The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: Potemkin on June 14, 2006, 06:50:27 PM
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So in all seriouness if the world is flat why do the toliets in like Austriaila flow the opposite way?
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They don't. That's a myth.
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do they really?
then why do people in england drive on the onther side of the road? wow the mysteries of the world....
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Because the earth rotates, a fluid that flows along the earth's surface feels a "Coriolis" acceleration perpendicular to its velocity. In the northern hemisphere, Coriolis acceleration makes low pressure storm systems spin counterclockwise; however, in the southern hemisphere, they spin clockwise because the direction of the Coriolis acceleration is reversed.
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but that wouldnt work if the world was flat
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Well I'm not Pagan and Penguin is a dirty liar.
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No he's not, the direction that toilets drain has virtually nothing whatsoever to do with the Coriolis effect.
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http://www.snopes.com/science/coriolis.htm
http://www.ems.psu.edu/~fraser/Bad/BadCoriolis.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_force
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=516
http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/coriolis.html
Read up. I can get more links if you want. There are hundreds.
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now im not completely sure i understand those links but thanks for them
anyhow they bring up a good point, the fact that launching things like cannon balls move slightly off to one side, how would this happen if the world wasnt spinning?
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Do these websites also say that the Earth is round? If so, why even use them for your argument?
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Do these websites also say that the Earth is round? If so, why even use them for your argument?
Because the people I'm arguing with believe the earth is round.
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anyhow they bring up a good point, the fact that launching things like cannon balls move slightly off to one side, how would this happen if the world wasnt spinning?
Well first off, I believe the the flat earth model says the earth is spinning. And second, I'm fairly sure a missile only moves off to one side slightly if you shoot it a very long ways. There is no way you or I could launch anything far enough to observe this.
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how do you know?
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how do you know?
Know what?
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ahhh im sorry i didnt realize the model said it is spinning, im still rather new, but any how we could launch something far enough to observe that
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well you are still dirty. :P
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We could launch something far enough to observe that.
Yes, but the only people who have the technology needed for firing long range missiles are the government.
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I'm sure geurilla groups can manage that, without the aid of any government. Or insurgent groups.
There -are- ways to create pseudo-missiles with household products, that any average Joe can make (but, uh, make sure you're a good ways away from civilization when launching... those pesky cars and their gasoline tanks... *chuckles)
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I was thinking very longe range, as in a few hundred miles, but I could be wrong.
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well im not an expert but the website pengiun provided used a cannon ball as an example
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Who's to say? I haven't tried, but I'm still sure it's possible. It's not really hard to write programs like that; I'd have to say that some of the planet's best programmers are unaffiliated with their governments.
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yes, as many of them are hackers. and it is indeed possible to make a homemade, far reaching projectile, cannons are not hard tomake, neither are potato guns, or Spartans for that matter
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Spartans?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIM-49A_Spartan
Perhaps?
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basically, its a homemade explosive, think a rocket launcher made from everyday stuff, not common, but existant. And Penguin, you madea referense to the FAQ to answer the question about the Corliois effect, where it remains an unanswered question... it seems that there is a blaring hole in your logic
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hahaha wow sounds like fun to make and there are lots of holes in there logic but they are good guys so its not like it matters
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crimsonking...
your argument is so great that no one can respond.
awesome!
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yea its kinda pathetic, i consider myself to be a RE'er as of now, but i want to learn about the FE theory, to make a descision, and they cannot account for something that large and glaringly fake in their philosophy
Oh and by the way, i just got ahold of my friend in New Zealand, and the toilets do, in fact, swirl the other way, no myth there, and he is not part of any "conspiracy" so dont even try
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hahahaha i know this is kinda off topic but any one else luv that scene from the simpsons where they ahve the machine that makes the water go the other way in the US embassy
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Yea, that episode was halarious,
and I still have not recieved a response the the blaring inconsistancy, the RE have an explination, so I am inclined to believe them in this situation
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you wont get an answer and when you do it will either be horribly elaborate or envovling a conspricacy
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in other words... fake
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For the last FREAKIN' time. The coriolis effect cannot be seen in the way your sink/tub drains. The force is SO small it only affects large scale things. The way the water drains in your sink/tub is determined by the spin of the water imparted by the faucet, the design of the sink/tub, the material used, and the location of the drain.
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yes but the force is there, so as a general ideal, this force would be in effect, which would indeed influence it, although it is true that materials and other factors are also important
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yes but the force is there, so as a general ideal, this force would be in effect, which would indeed influence it, although it is true that materials and other factors are also important
They are not just important, they are overwhelming. The coriolis force is EXTREMELY small. In my bathroom, the water drains clockwise (opposite the coriolis force) due to the design of my sink. The coriolis force is overpowered by the other factors (which are ten thousand times more powerful than the coriolis force) and doesn't change the direction of flow. It can't - IT IS A VERY SMALL FORCE!
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it does affect a free hanging pendulum though.
so why does a free hanging pendulum exhibit the corealis effect?
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Toilets!!!!! I love toilets! I'm in one all day long. And guess what? I have seen three Chinese people today - so they do exist! So up your stupid theory with a vengance!
Toilets are not part of a conspiracy. The earth is not flat. You people could argue black was white, shit was monkies, and the that China does not exist.
Honestly people, you're all nuts and I'm actually surprised that people in this day and age where we have masterred mustard can believe the earth is flat! Thank you! You have brightened up my life in the toilet!
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I think China does exist because i'm Chinese and also i've been to China 10 times.
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Toilets!!!!! I love toilets! I'm in one all day long.
Your life must suck.
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I enjoy my time in the toliet, good place to catch up on some reading. I can turn a quick crap into an epic voyage with only a good mag.
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Again, as it was stated earlier in the thread (I believe), why would the Coriolis Effect not affect a Flat Earth? The flat earth is believed to rotate, just like the round earth.
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if a flat earth rotated, then there would be no difference above and below the equator from the corealis effect, but there is in real life.... it would require the part nearest the centre to go in a totally different direction than that near the ice wall.
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Toilets and sinks do flow different directions above and below the equator. However, there is a rational explanation for it. You see there are two sub-models of every sink or toilet ever produced. One model is sold north of the equator and one is sold south of the equator. The toilets are easy. The way the little holes are placed around the rim where water comes out are simply pointed in different directions for each model.
Drains in sinks are slightly different. The lip of the drain and a portion of the throat of the drain have tiny micro grooves to help aid the spin of water. Of course some drains have grates on them. The holes in the grates are ever so slightly angled. Both the micro grooves as well as the drain grates are each angled for sale above or below the equator. Occasionally you will see a drain spinning backwards and that is due to shipping errors.
The micro grooves are very small and they only need to get the water started spinning in a specific direction. Centrifugal force does the rest.
It's all part of the conspiracy.