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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Debate => Topic started by: tonka on July 15, 2009, 08:30:34 AM

Title: Seismic wave theory
Post by: tonka on July 15, 2009, 08:30:34 AM
i would like to hear the FE theory on seismic waves, and in turn tectonic plates (as i have read that at least a couple of you dont believe they exist)

the RE theory on waves is relatively simple, on a basic level atleast
this includes primary waves, secondary waves and surface waves

i am interested in how you would explain shadow zones and how particular waves can be detected from the direct other side of the world.
you might also note how these wave movements also show some pretty solid evidence of an outer core made of molten iron/nickel
Title: Re: Seismic wave theory
Post by: Joeval on July 17, 2009, 01:15:25 AM
I'll be keeping an eye on this one.  I think I've seen this asked before, but can't remember any answers.
Now then, as I am doing a degree in Geology, and as such have studied plate tectonics and seismic waves, I'll make sure to add my own opinion when I hear what FE'ers have to say.

Definitely expect a response from Raist on this one.
Title: Re: Seismic wave theory
Post by: Ski on July 17, 2009, 06:30:29 PM

The truth is scientists predict the density of the layers based on the seismographic evidence, not the other way around. They say "there must be a fluid layer here reflecting these waves" to make the data fit the RE model. Not the other way around.

It would be entirely possible to create a FE model for seismic wave propagation. In fact, the military uses a FE model as well as a more publicized RE model.

In addition to making assumptions about the density and composition of the earth's core despite barely having scratched it, they come up with nifty things like anistropic wave propagation to make the data fit the model -- again, not the other way around.
Title: Re: Seismic wave theory
Post by: Joeval on July 18, 2009, 12:13:13 AM
In FE, there'd be no (or few) problems with Surface, Love and Raleigh waves. It's the Primary and Secondary waves that give it trouble.

The density of the cores are the only major assumptions, but even then they have been calculated and peer reviewed, so are probably fairly close.  Once scientists figured out (don't ask me how...) the size/weight of the earth, they put in the densities of the crust and mantle (both of known density) and what was left must be the core.  Iron and Nickel seem to fit the data, and would also give the magnetic field around earth.

Seismics are often used to find densities of things, and map out locations when they are underground.  It's a well documented and reliable technique.  
Title: Re: Seismic wave theory
Post by: divito the truthist on July 18, 2009, 05:10:00 AM
I'm sure searching around could yield you some decent answers that people have had in the past. There was someone, although I can't recall who, that made a diagram to try and explain a possible way the waves would work.
Title: Re: Seismic wave theory
Post by: utilitarianism on July 18, 2009, 08:40:11 PM
what part doesn't work?
Title: Re: Seismic wave theory
Post by: Joeval on July 19, 2009, 05:46:55 PM
Largely, P and S wave shadow zones.  Plus, there may be problems with Surface wave propagation towards the South of a FE.  Also, the timing and recording of seismic waves might be a bit squiffy the further south you go.