The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: noninsaneperson on June 20, 2006, 01:27:49 PM
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This just seemed too easy to do, so I wanted to start some of my own theories.
#1: The moon is made of cheese:
This rich resource of food has been protected by the govt since the times of old when the Kings knew about it from cheesy meterorites which were made into instant grilled cheese sandwiches. We don't know why the govt still wants to keep this a secret, but they have gone to the trouble of covering the surface of the moon with a silty substance and killing all astronauts who have been there to retsore cheese-wiz supplies and replacing them with robots, one of who is OJ Simpson.
The proof for this theory is provided by Google Moon who are already in the know. :wink:
moon.google.com (just zoom in all the way and you'll see!)
#2: The sky is not really there:
The govt has set up a giant blue tarp approximately 3000 feet in the sky which was painted blue and they have a giant projector to create the illusion of clouds and sprinklers, and of course, a giant flashlight create the illusion of rain and sunshine. Birds were invesnted by the govt in 1392 AD to feed the workers who regularly clean the tarp and provide all the plumbing services needed to pull off this elaborate scheme by the govt. Why do they need to do this? it is unknown... :shock:
All those that are with me go to www.mooncheeseidiot.com or skypaper.com
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lol...these are great theories....both more believable than the led flashlight for a sun we got going on here.
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Man and people think Im wierd :lol:
Face it the world is pear shaped and distorts with the gravityof the sun moon and other planets . ahh yes other planets those OMG round things in the night sky .
Of course we could discuss the 27 planets that man kind has already destroyed in their cut and burn space travels over the millenniums . this pittiful planet has a few hundred years left before we totaly make it unlivable just as we did mars and others through out the galaxy .
Oops I keep forgetting this is a flat earth site where people prefer to live in two demensions rather than three or prehaps its actually too demented.
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insane person,
New theories are usually false. The theory that the world is a ball is new compared with the old and original fact that it is flat. So you have added your new theory along with the theory that the earth is a globe.
By the way, I am NOT with you as your website is boring.
- Dionysios
The 'theory' that Lightning isn't the work of God is new compared to what people thought for thousands of years.
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insane person,
New theories are usually false. The theory that the world is a ball is new compared with the old and original fact that it is flat. So you have added your new theory along with the theory that the earth is a globe.
By the way, I am NOT with you as your website is boring.
- Dionysios
Actually, you've got it in reverse Dionysios, as time goes by, we are continually progressing in our ability to understand and explain the natural world. The rest of the world is enjoying the fruits of scientific advancement and people are enjoying fruits of these advancements in seeing the complicated workings of the universe. This "idea" of FE is thousands of years old and was disproven a long time ago at the cost of people's lives. I guess FE can be likened to racism where certain people will try to drag their feet on the vehicle of progress in an attempt to keep a stranglehold on certain beliefs, this one appears to be religion. Why was the govt. so bent on making everyone think the world was flat back then, but now wants you to thinks it's spherical?
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insane person,
New theories are usually false. The theory that the world is a ball is new compared with the old and original fact that it is flat. So you have added your new theory along with the theory that the earth is a globe.
By the way, I am NOT with you as your website is boring.
- Dionysios
The 'theory' that Lightning isn't the work of God is new compared to what people thought for thousands of years.
HAHAHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH
That is your basis of debate?
Oh my! That is just too comical.
I don't know if this site is really a joke or not, or some debate forum for fun, but either way, the way people put their point across here is absolutely idiotic.
You have some nut jobs who try to prove, through scientific evidence that the world is flat, then they start saying about how the "new" theory of the world is an oblate sphroid (not a sphere you twats) so it's wrong, yet they fail to realize that the men who thought the world was flat had little to no scientific knowledge.
If you want to debate that the world is flat, please don't bring science into it, because science is the reason why we don't think idiotic things anymore as a race.
Please, anyone who is an FE'er, just put down the crack pipe and step away!
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insane person,
New theories are usually false. The theory that the world is a ball is new compared with the old and original fact that it is flat. So you have added your new theory along with the theory that the earth is a globe.
By the way, I am NOT with you as your website is boring.
- Dionysios
The 'theory' that Lightning isn't the work of God is new compared to what people thought for thousands of years.
HAHAHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH
That is your basis of debate?
Oh my! That is just too comical.
I don't know if this site is really a joke or not, or some debate forum for fun, but either way, the way people put their point across here is absolutely idiotic.
You have some nut jobs who try to prove, through scientific evidence that the world is flat, then they start saying about how the "new" theory of the world is an oblate sphroid (not a sphere you twats) so it's wrong, yet they fail to realize that the men who thought the world was flat had little to no scientific knowledge.
If you want to debate that the world is flat, please don't bring science into it, because science is the reason why we don't think idiotic things anymore as a race.
Please, anyone who is an FE'er, just put down the crack pipe and step away!
I was pointing out how just because a theory is new doesn't make it false, and I do, in fact, know the Earth is round.
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insane person,
New theories are usually false. The theory that the world is a ball is new compared with the old and original fact that it is flat. So you have added your new theory along with the theory that the earth is a globe.
By the way, I am NOT with you as your website is boring.
- Dionysios
The 'theory' that Lightning isn't the work of God is new compared to what people thought for thousands of years.
HAHAHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH
That is your basis of debate?
Oh my! That is just too comical.
I don't know if this site is really a joke or not, or some debate forum for fun, but either way, the way people put their point across here is absolutely idiotic.
You have some nut jobs who try to prove, through scientific evidence that the world is flat, then they start saying about how the "new" theory of the world is an oblate sphroid (not a sphere you twats) so it's wrong, yet they fail to realize that the men who thought the world was flat had little to no scientific knowledge.
If you want to debate that the world is flat, please don't bring science into it, because science is the reason why we don't think idiotic things anymore as a race.
Please, anyone who is an FE'er, just put down the crack pipe and step away!
I was pointing out how just because a theory is new doesn't make it false, and I do, in fact, know the Earth is round.
Sorry, was pointing that in the direction of Dionysios... just quoted you.
I'm glad you are one of the sane people here... as there seems to only be a handful of idiots running around.
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insane person,
New theories are usually false. The theory that the world is a ball is new compared with the old and original fact that it is flat. So you have added your new theory along with the theory that the earth is a globe.
By the way, I am NOT with you as your website is boring.
- Dionysios
The theory that the Earth is flat has not received assumed evidence until the 20th century. Before then, the only reliable source was the Bible.
So in that manner, FE is a new theory too.
And at any rate, new theories are not usually false. You would only say that if you're a jackass.
Edit: LOL, I just read your last post Dionysios, and you ARE a jackass.
You don't have to answer me since you are evidently incapable of writing anything but nonsense.
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insane person,
New theories are usually false. The theory that the world is a ball is new compared with the old and original fact that it is flat. So you have added your new theory along with the theory that the earth is a globe.
By the way, I am NOT with you as your website is boring.
- Dionysios
The theory that the Earth is flat has not received assumed evidence until the 20th century. Before then, the only reliable source was the Bible.
So in that manner, FE is a new theory too.
And at any rate, new theories are not usually false. You would only say that if you're a jackass.
Edit: LOL, I just read your last post Dionysios, and you ARE a jackass.
You don't have to answer me since you are evidently incapable of writing anything but nonsense.
Oh, but remember... he used a thesaurus to look up bigger words than his own intelligence can muster up.... so he's actually really smart!
Dionysios, it doesn't matter if you use complicated words, because your mind is still as simple as any human brain can be. You think the world is flat, enough said.
P.S, you're right Dion... the world isn't a sphere. It's an oblate spheroid. Get it right.
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Desu,
Lightning is many a time caused by God.
wow
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The proofs behind the modern flat earth movement were presented in the nineteenth century by Samuel Rowbotham which is before the twentieth century.
Rowbotham had predecessors as there were significant numbers of British who believed the ancient flat earth cosmology into the sixteenth century. Dogplatter is an example of a British flat earther from the twenty first century.
And the early Christians scientifically proved that the earth is flat. Scinetific proof of flat earthism is more ancient than sphericism, but most importantly, it is true. There are reliable sources of flat earth geography outside of the bible. For example, geometric measurements show that the earth and the oceans are flat.
- Donysios
I'm starting to think maybe you aren't joking, and really are that insane.
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I'm quite an easy one to point out. My name gives it away for anyone who has read anything of the story behind Dr. John Faustus, or Faust.
Dionysios is one of the, if not, the most knowledgeable person on this forum about the Flat Earth movement. His contributions are worthwile and I'm glad he posts here.
Though I may not agree with his views on the world, I still respect his knowledge on the subject. The Flat Earth movement is quite an interesting movement to say the least.
-Mephistopheles, the Devil's advocate for Dr. John Faustus's compact.
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I'm quite an easy one to point out. My name gives it away for anyone who has read anything of the story behind Dr. John Faustus, or Faust.
Dionysios is one of the, if not, the most knowledgeable person on this forum about the Flat Earth movement. His contributions are worthwile and I'm glad he posts here.
Though I may not agree with his views on the world, I still respect his knowledge on the subject. The Flat Earth movement is quite an interesting movement to say the least.
-Mephistopheles, the Devil's advocate for Dr. John Faustus's compact.
Now... this is what I find interesting, Meph...
Dionysios I would consider insane... but he's HONEST. He says what he means and means what he says. If he believes something I think will sound insane... he comes right out and says it anyway.
I RESPECT that. And I'm willing to cut him some slack because of it. Not too much slack, mind you... but as much as is possible. He thinks dinosaurs live in Africa... Ok, it's theoretically possible... Other creatures like Coelecanths have been discovered.
But you... You don't believe in the FE position... yet you argue it as if you do. That I DO NOT RESPECT. That's dishonest. You're lying! Sure, you try to hide it with a second person perspective... but it's dishonest! Certainly I noticed that your name and associated text implied "Devil's advocate" but I can't know that... you might simply like Faust. Who dosn't like Faust?
So... if you don't agree with the FE position... WHY ARE YOU HERE? There must be something bigger going on. I assume it's religious... but I don't know that. Dionysios is clearly religious and makes no bones about it. but you other guys? I can't trust you.
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I think it's more likely a school project of sorts, an experiment in logic if you will. Maybe for a course on logic & philosophy.
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I think it's more likely a school project of sorts, an experiment in logic if you will. Maybe for a course on logic & philosophy.
I thought of that, the other guys claim they get no course credits for doing this.
Of course... they could be lying. They already routinely lie about believing in a flat earth... no reason for that to be different.
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I think it's more likely a school project of sorts, an experiment in logic if you will. Maybe for a course on logic & philosophy.
I thought of that, the other guys claim they get no course credits for doing this.
Of course... they could be lying. They already routinely lie about believing in a flat earth... no reason for that to be different.
If you put up a sign that said "hey come debate with us for school" I doubt you'd get as many RE's that are serious about debating them.
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And the early Christians scientifically proved that the earth is flat.
- Donysios
I can't wait for you to show me these scientifical proofs.
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You believe in the FE theory because of one book.
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All these reasons and explanations, but still, when anyone asks for evidence, proof, scientific support or whatever, it's more difficult than to post a post like the one you just did. :/
A little sad.
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I'm quite an easy one to point out. My name gives it away for anyone who has read anything of the story behind Dr. John Faustus, or Faust.
Dionysios is one of the, if not, the most knowledgeable person on this forum about the Flat Earth movement. His contributions are worthwile and I'm glad he posts here.
Though I may not agree with his views on the world, I still respect his knowledge on the subject. The Flat Earth movement is quite an interesting movement to say the least.
-Mephistopheles, the Devil's advocate for Dr. John Faustus's compact.
Now... this is what I find interesting, Meph...
Dionysios I would consider insane... but he's HONEST. He says what he means and means what he says. If he believes something I think will sound insane... he comes right out and says it anyway.
I RESPECT that. And I'm willing to cut him some slack because of it. Not too much slack, mind you... but as much as is possible. He thinks dinosaurs live in Africa... Ok, it's theoretically possible... Other creatures like Coelecanths have been discovered.
But you... You don't believe in the FE position... yet you argue it as if you do. That I DO NOT RESPECT. That's dishonest. You're lying! Sure, you try to hide it with a second person perspective... but it's dishonest! Certainly I noticed that your name and associated text implied "Devil's advocate" but I can't know that... you might simply like Faust. Who dosn't like Faust?
So... if you don't agree with the FE position... WHY ARE YOU HERE? There must be something bigger going on. I assume it's religious... but I don't know that. Dionysios is clearly religious and makes no bones about it. but you other guys? I can't trust you.
I have never claimed to disbelieve either the FE or RE. Playing the devil's advocate does not necessarily mean that you, in reality, do not agree with what you are saying. Its actually more like copyright infringement. You're presenting someone else's ideas the entire time.
Whether I believe or disbelieve in the FE will not effect my posting habits.
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And the early Christians scientifically proved that the earth is flat
Yeah right...and the Christians also proved that women with red hair were witches.
The earth has been believed to be flat then because people then tried to explain their surroundings in the easiest way possible...and because they thought that they were created by god, they had to be something special and therefore be the center of the universe with the sund and moon and all the starts circling around it. And because it was the easiest way to imagine the world as a big flat plane they just said it had to be flat.
Those people just KNEW the earth was flat....and when we were kids we all KNEW santa clause really exists and we also KNEW that babies are delivered by that old big white bird. Before Columbus everyone knew that there was no way you could make it to China by traveling west.
It's all a matter of believes and knowledge. FE believers take to bible too seriously...by more or less living with the knowledge of an ancient time everyone would come to the conclusion that the earth is flat...it just has to be because the bible tells it.
Similar to a lot of people now that say:....no, Saddam really had those weapons of mass destruction, cause ive seen it on TV!
All I have seen here were statements like: "We have tons of ecuations and scientific proof for a flat earth!" But I have never seen one of those dubious equations and scientific experiments that would doubtlessly show that the earth has to be flat.
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You have to give the early christians some credit on their everlasting persuit of science.... "if she floats she is a witch, and we need to kill her! If she sinks, she was not a witch, and will be forgiven in heaven for her sins." Sounds simple enough
and if you couldnt tell, I was sarcastic up there
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New theories are usually false. The theory that the world is a ball is new compared with the old and original fact that it is flat. So you have added your new theory along with the theory that the earth is a globe.
Actually, older theories are more often false because the people who've created them lack sufficient equipment to really determine it.
When time passes, theories are overthought again and again, equipment that can give us facts gets developed and old theories are replaced by newer, better ones.
Also, I don't see how you can say "the old and original fact that it is flat".
These theories came into life even before the year 200.
People didn't have any equipment but their brains.
New equipment makes us able to determine things better and more accurate.
In the olden times, it didn't make sense to why it would be round.
With the current equipment, we can explain a lot more things.
And there is no reason why the government would keep the fact that the earth would be flat hidden from public.
In many countries, the governments are chosen by the people themselves.
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Dr. Bakerfield and CrimsonKing
I see we are fighting for the same thing,
good to have at least a few reasonable people around.
As I said in another post before, this whole FE theory seems constructed and designed to avoid proof. The conspiracy theory alone cannot be proven either false or true.
And in order to explain the FE model, so many theories that even the most intelligent brains of our generation only dare theorizing about have to actually add to the FE system to create all the effects we observe every day. The RE model can be explained way easier.
I don't know how else to put it, I always think/hope that any human brain could understand that...it can't be that hard...or am I too optimistic?
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I don't know how else to put it, I always think/hope that any human brain could understand that...it can't be that hard...or am I too optimistic?
It's just that you don't make sense.
And in order to explain the FE model, so many theories that even the most intelligent brains of our generation only dare theorizing about have to actually add to the FE system to create all the effects we observe every day.
So are you saying that all theoretical physicists are FE'ers, since what they study only applies to the FE?
The RE model can be explained way easier.
Like without dark energy? What is causing the accelerating expansion of the universe then?
Or without finding the graviton? What exactly then causes gravity?
The RE is an incomplete theory without these things just like the FE is (with the exception of the graviton).
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What do you always want with that dark enery and dark matter thing, what does that have to do with what I've said?
I still don't get how anyone can believe there is no such thing as gravity. The existance of gravity has been proven...scientifically. I myself tried an experiment to see if it works, it's not my experiment but I tried it. Here's the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_experiment
it's quite simple actually, you bring two masses close to each other and measure the force they are attracting each other with. Wikipedia uses metal balls i think, but it works with other material as well, there are no magnetic or electrostatic fields. You could connect the two balls to prevent any influence of electrostatic forces. It's easy. You put the masses together....the effect occurs, you take one away and the effect disappears.
Now tell me why you still think that gravity is something made up.
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Scinetific proof of flat earthism
That right there is an oxymoron, my friend.
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Let's not ignore the fact that the "earth is an accellerating plate" notion is smashed in the thread on the top of this forum.
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What do you always want with that dark enery and dark matter thing, what does that have to do with what I've said?
Did you read my post? It has to do with the fact that your post made no sense.
Now tell me why you still think that gravity is something made up.
I never said it was.
However, I asked you to explain what gravity is not how it causes matter to interact.
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You are trying to make him explain what gravity is, thats kind of funny.
which way would you propose he do that?
Gravitons?
String Theory?
God theory?
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You are trying to make him explain what gravity is, thats kind of funny.
which way would you propose he do that?
That's exactly my point! He stated that the RE can be expalined much easier and without all the theoretical physics. So I asked him to explain what gravity is, using the simple RE.
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Well it is the attractions between masses
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From my original question:
What exactly then causes gravity?
I didn't ask what effects gravity has on objects, I asked what causes gravity.
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I realize what you are asking, you just also asked a question that I can actually answer, so I went for it
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Engineer,
sorry that I missed your question. But what causes gravity I can't tell you, nobody can because nobody has found out...YET!
But my post nethertheless shows that gravity occurs between masses. And it proves that gravity exists which was my intention to do.
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And I said the RE can be explained much easier....but I did not say, that its possible to explain it without ALL theoretical physics.
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And I said the RE can be explained much easier...
I would say that the FE version of 'gravity' is a much easier explanation of the force than the RE's gravity. The RE relies on the interaction of extremely small messenger particles that can't be detected and most likely won't be for decades. The FE's force is a simple interaction of Newton's three laws.
What do you always want with that dark enery and dark matter thing
Seeing as how the dark energy is required for the RE as well as the FE, that's why I bring it up.
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Isn't gravity caused by mass and speed? Kind of like if you draw your hand in water, there will be currents following your hand. Gravitation.
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Isn't gravity caused by mass and speed? Kind of like if you draw your hand in water, there will be currents following your hand. Gravitation.
No.
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"In general relativity, gravitation arises out of spacetime being curved by the presence of mass, and is not a force."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity
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"In general relativity, gravitation arises out of spacetime being curved by the presence of mass, and is not a force."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity
Had you read the entire article:
Gravity versus gravitation
It is important to note, in some contexts, that gravitation is not gravity, per se. Gravitation is a phenomenon independent of any particular cause. Some theorize that it is possible for gravitation to exist without a force; according to general relativity, that is indeed the case. In common usage "gravity" and "gravitation" are either used interchangeably, or the distinction is sometimes made that "gravity" is specifically the attractive force of the earth, while "gravitation" is the general property of mutual attraction between bodies of matter. In technical usage, "gravitation" is the tendency of bodies to accelerate towards one another, and "gravity" is the force that some theories use to explain this acceleration.
Gravity was rather poorly understood until Isaac Newton formulated his law of gravitation in the 17th century. Newton's theory is still widely used for many practical purposes, though for more advanced work it has been supplanted by Einstein's general relativity. While a great deal is now known about the properties of gravity, the ultimate cause of gravitation remains an open question and gravity remains an important topic of scientific research.
Emphasis added by me.
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The ultimate sources for anything are always open questions. I can't see the relevance of your question.
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That's exactly my point! He stated that the RE can be expalined much easier and without all the theoretical physics. So I asked him to explain what gravity is, using the simple RE.
It's right there, on page 3.
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The ultimate sources for anything are always open questions. I can't see the relevance of your question.
It wouldn't have been put in that article if it was for this reason.