The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: Sarren on February 03, 2009, 11:00:05 AM
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Oh god, How did mix up South America with Africa. Man regardless of how hard it is to read that map in the faq it was stupid that even I laughed at my mistake. Next time I'll look at a real map before I start making statements. Anyways the last topic went way to far off topic. So here's a new thread.
Please note that I do not want to be told to search the forums. Either you answer the question or link me to said thread.
In your FAQ you state the earth is accelerating up at 9.8m/s. Then how is that the gravitational pull differs around the world? Why would something fall faster in
Copenhagen, where the gravitational pull is 9.815 m/s? compared to Singapore which has a gravitational pull of 9.781 m/s?? If your theory were correct then everything would
fall the same rate, yet that's not how it is.
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I'm not convinced that such local deviations exist. If they were actually measured, such variations could well be due to the gravitational influence of the heavens.
Not to drag the thread off-topic, but I'm of the minority opinion that the earth does produce gravitation (though I believe it to be imperceptible or nearly so). It must, in my opinion, because it contributes to the stress-energy tensor.
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I'm not convinced that such local deviations exist. If they were actually measured, such variations could well be due to the gravitational influence of the heavens.
Not to drag the thread off-topic, but I'm of the minority opinion that the earth does produce gravitation (though I believe it to be imperceptible or nearly so). It must, in my opinion, because it contributes to the stress-energy tensor.
It has been proven that the gravitational pull differs across the earth. I thought FE didn't believe in gravity at all.
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There are a few FE'ers who believe in an infinite earth and gravitation. I believe in a finite earth that produces indiscernible gravitation. None of them believe in gravity to my knowledge.
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I'm not convinced that such local deviations exist. If they were actually measured, such variations could well be due to the gravitational influence of the heavens.
Not to drag the thread off-topic, but I'm of the minority opinion that the earth does produce gravitation (though I believe it to be imperceptible or nearly so). It must, in my opinion, because it contributes to the stress-energy tensor.
It has been proven that the gravitational pull differs across the earth. I thought FE didn't believe in gravity at all.
This is one of those places where you cannot interchange the 2 terms, even though they are interchangeable everywhere else in the world
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...such variations could well be due to the gravitational influence of the heavens...
So now the heavens have a gravitational pull?
What kind of gravitation do you guys believe in?
Energy that pushes the earth and everything else constantly up, and gravitation some how pulling up on earth from the stars and other planets?
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So now the heavens have a gravitational pull?
They always have. This is not something we just pulled out of our asses. Many threads have detailed this.
What kind of gravitation do you guys believe in?
Energy that pushes the earth and everything else constantly up, and gravitation some how pulling up on earth from the stars and other planets?
Energy from the UA likely causes the gravitational pull of heavenly bodies, but it is so far speculation.
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I can almost feel my IQ lowering from being on this site. This is the last you'll see of me as I doubt my questions will ever be logically answered.
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I can almost feel my IQ lowering from being on this site. This is the last you'll see of me as I doubt my questions will ever be logically answered.
I'm sure your IQ was low enough to start that you would see this being an imminent danger. Farewell.
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I'm not convinced that such local deviations exist. If they were actually measured, such variations could well be due to the gravitational influence of the heavens.
Not to drag the thread off-topic, but I'm of the minority opinion that the earth does produce gravitation (though I believe it to be imperceptible or nearly so). It must, in my opinion, because it contributes to the stress-energy tensor.
Sure it could be possible, however there is direct evidence against this.
Using these devices that can measure the strength of the gravitational field, they have placed object above the divice and seen that they effect the strength of the gravitational field.
For instance in once such occurrence, there was a periodic fluctuation in the strength of the gravitational field at one of these detectors. It occurred exactly the same time as the local university held its football match. As the device was located underneath the stadium, it was determined that the mass of the people above in the stadium was actually effecting the gravitational field enough to be detected by this device.
This has also been show to occur with lumps of the Earth.
As the size of these objects are known, and the distances top them, we can therefore work out the actual strength of the gravitational field due to the mass of the objects.
If you then extend this to the known size of the Earth to work out the mass fo the Earth, then the gravity (or at least the effects of attraction caused by mass) is enough to colapse the material of the Earht into a sphere.
So, based on these devices, we can conclude that the Mass of the Earth is more than enough to cause it to become a Sphere, and therefore can not be flat.
The Earth is not flat.
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For instance in once such occurrence, there was a periodic fluctuation in the strength of the gravitational field at one of these detectors. It occurred exactly the same time as the local university held its football match. As the device was located underneath the stadium, it was determined that the mass of the people above in the stadium was actually effecting the gravitational field enough to be detected by this device.
Those are some dumb scientists. I would not trust anything they say.
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For instance in once such occurrence, there was a periodic fluctuation in the strength of the gravitational field at one of these detectors. It occurred exactly the same time as the local university held its football match. As the device was located underneath the stadium, it was determined that the mass of the people above in the stadium was actually effecting the gravitational field enough to be detected by this device.
Those are some dumb scientists. I would not trust anything they say.
yep, a few hundred tons of people will make a gravitational difference.
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For instance in once such occurrence, there was a periodic fluctuation in the strength of the gravitational field at one of these detectors. It occurred exactly the same time as the local university held its football match. As the device was located underneath the stadium, it was determined that the mass of the people above in the stadium was actually effecting the gravitational field enough to be detected by this device.
Those are some dumb scientists. I would not trust anything they say.
yep, a few hundred tons of people will make a gravitational difference.
To a sensitive enough device, why not?
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For instance in once such occurrence, there was a periodic fluctuation in the strength of the gravitational field at one of these detectors. It occurred exactly the same time as the local university held its football match. As the device was located underneath the stadium, it was determined that the mass of the people above in the stadium was actually effecting the gravitational field enough to be detected by this device.
Those are some dumb scientists. I would not trust anything they say.
yep, a few hundred tons of people will make a gravitational difference.
To a sensitive enough device, why not?
Even if there were a million killograms of people, that would still only be 1/(5.97*1018) of the earth. That can't be a very strong tug especially spread out as they are.
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For instance in once such occurrence, there was a periodic fluctuation in the strength of the gravitational field at one of these detectors. It occurred exactly the same time as the local university held its football match. As the device was located underneath the stadium, it was determined that the mass of the people above in the stadium was actually effecting the gravitational field enough to be detected by this device.
Those are some dumb scientists. I would not trust anything they say.
yep, a few hundred tons of people will make a gravitational difference.
To a sensitive enough device, why not?
Even if there were a million killograms of people, that would still only be 1/(5.97*1018) of the earth. That can't be a very strong tug especially spread out as they are.
It doesn't have to be a very strong tug to be measurable. To be honest, I don't know if there is equipment sensitive enough to pick up that small of a variation, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is.
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Possibly, but they wouldn't put it in any place that has that much traffic and people. Anything that sensitive would be out in an unused area.
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For instance in once such occurrence, there was a periodic fluctuation in the strength of the gravitational field at one of these detectors. It occurred exactly the same time as the local university held its football match. As the device was located underneath the stadium, it was determined that the mass of the people above in the stadium was actually effecting the gravitational field enough to be detected by this device.
Those are some dumb scientists. I would not trust anything they say.
yep, a few hundred tons of people will make a gravitational difference.
Actually, that claim might be pretty true.
Out in the ocean, large, undersea mountains have been shown to exert small gravitational pull. Water actually slowly pulls towards it and creates a mound of water directly over the spot where the undersea mountain is. Thus, the sea is not flat.
So, if massive undersea mountains can do that, then it'd make sense that enough people condensed in one location would create a very slight gravitational pull.
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For instance in once such occurrence, there was a periodic fluctuation in the strength of the gravitational field at one of these detectors. It occurred exactly the same time as the local university held its football match. As the device was located underneath the stadium, it was determined that the mass of the people above in the stadium was actually effecting the gravitational field enough to be detected by this device.
Those are some dumb scientists. I would not trust anything they say.
yep, a few hundred tons of people will make a gravitational difference.
Actually, that claim might be pretty true.
Out in the ocean, large, undersea mountains have been shown to exert small gravitational pull. Water actually slowly pulls towards it and creates a mound of water directly over the spot where the undersea mountain is. Thus, the sea is not flat.
So, if massive undersea mountains can do that, then it'd make sense that enough people condensed in one location would create a very slight gravitational pull.
1. a massive mountain is not on the same order of magnitude as 100,000 people.
2. moving water does not mean that it's gravity is detectable by any instruments we use.
3. all objects have some gravitational force.
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For instance in once such occurrence, there was a periodic fluctuation in the strength of the gravitational field at one of these detectors. It occurred exactly the same time as the local university held its football match. As the device was located underneath the stadium, it was determined that the mass of the people above in the stadium was actually effecting the gravitational field enough to be detected by this device.
Those are some dumb scientists. I would not trust anything they say.
yep, a few hundred tons of people will make a gravitational difference.
Actually, that claim might be pretty true.
Out in the ocean, large, undersea mountains have been shown to exert small gravitational pull. Water actually slowly pulls towards it and creates a mound of water directly over the spot where the undersea mountain is. Thus, the sea is not flat.
So, if massive undersea mountains can do that, then it'd make sense that enough people condensed in one location would create a very slight gravitational pull.
2. moving water does not mean that it's gravity is detectable by any instruments we use.
So it's just coincidence that massive mountains underwater have mysterious increases in sealevel above them? Okay.
Oceanography 101 might be a good course for you.
Also, when did you all decide that gravity does indeed exist? Make up your minds. I feel like you all just go in circles non-stop.
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For instance in once such occurrence, there was a periodic fluctuation in the strength of the gravitational field at one of these detectors. It occurred exactly the same time as the local university held its football match. As the device was located underneath the stadium, it was determined that the mass of the people above in the stadium was actually effecting the gravitational field enough to be detected by this device.
Those are some dumb scientists. I would not trust anything they say.
Since your User name is TheEngineer, I assume you have some knowledge of engineering?
Well, in FE (or RE) will an object "fall" the same rate in a vacuum?
If it does, then I can prove that there is an attraction between Masses (which we call gravity), although the equipment is probably a bit hard to build yourself, but if you have enough technical engineering expertise, then you could make one.
The device is simple really.
All you need to do is have a vertical column (the longer the better, but the more effort it will take to extract the air form it)
Inside this column is a mirror and a winch attached to this mirror.
The mirror is raised up to the top of the column and the air is evacuated form the column. This will allow the mirror to free fall without air resistance.
Next, at the bottom of the column is a laser range finder that measures the distant a beam of light travels form the laser, to the mirror then down to a detector.
The mirror is released and allowed to fall, the laser range finder tracks the motion of the mirror, specifically its velocity and acceleration.
Now, according to the theory that Masses exert a force of attraction between them, then if you place a large mass above or below this detector, then if Masses exert this force, then the mirror's acceleration (and hence velocity) will be different form when the mass was not there.
If on the other hand there is no such thing as an attractive force between masses (gravity) then this will have absolutely no effect on the equipment at all.
There are also other machines that measure gravity and are accurate down to one thousandth of one billionth of the Earth surface gravity. that is it can detect variation in force 0.000 000 000 0001 of 1 G.
See here for a start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravimeter
That is easily enough to measure the masses of 100,000 people.
So the sensitivity of these machines are enough to detect the variations.
And not only that, they are easily able to do this for known masses. Using this we can determine the strength of this attractive force for a given mass.
Now, lets assume that the Earth is Flat. We know that it must have a certain minimum depth or the mines we have dug would have broken through to the other side. This is about 1km
The Area of the FE is estimated (using the data from the FAQ) at around 155,002,503 square miles (usign Pi * R2, where R is equal to approximately 12,450 miles).
As rock has an approximate density of the Earth is around 5515kg/m3
So lets calculate the amount of attraction (as confirmed by direct experiment as to the amount of force/unit of mass):
Approximate Radius of the Flat Earth: 20,036km
Minimum depth of the Flat Earth: 1km
Area of the FE: 401,441,299km2
Area in metres: 401,441,299,000 m2
Minimum Volume of a Flat Earth: 401,441,299,000,000 m3
multiplied by density: 2,213,948,763,985,000,000 kg
At the known strength of the attractive force, this would cause the Earth to collapse into a ball. So as Mass has been experimentally determined, and that this mass has an attractive force between other masses, then by this, the Earth can not possibly be flat, and would ahve to be Round.
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Maybe it's better to consider about 12 km for minimum depth because Marianas trench is about 11 km deep.
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Out in the ocean, large, undersea mountains have been shown to exert small gravitational pull. Water actually slowly pulls towards it and creates a mound of water directly over the spot where the undersea mountain is. Thus, the sea is not flat.
Source, please.
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Since your User name is TheEngineer, I assume you have some knowledge of engineering?
I would like to think so.
Well, in FE (or RE) will an object "fall" the same rate in a vacuum?
Yes.
If it does, then I can prove that there is an attraction between Masses (which we call gravity)
I would love for you to prove that to me.
according to the theory that Masses exert a force of attraction between them
There is your problem.
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For instance in once such occurrence, there was a periodic fluctuation in the strength of the gravitational field at one of these detectors. It occurred exactly the same time as the local university held its football match. As the device was located underneath the stadium, it was determined that the mass of the people above in the stadium was actually effecting the gravitational field enough to be detected by this device.
Those are some dumb scientists. I would not trust anything they say.
yep, a few hundred tons of people will make a gravitational difference.
Actually, that claim might be pretty true.
Out in the ocean, large, undersea mountains have been shown to exert small gravitational pull. Water actually slowly pulls towards it and creates a mound of water directly over the spot where the undersea mountain is. Thus, the sea is not flat.
So, if massive undersea mountains can do that, then it'd make sense that enough people condensed in one location would create a very slight gravitational pull.
2. moving water does not mean that it's gravity is detectable by any instruments we use.
So it's just coincidence that massive mountains underwater have mysterious increases in sealevel above them? Okay.
Oceanography 101 might be a good course for you.
Also, when did you all decide that gravity does indeed exist? Make up your minds. I feel like you all just go in circles non-stop.
You might want to take reading comprehension 84, it's the slow learners class. Undetectable by any instrument we use =/ nonexistant.
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Out in the ocean, large, undersea mountains have been shown to exert small gravitational pull. Water actually slowly pulls towards it and creates a mound of water directly over the spot where the undersea mountain is. Thus, the sea is not flat.
Source, please.
Invitation to Oceanography by Paul R. Pinet for example. It's also mentioned in "ESA's Ice Mission" - http://www.esa.int/esapub/br/br199/br199.pdf (http://www.esa.int/esapub/br/br199/br199.pdf) and if you just bother to search little you can find more.
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Show it, please.
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I gave you the title of book and author name. Just go to amazon or library or google books and read the book.
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No. I am not going to read a book to corroborate your story. Provide the passage that backs your claim.
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No. I am not going to read a book to corroborate your story. Provide the passage that backs your claim.
I don't claim anything I just gave you the title of book which among the other things talks about that undersea mountains draw water near itself because gravitational attraction. And because of this there are mound of water directly over the spot where the undersea mountain is and thus, the sea is not flat.
It's a book for christ sake. I can't give you a book through cables and why do I have to force feed you with something anyway. If you are not interested in that then don't read it but also don't say that the book doesn't talk about it. And if you are interested you can buy it from amazon http://www.amazon.com/Invitation-Oceanography-Third-Paul-Pinet/dp/0763721360/ref=sr_11_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1234009273&sr=11-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Invitation-Oceanography-Third-Paul-Pinet/dp/0763721360/ref=sr_11_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1234009273&sr=11-1) or get the info from there and go to the library. Or devise some other options for getting it.
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You are the one making the claim, not me.
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You are the one making the claim, not me.
I know that you can read but I'm starting to have doubts that you can't understand what you read. I didn't make the claim. tehflatearth was the first to say so and I just provided the source. But as usual behavioral pattern with FE advocates they demand force feeding and haven't any will to move itself for getting food. Too bad. As I said - I didn't claim anything and if you want something then go and get it. I pointed the way where it is. And if you don't want source then don't ask for it. It's simple.
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You are the one making the claim, not me.
I know that you can read but I'm starting to have doubts that you can't understand what you read. I didn't make the claim. tehflatearth was the first to say so and I just provided the source. But as usual behavioral pattern with FE advocates they demand force feeding and haven't any will to move itself for getting food. Too bad. As I said - I didn't claim anything and if you want something then go and get it. I pointed the way where it is. And if you don't want source then don't ask for it. It's simple.
Typical RE'er. All talk, no proof.
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You are the one making the claim, not me.
I know that you can read but I'm starting to have doubts that you can't understand what you read. I didn't make the claim. tehflatearth was the first to say so and I just provided the source. But as usual behavioral pattern with FE advocates they demand force feeding and haven't any will to move itself for getting food. Too bad. As I said - I didn't claim anything and if you want something then go and get it. I pointed the way where it is. And if you don't want source then don't ask for it. It's simple.
Typical RE'er. All talk, no proof.
Typical FE supporter to lazy to look anything up
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You are the one making the claim, not me.
I know that you can read but I'm starting to have doubts that you can't understand what you read. I didn't make the claim. tehflatearth was the first to say so and I just provided the source. But as usual behavioral pattern with FE advocates they demand force feeding and haven't any will to move itself for getting food. Too bad. As I said - I didn't claim anything and if you want something then go and get it. I pointed the way where it is. And if you don't want source then don't ask for it. It's simple.
Typical RE'er. All talk, no proof.
Typical FE supporter to lazy to look anything up
Umm... TheEngineer isn't really an FE supporter. In fact, most of his arguments don't have anything to do with the shape of the earth. He mostly likes to harass the noobs by challenging their misconceptions about gravity/gravitation and GPS. And he seems to think that they will learn better if they do the work themselves.
Sound about right, Engy?
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You are the one making the claim, not me.
I know that you can read but I'm starting to have doubts that you can't understand what you read. I didn't make the claim. tehflatearth was the first to say so and I just provided the source. But as usual behavioral pattern with FE advocates they demand force feeding and haven't any will to move itself for getting food. Too bad. As I said - I didn't claim anything and if you want something then go and get it. I pointed the way where it is. And if you don't want source then don't ask for it. It's simple.
Typical RE'er. All talk, no proof.
Typical FE supporter to lazy to look anything up
Umm... TheEngineer isn't really an FE supporter. In fact, most of his arguments don't have anything to do with the shape of the earth. He mostly likes to harass the noobs by challenging their misconceptions about gravity/gravitation and GPS. And he seems to think that you will learn better if you do the work yourself.
Sound about right, Engy?
I know exactly what he is.
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You are the one making the claim, not me.
I know that you can read but I'm starting to have doubts that you can't understand what you read. I didn't make the claim. tehflatearth was the first to say so and I just provided the source. But as usual behavioral pattern with FE advocates they demand force feeding and haven't any will to move itself for getting food. Too bad. As I said - I didn't claim anything and if you want something then go and get it. I pointed the way where it is. And if you don't want source then don't ask for it. It's simple.
Typical RE'er. All talk, no proof.
Typical FE supporter to lazy to look anything up
Umm... TheEngineer isn't really an FE supporter. In fact, most of his arguments don't have anything to do with the shape of the earth. He mostly likes to harass the noobs by challenging their misconceptions about gravity/gravitation and GPS. And he seems to think that you will learn better if you do the work yourself.
Sound about right, Engy?
I know exactly what he is.
An arrogant jerk?
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You are the one making the claim, not me.
I know that you can read but I'm starting to have doubts that you can't understand what you read. I didn't make the claim. tehflatearth was the first to say so and I just provided the source. But as usual behavioral pattern with FE advocates they demand force feeding and haven't any will to move itself for getting food. Too bad. As I said - I didn't claim anything and if you want something then go and get it. I pointed the way where it is. And if you don't want source then don't ask for it. It's simple.
Typical RE'er. All talk, no proof.
Typical FE supporter to lazy to look anything up
Umm... TheEngineer isn't really an FE supporter. In fact, most of his arguments don't have anything to do with the shape of the earth. He mostly likes to harass the noobs by challenging their misconceptions about gravity/gravitation and GPS. And he seems to think that they will learn better if they do the work themselves.
Sound about right, Engy?
Omg, now apply that logic to every single FE'er and you might just stop failing at the game.
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You are the one making the claim, not me.
I know that you can read but I'm starting to have doubts that you can't understand what you read. I didn't make the claim. tehflatearth was the first to say so and I just provided the source. But as usual behavioral pattern with FE advocates they demand force feeding and haven't any will to move itself for getting food. Too bad. As I said - I didn't claim anything and if you want something then go and get it. I pointed the way where it is. And if you don't want source then don't ask for it. It's simple.
Typical RE'er. All talk, no proof.
Typical FE supporter to lazy to look anything up
Umm... TheEngineer isn't really an FE supporter. In fact, most of his arguments don't have anything to do with the shape of the earth. He mostly likes to harass the noobs by challenging their misconceptions about gravity/gravitation and GPS. And he seems to think that you will learn better if you do the work yourself.
Sound about right, Engy?
I know exactly what he is.
An arrogant jerk?
A Wiki educated Arrogant Jerk
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Omg, now apply that logic to every single FE'er and you might just stop failing at the game.
Don't pretend that most of us don't know that already. Just because I play along doesn't mean that I'm "failing at the game"
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Umm... TheEngineer isn't really an FE supporter. In fact, most of his arguments don't have anything to do with the shape of the earth. He mostly likes to harass the noobs by challenging their misconceptions about gravity/gravitation and GPS. And he seems to think that they will learn better if they do the work themselves.
Sound about right, Engy?
Omg, now apply that logic to every single FE'er and you might just stop failing at the game.
Maybe Engy doesn't argue specific FE/RE issues, but some FE'ers do.
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Umm... TheEngineer isn't really an FE supporter. In fact, most of his arguments don't have anything to do with the shape of the earth. He mostly likes to harass the noobs by challenging their misconceptions about gravity/gravitation and GPS. And he seems to think that they will learn better if they do the work themselves.
Sound about right, Engy?
Omg, now apply that logic to every single FE'er and you might just stop failing at the game.
Maybe Engy doesn't argue specific FE/RE issues, but some FE'ers do.
He only posts when he can somehow use the idea of the EP or the fact that GPS does not technically need to have satellites, that is it. And then he will only post 3-4 words and then laugh at the noobs who dont understand what point he is trying to make
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Umm... TheEngineer isn't really an FE supporter. In fact, most of his arguments don't have anything to do with the shape of the earth. He mostly likes to harass the noobs by challenging their misconceptions about gravity/gravitation and GPS. And he seems to think that they will learn better if they do the work themselves.
Sound about right, Engy?
Omg, now apply that logic to every single FE'er and you might just stop failing at the game.
Maybe Engy doesn't argue specific FE/RE issues, but some FE'ers do.
Yet there is a huge connection there, maybe try to apply what you've learned about him to everyone else.
As the rolling stones said "does anybody remember laughter?"
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As the rolling stones said "does anybody remember laughter?"
Nope. Led Zeppelin.
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As the rolling stones said "does anybody remember laughter?"
Nope. Led Zeppelin.
Did I seriously write rolling stones? Wow I am hung over. I've only listened to like 2 rolling stones songs in my life.
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Typical RE'er. All talk, no proof.
Do you question the existence of the book which I pointed to you - http://www.amazon.com/Invitation-Oceanography-Third-Paul-Pinet/dp/0763721360/ref=sr_11_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1234009273&sr=11-1 ?
It's a book. It's a copyrighted material. So, I can't do copies of it and post them to public web. So, you must to go and get it from somewhere else. You asked for source, I gave it to you. What more do you want? I can't do copy/paste from book to here also because there is no way to verify from where I took that text. And that makes your only option to go and actually to look at source itself from somewhere. I don't quite understand what is so difficult about that? You can't read or what? Or do you have some disabilities which restrict you moving around and if this a case then d oyou have speaking disability and can't ask help from someone to go library and look it out for you? Or you can't buy things without parental consent? Talk about it or else I can't understand your reluctance to look at the book.
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Technically you can quote it as long as you reference it.
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I did quote, not word by word but free adaption - among the other things talks about that undersea mountains draw water near itself because gravitational attraction. And because of this there are mound of water directly over the spot where the undersea mountain is and thus, the sea is not flat.
And I referenced to the book at amazon.com. It didn't help.
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uhhhh, you claimed it said something then gave a book. That isn't quoting.
Einstein said the Earth is flat. It is in his memoirs. Read them. That's my quote and reference.
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And what difference it makes when I quote word by word from book? Result is same, there is slightly different text here and you ask again where is the source. I can't put physical object through cables for you to look. I can only say what book said or quote word by word from it. And both are exactly the same things. Only with different words. So, the only and only option is for you itself look at the book. Then you can be sure.
Einstein said the Earth is flat. It is in his memoirs. Read them. That's my quote and reference.
Can you reference to me where his memories are? I referenced you to physically available book and I expect that you reference me also to something that I can touch with hands.
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Einstein said the Earth is flat. It is in his memoirs. Read them. That's my quote and reference.
Can you reference to me where his memories are? I referenced you to physically available book and I expect that you reference me also to something that I can touch with hands.
Oh, Christ. Memoirs, not memories. ::)
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And what difference it makes when I quote word by word from book? Result is same, there is slightly different text here and you ask again where is the source. I can't put physical object through cables for you to look. I can only say what book said or quote word by word from it. And both are exactly the same things. Only with different words. So, the only and only option is for you itself look at the book. Then you can be sure.
Einstein said the Earth is flat. It is in his memoirs. Read them. That's my quote and reference.
Can you reference to me where his memories are? I referenced you to physically available book and I expect that you reference me also to something that I can touch with hands.
That would depend which belief system you describe to. As for what I actually said, a "memoir" is a book.
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And what difference it makes when I quote word by word from book? Result is same, there is slightly different text here and you ask again where is the source. I can't put physical object through cables for you to look. I can only say what book said or quote word by word from it. And both are exactly the same things. Only with different words. So, the only and only option is for you itself look at the book. Then you can be sure.
Einstein said the Earth is flat. It is in his memoirs. Read them. That's my quote and reference.
Can you reference to me where his memories are? I referenced you to physically available book and I expect that you reference me also to something that I can touch with hands.
That would depend which belief system you describe to. As for what I actually said, a "memoir" is a book.
My bad, my eyes played a trick to me. Still, you didn't reference me to specific book as I did. Just said that there is Einstein Memoirs somewhere. And is the books title "Einsteins Memoirs" or something else? And yet still. You didn't answer my question, what difference is if I quote exactly from the book or do some slight changes or say shortly what the book says? Because as I said, you don't have any way to make sure from where I took these lines.
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And what difference it makes when I quote word by word from book? Result is same, there is slightly different text here and you ask again where is the source. I can't put physical object through cables for you to look. I can only say what book said or quote word by word from it. And both are exactly the same things. Only with different words. So, the only and only option is for you itself look at the book. Then you can be sure.
Einstein said the Earth is flat. It is in his memoirs. Read them. That's my quote and reference.
Can you reference to me where his memories are? I referenced you to physically available book and I expect that you reference me also to something that I can touch with hands.
That would depend which belief system you describe to. As for what I actually said, a "memoir" is a book.
My bad, my eyes played a trick to me. Still, you didn't reference me to specific book as I did. Just said that there is Einstein Memoirs somewhere. And is the books title "Einsteins Memoirs" or something else? And yet still. You didn't answer my question, what difference is if I quote exactly from the book or do some slight changes or say shortly what the book says? Because as I said, you don't have any way to make sure from where I took these lines.
Your short sum up was very vague and worded in a way that makes me doubt your understanding of the concept. I've seen many people misrepresent what a book meant simply because they lacked the ability to understand the author.
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Your short sum up was very vague and worded in a way that makes me doubt your understanding of the concept. I've seen many people misrepresent what a book meant simply because they lacked the ability to understand the author.
That's your excuse? Come on. If you really want word by word quote then I can do that(although I can't believe how lazy and without any motivation to know something you guys are. And hypocrites, because all you do is reference do EnAG and never quote from it.) - Rocks are denser than water is, so any undersea mountain will "draw" water to it from all sides because of gravitational attraction. This creates a detectable mound of water over the submarine mountain.
I also put another link on my first post with book name - http://www.esa.int/esapub/br/br199/br199.pdf but seems that this doesn't count. Also you can find other sources from web if you use keywords like "undersea mountain water gravitational attraction mound gravity". But you just can't. And don't want to. Sigh.
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He only posts when he can somehow use the idea of the EP or the fact that GPS does not technically need to have satellites, that is it. And then he will only post 3-4 words and then laugh at the noobs who dont understand what point he is trying to make
Poor boy got smacked down a few times and all you can do now is insult? Grow a set, kid.
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A Wiki educated
My diploma would say otherwise.
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He only posts when he can somehow use the idea of the EP or the fact that GPS does not technically need to have satellites, that is it. And then he will only post 3-4 words and then laugh at the noobs who dont understand what point he is trying to make
Poor boy got smacked down a few times and all you can do now is insult? Grow a set, kid.
Just because you refuse to admit when you are wrong does mean I got smacked down. and some sort of diploma from devry does not make you an expert in relativity
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Just because you refuse to admit when you are wrong does mean I got smacked down. and some sort of diploma from devry does not make you an expert in relativity
Your comebacks, just like your reasoning, suck.
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He only posts when he can somehow use the idea of the EP or the fact that GPS does not technically need to have satellites, that is it. And then he will only post 3-4 words and then laugh at the noobs who dont understand what point he is trying to make
Poor boy got smacked down a few times and all you can do now is insult? Grow a set, kid.
Just because you refuse to admit when you are wrong does mean I got smacked down. and some sort of diploma from devry does not make you an expert in relativity
Devry is a computer school, they don't do many engineering degrees, and most of their graduates don't go on to work on missiles.
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He only posts when he can somehow use the idea of the EP or the fact that GPS does not technically need to have satellites, that is it. And then he will only post 3-4 words and then laugh at the noobs who dont understand what point he is trying to make
Poor boy got smacked down a few times and all you can do now is insult? Grow a set, kid.
Just because you refuse to admit when you are wrong does mean I got smacked down. and some sort of diploma from devry does not make you an expert in relativity
Devry is a computer school, they don't do many engineering degrees, and most of their graduates don't go on to work on missiles.
Raist, I was just curious, where do you go to college?
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He only posts when he can somehow use the idea of the EP or the fact that GPS does not technically need to have satellites, that is it. And then he will only post 3-4 words and then laugh at the noobs who dont understand what point he is trying to make
Poor boy got smacked down a few times and all you can do now is insult? Grow a set, kid.
Just because you refuse to admit when you are wrong does mean I got smacked down. and some sort of diploma from devry does not make you an expert in relativity
Devry is a computer school, they don't do many engineering degrees, and most of their graduates don't go on to work on missiles.
Raist, I was just curious, where do you go to college?
Miami University.
The second college to be established in the state of Ohio. We are also known as the mother of fraternities, but a strict headmaster decided that "secret societies" should be disbanded and expelled over half the students. We were I believe third in the nation for largest college at that time.
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He only posts when he can somehow use the idea of the EP or the fact that GPS does not technically need to have satellites, that is it. And then he will only post 3-4 words and then laugh at the noobs who dont understand what point he is trying to make
Poor boy got smacked down a few times and all you can do now is insult? Grow a set, kid.
Just because you refuse to admit when you are wrong does mean I got smacked down. and some sort of diploma from devry does not make you an expert in relativity
Devry is a computer school, they don't do many engineering degrees, and most of their graduates don't go on to work on missiles.
Raist, I was just curious, where do you go to college?
Miami University.
The second college to be established in the state of Ohio. We are also known as the mother of fraternities, but a strict headmaster decided that "secret societies" should be disbanded and expelled over half the students. We were I believe third in the nation for largest college at that time.
Sounds like a Douche. But let me get this straight, Miami University is in Ohio?
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He only posts when he can somehow use the idea of the EP or the fact that GPS does not technically need to have satellites, that is it. And then he will only post 3-4 words and then laugh at the noobs who dont understand what point he is trying to make
Poor boy got smacked down a few times and all you can do now is insult? Grow a set, kid.
Just because you refuse to admit when you are wrong does mean I got smacked down. and some sort of diploma from devry does not make you an expert in relativity
Devry is a computer school, they don't do many engineering degrees, and most of their graduates don't go on to work on missiles.
Raist, I was just curious, where do you go to college?
Miami University.
The second college to be established in the state of Ohio. We are also known as the mother of fraternities, but a strict headmaster decided that "secret societies" should be disbanded and expelled over half the students. We were I believe third in the nation for largest college at that time.
Sounds like a Douche. But let me get this straight, Miami University is in Ohio?
http://www.miami.muohio.edu/
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He only posts when he can somehow use the idea of the EP or the fact that GPS does not technically need to have satellites, that is it. And then he will only post 3-4 words and then laugh at the noobs who dont understand what point he is trying to make
Poor boy got smacked down a few times and all you can do now is insult? Grow a set, kid.
Just because you refuse to admit when you are wrong does mean I got smacked down. and some sort of diploma from devry does not make you an expert in relativity
Devry is a computer school, they don't do many engineering degrees, and most of their graduates don't go on to work on missiles.
Raist, I was just curious, where do you go to college?
Miami University.
The second college to be established in the state of Ohio. We are also known as the mother of fraternities, but a strict headmaster decided that "secret societies" should be disbanded and expelled over half the students. We were I believe third in the nation for largest college at that time.
Sounds like a Douche. But let me get this straight, Miami University is in Ohio?
http://www.miami.muohio.edu/
Thats odd. Why exactly did they name it Miami then?
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He only posts when he can somehow use the idea of the EP or the fact that GPS does not technically need to have satellites, that is it. And then he will only post 3-4 words and then laugh at the noobs who dont understand what point he is trying to make
Poor boy got smacked down a few times and all you can do now is insult? Grow a set, kid.
Just because you refuse to admit when you are wrong does mean I got smacked down. and some sort of diploma from devry does not make you an expert in relativity
Devry is a computer school, they don't do many engineering degrees, and most of their graduates don't go on to work on missiles.
Raist, I was just curious, where do you go to college?
Miami University.
The second college to be established in the state of Ohio. We are also known as the mother of fraternities, but a strict headmaster decided that "secret societies" should be disbanded and expelled over half the students. We were I believe third in the nation for largest college at that time.
Sounds like a Douche. But let me get this straight, Miami University is in Ohio?
http://www.miami.muohio.edu/
Thats odd. Why exactly did they name it Miami then?
The miami indians that used to live here. Florida became a state sometime after our university was founded. So we were definitely here first. A better question is why miami florida is named miami.
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2 Universities named the same thing? They need to get more creative with the naming part. I would definitely attend Pizza University.
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No, you are thinking of "The University of Miami"
I go to "Miami University"
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No, you are thinking of "The University of Miami"
I go to "Miami University"
Gotcha. It's still weid though.
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He only posts when he can somehow use the idea of the EP or the fact that GPS does not technically need to have satellites, that is it. And then he will only post 3-4 words and then laugh at the noobs who dont understand what point he is trying to make
Poor boy got smacked down a few times and all you can do now is insult? Grow a set, kid.
Just because you refuse to admit when you are wrong does mean I got smacked down. and some sort of diploma from devry does not make you an expert in relativity
Devry is a computer school, they don't do many engineering degrees, and most of their graduates don't go on to work on missiles.
Devry does offer engineering programs, and any yahoo can get a job working with missles
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Devry does offer engineering programs
They offer engineering technology degrees which 99.9% of companies will not accept as fitting the requirement for an engineering job.
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He only posts when he can somehow use the idea of the EP or the fact that GPS does not technically need to have satellites, that is it. And then he will only post 3-4 words and then laugh at the noobs who dont understand what point he is trying to make
Poor boy got smacked down a few times and all you can do now is insult? Grow a set, kid.
Just because you refuse to admit when you are wrong does mean I got smacked down. and some sort of diploma from devry does not make you an expert in relativity
Devry is a computer school, they don't do many engineering degrees, and most of their graduates don't go on to work on missiles.
Devry does offer engineering programs, and any yahoo can get a job working with missles
Devry is not ABET accredited in any area accept working the electronics. And I doubt the government grabs devry grads for engineers.
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He only posts when he can somehow use the idea of the EP or the fact that GPS does not technically need to have satellites, that is it. And then he will only post 3-4 words and then laugh at the noobs who dont understand what point he is trying to make
Poor boy got smacked down a few times and all you can do now is insult? Grow a set, kid.
Just because you refuse to admit when you are wrong does mean I got smacked down. and some sort of diploma from devry does not make you an expert in relativity
Devry is a computer school, they don't do many engineering degrees, and most of their graduates don't go on to work on missiles.
Devry does offer engineering programs, and any yahoo can get a job working with missles
Devry is not ABET accredited in any area accept working the electronics. And I doubt the government grabs devry grads for engineers.
But you can still get a degree and if you have some work experience you can get a job as a laborer easily. Heck they may even call it an engineering position but that does not mean that you are an engineer in the sense that you are thinking
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He only posts when he can somehow use the idea of the EP or the fact that GPS does not technically need to have satellites, that is it. And then he will only post 3-4 words and then laugh at the noobs who dont understand what point he is trying to make
Poor boy got smacked down a few times and all you can do now is insult? Grow a set, kid.
Just because you refuse to admit when you are wrong does mean I got smacked down. and some sort of diploma from devry does not make you an expert in relativity
Devry is a computer school, they don't do many engineering degrees, and most of their graduates don't go on to work on missiles.
Devry does offer engineering programs, and any yahoo can get a job working with missles
Devry is not ABET accredited in any area accept working the electronics. And I doubt the government grabs devry grads for engineers.
But you can still get a degree and if you have some work experience you can get a job as a laborer easily. Heck they may even call it an engineering position but that does not mean that you are an engineer in the sense that you are thinking
You aren't going to be doing work on missiles then. Not in any design sense. The most you'd be in charge of is mass production and that is usually private.
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He only posts when he can somehow use the idea of the EP or the fact that GPS does not technically need to have satellites, that is it. And then he will only post 3-4 words and then laugh at the noobs who dont understand what point he is trying to make
Poor boy got smacked down a few times and all you can do now is insult? Grow a set, kid.
Just because you refuse to admit when you are wrong does mean I got smacked down. and some sort of diploma from devry does not make you an expert in relativity
Devry is a computer school, they don't do many engineering degrees, and most of their graduates don't go on to work on missiles.
Devry does offer engineering programs, and any yahoo can get a job working with missles
Devry is not ABET accredited in any area accept working the electronics. And I doubt the government grabs devry grads for engineers.
But you can still get a degree and if you have some work experience you can get a job as a laborer easily. Heck they may even call it an engineering position but that does not mean that you are an engineer in the sense that you are thinking
You aren't going to be doing work on missiles then. Not in any design sense. The most you'd be in charge of is mass production and that is usually private.
Who said he designed them I have only seen that he said he was working for a missle company. And based upon the knowledge he has shown here I highly doubt that he is designing missles
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He says he is working for the government.
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He says he is working for the government.
Actually he said he is working for a company
Are you working for a company or the government?
Company.
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He's working for the conspiracy, we should dispose of him
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Devry does offer engineering programs, and any yahoo can get a job working with missles
I guess they don't teach you how to spell "missiles" until the fifth grade.
They offer engineering technology degrees which 99.9% of companies will not accept as fitting the requirement for an engineering job.
I would say that 100% of companies will not accept a ET degree as fitting the requirement for an engineering job.
Who said he designed them I have only seen that he said he was working for a missle company. And based upon the knowledge he has shown here I highly doubt that he is designing missles
I have been both a production and a design engineer. When I was working for the "really big gun" company, I spent most of my time as a design engineer. As for what I am doing now, I am a production engineer working with payloads for a space missile system.
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I have been both a production and a design engineer. When I was working for the "really big gun" company, I spent most of my time as a design engineer. As for what I am doing now, I am a production engineer working with payloads for a space missile system.
In other words, he is working for the conspiracy.
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I have been both a production and a design engineer. When I was working for the "really big gun" company, I spent most of my time as a design engineer. As for what I am doing now, I am a production engineer working with payloads for a space missile system.
In other words, he is working for the conspiracy.
BURN HIM!!!
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Devry does offer engineering programs, and any yahoo can get a job working with missles
I guess they don't teach you how to spell "missiles" until the fifth grade.
They offer engineering technology degrees which 99.9% of companies will not accept as fitting the requirement for an engineering job.
I would say that 100% of companies will not accept a ET degree as fitting the requirement for an engineering job.
Who said he designed them I have only seen that he said he was working for a missle company. And based upon the knowledge he has shown here I highly doubt that he is designing missles
I have been both a production and a design engineer. When I was working for the "really big gun" company, I spent most of my time as a design engineer. As for what I am doing now, I am a production engineer working with payloads for a space missile system.
So you build mock rockets that are "shot into space" hard job. ::)
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"Mock rockets"? What the hell is that?
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"Mock rockets"? What the hell is that?
mock would be a description of the kind of rockets. We passed third grade I'm hoping. Mock also means fake. So perhaps it means fake rockets. idk. I'm just a dumb amerikkkan, I don't knows me english.
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So you build mock rockets that are "shot into space" hard job. ::)
Ahh, I see where you were going with this.
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;D
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Gotta love Raist when he starts trolling other mods. :)
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idk. I'm just a dumb amerikkkan, I don't knows me english.
I want to sig that so bad but I already like my sogs : :-[
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idk. I'm just a dumb amerikkkan, I don't knows me english.
I want to sig that so bad but I already like my sogs : :-[
You should go for one that isn't insulting you.
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idk. I'm just a dumb amerikkkan, I don't knows me english.
I want to sig that so bad but I already like my sogs : :-[
MEME UPDATE: "sig" is now "sog".
You may return to your designated trolling.
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idk. I'm just a dumb amerikkkan, I don't knows me english.
I want to sig that so bad but I already like my sogs : :-[
You should go for one that isn't insulting you.
I don't really give a shit whether they insult me or not. I go for relevance.
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idk. I'm just a dumb amerikkkan, I don't knows me english.
I want to sig that so bad but I already like my sogs : :-[
You should go for one that isn't insulting you.
I don't really give a shit whether they insult me or not. I go for relevance.
It is very relevant when people insult you. (because it's true.
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Hell I'll sig it then, mine is so old
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Since your User name is TheEngineer, I assume you have some knowledge of engineering?
I would like to think so.
Well, in FE (or RE) will an object "fall" the same rate in a vacuum?
Yes.
If it does, then I can prove that there is an attraction between Masses (which we call gravity)
I would love for you to prove that to me.
according to the theory that Masses exert a force of attraction between them
There is your problem.
Ok, TheEngineer. Let me state again:
As you agree objects in a vacuum fall at the same rate. So, if the same object is dropped repeatedly, will it always fall at the same rate unless there is something that can influence it?
If this object is electrically neutral, non magnetic (and is shielded from these influences) and varies it fall rate in direct proportion with the Mass around it, then is it logical to conclude that it is the Mass that is effecting the fall rate of the object?
Well, this is how the Gravimeters work. They pull a Retro reflector up to the top of a tube that has had the air extracted from it (a near vacuum), then drop it and measure the rate of fall. These are so accurate that they can measure variations in the fall rate around one thousandth of one billionth in fall rate.
They have placed large masses above these machines and measured their effects. Mass really does have an influence on the fall rate of the retro reflector. Therefore there is something that Mass produces that is not of the other forces (Not Electromagnetic, not Strong Nuclear and Not Weak Nuclear forces). The only other force is Gravity, which is the attractive force between two masses. As this is exactly what is occurring, then the only conclusion is that gravity really does exist and at the strengths it is claimed to be.
If gravity exists, and it exists at the strength that it is claimed to exist with, then the Earth can not be flat, but must be Round because if it was flat, then the attractive force between the mass of the particles of the Earth would cause it to collapse into a ball. SO even if it did start out flat, it must now be round.
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If gravity exists
As a force, it does not. As a construct of one's mind, it does, but that is the only place it exists.
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If gravity exists
As a force, it does not. As a construct of one's mind, it does, but that is the only place it exists.
so we imagine different rates of acceleration?
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If gravity exists
As a force, it does not. As a construct of one's mind, it does, but that is the only place it exists.
so we imagine different rates of acceleration?
Well I hope you are capable of representing multiple derivatives of velocities. If not, then no.
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If gravity exists
As a force, it does not. As a construct of one's mind, it does, but that is the only place it exists.
I've been away, and I return to find TheEngineer once more ruling gravitation like a tyrant. This has truly brightened my day.
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If gravity exists
As a force, it does not. As a construct of one's mind, it does, but that is the only place it exists.
so we imagine different rates of acceleration?
Uh, sure.
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If gravity exists
As a force, it does not. As a construct of one's mind, it does, but that is the only place it exists.
so we imagine different rates of acceleration?
Uh, sure.
The I imagine a zero acceleration of the FE. So what keeps me on the ground now?
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That massive pile of shit in your head that you call brains.
I could not resist.
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The I imagine a zero acceleration of the FE. So what keeps me on the ground now?
Man, what are you smoking? Somebody call Narc's 'Best of RE Science' thread.
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If gravity exists
As a force, it does not. As a construct of one's mind, it does, but that is the only place it exists.
so we imagine different rates of acceleration?
Uh, sure.
The I imagine a zero acceleration of the FE. So what keeps me on the ground now?
Your lack of ability to control actual acceleration with your mind.
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One thing I don't get with you FET believers is that you all say that we RET believers can't prove our theories, so you say that the round Earth isn't real, but neither can you prove your points.
So does this mean that the Earth is neither flat nor round, for all we know then it coulf be Cubed.