictus. I made this thread just to trap ignorant twits like muur so you and I can laugh, and realize how superior an education makes a person. ;D
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
Wow, muur, great job. You can look up a patent application. Now, do you understand the difference between a patent application and peer-reviewed biochemical research? That would be the next step, kid. ::)
maybe autero's LACK of peer reviews on this patent
You don't peer-review patents. Strike 1.
Learn how science works in the modern world.
& and evidence of melanins ability to break up the water molecule
A patent is a commercial claim on a technology that uses melanin to do such, it isn't proof that it can. Strike 2.
Learn what a patent actually is.
is what got him the job as mexicos water commissioner...sooooo, i guess thats it pete...once again, thaaaanks for this post ;)
Which is utterly irrelevant. Strike 3.
Learn what an "Appeal to Authority" is.
So now that you have three strikes, I want to know what grade of school you are in, I have a hard time believing it is anything past High School sophomore. ::)
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those who need sunscreen havent been around as long as those that dont
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
Uh, I'm pretty sure that a person's age is not dependent on skin tone. In fact from what I've heard lighter skinned people are on average older.
I think you probably mean that "dark skinned people have been around longer" which wouldn't make sense as the light skinned people would have had to come from them.
Also, why are you proud of carrying a vestigial trait that serves no purpose?
...i dont know how long it would take a someone who once had melanin to DEVolve into needing sunscreen
And worms have been here longer than all of us. I wouldn't exactly call them a step up from us.
If anything the trait for more skin tone is less evolved. Thank you for admitting your beastial traits. (I use this term not in a racially offensive way, but murr brought the age of this phenotype into the discussion making it free game for commentary)
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In other news I got myself banned from a Youtube channel for mocking melanin theory. Pseudoscience feels much better if you don't have someone laughing and contradicting your claim of "BUT COPPER CONTAINS CARBON, RIGHT???"
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
great post pete :-*
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Doesn't the repeated posting of that same link count as spam? It adds nothing to the discussion.
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Doesn't the repeated posting of that same link count as spam? It adds nothing to the discussion.
well...then maybe pete should take down the post called Melanin Theory..esp if he CANT prove that human photosynthesis isnt real..maybe he shouldve done his research before posting such a topic...cos now he jus looks plain stupid
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Doesn't the repeated posting of that same link count as spam? It adds nothing to the discussion.
well...then maybe pete should take down the post called Melanin Theory..esp if he CANT prove that human photosynthesis isnt real..maybe he shouldve done his research before posting such a topic...cos now he jus looks plain stupid
I don't photosynthesise. If anything a sunny day makes me tired. And what evidence is there that humans do photosynthesise? Honestly, I put more value on FET than this.
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Doesn't the repeated posting of that same link count as spam? It adds nothing to the discussion.
well...then maybe pete should take down the post called Melanin Theory..esp if he CANT prove that human photosynthesis isnt real..maybe he shouldve done his research before posting such a topic...cos now he jus looks plain stupid
I don't photosynthesise. If anything a sunny day makes me tired. And what evidence is there that humans do photosynthesise? Honestly, I put more value on FET than this.
since melanin (dark) absorbs all frequencies and uses that energy as nourishment, evidenced by the fact that melanin is able to take the water molecule and break it down into H and O2 and back again...then of course light skin...isnt going to do this as well as dark skin. evidenced by your statemant about getting tired on sunny days.
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
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Interesting, professor. Got any evidence of this claim?
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Interesting, professor. Got any evidence of this claim?
LOL...i guess i cant expect anyone w/ over 14,000 posts to actually have the time to read..."in the patent..IS the evidence"...doe doe
to make it moor simpler for you...basically this explains why you see no white race horses, no white nfl running backs, and how those lil african babies are able to go months to years on little to no water.
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u r realy dum
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Interesting, professor. Got any evidence of this claim?
LOL...i guess i cant expect anyone w/ over 14,000 posts to actually have the time to read..."in the patent..IS the evidence"...doe doe
to make it moor simpler for you...basically this explains why you see no white race horses, no white nfl running backs, and how those lil african babies are able to go months to years on little to no water.
That is incredible. Some of the most amazing facts I have ever seen. A child lasting months without water, you say? Would you care to cite one of the certainly abundant examples of this happening?
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Interesting, professor. Got any evidence of this claim?
LOL...i guess i cant expect anyone w/ over 14,000 posts to actually have the time to read..."in the patent..IS the evidence"...doe doe
to make it moor simpler for you...basically this explains why you see no white race horses, no white nfl running backs, and how those lil african babies are able to go months to years on little to no water.
So I could refuse a black child water for a month and it'd all be good?
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As long as you expose the child to plenty of warm, warm sunlight!
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Doesn't the repeated posting of that same link count as spam? It adds nothing to the discussion.
well...then maybe pete should take down the post called Melanin Theory..esp if he CANT prove that human photosynthesis isnt real..maybe he shouldve done his research before posting such a topic...cos now he jus looks plain stupid
I don't photosynthesise. If anything a sunny day makes me tired. And what evidence is there that humans do photosynthesise? Honestly, I put more value on FET than this.
since melanin (dark) absorbs all frequencies and uses that energy as nourishment, evidenced by the fact that melanin is able to take the water molecule and break it down into H and O2 and back again...then of course light skin...isnt going to do this as well as dark skin. evidenced by your statemant about getting tired on sunny days.
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
Please provide evidence that I am not black, dawg.
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Interesting, professor. Got any evidence of this claim?
LOL...i guess i cant expect anyone w/ over 14,000 posts to actually have the time to read..."in the patent..IS the evidence"...doe doe
to make it moor simpler for you...basically this explains why you see no white race horses, no white nfl running backs, and how those lil african babies are able to go months to years on little to no water.
AAAALLLL good dude...i see it seems commonplace for ppl in this forum to ask for proof or evidence when they cant understand something...read...i cant help you degenerates understand. heres a clue..[0025] and [0026] of the patent explain HOW this is possible...if you STILL cant understand ask ANY "water for africa charity"
www.waterforafrica.org.uk
waterwellsforafrica.org
h2oafrica.org
www.waterforchildrenafrica.org
thewaterproject.org
waterinafrica.org
cleanwaterforafrica.blogspot.com
www.oasiswaterforafrica.com
rosshirtwaterforafricafoundation.com
waterforlifeinafrica.org
www.peacecorps.gov/wws/water/africa
les try to stay on topic kids..i dont have time to debate whether or not the children in africa have access to indoor plumming
So d refuse a black child water for a month and it'd all be good?
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A patent is not evidence of anything except somebody patenting something.
That is it.
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A patent is not evidence of anything except somebody patenting something.
That is it.
once again...i dont think that mexico's water commissioner would go thru the trouble of applying for the patent..that PROVES melanins ability to continuously break up the water molucule...IF he didnt have proof that it could do so.. try to stay focused
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
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petes "theory" on melanin is making him look stupid...i suggest you HURRY up and tell him to remove it
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Interesting, professor. Got any evidence of this claim?
LOL...i guess i cant expect anyone w/ over 14,000 posts to actually have the time to read..."in the patent..IS the evidence"...doe doe
to make it moor simpler for you...basically this explains why you see no white race horses, no white nfl running backs, and how those lil african babies are able to go months to years on little to no water.
AAAALLLL good dude...i see it seems commonplace for ppl in this forum to ask for proof or evidence when they cant understand something...read...i cant help you degenerates understand. heres a clue..[0025] and [0026] of the patent explain HOW this is possible...if you STILL cant understand ask ANY "water for africa charity"
www.waterforafrica.org.uk
waterwellsforafrica.org
h2oafrica.org
www.waterforchildrenafrica.org
thewaterproject.org
waterinafrica.org
cleanwaterforafrica.blogspot.com
www.oasiswaterforafrica.com
rosshirtwaterforafricafoundation.com
waterforlifeinafrica.org
www.peacecorps.gov/wws/water/africa
les try to stay on topic kids..i dont have time to debate whether or not the children in africa have access to indoor plumming
So d refuse a black child water for a month and it'd all be good?
If they can go a month without water then why would they need water charities?
Also the patent is far too non specific to be viable. He lists that basically there is a molecule, or mixture of molecules, related to the melanin class of molecules, that will break down water when exposed to light.
This is hardly impressive and certainly doesnt mean it is done in the human body.
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Interesting, professor. Got any evidence of this claim?
LOL...i guess i cant expect anyone w/ over 14,000 posts to actually have the time to read..."in the patent..IS the evidence"...doe doe
to make it moor simpler for you...basically this explains why you see no white race horses, no white nfl running backs, and how those lil african babies are able to go months to years on little to no water.
AAAALLLL good dude...i see it seems commonplace for ppl in this forum to ask for proof or evidence when they cant understand something...read...i cant help you degenerates understand. heres a clue..[0025] and [0026] of the patent explain HOW this is possible...if you STILL cant understand ask ANY "water for africa charity"
www.waterforafrica.org.uk
waterwellsforafrica.org
h2oafrica.org
www.waterforchildrenafrica.org
thewaterproject.org
waterinafrica.org
cleanwaterforafrica.blogspot.com
www.oasiswaterforafrica.com
rosshirtwaterforafricafoundation.com
waterforlifeinafrica.org
www.peacecorps.gov/wws/water/africa
les try to stay on topic kids..i dont have time to debate whether or not the children in africa have access to indoor plumming
So d refuse a black child water for a month and it'd all be good?
If they can go a month without water then why would they need water charities?
Also the patent is far too non specific to be viable. He lists that basically there is a molecule, or mixture of molecules, related to the melanin class of molecules, that will break down water when exposed to light.
This is hardly impressive and certainly doesnt mean it is done in the human body.
..i dont know?...maybe THEY should read the patent..we all know what happens w/ that charity $ anyway
autero solis used eye melanin (cos they havent found a way to extract it from the skin).and the last i checked..the eye IS a prt of the body to prove that natural melanin is moor economical, effecive, and uses LESS energy (room temp) to do what the synthetic melanin does in the lab (2000 degrees)
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Interesting, professor. Got any evidence of this claim?
LOL...i guess i cant expect anyone w/ over 14,000 posts to actually have the time to read..."in the patent..IS the evidence"...doe doe
to make it moor simpler for you...basically this explains why you see no white race horses, no white nfl running backs, and how those lil african babies are able to go months to years on little to no water.
AAAALLLL good dude...i see it seems commonplace for ppl in this forum to ask for proof or evidence when they cant understand something...read...i cant help you degenerates understand. heres a clue..[0025] and [0026] of the patent explain HOW this is possible...if you STILL cant understand ask ANY "water for africa charity"
www.waterforafrica.org.uk
waterwellsforafrica.org
h2oafrica.org
www.waterforchildrenafrica.org
thewaterproject.org
waterinafrica.org
cleanwaterforafrica.blogspot.com
www.oasiswaterforafrica.com
rosshirtwaterforafricafoundation.com
waterforlifeinafrica.org
www.peacecorps.gov/wws/water/africa
les try to stay on topic kids..i dont have time to debate whether or not the children in africa have access to indoor plumming
So d refuse a black child water for a month and it'd all be good?
If they can go a month without water then why would they need water charities?
Also the patent is far too non specific to be viable. He lists that basically there is a molecule, or mixture of molecules, related to the melanin class of molecules, that will break down water when exposed to light.
This is hardly impressive and certainly doesnt mean it is done in the human body.
..i dont know?...maybe THEY should read the patent..we all know what happens w/ that charity $ anyway
autero solis used eye melanin (cos they havent found a way to extract it from the skin).and the last i checked..the eye IS a prt of the body to prove that natural melanin is moor economical, effecive, and uses LESS energy (room temp) to do what the synthetic melanin does in the lab (2000 degrees)
and?
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its not rocket science Racist...w/ all this talk about clean renewable energy in the form if biofuels (carbon), is an oxymoron...in order for it to be renewable...it has to has the intellegence to renew itself. theyve used everything from corn to algae. melanin as a biofuel is moor than effective because it has the intellegence to break up the water molecule (the same as chlorophyll) at Room Temp its able to do this w/ out preservatives AND it can do this over and over again.
this would explain why and how melanin in (its highest intellectual form) has been around so long..human photosynthesis
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its not rocket science Racist...w/ all this talk about clean renewable energy in the form if biofuels (carbon), is an oxymoron...in order for it to be renewable...it has to has the intellegence to renew itself. theyve used everything from corn to algae. melanin as a biofuel is moor than effective because it has the intellegence to break up the water molecule (the same as chlorophyll) at Room Temp its able to do this w/ out preservatives AND it can do this over and over again.
this would explain why and how melanin in (its highest intellectual form) has been around so long..human photosynthesis
I can read, my post said "and?" meaning what is the relevance to anything? Also melanin has no intelligence. Personification of molecules is rather silly, dontcha think?
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I think it's sillier to argue for science with someone who can't even spell correctly.
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its not rocket science Racist...w/ all this talk about clean renewable energy in the form if biofuels (carbon), is an oxymoron...in order for it to be renewable...it has to has the intellegence to renew itself. theyve used everything from corn to algae. melanin as a biofuel is moor than effective because it has the intellegence to break up the water molecule (the same as chlorophyll) at Room Temp its able to do this w/ out preservatives AND it can do this over and over again.
this would explain why and how melanin in (its highest intellectual form) has been around so long..human photosynthesis
I can read, my post said "and?" meaning what is the relevance to anything? Also melanin has no intelligence. Personification of molecules is rather silly, dontcha think?
omg racist...the theory about melanin comes in the form of ignorance..when we speak about clean renewable energy we look @ carbonbased matrials cos they abosorb and emit energy..plants dont hav the ability to do this once theyre harvested...carbons highest intellect comes in the form of the blackman & woman cos we have the highest amounts of carbon and we have...brains, plants dont hav brains. biofuels arent cost effective and a waste of $ the patent proves this ...very effectively for those who can read...ur better off jus getting a bike
biofuels are a joke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issues_relating_to_biofuels
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its not rocket science Racist...w/ all this talk about clean renewable energy in the form if biofuels (carbon), is an oxymoron...in order for it to be renewable...it has to has the intellegence to renew itself. theyve used everything from corn to algae. melanin as a biofuel is moor than effective because it has the intellegence to break up the water molecule (the same as chlorophyll) at Room Temp its able to do this w/ out preservatives AND it can do this over and over again.
this would explain why and how melanin in (its highest intellectual form) has been around so long..human photosynthesis
I don't think you comprehend what is meant by renewable energy.
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its not rocket science Racist...w/ all this talk about clean renewable energy in the form if biofuels (carbon), is an oxymoron...in order for it to be renewable...it has to has the intellegence to renew itself. theyve used everything from corn to algae. melanin as a biofuel is moor than effective because it has the intellegence to break up the water molecule (the same as chlorophyll) at Room Temp its able to do this w/ out preservatives AND it can do this over and over again.
this would explain why and how melanin in (its highest intellectual form) has been around so long..human photosynthesis
I can read, my post said "and?" meaning what is the relevance to anything? Also melanin has no intelligence. Personification of molecules is rather silly, dontcha think?
omg racist...the theory about melanin comes in the form of ignorance..when we speak about clean renewable energy we look @ carbonbased matrials cos they abosorb and emit energy..plants dont hav the ability to do this once theyre harvested...carbons highest intellect comes in the form of the blackman & woman cos we have the highest amounts of carbon and we have...brains, plants dont hav brains. biofuels arent cost effective and a waste of $ the patent proves this ...very effectively for those who can read...ur better off jus getting a bike
biofuels are a joke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issues_relating_to_biofuels
Actually blacks and whites have the same amount of carbon inside of them. It's good to know a plant can't emit energy after dying, could you explain what fire is?
Yes your theory does come from ignorance, thank you for admitting it, also please stop referring to me as "racist" you seem to be the only person between us that believes in the idea of race.
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its not rocket science Racist...w/ all this talk about clean renewable energy in the form if biofuels (carbon), is an oxymoron...in order for it to be renewable...it has to has the intellegence to renew itself. theyve used everything from corn to algae. melanin as a biofuel is moor than effective because it has the intellegence to break up the water molecule (the same as chlorophyll) at Room Temp its able to do this w/ out preservatives AND it can do this over and over again.
this would explain why and how melanin in (its highest intellectual form) has been around so long..human photosynthesis
I can read, my post said "and?" meaning what is the relevance to anything? Also melanin has no intelligence. Personification of molecules is rather silly, dontcha think?
omg racist...the theory about melanin comes in the form of ignorance..when we speak about clean renewable energy we look @ carbonbased matrials cos they abosorb and emit energy..plants dont hav the ability to do this once theyre harvested...carbons highest intellect comes in the form of the blackman & woman cos we have the highest amounts of carbon and we have...brains, plants dont hav brains. biofuels arent cost effective and a waste of $ the patent proves this ...very effectively for those who can read...ur better off jus getting a bike
biofuels are a joke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issues_relating_to_biofuels
Actually blacks and whites have the same amount of carbon inside of them. It's good to know a plant can't emit energy after dying, could you explain what fire is?
Yes your theory does come from ignorance, thank you for admitting it, also please stop referring to me as "racist" you seem to be the only person between us that believes in the idea of race.
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moor of it meaning density, the carbon in the black body is not only denser, but it decays slower and is more stable...its been around longer , sorry i dont understand hOW something can self combust once its already started to decay..and, actually i believe that there is NO such thing as race
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its not rocket science Racist...w/ all this talk about clean renewable energy in the form if biofuels (carbon), is an oxymoron...in order for it to be renewable...it has to has the intellegence to renew itself. theyve used everything from corn to algae. melanin as a biofuel is moor than effective because it has the intellegence to break up the water molecule (the same as chlorophyll) at Room Temp its able to do this w/ out preservatives AND it can do this over and over again.
this would explain why and how melanin in (its highest intellectual form) has been around so long..human photosynthesis
I can read, my post said "and?" meaning what is the relevance to anything? Also melanin has no intelligence. Personification of molecules is rather silly, dontcha think?
omg racist...the theory about melanin comes in the form of ignorance..when we speak about clean renewable energy we look @ carbonbased matrials cos they abosorb and emit energy..plants dont hav the ability to do this once theyre harvested...carbons highest intellect comes in the form of the blackman & woman cos we have the highest amounts of carbon and we have...brains, plants dont hav brains. biofuels arent cost effective and a waste of $ the patent proves this ...very effectively for those who can read...ur better off jus getting a bike
biofuels are a joke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issues_relating_to_biofuels
Actually blacks and whites have the same amount of carbon inside of them. It's good to know a plant can't emit energy after dying, could you explain what fire is?
Yes your theory does come from ignorance, thank you for admitting it, also please stop referring to me as "racist" you seem to be the only person between us that believes in the idea of race.
moor of it meaning density, the carbon in the black body is not only denser, but it decays slower and is more stable...its been around longer , sorry i dont understand hOW something can self combust once its already started to decay..and, actually i believe that there is NO such thing as race
The carbon in an African-American individual is not "denser", and it is not an exclusive isotope.
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carbons highest intellect comes in the form of the blackman & woman cos we have the highest amounts of carbon and we have...brains,
1. Prove your claim that you contain more carbon.
2. What in screaming heck does melanin have to do with your brain?
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its not rocket science Racist...w/ all this talk about clean renewable energy in the form if biofuels (carbon), is an oxymoron...in order for it to be renewable...it has to has the intellegence to renew itself. theyve used everything from corn to algae. melanin as a biofuel is moor than effective because it has the intellegence to break up the water molecule (the same as chlorophyll) at Room Temp its able to do this w/ out preservatives AND it can do this over and over again.
this would explain why and how melanin in (its highest intellectual form) has been around so long..human photosynthesis
I can read, my post said "and?" meaning what is the relevance to anything? Also melanin has no intelligence. Personification of molecules is rather silly, dontcha think?
omg racist...the theory about melanin comes in the form of ignorance..when we speak about clean renewable energy we look @ carbonbased matrials cos they abosorb and emit energy..plants dont hav the ability to do this once theyre harvested...carbons highest intellect comes in the form of the blackman & woman cos we have the highest amounts of carbon and we have...brains, plants dont hav brains. biofuels arent cost effective and a waste of $ the patent proves this ...very effectively for those who can read...ur better off jus getting a bike
biofuels are a joke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issues_relating_to_biofuels
Actually blacks and whites have the same amount of carbon inside of them. It's good to know a plant can't emit energy after dying, could you explain what fire is?
Yes your theory does come from ignorance, thank you for admitting it, also please stop referring to me as "racist" you seem to be the only person between us that believes in the idea of race.
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moor of it meaning density, the carbon in the black body is not only denser, but it decays slower and is more stable...its been around longer , sorry i dont understand hOW something can self combust once its already started to decay..and, actually i believe that there is NO such thing as race
SO no setting fire to dead plants. Thank you. Also, no your carbon is not "denser" as all atoms have nearly identical densities. Your statement makes no sense.
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Hehe, this thread is still going.
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until now ppl thought plants were the only living organisms to photosynthesis...the ability to do this IS what makes an organism CARBONBASED...white scientist dont understand HOW or whats makes blacks able to photosynthesis cos they still think melanin is jus a photoprotectant. HOW living organisms obtain their carbon is VERY important...white scientist think that the only way we obtain our carbon...is from the food we eat...not true
imagine this..there once being a time when there was no vegetation..we're not carbonbased cos of the foods we eat..(those of us that have the ability to photosynthesis)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthesis
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
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until now ppl thought plants were the only living organisms to photosynthesis...the ability to do this IS what makes an organism CARBONBASED...white scientist dont understand HOW or whats makes blacks able to photosynthesis cos they still think melanin is jus a photoprotectant. HOW living organisms obtain their carbon is VERY important...white scientist think that the only way we obtain our carbon...is from the food we eat...not true
imagine this..there once being a time when there was no vegetation..we're not carbonbased cos of the foods we eat..(those of us that have the ability to photosynthesis)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthesis
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
Black people do not photosynthesize. Good God.
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until now ppl thought plants were the only living organisms to photosynthesis...the ability to do this IS what makes an organism CARBONBASED...white scientist dont understand HOW or whats makes blacks able to photosynthesis cos they still think melanin is jus a photoprotectant. HOW living organisms obtain their carbon is VERY important...white scientist think that the only way we obtain our carbon...is from the food we eat...not true
imagine this..there once being a time when there was no vegetation..we're not carbonbased cos of the foods we eat..(those of us that have the ability to photosynthesis)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthesis
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
Black people do not photosynthesize. Good God.
prove it
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until now ppl thought plants were the only living organisms to photosynthesis...the ability to do this IS what makes an organism CARBONBASED...white scientist dont understand HOW or whats makes blacks able to photosynthesis cos they still think melanin is jus a photoprotectant. HOW living organisms obtain their carbon is VERY important...white scientist think that the only way we obtain our carbon...is from the food we eat...not true
imagine this..there once being a time when there was no vegetation..we're not carbonbased cos of the foods we eat..(those of us that have the ability to photosynthesis)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthesis
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
Black people do not photosynthesize. Good God.
prove it
Only as soon as you prove that the invisible purple unicorn does not exist.
God, muur, please stop humiliating yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof#cite_note-0 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof#cite_note-0)
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anyone (pete) that would post the topic "Melanin Theory" surly should be able to provide evidence of melanin being jus a theory...ive posted SEVERAL sources for in NOT being jus a theory...
ur the one lookin stupid...with ur "no evidence" showin ass
go look up "melanins ability to absorb energy" too many sources for me to link here...then choke
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anyone (pete) that would post the topic "Melanin Theory" surly should be able to provide evidence of melanin being jus a theory...ive posted SEVERAL sources for in NOT being jus a theory...
ur the one lookin stupid...with ur "no evidence" showin ass
go look up "melanins ability to absorb energy" too many sources for me to link here...then choke
Is your reading comprehension really as such that you can't figure out that I'm mocking melanin theory in this thread, not supporting it?
And do you understand that absorbing energy does not mean photosynthesis? You really are in over your head.
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a theory..is something that isnt well understood (ignorance)...some ppl think melanins ability are a theory cos they dont understand it...(and it NOT to be understood)..in its most intellectual form.. cos then they will start manufacturing it, so they manufacture SYNTHETIC melanin (which HAS no intelligence)
did you say photosynthesis has nothing to do w/ absorbing energy????
wow
maybe that came out wrong...in order for something to photosynthesize it HAS to have the ability absorb energy
http://www.nas.nasa.gov/About/Education/Ozone/radiation.html
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a theory..is something that isnt well understood (ignorance)...some ppl think melanins ability are a theory cos they dont understand it...(and it NOT to be understood)..in its most intellectual form.. cos then they will start manufacturing it, so they manufacture SYNTHETIC melanin (which HAS no intelligence)
did you say photosynthesis has nothing to do w/ absorbing energy????
wow
maybe that came out wrong...in order for something to photosynthesize it HAS to have the ability absorb energy
http://www.nas.nasa.gov/About/Education/Ozone/radiation.html
Jesus Christ muur, either back up your claims or stop wasting our time. Melanin is not intelligent, it is not involved in photosynthesis and black people cannot photosynthesize.
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prove it...you cant.
i jus gave you a patent that provided scientific PROOF that it does
Now omg...gee wilicers..prove ur point
i jus explained that carbonbased living organisms have substances called melanin (chlorophyll in plants)...this is what makes an living organisms CARBONBASED..it seperates us from a mineral like CARBON...all this dependant upon HOW we absorb the energy (on an subatomic level) determines what we look like on the macroatomic (outer body)...if you dont have the ability to abosorb energy from the enviromment (in a useful way)..bad things happen like skin cancer. Plants dont get skin cancer (i wonder why)...blacks have the LEAST incidences (i wonder why)...because we have the SAME ability the take the energy from the environment AND USE IT without damaging our dna
i use the term intellegence to refer to the fact that although plants also have this ability..they DONT have brains...so WHO has the ability to do this...the black man & woman
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body
black body radiation...scroll down to the white dude that has to cover his hand and arm w/ a black plastic bag to prove my point
now...prove that melanin has no intelligence
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prove it...you cant.
Do you not understand that I don't have to?
i jus gave you a patent that provided scientific PROOF that it does
A patent is not scientific proof, you poor child.
Now omg...gee wilicers..prove ur point
I'm asking you to prove yours. All you've done is throw a tantrum because us evul "white scientists" don't accept everything you say at face value.
i jus explained that carbonbased living organisms have substances called melanin (chlorophyll in plants)...
This is melanin.
(http://people.seas.harvard.edu/~shmeng/pic/melanin.jpg)
(http://www.benbest.com/nutrceut/chlorophyll.jpg)
And you have no idea what you are talking about.
this is what makes an living organisms CARBONBASED..
No, what makes us carbon based is that we use a carbon-based biochemistry. Take high school biology.
it seperates us from a mineral like CARBON...all this dependant upon HOW we absorb the energy (on an subatomic level) determines what we look like on the macroatomic (outer body)...
No.
if you dont have the ability to abosorb energy from the enviromment (in a useful way)..bad things happen like skin cancer.
No, what causes skin cancer is absorbing too much skin cancer. Good job getting it the wrong way around.
Plants dont get skin cancer (i wonder why)...
Because they don't have goddamn skin, maybe?
blacks have the LEAST incidences (i wonder why)...because we have the SAME ability the take the energy from the environment AND USE IT without damaging our dna
And also the highest incidence of vitamin D deficiency, wonder why. And no, you have not demonstrated that you have the magic power to utilize energy absorbed by dermal melanin.
i use the term intellegence to refer to the fact that although plants also have this ability..they DONT have brains...so WHO has the ability to do this...the black man & woman
And by your logic, every other animal with a nervous system and skin.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body
black body radiation...scroll down to the white dude that has to cover his hand and arm w/ a black plastic bag to prove my point
I hate to tell you, but your body does not absorb all radiation that impacts it. This proves absolutely nothing.
now...prove that melanin has no intelligence
Its a damn molecule, not a living organism? You'd have to be insane to think melanin is intelligent.
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i jus explained that carbonbased living organisms have substances called melanin (chlorophyll in plants)...this is what makes an living organisms CARBONBASED..it seperates us from a mineral like CARBON...all this dependant upon HOW we absorb the energy (on an subatomic level) determines what we look like on the macroatomic (outer body)...if you dont have the ability to abosorb energy from the enviromment (in a useful way)..bad things happen like skin cancer. Plants dont get skin cancer (i wonder why)...blacks have the LEAST incidences (i wonder why)...because we have the SAME ability the take the energy from the environment AND USE IT without damaging our dna
i use the term intellegence to refer to the fact that although plants also have this ability..they DONT have brains...so WHO has the ability to do this...the black man & woman
Plants don't get skin cancer because they don't have skin. As far as I know black people still have the need to eat as much as any white man. There is no subatomic difference between blacks and whites. You are really beginning to look stupid now.
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...wow i dont know where to start...nothing u say makes since. molecules ARE made of atoms...which form tissues=organs ect.
u are really stupid
in the patent the water commissioner was able to use SCIENTIFIC proof in the form of testing to prove my point.
what makes us carbonbased is HOW we obtain the carbon..until NOW ppl thought we got it from out diet....cos thats how white ppl get their energy (u guys are the ones why write the textbooks) so of course ur going to think that...the patent PROVES that melanin is able to capture sunlight...break up the water molecule (jus like plants do) to obtain energt the body needs...we have a WHOLE seperate system (melanin)
omg... "carbon-based biochemistry"...thats what i jus said...learn to understand what u read
"Because they don't have goddamn skin, maybe?"
nooo pete...its cos chlorophyll protects the plant
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body
black body radiation...scroll down to the white dude that has to cover his hand and arm w/ a black plastic bag to prove my point
I hate to tell you, but your body does not absorb all radiation that impacts it. This proves absolutely nothing.
now...prove that melanin has no intelligence
Its a damn molecule, not a living organism? You'd have to be insane to think melanin is intelligent.
the reason the white dude had to put the black plastic bag on is cos his skin doesint have the ability to do what natural (melanin)skin does
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...wow i dont know where to start...nothing u say makes since. molecules ARE made of atoms...which form tissues=organs ect.
u are really stupid
I already knew that muur. That has nothing to do with anything discussed so far, but I do know that.
in the patent the water commissioner was able to use SCIENTIFIC proof in the form of testing to prove my point.
Then stop citing a useless secondary source like a patent and give us the peer-reviewed research. For the love of God.
what makes us carbonbased is HOW we obtain the carbon..
No, muur.
until NOW ppl thought we got it from out diet....
heterotrophy is one of the characteristic traits of animalia.
cos thats how white ppl get their energy (u guys are the ones why write the textbooks) so of course ur going to think that...the patent PROVES that melanin is able to capture sunlight...break up the water molecule (jus like plants do) to obtain energt the body needs...we have a WHOLE seperate system (melanin)
Jesus Christ, no you do not. A patent is not proof. It is a claim on an intellectual property, not proof that said idea is actually true.
omg... "carbon-based biochemistry"...thats what i jus said...learn to understand what u read
Its admittedly difficult when you right at the 6th grade level.
"Because they don't have goddamn skin, maybe?"
nooo pete...its cos chlorophyll protects the plant
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kl2GKlgG_Xc/SOse7AGa5qI/AAAAAAAAAgo/HrGCN8Sy5U8/s400/facepalm.jpg)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body
black body radiation...scroll down to the white dude that has to cover his hand and arm w/ a black plastic bag to prove my point
I hate to tell you, but your body does not absorb all radiation that impacts it. This proves absolutely nothing.
now...prove that melanin has no intelligence
Its a damn molecule, not a living organism? You'd have to be insane to think melanin is intelligent.
the reason the white dude had to put the black plastic bag on is cos his skin doesint have the ability to do what natural (melanin)skin does
The reason he put it on was to illustrate a principle of thermodynamics. Please rejoin reality. Blackbody radiation has nothing to do with your delusional fantasy that you have magic powers or don't need to eat.
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what makes us carbonbased is HOW we obtain the carbon..until NOW ppl thought we got it from out diet....cos thats how white ppl get their energy (u guys are the ones why write the textbooks) so of course ur going to think that...the patent PROVES that melanin is able to capture sunlight...break up the water molecule (jus like plants do) to obtain energt the body needs...we have a WHOLE seperate system (melanin)
Then why are all those black people starving when they can just get their energy from the ample sunlight of Africa?
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grow up...you provide nooo evidence for ur claims (that melanin is jus a theory)...ive provided SEVERAL that you cant even debate
go read the definition of black body...of course theyre not going to come right out and SAY that blacks have this ability..thats why the dude had to cover himself in blackness...the device was able to determine (visual) the heat BECAUSE it was covered in blackness..the heat IS the energy that made this possible..the plastic is a insulator and absorber since the dude has white skin..he isnt able to do this sooo he has to cover his hand in black plactic
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
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Sorry, what? That is not coherent invany way.
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grow up...you provide nooo evidence for ur claims (that melanin is jus a theory)...
I'm not even making a positive claim, can you not read?!
ive provided SEVERAL that you cant even debate
A patent isn't scientific research.
go read the definition of black body...of course theyre not going to come right out and SAY that blacks have this ability..
Because
1. Its wikipedia
2. It isn't true
thats why the dude had to cover himself in blackness...
Are you insane? That's a garbage bag.
the device was able to determine (visual) the heat
Infrared is not in the visible spectrum.
BECAUSE it was covered in blackness..
You mean the trash bag?
the heat IS the energy that made this possible..
Made what possible?
the plastic is a insulator and absorber since the dude has white skin..
I promise you the properties of a material like the plastic in a garbage bag will not change regardless of skin tone.
he isnt able to do this sooo he has to cover his hand in black plactic
I'm speechless. This is completely insane. If you think that black skin will absorb or retain body heat, you have really lost it.
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
A patent isn't proof, it isn't scientific research, its a claim on a particular process regardless of validity. Is that sentence too complicated for you to process?
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if anyone can explain WHY the dude in the caption has to cover his hand and arm in black plastic...to PROVE the properties of black body radiation are real ... and DISPROVE my claims that black skin absorbs and emits energy...(better than white skin) ...then i will forever leave pete and the fourm alone...FOREVER
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body
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if anyone can explain WHY the dude in the caption has to cover his hand and arm in black plastic...to PROVE the properties of black body radiation are real ... and DISPROVE my claims that black skin absorbs and emits energy...(better than white skin) ...then i will forever leave pete and the fourm alone...FOREVER
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body
Nice moving the goalposts. No one is disputing the existence of black body radiation, what is the problem is your claim that black skin gives you magical powers.
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if anyone can explain WHY the dude in the caption has to cover his hand and arm in black plastic...to PROVE the properties of black body radiation are real ... and DISPROVE my claims that black skin absorbs and emits energy...(better than white skin) ...then i will forever leave pete and the fourm alone...FOREVER
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body
Nice moving the goalposts. No one is disputing the existence of black body radiation, what is the problem is your claim that black skin gives you magical powers.
i would have to say...being able to take energy..absorb it...use it...then remit it...( ALL without damage to the dna)..is pretty damning evidence of "magical powers"
now explain WHY the dude had prove this by covering his hand in black plastic to prove this????
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if anyone can explain WHY the dude in the caption has to cover his hand and arm in black plastic...to PROVE the properties of black body radiation are real ... and DISPROVE my claims that black skin absorbs and emits energy...(better than white skin) ...then i will forever leave pete and the fourm alone...FOREVER
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body
Nice moving the goalposts. No one is disputing the existence of black body radiation, what is the problem is your claim that black skin gives you magical powers.
i would have to say...being able to take energy..absorb it...use it...then remit it...( ALL without damage to the dna)..is pretty damning evidence of "magical powers"
Except you can't use it muur, and white people can also absorb it and remit it. Good God.
now explain WHY the dude had prove this by covering his hand in black plastic to prove this????
To illustrate black-body radiation, which unfortunately doesn't have anything to do with the insane belief that black people can photosynthesize.
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"To illustrate black-body radiation, which unfortunately doesn't have anything to do with the insane belief that black people can photosynthesize."
i believe that being able to absorb the environments energy...and transfer it to a moor useful form of energy, has EVERYTHING to do w/ photosynthesis
now explain WHY the dude had to cover his white hand w/ black plastic to prove this point..pete
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"To illustrate black-body radiation, which unfortunately doesn't have anything to do with the insane belief that black people can photosynthesize."
i believe that being able to absorb the environments energy...and transfer it to a moor useful form of energy, has EVERYTHING to do w/ photosynthesis
No, it doesn't. It additionally requires a specific metabolic system not present in animal cell biology.
now explain WHY the dude had to cover his white hand w/ black plastic to prove this point..pete
To illustrate black body radiation for a Wikipedia article.
Can you explain WHY Aeneas and the sibyl pass through the gate of ivory at the close of book VI of the Aeneid to prove this point..muur
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Muur is a skilled troll. He ninjatrolls everyone with his ninja skills.
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if anyone can explain WHY the dude in the caption has to cover his hand and arm in black plastic...to PROVE the properties of black body radiation are real ... and DISPROVE my claims that black skin absorbs and emits energy...(better than white skin) ...then i will forever leave pete and the fourm alone...FOREVER
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body
im still waiting
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if anyone can explain WHY the dude in the caption has to cover his hand and arm in black plastic...to PROVE the properties of black body radiation are real ... and DISPROVE my claims that black skin absorbs and emits energy...(better than white skin) ...then i will forever leave pete and the fourm alone...FOREVER
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body
im still waiting
I've explained it several times. If your grasp of English is too pathetic to grasp "To illustrate black body radiation for a Wikipedia article", God help you.
And I'm still waiting also,
Can you explain WHY Aeneas and the sibyl pass through the gate of ivory at the close of book VI of the Aeneid to prove this point..muur
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or ill make it even simpler..
when light hits our skin...we ALL kno it does, and we ALL kno the ppl get skin cancer when the body doesnt know what to do w/ that energy...
and we ALL kno that black skincancer rates are much lower than whites...
then what happens to the energy after its absorbed by black skin?, where does it go? is it converted to a much useful form of energy?? or does it jus disapear?
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if anyone can explain WHY the dude in the caption has to cover his hand and arm in black plastic...to PROVE the properties of black body radiation are real ... and DISPROVE my claims that black skin absorbs and emits energy...(better than white skin) ...then i will forever leave pete and the fourm alone...FOREVER
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body
im still waiting
stay on the topic
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or ill make it even simpler..
when light hits our skin...we ALL kno it does, and we ALL kno the ppl get skin cancer when the body doesnt know what to do w/ that energy...
That isn't how skin cancer develops.
and we ALL kno that black skincancer rates are much lower than whites...
So?
then what happens to the energy after its absorbed by black skin?, where does it go? is it converted to a much useful form of energy?? or does it jus disapear?
It essentially disappears.
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if anyone can explain WHY the dude in the caption has to cover his hand and arm in black plastic...to PROVE the properties of black body radiation are real ... and DISPROVE my claims that black skin absorbs and emits energy...(better than white skin) ...then i will forever leave pete and the fourm alone...FOREVER
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body
im still waiting
stay on the topic
I am. I'm not the one randomly obsessing over black body radiation and a Wikipedia image.
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http://www.clinuvel.com/sun-a-skin/skin-light-interaction
this may help you
it explains what happens whn skin CANT absorb the suns rays effectively
LOL @ energy jus disappearing...thats the funniest shit youve said so far
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http://www.clinuvel.com/sun-a-skin/skin-light-interaction
this may help you
it explains what happens whn skin CANT absorb the suns rays effectively
Muur, unlike you, I've studied biology, I know what happens.
LOL @ energy jus disappearing...thats the funniest shit youve said so far
Well muur, seeing as earlier in this thread you claimed that melanin and chlorophyll were the same thing, I didn't want to confuse you with an explanation at anything beyond the 7th grade level.
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http://www.clinuvel.com/sun-a-skin/skin-light-interaction
this may help you
it explains what happens whn skin CANT absorb the suns rays effectively
Muur, unlike you, I've studied biology, I know what happens.
LOL @ energy jus disappearing...thats the funniest shit youve said so far
Well muur, seeing as earlier in this thread you claimed that melanin and chlorophyll were the same thing, I didn't want to confuse you with an explanation at anything beyond the 7th grade level.
didnt say it was the same thing doe doe...they share properties
dude...im STILL realin over ur last statement about energy jus disappearing (evidence please)
http://precedings.nature.com/documents/1312/version/1/files/npre20071312-1.pdf
u STILL provide noo evidence for anything u say
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didnt say it was the same thing doe doe...they share properties
It really doesn't, but trying to explain it to you would simply confuse you even more. By the way, can you explain to me why I am the "doe doe" when you are the one who is having trouble communicating in English?
dude...im STILL realin over ur last statement about energy jus disappearing (evidence please)
I realize that it actually doesn't, but the truth would simply confuse you.
http://precedings.nature.com/documents/1312/version/1/files/npre20071312-1.pdf
Were you making a point with this?
u STILL provide noo evidence for anything u say
I'm not the one making a positive claim, so that's alright.
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LOL...dude u jus said, energy jus disappears (that WAS ur statement) im asking u to provide evidence for that shit...first cos a dude that thinks that energy jus disappears...is the SAME dude that thinks it can POP up out of nowhere.
http://www.clinuvel.com/sun-a-skin/skin-light-interaction
explains what happens when a body CANT put energy to a moor useful purpose..you get skin cancer OR the energy is is reflected back out of the skin...but it DOESNT disappear
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LOL...dude u jus said, energy jus disappears (that WASur statement)
Yes, muur, I made a white lie to spare you the migraine that thinking entails.
im asking u to provide evidence for that shit...first cos a dude that thinks that energy jus disappears...is the SAME dude that thinks it can POP up out of nowhere.
That's nice muur. I really don't care.
http://www.clinuvel.com/sun-a-skin/skin-light-interaction
explains what happens when a body CANT put energy to a moor useful purpose..you get skin cancer OR the energy is is reflected back out of the skin...but it DOESNT disappear
I know, muur. And?
Oh, its time for you to learn English, I'm bolding your errors from here on out.
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if all you can do is bold my errors...then bold away
ohh by the way..
Once the energy is absorbed by melanin, electrons are raised to excited states and in turn, pass the energy on to the cell in which it is situated . Simon reported that most (99%) of the energy absorbed is dissipated ‘non-radiatively’ within a nanosecond of excitation. The cell is then assumed to use this energy to regulate its conditions and drive chemical reactions, a role similar to that of chlorophyll in photosynthesis. It is widely supported that with increased melanin density in the skin, patients are less likely to encounter UV exposure related diseases.
http://www.clinuvel.com/dermatology/melanin/function-skin-pigment..
this is what happens when the energy is absorbed by the skin
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if all you can do is bold my errors...then bold away
ohh by the way..
Once the energy is absorbed by melanin, electrons are raised to excited states and in turn, pass the energy on to the cell in which it is situated . Simon reported that most (99%) of the energy absorbed is dissipated ‘non-radiatively’ within a nanosecond of excitation. The cell is then assumed to use this energy to regulate its conditions and drive chemical reactions, a role similar to that of chlorophyll in photosynthesis. It is widely supported that with increased melanin density in the skin, patients are less likely to encounter UV exposure related diseases.
http://www.clinuvel.com/dermatology/melanin/function-skin-pigment..
this is what happens when the energy is absorbed by the skin
Great, so you found a non-research source that mentions assumptions. Yay. And guess what, black people still don't have magic powers.
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http://www.clinuvel.com/ leads the way in skin cancer research :-*
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http://www.clinuvel.com/ leads the way in skin cancer research :-*
clinuvel.com is not a peer-reviewed source for research. Try again.
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http://www.clinuvel.com/sun-a-skin/skin-light-interaction
this may help you
it explains what happens whn skin CANT absorb the suns rays effectively
LOL @ energy jus disappearing...thats the funniest shit youve said so far
Sorry, cancer arises from energy damaging dna, this has nothing to do with "being confused" as being confused takes sentience. Please stop pretending that molecules are sentient, it's retarded.
Also, there is a "w" in "know" it is not written "kno."
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http://www.clinuvel.com/sun-a-skin/skin-light-interaction
if light (energy) that hits the skin ISNT absorbed by the skin, its either refracted OR reflected back out..if the energy is refracted it scatters and damages surrounding cells, since the cells CANT use this energy...it damages its dna and cancer of the skin results...IF the light is absorbed (and not reflected off)...then the energy it taken to a moor useful form
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There is another possibility. X-rays and gamma rays go straight through the skin.
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http://www.clinuvel.com/sun-a-skin/skin-light-interaction
if light (energy) that hits the skin ISNT absorbed by the skin, its either refracted OR reflected back out..if the energy is refracted it scatters and damages surrounding cells, since the cells CANT use this energy...it damages its dna and cancer of the skin results...IF the light is absorbed (and not reflected off)...then the energy it taken to a moor useful form
"then the energy it taken a moor useful form"
What? is that even a sentence? What the hell is a moor?
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A self-reference from muur?
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Did some quick research. Turns out that Africans diagnosed with melanoma are more likely to die than whites. Also non-whites are more susceptible to being diagnosed with skin cancer in childhood.
http://www.skincancer.org/Skin-Cancer-Facts/ (http://www.skincancer.org/Skin-Cancer-Facts/)
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Did some quick research. Turns out that Africans diagnosed with melanoma are more likely to die than whites. Also non-whites are more susceptible to being diagnosed with skin cancer in childhood.
http://www.skincancer.org/Skin-Cancer-Facts/ (http://www.skincancer.org/Skin-Cancer-Facts/)
•The average annual melanoma rate among Caucasians is about 22 cases per 100,000 people. In comparison, African Americans have an incidence of one case per 100,000 people. However, the overall melanoma survival rate for African Americans is only 77 percent, versus 91 percent for Caucasians.21
•While melanoma is uncommon in African Americans, Latinos, and Asians, it is frequently fatal for these populations.6
•Melanomas in African Americans, Asians, Filipinos, Indonesians, and native Hawaiians most often occur on non-exposed skin with less pigment, with up to 60-75 percent of tumors arising on the palms, soles, mucous membranes and nail regions.25
dude youre only proving my point...where is the refrence towards skin tone???..they lump ALL african americans in one category..heres clue "non pigmented" areas are usually white or pink and LACK pigment (melanin)...but nice try
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Did some quick research. Turns out that Africans diagnosed with melanoma are more likely to die than whites. Also non-whites are more susceptible to being diagnosed with skin cancer in childhood.
http://www.skincancer.org/Skin-Cancer-Facts/ (http://www.skincancer.org/Skin-Cancer-Facts/)
•The average annual melanoma rate among Caucasians is about 22 cases per 100,000 people. In comparison, African Americans have an incidence of one case per 100,000 people. However, the overall melanoma survival rate for African Americans is only 77 percent, versus 91 percent for Caucasians.21
•While melanoma is uncommon in African Americans, Latinos, and Asians, it is frequently fatal for these populations.6
•Melanomas in African Americans, Asians, Filipinos, Indonesians, and native Hawaiians most often occur on non-exposed skin with less pigment, with up to 60-75 percent of tumors arising on the palms, soles, mucous membranes and nail regions.25
dude youre only proving my point...where is the refrence towards skin tone???..they lump ALL african americans in one category..heres clue "non pigmented" areas are usually white or pink and LACK pigment (melanin)...but nice try
Uh, so there is a statistically significant number of africans with skin tones lighter than Caucasians?
This is news to me.
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Did some quick research. Turns out that Africans diagnosed with melanoma are more likely to die than whites. Also non-whites are more susceptible to being diagnosed with skin cancer in childhood.
http://www.skincancer.org/Skin-Cancer-Facts/ (http://www.skincancer.org/Skin-Cancer-Facts/)
•The average annual melanoma rate among Caucasians is about 22 cases per 100,000 people. In comparison, African Americans have an incidence of one case per 100,000 people. However, the overall melanoma survival rate for African Americans is only 77 percent, versus 91 percent for Caucasians.21
•While melanoma is uncommon in African Americans, Latinos, and Asians, it is frequently fatal for these populations.6
•Melanomas in African Americans, Asians, Filipinos, Indonesians, and native Hawaiians most often occur on non-exposed skin with less pigment, with up to 60-75 percent of tumors arising on the palms, soles, mucous membranes and nail regions.25
dude youre only proving my point...where is the refrence towards skin tone???..they lump ALL african americans in one category..heres clue "non pigmented" areas are usually white or pink and LACK pigment (melanin)...but nice try
Uh, so there is a statistically significant number of africans with skin tones lighter than Caucasians?
This is news to me.
huuuuh? did you read....thats 22:1...dude. & yes there are a significant # of african americans w/ light or pale skin race has NOTHIN to do w/ it but skin tone does..and the last i checked the soles of the feet and the palms are WHITE or very pale in color..furthermoor south africa has one of the HIGHEST rates of skin cancer NOT among the indigenous BUT amoung the colonizers.
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Cancer occurrence statistics have nothing to do with human photosynthesis.
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human photosynthesis is the ability to take energy from the environment ABSORB it and use it (convert it to a more useful form) WITHOUT damage to its DNA. those ppl that LACK melanin will reflect or refract the energy and not ABSORB it thus resulting in moor occurences (higher statistics) of skin cancer (damage to the DNA)
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Did some quick research. Turns out that Africans diagnosed with melanoma are more likely to die than whites. Also non-whites are more susceptible to being diagnosed with skin cancer in childhood.
http://www.skincancer.org/Skin-Cancer-Facts/ (http://www.skincancer.org/Skin-Cancer-Facts/)
•The average annual melanoma rate among Caucasians is about 22 cases per 100,000 people. In comparison, African Americans have an incidence of one case per 100,000 people. However, the overall melanoma survival rate for African Americans is only 77 percent, versus 91 percent for Caucasians.21
•While melanoma is uncommon in African Americans, Latinos, and Asians, it is frequently fatal for these populations.6
•Melanomas in African Americans, Asians, Filipinos, Indonesians, and native Hawaiians most often occur on non-exposed skin with less pigment, with up to 60-75 percent of tumors arising on the palms, soles, mucous membranes and nail regions.25
dude youre only proving my point...where is the refrence towards skin tone???..they lump ALL african americans in one category..heres clue "non pigmented" areas are usually white or pink and LACK pigment (melanin)...but nice try
Uh, so there is a statistically significant number of africans with skin tones lighter than Caucasians?
This is news to me.
huuuuh? did you read....thats 22:1...dude. & yes there are a significant # of african americans w/ light or pale skin race has NOTHIN to do w/ it but skin tone does..and the last i checked the soles of the feet and the palms are WHITE or very pale in color..furthermoor south africa has one of the HIGHEST rates of skin cancer NOT among the indigenous BUT amoung the colonizers.
Uh, none of that has anything to do with what I said to you.
There is a statistically significant number of blacks with skin tone lighter than whites?
Also, since you were making broad generalizations about race, race better have something to do with what you are saying. Otherwise you're not making sense.
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actually..if u could read, they made reference to AA (race) as if ALL AA have the same skin tone...and what is a Caucasian?? they dont mention melanin @ all...remember melanin is the determining factor here...not race..race is a manmade concept and has no bearing when it comes to nature BUT they mention parts of the body that LACK pigment as a cause of skin cancer (palms and soles) in AA are white and LACK pigment
so they made a broad sweeping generalization by using the terms...AA and Caucasian...not me
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...in otherwords....there are lightskinned AA or those AA that arent as deeply pigmented as others who MAY get skin cancer..again ADMIXTURE % has alot to do w/ it...which relates to skin tone. furthermoor...a darkskinned indian from india is considered Caucasian although they have darkskin because of admixture % they have moor "caucasian"...(whatever the hell that is?) admixture anything else
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human photosynthesis is the ability to take energy from the environment ABSORB it and use it (convert it to a more useful form) WITHOUT damage to its DNA. those ppl that LACK melanin will reflect or refract the energy and not ABSORB it thus resulting in moor occurences (higher statistics) of skin cancer (damage to the DNA)
Just because people with darker skin are less susceptible to skin cancer, it does not follow that they photosynthesize the light.
Are you really suggesting that people with extremely dark skin are essentially able to live without food for extended periods of time?
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muur must be a troll. but I'll bite
some things to know
1)differences in melanin b/t skin types is pretty much only skin deep
2)Melanin protects the skin by physically blocking photons from DNA
I might be able to see the confusion, as both are pigments, but chlorophyll plays a relatively small role in photosynthesis.
all it does, is gain a photon, and lose an electron, which is passed on down the electron transport chain, eventually leading to a proton gradient, which grinds ATP synthase. chlorophyll alone doesn't do jack.
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muur must be a troll. but I'll bite
some things to know
1)differences in melanin b/t skin types is pretty much only skin deep
2)Melanin protects the skin by physically blocking photons from DNA
I might be able to see the confusion, as both are pigments, but chlorophyll plays a relatively small role in photosynthesis.
all it does, is gain a photon, and lose an electron, which is passed on down the electron transport chain, eventually leading to a proton gradient, which grinds ATP synthase. chlorophyll alone doesn't do jack.
..of course, jus like melanin doesnt do anything alone. although chlorophyll is moor easily understood than melanin and melanin is 1000xs more effective
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http://www.uvaid.com/Photosynthesis-and-Photo-oxidation_b_18.html
heres a device that claims to mimic melanin ablity to break up the melanin mol. to H and O2
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sorry i meant the device uses melanin and light to break up the water mol to H and O2
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muur must be a troll. but I'll bite
some things to know
1)differences in melanin b/t skin types is pretty much only skin deep
2)Melanin protects the skin by physically blocking photons from DNA
I might be able to see the confusion, as both are pigments, but chlorophyll plays a relatively small role in photosynthesis.
all it does, is gain a photon, and lose an electron, which is passed on down the electron transport chain, eventually leading to a proton gradient, which grinds ATP synthase. chlorophyll alone doesn't do jack.
..of course, jus like melanin doesnt do anything alone. although chlorophyll is moor easily understood than melanin and melanin is 1000xs more effective
So you concede that melanin would need to be used in conjuction with a set of organelles, none of which you have posited.
also how is melanin 1000x more effective? at what, converting photons into heat? because chlorophyll works by using the energy of photons to free electrons, not by turning them into heat.
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muur must be a troll. but I'll bite
some things to know
1)differences in melanin b/t skin types is pretty much only skin deep
2)Melanin protects the skin by physically blocking photons from DNA
I might be able to see the confusion, as both are pigments, but chlorophyll plays a relatively small role in photosynthesis.
all it does, is gain a photon, and lose an electron, which is passed on down the electron transport chain, eventually leading to a proton gradient, which grinds ATP synthase. chlorophyll alone doesn't do jack.
..of course, jus like melanin doesnt do anything alone. although chlorophyll is moor easily understood than melanin and melanin is 1000xs more effective
So you concede that melanin would need to be used in conjuction with a set of organelles, none of which you have posited.
also how is melanin 1000x more effective? at what, converting photons into heat? because chlorophyll works by using the energy of photons to free electrons, not by turning them into heat.
H is the end product we're lookng for. once chlorophyll is taken out of the plant, it only lasts about 30 sec while melanin will last hundreds of years soo melanin is more effecive @ extracting energy from water. this is why i say that using plant based carbon as a means of "clean energy" is a big waste of time, energy and money cos it actually takes mORE energy jus to produce a very small product cos plant based carbon cant renew itself
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..the energy being converted has to go somewhere...some is converted to heat which this heat has anti bacterial anti viral and anti carcinogenic properties
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actually..if u could read, they made reference to AA (race) as if ALL AA have the same skin tone...and what is a Caucasian?? they dont mention melanin @ all...remember melanin is the determining factor here...not race..race is a manmade concept and has no bearing when it comes to nature BUT they mention parts of the body that LACK pigment as a cause of skin cancer (palms and soles) in AA are white and LACK pigment
so they made a broad sweeping generalization by using the terms...AA and Caucasian...not me
Thank you for showing that you completely have no idea what i'm saying. Statistically african americans have far more melanin than people that claim to be "caucasion" therefore the statistics do represent the rates of melanomas in people with more melanin.
If you'd like to say that there are other factors more important than melanin I would agree with you completely, but that would also reduce the importance of melanin when it comes to cancer.
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muur must be a troll. but I'll bite
some things to know
1)differences in melanin b/t skin types is pretty much only skin deep
2)Melanin protects the skin by physically blocking photons from DNA
I might be able to see the confusion, as both are pigments, but chlorophyll plays a relatively small role in photosynthesis.
all it does, is gain a photon, and lose an electron, which is passed on down the electron transport chain, eventually leading to a proton gradient, which grinds ATP synthase. chlorophyll alone doesn't do jack.
..of course, jus like melanin doesnt do anything alone. although chlorophyll is moor easily understood than melanin and melanin is 1000xs more effective
Could you then show the electron carrying chain that is connected to melanin? This would be a huge breakthrough in biology.
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muur must be a troll. but I'll bite
some things to know
1)differences in melanin b/t skin types is pretty much only skin deep
2)Melanin protects the skin by physically blocking photons from DNA
I might be able to see the confusion, as both are pigments, but chlorophyll plays a relatively small role in photosynthesis.
all it does, is gain a photon, and lose an electron, which is passed on down the electron transport chain, eventually leading to a proton gradient, which grinds ATP synthase. chlorophyll alone doesn't do jack.
..of course, jus like melanin doesnt do anything alone. although chlorophyll is moor easily understood than melanin and melanin is 1000xs more effective
So you concede that melanin would need to be used in conjuction with a set of organelles, none of which you have posited.
also how is melanin 1000x more effective? at what, converting photons into heat? because chlorophyll works by using the energy of photons to free electrons, not by turning them into heat.
H is the end product we're lookng for. once chlorophyll is taken out of the plant, it only lasts about 30 sec while melanin will last hundreds of years soo melanin is more effecive @ extracting energy from water. this is why i say that using plant based carbon as a means of "clean energy" is a big waste of time, energy and money cos it actually takes mORE energy jus to produce a very small product cos plant based carbon cant renew itself
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That is not how it works, you're over simplifying the process. please watch this
chlorophyll is virtually unrelated to melanin. Melanin DOES NOT EXTRACT ENERGY. chlorophyll releases electrons upon excitation. Melanin releases heat. noone is trying to make energy from photosynthesis. I'm unsure what you are trying to prove
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..the energy being converted has to go somewhere...some is converted to heat which this heat has anti bacterial anti viral and anti carcinogenic properties
yeah 99.9% goes to heat, the heat is very minimal. and insignificant. as such, it does not have the ability to fight off viruses, bacteria, or tumors, in fact these things tend to be temperature resistant. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1635213/
http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102226506.html
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2180/6/55
melanin binds to drugs, viruses, microbs, metals, its a free radical scavenger. the reason WHY melanin binds to drugs...is because anyone who has the ability to manufacure copious amts of melanin...ALREADY has the ability to make these compounds naturally sooo whn our body detects these compounds in its system...they bind to the melanin. Lack of melanin in the CNS has been linked w/ Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, retinitis pigmentosa and dementia. Melanin not only emits heat...BUT ABSORBS it..uses it (converts it to a moor useful form)...the health benefits of melanin are undisputable evidenced by the FACT that science continues to minic its abililties and properties
http://www.uvaid.com/blog.asp
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http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090134007
melanins ability to disassociate to water molecule into H and o2 is more effective than plant based pigments
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1635213/
http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102226506.html
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2180/6/55
melanin binds to drugs, viruses, microbs, metals, its a free radical scavenger. the reason WHY melanin binds to drugs...is because anyone who has the ability to manufacure copious amts of melanin...ALREADY has the ability to make these compounds naturally sooo whn our body detects these compounds in its system...they bind to the melanin. Lack of melanin in the CNS has been linked w/ Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, retinitis pigmentosa and dementia. Melanin not only emits heat...BUT ABSORBS it..uses it (converts it to a moor useful form)...the health benefits of melanin are undisputable evidenced by the FACT that science continues to minic its abililties and properties
http://www.uvaid.com/blog.asp
ITP: fails to see the difference between secreted melanin in other organisms and melanin in skins of humans, some unfunded statements and poor spelling.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1635213/
http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102226506.html
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2180/6/55
melanin binds to drugs, viruses, microbs, metals, its a free radical scavenger. the reason WHY melanin binds to drugs...is because anyone who has the ability to manufacure copious amts of melanin...ALREADY has the ability to make these compounds naturally sooo whn our body detects these compounds in its system...they bind to the melanin. Lack of melanin in the CNS has been linked w/ Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, retinitis pigmentosa and dementia. Melanin not only emits heat...BUT ABSORBS it..uses it (converts it to a moor useful form)...the health benefits of melanin are undisputable evidenced by the FACT that science continues to minic its abililties and properties
http://www.uvaid.com/blog.asp
ITP: fails to see the difference between secreted melanin in other organisms and melanin in skins of humans, some unfunded statements and poor spelling.
you obviously can read and dont kno the diffrences and similarities between and synthetic and natural melanin...what the hell is "secreted melanin"...lol and by "skin melanins"...u must meen...IN VITRO u doe doe...lol and i well spel eny way i wont...lol go do ur research b4 u confront me w/ bs..lol
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I think I already made a post about arguing for science with someone who seems practically illiterate, but I would like to reiterate that this is futile. Unless a person is educated to the point where she finds it prompt to take the time and effort to spell right, there is probably no middle ground to be found between modern science and the crackpot theory du jour.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1635213/
http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102226506.html
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2180/6/55
melanin binds to drugs, viruses, microbs, metals, its a free radical scavenger. the reason WHY melanin binds to drugs...is because anyone who has the ability to manufacure copious amts of melanin...ALREADY has the ability to make these compounds naturally sooo whn our body detects these compounds in its system...they bind to the melanin. Lack of melanin in the CNS has been linked w/ Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, retinitis pigmentosa and dementia. Melanin not only emits heat...BUT ABSORBS it..uses it (converts it to a moor useful form)...the health benefits of melanin are undisputable evidenced by the FACT that science continues to minic its abililties and properties
http://www.uvaid.com/blog.asp
ITP: fails to see the difference between secreted melanin in other organisms and melanin in skins of humans, some unfunded statements and poor spelling.
you obviously can read and dont kno the diffrences and similarities between and synthetic and natural melanin...what the hell is "secreted melanin"...lol and by "skin melanins"...u must meen...IN VITRO u doe doe...lol and i well spel eny way i wont...lol go do ur research b4 u confront me w/ bs..lol
Do you even know what in vitro means or did you just pick it up somewhere?
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when it comes to the study of something (melanin in this case) living...if it cant be studied within the organism...they will take it out & study it..in vitro...since they CANT study melanin IN VIVO (within a living organism)...they have to take it out and study it IN VITRO (in a controlled environment)
they have to use melanin from the eye, and put it ina controlled environment to study it since they havent come up w/ the techno. to study "skin melanin"..."skin melanin" is toooo complicated (advanced)for them to extract...they CANT take it out of the skin so they use eye melanin, once they do...the eye can no longer make melanin to protect the eyes...the pigment in the eye will b forever lost...gone. NATURE will not allow pigment from the skin to be extracted....because humans are SUPPOSE to be deeply pigmented...this is where the evolution theory FAILS and NATURE wins
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2754563/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1635213/
they continue to TRY to study melanin IN VITRO...IN VIVO but fail
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Protip: read more than just the title of the articles you cite.
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Protip: read more than just the title of the articles you cite.
noooo...lol...thats what u do cause u cant comprehend whats goin on
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Protip: read more than just the title of the articles you cite.
noooo...lol...thats what u do cause u cant comprehend whats goin on
So he reads more than the title to learn about what the article is about? then yeah, that's what you are supposed to do.
b4 you brought up skin color. melanin in light skinned people BELOW the skin is the same amount as it is for dark skinned people.
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when it comes to the study of something (melanin in this case) living...if it cant be studied within the organism...they will take it out & study it..in vitro...since they CANT study melanin IN VIVO (within a living organism)...they have to take it out and study it IN VITRO (in a controlled environment)
they have to use melanin from the eye, and put it ina controlled environment to study it since they havent come up w/ the techno. to study "skin melanin"..."skin melanin" is toooo complicated (advanced)for them to extract...they CANT take it out of the skin so they use eye melanin, once they do...the eye can no longer make melanin to protect the eyes...the pigment in the eye will b forever lost...gone. NATURE will not allow pigment from the skin to be extracted....because humans are SUPPOSE to be deeply pigmented...this is where the evolution theory FAILS and NATURE wins
lol
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Protip: read more than just the title of the articles you cite.
noooo...lol...thats what u do cause u cant comprehend whats goin on
So he reads more than the title to learn about what the article is about? then yeah, that's what you are supposed to do.
b4 you brought up skin color. melanin in light skinned people BELOW the skin is the same amount as it is for dark skinned people.
i was makin reference to the fact that, the lighter your skin..the more susceptible to SC you are EVEN if youre a so called AA. carbon content is what gives melanin its color...the moor carbonbased you are...the higher carbon content you have...THIS is why you have some ppl who are darker than others...NOT because the sun hits our skin or we would all be the same hue.
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Protip: People have the same amount of carbon per body mass in most cases.
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Protip: read more than just the title of the articles you cite.
noooo...lol...thats what u do cause u cant comprehend whats goin on
So he reads more than the title to learn about what the article is about? then yeah, that's what you are supposed to do.
b4 you brought up skin color. melanin in light skinned people BELOW the skin is the same amount as it is for dark skinned people.
i was makin reference to the fact that, the lighter your skin..the more susceptible to SC you are EVEN if youre a so called AA. carbon content is what gives melanin its color...the moor carbonbased you are...the higher carbon content you have...THIS is why you have some ppl who are darker than others...NOT because the sun hits our skin or we would all be the same hue.
yes it is known that melanin helps prevent skin cancer. and no. some people are darker because A) they are born darker B) they tan more.
as for A) they are dark because of the level of melanin
B) some people darken more, because their genes are set up to produce a lot of melanin when sunlight hits their DNA causing thymine dimers, which set up the process for melanin production
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Protip: read more than just the title of the articles you cite.
noooo...lol...thats what u do cause u cant comprehend whats goin on
So he reads more than the title to learn about what the article is about? then yeah, that's what you are supposed to do.
b4 you brought up skin color. melanin in light skinned people BELOW the skin is the same amount as it is for dark skinned people.
i was makin reference to the fact that, the lighter your skin..the more susceptible to SC you are EVEN if youre a so called AA. carbon content is what gives melanin its color...the moor carbonbased you are...the higher carbon content you have...THIS is why you have some ppl who are darker than others...NOT because the sun hits our skin or we would all be the same hue.
yes it is known that melanin helps prevent skin cancer. and no. some people are darker because A) they are born darker B) they tan more.
as for A) they are dark because of the level of melanin
B) some people darken more, because their genes are set up to produce a lot of melanin when sunlight hits their DNA causing thymine dimers, which set up the process for melanin production
correct...if ur born w/ the ability to produce copious amt of melanin...ur going to "tan" more...i dont use the word "tan" to decsribe those ppl that have the abililty to produce LARGE amts of melanin...even when theyre not in the sun they STILL produce melanin
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1635213/
http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102226506.html
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2180/6/55
melanin binds to drugs, viruses, microbs, metals, its a free radical scavenger. the reason WHY melanin binds to drugs...is because anyone who has the ability to manufacure copious amts of melanin...ALREADY has the ability to make these compounds naturally sooo whn our body detects these compounds in its system...they bind to the melanin. Lack of melanin in the CNS has been linked w/ Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, retinitis pigmentosa and dementia. Melanin not only emits heat...BUT ABSORBS it..uses it (converts it to a moor useful form)...the health benefits of melanin are undisputable evidenced by the FACT that science continues to minic its abililties and properties
http://www.uvaid.com/blog.asp
What does neuromelanin have to do with eumelanin? I can virutally guarantee you that the amounts of neuromelanin produced by individuals has absolutely no correlation with the amount of eumelanin produced in their epidermis.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1635213/
http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102226506.html
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2180/6/55
melanin binds to drugs, viruses, microbs, metals, its a free radical scavenger. the reason WHY melanin binds to drugs...is because anyone who has the ability to manufacure copious amts of melanin...ALREADY has the ability to make these compounds naturally sooo whn our body detects these compounds in its system...they bind to the melanin. Lack of melanin in the CNS has been linked w/ Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, retinitis pigmentosa and dementia. Melanin not only emits heat...BUT ABSORBS it..uses it (converts it to a moor useful form)...the health benefits of melanin are undisputable evidenced by the FACT that science continues to minic its abililties and properties
http://www.uvaid.com/blog.asp
What does neuromelanin have to do with eumelanin? I can virutally guarantee you that the amounts of neuromelanin produced by individuals has absolutely no correlation with the amount of eumelanin produced in their epidermis.
But it both has melanin in the name!!! ::)
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well..lets look @ the etimology
eu means GOOD or WELL
melanin means BLACK or DARK BROWN pigment
neuro corelates w/ the CNS
melanin AGAIN means BLACK or DARK BROWN
those disorders ARE moor common amoung those who LACK skin pigment OR are GENETICALLY predisposed (theres that word again)
the cns IS where the instructions for skin pigmentation OR lack thereof begin...DO THE MATH...if your cns is sending instructions to produce LIMITED amts of pigment...then its goin to do jus that...you CANT produce skin pigment if you LACK the mental capacity to do so
damn...there are goes those words again...MENTAL CAPACITY
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2582310/
These pigments, which we term neuromelanins, contain melanic, lipid, and peptide components. The melanic component is aromatic in structure, contains a stable free radical, and is synthesized from the precursor molecule cysteinyl-3,4-dihydroxyphenylalanine. This contrasts with neuromelanin of the substantia nigra, where the melanic precursor is cysteinyl-dopamine. These neuronal pigments have some structural similarities to the melanin found in skin.
hope this helps
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2582310/
These pigments, which we term neuromelanins, contain melanic, lipid, and peptide components. The melanic component is aromatic in structure, contains a stable free radical, and is synthesized from the precursor molecule cysteinyl-3,4-dihydroxyphenylalanine. This contrasts with neuromelanin of the substantia nigra, where the melanic precursor is cysteinyl-dopamine. These neuronal pigments have some structural similarities to the melanin found in skin.
hope this helps
It helps to counter your argument, yes.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1635213/
http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102226506.html
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2180/6/55
melanin binds to drugs, viruses, microbs, metals, its a free radical scavenger. the reason WHY melanin binds to drugs...is because anyone who has the ability to manufacure copious amts of melanin...ALREADY has the ability to make these compounds naturally sooo whn our body detects these compounds in its system...they bind to the melanin. Lack of melanin in the CNS has been linked w/ Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, retinitis pigmentosa and dementia. Melanin not only emits heat...BUT ABSORBS it..uses it (converts it to a moor useful form)...the health benefits of melanin are undisputable evidenced by the FACT that science continues to minic its abililties and properties
http://www.uvaid.com/blog.asp
well..lets look @ the etimology
eu means GOOD or WELL
melanin means BLACK or DARK BROWN pigment
neuro corelates w/ the CNS
melanin AGAIN means BLACK or DARK BROWN
those disorders ARE moor common amoung those who LACK skin pigment OR are GENETICALLY predisposed (theres that word again)
the cns IS where the instructions for skin pigmentation OR lack thereof begin...DO THE MATH...if your cns is sending instructions to produce LIMITED amts of pigment...then its goin to do jus that...you CANT produce skin pigment if you LACK the mental capacity to do so
damn...there are goes those words again...MENTAL CAPACITY
Let's take a look at some US statistics:
Altzheimer's Disease:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4106/5188345384_084eabbc0e.jpg)
Source:http://bigthink.com/ideas/25072 (http://bigthink.com/ideas/25072)
Dementia:
(http://psychservices.psychiatryonline.org/content/vol54/issue1/images/medium/hw17t1.gif)
Source:http://psychservices.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/54/1/92 (http://psychservices.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/54/1/92)
NOTE: The sample sizes are different, so the %age is more relevant.
Retinitis Pigmentosa:
I couldn't find much information comparing racial differences with regards to this disease.
Parkinson's Disease:
Table: http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/157/11/1015/T3.expansion.html (http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/157/11/1015/T3.expansion.html)
Source: http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/157/11/1015.full (http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/157/11/1015.full)
The only one that seemed to be more prevalent in those who do not produce as much eumelanin was Parkinson's. However, the paper states that, "No comparisons of age- and gender-adjusted incidence rates between individual groups were statistically significant". in relation to the Parkinson's study. I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case for most neurological diseases which would lead us to believe that skin colour has no relation to mental disorders.
EDIT: It seems as though the study on dementia thinks that there are some statistically significant differences, I edited my post to reflect this.
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well..lets look @ the etimology
eu means GOOD or WELL
melanin means BLACK or DARK BROWN pigment
neuro corelates w/ the CNS
melanin AGAIN means BLACK or DARK BROWN
those disorders ARE moor common amoung those who LACK skin pigment OR are GENETICALLY predisposed (theres that word again)
the cns IS where the instructions for skin pigmentation OR lack thereof begin...DO THE MATH...if your cns is sending instructions to produce LIMITED amts of pigment...then its goin to do jus that...you CANT produce skin pigment if you LACK the mental capacity to do so
damn...there are goes those words again...MENTAL CAPACITY
I'm fairly sure it is the Pituitary gland and the glandular system that produce skin pigments.
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.."im" not arguing anything...the dude said something about neuromelanin not having anything to do w/ epi melanin?...FALSE
"modern science" says the instructions for melanogenesis starts in the brain (i say it starts elsewhere...BUT i wont get n2 that here)...
sooo if the brain (cns) sends these instructions to make pigment...then it would ALREADY have to have had the concept (MELANIN) to begin w/
it cant send instructions to produce something it doesnt have to ABILITY to make...
i provided the link for the dude to reference himself...i already know this without doing ANY research..cos its common sense to me...
the research provides evidence for regions of the brain that contain neuro pigments that R structurally simular to melanin found in the skin and responsible for collecting and removing metals and toxins from brain
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ur statistics are not only severly outdated...
and wht the hell is an "African American"?
.."CAUCASIAN??"
HOW? do these terms relate w/ P I G M E N T...hue...skin color...MELANIN !!!
come on dude...i jus told you those diseases are DIRECTLY related to LACK of pigment...is this the best you do?
i dont relate to manmade terms...only NATURE...although melanin is a manmade term, at least its REAL
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well..lets look @ the etimology
eu means GOOD or WELL
melanin means BLACK or DARK BROWN pigment
neuro corelates w/ the CNS
melanin AGAIN means BLACK or DARK BROWN
those disorders ARE moor common amoung those who LACK skin pigment OR are GENETICALLY predisposed (theres that word again)
the cns IS where the instructions for skin pigmentation OR lack thereof begin...DO THE MATH...if your cns is sending instructions to produce LIMITED amts of pigment...then its goin to do jus that...you CANT produce skin pigment if you LACK the mental capacity to do so
damn...there are goes those words again...MENTAL CAPACITY
I'm fairly sure it is the Pituitary gland and the glandular system that produce skin pigments.
huh? skin pigments are produced in melanocytes which is on the skin.
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ur statistics are not only severly outdated...
and wht the hell is an "African American"?
.."CAUCASIAN??"
HOW? do these terms relate w/ P I G M E N T...hue...skin color...MELANIN !!!
come on dude...i jus told you those diseases are DIRECTLY related to LACK of pigment...is this the best you do?
i dont relate to manmade terms...only NATURE...although melanin is a manmade term, at least its REAL
...you actually have a decent point here. I'll translate it for the rest of the group.
muur is saying, and correctly, that race isn't purely related to genes for skin tone. Race entails subtle genetic differences that make it almost a non scientific classification.
also race studies suck because of the fact that it is largely socio-economic. For one example of a flawed study, it was once thought that black people in general were prone to sickle cell anemia. while partially true, the real connection was dark skin. Fact is not all black people are dark as night, its a common fallacy.
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ur statistics are not only severly outdated...
and wht the hell is an "African American"?
.."CAUCASIAN??"
HOW? do these terms relate w/ P I G M E N T...hue...skin color...MELANIN !!!
come on dude...i jus told you those diseases are DIRECTLY related to LACK of pigment...is this the best you do?
i dont relate to manmade terms...only NATURE...although melanin is a manmade term, at least its REAL
...you actually have a decent point here. I'll translate it for the rest of the group.
muur is saying, and correctly, that race isn't purely related to genes for skin tone. Race entails subtle genetic differences that make it almost a non scientific classification.
also race studies suck because of the fact that it is largely socio-economic. For one example of a flawed study, it was once thought that black people in general were prone to sickle cell anemia. while partially true, the real connection was dark skin. Fact is not all black people are dark as night, its a common fallacy.
those disorders ARE moor common amoung those who LACK skin pigment
Muur is referring specifically to Alzheimer's, Dementia, and Parkinson's.
I was merely pointing out that among people of all skin colours, these diseases seem to occur at a relatively similar rate.
.."im" not arguing anything...the dude said something about neuromelanin not having anything to do w/ epi melanin?...FALSE
Care to elabourate?
"modern science" says the instructions for melanogenesis starts in the brain (i say it starts elsewhere...BUT i wont get n2 that here)...
I've not read that anywhere, could you please link to a source stating this? Also, I would like for you to get into this discussion. I always thought it was a genetic thing that determines relative skin pigmentation, are you saying science believes I can think myself either darker or lighter?
ur statistics are not only severly outdated...
The studies are from 1999, 2001 and 2003. What do you think has changed in ~10 years that would have made these statistics vary greatly?
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well..lets look @ the etimology
eu means GOOD or WELL
melanin means BLACK or DARK BROWN pigment
neuro corelates w/ the CNS
melanin AGAIN means BLACK or DARK BROWN
those disorders ARE moor common amoung those who LACK skin pigment OR are GENETICALLY predisposed (theres that word again)
the cns IS where the instructions for skin pigmentation OR lack thereof begin...DO THE MATH...if your cns is sending instructions to produce LIMITED amts of pigment...then its goin to do jus that...you CANT produce skin pigment if you LACK the mental capacity to do so
damn...there are goes those words again...MENTAL CAPACITY
I'm fairly sure it is the Pituitary gland and the glandular system that produce skin pigments.
huh? skin pigments are produced in melanocytes which is on the skin.
Quite right. I meant control the development if the amount of melanin in the skin. Should've worded that better.
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ur statistics are not only severly outdated...
and wht the hell is an "African American"?
.."CAUCASIAN??"
HOW? do these terms relate w/ P I G M E N T...hue...skin color...MELANIN !!!
come on dude...i jus told you those diseases are DIRECTLY related to LACK of pigment...is this the best you do?
i dont relate to manmade terms...only NATURE...although melanin is a manmade term, at least its REAL
...you actually have a decent point here. I'll translate it for the rest of the group.
muur is saying, and correctly, that race isn't purely related to genes for skin tone. Race entails subtle genetic differences that make it almost a non scientific classification.
also race studies suck because of the fact that it is largely socio-economic. For one example of a flawed study, it was once thought that black people in general were prone to sickle cell anemia. while partially true, the real connection was dark skin. Fact is not all black people are dark as night, its a common fallacy.
Isn't the real connection that if someone has heterozygous alleles for sickle cell anemia he has a natural defense against AIDS, and since most AIDS is in Africa, and most Africans are black more Africans get sickle cell anemia?
Or am I now mixing up cause and effect?
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ur statistics are not only severly outdated...
and wht the hell is an "African American"?
.."CAUCASIAN??"
HOW? do these terms relate w/ P I G M E N T...hue...skin color...MELANIN !!!
come on dude...i jus told you those diseases are DIRECTLY related to LACK of pigment...is this the best you do?
i dont relate to manmade terms...only NATURE...although melanin is a manmade term, at least its REAL
...you actually have a decent point here. I'll translate it for the rest of the group.
muur is saying, and correctly, that race isn't purely related to genes for skin tone. Race entails subtle genetic differences that make it almost a non scientific classification.
also race studies suck because of the fact that it is largely socio-economic. For one example of a flawed study, it was once thought that black people in general were prone to sickle cell anemia. while partially true, the real connection was dark skin. Fact is not all black people are dark as night, its a common fallacy.
Isn't the real connection that if someone has heterozygous alleles for sickle cell anemia he has a natural defense against AIDS, and since most AIDS is in Africa, and most Africans are black more Africans get sickle cell anemia?
Or am I now mixing up cause and effect?
right idea wrong disease. it helps with sickle cell helps with malaria.
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...again SCA is an "environmentally" related disease...u cant compare this w/ all the parkinsons, or dementia
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...sorry SCA is response to the "environmentally" related malaria
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exactly....you DONT have to have malanin to get malaria...BUT you have to have it to get SCA to fight malaria
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ur statistics are not only severly outdated...
and wht the hell is an "African American"?
.."CAUCASIAN??"
HOW? do these terms relate w/ P I G M E N T...hue...skin color...MELANIN !!!
come on dude...i jus told you those diseases are DIRECTLY related to LACK of pigment...is this the best you do?
i dont relate to manmade terms...only NATURE...although melanin is a manmade term, at least its REAL
...you actually have a decent point here. I'll translate it for the rest of the group.
muur is saying, and correctly, that race isn't purely related to genes for skin tone. Race entails subtle genetic differences that make it almost a non scientific classification.
also race studies suck because of the fact that it is largely socio-economic. For one example of a flawed study, it was once thought that black people in general were prone to sickle cell anemia. while partially true, the real connection was dark skin. Fact is not all black people are dark as night, its a common fallacy.
Isn't the real connection that if someone has heterozygous alleles for sickle cell anemia he has a natural defense against AIDS, and since most AIDS is in Africa, and most Africans are black more Africans get sickle cell anemia?
Or am I now mixing up cause and effect?
right idea wrong disease. it helps with sickle cell helps with malaria.
Oh shit yeah, actually 20% of Europeans has a natural defense for AIDS, don't know why though. Someone knows?
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ur statistics are not only severly outdated...
and wht the hell is an "African American"?
.."CAUCASIAN??"
HOW? do these terms relate w/ P I G M E N T...hue...skin color...MELANIN !!!
come on dude...i jus told you those diseases are DIRECTLY related to LACK of pigment...is this the best you do?
i dont relate to manmade terms...only NATURE...although melanin is a manmade term, at least its REAL
...you actually have a decent point here. I'll translate it for the rest of the group.
muur is saying, and correctly, that race isn't purely related to genes for skin tone. Race entails subtle genetic differences that make it almost a non scientific classification.
also race studies suck because of the fact that it is largely socio-economic. For one example of a flawed study, it was once thought that black people in general were prone to sickle cell anemia. while partially true, the real connection was dark skin. Fact is not all black people are dark as night, its a common fallacy.
Isn't the real connection that if someone has heterozygous alleles for sickle cell anemia he has a natural defense against AIDS, and since most AIDS is in Africa, and most Africans are black more Africans get sickle cell anemia?
Or am I now mixing up cause and effect?
right idea wrong disease. it helps with sickle cell helps with malaria.
Oh shit yeah, actually 20% of Europeans has a natural defense for AIDS, don't know why though. Someone knows?
it being manmade might have something to do w/ it.
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Except that HIV has all the markers that make it seem as though it's a modified version of the SIV virus that some of the great apes carry. And the dispersal pattern of the disease seems to match well with indigenous populations who've been known to consume bush meat. Native tribes who've eaten bush meat for many generations also seem to have a natural tolerance/immunity to HIV.
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i did find this BUT in my research...you DONT want to have the ability to "live longer" w/ any disease...the body should be trying to rid itself "naturally" of that disease as quickly as possible...even if alot of the "race" has to die in the process
http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-10-hispanics-longest-cdc.html
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Can someone translate that?
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i did find this BUT in my research...you DONT want to have the ability to "live longer" w/ any disease...the body should be trying to rid itself "naturally" of that disease as quickly as possible...even if alot of the "race" has to die in the process
http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-10-hispanics-longest-cdc.html
Are you suggesting that it is better to succumb to an illness than to go on living?
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uh? does one "succumb" to an illness...thats manmade
back to malaria, SCA and the natural environment
"i" initially said that we cant use parkinson and dementia (to name a few) in comparison w/ "any" environmental disease...including but not limited to, stress, diet, heart diease, high blood pressure, ect that can be also considered "lifestyle" and not genetic. parkinson adn dementia are gentically linked
the reason those ppl w/ SCA cant get malaria again...(remember you cant get SCA if you dont have melanin), is because the body has BUILT up a resistence to malaria...that took years...probable decades and ALOT of lives...all done w/ the help of melanin and nature no vaccines
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well..lets look @ the etimology
eu means GOOD or WELL
melanin means BLACK or DARK BROWN pigment
neuro corelates w/ the CNS
melanin AGAIN means BLACK or DARK BROWN
those disorders ARE moor common amoung those who LACK skin pigment OR are GENETICALLY predisposed (theres that word again)
the cns IS where the instructions for skin pigmentation OR lack thereof begin...DO THE MATH...if your cns is sending instructions to produce LIMITED amts of pigment...then its goin to do jus that...you CANT produce skin pigment if you LACK the mental capacity to do so
damn...there are goes those words again...MENTAL CAPACITY
I'm fairly sure it is the Pituitary gland and the glandular system that produce skin pigments.
huh? skin pigments are produced in melanocytes which is on the skin.
Quite right. I meant control the development if the amount of melanin in the skin. Should've worded that better.
I'm 90% sure that this is caused by the damage by the DNA. If I remember correctly, when Sunlight hits the melanocyte's DNA, it energizes certain parts to create thymine dimers, which then in turn for a new set of protiens that lead to the production of melanin
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melanogenesis STARTS in the cns (brain....pitituary)..the melanin produced in the skin by the melanocytes, are basically for protective purposes..but this isnt where the (initial) process starts....the one that determins "how much" melanin a person is going to be able to produce...thymine diming occurs when the body sends instruction to produce pigment (for protection)...in someone that LACKS the mental ability to produce it
meaning...that when the sun hits these ppl...the melanocytes are going to produce pigment, and theyre NOT suppose to....because the instructions for melanogenesis STARTS in the brain...(cns), NOT in the skin...there is no "safe" tan for these ppl...this is actually their FIRST sign of dna damage
there has been a mutation in the pathway of "normal" melanogenesis when thymine diming occurs
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Muur, you do realize that black people who live in northern regions get darker in the summer and lighter in the winter just like everybody else, don't you?
You'll have a hard time finding any REALLY dark skinned people north of 45o in February, even if they may have been very dark when they lived in a sunnier climate.
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Muur, you do realize that black people who live in northern regions get darker in the summer and lighter in the winter just like everybody else, don't you?
You'll have a hard time finding any REALLY dark skinned people north of 45o in February, even if they may have been very dark when they lived in a sunnier climate.
??? im considerd a dark skinned woman...i can guarantee you that im not much lighter than i was a couple months ago.. how much lighter do you expect me to get??. im not goin to change a completly diffrent hue unless i either 1) mix w/ someone who lacks or has limited amt of pigment OR 2)
get caught up a catacylsm somewhere and devolve into producing limited amts of pigment
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When you mix with someone? Fusion??
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Muur, you do realize that black people who live in northern regions get darker in the summer and lighter in the winter just like everybody else, don't you?
You'll have a hard time finding any REALLY dark skinned people north of 45o in February, even if they may have been very dark when they lived in a sunnier climate.
??? im considerd a dark skinned woman...i can guarantee you that im not much lighter than i was a couple months ago.. how much lighter do you expect me to get??. im not goin to change a completly diffrent hue unless i either 1) mix w/ someone who lacks or has limited amt of pigment OR 2)
get caught up a catacylsm somewhere and devolve into producing limited amts of pigment
So you've proved the concept, you've become lighter because your exposure to the sun is limited in winter. Unless you can think of some other reason as to why you'd change colour depending on the seasons. Also, if you typically cover certain body parts when out in the sun, they'll be noticeably lighter than the parts which are habitually exposed. This is due to the thymine diming you've alluded to.
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nooo...thymine diming occurs when there has been a disruption in the "normal" process of producing pigmentation. your cns send out instructions...NOT the skin. the "tan" i get when the sun hits my skin is SECONDARY to the fact that...im "suppose" to be dark....its serves as protection...so of course those areas that ARENT protected...are goin to be darker
soooo im dark because 1)...im suppose to be and 2) to serve for protective purposes
the "tan" i get in the summer...IS PERMaNENT..the exposed areas remain darker than the rest of my body...even in the winter
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Can I get a facepalm?
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nooo...thymine diming occurs when there has been a disruption in the "normal" process of producing pigmentation. your cns send out instructions...NOT the skin. the "tan" i get when the sun hits my skin is SECONDARY to the fact that...im "suppose" to be dark....its serves as protection...so of course those areas that ARENT protected...are goin to be darker
soooo im dark because 1)...im suppose to be and 2) to serve for protective purposes
the "tan" i get in the summer...IS PERMaNENT..the exposed areas remain darker than the rest of my body...even in the winter
So how does your CNS know which parts are exposed and which are not? Just so you know, my arms/face/neck are permanently darker than my chest/back/upper thighs. Is it because my CNS just decides to colour those parts slightly darker for no reason at all, or is mine because of past cell damage, and yours is because of a separate process involving conscious decisions?
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...i cant get into that here..its not the right topic and gets waaay complicated
just know that the "ancestor" that left africa and started mating w/ things she shouldnt have..these ppl got caught up in a terrible catacylsm and eventully LOST their ability to produce pigment "properly"...
"my" ancestors STAYED in africa..my dna can by traced DIRECTLY to ppl whos cns is functions properly evidenced by the fact that my WHOLE body is dark and can ABSORB the suns rays no matter what time a year it is...or where i am...there is ALWAYS a sun
this fact puts dark skin moor intune w/ its natural invironment
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Pretty sure all of humanity originated from Africa in the beginning.
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I'm afraid to ask this question, but with what did they mate that they shouldn't have?
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Muur, you do realize that black people who live in northern regions get darker in the summer and lighter in the winter just like everybody else, don't you?
You'll have a hard time finding any REALLY dark skinned people north of 45o in February, even if they may have been very dark when they lived in a sunnier climate.
??? im considerd a dark skinned woman...i can guarantee you that im not much lighter than i was a couple months ago.. how much lighter do you expect me to get??. im not goin to change a completly diffrent hue unless i either 1) mix w/ someone who lacks or has limited amt of pigment OR 2)
get caught up a catacylsm somewhere and devolve into producing limited amts of pigment
So you've proved the concept, you've become lighter because your exposure to the sun is limited in winter. Unless you can think of some other reason as to why you'd change colour depending on the seasons. Also, if you typically cover certain body parts when out in the sun, they'll be noticeably lighter than the parts which are habitually exposed. This is due to the thymine diming you've alluded to.
its the opposite.
thymine diming causes the production of melanin.
the reverse happens as the melanin degrades and the DNA repairs
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I'm afraid to ask this question, but with what did they mate that they shouldn't have?
White people.
That's the only reason this melanin theory crap exists; a pseudoscientific explanation so people can justify, at least to themselves, being completely racist.
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not understanding where the confusions is...the main reason why a person will get skin cancer..is because when sun hits the skin..the melanocytes are instructing them to produce melanin (for protection)...this would be OK in someone what is SUPPOSE to produce melanin
someone who "tans" might confuse this w/ the protective properties of melanin..in actually they ARE suffering cellular damage and HOW this is manifested depends on the "rate" of dna repair...which is already limited..cos they are working w/ a very small amt of the genome (mitrochondria dna) to repair it w/
someone who is SUPPOSE to produce melanin is working w/ MORE of the genome (nuclear dna)..so they dont NEED to be worried w/ dna repair...or thymine dimmers
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I'm afraid to ask this question, but with what did they mate that they shouldn't have?
White people.
That's the only reason this melanin theory crap exists; a pseudoscientific explanation so people can justify, at least to themselves, being completely racist.
and..actually no...i meant neanderthals..white ppl came much later
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lol..you fell right into that one
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I'm afraid to ask this question, but with what did they mate that they shouldn't have?
White people.
That's the only reason this melanin theory crap exists; a pseudoscientific explanation so people can justify, at least to themselves, being completely racist.
and..actually no...i meant neanderthals..white ppl came much later
Soooooo black people mated with Neanderthals and that became white people?
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I'm afraid to ask this question, but with what did they mate that they shouldn't have?
White people.
That's the only reason this melanin theory crap exists; a pseudoscientific explanation so people can justify, at least to themselves, being completely racist.
and..actually no...i meant neanderthals..white ppl came much later
Soooooo black people mated with Neanderthals and that became white people?
pseudoscience??? there is nooo place for that in nature...you can call me a racist if you want...but you cant accuse nature of being a racist
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I'm afraid to ask this question, but with what did they mate that they shouldn't have?
White people.
That's the only reason this melanin theory crap exists; a pseudoscientific explanation so people can justify, at least to themselves, being completely racist.
and..actually no...i meant neanderthals..white ppl came much later
Soooooo black people mated with Neanderthals and that became white people?
pseudoscience??? there is nooo place for that in nature...you can call me a racist if you want...but you cant accuse nature of being a racist
Sorry but that video does not say that africans came to europe, mated with neanderthals and because of that gave birth to white people.
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Please explain how neanderthals managed to migrate to America so Africans could breed with them while they were extinct.
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neanderthal dna is found in everybody EXCEPT "africans"..if you listened, you wouldve heard that the ancestor that left africa mated and w/ these things.
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neanderthal dna is found in everybody EXCEPT "africans"..if you listened, you wouldve heard that the ancestor that left africa mated and w/ these things.
No it doesn't say that.
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Please explain how neanderthals managed to migrate to America so Africans could breed with them while they were extinct.
the africans that stayed in africa DIDNT mate w/ these things
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That means exactly moot. Europeans were never neanderthals, especially those who migrated to America.
the africans that stayed in africa DIDNT mate w/ these things
And what is wrong with neanderthals to begin with? They were superior to our ancestors in many ways.
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neanderthal dna is found in everybody EXCEPT "africans"..if you listened, you wouldve heard that the ancestor that left africa mated and w/ these things.
lol...@2:31
No it doesn't say that.
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ur kinda late w/ the neanderthal knowledge...its very old news...my ancestors tell basically the same story...but tells "why" they left..and gets into genetic manipulation...loooks like this story checks out the way they explained
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What the hell are you talking about?
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I'm afraid to ask this question, but with what did they mate that they shouldn't have?
White people.
That's the only reason this melanin theory crap exists; a pseudoscientific explanation so people can justify, at least to themselves, being completely racist.
Yes.
but note now that muur is trying to make an opposite claim, that melanin has some superior benefits, which is true regarding the whole skin cancer thing, but then she makes a bunch of different completely false claims.
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What the hell are you talking about?
noone knows lol
I think she's trying to claim that white people are part neanderthal, which is been shown to be false.
the truth, is that at one time there may have existed a humanoid population in Europe and Asia, but then these people became extinct.
some 150k years ago +-30 years, a subgroup migrated out of Africa into Asia (middle east for all you race/humanclassification lovers).
Then 50k or so years later, a subgroup of this sub group migrated into Europe. The other populations had either gone extinct, or were on their way to extinction because of the superior brand of europeans aka humans
I did read however a study that suggests neanderthals might have mated with humans, but the problems I see, are that they only sequenced 5 people. So their conclusion that the neanderthal DNA doesn't exist in africans is flawed. Also there is no way to know if the neanderthal DNA hadn't been already transferred because of the split. All in all, I think people shouldn't get their shorts in a not, because only 78 genes differ from humans in the first place, so if africans have 78 genes different, and the rest of humanity has only 65 different, the differences are too small and insignificant. Unfortunately this will probably cause a scientific racism shitstorm
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not understanding where the confusions is...the main reason why a person will get skin cancer..is because when sun hits the skin..the melanocytes are instructing them to produce melanin (for protection)...this would be OK in someone what is SUPPOSE to produce melanin
someone who "tans" might confuse this w/ the protective properties of melanin..in actually they ARE suffering cellular damage and HOW this is manifested depends on the "rate" of dna repair...which is already limited..cos they are working w/ a very small amt of the genome (mitrochondria dna) to repair it w/
someone who is SUPPOSE to produce melanin is working w/ MORE of the genome (nuclear dna)..so they dont NEED to be worried w/ dna repair...or thymine dimmers
So bacteria and blacks are equally evolved? I'd say that's a fair assessment.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/06/AR2010050604423.html
The researchers removed half a gram of bone powder with a dental drill. More than 95 percent of the DNA in the sample belonged to bacteria and fungi, not to the Neanderthals. The scientists used a variety of techniques to eliminate the microbial DNA, recover the non-microbial DNA through polymerase chain reaction amplification, and assure themselves they had Neanderthal material and not modern human contaminants.
the ancestor "mtDNA EVE"... that left.. mated w/ these things (whose DNA is moor similiar to humans than monkeys)..and DEVOLVED into the mixed races and later white man...the mitochondria deal w/ HOW we interact w/ our environment..its a KNOWN FACT that the descendents of mtDNA (EVERYBODY except those whos dna can b traced DIRECTLY back to africa)...have issues dealing w/ the NATURAL environment
the gov is offering 2.5 MILL to anyone that can provide a way to wipe off the fungus and virus the are on your mtDNA
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not understanding where the confusions is...the main reason why a person will get skin cancer..is because when sun hits the skin..the melanocytes are instructing them to produce melanin (for protection)...this would be OK in someone what is SUPPOSE to produce melanin
someone who "tans" might confuse this w/ the protective properties of melanin..in actually they ARE suffering cellular damage and HOW this is manifested depends on the "rate" of dna repair...which is already limited..cos they are working w/ a very small amt of the genome (mitrochondria dna) to repair it w/
someone who is SUPPOSE to produce melanin is working w/ MORE of the genome (nuclear dna)..so they dont NEED to be worried w/ dna repair...or thymine dimmers
So bacteria and blacks are equally evolved? I'd say that's a fair assessment.
noooo actually your the ones whos dna is coated w/ bacteria, fungus, and viruses
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not understanding where the confusions is...the main reason why a person will get skin cancer..is because when sun hits the skin..the melanocytes are instructing them to produce melanin (for protection)...this would be OK in someone what is SUPPOSE to produce melanin
someone who "tans" might confuse this w/ the protective properties of melanin..in actually they ARE suffering cellular damage and HOW this is manifested depends on the "rate" of dna repair...which is already limited..cos they are working w/ a very small amt of the genome (mitrochondria dna) to repair it w/
someone who is SUPPOSE to produce melanin is working w/ MORE of the genome (nuclear dna)..so they dont NEED to be worried w/ dna repair...or thymine dimmers
So bacteria and blacks are equally evolved? I'd say that's a fair assessment.
noooo actually your the ones whos dna is coated w/ bacteria, fungus, and viruses
No, no, no. You said that we use mitochondrial dna in places that blacks use their own. Mitochondrial dna is bacterial dna. Therefore blacks are at about the same level as the bacteria.
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im STILL not understanding where the confusion stems
ok
...mitochondria are responsible for converting the energy...aerobically in the presence of O2...this ISNT good, not only does it mean that they came from bacteria...it also means that youre going to have cellular division that results in premature aging and DAMAGE...these MUTATIONS add up over ones lifetime and are eventually passed on
UNclear..i mean NUclear DNA on the otherhand is diffrent it houses our genetic info, and the VERY IMPORTANT top secret DNA repair mechanisms lie here..in the UNclear..i mean NUclear dna
when mtDNA eve mated w/ that thing...(and know that it took THOUSANDS of years to crack the black womans egg), it left the mixed races and eventually the white man w/ a HUGE ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM...fungus, bacteria...and viruses on the mitochondria..
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/rfa-files/RFA-ES-11-007.html
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im STILL not understanding where the confusion stems
ok
...mitochondria are responsible for converting the energy...aerobically in the presence of O2...this ISNT good, not only does it mean that they came from bacteria...it also means that youre going to have cellular division that results in premature aging and DAMAGE...these MUTATIONS add up over ones lifetime and are eventually passed on
UNclear..i mean NUclear DNA on the otherhand is diffrent it houses our genetic info, and the VERY IMPORTANT top secret DNA repair mechanisms lie here..in the UNclear..i mean NUclear dna
when mtDNA eve mated w/ that thing...(and know that it took THOUSANDS of years to crack the black womans egg), it left the mixed races and eventually the white man w/ a HUGE ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM...fungus, bacteria...and viruses on the mitochondria..
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/rfa-files/RFA-ES-11-007.html
Uh, you do realize that blacks and whites have the same mitochondria pretty much. Also, how would it take thousands of years to "crack the black woman's egg?" Blacks and whites have been able to freely mate at all times throughout our species past.
I hate to break it to you but there has been no reduction of fecundity when blacks and whites mate. Also, are you trying to say that blacks and whites are different species? A lack of ability to interbreed would mean your race is a completely separate species.
Another few quick points, blacks and whites use their nuclear dna the same, it is the dna that makes us people. Mitochondria on the other hand are simply what make us eukaryotes. Without them you are a prokaryote (read: single cell organism) And on a final note to clear everything up, dna repair mechanisms aren't really that secret. In fact we know their amino acid sequence.
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if they KNEW the exact sequences...then there would a cure for their skin cancer and MANY other diseases the depend exclusively on OXIDATIVE STRESS and HOW amino acids are broke down... only found in mitochondria
as ive said b4 the mitochondria are responsible for how your dna works w/ the environment..."black" ppl have another whole diffrent mechanism that deals w/ the environment and HOW we deal w/ stress..if you were listening to me in past posts..u would kno that.
yes..EVERYBODY has mitochondria of course...but not EVERYBODY depends on that mechanism as the sole source of energy
we ALL have nuclear dna..BUT not everybody can tap into it...evidenced by the FACT that "black" ppl are able to deal w/ the suns rays completly diffrent than someone who lacks pigment
i KEEP referencing skin cancer cos its the SAME mechanism or pathway that any other cancer or disease would take...oxidative stress or rapid cellular division that are only found on the MITOCHONDRIA...with skin cancer we are able to SEE the effects of this free radical stress
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Tap into DNA?
Knowing a protein sequence helps cure skin cancer?
Mitochondria responsible for how your dna works with the environment?
You skipped a few too many biology classes.
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What the fuck is this guy talking about?! ???
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Melanin theories are strange to say the least. The reality is that lighter components of a salad usually pack less nutrients. They are more intelligent and efficient plants.
That is the reason animals prefer darker more nutrient greens-they are simply to dumb to convert those extra nutrients into any form of intellgence hence the easier, tastier, and more beneficial meal.
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Tap into DNA?
Knowing a protein sequence helps cure skin cancer?
Mitochondria responsible for how your dna works with the environment?
You skipped a few too many biology classes.
well...you tell me..what IS the cure for skin cancer???
they CANT teach what i know in biology class...its illegal
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ooo ooo ooo..i know...MELANIN!!!
so now you have to PROVE to me..that what i have and can manufacture on MY OWN...isnt good enough for me so that you have to manufacture it, bottle it and smear it on your bodies and the bottle of space shuttles, for protection
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ooo ooo ooo..i know...MELANIN!!!
so now you have to PROVE to me..that what i have and can manufacture on MY OWN...isnt good enough for me so that you have to manufacture it, bottle it and smear it on your bodies and the bottle of space shuttles, for protection
What space shuttles?
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ooo ooo ooo..i know...MELANIN!!!
so now you have to PROVE to me..that what i have and can manufacture on MY OWN...isnt good enough for me so that you have to manufacture it, bottle it and smear it on your bodies and the bottle of space shuttles, for protection
What space shuttles?
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs478.snc3/26201_395026419496_674734496_3582268_4815385_n.jpg)
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What the fuck is this guy talking about?! ???
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What the fuck is this guy talking about?! ???
Black people > white people
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This is one of the funniest threads I've seen in a while. They smear melanin on space shuttles, do they?
What the fuck is this guy talking about?! ???
Black people > white people
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Pretty much.
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ooo ooo ooo..i know...MELANIN!!!
so now you have to PROVE to me..that what i have and can manufacture on MY OWN...isnt good enough for me so that you have to manufacture it, bottle it and smear it on your bodies and the bottle of space shuttles, for protection
What space shuttles?
Muur feels that because the ceramic coated silicon tiles are black, they must be made of carbon, it's somewhere in this thread.
Also, apparently because sunscreen is white, because its active ingredient is Zinc Oxide, it must be made of melanin because it helps protect against UV rays.
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dude..thats not jus black paint...its SYNTHETIC MELANIN...CARBON..this is old news...and i really dont care what suncreen is made of...can you understand what its suppose to do?... oR even better...WHY a person would even get skin cancer??of course not...
like i said b4 the gov is offering 2.5 MIL to anyone that can offer info on how to wipe the fungus, bacteria, and viruses off of your mitochondrial dna
lol..the funny thing is..is that it CANT be done
hate to break it to yaw...but if your dna CANT be traced DIRECTLY to africa without going through the middle east..turkey, asia, euro, ect...then you ARE hybrid...devolved...created. the government knows this, not only is there an increase in skin cancer, but other cancers as well.
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dude..thats not jus black paint...its SYNTHETIC MELANIN...CARBON..this is old news...and i really dont care what suncreen is made of...can you understand what its suppose to do?... oR even better...WHY a person would even get skin cancer??of course not...
like i said b4 the gov is offering 2.5 MIL to anyone that can offer info on how to wipe the fungus, bacteria, and viruses off of your mitochondrial dna
lol..the funny thing is..is that it CANT be done
hate to break it to yaw...but if your dna CANT be traced DIRECTLY to africa without going through the middle east..turkey, asia, euro, ect...then you ARE hybrid...devolved...created. the government knows this, not only is there an increase in skin cancer, but other cancers as well.
Oh really?
http://caonline.amcancersoc.org/cgi/reprint/48/1/31.pdf (http://caonline.amcancersoc.org/cgi/reprint/48/1/31.pdf)
Starting on page 4 of that document there are some charts.
Source: American Cancer Society Journals (http://amcancersoc.org/)
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sorry...i did a quick search...could find the word "MELANIN"...or even "PIGMENT"..so i didnt bother to finish reading...you cant address cancer w/out address in that very important factor
PLUS...health issues that "african americans" face...are CURED by dietary changes...i said b4 that we deal w/ environmental stress TOTALLY diffrently than you.
melanin is a free radical scavanger...so how could it be the cause of cancer at the same time????
pease ask yourself these questions b4 you embarrass yourself again
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Where are your source for your assertions about melanin?
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Where are your source for your assertions about melanin?
all through this topic...and im gettin kind of sick of repeating the same thing over and over
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Where are your source for your assertions about melanin?
all through this topic...and im gettin kind of sick of repeating the same thing over and over
So you have no actual, medical sources? Good to know.
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How is a naturally occurring element synthetic?
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sorry...i did a quick search...could find the word "MELANIN"...or even "PIGMENT"..so i didnt bother to finish reading...you cant address cancer w/out address in that very important factor
PLUS...health issues that "african americans" face...are CURED by dietary changes...i said b4 that we deal w/ environmental stress TOTALLY diffrently than you.
melanin is a free radical scavanger...so how could it be the cause of cancer at the same time????
pease ask yourself these questions b4 you embarrass yourself again
You just said that "people who can't trace their ancestry back to africa without going through the middle east are more vulnerable to cancers." He proved this statement wrong. Perhaps you shouldn't have made it if it weren't true. Also, you have proven that this ancestry is less important than diet. A better diet therefore trumps the power of melanin by quite a bit.
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PLUS...health issues that "african americans" face...are CURED by dietary changes...i said b4 that we deal w/ environmental stress TOTALLY diffrently than you.
Really? African Americans can cure multiple sclerosis with dietary changes? Proof please.
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like i said b4 the gov is offering 2.5 MIL to anyone that can offer info on how to wipe the fungus, bacteria, and viruses off of your mitochondrial dna
lol..the funny thing is..is that it CANT be done
Has anyone explained the origins of mitochondria to Muur yet? Much less the fact that mitochondrial DNA is not covered in fungus, bacteria and viruses?
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Bellows, C. F., Belafsky, P., Fortgang, I. S., & Beech, D. J. (2001). Melanoma in African-Americans: trends in biological behavior and clinical characteristics over two decades. Journal of Surgical Oncology, 78(1), 10-16.
Overall survival time for African-Americans with cutaneous melanoma is significantly shorter than for caucasians with this disease. This trend may be attributable to the fact that African-Americans present with advanced disease. An increased level of awareness among both patients and health-care providers is necessary to identify African-Americans with melanoma at earlier stages of disease and to improve survival.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jso.1116/abstract (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jso.1116/abstract)
Isn't it great that Muur is wrong and I've demonstrated for it how to actually cite science?
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Where are your source for your assertions about melanin?
all through this topic...and im gettin kind of sick of repeating the same thing over and over
So you have no actual, medical sources? Good to know.
they CANT observe it "in vivo" (while its in my skin)...theyve spent millions trying...the closest thing they can get, is to extract it from fish, fungus, or the human eye and study it "in vitro" in a controlled environment...even then..they STILL cant find the exact molecular structure of melanin...because there isnt one..it changes based on its environment and this process STARTS in the brain (pitituary) not the skin..if it were that simple..they could jus extract it from MY skin and put it in someone elses...right???..then there WOULD be a cure
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Bellows, C. F., Belafsky, P., Fortgang, I. S., & Beech, D. J. (2001). Melanoma in African-Americans: trends in biological behavior and clinical characteristics over two decades. Journal of Surgical Oncology, 78(1), 10-16.
Overall survival time for African-Americans with cutaneous melanoma is significantly shorter than for caucasians with this disease. This trend may be attributable to the fact that African-Americans present with advanced disease. An increased level of awareness among both patients and health-care providers is necessary to identify African-Americans with melanoma at earlier stages of disease and to improve survival.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jso.1116/abstract (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jso.1116/abstract)
Isn't it great that Muur is wrong and I've demonstrated for it how to actually cite science?
FAIL...no reference to melanin AT ALL..iand i already told you that whenever the body senses disease...infection...cancer...its going to try to get rid of it quickly, even if ppl have to die... living w/ longer w/ cancer is BAD
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like i said b4 the gov is offering 2.5 MIL to anyone that can offer info on how to wipe the fungus, bacteria, and viruses off of your mitochondrial dna
lol..the funny thing is..is that it CANT be done
Has anyone explained the origins of mitochondria to Muur yet? Much less the fact that mitochondrial DNA is not covered in fungus, bacteria and viruses?
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/rfa-files/RFA-ES-11-007.html
not according to your government
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they CANT observe it "in vivo" (while its in my skin)...theyve spent millions trying...the closest thing they can get, is to extract it from fish, fungus, or the human eye and study it "in vitro" in a controlled environment...
God, can you not even use Google? (http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v111/n5/full/5600183a.html)
even then..they STILL cant find the exact molecular structure of melanin...because there isnt one..it changes based on its environment
No, it does not, it is a compound created by a cellular process that is regulated by DNA.
and this process STARTS in the brain (pitituary) not the skin..
Wrong again. (http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v105/n1/abs/5610813a.html)
if it were that simple..they could jus extract it from MY skin and put it in someone elses...right???..then there WOULD be a cure
No, it wouldn't.
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Bellows, C. F., Belafsky, P., Fortgang, I. S., & Beech, D. J. (2001). Melanoma in African-Americans: trends in biological behavior and clinical characteristics over two decades. Journal of Surgical Oncology, 78(1), 10-16.
Overall survival time for African-Americans with cutaneous melanoma is significantly shorter than for caucasians with this disease. This trend may be attributable to the fact that African-Americans present with advanced disease. An increased level of awareness among both patients and health-care providers is necessary to identify African-Americans with melanoma at earlier stages of disease and to improve survival.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jso.1116/abstract (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jso.1116/abstract)
Isn't it great that Muur is wrong and I've demonstrated for it how to actually cite science?
FAIL...no reference to melanin AT ALL..
Because your superstitious obsession aside, melanin isn't magical.
iand i already told you that whenever the body senses disease...infection...cancer...its going to try to get rid of it quickly, even if ppl have to die... living w/ longer w/ cancer is BAD
So you admit that black people are biologically inferior? That's a turnaround.
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like i said b4 the gov is offering 2.5 MIL to anyone that can offer info on how to wipe the fungus, bacteria, and viruses off of your mitochondrial dna
lol..the funny thing is..is that it CANT be done
Has anyone explained the origins of mitochondria to Muur yet? Much less the fact that mitochondrial DNA is not covered in fungus, bacteria and viruses?
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/rfa-files/RFA-ES-11-007.html
not according to your government
Good God, what the hell? That's a grant to study biomarkers for use in studying cellular, specifically mitochondrial functioning. That isn't fungus, bacteria or viruses.
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woooow...lol..how childish..is that the best u can do..lol
i already told you..."african american" is a manmade term...there is nooo such thing...we come in many hues
..and no...you dont want to live LONGER w/ cancer...how the hell is a group of ppl suppose eventually get rid of the cancer???
God, can you not even use Google?...didnt you already use that one
No, it does not, it is a compound created by a cellular process that is regulated by DNA....i jus said they DONT KNOW the exact molecular structure
..and yes, melanogenesis STARTS IN THE PITITUARY
jus for that smarty pants...your tell me where does melanogenesis start??
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Identification of Biomarkers for Early Detection of Environmentally-Induced Mitochondrial Dysfunction (R01)
Mitochondrial dysfunction is associated with numerous chronic diseases including Type II diabetes, metabolic syndrome, neurodegenerative diseases, blindness, cardiovascular disease, and cancer. Although it is known that mitochondria are a target for numerous environmental compounds, including pesticides, bacterial and fungal toxins, and multiple industrial chemicals, there are only a few well-studied links between disease and mitochondrial dysfunction resulting from environmental exposures. Research in this area is hampered by a lack of tools to measure early markers of mitochondrial dysfunction in human studies, particularly with respect to ambient environmental exposures
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woooow...lol..how childish..is that the best u can do..lol
i already told you..."african american" is a manmade term...there is nooo such thing...we come in many hues
..and no...you dont want to live LONGER w/ cancer...how the hell is a group of ppl suppose eventually get rid of the cancer???
God, can you not even use Google?...didnt you already use that one
No, it does not, it is a compound created by a cellular process that is regulated by DNA....i jus said they DONT KNOW the exact molecular structure
..and yes, melanogenesis STARTS IN THE PITITUARY
jus for that smarty pants...your tell me where does melanogenesis start??
Actually blacks do not have a greater survival rate either. So they aren't fighting off the cancer.
At most they are dying before they can put forth the crappy genes that led to them getting cancer in the first place.
All you are doing is bragging about an autodestruct sequence built into your dna.
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woooow...lol..how childish..is that the best u can do..lol
Someone who thinks that mitochondrial DNA is covered in "fungus", thinks she can tap into her DNA, can photosynthesize, and can't even spell really has no business calling others childish.
i already told you..."african american" is a manmade term...
No shit, Sherlock.
there is nooo such thing...we come in many hues
Duh, despite the racist pseudoscience you've been posting.
..and no...you dont want to live LONGER w/ cancer...
Okay, I'm assuming then that if you ever get a malignancy, you'll immediately slit your own throat. Have fun with that.
how the hell is a group of ppl suppose eventually get rid of the cancer???
Its called "Medical science". You seem remarkably unfamiliar with it.
No, it does not, it is a compound created by a cellular process that is regulated by DNA....i jus said they DONT KNOW the exact molecular structure
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Eumelanine.svg/407px-Eumelanine.svg.png)
..and yes, melanogenesis STARTS IN THE PITITUARY
It does not, you ignorant child, it starts in melanocyte, subcutaneous organelles that produce melanosomes.
(http://photoprotection.clinuvel.com/custom/uploads/20080616_fig1_melanosome_v1(2).gif)
The pituitary is an endocrine gland located in the cranium that produces ACTH, TSH, GH and other hormones.
jus for that smarty pants...your tell me where does melanogenesis start??
In the melanocyte, in the stratum basale, in the epidermis. Try reading a physiology text sometime. Education is good for you.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Illu_skin02.jpg)
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Identification of Biomarkers for Early Detection of Environmentally-Induced Mitochondrial Dysfunction (R01)
Mitochondrial dysfunction is associated with numerous chronic diseases including Type II diabetes, metabolic syndrome, neurodegenerative diseases, blindness, cardiovascular disease, and cancer. Although it is known that mitochondria are a target for numerous environmental compounds, including pesticides, bacterial and fungal toxins, and multiple industrial chemicals, there are only a few well-studied links between disease and mitochondrial dysfunction resulting from environmental exposures. Research in this area is hampered by a lack of tools to measure early markers of mitochondrial dysfunction in human studies, particularly with respect to ambient environmental exposures
That refers to a breakdown of the actual organelle, or mutagenic activity, not that the mitochondrial DNA is "covered in fungus".
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ive told you several time that melanogenesis STARTS in the pititutary gland...one of
the OTHER HORMONES you left out was Alpha Melanocyte-Stimulating Hormone (?-MSH)..doe doe
and i suggest you look up the mitochondrial dysfunction they are talking about...theyre talking about MITOCHONDRIAL DNA and FUNGUS
In addition to their central role in cellular bioenergetics, mitochondria also play a major role in apoptosis, control of cytosolic calcium concentrations, and metabolic cell signaling. Through normal energy production by oxidative phosphorylation and ATP generation via the electron transport chain, mitochondria proteins and mtDNA are vulnerable to damage from reactive oxygen species (ROS). Mitochondria are also susceptible to damage from numerous natural and synthetic compounds that exert their toxicity by affecting the integrity of mtDNA, inhibiting complexes in the electron transport chain, altering membrane potential, affecting calcium homeostasis, and by modulating induction of apoptosis. Mitochondrial dysfunction is associated with numerous chronic diseases, and may reflect, in part, the vulnerability of mitochondria to environmental influences.
lol..and thats the CHEMICAL structure NOT the exact molecular structure
Melanin is a natural pigment produced within organelles, melanosomes, located in melanocytes. Biological functions of melanosomes are often attributed to the unique chemical properties of the melanins they contain; however, the molecular structure of melanins, the mechanism by which the pigment is produced, and how the pigment is organized within the melanosome remains to be fully understood.
Current challenges in understanding melanogenesis: bridging chemistry, biological control, morphology, and function.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19627559
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Where does it say fungus ???
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ive told you several time that melanogenesis STARTS in the pititutary gland...one of
the OTHER HORMONES you left out was Alpha Melanocyte-Stimulating Hormone (?-MSH)..doe doe
and i suggest you look up the mitochondrial dysfunction they are talking about...theyre talking about MITOCHONDRIAL DNA and FUNGUS
In addition to their central role in cellular bioenergetics, mitochondria also play a major role in apoptosis, control of cytosolic calcium concentrations, and metabolic cell signaling. Through normal energy production by oxidative phosphorylation and ATP generation via the electron transport chain, mitochondria proteins and mtDNA are vulnerable to damage from reactive oxygen species (ROS). Mitochondria are also susceptible to damage from numerous natural and synthetic compounds that exert their toxicity by affecting the integrity of mtDNA, inhibiting complexes in the electron transport chain, altering membrane potential, affecting calcium homeostasis, and by modulating induction of apoptosis. Mitochondrial dysfunction is associated with numerous chronic diseases, and may reflect, in part, the vulnerability of mitochondria to environmental influences.
lol..and thats the CHEMICAL structure NOT the exact molecular structure
Melanin is a natural pigment produced within organelles, melanosomes, located in melanocytes. Biological functions of melanosomes are often attributed to the unique chemical properties of the melanins they contain; however, the molecular structure of melanins, the mechanism by which the pigment is produced, and how the pigment is organized within the melanosome remains to be fully understood.
Current challenges in understanding melanogenesis: bridging chemistry, biological control, morphology, and function.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19627559
So, there is no fungus?
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Nature of the Research Opportunity:
Mitochondrial dysfunction is associated with numerous chronic diseases including Type II diabetes, metabolic syndrome, neurodegenerative diseases, blindness, cardiovascular disease, and cancer. Although it is known that mitochondria are a target for numerous environmental compounds, including pesticides, bacterial and fungal toxins, and multiple industrial chemicals, there are only a few well-studied links between disease and mitochondrial dysfunction resulting from environmental exposures.
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/rfa-files/RFA-ES-11-007.html
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what amazes me, is how someone (PETE) could start a discussion about MELANIN not even knowing where it starts
see kids..this is ONE reason that i say that you guys lack the mental capacity to even BEGIN to understand
...then he showed pics of 3d simple structures of carbon, 02 and H..thinking that that this was the actual molecular structure of melanin..dont you think if they KNEW the exact structure of natural melanin...they would be injecting that instead of SYNTHETIC Melanotan
lol...yea...i see why he thinks its pseudoscience
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What amazes me is how someone can expect to be taken seriously if they cannot spell worth a damn, nor string together a cohesive sentence without great difficulty.
Ad hominem is fun and completely relevant.
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ive told you several time that melanogenesis STARTS in the pititutary gland...one of
the OTHER HORMONES you left out was Alpha Melanocyte-Stimulating Hormone (?-MSH)..doe doe
Yes, muur, unlike you, I passed 8th grade, so I know that melanocyte-stimulating hormone is not part of the direct biosynthesis of melanin, but only stimulates it.
and i suggest you look up the mitochondrial dysfunction they are talking about...theyre talking about MITOCHONDRIAL DNA and FUNGUS
I know what I'm talking about muur, you on the other hand clearly have not a howling clue what you are talking about.
I'm not addressing any of the rest of your retarded points. Just because we do not have a step by step understanding of melanogenesis like we do with glycolysis and the Krebs Cycle does not mean melanin is the magic fairy dust you in your alternate reality seem to think it is.
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what amazes me, is how someone (PETE) could start a discussion about MELANIN not even knowing where it starts
It starts in the melanocytes, in the stratum basale of the epidermis. What are you on?
see kids..this is ONE reason that i say that you guys lack the mental capacity to even BEGIN to understand
But at least we can spell. What does that imply about you?
...then he showed pics of 3d simple structures of carbon, 02 and H..thinking that that this was the actual molecular structure of melanin..
Because it is. God, do you not even grasp simple diagrams of molecules? What are you? 14?
dont you think if they KNEW the exact structure of natural melanin...they would be injecting that instead of SYNTHETIC Melanotan[/quote]
No, because any idiot can figure out that extracting and purifying natural melanin is going to be more expensive then making a synthetic.
lol...yea...i see why he thinks its pseudoscience
Because its sole advocate on this forum is an illiterate, uneducated racist adolescent? Maybe. ::)
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Nature of the Research Opportunity:
Mitochondrial dysfunction is associated with numerous chronic diseases including Type II diabetes, metabolic syndrome, neurodegenerative diseases, blindness, cardiovascular disease, and cancer. Although it is known that mitochondria are a target for numerous environmental compounds, including pesticides, bacterial and fungal toxins, and multiple industrial chemicals, there are only a few well-studied links between disease and mitochondrial dysfunction resulting from environmental exposures.
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/rfa-files/RFA-ES-11-007.html
See where it says "toxins" after "fungus"? That's important.
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not understanding where the confusions is...the main reason why a person will get skin cancer..is because when sun hits the skin..the melanocytes are instructing them to produce melanin (for protection)...this would be OK in someone what is SUPPOSE to produce melanin
someone who "tans" might confuse this w/ the protective properties of melanin..in actually they ARE suffering cellular damage and HOW this is manifested depends on the "rate" of dna repair...which is already limited..cos they are working w/ a very small amt of the genome (mitrochondria dna) to repair it w/
someone who is SUPPOSE to produce melanin is working w/ MORE of the genome (nuclear dna)..so they dont NEED to be worried w/ dna repair...or thymine dimmers
So bacteria and blacks are equally evolved? I'd say that's a fair assessment.
Smh Raist. how r u gonna do me like that son?
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Where are your source for your assertions about melanin?
all through this topic...and im gettin kind of sick of repeating the same thing over and over
So you have no actual, medical sources? Good to know.
that's the gist of it. She seems to think that Melanin=Chlorophyll, and that black people have more subcutaneous melanin than whites
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im STILL not understanding where the confusion stems
ok
...mitochondria are responsible for converting the energy...aerobically in the presence of O2...this ISNT good, not only does it mean that they came from bacteria...it also means that youre going to have cellular division that results in premature aging and DAMAGE...these MUTATIONS add up over ones lifetime and are eventually passed on
UNclear..i mean NUclear DNA on the otherhand is diffrent it houses our genetic info, and the VERY IMPORTANT top secret DNA repair mechanisms lie here..in the UNclear..i mean NUclear dna
when mtDNA eve mated w/ that thing...(and know that it took THOUSANDS of years to crack the black womans egg), it left the mixed races and eventually the white man w/ a HUGE ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM...fungus, bacteria...and viruses on the mitochondria..
http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/rfa-files/RFA-ES-11-007.html
protip: modern black people are necessarily as close to mtDNA eve as white people. FACT
ive told you several time that melanogenesis STARTS in the pititutary gland...one of
the OTHER HORMONES you left out was Alpha Melanocyte-Stimulating Hormone (?-MSH)..doe doe
and i suggest you look up the mitochondrial dysfunction they are talking about...theyre talking about MITOCHONDRIAL DNA and FUNGUS
In addition to their central role in cellular bioenergetics, mitochondria also play a major role in apoptosis, control of cytosolic calcium concentrations, and metabolic cell signaling. Through normal energy production by oxidative phosphorylation and ATP generation via the electron transport chain, mitochondria proteins and mtDNA are vulnerable to damage from reactive oxygen species (ROS). Mitochondria are also susceptible to damage from numerous natural and synthetic compounds that exert their toxicity by affecting the integrity of mtDNA, inhibiting complexes in the electron transport chain, altering membrane potential, affecting calcium homeostasis, and by modulating induction of apoptosis. Mitochondrial dysfunction is associated with numerous chronic diseases, and may reflect, in part, the vulnerability of mitochondria to environmental influences.
lol..and thats the CHEMICAL structure NOT the exact molecular structure
Melanin is a natural pigment produced within organelles, melanosomes, located in melanocytes. Biological functions of melanosomes are often attributed to the unique chemical properties of the melanins they contain; however, the molecular structure of melanins, the mechanism by which the pigment is produced, and how the pigment is organized within the melanosome remains to be fully understood.
Current challenges in understanding melanogenesis: bridging chemistry, biological control, morphology, and function.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19627559[/s
No. do you understand how thymine dimers work?
Why is it so hard to understand that black people=white people, because variation between the man made races is ridiculously low. why is equality so hard to accept?
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.....you guys wont ever undrstand ANYTHING until you first understand the FUNDAMENTALS!!!!
melanogenesis starts in the CNS ...the mind, BRAIN w/ a hormone called
Alpha Melanocyte-Stimulating Hormone not the skin.
..if anyone can provide evidence that MSH is secreted from the skin...then as i said b4...i will forever leave and NEVER return...lol
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lol.... that was 95% of the neanderthals dna that was FUNGUS AND BACTERIA by the way
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/06/AR2010050604423.html
The researchers removed half a gram of bone powder with a dental drill. More than 95 percent of the DNA in the sample belonged to bacteria and fungi, not to the Neanderthals. The scientists used a variety of techniques to eliminate the microbial DNA, recover the non-microbial DNA through polymerase chain reaction amplification, and assure themselves they had Neanderthal material and not modern human contaminants.
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Okay, first, the central nervous system is not just the brain. It includes the spine as well. Second, does it matter where melanogenesis starts? Unless you can conclusively prove that melanin makes you better at anything other than having dark skin, there is no argument for your part.
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not understanding where the confusions is...the main reason why a person will get skin cancer..is because when sun hits the skin..the melanocytes are instructing them to produce melanin (for protection)...this would be OK in someone what is SUPPOSE to produce melanin
someone who "tans" might confuse this w/ the protective properties of melanin..in actually they ARE suffering cellular damage and HOW this is manifested depends on the "rate" of dna repair...which is already limited..cos they are working w/ a very small amt of the genome (mitrochondria dna) to repair it w/
someone who is SUPPOSE to produce melanin is working w/ MORE of the genome (nuclear dna)..so they dont NEED to be worried w/ dna repair...or thymine dimmers
So bacteria and blacks are equally evolved? I'd say that's a fair assessment.
Smh Raist. how r u gonna do me like that son?
Muur said it, I don't believe in that racist crap. Talk to them.
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.....you guys wont ever undrstand ANYTHING until you first understand the FUNDAMENTALS!!!!
melanogenesis starts in the CNS ...the mind, BRAIN w/ a hormone called
Alpha Melanocyte-Stimulating Hormone not the skin.
..if anyone can provide evidence that MSH is secreted from the skin...then as i said b4...i will forever leave and NEVER return...lol
No it doesn't.
Melanocytes are melanin-producing cells located in the bottom layer (the stratum basale) of the skin's epidermis, the middle layer of the eye the inner earmeninges bones and heart. Melanin is a pigment which is primarily responsible for the color of skin.
Through a process called melanogenesis, these cells produce melanin, which is a pigment found in the skin, eyes, and hair. This melanogenesis leads to a long lasting tan which is in contrast to the tan that originates from oxidation of already existing melanin.
(http://www.skinmed.co.uk/images/Thiospot/melanogenesis%20lrg.jpg)
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.....you guys wont ever undrstand ANYTHING until you first understand the FUNDAMENTALS!!!!
melanogenesis starts in the CNS ...the mind, BRAIN w/ a hormone called
Alpha Melanocyte-Stimulating Hormone not the skin.
..if anyone can provide evidence that MSH is secreted from the skin...then as i said b4...i will forever leave and NEVER return...lol
MSH is not a part of the biosynthesis of melanin, it merely stimulates it. Do you think breast milk starts in the brain too?
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lol.... that was 95% of the neanderthals dna that was FUNGUS AND BACTERIA by the way
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/06/AR2010050604423.html
The researchers removed half a gram of bone powder with a dental drill. More than 95 percent of the DNA in the sample belonged to bacteria and fungi, not to the Neanderthals. The scientists used a variety of techniques to eliminate the microbial DNA, recover the non-microbial DNA through polymerase chain reaction amplification, and assure themselves they had Neanderthal material and not modern human contaminants.
What the hell is your problem with fungus and bacteria?
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Dear Pete,
how are thing goin?
lol...your lack of knowledge on a topic that YOU started is amusing!!!
i didnt say anything about the biosynthesis of melanin...i asked you WHERE the process started
where is your evidence that MSH is secreted in the skin???
Well let me be MOOR specific...cos i see yourre trying to be smart and fresh.
WHERE does this stimulation of MSH begin??
remember kids...stimulation is code for START
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lol.... that was 95% of the neanderthals dna that was FUNGUS AND BACTERIA by the way
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/06/AR2010050604423.html
The researchers removed half a gram of bone powder with a dental drill. More than 95 percent of the DNA in the sample belonged to bacteria and fungi, not to the Neanderthals. The scientists used a variety of techniques to eliminate the microbial DNA, recover the non-microbial DNA through polymerase chain reaction amplification, and assure themselves they had Neanderthal material and not modern human contaminants.
What the hell is your problem with fungus and bacteria?
if you cant understand the FUNDAMENTALS of where the production of melanin STARTS....then ur not going to be able understand this
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remember kids...stimulation is code for START
I always thought it was ATG
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if you cant understand the FUNDAMENTALS of where the production of melanin STARTS....then ur not going to be able understand this
That makes no sense at all.
My question stands.
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.....you guys wont ever undrstand ANYTHING until you first understand the FUNDAMENTALS!!!!
melanogenesis starts in the CNS ...the mind, BRAIN w/ a hormone called
Alpha Melanocyte-Stimulating Hormone not the skin.
..if anyone can provide evidence that MSH is secreted from the skin...then as i said b4...i will forever leave and NEVER return...lol
No it doesn't.
Melanocytes are melanin-producing cells located in the bottom layer (the stratum basale) of the skin's epidermis, the middle layer of the eye the inner earmeninges bones and heart. Melanin is a pigment which is primarily responsible for the color of skin.
Through a process called melanogenesis, these cells produce melanin, which is a pigment found in the skin, eyes, and hair. This melanogenesis leads to a long lasting tan which is in contrast to the tan that originates from oxidation of already existing melanin.
(http://www.skinmed.co.uk/images/Thiospot/melanogenesis%20lrg.jpg)
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lol.... that was 95% of the neanderthals dna that was FUNGUS AND BACTERIA by the way
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/06/AR2010050604423.html
The researchers removed half a gram of bone powder with a dental drill. More than 95 percent of the DNA in the sample belonged to bacteria and fungi, not to the Neanderthals. The scientists used a variety of techniques to eliminate the microbial DNA, recover the non-microbial DNA through polymerase chain reaction amplification, and assure themselves they had Neanderthal material and not modern human contaminants.
What the hell is your problem with fungus and bacteria?
if you cant understand the FUNDAMENTALS of where the production of melanin STARTS....then ur not going to be able understand this
The I suppose it would start with the release of melanocyte stimulating hormone releasing hormone(MSH-RH), which is created and released from the hypothalamus, which is part of the endocrine system. So are you saying that melanin production is controlled by the endocrine system and not the central nervous system?
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lol.... that was 95% of the neanderthals dna that was FUNGUS AND BACTERIA by the way
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/06/AR2010050604423.html
The researchers removed half a gram of bone powder with a dental drill. More than 95 percent of the DNA in the sample belonged to bacteria and fungi, not to the Neanderthals. The scientists used a variety of techniques to eliminate the microbial DNA, recover the non-microbial DNA through polymerase chain reaction amplification, and assure themselves they had Neanderthal material and not modern human contaminants.
What the hell is your problem with fungus and bacteria?
if you cant understand the FUNDAMENTALS of where the production of melanin STARTS....then ur not going to be able understand this
The I suppose it would start with the release of melanocyte stimulating hormone releasing hormone(MSH-RH), which is created and released from the hypothalamus, which is part of the endocrine system. So are you saying that melanin production is controlled by the endocrine system and not the central nervous system?
hypothalmus??...NEVER
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lol.... that was 95% of the neanderthals dna that was FUNGUS AND BACTERIA by the way
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/06/AR2010050604423.html
The researchers removed half a gram of bone powder with a dental drill. More than 95 percent of the DNA in the sample belonged to bacteria and fungi, not to the Neanderthals. The scientists used a variety of techniques to eliminate the microbial DNA, recover the non-microbial DNA through polymerase chain reaction amplification, and assure themselves they had Neanderthal material and not modern human contaminants.
Reading comp is needed. they are saying that 95% of the genetic material was from gunk found on the site of the bone, and did not belong to the neanderthals.
And who said melanin was only started by one thing?
levels of the hormones varied with people of different skin tones, and the hormone is not what causes tanning.
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.....you guys wont ever undrstand ANYTHING until you first understand the FUNDAMENTALS!!!!
melanogenesis starts in the CNS ...the mind, BRAIN w/ a hormone called
Alpha Melanocyte-Stimulating Hormone not the skin.
..if anyone can provide evidence that MSH is secreted from the skin...then as i said b4...i will forever leave and NEVER return...lol
No it doesn't.
Melanocytes are melanin-producing cells located in the bottom layer (the stratum basale) of the skin's epidermis, the middle layer of the eye the inner earmeninges bones and heart. Melanin is a pigment which is primarily responsible for the color of skin.
Through a process called melanogenesis, these cells produce melanin, which is a pigment found in the skin, eyes, and hair. This melanogenesis leads to a long lasting tan which is in contrast to the tan that originates from oxidation of already existing melanin.
(http://www.skinmed.co.uk/images/Thiospot/melanogenesis%20lrg.jpg)
flawless victory.
But muur undoubtedly will continue to ignore these points with unrelated counter points.
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lol.... that was 95% of the neanderthals dna that was FUNGUS AND BACTERIA by the way
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/06/AR2010050604423.html
The researchers removed half a gram of bone powder with a dental drill. More than 95 percent of the DNA in the sample belonged to bacteria and fungi, not to the Neanderthals. The scientists used a variety of techniques to eliminate the microbial DNA, recover the non-microbial DNA through polymerase chain reaction amplification, and assure themselves they had Neanderthal material and not modern human contaminants.
What the hell is your problem with fungus and bacteria?
if you cant understand the FUNDAMENTALS of where the production of melanin STARTS....then ur not going to be able understand this
The I suppose it would start with the release of melanocyte stimulating hormone releasing hormone(MSH-RH), which is created and released from the hypothalamus, which is part of the endocrine system. So are you saying that melanin production is controlled by the endocrine system and not the central nervous system?
hypothalmus??...NEVER
Then where do you propose that melanodyce stimulating hormone releasing hormone (MSH-RH), the hormone which causes the release of MSH, is produced and released then if not the hypothalamus?
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1)melanogenesis doesnt start w/ an ENZYME...it starts w/ a HORMONE called MSH...sooo i choose to ignore anyone who cant comprehend that...HORMONES send out messeges...Enzymes cant do this
its VERY important you understand that
and...there is no such thing as "junk" DNA (if that was what u were trying to say)...and nooo thats NOT what theyre saying
last i checked...fungus was between the plant and animal kingdom sooo why dont you FIRST learn how fungus grows (what type of energy) it needs..then you MIGHT understand the link between mtDNA eve, FUNGUS, MELANIN, LIGHT, HEAT, CARBON, ENERGY... jus to name a few
and HOW someone that once was able to produce melanin in mass abundance..could eventually LOSE that ability
BUT your NEVER going to understand if you cant understand the FUNDAMENTALS of melanogenesis
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...and as ive said the person who STARTED this topic should know and understand where this process starts b4 he opened it...i see he STILL hasnt provided evidence for that process starting in the skin???
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.....you guys wont ever undrstand ANYTHING until you first understand the FUNDAMENTALS!!!!
melanogenesis starts in the CNS ...the mind, BRAIN w/ a hormone called
Alpha Melanocyte-Stimulating Hormone not the skin.
..if anyone can provide evidence that MSH is secreted from the skin...then as i said b4...i will forever leave and NEVER return...lol
No it doesn't.
Melanocytes are melanin-producing cells located in the bottom layer (the stratum basale) of the skin's epidermis, the middle layer of the eye the inner earmeninges bones and heart. Melanin is a pigment which is primarily responsible for the color of skin.
Through a process called melanogenesis, these cells produce melanin, which is a pigment found in the skin, eyes, and hair. This melanogenesis leads to a long lasting tan which is in contrast to the tan that originates from oxidation of already existing melanin.
(http://www.skinmed.co.uk/images/Thiospot/melanogenesis%20lrg.jpg)
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no..your not listening..what ur providing isnt evidence as to WHERE MSH is released...as a matter of fact...lol this mentions nOTHING about MSH at all...
what this is..is the PATHWAY by which it takes...MSH stimulates the enzyme tyrosine
nice try but FAIL
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no..your not listening..what ur providing isnt evidence as to WHERE MSH is released...as a matter of fact...lol this mentions nOTHING about MSH at all...
what this is..is the PATHWAY by which it takes...MSH stimulates the enzyme tyrosine
nice try but FAIL
Completely irrelevant. Hormones can be produced in glands in the head that stimulate melanocytes to perform melanogensis to produce melanin.
Nothing special about that. It is already proven how melanogensis works. Melanogensis does not start in the brain, it starts (by getting stimulated) in a gland. But the sight where melanogenisis takes place is in the skin.
FAIL!
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lol dude...i like you...im going to leave you alone..cos is see that you obviously dont know what the hell your talking about
hint: HORMONES do the regulating...not enzymes
melelonogenesis STARTS w/ a HORMONE called Alpha Melanocyte-Stimulating Hormone
...in the PITUITARY gland...in the BRAIN (CNS) and a critical part HOW we deal w/ our environment
lets look at the etimology....ALPHA = first...MOST significant
and denotes its place as being FIRST on the scene
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lol dude...i like you...im going to leave you alone..cos is see that you obviously dont know what the hell your talking about
hint: HORMONES do the regulating...not enzymes
melelonogenesis STARTS w/ a HORMONE called Alpha Melanocyte-Stimulating Hormone
...in the PITUITARY gland...in the BRAIN (CNS) and a critical part HOW we deal w/ our environment
lets look at the etimology....ALPHA = first...MOST significant
and denotes its place as being FIRST on the scene
If that's your way of thinking, then you haven't addressed the fact that MSH is regulated by MSH-RH and MSH-RIH, both of which are produced and controlled by the endocrine system.
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the Pituitary IS part of the endo system doe doe
and ONCE AGAIN...i asked WHERE melanogenesis started...NOT anything about its releasing factor
...sooo maybe someone should tell pete whats going on...he thinks melanogenesis starts in the skin :-[
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and ONCE AGAIN...i asked WHERE melanogenesis started...NOT anything about its releasing factor
And melanogenesis starts IN THE SKIN. Before that, all there is are a bunch off hormones flying around your body.
You just contradicted YOURSELF. MSH is a RELEASING FACTOR for melanogenesis. If you are NOT talking about releasing factors, do not talk about MSH.
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Good job, Englsh. You've now started emulating your opponent for maximum lulz! This tactic should prove as utterly useless as common sense has. Over, and over again.
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Good job, Englsh. You've now started emulating your opponent for maximum lulz! This tactic should prove as utterly useless as common sense has. Over, and over again.
??? I thought EVERYONE spoke like THIS....
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ok kids...
(http://www.as.miami.edu/chemistry/2086/Chap18/New-Chap18-Part1-2006_2_files/image002.jpg)
for those of us who have taken A&P...
1) locate the PITUITARY GLAND and list its hormones
2) The PITUITARY GLAND is located where
a. leg
b. brain
c. skin
....As ive said b4...FUNDAMENTALS...us ur head
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and ONCE AGAIN...i asked WHERE melanogenesis started...NOT anything about its releasing factor
And melanogenesis starts IN THE SKIN. Before that, all there is are a bunch off hormones flying around your body.
You just contradicted YOURSELF. MSH is a RELEASING FACTOR for melanogenesis. If you are NOT talking about releasing factors, do not talk about MSH.
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and ONCE AGAIN...i asked WHERE melanogenesis started...NOT anything about its releasing factor
And melanogenesis starts IN THE SKIN. Before that, all there is are a bunch off hormones flying around your body.
You just contradicted YOURSELF. MSH is a RELEASING FACTOR for melanogenesis. If you are NOT talking about releasing factors, do not talk about MSH.
dude..ur lil diagram doesnt even mention MSH at all...so please take a seat because ur embarassin yourself
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and ONCE AGAIN...i asked WHERE melanogenesis started...NOT anything about its releasing factor
And melanogenesis starts IN THE SKIN. Before that, all there is are a bunch off hormones flying around your body.
You just contradicted YOURSELF. MSH is a RELEASING FACTOR for melanogenesis. If you are NOT talking about releasing factors, do not talk about MSH.
dude..ur lil diagram doesnt even mention MSH at all...so please take a seat because ur embarassin yourself
MSH is irrelevant to how melanin is chemically made. Please take a chemistry class.
MSH only tells melanocytes when to start making melanin. It doesn't actually take part in the making of it.
FAIL!
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wow...you are really dumb
did i say anything about MSH contributing to actual chemical production of melanin??
nooo...i asked WHERE it was made. i already know but some ppl seem to think its made in the skin
yes...MSH tells the melanocytes when to start making melanin. AND in proper functioning skin shouls go like this
when sun hits the skin
pituitary (which is in the BRAIN) sends out MSH
chemical reactions start melanogenesis
receptors on melanocyte (which ALSO has MSH) recieves messege to make melanin for protection
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dont feel bad...science had it WRONG too
the problem w/ thinking melanogenesis STARTS in the skin...is that it doesnt
MELANOTANS main ingredient is MSH...which provides a temporary tan in its users
its NOT permanent cos MELANOGENESIS STARTS IN THE BRAIN
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It's like saying two people are having sex when they first met, just because they're feeling lust.
wow...you are really dumb
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1)melanogenesis doesnt start w/ an ENZYME...it starts w/ a HORMONE called MSH...sooo i choose to ignore anyone who cant comprehend that...HORMONES send out messeges...Enzymes cant do this
its VERY important you understand that
and...there is no such thing as "junk" DNA (if that was what u were trying to say)...and nooo thats NOT what theyre saying
last i checked...fungus was between the plant and animal kingdom sooo why dont you FIRST learn how fungus grows (what type of energy) it needs..then you MIGHT understand the link between mtDNA eve, FUNGUS, MELANIN, LIGHT, HEAT, CARBON, ENERGY... jus to name a few
and HOW someone that once was able to produce melanin in mass abundance..could eventually LOSE that ability
BUT your NEVER going to understand if you cant understand the FUNDAMENTALS of melanogenesis
junk DNA, is the term for Base Pairs that never ever code for proteins, and have no effect on anything
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Again muur. The production of melanin starts for different reasons, and such has more than one root cause.
hormones is just one of them. Stuff like tanning is caused by UV rays
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dont feel bad...science had it WRONG too
the problem w/ thinking melanogenesis STARTS in the skin...is that it doesnt
MELANOTANS main ingredient is MSH...which provides a temporary tan in its users
its NOT permanent cos MELANOGENESIS STARTS IN THE BRAIN
Incorrect sir. If you want to be pedantic about where it starts, it starts in the damaged skin. This tips the brain off to release a hormone. Then the skin makes melanin. The hormone is not a step in making melanin, it is simply a command to make melanin.
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wrong again...melanogenesis starts in the BRAIN...if it didnt...everybody would look like this
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9xsnZ-wNWqY/S85S1f967fI/AAAAAAAABCo/JbfUzEC8GKA/s1600/4892_124181037813_522002813_3363681_2948731_n.jpg)
wow..she better make SURE she enough vials..cos when she runs out she goin to be pale as shit
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thats MELANOTAN in action...its TEMPORARY...not going to last because her BRAIN hasnt sent out instruction. she recieved INJECTIONS of MSH the melanocytes (in her SKIN) recieved the messege from this HORMONE to start the process..
(http://melanotan.org/yabbfiles/Attachments/anigifwolfi.gif)
FUNDAMENTALS yaw
for me to speak on matters of mtDNA eve.."junk" UNclear..i mean NUclear DNA would be a waste of my time when you guys cant even understand melanogenesis
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wrong again...melanogenesis starts in the BRAIN...if it didnt...everybody would look like this
Why would everyone look like that if it didn't start in the brain?
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..omg because..they took an injection (MSH) UNDER the skin where the melanocytes are..this stimulates the process that NaTURALLY occurs in "blacks"..because the process is suppose to start in the brain NOT the skin..this is why its TEMPORARY in whites who "tan"
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..omg because..they took an injection (MSH) UNDER the skin where the melanocytes are..this stimulates the process that NaTURALLY occurs in "blacks"..because the process is suppose to start in the brain NOT the skin..this is why its TEMPORARY in whites who "tan"
well duh, hormones only last for hours at best. But you successfully proved the process is done in the skin.
Good job.
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ANOTHER VICTORY FOR FLAT EARTH!!!
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Muur, since you are too stupid to express yourself properly I will do it for you.
You are trying to claim that the brain decides whether we are permanently black or white.
It is actually your DNA, (you don't have to specify nuclear DNA, it is assumed. I know that you like to bring it up a lot, it is probably a matter of pride that you know even so little about biology) that decides how much hormone your brain will release.
Oh, fun fact. MSH isn't extracted from black's genitals. There is as synthetic version of it that causes enhanced libido, and arousal in the genital area. Good job getting that ass backward. Finally as MSH isn't melanin its effects in no way contribute to your theory. Good day sir.
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well..answer this question...
what happens when these ppl STOP taking Melanotan?
WHY dont NATURALLY darkskinned ppl have to take melanotan?
http://www.buy-melanotan2.com/index.php?route=information/information&information_id=6
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well..answer this question...
what happens when these ppl STOP taking Melanotan?
WHY dont NATURALLY darkskinned ppl have to take melanotan?
http://www.buy-melanotan2.com/index.php?route=information/information&information_id=6
MSH causes you to produce more melanin for the period of time it is in your system. This is fact and no one is debating it.
What is your point?
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did i say anything about MSH being melanin??
answer my questions
there is ALOT that you dont know..and yo wont understand till you understand the fundamentals
the ONLY reason you guys have melanocytes is because is your ORIGINAL ancestor gave them to you...the pathway as to which NORMAL melanogenesis doesnt work..has been disrupted...
another question..
HOW do you think someone who once had the ability to produce MASS amounts of melanin...could LOSE that ability?
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well duh, hormones only last for hours at best. But you successfully proved the process is done in the skin.
Good job.
are you retarded...then WHY havent I lost my pigment
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The human body recreates hormones according to the genetic code of the body's DNA.
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well duh, hormones only last for hours at best. But you successfully proved the process is done in the skin.
Good job.
are you retarded...then WHY havent I lost my pigment
Your body wants you to be vitamin-D deficient, while mine has adapted to keep me as healthy as possible.
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soo...nature would choose vit D over skin cancer? i dont think so
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_105542.html
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soo...nature would choose vit D over skin cancer? i dont think so
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_105542.html
We've been over this before, vitamin d definiency is more likely to cause someone to die before they have a chance to have children than skin cancer. Most cases of skin cancer don't occur until at least a person is in their 30s, whereas vitamin d deficiency can cause health problems for children of all ages.
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well if thats the case...then we should ALL be the picture of health...but we arent, and the VIT D theory is an illusion. the fact is..is that maybe we need to stop using the"one size fits all" mentality. white think jus because theyre deficient...we ALL are.
Almost 7 percent of the white patients were vitamin D-deficient, compared with more than 32 percent of the black participants. Whites with too little Vitamin D had twice the risk of dying from stroke as whites with adequate levels of the vitamin
The findings held up even after accounting for a host of socioeconomic and stroke risk factors, such as a history of diabetes, high blood pressure, cholesterol, body-mass index, smoking, physical activity and/or alcohol use.
Blacks could have a natural resistance to the negative effects of vitamin D deficiency, Michos said. This could explain why blacks have fewer bone fractures than whites, despite the higher incidence of low vitamin D levels, Michos added.
SOURCE: American Heart Association, Nov. 14, 2010, news release
stop using Vit D as an excuse
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did i say anything about MSH being melanin??
answer my questions
there is ALOT that you dont know..and yo wont understand till you understand the fundamentals
the ONLY reason you guys have melanocytes is because is your ORIGINAL ancestor gave them to you...the pathway as to which NORMAL melanogenesis doesnt work..has been disrupted...
another question..
HOW do you think someone who once had the ability to produce MASS amounts of melanin...could LOSE that ability?
im still waiting
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Because they lived in a climate that did not require large amounts of melanin?
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did i say anything about MSH being melanin??
answer my questions
there is ALOT that you dont know..and yo wont understand till you understand the fundamentals
the ONLY reason you guys have melanocytes is because is your ORIGINAL ancestor gave them to you...the pathway as to which NORMAL melanogenesis doesnt work..has been disrupted...
another question.
HOW do you think someone who once had the ability to produce MASS amounts of melanin...could LOSE that ability?
what. do you mean how could someone who's ancestors had the ability, could not?
umm. by genetic mutation of exactly one base pair
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another question..
HOW do you think someone who once had the ability to produce MASS amounts of melanin...could LOSE that ability?
Through adaptation. The farther people live from the equator, the fairer skin they are. This is no coincidence. More melanin in your skin means you will absorb less vitamin d. When you are at the equator and getting direct sunlight, this isn't an issue as there is loads of sunlight to be absorbed. However, the farther you move away, the less intense the sun is, meaning you need less melanin in your skin to get the appropriate amount of vitamin d.
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another question..
HOW do you think someone who once had the ability to produce MASS amounts of melanin...could LOSE that ability?
Through adaptation. The farther people live from the equator, the fairer skin they are. This is no coincidence. More melanin in your skin means you will absorb less vitamin d. When you are at the equator and getting direct sunlight, this isn't an issue as there is loads of sunlight to be absorbed. However, the farther you move away, the less intense the sun is, meaning you need less melanin in your skin to get the appropriate amount of vitamin d.
This.
Somewhere along the line one person had a mutation that caused light skin, and they survived, and their children had a better chance of survival than the others
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did i say anything about MSH being melanin??
answer my questions
there is ALOT that you dont know..and yo wont understand till you understand the fundamentals
the ONLY reason you guys have melanocytes is because is your ORIGINAL ancestor gave them to you...the pathway as to which NORMAL melanogenesis doesnt work..has been disrupted...
another question..
HOW do you think someone who once had the ability to produce MASS amounts of melanin...could LOSE that ability?
Without serious things happening, they couldn't.
They may stop making it, but they don't lose the ability to.
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Without serious things happening, they couldn't.
They may stop making it, but they don't lose the ability to.
This is a good point.
Stop making melanin != losing the ability to make melanin.
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dont think i forgot that noone has answered the original question
no the original woman didnt lose her pigment do to...the ability to absorb vit D this is the ONLY mute argument you have and its VERY weak...lol you guys are missing the point..
genetically..we are diffrent...you have no father..you are the missing link...lol
you are an incomplete hybrid grafted race who operates OUTSIDE of nature.
ur roots can be traced to the original black woman (mtDNA eve)...w/ nooo black father soo HOW did you get here
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dont think i forgot that noone has answered the original question
no the original woman didnt lose her pigment do to...the ability to absorb vit D this is the ONLY mute argument you have and its VERY weak...lol you guys are missing the point..
genetically..we are diffrent...you have no father..you are the missing link...lol
you are an incomplete hybrid grafted race who operates OUTSIDE of nature.
ur roots can be traced to the original black woman (mtDNA eve)...w/ nooo black father soo HOW did you get here
You are a funny person.
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dont think i forgot that noone has answered the original question
no the original woman didnt lose her pigment do to...the ability to absorb vit D this is the ONLY mute argument you have and its VERY weak...lol you guys are missing the point..
genetically..we are diffrent...you have no father..you are the missing link...lol
you are an incomplete hybrid grafted race who operates OUTSIDE of nature.
ur roots can be traced to the original black woman (mtDNA eve)...w/ nooo black father soo HOW did you get here
You are a funny person.
and im still laughin...
WHERE did u come from HOW the hell did u get here w/ no father?
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and im still laughin...
WHERE did u come from HOW the hell did u get here w/ no father?
I don't know, but it probably had something to do with having less melanin than you or something.
Or maybe I'm Jesus, and it was immaculate conception.
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dont think i forgot that noone has answered the original question
Because unlike you, the rest of us have lives and do things on the weekend: going places, getting drunk, working out, having sex, partying, etc. etc. etc.
no the original woman didnt lose her pigment do to...the ability to absorb vit D this is the ONLY mute argument you have and its VERY weak...lol you guys are missing the point..
...."absorb vit(sic) D" huh? WTF are you talking about?
genetically..we are diffrent...
Yes, by about .1%
you have no father..you are the missing link...lol
Are you on something? I have a father, because I have a Y Chromosome. Have you had sex ed at school yet?
you are an incomplete hybrid grafted race who operates OUTSIDE of nature.
Here we go with the insane racist ramblings again.
ur roots can be traced to the original black woman (mtDNA eve)...w/ nooo black father soo HOW did you get here
Well, by your logic, mitochondrial Eve would have had to reproduced asexually, via clonal division or something, which would make white people clones of black mitochondrial Eve. Can you see the terminal logic fail in what you are saying yet?
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"Are you on something? I have a father, because I have a Y Chromosome. Have you had sex ed at school yet?"
...i can GUARANTEE you that you didnt get ur Y from the black male...meaning it didnt ORIGINATE in africa...so where did it come from???
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"Are you on something? I have a father, because I have a Y Chromosome. Have you had sex ed at school yet?"
...i can GUARANTEE you that you didnt get ur Y from the black male...
That's rather crazy, you have no idea what ethnicity I am. Could I not be an African American male who is offended by your sick racism?
meaning it didnt ORIGINATE in africa...so where did it come from???
Genetics says Africa. ::)
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1469-1809.2001.6510043.x/abstract (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1469-1809.2001.6510043.x/abstract)
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Is it racist to think that it's funny how muur is the only person who claims to be of African descent, and the only person who doesn't know how to spell?
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dont think i forgot that noone has answered the original question
no the original woman didnt lose her pigment do to...the ability to absorb vit D this is the ONLY mute argument you have and its VERY weak...lol you guys are missing the point..
genetically..we are diffrent...you have no father..you are the missing link...lol
you are an incomplete hybrid grafted race who operates OUTSIDE of nature.
ur roots can be traced to the original black woman (mtDNA eve)...w/ nooo black father soo HOW did you get here
Lol, you think we have no father because men can't pass their mitchondria on? Please learn basic biology.
I also am going to laugh at an african american insinuating that I have no father. Judging by the rates of single mother's raising kids in African Americans versus caucasians, you are much more likely to have no father.
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Are you on something? I have a father, because I have a Y Chromosome. Have you had sex ed at school yet?
wait wut? Girls don't have a father?
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noo doe doe...i say u have no father cos you dont @ least one who originates from the ORIGINAL black man...lol no what you have is a hybrid mutant graaaafted Y that came and settled..in africa.
im speaking about the scientific evidence that coretates w/ what my ancestors say about u ppl
you ppl are babies to this planet..discovering things that were ALREADY here to begin w/. Weve been here loong enough to remember how we got here AND how you got here
that MAINLY deals w/ the diffrences in HOW we absorb our energy...since you CANT get away from that one simple, VERY important environmental fact
and i CANT even get into this until you understand that if you have to
inject a synthetic substance (MSH)
(http://lisaamariee91.blogg.no/images/467947-1-1249303439936-n400.jpg) to get what "black" ppl are able to obtain naturally...because the pathway as to which has been disrupted due to devolution and genetic manipulation..you are working on the OUTSIDE of nature..there is nothing evolution about pale skin..the only thing that is evolutionary about that is....aquiring the knowlege as to how to get it back...and its STILL incomplete cos melanogensis STARTS in the brain.
the CNS is the FIRST system the develop...moor specifically the pituitary along w/ the pineal...deal w/ HOW one is able to deal in NATURE...if that pathway is disrupted...ur screwed..evidenced by the fact that this chick has to bypass the brain to get jus a little bit of what she is suppose to have and be able to do NATURALLY
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Are you on something? I have a father, because I have a Y Chromosome. Have you had sex ed at school yet?
wait wut? Girls don't have a father?
No, but since I am not a girl, I thought I would use that example. If I was a girl, I'd say I knew I had a father because I had two X chromosomes.
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noo doe doe...i say u have no father cos you dont @ least one who originates from the ORIGINAL black man...lol no what you have is a hybrid mutant graaaafted Y that came and settled..in africa.
im speaking about the scientific evidence that coretates w/ what my ancestors say about u ppl
you ppl are babies to this planet..discovering things that were ALREADY here to begin w/. Weve been here loong enough to remember how we got here AND how you got here
that MAINLY deals w/ the diffrences in HOW we absorb our energy...since you CANT get away from that one simple, VERY important environmental fact
and i CANT even get into this until you understand that if you have to
inject a synthetic substance (MSH)
(http://lisaamariee91.blogg.no/images/467947-1-1249303439936-n400.jpg) to get what "black" ppl are able to obtain naturally...because the pathway as to which has been disrupted due to devolution and genetic manipulation..you are working on the OUTSIDE of nature..there is nothing evolution about pale skin..the only thing that is evolutionary about that is....aquiring the knowlege as to how to get it back...and its STILL incomplete cos melanogensis STARTS in the brain.
the CNS is the FIRST system the develop...moor specifically the pituitary along w/ the pineal...deal w/ HOW one is able to deal in NATURE...if that pathway is disrupted...ur screwed..evidenced by the fact that this chick has to bypass the brain to get jus a little bit of what she is suppose to have and be able to do NATURALLY
You forgot to link the abstracts for the peer-reviewed studies to back up that insane, misspelled, racist gibberish.
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(http://www.biol.sc.edu/courses/bio102/hypo.gif)
MSH is the hormone that originates in the BRAIN (pituitary) not the skin...MSH is what sets off melanogenesis in the skin and when the sun hits the skin provides an extra "TAN" in normal "black" ppl
if pathway has been DISRUPTED your skin burns, peels, reddens, you cant absorb the suns rays cos the color refracts and reflects the sun...you CANT use this form of energy AT ALL...even if you dont get skin cancer...the repair mechinism ALLOWS you to carry the mutations (that come when the sun hits you skin)...inyour system for long periods of time..and you pass these harmful mutations on to your offspring cos you LACK the genetic diversity (NUCLEAR) melanin to get rid of these mutations
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heres your peer reviewed article pete
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2773661/
More than 15 years ago, we have proposed that melanocytes are sensory and regulatory cells with computing capability, which transform external and/or internal signals/energy into organized regulatory network(s) for the maintenance of the cutaneous homeostasis. This concept is substantiated by accumulating evidence that melanocytes produce classical stress neurotransmitters, neuropeptides and hormones, express corresponding receptors and these processes are modified and/or regulated by ultraviolet radiation, biological factors or stress. Examples of the above are catecholamines, serotonin, N-acetyl-serotonin, melatonin, proopiomelanocortin-derived adrenocorticotropic hormone, ?-endorphin or melanocyte-stimulating hormone peptides, corticotropin releasing factor, related urocortins and corticosteroids including cortisol and corticosterone as well as their precursors. Furthermore, their production is not random, but hierarchical and follows the structures of classical neuroendocrine organizations such as hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis, serotoninergic, melatoninergic and catecholaminergic systems. An example of an intrinsic but overlooked neuroendocrine activity is production and secretion of melanogenesis intermediates including L-DOPA or its derivatives that could enter circulation and act on distant sites. Such capabilities have defined melanocytes as neuroendocrine cells that not only coordinate cutaneous but also can affect a global homeostasis.
if thats not enough dont act like u havent heard of melanotan.. http://melanotan-tanning.com/
u probably got a few bottles stashed somewhere right now
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..im out kids
luv u all
gotta go bye bye ;D
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I had actually never heard of melanotan until you linked to it a couple days ago.
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I wonder if muur is just a melanotan adbot.
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That'd be quite the elabourate adbot.
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I don't understand how modern biologists do not know this, but someone who can't spell does.
How did you come to these conclusions?
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Vindictus, muur isn't actually saying anything important. Currently she is claiming that melanogenesis begins in the brain because the hormone that regulates it is released in the brain.
This is tantamount to claiming a thermostat is what begins to heat your house. See what I"m saying?
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Mostly talking about this:
to get what "black" ppl are able to obtain naturally...because the pathway as to which has been disrupted due to devolution and genetic manipulation..you are working on the OUTSIDE of nature..there is nothing evolution about pale skin..the only thing that is evolutionary about that is....aquiring the knowlege as to how to get it back...and its STILL incomplete cos melanogensis STARTS in the brain.
the CNS is the FIRST system the develop...moor specifically the pituitary along w/ the pineal...deal w/ HOW one is able to deal in NATURE...if that pathway is disrupted...ur screwed..evidenced by the fact that this chick has to bypass the brain to get jus a little bit of what she is suppose to have and be able to do NATURALLY
im speaking about the scientific evidence that coretates w/ what my ancestors say about u ppl
Some linkage of that would also be nice.
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Mostly talking about this:
to get what "black" ppl are able to obtain naturally...because the pathway as to which has been disrupted due to devolution and genetic manipulation..you are working on the OUTSIDE of nature..there is nothing evolution about pale skin..the only thing that is evolutionary about that is....aquiring the knowlege as to how to get it back...and its STILL incomplete cos melanogensis STARTS in the brain.
the CNS is the FIRST system the develop...moor specifically the pituitary along w/ the pineal...deal w/ HOW one is able to deal in NATURE...if that pathway is disrupted...ur screwed..evidenced by the fact that this chick has to bypass the brain to get jus a little bit of what she is suppose to have and be able to do NATURALLY
im speaking about the scientific evidence that coretates w/ what my ancestors say about u ppl
Some linkage of that would also be nice.
She's not saying anything important, and she isn't really making any sense at all.
Basically "the central nervous system is the first system to develop, it contains the pineal gland and pituitary gland. Deal with how one is able to deal with nature. (this part makes no sense so I left it as is to make a point) Then to evidence this, she claims that we have screwed up neural pathways and that leads to us not making as much melanin. When in fact it is simply our dna tells our glands to produce less hormones. She then whines about the chick bypassing her glands and injecting the hormones. She then finishes by claiming that the chick is screwed for no apparent reason.
You have to realize that her statements are not bound within reality, and are simply a jumble of half composed thoughts and half understood science.
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..im out kids
luv u all
gotta go bye bye ;D
ANOTHER WIN FOR FE!!!
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..im out kids
luv u all
gotta go bye bye ;D
ANOTHER WIN FOR FE!!!
Another win for E.
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This makes me a sad panda.
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This makes me a sad panda.
:'(
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I miss muur.
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I miss muur.
I'm sure muur is too busy working on its Phd or something to talk to stupid white people.