The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: CrimsonKing on June 14, 2006, 10:14:20 PM
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I was reading in the FAQ that the collective governments do not shut this website down, because it would show they are hiding something.
doesnt this website in itself show that the government is trying to hide something, and therefore making this whole point invalid.
It seems to me that if the collective governments would want shut this website down, there would be more danger in allowing this website to operate and show allowing people to see the blasphemous views contained herein. On a similar note, wouldnt the governments hire people to destroy the theory in every way possible, in order to make the thoery seem totally implausible?
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Not really. I've said it dozens of times, but the government has more to gain by allowing this website to go. You arrived here, like everyone else, and immediately thought "What a bunch of loons; the earth is round, and only total losers would think otherwise."
If I were a government agent, I'd say mission accomplished.
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actually, you make a crass generalization, i said, hmm that is an interesting viewpoint, then i read your FAQ, and saw what your failed and broken logic, and then thought, as you so aptly put it, "
What a bunch of loons; the earth is round, and only total losers would think otherwise."
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And so again, I ask you, why would the government shut down a website that makes the common man think "What a bunch of loons, the earth is totally round!!"?
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because no matter how dumb and illogical a statement is, certain people will identify with it, which would be a danger, because if you study the fall of many major governments, i.e. Czarist Russian, a small group that believed a radical and impossible idea went on to take down the government
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Surely you can't be suggesting that a bunch of people posting on the internet are going to take down a world conspiracy.
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im suggesting that any organized, or quasi-organized group of "elightened" people could take down a conspiracy like this, if there truly were one
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I have an idea. There are 1800 people subscribed to this forum. And they are scattered all over the world. It would be nearly impossible for the collective governments to root us all out and kill us. Everyone here could throw in $20 to fund a mission. That would give the mission core $36,000 to make an expedition to the edge. Thereby, once and for all, putting the argument to rest.
I'd be willing to throw in $20
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Unfortunately the vast majority of those members are inactive. I'd put the number of active members in the 30-50 range, and I'm not sure $1000 is enough to fund an expedition to the ice wall.
As for the expedition itself, I'm not going. I don't want to be killed by the government agents guarding the ice wall, much less have a run-in with the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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It was just an idea in the name of science.
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killed by the government agents? do you know how impossible that is? in order to surround the entire ice wall would cost unimagenable sums
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They don't have to actually have a person standing at every point along the ice wall, just sophisticated enough monitoring equipment so as to give them sufficient warning of anyone approaching the ice wall to dispatch the appropriate assassin squad / FSM as the situation mandates.
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killed by the government agents? do you know how impossible that is? in order to surround the entire ice wall would cost unimagenable sums
I think our governments have no difficulty in imagining sums that we find unimaginable.
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I was reading in the FAQ that the collective governments do not shut this website down, because it would show they are hiding something.
doesnt this website in itself show that the government is trying to hide something, and therefore making this whole point invalid.
It seems to me that if the collective governments would want shut this website down, there would be more danger in allowing this website to operate and show allowing people to see the blasphemous views contained herein. On a similar note, wouldnt the governments hire people to destroy the theory in every way possible, in order to make the thoery seem totally implausible?
Completely Irrelivent, but i saw heroin and thought you mgiht like to know some facts...
Heroin was invented by the same person who invented asprin. It was created to help ease people who were addicted to morphine off of it, because it was believed heroin was not addictive.
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i realize they wouldnt have people standing there im simply saying monatering something of that size and in those conditions would be a fantastic feet
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i realize they wouldnt have people standing there im simply saying monatering something of that size and in those conditions would be a fantastic feet
Recruiter: Congratulations son! You have joined the Army to pay for college. First you will be shipped off to boot camp for a few weeks of intense hell!
Recruit: OK, then will I get my money for college?
Recruiter: Well, not quite yet. You see we have this little conspiracy to keep under wraps. The earth is really flat. But you can't tell anyone that. It's classified.
Recruit: So, so will I be shipped off somewhere after boot camp?
Recruiter: Ummmm, yeah... You know Antarctica? Yeah... well it doesn't exist. The earth is really flat and what most people consider Antarctia is really an ice wall. You will be stationed there to make sure no one ventures too far. You shoot anyone who would get too close to the edge and fall off themselves.
Recruit: Whhaaaatttt?
Recruiter: Yeah, you can let people on the wall because we want them to think it's Antarctia but we don't want them to get close enough to the edge to see over. They could fall off and kill themselves.
Recruit: So you want me to kill someone so they don't kill themselves?
Recruiter: Exactly. And it's not really wrong to do that because as you know, it's illegal to commit suicide.
You will be stationed in white tents and you will be wearing white BDU's and parkas. We don't want you to be seen by the National Geographic guys that are there. That could be a bad press wrap. But if you have to shoot one of those guys make sure he falls down and ice crevass so it looks like an accident.
Recruit: You guys are all whacked! I think I am going to join the Navy instead.
Recruiter: Well, for the first two years in the Navy you will probably have the same mission. You will tell your parents that you are going to the Middle East to fight some noble cause. We will generate "news footage" from training videos. And your parents will be proud. But in reality you will be stationed on a destroyer class vessel off the coast of the ice wall waiting for a wayward ship to have an "accident" around Cape Horn or the Straights of Megellan.
Recruit: What about the guys who die in Iraq?
Recruiter: They aren't actually in Irag. With a little bit of camera work and makeup you can make someone who died of frost bite look like they died of chemical burns. Once in a while someone is in a lot of pain and they have to be put down. Those guys are the ones who were in a "road side attack". There is a whole host of other problems such as mutiny that have to be dealt with. Those folks death are also blamed on whatever enemy we are fighting at the moment.
Recruit: What about the pictures I have seen of guys and tanks and stuff in the desert in the Middle East?
Recruiter: As I said before, they are not actually in the middle east. The are on the wall. There are some slight variations to the chemicals on the film and anything that is white will turn out on film as tan. So tan camo, tan sand, tan tanks, it's all white. The sand in the pictures, it is actually snow.
Recruit: This is fucking insane. I don't want to be anypart of this now.
Recruiter: It's too late really. You have already signed the papers. Plus I have already told you about the wall. If you were to leave now without fulfilling your obligations, well.... let's just say you better look both ways before you cross the street.
Recruit: Shit!!!
You can imagine the rest of the conversation.
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I hardly think they would use anything but the most hardened vets for so sensitive an assignment.
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Notwithstanding, they wouldn't even have to know about it. They could just be told to patrol this area because of reports of grand conspiracy or other plots involving "antarctica" as they are told. They wouldn't even have to be on the icewall persay, simply posted on vessels around it. Around the icewall could exist no fly zones and other restrictions for civilians.
Each person on this mission or team would be subject to background tests and made sure that no person has had contact with eachother prior to the military. Teams would not be out at sea for more than a year total and get consistantly recycled. The men are told that the conspiracy is sensitive information and are paid well to keep their mouth shut.
Does that work for you?
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Conversation continued;
Recruit: Oh, my god, this is all so whacked. I have one question though.
Recruiter: Go ahead and shoot.
Recruit: Why don't you use the seasoned vetrans who you know you can trust for this high of priority mission?
Recruiter: That's a good question. There are really two parts to it. The first part is like this. Young minds like your own are already conditioned with the brainwashing of a round earth. But you are still young enough to accept the fact that the earth is not round. Aside from that when we hit you with this right up front everything else from here on out is pretty normal. Then you quickly learn the importance of classified information. Because you see what happens to other soldiers who do not follow the rules.
Secondly, we have tried the vetran route. Vetrans have already seen a lot of combat and they are tired of killing. They get a strange kind of kick out of watching people fall off the edge and sucked out into the vacuum of space. But this also leads to people seeing the edge and returning to safety. While we were using vetrans in that role there were several who got away. You can find them out and about starting organizations. You can find websites like www.theflatearthsociety.org For the most part no one else takes them seriously but it is a pain in our ass.
So as you can see vetrans are not the best choice for us. Does that answer your question?
Recruit: Yeah, this is all so mind boggling.
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Why on Earth (round or flat) would a lowly recruiter know about a world conspiracy, let alone telling it to a fresh recruit?
Come on now.
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Recruit: Oh, I do have one more question. How do you know so much about this supposed "wall"? And why are you telling me?
Recruiter: The reason I know so much about the wall is that I did my time there just like everyone else. Everyone does two years on the wall. Then it's up to you to decide if you want to make a career out of the military. But everyone, and I do mean everyone, does two years there. Since everyone does their time there for two years that's how we have the man power it takes to patrol the wall.
The second question. Well, you've already signed the papers. And we have found that the sooner we get you recruits begining to condition yourself to the fact that the earth is flat as well as mentally getting prepared for the cold weather you will be experiencing for the next two years, the better off you will be. Once you have signed the papers, you are ours. There is only one way out now, and that's in a box. Once, you have done your two years there you will see the importance, to not only yourself, but your family and friends, of keeping your mouth shut about this. Hell, we shoot people for trying to go to far across the wall. Do you think we would have objections to killing you and your family if you ran your mouth too much?
Recruit: Don't worry about me. I won't say a damn thing.
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I like this little game. Answering stupid questions with third party conversations. Everyone should try it.
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hahaha its very clever but still seems like way more than trouble than not making the lie in the first place and secondly if every recuit in the world new about it there would be infomation seeping out, one of them would f up
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This issue was touched on in the conversation. If someone f'd up then he would be eliminated along with everyone he told. If the government has no problem eliminating people who go near the edge they would have no problem eliminating people who knew about the edge.
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Basically.
If this conspiracy were to work, the information would have to be blind. For instance, if I told a man to stand next to a green mustang. I'd get someone else to pay him and he'd be like "Oh cool, I'm standing next to a green mustang and getting paid." Little does he know that someone else watches and is awaiting the signal to proceed. That signal just so happens to be, you guessed it, a man standing next to a green mustang.
This is just a very simple example of something that could be much more complicated in practice. The conspirators could actually be making the armies or scientists do many things without realizing that they are actually protecting the conspiracy from falling apart.
In any case, the conspiracy does not matter. It plays an inconsequential part in the theory itself and debating it can only end in failure due to the possibilities a worldwide conspiracy can propose.
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Just for the record, I believe the world to be flat. But it's kind of fun to take the other position just for a different point of view. It's something I learned in high school debate class. You were given a topic to argue and then told which side you were to argue.
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I'd find the Flat Earth theory much more agreeable with me if it weren't for the conspiracy.
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well i personally beleive that earth is round but your right i think it would be more accepted if not for the conspiracy and even if some of the FE's didnt just say conspiracy at every question the have difficulty with
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Basically, i agree, the FE theory would be much more agreeable without the conspiracy idea.
The only problem with not having a conspiracy theory is evidence like photo's and all countries space programs would be allowed into the equation, therefore, the conspiracy needs to be there or the whole theory is instantly debunked
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either way they are screwed.....
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yes, which is why i argue the RE side of things