The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth Q&A => Topic started by: lomfs24 on June 13, 2006, 10:41:27 PM
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In the FAQ it states that there are no satellites. That satellite signals come from radio towers? Is this correct?
I receive satellite signals on a daily basis. For instance, most of the day today I listened to XM Radio and I am currently watching a little DirectTV. I understand how those could be coming from a source other than a satellite. Except that my dish is pointed at no land based tower. And my XM Radio works anywhere. A feat that towers, until recently, could not do. But I will let those slide.
I also use low orbit, non-geosync (sp?) satellites. If their signal is coming from a tower, why is it on for a few minutes and then off 45-55 minutes and then back on? It will do several cycles of that and then will be gone for nearly 12 hours.
And, why, when it's available for me to use, can I physically see it overhead? I can litterally see it with the naked eye and when I use binoculars I can see it as clearly as the pictures presented by NASA. Those satellites, too, seem to travel in an arch through my field of vision.
Also, what are the little silver space craft that I can clearly see in the night sky? They will take the same path predictably every 45-55 minutes depending on which one I am tracking at the time.
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I would imagine that the FE'ers would say something along the lines of,
'teh towers turn off and on 2 make u think that teh satelites are goin round teh earth'
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I also use low orbit, non-geosync (sp?) satellites. If their signal is coming from a tower, why is it on for a few minutes and then off 45-55 minutes and then back on?
The government controls the towers obviously. They're not stupid enough to leave the towers transmitting all the time.
And, why, when it's available for me to use, can I physically see it overhead? I can litterally see it with the naked eye and when I use binoculars I can see it as clearly as the pictures presented by NASA. Those satellites, too, seem to travel in an arch through my field of vision.
You can see a small object that resembles a satellite. You have no proof that the signal comes from this object.
Also, what are the little silver space craft that I can clearly see in the night sky? They will take the same path predictably every 45-55 minutes depending on which one I am tracking at the time.
High flying government spy planes, presumably.
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OK Cheesejoff, good try. Here are the problems with your answer. I have evidence that that people from the other side of the globe have used the signal source while I was not able to. This would indicate that the signal source is moving rather than a stationary signals that is being turned on and off.
The point of your second answer was completely missed. The point is not whether or not the signal comes from the space craft, but that there is a space craft orbiting earth.
And third, the space craft I can see are not planes, they are not shaped in a way that could fly.
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And third, the space craft I can see are not planes, they are not shaped in a way that could fly.
I do not believe you can see your so-called "satellites" in sufficient detail to make those claims.
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OK Cheesejoff, good try. Here are the problems with your answer. I have evidence that that people from the other side of the globe have used the signal source while I was not able to. This would indicate that the signal source is moving rather than a stationary signals that is being turned on and off.
How do you know it's the same source you received? There could be multiple towers around different parts of the Earth, switching on and off when appropriate.
The point of your second answer was completely missed. The point is not whether or not the signal comes from the space craft, but that there is a space craft orbiting earth.
And third, the space craft I can see are not planes, they are not shaped in a way that could fly.
Perhaps they are prototype planes then that resemble satelittes. They would fly over the tower that is transmitting to make it look as if the signal originates from the plane.
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And my XM Radio works anywhere. A feat that towers, until recently, could not do.
And how long has XM been around? Exactly. Coincidence?
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OK Cheesejoff, good try. Here are the problems with your answer. I have evidence that that people from the other side of the globe have used the signal source while I was not able to. This would indicate that the signal source is moving rather than a stationary signals that is being turned on and off.
How do you know it's the same source you received? There could be multiple towers around different parts of the Earth, switching on and off when appropriate.
The point of your second answer was completely missed. The point is not whether or not the signal comes from the space craft, but that there is a space craft orbiting earth.
And third, the space craft I can see are not planes, they are not shaped in a way that could fly.
Perhaps they are prototype planes then that resemble satelittes. They would fly over the tower that is transmitting to make it look as if the signal originates from the plane.
How do I know it's the same source. Because of scrambled digital finger prints that I only know the code to. I wouldn't expect you to understand such advanced technology but it's there. Secondly because they are privately held satellites that the government has no control over what so ever. And they are not prototype airplanes because I was firsthand in developing and launching the birds. Your arguments are laughable but completely serious to you.
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And my XM Radio works anywhere. A feat that towers, until recently, could not do.
And how long has XM been around? Exactly. Coincidence?
I also know the location and function of every radio tower in 500 miles. No towers are built that I am not aware of.
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In the FAQ it states that there are no satellites. That satellite signals come from radio towers? Is this correct?
I receive satellite signals on a daily basis. For instance, most of the day today I listened to XM Radio and I am currently watching a little DirectTV. I understand how those could be coming from a source other than a satellite. Except that my dish is pointed at no land based tower. And my XM Radio works anywhere. A feat that towers, until recently, could not do. But I will let those slide.
I also use low orbit, non-geosync (sp?) satellites. If their signal is coming from a tower, why is it on for a few minutes and then off 45-55 minutes and then back on? It will do several cycles of that and then will be gone for nearly 12 hours.
And, why, when it's available for me to use, can I physically see it overhead? I can litterally see it with the naked eye and when I use binoculars I can see it as clearly as the pictures presented by NASA. Those satellites, too, seem to travel in an arch through my field of vision.
Also, what are the little silver space craft that I can clearly see in the night sky? They will take the same path predictably every 45-55 minutes depending on which one I am tracking at the time.
me being a big fan of FTA and satellites in general im wondering exactly how you use them or if you have a uplink to the if so very cool. and what birds are we talking about? for non sat people bird=sat
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The easiest bird to spot is the International Space Station. It can be seen, if the light is right like early morning, in daylight with the naked eye. I have carried on voice communications with Astronauts aboard the space station. I have also carried on voice comms with people half way around the globe via the space station. I have also done digital communications to and through the space station. There are a whole host of other ham radio birds that I use quite regularily. I also use a sat phone quite often. The other birds I use I am not free to talk about.
There are other satellites that you can see and I am not sure what they are used for. Being low orbit and visible at night I would assume they are used for either GPS or sats used for photographs.
With a quick google search you can also locate iridium flares that are quite fun to track.
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The easiest bird to spot is the International Space Station. It can be seen, if the light is right like early morning, in daylight with the naked eye. I have carried on voice communications with Astronauts aboard the space station. I have also carried on voice comms with people half way around the globe via the space station. I have also done digital communications to and through the space station. There are a whole host of other ham radio birds that I use quite regularily. I also use a sat phone quite often. The other birds I use I am not free to talk about.
There are other satellites that you can see and I am not sure what they are used for. Being low orbit and visible at night I would assume they are used for either GPS or sats used for photographs.
With a quick google search you can also locate iridium flares that are quite fun to track.
sorry i know this is off the topic of proving wrong the crazy people. that sound like some very cool stuff you get to use. how difficult is the testing to receive your ham operating license? if i recall correctly the technician class license allows you to use satellites well some any way.
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The testing for ham radio is not too hard. There is a book published by the ARRL called "Now You Are Talking" Look for a local ham club to arrange testing. The back of the book has a pool of all the current questions so you don't have any surprises. It's pretty simple. I think I studied off and on for about 2 days. You don't have to know morse code anymore to get a tech license. You can use all the birds with a tech license. There may be a couple birds that you can't use because they are in a different freq. but all the common birds are there for you to use. It's kind of fun talking to the astronauts on the space station.
You should look into it. It's kind of a fun hobby.
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im defiantly going to do that. thanks for the info
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I also use low orbit, non-geosync (sp?) satellites. If their signal is coming from a tower, why is it on for a few minutes and then off 45-55 minutes and then back on?
The government controls the towers obviously. They're not stupid enough to leave the towers transmitting all the time.
And, why, when it's available for me to use, can I physically see it overhead? I can litterally see it with the naked eye and when I use binoculars I can see it as clearly as the pictures presented by NASA. Those satellites, too, seem to travel in an arch through my field of vision.
You can see a small object that resembles a satellite. You have no proof that the signal comes from this object.
Also, what are the little silver space craft that I can clearly see in the night sky? They will take the same path predictably every 45-55 minutes depending on which one I am tracking at the time.
High flying government spy planes, presumably.
If the government had high flying spyplanes, which are constantly in flight, with a seemingly endless supply of fuel, and not large enough to hold food for a pilot for the great lengths of time it is visible, and is then obviosly unmanned. Why wouldn't they just put a sattelite up there if they allready have the technology? It would be esier then building giant radio towers.
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so many holes to poke, so little time
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There are other satellites that you can see and I am not sure what they are used for. Being low orbit and visible at night I would assume they are used for either GPS or sats used for photographs.
For someone who claims to be the world's foremost authority on satellites, I find it hard to believe you could mistake low-orbiting satellites for the ones used in GPS, which common knowledge tells us orbit at an altitude in excess of 20,000 miles.
You'll find that lying about your own experience and credentials does not help your argument.
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No where do I claim that I am the worlds foremost knowledgable person about satellites. In fact, I thought I was quite clear on the fact that I didn't know what they were used for. Please try to follow along.
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How do I know it's the same source. Because of scrambled digital finger prints that I only know the code to ... And they are not prototype airplanes because I was firsthand in developing and launching the birds.
I have carried on voice communications with Astronauts aboard the space station ... The other birds I use I am not free to talk about.
Your intention was obviously to claim some superior knowledge of the workings of satellites, and yet you were confused about the orbital altitude of one of the most well-known satellite networks in the world. Again, lying gets you nowhere.
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Whatever dude. GPS birds are not something that I use except for positioning with my GPS unit. I have not bothered to learn much about them because they don't concern me. I have not lied anywhere.
But hey believe what you want, this seems to be the forum for it.